Today i ordered the frame for my last DreamBuild, a Colnago C68. I will mount this group to get something, that is built completely in europe especially in italy. I hope the ride on the C68 will be as smooth, as you discribed in another video, David. Nice Video🎉❤
@@charlesmansplaining they are not Made in US, and i am tired about the samelooking mass products of asia. I own a SWORKS Tarmac SL7, it‘s a fantastic bike, but the Italien job has got a Soul. I am now 58 years old, and become an old white man, maybe that’s the reason. But i totally agree with you, my other brand still will be Specialized
Shimano's newest groupsets still offer rim brakes. As for SRAM, I'm not yet sure if the Force AXS can use the Force eTap AXS's dual-control levers that's designed for mechanical brakes.
It looks nice and all, but fr who'd buy this at that price. Thier lower tier groupsets are most likely gonna be more price than everything else on the market. The worst part of campag is (imo) the low install base, meaning that it's not guaranteed that you'll find replacement parts.
You can bet yours ass that you will not find any replacement parts at all. This thing will be produced as a single relatively small batch in the far east. There will be no incentive to hold a sufficient inventory orto restart any production by the real manufacturer at all.
Mechanical,keepin it simple stupid is my motto,no batteries to replace ,ever,no motor lock ups,ever,crash's will be expensive also,dont need a phone to fix anything just a screwdriver at most
I've been on Campagnolo for 40 years. Really sad to see the thumb shifter go away. It was what made Campy stand out and it's just so great. I would assume it is still around on mechanical groups, at least until mechanical goes the way of the dodo. Also... 53 up front or go home. :)
Campagnolo purist here, now maybe a former Campag purist, the thumb shifter is the main reason I used Campagnolo exclusively. Having the buttons separated to different parts of the hand makes a huge ergonomic difference when wearing gloves or when in O2 debt and the brain is shutting off and you need to rely on gross muscle memory. Especially given how hard to find (and expensive!) Campagnolo parts are in the US my next group will likely not be Campagnolo. If I have to pay for inferior shifting design I'm not going to pay a premium.
Sadly different batteries front and rear. One of the more useful design features of SRAM AXS is the ability to put the FD battery (or from a dropper post) on the RD if you've run out of juice.
That's the first thing I noticed. I have Etap and the ability to swap the batteries to get in the right chainring to make it home when one is dead is a savior. I now carry one spare that will work on either front or rear.
@@donjuandeaustria1213 yeah the patent issue is such a big thing on cycling. IIRC it's why Shimano was unable to go full wireless. Shimano also hold a shit load of patents too.😊
Basically they’ve looked at Sram AXS and Shimano Di2 and tried to copy the best of both. The crankset looks like Ultegra, the batteries are a clunky design of AXS. If you’re going to be last to the party you’ve got to leap forward with some innovation… this is set to sit on the shelf I suspect.
Interesting that, in a time when pros are using OS jockey wheels to save watts, manufacturers are moving to smaller rings and cassettes. 1 tooth diff isn't the same across cassettes either. 10 to 11 is 10% increase, 12 to 13 is 8% increase so easier to match to perfect cadence.
Not just the Pro's the UK TT scene has been adapting larger chainrings for improvements in efficiency for a while. Look at Sram they had to bring out larger rings for their pro's. I think it is probably due to the 'all road' phenomenon, and provides gearing to match. This leaves us amateur racers high and dry - e.g. Shimano only offer Ultegra 12spd with a max ring size of 52 which isn't great for TT's, Tri's and even some crits where a 54(+) can be useful.
This is by FAR the worst looking Super Record group set EVER !!! And those gear ratio ?? Come on ... Oh boy i am so happy with my 53x39 - 11x28 Shimano why even think to change it ?
What i do l like about riding a bike is the fact it will be not dependent on any modern technology. That it´s just me and an analogic machine. I understand it´s purpouse but in a modern world, everything is turning electric... allow me to keep my sanity off this technology on an analogic bike.
Very very expensive, mechs are huge, finish looks tacky compared with 11sp EPS (12sp was tacky too), no thumbshifters (which I love), no advantage to wireless once system is installed (just more batteries to worry about), and most importantly, no rim brake option. Total failure to appeal to this decades-long Campagnolo fan..
I have mechanical SRecord on one of my bikes, I love using it as it’s so different from Shimano & SRAM. Really not sure about this, I do hope it’s not the beginning of the end for a brand with such a rich and fabulous heritage. Doesn’t SRAM just do the same only better? 😢 Hope I’m very very wrong.
I haven't tried this one, nor the previous Campy EPS, but think Campagnolo should stick with their top quality mechanical shifting they've been known for. I have a feeling there'll be a lot of misshifts when riding in the hoods from those similarly feeling buttons right above/below each other and neither would I be convinced to buy this groupset by the enormous front mech, non-swappable batteries between front and rear derailleurs, gear ratios and highly doubt somewhat competitive price.
