Dude, the way you can articulate your driving experience is phenomenal. You always talk about things that matter and don’t try to fit in a bunch of cheesy stuff like in other review videos. Keep doing what you’re doing.
A tune and carbon plenum really wake these cars up...neither will add a ton of power but both make the driving experience and engagement much more enjoyable. Great review, keep the content coming!
I too am a Porsche nerd more than I used to be…but I will always love this car. I think it’s better dynamics at the limit than all but the gt3’s. I almost bought one of these for about $20k as well. In retrospect I wish I had.
The S65 engine has 71 percent torque to power. 295ftlbs/414bhp.The flat 6 in the 911 Gt3 has 346ftlbs and 490bhp..70 percent torque to power. People say the s65 has low torque...it has plenty. It has a normal amount for an NA engine. It actually makes 340 of its 400 nms at just 2000rpms and yet revs to 8300rpms.. What an engine
@@guridhesi I haven’t missed it at all! Go test drive one of these if you can and see if it makes you feel the same way. Both great cars but the M3 better suited my preferences for my use. Ymmv
Try more like 36-42k now for the competition package, 6MT, with few owners, clean title, below 80,000 miles, etc. But it will be worth far more in 5-7 years -my opinion.
Underrated comment. I had an e92 manual and now an e90 dct and I fully believe in going with the best gearbox possible for a car. There was nothing special about the manual gearbox in the e92.
First thing to do on a USA model is to switch the MDM to Euro (ECE) using NCSexpert which will make it less intrusive. Also ditch the Continentals. They have reasonable grip but the steering is definitely less precise at highway speeds compared to Michelin PS4S.
I bought one last year. 6MT Comp pack. Exactly what I wanted. My favorite M3. I wish it had more low end torque tho. You can feel it especially driving in the streets. The engine shines when youre in the upper RPM’s.
Hard for me to accept but Ford made the mustangs so much better 2015+….it really became the spiritual successor to the only V8 m3 ever made, especially as the redline has risen
The increased maintenance costs and higher purchase price are much more important factors to consider. Having another car for daily driving (Civic, Sonata...) would be wise.
E92 m3 weight is 3461 E46 m3 weight is 3443 The made v8 super light Plus plastics fenders Carbon boxer bumper reinforcement front and back So if we talking weight difference there no difference at all
the e92 will be all time classic, the price will go to sky as the last n/a m3! buy it now and sell it in 10 years will be a profit investment for a clean car!
@@rowinglove4ever I do think that’s a possibility but I’m not all the way convinced it’s necessarily going to happen. It didn’t happen for the E36 M3. I notice that most of the cars that go on to be legendary were pretty legendary at the time - E30 M3 was big at the time, E46 M3 huge at the time, GT350 big at the time, Skyline GTR huge are examples. Meanwhile cars like the Foxbody Mustang and the E92 M3 underperformed and had lukewarm responses in sales and from people generally. The S65 motor was praised at the time… no doubt about that. But time has not been kind to it with rod bearings, throttle actuators, etc. Like the foxbody though, the E92 M3 have a growing following but both movements have one major flaw. Their value is tied to people wanting and expecting them to raise in value. The E92 crowd want so badly to be the modern day “Respect your elders” crowd but respect is earned as opposed to being self designated. And FYI, I absolutely do own a E90 6MT but it’s because I like the car and not because I think it’ll raise in value in some crazy way (which I don’t… for the most part)
@@tractioncontroldelete The time will pass and we will see! The reason why i m telling that is so simple! The last n/a m3! There will be people that will be willing and pay to get them like gold! For example f430 manual was the last manual ferrari! Now you can t find any ander 150k when the f1 that was 10k more expensive, today evaluated at half the price and maybe less!
