Yes, awful overall. Also, I don’t know where you got the information that the new crankset uses the Protech axle. It says right on the product page that the SR Wireless cranks use the Ultra-Torque axle.
Campy and SRAM are so far behind Shimano in regards to electronics, just look at those monter mechs and batteries. Also they havent paid attention how the other brands have increased size of paddles due to consumer feedback. Good luck shifting correct gear in thick gloves, cold mornings or in a hetic race
I wanted one more top grade rim brake bike, so I ordered a V3Rs in October, 2021, frame size 58s. After 15 months, Colnago had not built the frame. My LBS found a C64 rim brake frame in Colnago’s US warehouse, size 60s. We had already decided that an EPS group set would be better than a mechanical Record or Super Record for a bike that would have internal cable routing. So 11 years after Campagnolo introduced EPS, I have version 4 of EPS on my C64. I have three other rim brake bikes with Record 12-speed. I’ve been riding the new bike since February 3, and have about 3000km so far. I have done one charge at just over 1000km. With close to 2000km since that charge, I have 40% battery charge remaining. The group set works, of course. But I don’t think it is any better than a mechanical gruppo for my riding. Would I buy the new disc brake only SR Wireless? I think you can guess the answer.
@@colincampbell8311 at the start of the lockdown I ordered a C64 frame and separately the Bora WTO and SR EPS v4 and 18 months no frame, nothing. So I cancelled the frame and reluctantly bought a SWorks Aethos and stuck on the Italian parts… well, love it! The only bad part is… occasional clunky shifting and once in a few months the shifter locks and no shifts for like 1 minute but otherwise…. All ok. Love the brakes and levers. Works and gorgeous looks. But the new SR EPS… meh…
I’m a hardcore Campy fanboy. But this groupset genuinely feels like Campagnolo has just run out of ideas. Nothing on this makes sense. Why lose the thumb shifter on an electronic groupset? Why introduce yet another different BCD diameter and make your own 12sp groupset generations not cross compatible? Why introduce a 10tooth cog - that just seems like a desperate move to justify using the N3W freehub on the road groupsets. Why bother equipping each derailleur with its own battery when they’re not interchangeable? Why make this groupset so obscenely expensive? Honestly. I’m using Campag since the 9sp days even though I’m not that old. But this one I don’t get. No point in bothering with this. I hope they get their shit together next time round. Otherwise Campag will just become completely irrelevant.
The totally logical step for me would have been to introduce Super Record EPS 2x13, including a 1X option. Make Ekar cassettes and SR cross compatible and give people the option of a mullet setup if they want. Win Win for everyone. Of course no one needs 2x13. But then again who needs 2x12?
What has happened to tradition??? Give me an option for brakes. I guess now the only option is to go and buy as many rim brake sets as I can to keep my frames happy in the future. Thumb shifters???? Thanks for chasing away lifelong customers.
@@pennetierphilippe8529 by campy spirit, you mean outdated and deliberately unnecessary feature designs compared to the competitors more modern build designs?
@@slowcyclist4324 i mean : seems a litle " look a like sram ( battery ) and shimano ( shifting )... For me, no more " campy shifting style " is a big loss...
“Shifting through the cassette in one hit can be a bit crunchy, but it’s good enough.” Not when the groupset costs more than my entire carbon bike with Sram axs Xplr on, it isn’t! For that money it should be flawless!
By "crunchy" they probably mean that it's a little noisier than Shimano, but it's still fast and precise. The noise has always been intended, because Campy wants you to hear that the shift has gone well.
@@thedownunderverse exactly. DA Di2 is now easily the best looking of the three. Because they sensibly decided to keep the batteries off of the derailleurs. They’re the new Campy.
Very confusing. I’ve been riding Campy since 2003. Have disc super record EPS now. This seems like a downgrade in almost all respects. Bulkier derailleurs. Ditched the quintessential Campy thumb shifting. Aesthetically IMO it’s just less attractive looking. Crazy price points and launches without a power meter which should be standard at this level. And then funky cassette cog combos. A new app (should just fix the old app and make it better). And apparently the total system is heavier. So what is the point here. This seems very disappointing
@@dodoslovensko maybe you don't known that there is a range of nuance between ugly and nice looking where a lot of modern derailleur fit in and maybe you don't known about Ingrid derailleur but maybe you prefer to insult a random person on the internet because you just spend 5k on an ugly groupset with two potatoes hanging of it and you need to justify to yourself
Cause the thumb shifter was awful. Almost unusable in the 2 main riding positions (in the drops and aero hoods) since it required a thumb/wrist contortion to use.