Should have copied SRAM - right lever for harder- left for easier. Both to change the front. Very easy to do and no need to find the right tiny button.
A 1 by set up is an abomination on a road bike, absolutely horrendous looking with a dinner plate cassette on the back but then I still ride what we used to call a mans bike, 53/39 with 23 as lowest gear on my road bike, I do have a gravel bike also but even that has a double crankset for optimal chain alignment.
@@julianmorris9951 And that front derailleur is not an abomination…? Also, 'a mans bike'? LOL, men who find it necessary to boast about how manly they are, are usually pretty laughable.
I was always a fan of super record but this electronic shifting is junk and looks ugly as well a making it obsolete years down the road. Mechanical shifting lasts forever
Pretty ugly derailleurs, but I could get used to that. The main problem is the move away from the thumb shifter. That's what made Campy Campy. That was the absolute joy of riding and interacting with it. Removing that makes it a way too expensive version of Di2 or eTap, and now there is nothing special about it, as the shifting mechanism has changed. After 20 years with Campy, if their electronic groupsets all go this way, if I ever got an electronic gruppo, it would not be Campy, because now the only thing that separates Campy from the others is the massive price. Thumb shifters or bust. Thankfully, it is still on mechanical.
I love the aesthetics of the group. The derailleurs in particular look premium and classy. What I don't like, as others have mentioned, is the different batteries for each derailleur. Gone is the opportunity to swap batteries mid-ride if you forget to charge them. I'll be sticking with my eTap for the foreseeable.
Why wouldn't they make the front and rear battery the same? When people die in the small or large ring it would be helpful to swap batteries momentarily to change the ring and move on.
I am sure there will be a lot of comments about the price and be fair at £4.5k i can see why. You can see why the Chinese groupsets gain so much interest in their development. It would be good to see some European companies challenging the status quo for performance at better value points within cycling as well.
The problem is, that cycling gained So much popularity with covid, so as long as people will keep buying these ridicolously priced bikes and parts, they will just increase price. And the other issue is, that you can't buy a bike with chinese groupset on it in normal shop, and not many people are willing to build bike themslefs.
@Alex Michl I think the hyped prices happened before Covid, but the shortages definitely made things worse. Yep though with more Chinese brands having European distributing it is only a matter of time I guess, but Currently a very niche market. I guess the selling less at a higher price has advantages, but with a shrinking middle class in many countries you wonder how sustainable that business model will be in the long run.
@@morrisizing Agreed. Chinese alternatives can't be available soon enough. Right now, it's a widespread money grab by the big players before peak cycling recedes.
what a beautiful bike. I have never been a Campag fan, but the new group is really a move in the right direction for them I think. That Willier is Smoke'n
When the major selling point of your new groupset is that it has copied something that has been on the market for year already. I was really hoping Campag would push us forward. Maybe a better way of having auxiliary switches, better automatic shift, or a method to get you home when the batteries die.
Would like to know how is it unsafe or “illegal”? Is the concern about how one might strongly grip and twist the opposite direction of the wrap direction when riding? (This concern applies equally for “traditional” wrapping methods.)
@@MazingerZX true, it's not about if you wrap clockwise or anti-, but how the seam between coils shows. With traditional wrap you slide your hand from stem towards hoods smoothly, with reverse you catch on the ridge. Must be still from the times of cotton tape, when it is unpleasant, destructive to the tape and can cause involuntary handlebar movement 🤷♂️ Or maybe it's just to prevent the tape sliding off alltogether like stockings without garment belt, in case it looses tension over time or gets cut in a crash...
Campagnolo used to make the most beautiful metal components, and the top-end gruppos were polished like jewels. Not sure why I would pay these prices for the same black carbon fiber that everyone else uses
the gear range has not improved. We have now 10-29 (a bit under 1:3) and before 11-34 (a bit over 1:3). And btw, the Campagnolo 11-34 has the best gradation of all 11-34 cassettes; imo the step to 10-29 (following SRAM) is a mistake because the smaller the cassettes are getting, the bigger is a 1-tooth-step - 10 to 11 is a bigger step than 11 to 12, and especially with the small kogs it matters. Other than that it is a beautiful group set - as most of Campagnolo since many years
53/39 isn’t just for racers. And if you ask most consumers, which no manufacturer seems to do these days, they’d prefer a 14-32 cassette. If anything is “racer only” it’s the 10,11,12,13 tooth sprockets on a 2x drivetrain.
@@frankmeyer1865 I’ll sell you a pair of my all new, cutting edge, glass slippers to match the 45/29 chainrings. They maximise the aero gains of groupset plus rider. 50 watt saving at 15 kmp/h.