@@rowinglove4ever I hope you’re right actually. But the facts are against the E92 getting on that level. Production for the car started in 2007 yet here we are going into 2022 where BMW still produces a Manual M2, M3, and M4. Even the manual F430 hasn’t kept, much less increased, it’s value. The MSRP of that Ferrari brand new was about $217,000-281,000 - in 2021 dollars that would equate to over $276,000 and up to $358,000 just to maintain it’s value. So even that car hasn’t kept its value if you can purchase one for $150k. And as for the N/A thing - well that isn’t necessarily going to pan out either because if that was the case then the V10 M5 would just as well rise in value. Think about it… V10 N/A engine and available with a manual transmission BUT it has not risen, maintained, or even avoided further deflation of its “value” I’m just not seeing it as no metric suggests per capita dollar rising. But again, I hope you are right so I can sell my car and take a nice vacation. Until then, I’ll enjoy it while I’ve got it.
I don't think it's worth more than $35k, because the F80 M3 is starting to drop in price to this range. While the E9x M3 is very entertaining, it's got reliability issues all over the places. F80 M3s not only performs better but it cost way lower to maintain and modify. The F80 chasis and tech is just amazing compared to E9x. The main reason for the E9x M3 is the v8 and the hydraulic steering rack which gives it a raw feel. But I assure you that driving the F80 M3 will inspire much more confidence.
That said, have you driven the Z4 M coupe/roaster or the z3 m coupe? I’d pay for a direct to dvd comparison video of you driving those two cars and sharing your thoughts.
I just totaled my 2011 M3 e92 competition 😭😭😭 I was looking for another but finding the right specs and prices ehhhh. It’s the Only M I’ve owned and more than likely my last. Plan on jumping into a different platform GTR or something completely different a Jeep Gladiator. Don’t know what to do lol 🤔
Nice review, I like all the driving impression talk/comparison, I get tired of repeating the same facts/stuff you hear everywhere. "Guzzles gas like no other" -- hehe, I'd love to get 250 miles out of tank from my W204 C63. I'm happily doing around 10.5 mpg in backroads driving for about 160 miles before filling up.
Still wondering what the price difference will be between 6mt vs dct in , 5, 10, 20, etc. years from now. Along with the 2 different dashboards. The one with the screen vs the one without (don’t know proper terms) Trying to find one I will enjoy along that might hold value better, kinda like the dct.
@@Cle_M3 i have an opportunity to buy an e93 m3 with about 80k miles for low 20ks clean title, no accidents, super clean inside and out and two owners on record. Should i pull the trigger?
@@Cle_M3 you really think dct over 6mt?? I definitely think the non-navigation will help the value as screens date cars like crazy. One of the reasons the f40 is so Timless. Regardless they will still appreciate as I, and many others see it as the last great M car and as the most special, refined, and attractive M car to ever be produced.
@@fredjay1531 as Clarence said I would definitely go for a hardtop. Preferably a coupe with the comp package (carbon roof) and if you could find one in a state like; Cali, Florida, Texas, etc. where there is no salt on the roads that would be best to prevent rust and things like that. Still am interested to see how the dct vs 6mt pairs out. Both VERY amazing gearboxes
For tight parking spots get the widows coded to come halfway down on opening the door or like me double push unlock on fob. Only have to open door a fraction to get in, gota love those frameless windows, and beats the corner of the window to the tit OUCH!
Can you do a video comparing driving dynamics between your 997 vs the m3? Surprised that you said comparable at the limits. To me, there’s no question that the 997 feels better, not necessarily faster tho
I mean i seen 2jz’s & supras gaining more interest and price so i bought my 335i n54, i figure it will do the same eventually since there similar, possibly passing m3’s in pricing
E90x m3 way to overpriced very slow in torque for a V8 the rod bearings are guaranteed to fail you all my 335i's I've had no rod bearings issues whatsoever..
My infiniti G37 WALKS THESE. From a dig and a roll these are so slow. Any G37 or even Scatpacks will take these like nothing. But the F80 M3 thats a different MONSTER
Have you personally had bad experience with this generation M3? I’m on my 4th E9x M3, and they have been nothing but reliable. Frequent oil changes, and keeping up with scheduled maintenance is all you need to do (rod bearings and TBAs aside) to climb up to that 150k+ mile range.
It’s all about the maintenance. Maintain it and they’ll last longer than you’ll want it. Don’t maintain it and you’ll be pissed and your wallet will be empty.
