One thing to consider if you spend a lot of money on a high mileage car is to get ‘agreed value insurance’ so if the car is written off you won’t be left out of pocket. A standard insurance policy will just offer you the market rate for a high mileage example
The agreed value has to be at or around market value. You can't buy a £16k car and insurer it for £30k and expect £30k You'd have to demonstrate how you've determined that value, especially if you didn't pay that much
If you have that much money sitting in your bank account, that means you are not investing your money properly. Money sitting in the bank doesn't really do anything for you because interest rates are so low. It's better to have $1 million in a place where it can make you 5% on returns rather than having that $1 million sitting in your bank account making you 0.5% returns.
@Jayton Buckner Personally, I started investing last summer and it's been series of losses for me. I'm finding it very difficult to make sustainable profits at this point, I'm getting extremely frustrated.
The psychological effects of investing is real. I ventured into a business as an extra source of income before I decide to purchase my first supercar but the truth is all I've done is incure minor losses. So be very grateful you have a Professional who helps and advises you.
@@paco1661 I plan on keeping it forever so I did the 100k mile parts canon. Front and rear kits from FCP Euro for about $1500 USD total. Not to hard to replace. Brand new car.
A very informative series and balanced view. I have had my E92 M3 for 7 years and 40'000 miles, and still love driving daily. Its Xmas present (Eventuri Plenum) made all the difference to the driving experience. I foresee the Stage II upgrade next.
Sounds like you’ve enjoyed it so far! Carbon Plenum and Stage 2 (+ GTS DCT if applicable) really transforms the car in to what it should be personality wise.
Great IDEA, great PREMISE tested !!! This is exactly what every single buyer ponders about. I love the point at the end, if you are buying for investment and don't care about your personal enjoyment buy the lower mileage (you shouldn't be buying cars for investments to begin with, there are better investment commodities) but if you are buying for your personal enjoyment, by all means, spend the same (buy the higher mileage and replace key components) and enjoy a car that feels pretty close when it was brand new and cost a million dollars/pounds! lol :D
Great series can’t wait for the next stage on the blue on what would be good is to do a e46 series as more people seem to prefer them from what i believe
It is often the better approach to put the money into a lower mileage, better example - but there is a certain satisfaction that comes with knowing you did the restoration/upgrades.
I’ve done exactly what you have done with the high mileage car, I bought a e90 m3 with 100k needed lots of work, I’ve also replaced every bush after watching your video, I would say I’ve spent around 8k aswel I only paid 13k for my car on a 08 plate. The car feels brand new I love it, I have never drove a low mileage m3 so nothing to compare to so watching this justify’ me spending the money 😊
Nice advise.👍 Thanks for your honest opinion. I could watch this clip over and over just for the sake of the NA sound. Compact and nice E series (E90, E92, etc) to look at even after a decade. I can't say the same for the F series. Don't even get me started on the G series. Watch the value of the Piggy Nose (G series) depreciate like waterfall. I don't know what BMW was thinking? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Loving the conclusion and seeing the results on the blue car. The Japan Red car sounds mental, the intake upgrades are worth every penny just for that insane induction noise.
@@EvolveAutomotive yo Imran! Excellent work as ever buddy but I’m going to ask you a serious question here and I’m sure there are many other BMW fans who would love to see some content from you on an BMW that is a Alpina version and what your thoughts are and how evolve could improve it or add to it’s character, would be great content but your the expert so I’ll leave it up to you
I have an e92 335i with 155k+ in the clock and watching this really makes me want to do this refurb job on it. The e92s are still some of the beat looking 3 series BMs IMO.
Other things to also consider on a higher mileage car is the paint/body work condition and interior condition. Although interior/exterior condition isn’t a sliding scale, higher mileage/older cars are more likely to be in a worse condition
I bought a 2007 e92 m3 with 95k miles back in October for £14.5k. It’s got a full main dealer/specialist service history and throttle accs/rod bearings done at 87k miles. Interior is cleaner than most 66 plate cars. It needed an idler pulley when I bought it so was making a whine when warmed up. I’ve replaced all pulleys and belts as preventative maintenance. There’s diamonds in the rough.
The way you have to look at is depends on how its been looked after if its had the rod bearings etc done, you can spend 24k on one then still have to sort the common issues Where the higher mileage would already have them done
Brilliant car. E93. I had it just over 7 years. General maintenance but throttle actuators were replaced after 5 years. Apart from that was a very reliable car. Had the e46 M3 before that, and a few issues with the SMG gearbox and Vanos. Upgraded to a M6 f12 2016. Hopefully will be reliable. Power compared to the e93, e46, e36, is a lot more. Spins in most gears.