After a severe hand injury in 2004, I went to Campag as the thumb shifter worked with the injury. So for me the loss of the Thumb shifter is a loss of its functionality with that hand. No biggy for me as I prefer cable actuated anyway, but anyone with a similar loss of hand motion, may find it unworkable.
God damn. People in the west are so hopeless. Why can't you get some other gears for 20 times less money and some two compound adhesives to glue in an extension knob where you would like to have it done? It's about pulling a wire-line. It will function as good as anything. Get compression less cabling and pre-stretch the cables if you want to improve precision. This is far more of relevance that the levers.
Are those Hyperon wheels? Quite scarce. The cost of campag is just not justifiable, and removing all the quirks of a thumb shifter and oddly shaped hood means it’s got nothing for its fans to justify the outlay for.
What a trainwreck of a product launch. Campagnolo forgot OEM market exists and they don't offer affordable groupsets anymore. Yet, this fancy Super Record is heavier, $1300 more expensive than DA or SRAM Red pile of dogload, that doesn't offer nothing revolutionary or superior over competition. No rim-brake version, no separate rim-brake levers for legacy install, slower shifting than Di2, two different batteries (4 overall to care about). Even CULT bearings are NOT present here anymore. Expect selling Campagnolo to some trust foundation in couple of years for $1.
Different front and rear batteries. Odd design, everything is so bulky. Questionable buttons. Not lighter then Dura Ace. Absolutely inadequate high price, especially compared to competitors. So... cool but no thanks.
You mentioned the disappearance of Campagnolo from the pro peloton and shop floors. Shimano and to lesser extent SRAM have the marketing budgets to drown out Campagnolo by throwing more money at pro teams and now also TH-cam channels - not to mention a certain Global cycling channel. As a result Shimano gets massive coverage- how many times have you heard 105 group set of the people, or “I’ve upgraded to Ultegra” or “Durace is the best bar none” for example as if there are no other choices. Occasionally SRAM gets mentioned particularly etap or SRAM red being the lightest. Almost never is Campagnolo mentioned except that it’s quirky or bought only by dentists. This is effectively negative marketing and it’s effective. It’s a shame because Campagnolo have and do produce excellent products. I made the switch more than 20 years ago following my frustration with Shimano durability. I would never go back. But many people especially newer cyclists have no idea that there’s an alternative. Obviously Super Record is not for everyone but what about Chorus as an alternative to Ultegra or Veloce as an alternative groupset for the people? How about some reviews? Might be an eye opener to many even if only the awareness alternatives are out there. It would be a great loss if Campagnolo were to slowly disappear.
What's the selling point? Not price, not weight, not innovative, not revolutionary, basically nothing new! Campagnolo, why should I buy this groupset, what's it's stand out feature? Can't see this triggering campagnolos resurgence unfortunately. I was personally hoping they'd go 13 speed and remove the front mech. Controversial, but would have at least been a product that challenged rather than conformed. A suprisingly forgettable product release when they're already late to the party.
So rather than be innovators which they use to be, they have just copied Sram. Plus smashed down a price tag on the new group of £4500. More reasons to avoid Campy. I would rather walk!
It looks like designated more by accountants than passionate group of cyclist with such a rich history. It is big disapointment. Seeing this crap I will guard my old good mechanical 11 speed Super Record groupset like eye in my head.
Just my $.02 but it doesn't look like the shift selectors are very ergonomic, in that you need to adjust your hand position to reach the lower paddle. That's horrible!
i've always been a campy fanatic, but nowdays shimano and sram seems brutally overtaken campy. Battery longevity, gear combo and other details aside, campy seems had to get down and copy the competitors (i have to say this because i can't find anything unique, everything seems already seen).
The most awful groupset out of all electronic ones, astronomical price tag, plus capmy doesn't bring anything new to the table. There is no point of buying this groupset, maybe if you wanted to show off that you can...
I was a loyal Campy user for 30 years until I got my last road bike. Have always loved campy equipment. Use Chorus, on par with Ultegra. As the electronic shifting trickles down to the lower groups, I may try it again!!!! All Campy stuff is solid and can be rebuilt never just a throw away and replace.
@@rosomak8244 I have never been a fan of electronic shifting. Sure there are benefits, but I like to be able to fix my own bikes and to troubleshoot on the road any issues. As I mentioned all Campy components of the past could all be fixed, parts replaced, etc. we will have to see the long term outcome of this shifting technology. I was real sad when Shimano no longer has mechanical systems for Ultegra and Dura Ace. Big mistake IMHO, but will have to see how the market shakes out. I am still running mechanical on my latest gravel bike, SRAM Force/Eagle GX mullet build. But I always follow Campy. If you have never ridden their past components..... lots of firsts from that company. Why they have mostly been race focused, at least they are providing options for the everyday rider as well.
