In minute 1:02:51 Mr.John Richards said "we are the judge." to say which life is valuable and which is not and in minute 1:03:20 he accused Imran by saying "you are making humans a judge". :-)
@@bgyvccggn3447 religious people here are getting desperate nitpicking like this. Ok, let's say he slipped up and make a contradiction. So what? You still haven't proven that any god exists. What a waste of time.
"Science is the single most reliable pathway to truth that we know of" there I fixed it. Faith is not a reliable path to truth given that I could take any position on faith.
@@RocketDRA Again, that's a philosophical statement which cannot be scientifically verified. The reality is, science itself is based on philosophical and axiomatic presuppositions which themselves can't be scientifically verified because science itself assumes they are true. So you literally have to concede that axiomatic realities are better pathways to truth than science in order to avoid the circular reasoning. This is why saying science is the most reliable pathway to truth is a nonsensical statement.
@Abdikadir Abdiwahid So for example, the scientific method itself employs reasoning such as testimony in order to gather scientific data. Testimony is a valid truth standard. Also, intuition. Science uses maths as a tool but science doesn't prove maths. We don't know 1+1=2 because of science, we know because of our intuition. That's where axioms come from.
@@catsandmusic4635 Sure you must be so wise, If science didnt work you wouldt be typing on your supercomputer, on a world wider Internet Developed with the scientific method... You sir are a loser....Please name a better relieble way to truth... And science can verify that science works lol you dumb.
Dawkins would have an opportunity to reach millions of Muslims and preach his religion. but he knows Bro Hamza will slap him so hard with truth, that it will have the opposite effect.
Iqbal: “This one prostration (before God) which you feel burdensome rids man of thousands of prostrations.” alt. “All these worldly possessions and treasures, all relations and connections are nothing but the idols created by false imaginings. The only truth is that there is no God but Allah.”
@Rushi Integrity We make generalizations based off underlying inplications of adopting an aetheistic worldview that are common among its sects. It is not a straw man as first of all Imran defined the terms he would be discussing which was an aethiest perspective through the lens of naturalism and scientism. These views reduce people into different rearrangements of matter, with no objective difference between them besides their arrangement and quantity. The only perception of difference is shallow sentement which although admirable, is only the result of the firing of neutrons in ones brain causing the feelings of emotion and attachment detremental to survival. This is naturalism; the explanations of nature based off of physical phenomena.
@Rushi Integrity the discussion at hand is not arguments for or against the existence of God. The discussion at hand is to explore the implications for believing and subscribing to an aethiest worldview especially through the lens of naturalism which seems to be the most reoccurring and popular trend across the myriad of aethiest beliefs. It is not an argument for the existence of God but rather is a refutation that adopting aethiesm as the objective truth will in a way enlighten society and uninhibit people from doing actions which otherwise would be restricted through religion. Naturalists do not consider the fact that when they reduce everything down to either random processes or in a euphemistic way non fine tuned processes that they remove any objective purpose in life besides human desire. This implication as Frederick Niche explored leads to Nihilism. Also, to say that life is absurd without God does not necessarily imply that because of this God exists. Rather again it exposes the utopian mindset of the new aetheist movement that their worldview is objectively better (which as Imran said that calling it objective is a problem in of itself) and that religious people are "missing out." Just as John Richards discussed as he claimed life is absurd without God is also an assumption that God does not exist simply because he believes in his worldview and apparently has not received any evidence that God exists. The claim that we assume that God exists is an argument which also assumes either that God does not exist or that their is no evidence for God. This is also an assumption. So to an extent both views are subjective and that is ok as the topic of discussion is not on God's existence but rather what view resonates with human nature better, what view answers our existential questions better (or at all), and whether or not can life be truly meaningful without God.
*“We were with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) in Dhul-Hulaifah, when we saw a dead sheep lifting its leg (because of bloating). He said: 'Don't you think this is worthless to its owner? By the One in Whose hand is my soul, this world is more worthless to Allah than this (dead sheep) is to its owner. If this world was worth the wing of a mosquito to Allah, the disbeliever would not have a drop to drink from it."* Our prophet pbuh already told us that this planet and all that it contains is worthless to Allah The Most High and Almighty. So rather, this atheist is affirming the truth and refuting himself in doing so, whilst thinking he made a clever point in an attempt to deceive the audience. One of the wisdoms of the size of the universe is for us to witness that Allah *IS* All Powerful, sadly the reality is that Allah SWT is too great for some atheists to comprehend and believe in. Sunnan Ibn Majah English reference : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4110
Can you expand on that? Do believers in islam, believe that Allah does not regard humanity and the earth as special or is this your own interpretation? I ask as this is a belief I hold in regards to my own conception of God.
@@Celtic_Iron look brother, The hadith says the world,the universe which of course to Allah is not important and that is exactly why He will destroy everything on this Earth, What is important to him Is the Life more importantly the Humans or Humanity, That is why there is judgement for them. In a nutshell, I ll say Allah cares about life not about what holds it if you know what i mean. And whatever I have said right Is from Allah and whatever is wrong is from myself. May you be guided.Ameen
May Allah reward you for your efforts Bro Imran. You did a really good job. With all due respect to John Richards, his arguments were mostly weak. He clearly lacks knowledge of Islam and also of the philosophy of science. Atheists/Anti-theists need to learn to stop grouping all religions in the same box. It's too common to see an atheist debating a Muslim but clearly prepared to debate a Christian. Who else noticed Yusuf(The pondering soul) in the audience 😀
@@zainanwar2253 There is a glaring problem with debates like these in addition to a problem with the debate question..."Is life absurd without God?" The question assumes that there is convincing evidence for God as a real entity. Before such a question is asked shouldn't there first be convincing evidence that a God actually exists? Without such convincing evidence, "God" is simply an idea invented by humans to give us explanations for things we don't understand and for things we don't know. Granted that Hussein has a particular belief in a particular god, still throughout the debate, he simply argued as if his particular god was a reality without having to provide convincing evidence that his god actually existed. I think the title of the debate would have been more accurate if it was formulated as..."Is life absurd without beliefs in god?" Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that his god exists. Even more precise is that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's god exists. And even more precise is to say that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's IDEAs about god are actually true. In a debate like this, one should not be allowed to simply assume that one's particular god exists. It would be more honest to say that one is arguing based on one's beliefs and opinions about a particular god. What would Imran say to the questions..."Is life absurd without the Trinity?" or "Is life absurd without Shiva?"
Imran's arguments were the waekest, he acted as if god exists and it's a known fact, John on the other hand kept backing up his claims with evidence to support it, Imran was just going off emotions and not providing any evidence to back up his religion, and what really made me loose braincells was towards the ending when they were asked the question "how can we use the scientific method to prove that god is real when god could be residing in q completely different reality" and Irman replied, "just because it can't be proven doesn't mean it's not true" and that's just a weak and copeium argument, and i can tell that you didn't listen to the other side and clearly didn't understand anything that was debated in this video, you sir lack the required IQ to comprehend the world around you
He answered that point, by insinuating that he really didn't need to jump into it as you first have to prove that a god - any god - exists. Otherwise, it's just a waste of his time.
Mashallah... Bro Imran Hussein. You are very humble and knowledgeable. You always answer with maturity and clarity and very specific to the point when answering. I wish you also learn Islamic aqeedah and manhaj which is very important for those muslim brothers who give dawah and debate for the sake of Allah not because of thier whims and worldly gains or desires. We love you for the sake of Allah. May Allah bless you and give you health to carry on and debate with thier top prominent athiests who try to promote Atheism in muslim majority countries. Ameen....
Asalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu Akhi Imran, MaaShaaAllah... I ask Allah aza wa jal to make this from your good deeds...and to allow you to keep on doing this...
Beautiful rebuttal by brother Imran, couldn’t have been better Alhamdulilah, very eloquent and rational, one thing I would add is the Quranic verse regarding size of universe where Allah swt says.... “And surely the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of mankind”
Hamza Awad exactly bro. Someone is so smart yet they cannot even realize that they should consider Islam’s book. Speak in context. The guys a angry atheist as they always are. He has no clue what he’s doing. Just making money talking like an atheist and writing books. He doesn’t even read our book. Yet we say our book is the evidence of god. Allahs says it’s evidence. So that’s his evidence, but he won’t read the evidence. He continues saying show me evidence. What a doomed man. We pray for Allah to guide us and not misguide like those that have earned his wrath. Allah has closed his heart. He gave him such extreme intelligence. Yet his intelligence is not allowing him to be open minded enough to read the Quaran and debate Islam.
@@RocketDRA Chapter 20 of Qur'aan 1. Ta-Ha 2. We have not sent down the Qur'an unto you (O Muhammad ) to cause you distress, 3. But only as a Reminder to those who fear (Allah). 4. A revelation from Him (Allah) Who has created the earth and high heavens. 5. The Most Beneficent (Allah) Istawa (rose over) the (Mighty) Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). 6. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth, and all that is between them, and all that is under the soil. 7. And if you (O Muhammad ) speak (the invocation) aloud, then verily, He knows the secret and that which is yet more hidden. 8. Allah! La ilahla illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He)! To Him belong the Best Names. 9. And has there come to you the story of Musa (Moses)? 10. When he saw a fire, he said to his family: "Wait! Verily, I have seen a fire, perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire." 11. And when he came to it (the fire), he was called by name: "O Musa (Moses)! 12. "Verily! I am your Lord! So take off your shoes, you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa. 13. "And I have chosen you. So listen to that which is inspired to you. 14. "Verily! I am Allah! La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) for My Remembrance. 15. "Verily, the Hour is coming and My Will is to keep it hidden that every person may be rewarded for that which he strives. 16. "Therefore, let not the one who believes not therein (i.e. in the Day of Resurrection, Reckoning, Paradise and Hell, etc.), but follows his own lusts, divert you therefrom, lest you perish.