I’m a huge fan of italian’s bikes but even i found beautiful the design over Shimano or Sram but the thumb shifter makes me stop to buy a campy system, i’m going to buy the new De Rosa Merak with Campy Rims, saddle Selle Italia, but sincerily i was consider tu put on this bike Sram Red AXS simply cause i don’t find practicaly the thumb shifter, now with this new group practicaly the bike it’s gonna be all Italian except for the pedals (look) and the handlebar (FSA)
@@galenkehler Different hands probably. In my case the thumb shifter felt more comfortable and easier to use than Shimano. 3 years with previous get EPS. But I do not like the new groupset. It may as well burry Campag.
I ask this of di2 as well: why have two buttons on the left shifter at all? The front chainset is a binary choice, small or big, it’s an on off button, yet they engineer two separate inputs.
pretty simple: suppose you’re in the big ring but think you’re in the small ring and want higher gearing. you hit your binary button, and you’re really screwed (suppose a sprint). however, hit the button for higher gearing, and it essentially just lets you know you’re already in the highest. and vice versa
I love Campagnolo and have used it exclusively for 25 years. I wouldn’t dream of having Shimano on a road bike. One of the main reasons I love it was always because it was beautiful but as the years go by it’s looking more and more like Shimano. Things went downhill as soon as they stopped making the 5 armed cranksets which were gorgeous. I‘ll stick with Campagnolo but SRAM is beginning to look tempting.
I can guarantee you SRAM wont disappoint. Happy owner of a Red eTap 11v. AXS is identical with software upgrades (and obvs 12v). Fantastic, beautiful (eTap more than AXS), ergonomic, intelligent system.
@@daniellafleur8079 I’m still happy with my 2011 11 speed Chorus. I have to admit to loving the fact that I rarely see another bike with Campagnolo when I’m out on a ride.
On a more important note: the Campagnolo Centaur groupset along with the Campagnolo Zonda and Shamal aluminium wheelsets are no longer mentioned on the official Campagnolo website. Which, in other words, means they have been silently discontinued. A total shame since I own both the Centaur groupset and the Zonda wheelset and they are amazing value for money.
Funny - at €5200 this is exactly twice my budget. In short: very nice but I can’t afford it. Plus not a fan of the shifter design. I guess for now the Ekar groupset remains top of the range
Haters don’t like this groupset but they didn’t try it. Shimano is recalling Di2 failures which caused thousands of accident. When EPS starts to shift it goes very fast. Braking is smooth and maybe the best. Shimano is cold compared to Campy. There is a soul in this groupset. It might not be perfect but it is a real pleasure on the road. Only improvement would be to make wireless connection faster because I have impression of a very small delay, maybe for next software update.
I have been using Chorus 10SP since 2007. If I would have to make a decision today I would go Chorus 12SP Disc. No reason to pay for new technology especially in loosing iconic thumb button. As for the wheels In 2018 I replaced my Eurus for Bora Ultra 35mm. Very pricy decision for poor increase performance. Today I would go Shamal Disc. Of course if you want to show of your wallet capacity you buy high end products, but expect to bee laugh at in terms of performance capacity. Show off as a price to pay........ In the bicycle words, you always be better off by keeping your money in the wallet versus loosing wait. As an example losing 10 pounds on the body versus spending 10,000$ more on the bike will be giving more performance, more pleasure and more proudness…. Have a great ride.
Why the hate? Remember guys, this is a pro level kit. The $$$ goes with the territory. Looks better than Sram IMO. Just got back from a lot of descending in Dolomites, riding outgoing Record disc 12. Those brakes are the best in the industry. Black carbon all around and chilled Prosecco, hell yeah!j
@@SecwetGwiwer I run SR EPS and the brakes will eventually lock if you nail the lever hard enough but the rotors are what's called "floating rotors" (there is a slight movement if you rock the bike forward with the brakes on) so they ease on to give you more progressive braking so you can't snatch at the brake and go into a skid. They are awesome! I've been riding my SR EPS disc for the last month and yesterday jumped on my Madone 9 Ultegra Di2 with rim brakes and the feel and power you get from SR brakes are another level!!! I used to have Ultegra disc brakes on a Cannondale that I sold a few years ago and compared to SR, again not even in the same ball park.
It looks like they removed the thumb shifter, then added two thumb shifters to each lever. The derailleurs look clunky, the chainset less premium than previous iterations and the discs look tacky and cheap. For a 5 grand groupset Campagnolo should have taken their design inspiration from the Corsa Record groupsets of the early 90's and come up with slick modern lightweight carbon versions of the same. Maybe then 5 Grand would begin to make sense.