Great video! Wouldnt mind keep using the thumb shifter as the new solution looks too close for up and down now... weight wise for the groupset what are the numbers?
I'm really happy for Campy for finally emerging into the 21st century. However... Their entire platform is nothing more than a very 'expected' copy (I won't say stolen) of SRAM/Shimano tech. It is clearly behind-the-power-curve out of the box which goes to show how 'un-Agile' Italian designers truly are. To be sure; it is a miracle that Colnago will continue to exist after UAE bought them. Let's hope they do the same with Campagnolo. If I had to guess; I'd say the Italian bike scene is approaching the conclusion of their long and storied history. (They just can't keep up. And they don't even want to...) Whether it is Campagnolo, Colnago, Bianchi, Cippolini, Cinelli, or what have you; they haven't done anything "innovative" since the bicycle 'Renaissance'. They reach a certain level of prolonged dominance and then they just quit. But isn't that the case with all hegemons? There was a time when Italian bicycle hardware dominated the Pro Peloton. But like all civilizations (be it the Roman Empire of antiquity or the US hegemony of today); they all eventually "go to zero". And that is where we're at with Campagnolo now. No matter how hard they try, Shimano is the new dominant player and SRAM will be 'second fiddle'. And poor Campy will simply fade into irrelevance before vanishing without notice.
That bike is begging for a gold chain.
Indeed!
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how true !!
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Today i ordered the frame for my last DreamBuild, a Colnago C68. I will mount this group to get something, that is built completely in europe especially in italy. I hope the ride on the C68 will be as smooth, as you discribed in another video, David. Nice Video🎉❤
@@charlesmansplaining they are not Made in US, and i am tired about the samelooking mass products of asia. I own a SWORKS Tarmac SL7, it‘s a fantastic bike, but the Italien job has got a Soul. I am now 58 years old, and become an old white man, maybe that’s the reason. But i totally agree with you, my other brand still will be Specialized
@@charlesmansplaining sounds like you know what you are speaking of!
Another disk brake only groupset?
Shimano's newest groupsets still offer rim brakes. As for SRAM, I'm not yet sure if the Force AXS can use the Force eTap AXS's dual-control levers that's designed for mechanical brakes.
It looks nice and all, but fr who'd buy this at that price. Thier lower tier groupsets are most likely gonna be more price than everything else on the market. The worst part of campag is (imo) the low install base, meaning that it's not guaranteed that you'll find replacement parts.
You can bet yours ass that you will not find any replacement parts at all. This thing will be produced as a single relatively small batch in the far east. There will be no incentive to hold a sufficient inventory orto restart any production by the real manufacturer at all.
Sad lost the thumb adjuster. Sadly not for better !
Tape wound the wrong way IMO.
Incorrect bar wrapping. 😏
alternative bar wrapping ;)
Mechanical,keepin it simple stupid is my motto,no batteries to replace ,ever,no motor lock ups,ever,crash's will be expensive also,dont need a phone to fix anything just a screwdriver at most
I've been on Campagnolo for 40 years. Really sad to see the thumb shifter go away. It was what made Campy stand out and it's just so great. I would assume it is still around on mechanical groups, at least until mechanical goes the way of the dodo. Also... 53 up front or go home. :)
Campagnolo purist here, now maybe a former Campag purist, the thumb shifter is the main reason I used Campagnolo exclusively. Having the buttons separated to different parts of the hand makes a huge ergonomic difference when wearing gloves or when in O2 debt and the brain is shutting off and you need to rely on gross muscle memory. Especially given how hard to find (and expensive!) Campagnolo parts are in the US my next group will likely not be Campagnolo. If I have to pay for inferior shifting design I'm not going to pay a premium.
Sadly different batteries front and rear. One of the more useful design features of SRAM AXS is the ability to put the FD battery (or from a dropper post) on the RD if you've run out of juice.
That's the first thing I noticed. I have Etap and the ability to swap the batteries to get in the right chainring to make it home when one is dead is a savior. I now carry one spare that will work on either front or rear.
Apparently it's a patent issue (lawyers, amirite?). Davide Campagnolo mentioned the design space as "paved with patents".
Yeah since they like to fall off it’s a handy feature. Besides the batteries and dropping chains SRAM is great 😂
@@donjuandeaustria1213 yeah the patent issue is such a big thing on cycling. IIRC it's why Shimano was unable to go full wireless. Shimano also hold a shit load of patents too.😊
How many years do the patent hold ???
Srampagnolo
Basically they’ve looked at Sram AXS and Shimano Di2 and tried to copy the best of both. The crankset looks like Ultegra, the batteries are a clunky design of AXS. If you’re going to be last to the party you’ve got to leap forward with some innovation… this is set to sit on the shelf I suspect.