@Biggus Dickus The arguments presented in the video.....e.g defination of morals and justice of crimes and accountability.....the world becomes meaningless without a end judgement....
This is so cringe listening to this atheist Wallahi, I’m 36 minutes in this so far and I’ve heard Imran make wonderful points on how atheism doesn’t coincide with human nature and how atheism leads to nihilism And all I heard from the opposition so far is a math lesson of how long it takes to count to a million 😂😂😂 Doesn’t this guy know Allah is omnipresent and omnipotent and omniscient Moreover what a complete joke saying we don’t have evidence for God someone needs to read the divine reality I can already tell he’s ignorant in philosophy and theology, may Allah give me sabr while listening to this guy But so far excellent work brother Imran
Assalamualikum brothers and sisters, Please avoid using deregotary language. We are above that Alhamdulillah. We are the best of people because we enjoin good and forbid evil. So please let's keep it peaceful 😊✌
There was one man behaving with intelligence, integrity, honesty and respectfulness and one clearly lacking. I think it was clear to everyone watching which was which.
Not really, you just bias.... Leaving Islam is the best I have ever done. And Im happy to be part of the wave of humans that advocate for the reforming of retrograde religious Ideologies. Islam needs a reform to empower woman and NON-Muslims in their societies.
@@RocketDRA Rather, it's you or I who are filtered out, if we 'leave' the way of life Ordained by God /Allah / the Creator. I would say good luck in finding some kind of joy in whatever it is you misplace your life in while you're alive here, but I know what the joys of this life entail in comparison to what the human being is granted within himself when submitted to the Creator alone, devoting themselves to Him and seeking Him.
@@fakrulislam9333 Think about the Billions if humans that have lived in peace, in happiness, non muslims, non cristians, non hindus, you for sure dont need to praze imaginary gods to be happy...I recomend you to explore other perspectives cuz your way is not the only way, and probably not the best way.
How on Earth this man could teach science, not knowing basics of the philosophy of science?! Realism/anti-realism, fallibalism, the limitations of science etc. That's just ridiculous! Next.
Because that's philosophy and not science. Imran was going on about testimony. Testimony isn't revelant in science. As John said, a scientific theory has to make a testable prediction like the big bang. People had done maths, interpreted it to mean that the universe was born in the big bang, then made predictions, observed those predictions with telescopes and the LHC. The scientfic theory now needs to stand the test of time for a little while longer before it becomes a scientific rule. Now, know the important thing is that I can do all these steps for myself. Science and philosophy couldn't be more different so let's not confuse them. Important questions can be answered with philosophical arguments taking into account scientific facts. Science can't answer these questions at all as they aren't scientific questions at all.
@@SerTempleton what you just produced is the philosophy of science. The methodology, the roots, the demarcations and limits of scientific method and endeavour - all of this is established by the philosophers of science. And falsification is not always and not the only criteria. There are examples.
@@ЗаурГучетль-г3ч I agree with you that all this had been established by philosophers. Philosophy is the root of nearly all knowledge. But that doesn't mean that science and philosophy are the same. One is built on logical reasoning and another on observation and evidence.
@Arianit Krasniqi of course testimony isnt relevant in science because when you give ur testimony you have to back it up with evidence otherwise is not relevant.
@@shannawas9536 the debate was "Is Life Absurd Without God?" not "does God exist". He had to cover the question more directly to keep within the time restrictions.
oh my god, this man is so ignorant it was painful to watch, he doesn't understand epistemology, he doesn't know the difference between science and scientism, he accepts nihilism but makes value judgments throughout the debate. I'm very disappointed, I expected an atheist who more or less knows what he's talking about.
@@yaqubjordaan9854 There is a glaring problem with debates like these in addition to a problem with the debate question..."Is life absurd without God?" The question assumes that there is convincing evidence for God as a real entity. Before such a question is asked shouldn't there first be convincing evidence that a God actually exists? Without such convincing evidence, "God" is simply an idea invented by humans to give us explanations for things we don't understand and for things we don't know. Granted that Hussein has a particular belief in a particular god, still throughout the debate, he simply argued as if his particular god was a reality without having to provide convincing evidence that his god actually existed. I think the title of the debate would have been more accurate if it was formulated as..."Is life absurd without beliefs in god?" Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that his god exists. Even more precise is that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's god exists. And even more precise is to say that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's IDEAs about god are actually true. In a debate like this, one should not be allowed to simply assume that one's particular god exists. It would be more honest to say that one is arguing based on one's beliefs and opinions about a particular god. What would Imran say to the questions..."Is life absurd without the Trinity?" or "Is life absurd without Shiva?"
@Kuffar Legion Atheism is not a worldview nor an ideology, sure it has consequences and is related more or less to some ideologies and philosophical ideas but in itself, it's nothing more than a cognitive position, there is nothing to explain about it.
We need more debates like these. It really helps people learn. We want brother Imran, Hamza, Hijab and the other brothers to engage in more debates with atheists.
Why is Richard making it so long to emphasise the earth is insignificant when our Prohpet Muhammad P.U.B already said that the earth is so much smaller like a ring in the Sahara desert and that is straightforward everyone knows how small it is. The reason Prohpet Muhammad said that so that you do not have pride when u pray cuz your insignificant, however, Allah said that I have created many creation but out of all my creation human is my first best creation ever, but you won’t know that when u don’t have God in you
@@mikerevs34 Mohammed was flying on a donkey to jerusalem. And for the earth is on a back of a whale just read tafsir 68:1 from ibn kathir, ibn abbas, al jalalayn etc...
@@mdkeida3691 Are you sure ? What is this than ? : And from his narration on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas that he said regarding the interpretation of Allah's saying (Nun): '(Nun) He says: Allah swears by the Nun, which is the whale that carries the earths on its back while in Water, and beneath which is the Bull and under the Bull is the Rock and under the Rock is the Dust and none knows what is under the Dust save Allah. The name of the whale is Liwash, and it is said its name is Lutiaya'; the name of the bull is Bahamut, and some say its name is Talhut or Liyona. The whale is in a sea called 'Adwad, and it is like a small bull in a huge sea. The sea is in a hollowed rock whereby there is 4,000 cracks, and from each crack water springs out to the earth. It is also said that Nun is one of the names of the Lord; it stands for the letter Nun in Allah's name al-Rahman (the Beneficent); and it is also said that a Nun is an inkwell. (By the pen) Allah swore by the pen. This pen is made of light and its height is equal to the distance between Heaven and earth. It is with this pen that the Wise Remembrance, i.e. the Guarded Tablet, was written. It is also said that the pen is one of the angels by whom Allah has sworn, (and that which they write (therewith)) and Allah also swore by what the angels write down of the works of the children of Adam,
Bob Jim I don’t think they were valid. They were weak and ill informed and based on hate towards theism. It’s not that straight forward. It was too simplistic. Also contradictory to his liberalist view yet no tolerance for religion. Science isn’t the only answer and we know science changes etc etc
@@Tayibah2003 Science knowledge is updated when it's clear it is wrong or incomplete. Religion tends to stay the same despite not being able to prove their claims.
@@jonatand2045 We believe that the religions before islam were like you suggested "updated" by the people. That lead to their destruction and holes in their theories/arguments. Islam is a perfect religion and is unchanged to this day. The reason is that it is perfect.There is no need to make any change. Quran is a book of signs not science. But we have seen science discoveries that have confirmed what quran said. It is perfect in its lingustic tone, there are no internal conflicts unlike the "updated" scriptures. Plus, the scholars have given multiple evidences on its "claims".
@@haadzahid129 Muslim apologists usually interpret the quran in a way that fits with current knowledge. They are wrong, the quran is limited to knowledge from the middle ages. It contains errors like man beong created from clay, the earth being flat (spread out like a carpet) and geocemtrism (the sun orbits like the moon).
_Serial killer Atheist Jeffrey Dahmer once said in a TV interview that:_ *_“If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then-then what’s the point of trying to modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing._*
@@Ill_drink_to_that Was that the case for Hitler too? he too believe in evolutionary survival of fittest or the communist czar going to Siberia or communist Chinese who are doing the same with Uyghurs. The 19 and 20th century is filled with dogmatic wars based on the atheistic propositions. Atheist believe in self-opinions and have no moral grounding to hold on to nor can be trusted for their commitments, and that is what makes atheism more radical. What atheist care about if their moral proposition is of social usefulness or not, without taking into account of their implication or consequences.
Let mi quote a serial killers, which killed millions, if not even a billions up to date, and the quotes are short as that: "alahu akbar", "in the name of god", "god wish it".
﴿سورة غافر ٥٧﴾ لَخَلْقُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ أَكْبَرُ مِنْ خَلْقِ النَّاسِ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ [Quran 40:57] Certainly the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of humanity, but most people do not know.
If at least one single person in the audience now has some reasons to think things over about their religious beliefs and the world as we know it, this was a success.