Agree completely. I love my M3 and Its immaculate under 50k miles. Rod bearings, throttle actuators, brakes and rotors, wheel speed sensors, tire pressure sensors, tires, fuel pressure sensor, new oil fill cap a couple other sensors and put all the leather care and cleaning and washing supplies because it’s an M3. This was all in the last year and cost almost $9,000. Granted some of these things will hopefully never need to be done again but still a lot of electrical problems this year.
Will you consider doing a video for Lexus ISF?
Stay tuned on 8/28 😉
@@Zygrene YAAAS
Sorry, make that 9/4. Got a different video dropping on 8/28 😅
@@Zygrene Just Subscribed!
@@JacesOwnWorld Except reliability. I've never seen an ISF that didn't make 200k+, mine was at 206k and drove like new.
Dude, the way you can articulate your driving experience is phenomenal. You always talk about things that matter and don’t try to fit in a bunch of cheesy stuff like in other review videos. Keep doing what you’re doing.
A tune and carbon plenum really wake these cars up...neither will add a ton of power but both make the driving experience and engagement much more enjoyable.
Great review, keep the content coming!
I too am a Porsche nerd more than I used to be…but I will always love this car. I think it’s better dynamics at the limit than all but the gt3’s. I almost bought one of these for about $20k as well. In retrospect I wish I had.
The S65 engine has 71 percent torque to power. 295ftlbs/414bhp.The flat 6 in the 911 Gt3 has 346ftlbs and 490bhp..70 percent torque to power. People say the s65 has low torque...it has plenty. It has a normal amount for an NA engine. It actually makes 340 of its 400 nms at just 2000rpms and yet revs to 8300rpms.. What an engine
what're the respective torque to weight ratios though?
LT1 V8 has 100% torque to power NA
I made the switch from a 987.1S about a year and a half ago and never looked back. I love my E92 M3
Im right where you are right now. Please tell me you havent missed your 987 a single day since lol and ill make the switch!
@@guridhesi I haven’t missed it at all!
Go test drive one of these if you can and see if it makes you feel the same way. Both great cars but the M3 better suited my preferences for my use. Ymmv
I have both e90m3 and 987.1 with manual and overall very good. Not sure which one I would ever part with. Maybe my 718 pdk
Just picked up an e90 with 77k miles for 28k and I’m loving it so far!
Ouch…
@@robsnow2099 ?
@@robsnow2099 that’s a pretty good deal lol
@@arhumtanveer6580 it’s a lil much
@@yozna9463 uhhh have you been under a rock for the past six months? Used cars have gone up like 30%…especially M3s
Try more like 36-42k now for the competition package, 6MT, with few owners, clean title, below 80,000 miles, etc. But it will be worth far more in 5-7 years -my opinion.
The shifter and clutch feel is pure trash, but with an Auto Solutions SSK, and UCP clutch pedal - it’ll feel 80% as good as a GT3.
I agree, I thought it was just how I drive. Glad to hear others say the clutch and shifter are trash
Yeah. I usually say the manual is the way to go, but with the E92 M3 the DCT is 100% the move.
You gotta get the DCT mate, overall its the better choice when it comes to this generation M3.
Nah, feel fine to me! 😛
DCT is the way to go on the e9x M3.
Underrated comment. I had an e92 manual and now an e90 dct and I fully believe in going with the best gearbox possible for a car. There was nothing special about the manual gearbox in the e92.
@@philly9403 preach brother!
Hate to admit it but you're right. BMW manuals kinda suck. DCT is amazing.
this car was designed with the DCT in mind and very underrated comment!
Love the dct no way I am as fast as the dct with a manual trans.
All cars are appreciating. Even the shitty ones. 350z rice mobiles have appreciated greatly
Seriously
@@JacesOwnWorld i swear soon as i start getting to any car it start to go up like wtf
350z rice mobiles ?
One of all time great engines. No hardship to keep it between 5-8k!
First thing to do on a USA model is to switch the MDM to Euro (ECE) using NCSexpert which will make it less intrusive. Also ditch the Continentals. They have reasonable grip but the steering is definitely less precise at highway speeds compared to Michelin PS4S.