From a Campy fan: TERRIBLE. This group is the tombstone of Campagnolo, period.
Interesting that, in a time when pros are using OS jockey wheels to save watts, manufacturers are moving to smaller rings and cassettes.
1 tooth diff isn't the same across cassettes either. 10 to 11 is 10% increase, 12 to 13 is 8% increase so easier to match to perfect cadence.
Less material - cheaper and lighter
Not just the Pro's the UK TT scene has been adapting larger chainrings for improvements in efficiency for a while. Look at Sram they had to bring out larger rings for their pro's. I think it is probably due to the 'all road' phenomenon, and provides gearing to match. This leaves us amateur racers high and dry - e.g. Shimano only offer Ultegra 12spd with a max ring size of 52 which isn't great for TT's, Tri's and even some crits where a 54(+) can be useful.
I'm imagining winter gloves with those two small paddles. Feeling more attached to my thumb shifter. Hmm.
I'm not sure many people will be using this groupset in winter !
@@leskennedy Judging by the price this is designed for the deserts where oil springs are common.
That front mech housing is about the same size as my carry-on luggage.
This is by FAR the worst looking Super Record group set EVER !!! And those gear ratio ?? Come on ... Oh boy i am so happy with my 53x39 - 11x28 Shimano why even think to change it ?
this will probably cost 1.5 kidneys💸
Thoughtful and insightful… Thank you so much for weighing in
@@knbstonehalf, or whole brain
It does, indeed. 4.499 GBP 😢
And a lung ;)
What i do l like about riding a bike is the fact it will be not dependent on any modern technology. That it´s just me and an analogic machine. I understand it´s purpouse but in a modern world, everything is turning electric... allow me to keep my sanity off this technology on an analogic bike.
Lucky the SR is still offered in Rim brakes 😊❤
Clearly Campy went all in on this group set… hope it works out for them…
absolutely outrageous price
Don’t like the lever change at all. Very disappointing.
Very very expensive, mechs are huge, finish looks tacky compared with 11sp EPS (12sp was tacky too), no thumbshifters (which I love), no advantage to wireless once system is installed (just more batteries to worry about), and most importantly, no rim brake option. Total failure to appeal to this decades-long Campagnolo fan..
I have mechanical SRecord on one of my bikes, I love using it as it’s so different from Shimano & SRAM. Really not sure about this, I do hope it’s not the beginning of the end for a brand with such a rich and fabulous heritage. Doesn’t SRAM just do the same only better? 😢 Hope I’m very very wrong.
I haven't tried this one, nor the previous Campy EPS, but think Campagnolo should stick with their top quality mechanical shifting they've been known for. I have a feeling there'll be a lot of misshifts when riding in the hoods from those similarly feeling buttons right above/below each other and neither would I be convinced to buy this groupset by the enormous front mech, non-swappable batteries between front and rear derailleurs, gear ratios and highly doubt somewhat competitive price.
Should have copied SRAM - right lever for harder- left for easier. Both to change the front. Very easy to do and no need to find the right tiny button.
That HUGE front mech is the best argument I've ever seen for a single front chainring.
So you want to go 1x just for aesthetics and believe it's a good enough argument?
A 1 by set up is an abomination on a road bike, absolutely horrendous looking with a dinner plate cassette on the back but then I still ride what we used to call a mans bike, 53/39 with 23 as lowest gear on my road bike, I do have a gravel bike also but even that has a double crankset for optimal chain alignment.
@@julianmorris9951 cool story.
@@julianmorris9951 Zzzzzzzzzz...
@@julianmorris9951 And that front derailleur is not an abomination…?
Also, 'a mans bike'? LOL, men who find it necessary to boast about how manly they are, are usually pretty laughable.
I was always a fan of super record but this electronic shifting is junk and looks ugly as well a making it obsolete years down the road. Mechanical shifting lasts forever
Sorted, upgrade groupset for my Halfords Carrera Virtuoso
Caveman with simple and basic tools puts unecessary and expensive technology on bike.
tech still seems a bit behind the rest of the industry
😲😲😲😲😲THE PRICE IS RIDICULOUS!😲😲😲😲😲
I don't mind to buy bikes with DuraAce or Sram AXS Red, but $5,399/£4,499 is too much 🤦♂
I prefer my wired EPS with thumb shift button and better looking deraileurs.
Pretty ugly derailleurs, but I could get used to that. The main problem is the move away from the thumb shifter. That's what made Campy Campy. That was the absolute joy of riding and interacting with it. Removing that makes it a way too expensive version of Di2 or eTap, and now there is nothing special about it, as the shifting mechanism has changed. After 20 years with Campy, if their electronic groupsets all go this way, if I ever got an electronic gruppo, it would not be Campy, because now the only thing that separates Campy from the others is the massive price. Thumb shifters or bust. Thankfully, it is still on mechanical.
the derraileurs are so big and ugly
One benefit from losing the thumb shifters is it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to roll the hoods up to get to the bolt.