Had they used a 13-speed cassette like on Ekar, at least then Campy would've had one marketable reason to buy this group... i.e., the first 13 speed road group of the big brands. However, I saw nothing other than the nostalgic Campy name that made me think anyone would choose this group set over Shimano or SRAM.
It looks like a rip off of a cheap Chinese groupset. Laughter is all this will provoke when seen on bikes in the wild. You’d have to be an actual full blown moron to buy this over SRAM. Or a least someone who’s fallen for the “wallet inspector” con several times over.
Small front chainrings are dumb. Don't get me wrong, they have its place. However, for efficiency and smooth shifting at high speeds (when you need tight gear ratios the most) they suck. No wonder pros hate small front chainrigs. This is another groupset for dentists.
I'm an amateur rider and my 52/36 is honestly the best. My bike shipped with 11s 11-28 and I replaced it for a 11-25 because the 52/36 is already a great all around set. I put a 50/34 pair on my commutor bike because the 44/34/24 was a pretty terrible combination. I can't even keep up with Cat4 riders and I ride these gears. I think the pros are riding what manufacturers WANT them to. Because otherwise why are the fastest riders in the world using compact gears and wide range cassettes? For decades, 11-23 or 11-25 was the standard along with 53/39 or even larger rings
Pros use big chainrings literally because they ride fast, simple as that. On my 53-11 I am getting spun out just under 70km/h, Pros pedal down a descent or sprint faster than that.
I have the Campy Super Record EPS and no wires are visible. And I love the thumb shifter, always have. There is thus no reason to move from EPS to wireless group. Quite the contrary.
Does the new electronic shifters from campag do the old school slam jump shift? Example. Largest rear cog / slam to small maybe going down a hill. Or a shimano one step shifting and no slam dump. Or going up a hill.
Going wireless - very okay. Derailleur batteries not being interchangeable between front and rear - very un-okay. No interchangeability with previous 12-gear gruppos - most un-okay.
Awesome! The grupo of choice for cycling puristas has caught up. That said, €5200 price tag will likely limit who buys it. Once wireless shifting makes it to Record (in 1-2 yrs?), the initial kinks may be gone, and price should be more affordable. Something to consider for my next bike.....
Unfortunately that RD is quite a lump and IMO the jury is still out on the vertical shifters’ usability of which was not really mentioned in this video. I’ll stick with my SR EPS thumb shifters. And if you’re looking for a lower tiered wireless then nothing can beat the Di2 in 105 or Ultegra.
I have been with Campy Chorus 10s for 16 yeears. New blike with Sram Red Electro 12s. Just great. I love the easyness of usage, battery transfer and facility for rechrarge. I am in Canada, getting service and parts on Campy was more and more difficult. Service on Sram is so easy,
I love Campy and did 45,000 km on a chorus 11 speed Groupo that was bullet proof, but 750 km battery life!!! WTF! Do they factor carrying spare batteries into the weight of the group set? For something so ridiculously overpriced, that from all accounts doesn’t even shift well, doesn’t really look that great in comparison to its peers, I assume it will only be the reality denying, cost is no object fanboys buying this overpriced piece of dog 💩
They should call it Campagnolo "Saw You Coming" Wireless instead, it is ugly, chunky, expensive and not as good. I rather spend the money on a Rolex perpetual oyster (other watches are available) or a very nice holiday.
I might be the only one who's disliked the ride feel and inefficient 10t cog. I really hate it how it feels on my SRAM . Useless gears combined with smallest chain rings ...not efficient.
A 10-es record titanium volt a legjobb, ott kezdődik, és ér véget minden váltót egybevéve is... Amúgy ez tényleg nem egy nagy durranás, én most 12-es chorust használok, (szeretem) Ország legjobb campa szerelője azt mondta, hogy nem lesz semmi baja, csak a rugók veszíthetik el rugalmasságukat idővel, de az könnyen orvosolható.
@@jkk916 I ride 48/32 with 11/32 in the back. The only moment I feel I could use 50 or 52 is when I'm bombing down steep descents @66+kph. In regular riding, so 30-35kph, 48 is perfect.
Dude, speak your mind truthfully. This copy of SRAM can not be what we have been waiting for. It looks 10 years dated and no bells or whistles. Super nonsense is what it is, while you are at it, perhaps you can justify the ridiculous price. Ok, I get it, it's a prototype 😂😂😂
yet another fawning view of a Campag product. If Shimano or Sram had problems that, because its from Campag are brushed off as foibles that you just have to put up with, we'd be seeing loads of clickbait videos pointing out how much they've lost the plot.
Just built a new bike with Chorus 12 disc. In the end I regret not going Ekar 1X like my gravel. I’m fortunately comfortable but still can’t see spending 5k on a groupset.