@@FnGRZupraHi. Yes. My most reliable M car. Out of the e36 and e46. The e93 was brilliant. Just watch out for Throttle actuators and lower rod bearings ( never floor it when the engine is cold )
Firstly, throughly enjoyed the video. Can’t fault your thinking Imran. Having said that after hearing the Japan read noise I would probably throw all caution to the wind and buy and absolute DOG as long as it sounded like that! What a tune ❤❤❤
We’re here 9-6 Mon-Fri, always happy to take someone out to experience it for themselves. If you contact us to book it in we can make sure the car is available and has fuel (quite hard to keep fuel in an S65 😅)
Watching this I couldn't stop thinking about how I now associate Evolve with M3s ,I have learnt something for my business 👏💥👌 Great video,always straight to the point and no funny pranks
I did the same with my e92 330d… shocks,springs,all the suspension arms,bushes etc,had the engine walnut shell blasted & a host of other preventative maintanance.It was like night & day.I had bought all the parts & was gonna get a indi to do the work but then lockdown came up & I decided to try it myself.it was a steep learning curve … had axle grinders & got more tools now then a fcuking garage 😂.Was worth all the hassle & now I’ll try anything.Next up is the cooling system refresh.The sound coming out of the red un is like porn😂
Nice video l would probably go for the lower mileage car keep on saving as it seems like it would be less headache also if you by a cheeper car you then have to invest in a good mechanic if you don’t that £8000 could be £16000 and the car may still not right if it’s low mileage as the car gets more mileage it’s your mileage so you know how the car has been looked after and driven that’s important especially for a bmw m3. Keep the videos coming 👏🏾👍🏾👊🏽
One thing you have to consider in this situation is engine longevity. At some point the engine on the higher mileage car is going to need a full rebuild or at least a partial one, where as the lower mileage one is going to last twice as long before such rebuild is necessary.
That was an excellent project. Seeing the prices go up… lots put up for sale, to meet the demand (assume a lot of people will try to jump back in, when the prices are suitably low) and now falling has been interesting. Also, variances on pricing, over the years. I bought my ‘12 e92 nearly 6yrs ago, for £26K, with 34K miles. I’ve easily pumped £10K into it, between maint and mods (BBK, KW v3 coilovers, Bush refresh and rear subframe rebuild, S/S cat-back, RBs, TAs, Pre-cat delete/Stage 2/DCT flash, CF intake system (Eventuri/AFe/Carbon Factory) K-bar (highly recommend, if you have flip down rear seats) and Mumbray under-tray) Now has 87K miles… sounds the nuts… handles fantastically (to me) and I’ve no plan to sell, anytime soon. I just accept that I’ll never recover that extra money, and enjoy the ride. 😊 Well… until the next ‘wallet-draining’ expense pops up 🙄😂
I’ve learnt that one the hard way. Always spend as much as possible on any kind of car which you’re buying as an investment. Original paint is a big factor in terms of value in older cars. No respray will ever be recouped or fetch the same as a mint factory paint equivalent. It all comes down to finances and how you plan on using the car. If you’re buying it to drive and enjoy then a high mileage car isn’t such a negative factor. It’s probably the better option with the additional refurbishment money to make it drive sweet again. But potentially more of a headache than just buying a clean low mileage car.
@@S54VR6 just because you don't know much about buying cars and keep losing money on them, doesn't mean everyone else is making the same mistakes as you.
The answer is buy one with double the mileage for half the price that someone else recently did ask is the necessary maintenance on and won’t see any of that money back.
Only issue when comparing to the 70k mile blue M3 is you still don't know if any thing needs to be replaced, thus yes it might cost 24k but might need money spent to make it right.
@@EvolveAutomotive Haha. I have one. An e90 M3. I’ve had it for 9 years. The only car in my possession that I have kept longer than 3 years. No plans to part ways! I need that Eventuri in my life! I felt the bark of the downshifts across the pond over in the US, mate.😎
Great video. Have always loved the E92 M3 and have considered getting one but have been put off by potentially ruinous running costs. That red car sounded fantastic. How much is the (Eventuri Plenum) upgrade and stage 2 upgrade?
Fuel and tax is quite expensive on these cars but in reality the maintenance isn’t that bad once a few one time things are out of the way. For an accurate price either visit our website www.evolveautomotive.com or email sales@evolveautomotive.com
Hi Imran , with regards to high mileage cars I have a bmw 640d grab coupe with 180k on the clock it’s drives and performs absolutely perfectly like a low mileage car , what would your views be on remapping a car with this sort of miles ? Thank you 🙏🏼
Bought my e92 with 75,000 miles in 2018. Since then I’ve driven it across the country, driven it up the west coast, taken it out to the Mojave Desert a scary distance from a gas station and made some unbelievable memories. At 100k miles now, it’s ready for some paintwork here and there and the suspension is ready to be freshened up (RBs done, TAs still OG). The important thing I came here to convey is… if I’d bought a 25k mile M3, I’d have been reluctant to do what brings me the most enjoyment… and that’s drive it. This is going to be a forever car (it’s not my primary, it’s paid for, etc)… so I don’t really care about resale. It was more important that I could enjoy it without worrying about killing the value with miles or having that garage queen where the low miles are the wow factor as opposed to the adventures I’ve had with it. The car is in great shape and with about $5k-$7k invested it’ll be as pristine as a 10k mile example again, but one that I’m not hesitant to enjoy outside of my garage.
Not a fan of the car with a manual. It was designed for the DCT, and out of the box the gearing is too long on the manual. Haven’t driven one with a shorter rear diff but the DCT is just so good.
I had a manual, they have the classic bmw notchyness but I loved it! More engaging than any auto. There's something very memorable about blipping the throttle on downshifts yourself. Gear ratios aren't too bad either, compared with a Cayman it's geared short!