Beautiful point by brother Imran regarding testimony, this argument got Lawrence Krause off target on the debate with Hamza, and it is throwing this guy off target now
overall, it was a beautiful well thought out debate on the side of our brother Imran Hussein, and I felt as if the message of Islam was expressed in a nice manner, there were many gems throughout this video, It was a good debate which will hopefully teach many about Islam btw I watched this through twice and I can't help think of any point which John brought up, with all due respect to John but it was a poor showing on his part, InshAllah more of these to come for bro Imran he did fantastic
I loved this debate. I found both participants very personable and who doesn't enjoy a debate where both sides show this level of respect to each other? I did find some comments from Imran to be somewhat patronising, the way he would say "I'll try to make this a simple as I can for you", comments like I find unbecoming of a public intellectual; it is a passive aggressive comment. The irony is however that it was Imran who couldn't (or wouldn't) grasp the simplicity of the information, and examples, that John was providing. I personally feel that it has nothing to do with Imrans intelligence. I find it to be a matter of honesty. Cognitive dissonance. He chooses, like most theists, to dismiss knowledge that apparently contradicts their belief. That is to say theists are not interested in open mindedness lol. Religion is a closed minded belief system. Nevertheless I thoroughly enjoyed the debate. Thank you for doing this guys.
Imran: atheism can’t point the finger at religion and make moral judgments Atheist: I agree, but imma still make moral judgments This is literally what I’m watching right now 40 minutes in Moreover can someone explain to this guy how abiogenesis is basically magic, chemistry turning into biology, and then he proceeds to call heaven magic 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Atheists can still make moral judgments simply because they are humans. Religion doesn't get to have a monopoly on morality. Abiogenesis is just nonliving matter in the right place and time finding itself configured in a way that we would call living. That doesn't violate any physical laws. Heaven is just a fantasy.
Jonatan D How can atheists make moral judgement when they have nothing to base there morality on?????? The most militant atheists admit this such as Bertrand Russell, Richards Dawkins and even Nietzsche, the best you can get from atheism is subjectivity but that denotes the whole point of objective morality
@@mohammadhdiebi3249 There is no objective morality, religions claims to have it, but within them there are usually different interpretations of dogma.
Jonatan D Perfect!!!! If you want to accept there is no objective morality be all means, but this is why Nietzsche was so worried about such an approach, because anyone can justify doing anything I appreciate the honesty, but that’s a little scary if there was no such thing as objective morality, but I believe there is as humans intuitively believe things like killing is wrong, rape is wrong etc and humans intuitively value many things On atheism this makes no sense as everything is just a rearrangement of matter, no difference between cutting a tree in half and cutting a human in half Theism best makes sense if this, specifically Islam because we have a concept of the fitrah (innate disposition which God placed in side of us) this fitrah recognizes God but the prophet pbuh told us society clouds this fitrah through socialization This is why the 2011 Oxford study concluded humans are born believes in a immaterial supernatural being by doing thousands of tests on various children Islam makes sense of this data better than atheism or the Darwinian mechanism
@@mohammadhdiebi3249 Atheism doesn't say human morality makes no sense. That's just a conclusions that some might reach from it. Atheism and human morality aren't incompatible. Religion makes many claims, but needs to prove them. It is not enough to claim that god did something.
He said “I can accept testimony as long as it can be tested there has to be a challenge” Quran is the the evidence And the challenge is already given The falsification test “Bring a Chapter or verse like it”
@@byteme9718 For a start u need to get off Apostate Prophet's channel and his "43 scientific mistakes in the Quran". U clearly havent even checked if he was correct as u, just like him, are reffering to Chapter 23 verse 53 while that talks about something totally different. However let me still clarify this "error" Ur actually reffering to Quran Chapter 55: verses 19-20 He released the two seas, meeting [side by side]; Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses. There is a phenomenon which we call as halocline and a similar phenomenon called the thermocline. The Quran addresses the points where sweet and salt water meet and says there is an invisible barrier called as بَرْزَخٌ (barzakhun). There thing we see here as the miracle and what the Quran describes is just this phenomenon that we can see. We also know that there were no records of this 1400 years ago, especially in the deserts of Arabia. A lot of non-Muslims, including the famous atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, try and prove the Quran wrong by using this verse and say that sweet and salt water can mix. Richard Dawkins told us to get a glass of salt water and a glass of sweet water and mix them, with this he thought he debunked the Quran. The Quran is just speaking about those phenomenons that we can observe, in fact the word that is translated as “He released” is مَرَجَ (maraja) and this word can also mean mix/jumble. What we should also keep in mind is that the barrier is not specified, it is just an unseen barrier and only god knows how big, wide and deep that barrier is. Dr. William Hay, a well known marine scientist and Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A. also confirmed these phenomenons and was amazed and confused that this was mentioned in a book from 1400 years ago.
@@TheGamingTraktor I'm an advanced SCUBA diver who's completed over 1000 dives and I know exactly what a "thermocline" is. The clue is in the name you halfwit, THERMO! Divers are trained to recognise them and take appropriate precautions as they're frequently encountered. Three dives ago I descended down through two that dropped the temperature from nearly 30 degrees to 24 and then just under 20. I've dived the same spot many times and never encountered that and all in relatively shallow water. As you have mentioned 55.19-20 lets deal with that. First of all NOWHERE ON EARTH DO SEAS NOT MIX! Secondly you defence states "A lot of non-Muslims, including the famous atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, try and prove the Quran wrong by using this verse and say that sweet and salt water can mix." YOUR MEAN THE VERSE I REFERENCED THAT YOU IGNORED? As you seem to be using Sahih 25.53 states "And it is He who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition." which is obviously rubbish hence me offering it to Sun Wukong and you ignoring it. You say "Dawkins told us to get a glass of salt water and a glass of sweet water and mix them," No, that's not what he said. He asked if that's what Muslim students believed to which they all replied yes because this is how Quranic proof had been presented to them is a faith school. The fact is many liquids do not initially mix. Coffee is often served with cream floating on top. Alcoholic drinks of different colours are sometime served and the experiment these students were shown also works because saline and fresh water have different densities. That's what they were shown and Dawkins simply confirmed how they's been misled. As soon as convection begins salt and fresh water mix.
Oh my God. I can not finish this video. I tried to watch it several times but it is impossible. Topic should have been "John is absurd and devoid of logic and meaning".
Surah Al-Qiyama, Verse 3: أَيَحْسَبُ الْإِنسَانُ أَلَّن نَّجْمَعَ عِظَامَهُ Does man think that We shall not gather his bones? Surah Al-Qiyama, Verse 4: بَلَىٰ قَادِرِينَ عَلَىٰ أَن نُّسَوِّيَ بَنَانَهُ Yea! We are able to reconstruct his very fingertips. via iQuran
It seemed he was full of scorn and tried to ridicule Imran and the audience (mostly Muslim) constantly. He was almost drunk on his arrogance... But Allah Ta'aalaa is able to guide those with enmity in their hearts more than this man has.
I can sympathize with Noah (as); 950 years of jihad against shirk and just a handful of believers. I can see why he would want destruction for those people. Today until the Hour will be a test between Islam and atheism. Christianity is dying along with their perishes; and it was the Christians who gave birth to atheism (book burning, inquisitions, absurd premises about God). Dajjalic atheism is what I like to call it because of the age we live in. May Allah protect the believers and give us a mercy especially from Him.
John is condescending and unfortunately Philosophically weak. John needs to practice debating in order to stay on topic. If he studied the philosophy of science and understood it. He could only continue to hold his views in a state of denial. Old guys like him are set in their way. May Allah guide him.
At 1:15:00 imran confronted him about his inconsistencies with what he accepts to be true , so he started BS'ing to waste time , excuse me but it's true , you need to be honest and aware of wether you're deluding your self into believing something or not.
Masha Allah our brother Imran really constructed his points in the most logical, practical and theological way! Made it very easy to understand and was able to show us the contradictions that most atheists follow.
How can you reject faith in ALLAH? Seeing that you were without life, and He gave you life, Then will He cause to die, and will again bring you to life and again to Him will you return. Qur'an Al-Baqaral 2/28 This is great question from our Creator ALLAH (God) for humanity
John Richards rebutle: "no, its not". Where's reasoning? when people start to use science as the only route to truth they become idealistic with it, that's called 'scientism', its not a different name for the scientific method.
*THE HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE* Atheist, don't engage in debate if your not going to prepare for it! Being unprepared and bullshitting your way through a discussion is the height of arrogance.
Great debate. I really wish it was extended during the questioning when John Richards said he only believed in what could be tested or reproduced. Loved your India example but next time use Pakistan 😊. So he was willing to believe in things that he had not tested or reproduced but since they could be then he would accept them as true. I wanted him to be questioned more here and wondering how I could respond to him when he said that? One thing that comes to mind is I can ask him if he believes historical facts that he can not test nor reproduce. Please give me some other responses I can use against his argument.
45 minutes in (both sides have given their opening statements) and imran made a very eloquent and thought provoking discussion while John, who had the same amount of time, I felt covered hardly anything... I was very surprised when his time ran out.
Just like you cannot see gravity but know it's existence because of the effects you see around, in the same way the intelligence in everything within the universe that has form and function, one can derive the same understanding which we attribute to accepting Gravity, that a creator exist and entity has instilled form, intelligence and laws into creation
Jonatan D exactly my take too.. there is great mystery about the "Creator's" properties but one can measure the creation of the creator with great accuracy and predictions
Imran may Allah bless you and increase your patience. This man knew he was beat so he went on tangents to try and wind down the time (like the MRI, Patry Dish Experiment, etc.). It's a trick used by losers when they know they are beat and they want to sound smart and educated.