Dude $4,000 for a groupset, this is crazy. Yeah it's cool not to have any wires but it's not $4,000+ cool. If they kept making 10 speed Record with decreasing prices over time I'd keep buying it for decades.
This is nail to the coffin for once....thumb shifts is gone which is unacceptable. They don't need wireless,it will be best they could go semi wireless system keeping the main features thumb shifts alive. Now they are just losing more regular customers away to elsewhere.
It's sort of ridiculous that the derailleurs don't use the same battery (SRAM holds the patent for that), but it looks like Campy's front derailleur won't have the same clearance issues that AXS front derailleurs have. On gravel bikes, certain tire sizes will actually contact the SRAM battery.
Loving the new presenters on this channel. Both mtb and road content were missing a good set of charismatic personalities since Joe left and Luke seemed to be the only charismatic and photogenic staff member carrying the video content (even though the other guys still put out good articles on the website) Loving the new mtb content and the road stuff is completely bearable to watch now and I normally find road stuff suuuuper dull. Well done guys and gals at BikeRadar! 🙂
Just checked multiple sites and had tons of options. May want to get on board quick if thats the way one wanted to go but like i said, tons of options. Pricey options!
Campagnolo Super Record Wireless - thoughts? We want to know what you think of this design 👇
Awful
Yes, awful overall. Also, I don’t know where you got the information that the new crankset uses the Protech axle. It says right on the product page that the SR Wireless cranks use the Ultra-Torque axle.
Campy and SRAM are so far behind Shimano in regards to electronics, just look at those monter mechs and batteries. Also they havent paid attention how the other brands have increased size of paddles due to consumer feedback. Good luck shifting correct gear in thick gloves, cold mornings or in a hetic race
I wanted one more top grade rim brake bike, so I ordered a V3Rs in October, 2021, frame size 58s. After 15 months, Colnago had not built the frame. My LBS found a C64 rim brake frame in Colnago’s US warehouse, size 60s. We had already decided that an EPS group set would be better than a mechanical Record or Super Record for a bike that would have internal cable routing. So 11 years after Campagnolo introduced EPS, I have version 4 of EPS on my C64. I have three other rim brake bikes with Record 12-speed. I’ve been riding the new bike since February 3, and have about 3000km so far. I have done one charge at just over 1000km. With close to 2000km since that charge, I have 40% battery charge remaining. The group set works, of course. But I don’t think it is any better than a mechanical gruppo for my riding.
Would I buy the new disc brake only SR Wireless? I think you can guess the answer.
@@colincampbell8311 at the start of the lockdown I ordered a C64 frame and separately the Bora WTO and SR EPS v4 and 18 months no frame, nothing. So I cancelled the frame and reluctantly bought a SWorks Aethos and stuck on the Italian parts… well, love it! The only bad part is… occasional clunky shifting and once in a few months the shifter locks and no shifts for like 1 minute but otherwise…. All ok. Love the brakes and levers. Works and gorgeous looks. But the new SR EPS… meh…
I’m a hardcore Campy fanboy. But this groupset genuinely feels like Campagnolo has just run out of ideas. Nothing on this makes sense. Why lose the thumb shifter on an electronic groupset? Why introduce yet another different BCD diameter and make your own 12sp groupset generations not cross compatible? Why introduce a 10tooth cog - that just seems like a desperate move to justify using the N3W freehub on the road groupsets. Why bother equipping each derailleur with its own battery when they’re not interchangeable? Why make this groupset so obscenely expensive? Honestly. I’m using Campag since the 9sp days even though I’m not that old. But this one I don’t get. No point in bothering with this. I hope they get their shit together next time round. Otherwise Campag will just become completely irrelevant.
Except for the calipers everything else has been an aesthetic downgrade from Super Record EPS. Just looks like trash.
And why not 13 speed, why no 1x option, why no rim brakes and again, why so bloody expensive?
i’ve been riding campagnolo for ~15 years and couldn’t agree more
the answer to your question about why the batteries are different is in the video: sram patent
The totally logical step for me would have been to introduce Super Record EPS 2x13, including a 1X option. Make Ekar cassettes and SR cross compatible and give people the option of a mullet setup if they want. Win Win for everyone. Of course no one needs 2x13. But then again who needs 2x12?
The smaller chainrings and sprockets ensure more friction than with a DuraAce group.
Yup, the industry tells cyclists that they need oversized jockey wheels, and a 10 tooth cog. How gullible would you have to be?😊
50-34 isnt so bad. but the fact that it only gets smaller from there is just weird as hell
Campi goes directly to the coffin with that move ... just my humble opinión
What has happened to tradition??? Give me an option for brakes. I guess now the only option is to go and buy as many rim brake sets as I can to keep my frames happy in the future. Thumb shifters????