I love the tump shifter
Even as a long time Campy user (30 years - I have first year Ergopower on my 90's Colnago) I have to agree...
@@ianfurqueron5850 Oooh, I have a 90's Colnago too, a Tecnos, which I've got built-up with Record 10 speed. Still my favourite bike to ride!
Wider range of gears because the bikes are heavier
Only 0.1w penalty on the 10t? I think they first decided the result then came up with a test to produce it. Or didn't even bother and just lied.
I love the aesthetics of the group. The derailleurs in particular look premium and classy. What I don't like, as others have mentioned, is the different batteries for each derailleur. Gone is the opportunity to swap batteries mid-ride if you forget to charge them. I'll be sticking with my eTap for the foreseeable.
Unfortunately I’ve heard this is because SRAM has a patent on using the same batteries on both derailleurs
bulky = premium and classy?!
@@LRG251 🤡
That looks like a really neat set. Melds best of Shimano and SRAM. Hope that’s how it rides. Look forward to a road test, David.
I love campy but the price for this grounp is just too much for me. USD 6500
Sadly you have to be a millionaire to afford it!
No rim brake option. Was hoping to buy it for my old Time RXR.
Why wouldn't they make the front and rear battery the same? When people die in the small or large ring it would be helpful to swap batteries momentarily to change the ring and move on.
I am sure there will be a lot of comments about the price and be fair at £4.5k i can see why. You can see why the Chinese groupsets gain so much interest in their development. It would be good to see some European companies challenging the status quo for performance at better value points within cycling as well.
Well for about HALF you have (faster shifting) Dura Ace Di2... still not cheap but I mean... half 😂
The problem is, that cycling gained So much popularity with covid, so as long as people will keep buying these ridicolously priced bikes and parts, they will just increase price. And the other issue is, that you can't buy a bike with chinese groupset on it in normal shop, and not many people are willing to build bike themslefs.
@Alex Michl I think the hyped prices happened before Covid, but the shortages definitely made things worse. Yep though with more Chinese brands having European distributing it is only a matter of time I guess, but Currently a very niche market. I guess the selling less at a higher price has advantages, but with a shrinking middle class in many countries you wonder how sustainable that business model will be in the long run.
@@morrisizing Agreed. Chinese alternatives can't be available soon enough. Right now, it's a widespread money grab by the big players before peak cycling recedes.
@@RepsacZ Where can I get Dura Ace 9200 / 9250 DI2 for any less than 3K? Are you buying used or black market or just no idea about prices?
what a beautiful bike. I have never been a Campag fan, but the new group is really a move in the right direction for them I think. That Willier is Smoke'n
Ergonomic changing gears goes to hell
When the major selling point of your new groupset is that it has copied something that has been on the market for year already. I was really hoping Campag would push us forward. Maybe a better way of having auxiliary switches, better automatic shift, or a method to get you home when the batteries die.
Just bought the entire groupset (with BB and rotors) for 3600 EUR…brand new… this is reasonable-ish for a high end groupset….
I.ride Campa Super Record Electronics, no cabels as in the TH-cam video, for all most 6 Month at my Colnago C68. It’s great and I recomend it 100%.
5200 euros... why??? only if you are a pro with sponsorships ..
I knew about the changes for quite the time but I still don't believe Campa actually did it.
That "illigal" bartape wrap though...
No ways, reverse wrap is way more logical to install. And obvs no electrical tape to be seen for aesthetic purposes 😂
@@neilk22 it is considered unsafe
@@feedbackzaloop cant imagine why, but from my experience ive had no issues for years.
Would like to know how is it unsafe or “illegal”? Is the concern about how one might strongly grip and twist the opposite direction of the wrap direction when riding? (This concern applies equally for “traditional” wrapping methods.)
@@MazingerZX true, it's not about if you wrap clockwise or anti-, but how the seam between coils shows. With traditional wrap you slide your hand from stem towards hoods smoothly, with reverse you catch on the ridge. Must be still from the times of cotton tape, when it is unpleasant, destructive to the tape and can cause involuntary handlebar movement 🤷♂️
Or maybe it's just to prevent the tape sliding off alltogether like stockings without garment belt, in case it looses tension over time or gets cut in a crash...