Hey Iram I have a 2000 e39, I'm looking to get the original front seat covers because the current ones all cracked up...any suggestions as to where I can get them
I have a higher mileage (70k) jaguar xfr. Had for almost 10 years and its still an absolute beast. Had it tuned/cammed/full exhaust, i dont race it but i do get M3s that prod n nudge for a race. Older sports cars if you do your homework can be great
Bought myself an e85 tuned e90 m3 with 130k for 22k 6 months ago and have put 8k miles already, the car is an animal for what it is, have beaten 392 chargers, have been toe to toe with m340i’s, and have beaten some tuned 335i’s
These cars really are superb. I'm surprised that prices haven't blown up even more, but it's only a matter of time. They're just in a different league to the soulless roadgoing gadgets being churned out by most manufacturers today.
Upsides and downsides of course, upsides the low mileage has obviously had less time on the road, but that doesn't tell you about how it's been driven, the high mileage one, well you'll be going through it anyway to get it all back to spec, at which point you will see exactly what condition the vehicles in, i would say it's actually not worth the higher price at that point, get it as cheap as possible with the exception of having a fully working motor, and refurbish it, much more sense.
Another thing to consider, beyond investment is if you're buying to drive it often, clocking up even more miles, might as well go high mileage and then refresh? And then continue to refresh over time?
It’s all things to weigh up for sure, if you want to put a serious amount of mileage on the car then it could be worth going for a car that has already had the mileage depreciation hit.
I bought a high mileage e93 m3. It had about 206,000 miles. Did exactly what you did and replaced a bunch of parts, probably around 8000 canadian dollars in parts. Currently has 212,000 miles and drives brand new. The only thing I didn't change were the rod bearings. They are original.
Email 206,000 miles or kilometres? My e93 has 122,000 kilometres I’m planning on doing the rod bearings in March lol. U are brave for not doing them tho lol
I bought my Monte Carlo edition 6 years ago its on around 80k miles now, I absolutely love it! I've done mods from supercharging, to a digital cluster, to M4 competition seats, the list goes on! Lol! I could never sell it now I don't think!
Just bought a clean title space grey e92 m3 DCT Clean CA TITLE 99k miles , over black novillo leather interior with quad tip muffler delete. Paid 17.4k Sounds absolutely bonkers and pulls like no one’s business. A little less torque coming from an n54 but nevertheless feels so solid 😮 great video m8.
I bought a not so cheap, with a bit of high mile E90 M3. Had about 81k miles when I bought it for about $29k US. I've put about $10k in maintenance (con rod bearings, motor mounts, spark plugs, bmw brakes all the way around, front lower control arms and torsion rods, fuel tank breather valve, valve cover gasket, one bank throttle actuator). Car is still completely stock outside of a K&N drop in filter. So for essentially 40k, was it worth it? I am not entirely sure. My issue is, what else could I have bought for 40k. F10 M5 maybe, but then what maintenance would it have needed from there. So, yes I am happy with the car, V8 sounds amazing. Right now its a keeper.
A question for you guys: Would the DCT gearbox from this car fit into my V10 late 07 plate M5 , I know the manual gearboxes have been done ( I had a quote for around 6k ) but I don’t think I’ve read about anyone fitting the DCT ? It would be interesting to watch and find out.
@@EvolveAutomotive if it could be done I would probably veer towards a DCT gearbox more then the manual tbh unlike my previous car ( E46 M3 )which would be the manual imo. Can’t wait for someone to have a go 😎👍
Congrats on the new car! Rod Bearings are 100% the first thing we would do, then as long as the car drove acceptably (as in better than the 152k mile one did!) I think the next thing would probably be an Eventuri Carbon Plenum, I mean just listen to it 🤤
@@EvolveAutomotive The plan for the M3 was not to modify it, simply to refresh bits and make it a nice road car, as i have a horrible caged track car already. Then i found your channel....and it's drawing me towards modifications :D
We love our Japan Red car as a pure road car! it’s comfortable, easy to drive in traffic, doesn’t drone on long journeys and is well suited to back roads. In fact if you can stomach the high running costs they really do make great every day cars.
@@EvolveAutomotive Regarding your primary cat delete and map, does this work with different intake and exhaust combinations. For example, primary cat delete, OEM rear exhaust and intake, or do you need to tweak the map to adjust for different set ups?
Small detail. The BMW E9X M3 OE suspension parts are made by TRW and are much cheaper than the same BMW OEM suspension components. The subframe work was overkill, and would be super-expensive.
Yes, we mention that in all the individual videos and the prices are based on TRW components where possible. Also in the subframe video we mention that our specific subframe was past saving, and was frankly unsafe. So we had to replace and opted for brand new. You could have bought a used one or not needed to replace at all if the subframe was in better condition. We do honestly believe every component we have changed was necessary in bringing the car up to a standard we are happy with. Unfortunately the biggest change was the rear subframe and it is the most involved and expensive job to carry out.
I was buying a 145k mile e63 M6 last year for 12k euros and a Tag Heuer watch lol I backed out cause I didn't trust it to make it over to you guys to the rod bearings and other things so went for 440i instead😂😂
An interesting experiment, I predicted this outcome. I think changing suspension parts on any car over 10 years old and 50,000 miles will make a big difference to how it drives, well worth doing on a performance car but maybe not bother on something like a Toyota Corolla 😂
Flipping the car vs keeping it? The lower milage (red) car, cost more and you'll still need to do the suspension refresh. Instead of being similar in cost after you did the work on the blue one, the red will be in the mid to upper 30's when you're done. If I was the owner of the blue one, I'd know that I was done spending money on the major items and I could just enjoy. If I bought the red one, even with lower mileage, I would KNOW that I had more work to do.