Thanks for chasing away lifelong customers.
No rim brakes? ... China is calling 😀
The name that started and led the way, is now following! Tullio Campagnolo is SHIFTING in his grave! MECH campy great again!
5 grand with mediocre performance compared to Shimano 😂
I already thought bike industry prices were getting stupid. Now I'm really sure.
Fat barister groupset
i am a campagnolo user ( centaur 11s )... since a long time. This new groupset is so expensive, ugly, loses campy " spirit " ... so it is useless.
@@pennetierphilippe8529 by campy spirit, you mean outdated and deliberately unnecessary feature designs compared to the competitors more modern build designs?
@@slowcyclist4324 i mean : seems a litle " look a like sram ( battery ) and shimano ( shifting )... For me, no more " campy shifting style " is a big loss...
Sounds like s downgrade in many ways. The hood shape was one of the only things cammy did better than the others.
Yeah, the levers are fugly. The nice curved lines of the 11sp groupsets were peak modern Campagnolo.
“Shifting through the cassette in one hit can be a bit crunchy, but it’s good enough.” Not when the groupset costs more than my entire carbon bike with Sram axs Xplr on, it isn’t! For that money it should be flawless!
By "crunchy" they probably mean that it's a little noisier than Shimano, but it's still fast and precise. The noise has always been intended, because Campy wants you to hear that the shift has gone well.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 the wrong choice of words then I guess.
lol good night campagnolo
Campy will outlive both of us, you can rest assured.
i'm not so sure@@fabriziomonopoli5074
The derailleur is huge looking, very odd
I thought the ugliness of the Etap wireless derailleurs couldn’t be outdone. I was wrong.
@@RB-xv4si Yep, makes SRAM derailleurs look acceptable. Makes Shimano's shadow design look positively sexy (which I used to use to describe Campy!)
@@thedownunderverse exactly. DA Di2 is now easily the best looking of the three. Because they sensibly decided to keep the batteries off of the derailleurs. They’re the new Campy.
Very confusing. I’ve been riding Campy since 2003. Have disc super record EPS now. This seems like a downgrade in almost all respects. Bulkier derailleurs. Ditched the quintessential Campy thumb shifting. Aesthetically IMO it’s just less attractive looking. Crazy price points and launches without a power meter which should be standard at this level. And then funky cassette cog combos. A new app (should just fix the old app and make it better). And apparently the total system is heavier. So what is the point here. This seems very disappointing
The aesthetics are certainly...interesting
to this day i never thought i can find a derailleur ugly
You are 25 years behind . That is the last time i have seen nice looking RD [example Dura ace 7700 or campy from 95 ]
@@dodoslovensko maybe you don't known that there is a range of nuance between ugly and nice looking where a lot of modern derailleur fit in
and maybe you don't known about Ingrid derailleur
but maybe you prefer to insult a random person on the internet because you just spend 5k on an ugly groupset with two potatoes hanging of it and you need to justify to yourself
time to stock up on rim brake components, boys
I was hoping to go electric with new shifters and mechs next year but I guess that will never happen.
Better get some spare shifters. (11 and 12)
@@eriksmith5898 you can still do rim brake electronic shifting with SRAM Force and Red.
@@SecwetGwiwer YES!!!!!!!!!!
Seems like a downgrade compared to the previous gen … from a campy eps user
Even if this was priced the same as Chinese electronic groupsets, I wouldn't chose it. It's hideous.
@@inthefieldunderthesky capital punishment?
Unbelievably ugly derailleurs, especially the front!
Front mech looks like massive potato
the guy who dreamed this gruppo up looks like a massive potato
For god's sake why remove the thumb shifter
For god’s sake, why buy Campagnolo in 2023 ?
Cause the thumb shifter was awful. Almost unusable in the 2 main riding positions (in the drops and aero hoods) since it required a thumb/wrist contortion to use.
I’m a huge fan of italian’s bikes but even i found beautiful the design over Shimano or Sram but the thumb shifter makes me stop to buy a campy system, i’m going to buy the new De Rosa Merak with Campy Rims, saddle Selle Italia, but sincerily i was consider tu put on this bike Sram Red AXS simply cause i don’t find practicaly the thumb shifter, now with this new group practicaly the bike it’s gonna be all Italian except for the pedals (look) and the handlebar (FSA)
@@galenkehler Different hands probably. In my case the thumb shifter felt more comfortable and easier to use than Shimano. 3 years with previous get EPS. But I do not like the new groupset. It may as well burry Campag.