I feel like John just sat there making jokes bout all religions (Christian’s, muslims etc.) yes both are different but in all religions you at least have purpose to live and a way of living. Without religion one gets depressed and finds he or she has no meaning to live. I’ve experienced moments in my life I believed I had no purpose and even wanted to die. But when you realise you have a purpose it makes you happier.
But some atheists are very close minded and no matter what you can’t change their minds. I love all religions and don’t believe they got to follow mine. Atheists don’t have morals. They don’t believe you have no follow any rules etc. those who grow up with religion know that in religion killing someone is not allowed! if atheists don’t have these kind of rules they can kill anyone and so what they are their own boss. Find your purpose.
True...at times they consider human being as just another species of animal kingdom and at other times they make it of a being with full freedom and will to exercise whatever they want. They forget the fact that humans are the only species who improved and progressed their life style by time. A buffalo some 10000 years ago lives almost same of today's buffalo. It drinks water by pressing it's mouth against water but a human even 200 years ago have very different life standards or patterns. This can't be accudental
@@alexnorth3393 I will use logic to proof to you that God exists. First of all something can't create itself and it can't come from nothing that is logicaly impossible so there must be a being which has caused all existence and I called the one God Allah . Now we all we know that this universe is fine- tuned and logicaly to create anything that is not random or fine-tuned or balanced from its core then you need some knowlge and wisdom the the creation is complicated the more knowlge and wisdom the creater has and also you need consciousness in order to save the knowlge and wisdom and to witness the creation process. So logicaly speaking there is God and logicaly no one created God and that we called it Allah. Now to believe that someone is a prophet he needs a miracle to prove that he is from God( we Muslims believe Juses, Ibraheem etc. Are prohets of Allah and they have there miracles) and the miracle of Mohammed is the holy Qurun from the challenge of bringing something like the Qurun which the Arabs and the whole world failed in it (you need to understand Arabic in order to know it) and the scientific miracles and historical miracles and I encourage you to read the Qurun and watch a video called 27 undeniable scientific miracles of the Qurun and a video called top 10 facts mentioned in the Qurun and I ask Allah to guide us All Amen
I don't know where people like you get their information from, what I do know is that you should investigate from Islamic sources and not from third parties. but I know you will not because the only thing you are looking for is something that tries to contradict Islam even if that same information is wrong
In this video, at certain moment (i forget), Richards expressed the reasoning behind how consciousness arose from mere material by giving example of Silicon's mechanism in computer. Computer itself is an example that to create something intelligent enough to compute from a material you need another intelligent mind behind it to create. Silicon has always been there in the earth but only it became meaningful in terms of computation is because computer has a creator who used silicon in specific way to do it. In similar argument we can conclude that to get biological life from material it requires some intelligent mind to make it work...
I think without God the Almighty... Life will be meaningless... Emptiness.... its just matter and if it's just a matter so what is the matter.... Darkness beyond... Darkness..
Bruh Muhammad pbuh made an array of predictions that came true, one of the most famous is his prediction about barefoot dessert nomads (inhabitants of the Middle East at the time) would later on compete over building larger and larger building. Am sure everyone reading this knows how accurate that is.
For this scientist I will question one thing since he kept going off about the probability being a false comparison. Entropy is a scientific and universal process that states that things will tend to become more disorderly as time goes on. This can be applied to the system of our universe. From this disorderly process then how is it possible that earth with perfect conditions for human life was formed and even further so humans(complex organism). This is like saying if given enough time an airplane would appear in your backyard when we know that airplane had a manufacturer as well as someone placed it there. Yet we can’t believe that the same for humans? May allah guide those who are misguided to the right path including myself.
1:02:04 "give me evidence for a God" . How many nations in the past were given evidence and they were utterly destroyed? Time is my Master's witness and proof against this man and those like him and those who support him. May Allah give the muslims strength for the hard fitnah ahead.
Just like the Quran says to a disbeliever its the same whether u warn him, give him proof or not. Only Allah can guide them but many of the disbelievers dont even want to be guided. "I dont want the truth" is what I was told and very similar things by multiple Pray to Allah to keep us on the right path and guide many more seeking the truth
@Moderator brother of this debate... the question that asked, "Everything within the universe is limited..." was written correctly where it says "is limited". It is not "are limited". It would be "are limited" if the question was written like, "All things within the universe are limited..."
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In minute 1:02:51 Mr.John Richards said "we are the judge." to say which life is valuable and which is not and in minute 1:03:20 he accused Imran by saying "you are making humans a judge". :-)
You caught onto that too. Glad I was not the only one.
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He made a lot of such paradoxical statements
Am waiting for an athiest to explain the "context" just like christians.
@@bgyvccggn3447 religious people here are getting desperate nitpicking like this. Ok, let's say he slipped up and make a contradiction. So what? You still haven't proven that any god exists. What a waste of time.
Imran Hussein is an ex atheist...
An intellectual muslim now.. Mashallah... ❤
"Science is the only way to truth" a claim which cannot be scientifically verified... 🤦♂️
"Science is the single most reliable pathway to truth that we know of" there I fixed it. Faith is not a reliable path to truth given that I could take any position on faith.
@@RocketDRA Again, that's a philosophical statement which cannot be scientifically verified.
The reality is, science itself is based on philosophical and axiomatic presuppositions which themselves can't be scientifically verified because science itself assumes they are true. So you literally have to concede that axiomatic realities are better pathways to truth than science in order to avoid the circular reasoning. This is why saying science is the most reliable pathway to truth is a nonsensical statement.
@Abdikadir Abdiwahid So for example, the scientific method itself employs reasoning such as testimony in order to gather scientific data. Testimony is a valid truth standard.
Also, intuition. Science uses maths as a tool but science doesn't prove maths. We don't know 1+1=2 because of science, we know because of our intuition. That's where axioms come from.
@@catsandmusic4635 Sure you must be so wise, If science didnt work you wouldt be typing on your supercomputer, on a world wider Internet Developed with the scientific method... You sir are a loser....Please name a better relieble way to truth... And science can verify that science works lol you dumb.
@@catsandmusic4635 Hahahahah What is your highest level of education?
The speakers seemed respectable enough. Lets keep respect and composure to even those whom we dont agree upon.
👍🙏
Hamza Tzortzis vs Richard Dawkins would be a good one .
Dawkins would have an opportunity to reach millions of Muslims and preach his religion.
but he knows Bro Hamza will slap him so hard with truth, that it will have the opposite effect.
I don't think Hamza debates anymore, he'd rather have discussions.
Hijab VS Dawkins
@@JAZIBKALEEM please improve your English grammar.. I'm quite confused with your statement.
@@RodRigo-vl6fl that would be the big one. I hope one day it happens.
Iqbal: “This one prostration (before God) which you feel burdensome rids man of thousands of prostrations.” alt. “All these worldly possessions and treasures, all relations and connections are nothing but the idols created by false imaginings. The only truth is that there is no God but Allah.”
@Valeek Rafeeh please explain? And which country do you originate from?
Blesse you my brother ...from algeria
Why call yourself Atheist Alliance when you don't like being tagged atheist ?
Hahahahaha this is the realest question xD
@Rushi Integrity the debate is about a specific sect of atheism called "naturalism". Which Richard subscribes to.
@Rushi Integrity We make generalizations based off underlying inplications of adopting an aetheistic worldview that are common among its sects. It is not a straw man as first of all Imran defined the terms he would be discussing which was an aethiest perspective through the lens of naturalism and scientism. These views reduce people into different rearrangements of matter, with no objective difference between them besides their arrangement and quantity. The only perception of difference is shallow sentement which although admirable, is only the result of the firing of neutrons in ones brain causing the feelings of emotion and attachment detremental to survival. This is naturalism; the explanations of nature based off of physical phenomena.
@Rushi Integrity the discussion at hand is not arguments for or against the existence of God. The discussion at hand is to explore the implications for believing and subscribing to an aethiest worldview especially through the lens of naturalism which seems to be the most reoccurring and popular trend across the myriad of aethiest beliefs. It is not an argument for the existence of God but rather is a refutation that adopting aethiesm as the objective truth will in a way enlighten society and uninhibit people from doing actions which otherwise would be restricted through religion. Naturalists do not consider the fact that when they reduce everything down to either random processes or in a euphemistic way non fine tuned processes that they remove any objective purpose in life besides human desire. This implication as Frederick Niche explored leads to Nihilism.
Also, to say that life is absurd without God does not necessarily imply that because of this God exists. Rather again it exposes the utopian mindset of the new aetheist movement that their worldview is objectively better (which as Imran said that calling it objective is a problem in of itself) and that religious people are "missing out."
Just as John Richards discussed as he claimed life is absurd without God is also an assumption that God does not exist simply because he believes in his worldview and apparently has not received any evidence that God exists. The claim that we assume that God exists is an argument which also assumes either that God does not exist or that their is no evidence for God. This is also an assumption. So to an extent both views are subjective and that is ok as the topic of discussion is not on God's existence but rather what view resonates with human nature better, what view answers our existential questions better (or at all), and whether or not can life be truly meaningful without God.
Yh that’s stupid he is 🙈. He just want to spread propaganda, and just to get buy that’s all; he has nothing to spread atheism or idk ...
May Allah swt guide him.
Good to see Imran in a debate scenario.
Thanks for iERA team , Imran Hussein and John Richards for this amazing debate , it's really respectful
but they were few time for discussion. I like more the discussion part because it confront and it is better than 2 long monologues.