I have both: 2009 6sp manual e92 M3 and a 2007 Porsche Carerra S manual. 2 completely diffent vehicles. Love them both!
I bought one last year. 6MT Comp pack. Exactly what I wanted. My favorite M3. I wish it had more low end torque tho. You can feel it especially driving in the streets. The engine shines when youre in the upper RPM’s.
It makes 340nms of torque at 2000rpms. Heaps
Yep, that and it has a higher rev range than most V8s.
Thank you for pronouncing Porsche correctly. Great video
Glad to know I’m not the only one that finds the E90 facelift sedan looks better than the E92. Great review!
Never.
I hate that they put the nose of the coupe on the LCI M3 e90 sedan, the headlights of the normal LCI sedan look so much nicer.
Hard for me to accept but Ford made the mustangs so much better 2015+….it really became the spiritual successor to the only V8 m3 ever made, especially as the redline has risen
Man, truly excellent review... keep it up!!
I would imagine any performance V8 domestic or import is gonna guzzle gas, something to factor in when deciding on a performance car.
The increased maintenance costs and higher purchase price are much more important factors to consider. Having another car for daily driving (Civic, Sonata...) would be wise.
E92 m3 weight is 3461
E46 m3 weight is 3443
The made v8 super light
Plus plastics fenders
Carbon boxer bumper reinforcement front and back
So if we talking weight difference there no difference at all
I think the used e92 M3 is overvalued by at least $10-12k. I have seen several these cars on the used market not sold for months and counting.
Agreed. The prices are definitely rising but they don’t seem to be actually selling lol
the e92 will be all time classic, the price will go to sky as the last n/a m3! buy it now and sell it in 10 years will be a profit investment for a clean car!
@@rowinglove4ever I do think that’s a possibility but I’m not all the way convinced it’s necessarily going to happen. It didn’t happen for the E36 M3. I notice that most of the cars that go on to be legendary were pretty legendary at the time - E30 M3 was big at the time, E46 M3 huge at the time, GT350 big at the time, Skyline GTR huge are examples. Meanwhile cars like the Foxbody Mustang and the E92 M3 underperformed and had lukewarm responses in sales and from people generally.
The S65 motor was praised at the time… no doubt about that. But time has not been kind to it with rod bearings, throttle actuators, etc. Like the foxbody though, the E92 M3 have a growing following but both movements have one major flaw. Their value is tied to people wanting and expecting them to raise in value. The E92 crowd want so badly to be the modern day “Respect your elders” crowd but respect is earned as opposed to being self designated.
And FYI, I absolutely do own a E90 6MT but it’s because I like the car and not because I think it’ll raise in value in some crazy way (which I don’t… for the most part)
@@tractioncontroldelete The time will pass and we will see! The reason why i m telling that is so simple! The last n/a m3! There will be people that will be willing and pay to get them like gold! For example f430 manual was the last manual ferrari! Now you can t find any ander 150k when the f1 that was 10k more expensive, today evaluated at half the price and maybe less!
@@rowinglove4ever I hope you’re right actually. But the facts are against the E92 getting on that level. Production for the car started in 2007 yet here we are going into 2022 where BMW still produces a Manual M2, M3, and M4. Even the manual F430 hasn’t kept, much less increased, it’s value. The MSRP of that Ferrari brand new was about $217,000-281,000 - in 2021 dollars that would equate to over $276,000 and up to $358,000 just to maintain it’s value. So even that car hasn’t kept its value if you can purchase one for $150k.
And as for the N/A thing - well that isn’t necessarily going to pan out either because if that was the case then the V10 M5 would just as well rise in value. Think about it… V10 N/A engine and available with a manual transmission BUT it has not risen, maintained, or even avoided further deflation of its “value”
I’m just not seeing it as no metric suggests per capita dollar rising. But again, I hope you are right so I can sell my car and take a nice vacation. Until then, I’ll enjoy it while I’ve got it.