I ask this of di2 as well: why have two buttons on the left shifter at all? The front chainset is a binary choice, small or big, it’s an on off button, yet they engineer two separate inputs.
pretty simple: suppose you’re in the big ring but think you’re in the small ring and want higher gearing. you hit your binary button, and you’re really screwed (suppose a sprint). however, hit the button for higher gearing, and it essentially just lets you know you’re already in the highest. and vice versa
Campagnolo Super Record 12 v Wireless very nice 🔝🔝🔝🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
I love Campagnolo and have used it exclusively for 25 years. I wouldn’t dream of having Shimano on a road bike. One of the main reasons I love it was always because it was beautiful but as the years go by it’s looking more and more like Shimano. Things went downhill as soon as they stopped making the 5 armed cranksets which were gorgeous. I‘ll stick with Campagnolo but SRAM is beginning to look tempting.
Try it before making a decision. I did, and I prefer my 2007 10Sp Chorus. I still never get behind my friends with their new bikes and technology....
I can guarantee you SRAM wont disappoint. Happy owner of a Red eTap 11v. AXS is identical with software upgrades (and obvs 12v). Fantastic, beautiful (eTap more than AXS), ergonomic, intelligent system.
@@daniellafleur8079 I’m still happy with my 2011 11 speed Chorus. I have to admit to loving the fact that I rarely see another bike with Campagnolo when I’m out on a ride.
New bike with Sram Red 12s. I love it. I have been with Campy for 15 years 10s Chorus.
The more I find out, the more it looks like a complete disaster.
Agree.
Campagnolo, please keep the thumb button, at least keep it as a buying option!
On a more important note: the Campagnolo Centaur groupset along with the Campagnolo Zonda and Shamal aluminium wheelsets are no longer mentioned on the official Campagnolo website. Which, in other words, means they have been silently discontinued. A total shame since I own both the Centaur groupset and the Zonda wheelset and they are amazing value for money.
Funny - at €5200 this is exactly twice my budget.
In short: very nice but I can’t afford it.
Plus not a fan of the shifter design.
I guess for now the Ekar groupset remains top of the range
It's twice what I'd probably would spend on a new bike😅
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Haters don’t like this groupset but they didn’t try it. Shimano is recalling Di2 failures which caused thousands of accident. When EPS starts to shift it goes very fast. Braking is smooth and maybe the best. Shimano is cold compared to Campy. There is a soul in this groupset. It might not be perfect but it is a real pleasure on the road. Only improvement would be to make wireless connection faster because I have impression of a very small delay, maybe for next software update.
2:05 Which groupset are these shifters from, please? They look incredibly comfortable and I would buy them.
Bye bye Campy
5,000usd lol
I have been using Chorus 10SP since 2007. If I would have to make a decision today I would go Chorus 12SP Disc. No reason to pay for new technology especially in loosing iconic thumb button. As for the wheels In 2018 I replaced my Eurus for Bora Ultra 35mm. Very pricy decision for poor increase performance. Today I would go Shamal Disc. Of course if you want to show of your wallet capacity you buy high end products, but expect to bee laugh at in terms of performance capacity. Show off as a price to pay........ In the bicycle words, you always be better off by keeping your money in the wallet versus loosing wait. As an example losing 10 pounds on the body versus spending 10,000$ more on the bike will be giving more performance, more pleasure and more proudness…. Have a great ride.
Welcome to 2023 glad to see you here campagnolo….but the price is just stupid
Signed their own death certificate.
Ugly, what happened to the Italiano design aesthetic?
Confirmed: Campagnolo don't know why they exist either.
Why the hate? Remember guys, this is a pro level kit. The $$$ goes with the territory. Looks better than Sram IMO. Just got back from a lot of descending in Dolomites, riding outgoing Record disc 12. Those brakes are the best in the industry. Black carbon all around and chilled Prosecco, hell yeah!j
😂
Pro level kit? Right you are, pro's get everything free, so perhaps this is the only way this will leave the warehouses.
pro-level kit? how many teams ride campy?
If these are the best brakes in the industry, why are reviewers claiming that they’re not powerful enough to lock the wheels?
@@SecwetGwiwer I run SR EPS and the brakes will eventually lock if you nail the lever hard enough but the rotors are what's called "floating rotors" (there is a slight movement if you rock the bike forward with the brakes on) so they ease on to give you more progressive braking so you can't snatch at the brake and go into a skid. They are awesome! I've been riding my SR EPS disc for the last month and yesterday jumped on my Madone 9 Ultegra Di2 with rim brakes and the feel and power you get from SR brakes are another level!!! I used to have Ultegra disc brakes on a Cannondale that I sold a few years ago and compared to SR, again not even in the same ball park.