Campagnolo used to make the most beautiful metal components, and the top-end gruppos were polished like jewels. Not sure why I would pay these prices for the same black carbon fiber that everyone else uses
the gear range has not improved. We have now 10-29 (a bit under 1:3) and before 11-34 (a bit over 1:3). And btw, the Campagnolo 11-34 has the best gradation of all 11-34 cassettes; imo the step to 10-29 (following SRAM) is a mistake because the smaller the cassettes are getting, the bigger is a 1-tooth-step - 10 to 11 is a bigger step than 11 to 12, and especially with the small kogs it matters. Other than that it is a beautiful group set - as most of Campagnolo since many years
53/39 isn’t just for racers. And if you ask most consumers, which no manufacturer seems to do these days, they’d prefer a 14-32 cassette. If anything is “racer only” it’s the 10,11,12,13 tooth sprockets on a 2x drivetrain.
… take the 45/29 crankset, i will
@@frankmeyer1865 I’ll sell you a pair of my all new, cutting edge, glass slippers to match the 45/29 chainrings. They maximise the aero gains of groupset plus rider. 50 watt saving at 15 kmp/h.
Agree Tommy,
Sounds like the very viable mod of the 11-32 Shimano cassette but swap with the Jr cassette 14T and 15T cogs from the 11T and 13T.
@@lordalfa600 hyperglide is potentially a problem, but it should probably work ok alright 😅
David cant wait for you to do a comparison between Dura Ace vs Super Record vs SRAM Red…. !!!
Me too! 😎
After a severe hand injury in 2004, I went to Campag as the thumb shifter worked with the injury. So for me the loss of the Thumb shifter is a loss of its functionality with that hand. No biggy for me as I prefer cable actuated anyway, but anyone with a similar loss of hand motion, may find it unworkable.
God damn. People in the west are so hopeless. Why can't you get some other gears for 20 times less money and some two compound adhesives to glue in an extension knob where you would like to have it done? It's about pulling a wire-line. It will function as good as anything. Get compression less cabling and pre-stretch the cables if you want to improve precision. This is far more of relevance that the levers.
Are those Hyperon wheels? Quite scarce. The cost of campag is just not justifiable, and removing all the quirks of a thumb shifter and oddly shaped hood means it’s got nothing for its fans to justify the outlay for.
What a trainwreck of a product launch. Campagnolo forgot OEM market exists and they don't offer affordable groupsets anymore. Yet, this fancy Super Record is heavier, $1300 more expensive than DA or SRAM Red pile of dogload, that doesn't offer nothing revolutionary or superior over competition. No rim-brake version, no separate rim-brake levers for legacy install, slower shifting than Di2, two different batteries (4 overall to care about). Even CULT bearings are NOT present here anymore. Expect selling Campagnolo to some trust foundation in couple of years for $1.
Frameset $7,000
Wheelset $4,000
Groupset $5,500
Learning to wrap bar tape under the hoods so the lever's logos don't show: Priceless......
Different front and rear batteries. Odd design, everything is so bulky. Questionable buttons. Not lighter then Dura Ace. Absolutely inadequate high price, especially compared to competitors. So... cool but no thanks.
You mentioned the disappearance of Campagnolo from the pro peloton and shop floors. Shimano and to lesser extent SRAM have the marketing budgets to drown out Campagnolo by throwing more money at pro teams and now also TH-cam channels - not to mention a certain Global cycling channel. As a result Shimano gets massive coverage- how many times have you heard 105 group set of the people, or “I’ve upgraded to Ultegra” or “Durace is the best bar none” for example as if there are no other choices. Occasionally SRAM gets mentioned particularly etap or SRAM red being the lightest. Almost never is Campagnolo mentioned except that it’s quirky or bought only by dentists. This is effectively negative marketing and it’s effective. It’s a shame because Campagnolo have and do produce excellent products. I made the switch more than 20 years ago following my frustration with Shimano durability. I would never go back. But many people especially newer cyclists have no idea that there’s an alternative. Obviously Super Record is not for everyone but what about Chorus as an alternative to Ultegra or Veloce as an alternative groupset for the people? How about some reviews? Might be an eye opener to many even if only the awareness alternatives are out there. It would be a great loss if Campagnolo were to slowly disappear.
hope they update the ekar with this shifter setup. and wireless
What's the selling point? Not price, not weight, not innovative, not revolutionary, basically nothing new! Campagnolo, why should I buy this groupset, what's it's stand out feature? Can't see this triggering campagnolos resurgence unfortunately. I was personally hoping they'd go 13 speed and remove the front mech. Controversial, but would have at least been a product that challenged rather than conformed. A suprisingly forgettable product release when they're already late to the party.
So rather than be innovators which they use to be, they have just copied Sram. Plus smashed down a price tag on the new group of £4500. More reasons to avoid Campy. I would rather walk!
why would you not make the derailleur batteries interchangeable like sram, thats a huge letdown..
Because of SRAM patent.
Lovely classy bit of build footage in there. Workshop envy. That groupset is quite expensive isn't it 😮
Wish I was good enough to justify to my wife why I've just sold her car....