Nah! I don't know how to replace the rod bearings, and the car is to heavy to lift up. Those test pipes won't pass smog testing even with a tune anymore.
Still two beautiful looking cars even by todays standards! I remember seeing these brand new in the dealerships and hating them as they looked too smooth compared to the e46 but now I can definitely appreciate them both for what they are
I guess if you bought the lower mileage one, you would still end up spending some money on it, even if you didn't go all the way - so it will still be more expensive than the higher mileage car. Part of me likes 'saving' the older unloved cars, although this is definately worse for your wallet overall as you say in the video!
Very big, the high mileage car pretty much every panel could do with being repainted, either dents, deep scratches or poor repairs. Our Japan Red car has also had a few bits painted though and an intensive detail. We did not discuss things such as exterior/interior wear as these factors are very individual to each car. They obviously play some part in the price of the car so is something to factor in. Again typically fixing bad paint/interior will cost more than paying extra for one that is good.
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One thing to consider if you spend a lot of money on a high mileage car is to get ‘agreed value insurance’ so if the car is written off you won’t be left out of pocket. A standard insurance policy will just offer you the market rate for a high mileage example
The agreed value has to be at or around market value. You can't buy a £16k car and insurer it for £30k and expect £30k
You'd have to demonstrate how you've determined that value, especially if you didn't pay that much
If you got 10x the price sitting in your bank account... you already making bad financial decision lmao
If you have that much money sitting in your bank account, that means you are not investing your money properly. Money sitting in the bank doesn't really do anything for you because interest rates are so low. It's better to have $1 million in a place where it can make you 5% on returns rather than having that $1 million sitting in your bank account making you 0.5% returns.
@Jayton Buckner Personally, I started investing last summer and it's been series of losses for me. I'm finding it very difficult to make sustainable profits at this point, I'm getting extremely frustrated.
The psychological effects of investing is real. I ventured into a business as an extra source of income before I decide to purchase my first supercar but the truth is all I've done is incure minor losses. So be very grateful you have a Professional who helps and advises you.
Great to watch your channel, very proffessional in the way you deliver your content.
Bloody good video series! Watched it all in one sitting. Excellent, thorough and detailed.
I like this guy a lot ! Incredibly honest and informative. I would use them in a heart beat.
Finally!
Been waiting for this update. Cant wait for the next 100 E92 videos.🤗
That was extremely helpful! Thank you
Amazing review, & analysis. Can't wait to have my M3 someday soon.
Thanks keep these series up. E90 M3s are the best ever. Love these videos
Thanks for the comparison!
Awesome project/series...thankyou
Thanks for a great series ! I’ve since used your approach for the suspension upgrades 👍🏽
My refresh parts arrived this week and I am excited to redo the suspension. Hoping for a nice new feel.
@@kgottsmanhow much did the bits cost you approx and what did you have to buy?
@@paco1661 I plan on keeping it forever so I did the 100k mile parts canon. Front and rear kits from FCP Euro for about $1500 USD total. Not to hard to replace. Brand new car.
Excellent been waiting for this comparison!
Said nobody ever
@@DaleSteel Said everyone looking for an E90 M3 actually
Bad weather delayed it a bit but managed to find a day when it wasn’t too greasy 😅
Good content and an interesting journey to watch.
A very informative series and balanced view. I have had my E92 M3 for 7 years and 40'000 miles, and still love driving daily. Its Xmas present (Eventuri Plenum) made all the difference to the driving experience. I foresee the Stage II upgrade next.
Sounds like you’ve enjoyed it so far! Carbon Plenum and Stage 2 (+ GTS DCT if applicable) really transforms the car in to what it should be personality wise.
Very interesting video. You should makes more like this one.
I do love the red one the colours is amazing the sound quality 😍
Great IDEA, great PREMISE tested !!! This is exactly what every single buyer ponders about. I love the point at the end, if you are buying for investment and don't care about your personal enjoyment buy the lower mileage (you shouldn't be buying cars for investments to begin with, there are better investment commodities) but if you are buying for your personal enjoyment, by all means, spend the same (buy the higher mileage and replace key components) and enjoy a car that feels pretty close when it was brand new and cost a million dollars/pounds! lol :D
Dope man, vehicle like this I think the build journey is what matters
Great series can’t wait for the next stage on the blue on what would be good is to do a e46 series as more people seem to prefer them from what i believe
I love that Japan red m3. And that sound is just epic.
Really interesting video guys, I need to drive that red one 🔥🔥🔥
Let’s get these suspension refreshes done to it and the keys are all yours my friend 👊
It is often the better approach to put the money into a lower mileage, better example - but there is a certain satisfaction that comes with knowing you did the restoration/upgrades.
I’ve done exactly what you have done with the high mileage car, I bought a e90 m3 with 100k needed lots of work, I’ve also replaced every bush after watching your video, I would say I’ve spent around 8k aswel I only paid 13k for my car on a 08 plate.