*“We were with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) in Dhul-Hulaifah, when we saw a dead sheep lifting its leg (because of bloating). He said: 'Don't you think this is worthless to its owner? By the One in Whose hand is my soul, this world is more worthless to Allah than this (dead sheep) is to its owner. If this world was worth the wing of a mosquito to Allah, the disbeliever would not have a drop to drink from it."*
Our prophet pbuh already told us that this planet and all that it contains is worthless to Allah The Most High and Almighty. So rather, this atheist is affirming the truth and refuting himself in doing so, whilst thinking he made a clever point in an attempt to deceive the audience. One of the wisdoms of the size of the universe is for us to witness that Allah *IS* All Powerful, sadly the reality is that Allah SWT is too great for some atheists to comprehend and believe in.
Sunnan Ibn Majah English reference : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4110
This is from the best man ever prophet MUHAMMAD (PBUH)
Can you expand on that? Do believers in islam, believe that Allah does not regard humanity and the earth as special or is this your own interpretation? I ask as this is a belief I hold in regards to my own conception of God.
@Planck M. assalamu alaykum brother do u have a twitter
@@Celtic_Iron look brother, The hadith says the world,the universe which of course to Allah is not important and that is exactly why He will destroy everything on this Earth, What is important to him Is the Life more importantly the Humans or Humanity, That is why there is judgement for them. In a nutshell, I ll say Allah cares about life not about what holds it if you know what i mean. And whatever I have said right Is from Allah and whatever is wrong is from myself. May you be guided.Ameen
May Allah reward you for your efforts Bro Imran. You did a really good job. With all due respect to John Richards, his arguments were mostly weak. He clearly lacks knowledge of Islam and also of the philosophy of science. Atheists/Anti-theists need to learn to stop grouping all religions in the same box. It's too common to see an atheist debating a Muslim but clearly prepared to debate a Christian.
Who else noticed Yusuf(The pondering soul) in the audience 😀
grey wolf allhumdulillah
@@zainanwar2253 There is a glaring problem with debates like these in addition to a problem with the debate question..."Is life absurd without God?" The question assumes that there is convincing evidence for God as a real entity. Before such a question is asked shouldn't there first be convincing evidence that a God actually exists? Without such convincing evidence, "God" is simply an idea invented by humans to give us explanations for things we don't understand and for things we don't know. Granted that Hussein has a particular belief in a particular god, still throughout the debate, he simply argued as if his particular god was a reality without having to provide convincing evidence that his god actually existed. I think the title of the debate would have been more accurate if it was formulated as..."Is life absurd without beliefs in god?" Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that his god exists. Even more precise is that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's god exists. And even more precise is to say that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's IDEAs about god are actually true. In a debate like this, one should not be allowed to simply assume that one's particular god exists. It would be more honest to say that one is arguing based on one's beliefs and opinions about a particular god.
What would Imran say to the questions..."Is life absurd without the Trinity?" or "Is life absurd without Shiva?"
Imran's arguments were the waekest, he acted as if god exists and it's a known fact, John on the other hand kept backing up his claims with evidence to support it, Imran was just going off emotions and not providing any evidence to back up his religion, and what really made me loose braincells was towards the ending when they were asked the question "how can we use the scientific method to prove that god is real when god could be residing in q completely different reality" and Irman replied, "just because it can't be proven doesn't mean it's not true" and that's just a weak and copeium argument, and i can tell that you didn't listen to the other side and clearly didn't understand anything that was debated in this video, you sir lack the required IQ to comprehend the world around you
He answered that point, by insinuating that he really didn't need to jump into it as you first have to prove that a god - any god - exists. Otherwise, it's just a waste of his time.
IERA steady manufacturing giants for the Deen. Why are all these aheists always in shambles. Surprise us pls
steadily*, as it's being used as an adverb here.
@@zakaria_chana lol, it's slang but okay.
@@Islander2000he was ex christian. If there were ex muslim, he would blew away
@@skepticoeye6785 lol, okay
@@skepticoeye6785 nice joke lol
Potential for an amazing debate here, unfortunately i "believe" John Richards isnt the best speaker for Atheism
He isn't particularly good, no. I say that as an atheist.
Sure bacteria adapted and got stronger but it stayed as bacteria it didn't change and became a fish 🐠 for example it didn't change it's species
Exactly. Evolution is only subtle adaptation to environments. Not switching species like Pokemon 😂
@Zaheer Mangerah I think evolution is human development from conception to birth in Three veils / trimesters Allah swt knows best
@@Travellahh thats wrong. Speciation happens all the time. Species can and do change
@@deadsheep404
Evidence pls.
Who cares the only thing we can observe does not lead to change of species
Mashallah... Bro Imran Hussein. You are very humble and knowledgeable.
You always answer with maturity and clarity and very specific to the point when answering. I wish you also learn Islamic aqeedah and manhaj which is very important for those muslim brothers who give dawah and debate for the sake of Allah not because of thier whims and worldly gains or desires.
We love you for the sake of Allah.
May Allah bless you and give you health to carry on and debate with thier top prominent athiests who try to promote Atheism in muslim majority countries.
Ameen....
Asalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu Akhi Imran,
MaaShaaAllah... I ask Allah aza wa jal to make this from your good deeds...and to allow you to keep on doing this...
Can't wait for Hamza Tzortzis debate 😎
Who is hamza debating and when?
@de 😂 hamza tzortzis will smash him....
@@averageenjoyer4048 😂
@de What's the timestamp where he says that?
@@nothingcamefromnothing23ye53 inshallah
Mashallah may Allah guide this man. And may Allah bless Imran bro.
Beautiful rebuttal by brother Imran, couldn’t have been better Alhamdulilah, very eloquent and rational, one thing I would add is the Quranic verse regarding size of universe where Allah swt says....
“And surely the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of mankind”
Alhamdulillah great Debate brother imran 😎😎😎
From this video, it is clear that a Creator must exist.
Hamza Awad exactly bro. Someone is so smart yet they cannot even realize that they should consider Islam’s book. Speak in context.
The guys a angry atheist as they always are.
He has no clue what he’s doing. Just making money talking like an atheist and writing books.
He doesn’t even read our book. Yet we say our book is the evidence of god. Allahs says it’s evidence. So that’s his evidence, but he won’t read the evidence. He continues saying show me evidence.
What a doomed man. We pray for Allah to guide us and not misguide like those that have earned his wrath. Allah has closed his heart. He gave him such extreme intelligence. Yet his intelligence is not allowing him to be open minded enough to read the Quaran and debate Islam.
@@waqidj What would change your mind?
Definetly not allah.
@@RocketDRA
Chapter 20 of Qur'aan
1. Ta-Ha
2. We have not sent down the Qur'an unto you (O Muhammad ) to cause you distress,
3. But only as a Reminder to those who fear (Allah).
4. A revelation from Him (Allah) Who has created the earth and high heavens.
5. The Most Beneficent (Allah) Istawa (rose over) the (Mighty) Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty).
6. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth, and all that is between them, and all that is under the soil.
7. And if you (O Muhammad ) speak (the invocation) aloud, then verily, He knows the secret and that which is yet more hidden.
8. Allah! La ilahla illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He)! To Him belong the Best Names.
9. And has there come to you the story of Musa (Moses)?
10. When he saw a fire, he said to his family: "Wait! Verily, I have seen a fire, perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire."
11. And when he came to it (the fire), he was called by name: "O Musa (Moses)!
12. "Verily! I am your Lord! So take off your shoes, you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa.
13. "And I have chosen you. So listen to that which is inspired to you.
14. "Verily! I am Allah! La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) for My Remembrance.
15. "Verily, the Hour is coming and My Will is to keep it hidden that every person may be rewarded for that which he strives.
16. "Therefore, let not the one who believes not therein (i.e. in the Day of Resurrection, Reckoning, Paradise and Hell, etc.), but follows his own lusts, divert you therefrom, lest you perish.
@Biggus Dickus
The arguments presented in the video.....e.g defination of morals and justice of crimes and accountability.....the world becomes meaningless without a end judgement....
This is so cringe listening to this atheist Wallahi,
I’m 36 minutes in this so far and I’ve heard Imran make wonderful points on how atheism doesn’t coincide with human nature and how atheism leads to nihilism
And all I heard from the opposition so far is a math lesson of how long it takes to count to a million 😂😂😂
Doesn’t this guy know Allah is omnipresent and omnipotent and omniscient
Moreover what a complete joke saying we don’t have evidence for God someone needs to read the divine reality
I can already tell he’s ignorant in philosophy and theology, may Allah give me sabr while listening to this guy
But so far excellent work brother Imran
Allah is fictional, be intelligent please.
Alex North
What’s the purpose of life?
@@mohammadhdiebi3249 to breed...
Atheism is literally just a “lack of belief.” That’s it. Everything else attributed to atheism is a straw man logical fallacy 🙄
Alex North Science is fictional by that logic
Assalamualikum brothers and sisters,
Please avoid using deregotary language. We are above that Alhamdulillah.
We are the best of people because we enjoin good and forbid evil.
So please let's keep it peaceful 😊✌
Atheists people needs Alot of schooling
@@belalrahim5835 that is right but Allah swt commands us to not treat them harshly because they will not listen and instead will run away
There was one man behaving with intelligence, integrity, honesty and respectfulness and one clearly lacking. I think it was clear to everyone watching which was which.
Trueeee
Yeah, you got that right.