It looks like designated more by accountants than passionate group of cyclist with such a rich history. It is big disapointment. Seeing this crap I will guard my old good mechanical 11 speed Super Record groupset like eye in my head.
Just my $.02 but it doesn't look like the shift selectors are very ergonomic, in that you need to adjust your hand position to reach the lower paddle. That's horrible!
i've always been a campy fanatic, but nowdays shimano and sram seems brutally overtaken campy. Battery longevity, gear combo and other details aside, campy seems had to get down and copy the competitors (i have to say this because i can't find anything unique, everything seems already seen).
6:28 jesus christ man, can you torque it down to the spec (42NM)???? that's why the cassette bodies are so dugged up on those wheels.
The most awful groupset out of all electronic ones, astronomical price tag, plus capmy doesn't bring anything new to the table. There is no point of buying this groupset, maybe if you wanted to show off that you can...
No, just No thats a downgrade. Shame on you Campagnolo. The previous version was better.
I was a loyal Campy user for 30 years until I got my last road bike. Have always loved campy equipment. Use Chorus, on par with Ultegra. As the electronic shifting trickles down to the lower groups, I may try it again!!!! All Campy stuff is solid and can be rebuilt never just a throw away and replace.
Are you trying to convince someone that some cheap ass electronics is going to be servicable? Yeah sure. Good luck with that.
@@rosomak8244 I have never been a fan of electronic shifting. Sure there are benefits, but I like to be able to fix my own bikes and to troubleshoot on the road any issues. As I mentioned all Campy components of the past could all be fixed, parts replaced, etc. we will have to see the long term outcome of this shifting technology. I was real sad when Shimano no longer has mechanical systems for Ultegra and Dura Ace. Big mistake IMHO, but will have to see how the market shakes out. I am still running mechanical on my latest gravel bike, SRAM Force/Eagle GX mullet build. But I always follow Campy. If you have never ridden their past components..... lots of firsts from that company. Why they have mostly been race focused, at least they are providing options for the everyday rider as well.
That thing is huge
I can't express how disappointed I am in the lack of thumb shifters. 😭
Makes Shimano look like Currys own brand haha..
Great video! Wouldnt mind keep using the thumb shifter as the new solution looks too close for up and down now... weight wise for the groupset what are the numbers?
SRAM and Shimano might as well call it a day 😂 apparently it doesn’t work that great 😬
what we wanna see is the shifting performance, cost and weight stats. i hope to see that in the next vid David 🙏
I hope so too, working hard to make it happen
@@davidarthur ill be tuning in for sure!
Was there some gravel dirt riding and crash before it was filmed . Set was filthy.
Have to say it looks a lot prettier in the video than on the first pics I saw 😅
Campy Stupid Money Record groupset $5,500++++
The charging Port just exposed without no cover..??
controversial bar tape method! Every other video online starts from the end!
Wrapping the bars starting at the top rather than the norm starting at the bar plug end 🤔🤔
appreciate the first look video! Great work :)
Oh no! They took away my thumb shifter. I love the thumb shifter.
tough sell.... proably stick with the competition.
I’m suffering watching the bar tape go on the wrong way.
I would wind the tape the other way around to prevent getting loose.
Beautiful bike!😮
I'm really happy for Campy for finally emerging into the 21st century. However... Their entire platform is nothing more than a very 'expected' copy (I won't say stolen) of SRAM/Shimano tech. It is clearly behind-the-power-curve out of the box which goes to show how 'un-Agile' Italian designers truly are. To be sure; it is a miracle that Colnago will continue to exist after UAE bought them. Let's hope they do the same with Campagnolo. If I had to guess; I'd say the Italian bike scene is approaching the conclusion of their long and storied history. (They just can't keep up. And they don't even want to...) Whether it is Campagnolo, Colnago, Bianchi, Cippolini, Cinelli, or what have you; they haven't done anything "innovative" since the bicycle 'Renaissance'. They reach a certain level of prolonged dominance and then they just quit. But isn't that the case with all hegemons? There was a time when Italian bicycle hardware dominated the Pro Peloton. But like all civilizations (be it the Roman Empire of antiquity or the US hegemony of today); they all eventually "go to zero". And that is where we're at with Campagnolo now. No matter how hard they try, Shimano is the new dominant player and SRAM will be 'second fiddle'. And poor Campy will simply fade into irrelevance before vanishing without notice.
Cheap toy actuators on batteries are not an invention at all.
Oh cool a more expensive version of SRAM axs.
OMG; that bar-tape wrapping technique, loving it. So he starts from the top, interesting.
Contador used to do this, claimed it gave better grip. Still as a pro it's easy to get someone else to rewrap your bars every week.
Wrapping like this will get everything (dirt, sweat) got stucked under the tape. You gonna love it 😋
Italians + Electronics….not a good match at all….
They might as well start selling it at jewelry stores