The car feels brand new I love it, I have never drove a low mileage m3 so nothing to compare to so watching this justify’ me spending the money 😊
Don't sell it then. These stories make me feel better. I spent 2.5k on my lexus lol but that's 90 percent maintenance. 2 calipers failed that's it.
in the states where the hell you get an e90 m3 that cheap
13k sheesh ..
13k sheesh ..
@@startingtech3900 he is almost cetainly from the U.K.... he is talking in pounds...so closer to 20k usd
I just want to take a moment to appreciate how consistent the panel gaps are at the end of the video 👌
Thanks for noticing!
Lol I was looking at the same thing!
Nice advise.👍
Thanks for your honest opinion. I could watch this clip over and over just for the sake of the NA sound.
Compact and nice E series (E90, E92, etc) to look at even after a decade. I can't say the same for the F series.
Don't even get me started on the G series. Watch the value of the Piggy Nose (G series) depreciate like waterfall. I don't know what BMW was thinking?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Loving the conclusion and seeing the results on the blue car. The Japan Red car sounds mental, the intake upgrades are worth every penny just for that insane induction noise.
The noise is truly addictive, even better than our E46 M3 CSL.
@@EvolveAutomotive better than the CSL!! Ok, that’s a big statement. Need to hear it IRL
Hard to beat V8 ITB noises!
@@EvolveAutomotive yo Imran! Excellent work as ever buddy but I’m going to ask you a serious question here and I’m sure there are many other BMW fans who would love to see some content from you on an BMW that is a Alpina version and what your thoughts are and how evolve could improve it or add to it’s character, would be great content but your the expert so I’ll leave it up to you
Great series of videos Imran really enjoyed it
Both specs are bangers!!!😍🥲
Great vid ! Thx
Amazing cars !! I love my E90 M3. Nice to see someone with great driving skills giving the car some beans.
Great review
Brother I need that plenum and map on mine. Sounds so beefy. Best sounding video I’ve heard on an e9x review. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Thanks! Let’s get you setup with them - sales@evolveautomotive.com
I have an e92 335i with 155k+ in the clock and watching this really makes me want to do this refurb job on it. The e92s are still some of the beat looking 3 series BMs IMO.
Absolutely ❤️
Love from Scotland 🏴
Other things to also consider on a higher mileage car is the paint/body work condition and interior condition. Although interior/exterior condition isn’t a sliding scale, higher mileage/older cars are more likely to be in a worse condition
Yes, these are much more specific to each individual car though so we didn’t go in to that.
I bought a 2007 e92 m3 with 95k miles back in October for £14.5k. It’s got a full main dealer/specialist service history and throttle accs/rod bearings done at 87k miles. Interior is cleaner than most 66 plate cars.
It needed an idler pulley when I bought it so was making a whine when warmed up. I’ve replaced all pulleys and belts as preventative maintenance.
There’s diamonds in the rough.
Ive loved this series re the hi miles m3🙂
The way you have to look at is depends on how its been looked after if its had the rod bearings etc done, you can spend 24k on one then still have to sort the common issues Where the higher mileage would already have them done
Excited to hear what you guys are gonna do with the blue ///M
Am thinking it might pop up for sale any time soon.
How much, I do not know.
Watch this space
Brilliant car. E93. I had it just over 7 years. General maintenance but throttle actuators were replaced after 5 years. Apart from that was a very reliable car. Had the e46 M3 before that, and a few issues with the SMG gearbox and Vanos. Upgraded to a M6 f12 2016. Hopefully will be reliable. Power compared to the e93, e46, e36, is a lot more. Spins in most gears.
has it been reliable?
@@FnGRZupraHi. Yes. My most reliable M car. Out of the e36 and e46. The e93 was brilliant. Just watch out for Throttle actuators and lower rod bearings ( never floor it when the engine is cold )
Firstly, throughly enjoyed the video. Can’t fault your thinking Imran. Having said that after hearing the Japan read noise I would probably throw all caution to the wind and buy and absolute DOG as long as it sounded like that! What a tune ❤❤❤
Thanks! The Eventuri plenum is absolutely intoxicating and the main reason we bought another ❤️🔥
I think I need to pop up and hear it in the flesh
We’re here 9-6 Mon-Fri, always happy to take someone out to experience it for themselves.
If you contact us to book it in we can make sure the car is available and has fuel (quite hard to keep fuel in an S65 😅)
At it again all good ☝🏽👍🏻
I hope you turn the Monte Carlo into a Team Schirmer style track car. I think that would be a very interesting series. Just a thought 😜
Red one sounds amazing 👍😀
Every drive the Eventuri carbon plenum impresses us 🎺
Has it got a back box mod if so what one ?
Believe it’s a 1.5 mod along with our primary cat delete
Watching this I couldn't stop thinking about how I now associate Evolve with M3s ,I have learnt something for my business 👏💥👌
Great video,always straight to the point and no funny pranks
I did the same with my e92 330d… shocks,springs,all the suspension arms,bushes etc,had the engine walnut shell blasted & a host of other preventative maintanance.It was like night & day.I had bought all the parts & was gonna get a indi to do the work but then lockdown came up & I decided to try it myself.it was a steep learning curve … had axle grinders & got more tools now then a fcuking garage 😂.Was worth all the hassle & now I’ll try
anything.Next up is the cooling system refresh.The sound coming out of the red un is like porn😂
Nice video l would probably go for the lower mileage car keep on saving as it seems like it would be less headache also if you by a cheeper car you then have to invest in a good mechanic if you don’t that £8000 could be £16000 and the car may still not right if it’s low mileage as the car gets more mileage it’s your mileage so you know how the car has been looked after and driven that’s important especially for a bmw m3. Keep the videos coming 👏🏾👍🏾👊🏽
One thing you have to consider in this situation is engine longevity. At some point the engine on the higher mileage car is going to need a full rebuild or at least a partial one, where as the lower mileage one is going to last twice as long before such rebuild is necessary.