😲😲😲😲😲THE PRICE IS RIDICULOUS!😲😲😲😲😲
This is sad new about the this new group set I will see more problems h a head this
It's what happens if Shimano and SRAM had an Italian baby.
It looks like they removed the thumb shifter, then added two thumb shifters to each lever. The derailleurs look clunky, the chainset less premium than previous iterations and the discs look tacky and cheap. For a 5 grand groupset Campagnolo should have taken their design inspiration from the Corsa Record groupsets of the early 90's and come up with slick modern lightweight carbon versions of the same. Maybe then 5 Grand would begin to make sense.
the front and rear derailleurs have got tumors best to remove before it spreads
like the comment, love the username
Looks like more money for inferior tech...
Had they used a 13-speed cassette like on Ekar, at least then Campy would've had one marketable reason to buy this group... i.e., the first 13 speed road group of the big brands. However, I saw nothing other than the nostalgic Campy name that made me think anyone would choose this group set over Shimano or SRAM.
so it's made of plastic, it's bloody huge and the shifting performance is "Good enough". Yeah that sounds like 5k worth of Italian mastery
It looks like a rip off of a cheap Chinese groupset. Laughter is all this will provoke when seen on bikes in the wild. You’d have to be an actual full blown moron to buy this over SRAM. Or a least someone who’s fallen for the “wallet inspector” con several times over.
You'd have to be a moron to buy SRAM over Shimano
Campagnolo Super Record 12v Wireless 🔝🔝🔝🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
For me, it’s disappointing that the thumb shift has gone.. I love their brakes, but the price 😳
Small front chainrings are dumb. Don't get me wrong, they have its place. However, for efficiency and smooth shifting at high speeds (when you need tight gear ratios the most) they suck. No wonder pros hate small front chainrigs. This is another groupset for dentists.
I'm an amateur rider and my 52/36 is honestly the best. My bike shipped with 11s 11-28 and I replaced it for a 11-25 because the 52/36 is already a great all around set.
I put a 50/34 pair on my commutor bike because the 44/34/24 was a pretty terrible combination. I can't even keep up with Cat4 riders and I ride these gears.
I think the pros are riding what manufacturers WANT them to. Because otherwise why are the fastest riders in the world using compact gears and wide range cassettes?
For decades, 11-23 or 11-25 was the standard along with 53/39 or even larger rings
Pros use big chainrings literally because they ride fast, simple as that. On my 53-11 I am getting spun out just under 70km/h, Pros pedal down a descent or sprint faster than that.
@@michaelmechex No it is not simple as that. It is not just about having enough gears for not spinning out.
I have the Campy Super Record EPS and no wires are visible. And I love the thumb shifter, always have. There is thus no reason to move from EPS to wireless group. Quite the contrary.
Thumb button is a joke. Thanks it’s gone. Italian trying too hard again
Does the new electronic shifters from campag do the old school slam jump shift? Example. Largest rear cog / slam to small maybe going down a hill. Or a shimano one step shifting and no slam dump. Or going up a hill.
First Campagnolo high end gruppo that I don't like at all. Fancy SRAM...
10 tooth cogs are just terrible
Going wireless - very okay. Derailleur batteries not being interchangeable between front and rear - very un-okay. No interchangeability with previous 12-gear gruppos - most un-okay.
Dropping the thumb-shifter is dropping their identity. Arrivederci, Campagnolo!
Awesome! The grupo of choice for cycling puristas has caught up. That said, €5200 price tag will likely limit who buys it. Once wireless shifting makes it to Record (in 1-2 yrs?), the initial kinks may be gone, and price should be more affordable. Something to consider for my next bike.....
Unfortunately that RD is quite a lump and IMO the jury is still out on the vertical shifters’ usability of which was not really mentioned in this video. I’ll stick with my SR EPS thumb shifters. And if you’re looking for a lower tiered wireless then nothing can beat the Di2 in 105 or Ultegra.
I have been with Campy Chorus 10s for 16 yeears. New blike with Sram Red Electro 12s. Just great. I love the easyness of usage, battery transfer and facility for rechrarge. I am in Canada, getting service and parts on Campy was more and more difficult. Service on Sram is so easy,
It's pronounced "dee-rail-ur", not "dee-rail-ee-ur". You know, like amateur and entrepreneur.
Damn this has got to be the ugliest groupset ever introduced, goodbye campag...
Expensive & Ugly whats not to like? 😂 Sorry I have been on Campy over 35 years this is not something I would ever consider
They might as well change their name to CHANGpagnolo.
That looks like some cheap chinese groupset, not even trolling.