Not really, you just bias.... Leaving Islam is the best I have ever done. And Im happy to be part of the wave of humans that advocate for the reforming of retrograde religious Ideologies. Islam needs a reform to empower woman and NON-Muslims in their societies.
@@RocketDRA Rather, it's you or I who are filtered out, if we 'leave' the way of life Ordained by God /Allah / the Creator.
I would say good luck in finding some kind of joy in whatever it is you misplace your life in while you're alive here, but I know what the joys of this life entail in comparison to what the human being is granted within himself when submitted to the Creator alone, devoting themselves to Him and seeking Him.
@@fakrulislam9333 Think about the Billions if humans that have lived in peace, in happiness, non muslims, non cristians, non hindus, you for sure dont need to praze imaginary gods to be happy...I recomend you to explore other perspectives cuz your way is not the only way, and probably not the best way.
How on Earth this man could teach science, not knowing basics of the philosophy of science?! Realism/anti-realism, fallibalism, the limitations of science etc. That's just ridiculous!
Next.
Because that's philosophy and not science. Imran was going on about testimony. Testimony isn't revelant in science. As John said, a scientific theory has to make a testable prediction like the big bang. People had done maths, interpreted it to mean that the universe was born in the big bang, then made predictions, observed those predictions with telescopes and the LHC. The scientfic theory now needs to stand the test of time for a little while longer before it becomes a scientific rule.
Now, know the important thing is that I can do all these steps for myself. Science and philosophy couldn't be more different so let's not confuse them. Important questions can be answered with philosophical arguments taking into account scientific facts. Science can't answer these questions at all as they aren't scientific questions at all.
@@SerTempleton what you just produced is the philosophy of science. The methodology, the roots, the demarcations and limits of scientific method and endeavour - all of this is established by the philosophers of science. And falsification is not always and not the only criteria. There are examples.
@Arianit Krasniqi care to elaborate.
@@ЗаурГучетль-г3ч I agree with you that all this had been established by philosophers. Philosophy is the root of nearly all knowledge. But that doesn't mean that science and philosophy are the same. One is built on logical reasoning and another on observation and evidence.
@Arianit Krasniqi of course testimony isnt relevant in science because when you give ur testimony you have to back it up with evidence otherwise is not relevant.
Min 55 John says he isn’t an Atheist yet wait he is representing Atheist Alliance International!
😂😂😂😂😂
How can he make historical claims without observable evidence?
Great point!!!!
I was expecting brother Imran to come up with this point, it seems that he was preoccupied with some other points!
@@shannawas9536 the debate was "Is Life Absurd Without God?" not "does God exist". He had to cover the question more directly to keep within the time restrictions.
@@jawaadshahid
We believe in history not based on observation, That's what we are talking about!
You mean how like you make claims about god without evidence
oh my god, this man is so ignorant it was painful to watch, he doesn't understand epistemology, he doesn't know the difference between science and scientism, he accepts nihilism but makes value judgments throughout the debate.
I'm very disappointed, I expected an atheist who more or less knows what he's talking about.
@Honor
Religion is a delusion for the weak minded.
@@alexnorth3393 same can be said for atheism! It's a weak cop out!
@@yaqubjordaan9854 There is a glaring problem with debates like these in addition to a problem with the debate question..."Is life absurd without God?" The question assumes that there is convincing evidence for God as a real entity. Before such a question is asked shouldn't there first be convincing evidence that a God actually exists? Without such convincing evidence, "God" is simply an idea invented by humans to give us explanations for things we don't understand and for things we don't know. Granted that Hussein has a particular belief in a particular god, still throughout the debate, he simply argued as if his particular god was a reality without having to provide convincing evidence that his god actually existed. I think the title of the debate would have been more accurate if it was formulated as..."Is life absurd without beliefs in god?" Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that his god exists. Even more precise is that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's god exists. And even more precise is to say that Imran Hussein has no convincing evidence that Muhammad's IDEAs about god are actually true. In a debate like this, one should not be allowed to simply assume that one's particular god exists. It would be more honest to say that one is arguing based on one's beliefs and opinions about a particular god.
What would Imran say to the questions..."Is life absurd without the Trinity?" or "Is life absurd without Shiva?"
Yeah, he was an absolute waste of time.
@Kuffar Legion Atheism is not a worldview nor an ideology, sure it has consequences and is related more or less to some ideologies and philosophical ideas but in itself, it's nothing more than a cognitive position, there is nothing to explain about it.
Brother Imran smashed it, MashaAllah 👍
False
Thanks for your patience, Imran!
We need more debates like these. It really helps people learn. We want brother Imran, Hamza, Hijab and the other brothers to engage in more debates with atheists.
Why is Richard making it so long to emphasise the earth is insignificant when our Prohpet Muhammad P.U.B already said that the earth is so much smaller like a ring in the Sahara desert and that is straightforward everyone knows how small it is. The reason Prohpet Muhammad said that so that you do not have pride when u pray cuz your insignificant, however, Allah said that I have created many creation but out of all my creation human is my first best creation ever, but you won’t know that when u don’t have God in you
Actually were not the best but we're definitely one of the best
What is John Richards talking about? Utterly incoherent.
But islam with flying donkeys and the earth on the back of a whale is what ? Islamic Science ?
@@fpiatek90
No "flying donkey" or "earth on back of a whale" in Islam.
@@fpiatek90 worthless, no substance in your comment
@@mikerevs34 Mohammed was flying on a donkey to jerusalem. And for the earth is on a back of a whale just read tafsir 68:1 from ibn kathir, ibn abbas, al jalalayn etc...
@@mdkeida3691 Are you sure ? What is this than ? :
And from his narration on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas that he said regarding the interpretation of Allah's saying (Nun): '(Nun) He says: Allah swears by the Nun, which is the whale that carries the earths on its back while in Water, and beneath which is the Bull and under the Bull is the Rock and under the Rock is the Dust and none knows what is under the Dust save Allah. The name of the whale is Liwash, and it is said its name is Lutiaya'; the name of the bull is Bahamut, and some say its name is Talhut or Liyona. The whale is in a sea called 'Adwad, and it is like a small bull in a huge sea. The sea is in a hollowed rock whereby there is 4,000 cracks, and from each crack water springs out to the earth. It is also said that Nun is one of the names of the Lord; it stands for the letter Nun in Allah's name al-Rahman (the Beneficent); and it is also said that a Nun is an inkwell. (By the pen) Allah swore by the pen. This pen is made of light and its height is equal to the distance between Heaven and earth. It is with this pen that the Wise Remembrance, i.e. the Guarded Tablet, was written. It is also said that the pen is one of the angels by whom Allah has sworn, (and that which they write (therewith)) and Allah also swore by what the angels write down of the works of the children of Adam,
hes so slippery cos he is not even clarifying his position
same with testimony
I agree, imran was inconsistent
@@asdflma0 if u watched the debate,john couldn't even define epistemology , or testimony,he said testimony
Min 46 😂 John admits he hasn’t read or learnt much on Islam and Qur’an.
Mic drop 🎤
Bob Jim I don’t think they were valid. They were weak and ill informed and based on hate towards theism. It’s not that straight forward. It was too simplistic. Also contradictory to his liberalist view yet no tolerance for religion. Science isn’t the only answer and we know science changes etc etc
@@Tayibah2003
Science knowledge is updated when it's clear it is wrong or incomplete. Religion tends to stay the same despite not being able to prove their claims.
@@jonatand2045 We believe that the religions before islam were like you suggested "updated" by the people. That lead to their destruction and holes in their theories/arguments. Islam is a perfect religion and is unchanged to this day. The reason is that it is perfect.There is no need to make any change. Quran is a book of signs not science. But we have seen science discoveries that have confirmed what quran said. It is perfect in its lingustic tone, there are no internal conflicts unlike the "updated" scriptures. Plus, the scholars have given multiple evidences on its "claims".
One more reason that it is unchanged is because allah has also taken upon the task of protect and preserve the quran.
@@haadzahid129
Muslim apologists usually interpret the quran in a way that fits with current knowledge. They are wrong, the quran is limited to knowledge from the middle ages. It contains errors like man beong created from clay, the earth being flat (spread out like a carpet) and geocemtrism (the sun orbits like the moon).
_Serial killer Atheist Jeffrey Dahmer once said in a TV interview that:_
*_“If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then-then what’s the point of trying to modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing._*
Quoting a deranged serial killer shows just how stupid you are.
@@Ill_drink_to_that Was that the case for Hitler too? he too believe in evolutionary survival of fittest or the communist czar going to Siberia or communist Chinese who are doing the same with Uyghurs. The 19 and 20th century is filled with dogmatic wars based on the atheistic propositions. Atheist believe in self-opinions and have no moral grounding to hold on to nor can be trusted for their commitments, and that is what makes atheism more radical. What atheist care about if their moral proposition is of social usefulness or not, without taking into account of their implication or consequences.
Let mi quote a serial killers, which killed millions, if not even a billions up to date, and the quotes are short as that:
"alahu akbar", "in the name of god", "god wish it".
Thank God for religion. May Allah bless you Imran
﴿سورة غافر ٥٧﴾ لَخَلْقُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ أَكْبَرُ مِنْ خَلْقِ النَّاسِ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
[Quran 40:57] Certainly the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of humanity, but most people do not know.
Masha Allah Imran hussein your so correct about what you said of life is absurd without God or not
If at least one single person in the audience now has some reasons to think things over about their religious beliefs and the world as we know it, this was a success.