That was an excellent project. Seeing the prices go up… lots put up for sale, to meet the demand (assume a lot of people will try to jump back in, when the prices are suitably low) and now falling has been interesting. Also, variances on pricing, over the years. I bought my ‘12 e92 nearly 6yrs ago, for £26K, with 34K miles. I’ve easily pumped £10K into it, between maint and mods (BBK, KW v3 coilovers, Bush refresh and rear subframe rebuild, S/S cat-back, RBs, TAs, Pre-cat delete/Stage 2/DCT flash, CF intake system (Eventuri/AFe/Carbon Factory) K-bar (highly recommend, if you have flip down rear seats) and Mumbray under-tray) Now has 87K miles… sounds the nuts… handles fantastically (to me) and I’ve no plan to sell, anytime soon. I just accept that I’ll never recover that extra money, and enjoy the ride. 😊 Well… until the next ‘wallet-draining’ expense pops up 🙄😂
I’ve learnt that one the hard way. Always spend as much as possible on any kind of car which you’re buying as an investment. Original paint is a big factor in terms of value in older cars. No respray will ever be recouped or fetch the same as a mint factory paint equivalent. It all comes down to finances and how you plan on using the car. If you’re buying it to drive and enjoy then a high mileage car isn’t such a negative factor. It’s probably the better option with the additional refurbishment money to make it drive sweet again. But potentially more of a headache than just buying a clean low mileage car.
imagine thinking any car is an investment
Agreed. I'd spend extra on the lower mileage car every time, and those are always the ones I've made the most money on.
@@S54VR6 just because you don't know much about buying cars and keep losing money on them, doesn't mean everyone else is making the same mistakes as you.
@@S54VR6 I know, don’t think I’ve ever made a penny on a car in my life 🤣
The answer is buy one with double the mileage for half the price that someone else recently did ask is the necessary maintenance on and won’t see any of that money back.
Only issue when comparing to the 70k mile blue M3 is you still don't know if any thing needs to be replaced, thus yes it might cost 24k but might need money spent to make it right.
That sound from the s65 is breathtaking!
Honestly one of the best reasons to own the car, especially with an Eventuri
@@EvolveAutomotive Haha. I have one. An e90 M3. I’ve had it for 9 years. The only car in my possession that I have kept longer than 3 years. No plans to part ways!
I need that Eventuri in my life! I felt the bark of the downshifts across the pond over in the US, mate.😎
Great video. Have always loved the E92 M3 and have considered getting one but have been put off by potentially ruinous running costs. That red car sounded fantastic. How much is the (Eventuri Plenum) upgrade and stage 2 upgrade?
Fuel and tax is quite expensive on these cars but in reality the maintenance isn’t that bad once a few one time things are out of the way.
For an accurate price either visit our website www.evolveautomotive.com or email sales@evolveautomotive.com
Hi Imran , with regards to high mileage cars I have a bmw 640d grab coupe with 180k on the clock it’s drives and performs absolutely perfectly like a low mileage car , what would your views be on remapping a car with this sort of miles ? Thank you 🙏🏼
Bought my e92 with 75,000 miles in 2018. Since then I’ve driven it across the country, driven it up the west coast, taken it out to the Mojave Desert a scary distance from a gas station and made some unbelievable memories.
At 100k miles now, it’s ready for some paintwork here and there and the suspension is ready to be freshened up (RBs done, TAs still OG).
The important thing I came here to convey is… if I’d bought a 25k mile M3, I’d have been reluctant to do what brings me the most enjoyment… and that’s drive it. This is going to be a forever car (it’s not my primary, it’s paid for, etc)… so I don’t really care about resale. It was more important that I could enjoy it without worrying about killing the value with miles or having that garage queen where the low miles are the wow factor as opposed to the adventures I’ve had with it.
The car is in great shape and with about $5k-$7k invested it’ll be as pristine as a 10k mile example again, but one that I’m not hesitant to enjoy outside of my garage.
Getting out and enjoying the car and using it is what it’s all about!
Pretty interesting comparison, very well done! What are your thoughts on the 6-speed manual examples, how does the E92 M3 feel with the manual?
Not a fan of the car with a manual. It was designed for the DCT, and out of the box the gearing is too long on the manual. Haven’t driven one with a shorter rear diff but the DCT is just so good.
I had a manual, they have the classic bmw notchyness but I loved it!
More engaging than any auto. There's something very memorable about blipping the throttle on downshifts yourself.
Gear ratios aren't too bad either, compared with a Cayman it's geared short!