I love Campy and did 45,000 km on a chorus 11 speed Groupo that was bullet proof, but 750 km battery life!!! WTF! Do they factor carrying spare batteries into the weight of the group set? For something so ridiculously overpriced, that from all accounts doesn’t even shift well, doesn’t really look that great in comparison to its peers, I assume it will only be the reality denying, cost is no object fanboys buying this overpriced piece of dog 💩
They should call it Campagnolo "Saw You Coming" Wireless instead, it is ugly, chunky, expensive and not as good.
I rather spend the money on a Rolex perpetual oyster (other watches are available) or a very nice holiday.
Big money for a group set with a clunky FD? Are you kidding me?
I might be the only one who's disliked the ride feel and inefficient 10t cog. I really hate it how it feels on my SRAM . Useless gears combined with smallest chain rings ...not efficient.
short answer: No. long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Only rich people with glamour lifestyle will buy 😂
This is comically bad... clinging for relevance
Would love to get a new bike and the Campy wireless but will wait to get the bugs out.
Shimano all the way! 36-52/11-30.
A 9 sebességes record rendszer óta szar a camapagnolo, ez van 😢
A 10-es record titanium volt a legjobb, ott kezdődik, és ér véget minden váltót egybevéve is...
Amúgy ez tényleg nem egy nagy durranás, én most 12-es chorust használok, (szeretem)
Ország legjobb campa szerelője azt mondta, hogy nem lesz semmi baja, csak a rugók veszíthetik el rugalmasságukat idővel, de az könnyen orvosolható.
Ask Campagnolo why someone have to Choose them?
Why does it look like it's been sand blasted??
10-29 max casette is a joke.
29t matched with the 48x32 chainwheels give approx same ratio as 32t rear/ 50x34t front. Good enough for the mountains where I go.
@@aluminati9918 48/32 is a joke.
@@jkk916 I'm guessing your avg speed is 40+kph?
@@keinpietz7697 No it is not but even for me 52/36 is way better.
@@jkk916 I ride 48/32 with 11/32 in the back. The only moment I feel I could use 50 or 52 is when I'm bombing down steep descents @66+kph. In regular riding, so 30-35kph, 48 is perfect.
Why it does not cost a 25 000€? Who would want so cheap crap
I agree, too cheap for my liking.
I stopped after I heard disc only and the cost. 😮
These stopped our hearts
Italian for ugly?
omg _)
I don’t know what are they smoking but it’s expensive. Super record bike would be like 15k minimum
Dude, speak your mind truthfully. This copy of SRAM can not be what we have been waiting for. It looks 10 years dated and no bells or whistles. Super nonsense is what it is, while you are at it, perhaps you can justify the ridiculous price. Ok, I get it, it's a prototype 😂😂😂
this is awful
yet another fawning view of a Campag product. If Shimano or Sram had problems that, because its from Campag are brushed off as foibles that you just have to put up with, we'd be seeing loads of clickbait videos pointing out how much they've lost the plot.
I have been a 30 year advocate of Campy, but I really don't like the look of the new groupset, and the price..wow!
Sounds very complex and unfinished... I am not sure...
Just built a new bike with Chorus 12 disc. In the end I regret not going Ekar 1X like my gravel. I’m fortunately comfortable but still can’t see spending 5k on a groupset.
Sadly SRAM still has a more complete and compelling offering.
Austin Allegro of groupsets. Also designed by an Italian 😮
Thank you for pronouncing Campagnolo decently. :)
That rear derailleur. Yikes! Hope it looks better in person.
After 1:15 min. I am out of here... 😮
Sram? Is that you in there?
Dude $4,000 for a groupset, this is crazy. Yeah it's cool not to have any wires but it's not $4,000+ cool. If they kept making 10 speed Record with decreasing prices over time I'd keep buying it for decades.
Get 10 speed Record right in my soul
This is nail to the coffin for once....thumb shifts is gone which is unacceptable. They don't need wireless,it will be best they could go semi wireless system keeping the main features thumb shifts alive. Now they are just losing more regular customers away to elsewhere.
Thumb shifters and 5-arm cranks are all we want
What quick does the chain use please?
It's sort of ridiculous that the derailleurs don't use the same battery (SRAM holds the patent for that), but it looks like Campy's front derailleur won't have the same clearance issues that AXS front derailleurs have. On gravel bikes, certain tire sizes will actually contact the SRAM battery.
😡 disappointed! Was expecting the first set of wireless brakes!
Probably won't see this any time soon. Imagine if the battery runs out of power - it could be your last ride...
@@jc_sanchez it was a joke . . .
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Thanks for the kind words!
Just checked multiple sites and had tons of options. May want to get on board quick if thats the way one wanted to go but like i said, tons of options. Pricey options!