It's a shame. These were going for under $20k with some miles on them before Covid.
this guys is pure bmw guy. i love it
I don't think it's worth more than $35k, because the F80 M3 is starting to drop in price to this range. While the E9x M3 is very entertaining, it's got reliability issues all over the places. F80 M3s not only performs better but it cost way lower to maintain and modify. The F80 chasis and tech is just amazing compared to E9x. The main reason for the E9x M3 is the v8 and the hydraulic steering rack which gives it a raw feel. But I assure you that driving the F80 M3 will inspire much more confidence.
That said, have you driven the Z4 M coupe/roaster or the z3 m coupe? I’d pay for a direct to dvd comparison video of you driving those two cars and sharing your thoughts.
Great vid! I wouldn't mind seeing a comparison to the F82 M4 if you got the time/cars.
I just totaled my 2011 M3 e92 competition 😭😭😭
I was looking for another but finding the right specs and prices ehhhh.
It’s the Only M I’ve owned and more than likely my last. Plan on jumping into a different platform GTR or something completely different a Jeep Gladiator. Don’t know what to do lol 🤔
that must suckkkk
Nice review, I like all the driving impression talk/comparison, I get tired of repeating the same facts/stuff you hear everywhere. "Guzzles gas like no other" -- hehe, I'd love to get 250 miles out of tank from my W204 C63. I'm happily doing around 10.5 mpg in backroads driving for about 160 miles before filling up.
Best M car ever made along with the E39 M5
Nice details as always!
One of my favorite M3's! I wonder whats the ownership cost vs your porsche
My 997 cost of ownership has been high because of a fairly rare problem. I think an average 997 would have similar cost of ownership to an E92
So you think the saloon version is more stylish than the coupe. Are you nuts 🤦🏽
I wish my garage was that clean.
Ive thought about buying an e92 m3 does the v8 live up to the hype?
I love my M3. Very fast cars. I'm going to supercharge mine in the near future.
Bought my E92, 88,000 miles, comp, convenience
Did you close your garage though bro?
you switch cars more than me and im a car guy too haha
Is the e92 m3 worth selling my 6th gen ss 1le for? I’m speaking in regards to driving dynamics (we have the same taste) and driver emotion?
is it really appreciating in value? i bought a 2011 e92 m3 DKG ZCP (competition pack) in 2020. i love it. all original. it only has 64000 km!
Your English is really good
Still wondering what the price difference will be between 6mt vs dct in , 5, 10, 20, etc. years from now. Along with the 2 different dashboards. The one with the screen vs the one without (don’t know proper terms)
Trying to find one I will enjoy along that might hold value better, kinda like the dct.
I think a clean comp pkg in dct, mines a '13 e92 comp dct bought it 2 years ago and values up 2k since
@@Cle_M3 i have an opportunity to buy an e93 m3 with about 80k miles for low 20ks clean title, no accidents, super clean inside and out and two owners on record. Should i pull the trigger?
@@fredjay1531 I would try and buy a coupe or sedan if you're looking for a future investment. With m3's they tend to hold their value better
@@Cle_M3 you really think dct over 6mt?? I definitely think the non-navigation will help the value as screens date cars like crazy. One of the reasons the f40 is so Timless. Regardless they will still appreciate as I, and many others see it as the last great M car and as the most special, refined, and attractive M car to ever be produced.
@@fredjay1531 as Clarence said I would definitely go for a hardtop. Preferably a coupe with the comp package (carbon roof) and if you could find one in a state like; Cali, Florida, Texas, etc. where there is no salt on the roads that would be best to prevent rust and things like that. Still am interested to see how the dct vs 6mt pairs out. Both VERY amazing gearboxes
For tight parking spots get the widows coded to come halfway down on opening the door or like me double push unlock on fob.
Only have to open door a fraction to get in, gota love those frameless windows, and beats the corner of the window to the tit OUCH!
Yeah bmw calls it easy entry and you can code it using NCS expert
In the video you said you came from an S2k i currently have an s2k was wondering how would you comepare the two.
I'd love to see you do an E39 M5!
Should be reviewing one in about a month!
im getting one for my 19th birthday, ive been saving and I got 7 months left
Enjoy. 👍👍👍
Bruhhh 😅 nobody should be driving this as daily driver unless you can burn that cash and still be fine.