Hey Iram I have a 2000 e39, I'm looking to get the original front seat covers because the current ones all cracked up...any suggestions as to where I can get them
good stuff
I have a higher mileage (70k) jaguar xfr. Had for almost 10 years and its still an absolute beast. Had it tuned/cammed/full exhaust, i dont race it but i do get M3s that prod n nudge for a race. Older sports cars if you do your homework can be great
Any resonance issues with decat and after market exhaust? Almost like a slight stutter at lower RPM. Interested to hear your thoughts
just the video I need, I'm considering a high mileage e90.
Hope it helps with the purchase
Bought myself an e85 tuned e90 m3 with 130k for 22k 6 months ago and have put 8k miles already, the car is an animal for what it is, have beaten 392 chargers, have been toe to toe with m340i’s, and have beaten some tuned 335i’s
These cars really are superb. I'm surprised that prices haven't blown up even more, but it's only a matter of time. They're just in a different league to the soulless roadgoing gadgets being churned out by most manufacturers today.
But they are really slow. Even with full bolt ons. A supercharger won't even get you G80 flash tune numbers.
@@jostrander71sometimes it’s not about speed sometimes it’s just about enjoying the drive
Upsides and downsides of course, upsides the low mileage has obviously had less time on the road, but that doesn't tell you about how it's been driven, the high mileage one, well you'll be going through it anyway to get it all back to spec, at which point you will see exactly what condition the vehicles in, i would say it's actually not worth the higher price at that point, get it as cheap as possible with the exception of having a fully working motor, and refurbish it, much more sense.
Weirdly looked less bouncy in the blue car but perhaps the speed was greater in the red one doe to the suspension upgrade.
Did notice this looking back but yes from memory the Japan Red car gives you much more confidence to push on
Love the Evolve tuning system for the e9x.
Out of curiosity whtas the max bhp and nm out off these s65 with evolve?
Depends on supporting modifications and each individual car. One of our cars made 464hp
@@EvolveAutomotive Thats pretty good and how does it compare to a c63 w204 on speed. A tuned like yours?
Another thing to consider, beyond investment is if you're buying to drive it often, clocking up even more miles, might as well go high mileage and then refresh? And then continue to refresh over time?
It’s all things to weigh up for sure, if you want to put a serious amount of mileage on the car then it could be worth going for a car that has already had the mileage depreciation hit.
Not sure comparing modded to stock makes sense, some of the attributes you put on milesge could really be stiffer bits…
I will go ahead with the blue one!! Mileage does not mean to much you still should things on the vehicle!!
If resale doesn’t matter to you the high mileage car with the work done is better value for sure.
how much does a suspension refresh cost on one of these?
I bought a high mileage e93 m3. It had about 206,000 miles. Did exactly what you did and replaced a bunch of parts, probably around 8000 canadian dollars in parts. Currently has 212,000 miles and drives brand new. The only thing I didn't change were the rod bearings. They are original.
Brave not changing the bearings!
Email 206,000 miles or kilometres? My e93 has 122,000 kilometres I’m planning on doing the rod bearings in March lol. U are brave for not doing them tho lol
@@georgekoko69 212k miles, 342000km
How is the engine holding up at that mileage? How close are you to a rebuild?
@@craigyirush3492 it's holding up just fine. I should make a video of the car running
Imran, what is the watch you’re wearing in this video?
I bought my Monte Carlo edition 6 years ago its on around 80k miles now, I absolutely love it! I've done mods from supercharging, to a digital cluster, to M4 competition seats, the list goes on! Lol! I could never sell it now I don't think!
I know how you feel
8 grand in maintenance, damn that is a lot. Proves it is worthwhile buying something that has been well looked after regardless of mileage.
I’ve already done 12k plus after purchasing one
@@X11CHASE sounds worse than buying a maserati.
Just bought a clean title space grey e92 m3 DCT Clean CA TITLE 99k miles , over black novillo leather interior with quad tip muffler delete. Paid 17.4k Sounds absolutely bonkers and pulls like no one’s business. A little less torque coming from an n54 but nevertheless feels so solid 😮 great video m8.
Congrats! Our primary cat delete and Stage 2 tune will help with that lack of torque 😉
@ imran
Do you offer a full refresh price?
Im quite interested as im approaching 70000m.
It’s something we can do, please email sales@evolveautomotive.com
I bought a not so cheap, with a bit of high mile E90 M3. Had about 81k miles when I bought it for about $29k US. I've put about $10k in maintenance (con rod bearings, motor mounts, spark plugs, bmw brakes all the way around, front lower control arms and torsion rods, fuel tank breather valve, valve cover gasket, one bank throttle actuator). Car is still completely stock outside of a K&N drop in filter. So for essentially 40k, was it worth it? I am not entirely sure. My issue is, what else could I have bought for 40k. F10 M5 maybe, but then what maintenance would it have needed from there. So, yes I am happy with the car, V8 sounds amazing. Right now its a keeper.
Just bought a 2010 e92 frozen grey with 66k collect next week. Totally standard only 1 owner hoping she's a good 1
Congrats on the new car! Frozen Grey is a great colour
Lucky bugger
Nice where you buy from ?
A question for you guys:
Would the DCT gearbox from this car fit into my V10 late 07 plate M5 , I know the manual gearboxes have been done ( I had a quote for around 6k ) but I don’t think I’ve read about anyone fitting the DCT ?
It would be interesting to watch and find out.
Yet to see someone successfully fit a DCT to an S85 and it work like OEM.