Richards did not have any defined position. He was flipping back n forth, back n forth.
because there was too much to talk about
iera may god bless u brothers and sisters, you guys are producing high educated people, Hamza . Hijab Imran...💪🏻
Wow. This is comedy from the atheist
I'm sure you're very impressed by the Muslim speaker's demagoguery from a position of faith (a position from the absence of evidence).
i dont think so.. he is smart
Beautiful point by brother Imran regarding testimony, this argument got Lawrence Krause off target on the debate with Hamza, and it is throwing this guy off target now
overall, it was a beautiful well thought out debate on the side of our brother Imran Hussein, and I felt as if the message of Islam was expressed in a nice manner, there were many gems throughout this video, It was a good debate which will hopefully teach many about Islam
btw I watched this through twice and I can't help think of any point which John brought up, with all due respect to John but it was a poor showing on his part, InshAllah more of these to come for bro Imran he did fantastic
I loved this debate. I found both participants very personable and who doesn't enjoy a debate where both sides show this level of respect to each other? I did find some comments from Imran to be somewhat patronising, the way he would say "I'll try to make this a simple as I can for you", comments like I find unbecoming of a public intellectual; it is a passive aggressive comment. The irony is however that it was Imran who couldn't (or wouldn't) grasp the simplicity of the information, and examples, that John was providing.
I personally feel that it has nothing to do with Imrans intelligence. I find it to be a matter of honesty. Cognitive dissonance. He chooses, like most theists, to dismiss knowledge that apparently contradicts their belief. That is to say theists are not interested in open mindedness lol. Religion is a closed minded belief system.
Nevertheless I thoroughly enjoyed the debate. Thank you for doing this guys.
@Ninja FEESE which point would that be? 😄
Had to watch this at 2x speed. Richard just naturally speaks slow
sameee lol he didn't even say that many things
Thank you from France! This video is a huge pedagogical tool
The part I loved ❤48:33 haha lolz I never thought imran would approach it with a storm ⚡ Bring the thunder ⚡Allah Ho akbar
Whn is the nxt debate!! fayysst plz, cant wait. love brother Imran. May Allah guide all the human beings, Allahuma Ameen
Imran: atheism can’t point the finger at religion and make moral judgments
Atheist: I agree, but imma still make moral judgments
This is literally what I’m watching right now 40 minutes in
Moreover can someone explain to this guy how abiogenesis is basically magic, chemistry turning into biology, and then he proceeds to call heaven magic
🤦♂️🤦♂️
Atheists can still make moral judgments simply because they are humans. Religion doesn't get to have a monopoly on morality.
Abiogenesis is just nonliving matter in the right place and time finding itself configured in a way that we would call living. That doesn't violate any physical laws. Heaven is just a fantasy.
Jonatan D
How can atheists make moral judgement when they have nothing to base there morality on?????? The most militant atheists admit this such as Bertrand Russell, Richards Dawkins and even Nietzsche, the best you can get from atheism is subjectivity but that denotes the whole point of objective morality
@@mohammadhdiebi3249
There is no objective morality, religions claims to have it, but within them there are usually different interpretations of dogma.
Jonatan D
Perfect!!!! If you want to accept there is no objective morality be all means, but this is why Nietzsche was so worried about such an approach, because anyone can justify doing anything
I appreciate the honesty, but that’s a little scary if there was no such thing as objective morality, but I believe there is as humans intuitively believe things like killing is wrong, rape is wrong etc and humans intuitively value many things
On atheism this makes no sense as everything is just a rearrangement of matter, no difference between cutting a tree in half and cutting a human in half
Theism best makes sense if this, specifically Islam because we have a concept of the fitrah (innate disposition which God placed in side of us) this fitrah recognizes God but the prophet pbuh told us society clouds this fitrah through socialization
This is why the 2011 Oxford study concluded humans are born believes in a immaterial supernatural being by doing thousands of tests on various children
Islam makes sense of this data better than atheism or the Darwinian mechanism
@@mohammadhdiebi3249
Atheism doesn't say human morality makes no sense. That's just a conclusions that some might reach from it. Atheism and human morality aren't incompatible.
Religion makes many claims, but needs to prove them. It is not enough to claim that god did something.
He said
“I can accept testimony as long as it can be tested there has to be a challenge”
Quran is the the evidence
And the challenge is already given
The falsification test
“Bring a Chapter or verse like it”
The Qur'an is full of absurd mistakes. Even worse are the false claims Muslims make about it. You can't prove a book with a book.
@@byteme9718 mistakes such as...?
@@sunwukong32 Quran 25.53 for a start. There is no barrier between fresh and salt water and they do mix.
@@byteme9718 For a start u need to get off Apostate Prophet's channel and his "43 scientific mistakes in the Quran".
U clearly havent even checked if he was correct as u, just like him, are reffering to Chapter 23 verse 53 while that talks about something totally different.
However let me still clarify this "error"
Ur actually reffering to
Quran Chapter 55: verses 19-20
He released the two seas, meeting [side by side];
Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses.
There is a phenomenon which we call as halocline and a similar phenomenon called the thermocline. The Quran addresses the points where sweet and salt water meet and says there is an invisible barrier called as بَرْزَخٌ (barzakhun). There thing we see here as the miracle and what the Quran describes is just this phenomenon that we can see. We also know that there were no records of this 1400 years ago, especially in the deserts of Arabia.
A lot of non-Muslims, including the famous atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, try and prove the Quran wrong by using this verse and say that sweet and salt water can mix. Richard Dawkins told us to get a glass of salt water and a glass of sweet water and mix them, with this he thought he debunked the Quran.
The Quran is just speaking about those phenomenons that we can observe, in fact the word that is translated as “He released” is مَرَجَ (maraja) and this word can also mean mix/jumble. What we should also keep in mind is that the barrier is not specified, it is just an unseen barrier and only god knows how big, wide and deep that barrier is.
Dr. William Hay, a well known marine scientist and Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A. also confirmed these phenomenons and was amazed and confused that this was mentioned in a book from 1400 years ago.
@@TheGamingTraktor I'm an advanced SCUBA diver who's completed over 1000 dives and I know exactly what a "thermocline" is. The clue is in the name you halfwit, THERMO! Divers are trained to recognise them and take appropriate precautions as they're frequently encountered. Three dives ago I descended down through two that dropped the temperature from nearly 30 degrees to 24 and then just under 20. I've dived the same spot many times and never encountered that and all in relatively shallow water.
As you have mentioned 55.19-20 lets deal with that. First of all NOWHERE ON EARTH DO SEAS NOT MIX! Secondly you defence states "A lot of non-Muslims, including the famous atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, try and prove the Quran wrong by using this verse and say that sweet and salt water can mix." YOUR MEAN THE VERSE I REFERENCED THAT YOU IGNORED? As you seem to be using Sahih 25.53 states "And it is He who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition." which is obviously rubbish hence me offering it to Sun Wukong and you ignoring it.
You say "Dawkins told us to get a glass of salt water and a glass of sweet water and mix them," No, that's not what he said. He asked if that's what Muslim students believed to which they all replied yes because this is how Quranic proof had been presented to them is a faith school. The fact is many liquids do not initially mix. Coffee is often served with cream floating on top. Alcoholic drinks of different colours are sometime served and the experiment these students were shown also works because saline and fresh water have different densities. That's what they were shown and Dawkins simply confirmed how they's been misled. As soon as convection begins salt and fresh water mix.
Oh my God. I can not finish this video. I tried to watch it several times but it is impossible. Topic should have been "John is absurd and devoid of logic and meaning".
Surah Al-Qiyama, Verse 3:
أَيَحْسَبُ الْإِنسَانُ أَلَّن نَّجْمَعَ عِظَامَهُ
Does man think that We shall not gather his bones?
Surah Al-Qiyama, Verse 4:
بَلَىٰ قَادِرِينَ عَلَىٰ أَن نُّسَوِّيَ بَنَانَهُ
Yea! We are able to reconstruct his very fingertips.
via iQuran
No disrespect to him, but he isn't very articulate, rather someone who pauses for effect, but for a little too long 😂😂
At least he has curiosity which InshaAllah, might make him realize Islam is truth
Haytham inshallah
but yo he's interesting
It seemed he was full of scorn and tried to ridicule Imran and the audience (mostly Muslim) constantly. He was almost drunk on his arrogance... But Allah Ta'aalaa is able to guide those with enmity in their hearts more than this man has.
I can sympathize with Noah (as); 950 years of jihad against shirk and just a handful of believers. I can see why he would want destruction for those people.
Today until the Hour will be a test between Islam and atheism. Christianity is dying along with their perishes; and it was the Christians who gave birth to atheism (book burning, inquisitions, absurd premises about God).
Dajjalic atheism is what I like to call it because of the age we live in. May Allah protect the believers and give us a mercy especially from Him.
So true, Christianity created the monster that basically ate the Christian's whole.
Ameen!
John is condescending and unfortunately Philosophically weak. John needs to practice debating in order to stay on topic. If he studied the philosophy of science and understood it. He could only continue to hold his views in a state of denial. Old guys like him are set in their way. May Allah guide him.
Ameen!
The Muslim guy was bad at philosophy, painfully so.
This is how a debate should start and end .. and this is how things should be discussed, together we'll get to the truth in a much better way
At 1:15:00 imran confronted him about his inconsistencies with what he accepts to be true , so he started BS'ing to waste time , excuse me but it's true , you need to be honest and aware of wether you're deluding your self into believing something or not.