Valve cover gasket, is definitely a pain and big cost at shops. So yes, look at that, oil cooler housing and oil pan. Those all were big cost to me
Friend and I swop cars... DRIVE IT LIKE ITS STOLEN... Breaks down 2 months later!
Swap 😂
Yes
Mines road ?
Nah, the coupe looks much better 😉😛
I like to see you do a video on a lexus sc300
en china it is impossible to fined e92 m3 MT
Still a nice good looking car, man, plus it's a manual transmission.
#savethemanuals
i make $20.00 an hr do you think i could afford this car ???? plz let me know
Bruhhh I make 130k and I’m not sure if it’s a smart idea for me 😂 a little bad luck and you’d have to cough up 3k before you drive it again.
@@megaprimegamer1184 i got 3k for that tho Imao I make 20k but im good at saving
i thought it was 8400 redline?
I had a BMW in the past, a 2003 BMW 330ci...it was PURE TRASH and a headache.
Broken Motors Weekly. Cost more to own than to buy.
That's not an 2008-2013 e9x.. No where near 🤷🏻♂️
Very informative comparison with the Porsche. The weight, reliability and fuel economy are the reasons I avoided the M3 and went for the 328i instead.
Of course is that even a question lol
Can you do a video comparing driving dynamics between your 997 vs the m3? Surprised that you said comparable at the limits. To me, there’s no question that the 997 feels better, not necessarily faster tho
Needs a exhaust
Sell the 997 it is not you. We can tell that you are not happy with it.
Really? Actually I quite enjoy it, now that the misfiring issue is gone
I wonder if prices will be affected when the IS500 comes out.
I don't believe you mentioned a corvette in the same sentence as a E92.........Playboy. 2:29 out of here......
There is nothing timeless about that interior. I’ve never liked BMW interiors.
opinion
I mean i seen 2jz’s & supras gaining more interest and price so i bought my 335i n54, i figure it will do the same eventually since there similar, possibly passing m3’s in pricing
nice
The torque is no good in low rpm range boosted 335i is way faster and cheaper...
And way less reliable n54 or n55 bar the rod bearings
E90x m3 way to overpriced very slow in torque for a V8 the rod bearings are guaranteed to fail you all my 335i's I've had no rod bearings issues whatsoever..
An M3 is a cult. A 335i is simply a 335i and definitely sees the tail lights of the M3 on the racetrack.
Every M3 I came across that wasn't the case lol... 700 whp 690 pounds of torque..
@@bmw-rebuilder-8639The comparison between a tuned up 335i and a stock M3 is absolutely ridiculous. And the M3 is still cult.
wash it before you make a video lol
My infiniti G37 WALKS THESE. From a dig and a roll these are so slow. Any G37 or even Scatpacks will take these like nothing. But the F80 M3 thats a different MONSTER
Do you even turn bro?
M3’s were never meant for straight line racing
That is a straight lie I have n55 335i e92 n walk g37 and scatpack stock highway and red lights the people u racing need a driver mods
Them gs only fast with forced induction that's y they high schoolers cars
Nice joke buddy.
*No,who wants to deal with BMW headaches, repairs & high cost of maintenance, even if its a M3 its still a BMW at the end of the day*
Have you personally had bad experience with this generation M3? I’m on my 4th E9x M3, and they have been nothing but reliable. Frequent oil changes, and keeping up with scheduled maintenance is all you need to do (rod bearings and TBAs aside) to climb up to that 150k+ mile range.
@@gt1r I own an E90 M3 (currently at 175k mi) and you are 100% correct.
Apparently, since they are in such high demand and prices are steadily climbing, your statement lacks any credibility.
It’s all about the maintenance. Maintain it and they’ll last longer than you’ll want it. Don’t maintain it and you’ll be pissed and your wallet will be empty.
Agree completely. I love my M3 and Its immaculate under 50k miles. Rod bearings, throttle actuators, brakes and rotors, wheel speed sensors, tire pressure sensors, tires, fuel pressure sensor, new oil fill cap a couple other sensors and put all the leather care and cleaning and washing supplies because it’s an M3. This was all in the last year and cost almost $9,000. Granted some of these things will hopefully never need to be done again but still a lot of electrical problems this year.