@@EvolveAutomotive if it could be done I would probably veer towards a DCT gearbox more then the manual tbh unlike my previous car ( E46 M3 )which would be the manual imo.
Can’t wait for someone to have a go 😎👍
Just picked up a manual E92 on 70k, Rod bearings getting done next week, now interested in a bush refresh :D
Congrats on the new car!
Rod Bearings are 100% the first thing we would do, then as long as the car drove acceptably (as in better than the 152k mile one did!) I think the next thing would probably be an Eventuri Carbon Plenum, I mean just listen to it 🤤
@@EvolveAutomotive The plan for the M3 was not to modify it, simply to refresh bits and make it a nice road car, as i have a horrible caged track car already. Then i found your channel....and it's drawing me towards modifications :D
We love our Japan Red car as a pure road car! it’s comfortable, easy to drive in traffic, doesn’t drone on long journeys and is well suited to back roads.
In fact if you can stomach the high running costs they really do make great every day cars.
@@EvolveAutomotive Regarding your primary cat delete and map, does this work with different intake and exhaust combinations. For example, primary cat delete, OEM rear exhaust and intake, or do you need to tweak the map to adjust for different set ups?
The ECU is smart enough to adjust itself within set parameters for changes such as intake and exhaust, so no tweaking is necessary.
Small detail. The BMW E9X M3 OE suspension parts are made by TRW and are much cheaper than the same BMW OEM suspension components. The subframe work was overkill, and would be super-expensive.
Yes, we mention that in all the individual videos and the prices are based on TRW components where possible.
Also in the subframe video we mention that our specific subframe was past saving, and was frankly unsafe. So we had to replace and opted for brand new. You could have bought a used one or not needed to replace at all if the subframe was in better condition.
We do honestly believe every component we have changed was necessary in bringing the car up to a standard we are happy with. Unfortunately the biggest change was the rear subframe and it is the most involved and expensive job to carry out.
What exhaust is that on the red?
Nice Atowak watch!!! At least I think it is?
Phantasos Triclops
@@EvolveAutomotive nice very nice !!!
Any trips planed to the Netherlands this year?
We’ll be back for Bimmerfest as always, a great event
Prediction before watching video.... Hells YEA!
I was buying a 145k mile e63 M6 last year for 12k euros and a Tag Heuer watch lol I backed out cause I didn't trust it to make it over to you guys to the rod bearings and other things so went for 440i instead😂😂
An interesting experiment, I predicted this outcome. I think changing suspension parts on any car over 10 years old and 50,000 miles will make a big difference to how it drives, well worth doing on a performance car but maybe not bother on something like a Toyota Corolla 😂
Any reason why the convertibles (E93) are cheaper than the (E92) coupes
Flipping the car vs keeping it? The lower milage (red) car, cost more and you'll still need to do the suspension refresh. Instead of being similar in cost after you did the work on the blue one, the red will be in the mid to upper 30's when you're done. If I was the owner of the blue one, I'd know that I was done spending money on the major items and I could just enjoy. If I bought the red one, even with lower mileage, I would KNOW that I had more work to do.
Nah! I don't know how to replace the rod bearings, and the car is to heavy to lift up.
Those test pipes won't pass smog testing even with a tune anymore.
Thinking about buying a circa 90k mile example myself, how much would a full suspension refresh cost?
Please email sales@evolveautomotive.com if you’d wish to get a full quote
Idk I know there high reving v8 but something about v8 and bmw just never sat right with me I like b58 😅
Still two beautiful looking cars even by todays standards! I remember seeing these brand new in the dealerships and hating them as they looked too smooth compared to the e46 but now I can definitely appreciate them both for what they are
Watching the vid 1 year later I was shocked at the valuations of the cars, as I was thinking they are about 7-8k less than the prices you mentioned
In the U.K. the E9x M3 has dropped quite a bit yes
Imran,
Would you have low mileage e92 M3 over an OG M2?
Very difficult decision to be honest, both great cars!
Is the labour included in the 8k or is that just parts?
We included labour, which was correct at the time of filming. If you check each video in the series you can see a more detailed breakdown of costings.
@@EvolveAutomotive thanks for the reply 👍
I guess if you bought the lower mileage one, you would still end up spending some money on it, even if you didn't go all the way - so it will still be more expensive than the higher mileage car.
Part of me likes 'saving' the older unloved cars, although this is definately worse for your wallet overall as you say in the video!
Sorry for being lazy, but what's the exhaust setup on the Japan red? Test pipes and 2 pipe mod?
Test Pipes and we believe 1.5 mod, was on the car when we bought it
@@EvolveAutomotive sounds perfect 👌👌
How’s the bodywork compare? Big difference from the low mileage to the high?
Very big, the high mileage car pretty much every panel could do with being repainted, either dents, deep scratches or poor repairs. Our Japan Red car has also had a few bits painted though and an intensive detail.
We did not discuss things such as exterior/interior wear as these factors are very individual to each car. They obviously play some part in the price of the car so is something to factor in. Again typically fixing bad paint/interior will cost more than paying extra for one that is good.
Either way you should keep plenty in the bank for repairs and upgrades
Definitely, cars depreciate but you need to remember they once were expensive cars and maintenance will always be expensive.
@@EvolveAutomotive its like the old saying. If you can't buy it new, then you can't buy it used.