This was actually an entertaining debate from both sides
Masha Allah our brother Imran really constructed his points in the most logical, practical and theological way! Made it very easy to understand and was able to show us the contradictions that most atheists follow.
No he didn't, he went off from emotions and claims, no facts ro back them up, that's not logical it's delusional thinking
What a total waste man, emotional reasoning.........
why don't you watch the Quran and science debates? I can share them with you
Brother r u taunting Islam or Athiesm?
@@nadirahmed4224 pls put some links for us. Thank you.
@@Ameen_Khair the fact that you can't tell suggests there is problem with Islam
This isn't a competition so please no one comment like this a debate to win. This is a debate to give truth to all, win or lose is not the objective.
well said
Agree.
Religion shouldn’t be confused with reality!
May Allah reward you.
With 70 virgins?
@@robertmilosteanu ignorant
How can you reject faith in ALLAH? Seeing that you were without life, and He gave you life, Then will He cause to die, and will again bring you to life and again to Him will you return.
Qur'an Al-Baqaral 2/28
This is great question from our Creator ALLAH (God) for humanity
John Richards rebutle: "no, its not". Where's reasoning? when people start to use science as the only route to truth they become idealistic with it, that's called 'scientism', its not a different name for the scientific method.
Brother Imran carry on bravely,God may bless you.
*THE HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE*
Atheist, don't engage in debate if your not going to prepare for it! Being unprepared and bullshitting your way through a discussion is the height of arrogance.
Great debate. I really wish it was extended during the questioning when John Richards said he only believed in what could be tested or reproduced. Loved your India example but next time use Pakistan 😊. So he was willing to believe in things that he had not tested or reproduced but since they could be then he would accept them as true. I wanted him to be questioned more here and wondering how I could respond to him when he said that? One thing that comes to mind is I can ask him if he believes historical facts that he can not test nor reproduce. Please give me some other responses I can use against his argument.
I can't watch, it's massacre. Somebody needs to throw in the towel.
Masha’Allah, Imran is a great daa’e & serious intellectual. Love watching his content.
Brother Imran was good respectful and clear in talk. May Allah bless him.
Respectful? yes. But definitely not honest.
Give evidence about hid dishonesty. You can quote his sentences by declaring the minute and seconds mm:ss.
@@ridovercascade4551 Look for discussion part, where they talked about belief used in science, analogy was about india existence.
Imran vs Krauss also would be great..
Imran did amazing..
May Allah swt bless you all
45 minutes in (both sides have given their opening statements) and imran made a very eloquent and thought provoking discussion while John, who had the same amount of time, I felt covered hardly anything... I was very surprised when his time ran out.
Just like you cannot see gravity but know it's existence because of the effects you see around, in the same way the intelligence in everything within the universe that has form and function, one can derive the same understanding which we attribute to accepting Gravity, that a creator exist and entity has instilled form, intelligence and laws into creation
I was expecting this too, inference!
Gravity can be felt and measured. Attributing the universe to a creator is subjective.
Jonatan D gravity 'effect' can be felt and measured. The Properties of Gravity will remain unknown
@@AyubKhan-md4km
Whike there are still mysteries about gravity, its effects can be measured and predicted with high precision.
Jonatan D exactly my take too.. there is great mystery about the "Creator's" properties but one can measure the creation of the creator with great accuracy and predictions
Imran may Allah bless you and increase your patience. This man knew he was beat so he went on tangents to try and wind down the time (like the MRI, Patry Dish Experiment, etc.). It's a trick used by losers when they know they are beat and they want to sound smart and educated.
I feel like John just sat there making jokes bout all religions (Christian’s, muslims etc.) yes both are different but in all religions you at least have purpose to live and a way of living. Without religion one gets depressed and finds he or she has no meaning to live. I’ve experienced moments in my life I believed I had no purpose and even wanted to die. But when you realise you have a purpose it makes you happier.
But some atheists are very close minded and no matter what you can’t change their minds. I love all religions and don’t believe they got to follow mine. Atheists don’t have morals. They don’t believe you have no follow any rules etc. those who grow up with religion know that in religion killing someone is not allowed! if atheists don’t have these kind of rules they can kill anyone and so what they are their own boss. Find your purpose.
@@goaway5128 I agree. However atheist do have morals they just don't have a moral anchorage to objectively say what is good or bad.
@@omaribnalahmed5967 each to their own but I’m sure you can understand why that would be problematic
@@goaway5128 100% sister
True...at times they consider human being as just another species of animal kingdom and at other times they make it of a being with full freedom and will to exercise whatever they want. They forget the fact that humans are the only species who improved and progressed their life style by time. A buffalo some 10000 years ago lives almost same of today's buffalo. It drinks water by pressing it's mouth against water but a human even 200 years ago have very different life standards or patterns. This can't be accudental
John methodically made the argument that the Universe was not organized with us in mind, Well done,
There was a hug gap in the level of discussion that it was almost not entertaining , Richard thought he is coming to teach a science class .
Masha Allah, Imran.
Nice. You destroyed the atheist
disagree but d so respectfully and in a civilized way
Not only the atheist, but also the non-theist,
@A Everything Balanced like all Things should be
Atheism can't be destroyed. Show me proof for any god?
I'll wait.
@@alexnorth3393 I will use logic to proof to you that God exists. First of all something can't create itself and it can't come from nothing that is logicaly impossible so there must be a being which has caused all existence and I called the one God Allah . Now we all we know that this universe is fine- tuned and logicaly to create anything that is not random or fine-tuned or balanced from its core then you need some knowlge and wisdom the the creation is complicated the more knowlge and wisdom the creater has and also you need consciousness in order to save the knowlge and wisdom and to witness the creation process. So logicaly speaking there is God and logicaly no one created God and that we called it Allah.
Now to believe that someone is a prophet he needs a miracle to prove that he is from God( we Muslims believe Juses, Ibraheem etc. Are prohets of Allah and they have there miracles) and the miracle of Mohammed is the holy Qurun from the challenge of bringing something like the Qurun which the Arabs and the whole world failed in it (you need to understand Arabic in order to know it) and the scientific miracles and historical miracles and I encourage you to read the Qurun and watch a video called 27 undeniable scientific miracles of the Qurun and a video called top 10 facts mentioned in the Qurun and I ask Allah to guide us All Amen
I like nah love to listen to Imran Arguments and deep explanations
The quran says the earth was form before stars and the stars are just lamps to decorate the sky which is a solid thing. The debate is over
I don't know where people like you get their information from, what I do know is that you should investigate from Islamic sources and not from third parties. but I know you will not because the only thing you are looking for is something that tries to contradict Islam even if that same information is wrong
In this video, at certain moment (i forget), Richards expressed the reasoning behind how consciousness arose from mere material by giving example of Silicon's mechanism in computer. Computer itself is an example that to create something intelligent enough to compute from a material you need another intelligent mind behind it to create. Silicon has always been there in the earth but only it became meaningful in terms of computation is because computer has a creator who used silicon in specific way to do it.
In similar argument we can conclude that to get biological life from material it requires some intelligent mind to make it work...
one of the best point if he used it.
No, just no, it's not the same thing at all, stop acting like a scientist you believe in fairytales
I think without God the Almighty... Life will be meaningless... Emptiness.... its just matter and if it's just a matter so what is the matter.... Darkness beyond... Darkness..
@SNIPER SNIPER beautiful thoughts. May Allah guide us all to his path 👍🏻❤️
ALLAH SWT BLESS YOU Mr Imran - we need more youth of your CALIBER
Science is in infancy yet its already questions the existence of god.
Bruh Muhammad pbuh made an array of predictions that came true, one of the most famous is his prediction about barefoot dessert nomads (inhabitants of the Middle East at the time) would later on compete over building larger and larger building.
Am sure everyone reading this knows how accurate that is.
God bless you.
Imagine the shock on john’s face when he is asked the three questions in the grave
Really enjoyed this debate and learned a lot. Allah bless you all.
For this scientist I will question one thing since he kept going off about the probability being a false comparison. Entropy is a scientific and universal process that states that things will tend to become more disorderly as time goes on. This can be applied to the system of our universe. From this disorderly process then how is it possible that earth with perfect conditions for human life was formed and even further so humans(complex organism). This is like saying if given enough time an airplane would appear in your backyard when we know that airplane had a manufacturer as well as someone placed it there. Yet we can’t believe that the same for humans? May allah guide those who are misguided to the right path including myself.
He quoted Ricky Gervais 🙈😅 bless, he is so lost. May allah guide him.
Those who have a pure and open heart they must find God after watching this debate ❤
1:02:04 "give me evidence for a God" . How many nations in the past were given evidence and they were utterly destroyed? Time is my Master's witness and proof against this man and those like him and those who support him. May Allah give the muslims strength for the hard fitnah ahead.
Just like the Quran says to a disbeliever its the same whether u warn him, give him proof or not. Only Allah can guide them but many of the disbelievers dont even want to be guided.
"I dont want the truth" is what I was told and very similar things by multiple
Pray to Allah to keep us on the right path and guide many more seeking the truth
The science teacher really clever and making some brilliant points. Just hearing his first bit now.
MASHAALLAH, MAY ALLAH BLESS YOU AND REWARD YOU ABUNDANTLY IN THIS LIFE AND NEXT....AMEEN
@Moderator brother of this debate... the question that asked, "Everything within the universe is limited..." was written correctly where it says "is limited". It is not "are limited". It would be "are limited" if the question was written like, "All things within the universe are limited..."