This director is the queen of misandry. She hates one thing and it ain't Hollywood. It's MEN. All her male characters are disgusting, evil rapists or incel low lifes. You can pretend all you want that you don't see it. We wouldn't want you to get canceled.
I thought it was great up until the last 4 minutes when it turned into a Troma production with gallons of blood spraying out under high pressure. I had suspended disbelief and was totally on board when it worked within its own rules, and that was great. Then it turned into an idiotic mess at the very last minute.
Very fitting. See, YT recommended short of Margaret on SNL. I wonder did Demmy moore has got the same treatment? I know she is an established star and a big name back in her time. But still, I'm getting the same Elisabeth-Sue vibe here.
@@berlin990 I'm curious who you think is the one actually responsible but didn't get mentioned. I pretty much felt she pointed the finger at everyone. That was the whole point.
This movie is far from subtle in my opinion. I still fucking LIVE for everything this movie is and does and says. I adore every bit of this damn movie. It’s taken up residence in my brain!!!
i also think that studios believe audiences are dumb and can’t comprehend movies with depth, where the plot isn’t spelled out, or that are “artistic”. when in reality, after years of marvel movies and remakes, that’s what audiences are CRAVING
@@poindextertunes The only Marvel films I liked were Sam Raimi's Spiderman (character, but Sony rights) and the first Ant Man was alright. First Iron Man was okay. Everything else, no.
The fact that Universal Studios helped finance Coralie Fargeat's The Substance but deemed it unworthy after a screening highlights everything wrong with the movie industry today.
lol I think the movie hit too close to home for them. But no worries, the film ended up in the right hands. Allowing it to breathe on its own instead of interfering with the vision that was intended
@@Jprager Not that all, its the most basic talking point of their side since forever regardless of how they live in reality. No different from their eco private jets.
man, The Substance is one of the best movies I've ever seen. I felt it, right there in my seat, this is cinema. Hearing people's reactions, it was glorious.
I'm glad Coralie Fargeat is now getting attention. Her feature film debut Revenge was so moving in its means of confronting violence against women, and I knew it was only going to be a matter of time before she made a comeback. And boy did she make one. What a genius.
0:26 I can’t believe someone had the foresight to capture this moment in history. Jawbreaker and She’s All That playing at the same theater at the same time?! Man, what a time it was to be alive.
The fact that universal didn't take advantage of this film's success, only for Mubi to grow from it, only proves the stupidity of Hollywood, but also the film's victory over them!
This movie is the modern Portrait of Dorian Grey. The focus on imagery and photography, the ugliness being hidden away to only let the beauty see the light of day. Its a masterpiece and so, so deliberate with every shot of the film.
This is a film that I once criticized for its lack of subtlety, but is something I haven’t stopped thinking about for weeks. I love this movie the more and more I sit with it, and this video just solidified that with me. The concept of “being one” is so intriguing. We don’t know how Elizabeth was when she was Sue’s age and coming up. She could’ve been just as self absorbed, making sense that Sue is the way she is if they’re the same person. I also love how you mentioned the overt nudity becomes too lingering and leaves men wondering why do they have such a fascination with this. It’s a really brilliant film, one of my favorites this year.
I remember a little classic called "Sunset Boulevard" which, for the longest time, was my favorite horror film about Hollywood. This film is "SB" on acid and amazing. I literally had a nightmare about its final image. That's show business.
This take is a little disappointing. Moore's body was filmed through a feminine lens, but I have to disagree that altering Margaret Qualley's body on screen desexualizes the character of Sue. At the very least, she's blatantly objectified on screen every time a camera or a man are around to perceive her. The workout routine is a whole montage of her being sexualized. We're being shown the viewpoint of a society that sexualizes her. More importantly, in discussing Elizabeth's aged form so harshly, I feel you missed the nuance of the ugliness presented; it is not "unrecognizable" at all, because it serves as that hyperbolic, self-loathsome fear of aging. If the ugliness of age is the focus, that only pushes a hagsploitation narrative and implies that aging IS to be feared. I think Fargeat's choices show us that she rejects that narrative; the final fight between Elizabeth and Sue and the formation of Monstro Elisasue are much, much more gruesome, disgusting, and horrific. Rather than the aging, I think it's most important to highlight the horrors the movie thematically warns against: self-hatred and twisting oneself beyond recognition to meet beauty standards.
re: ''implies that aging IS to be feared'' - of course it is. the ''feminist'' element of it regarding a society that ''sexualizes'' her is merely a trivial consequence of the protagonist choosing a life of superficiality. fear of aging isn't gendered. it's a universal feature of the human experience because everyone who lives long enough will experience deterioration and loss - and absolutely everyone, with no exceptions, will only escape the experience of continued aging via death.
@@yamerojones This one movie in a couple months grossed 70 million vs lotr's 3 movies spanning 3 years based on the popular book which grossed 3 billion. Not to mention having a production only budget of 300 million whilst the substance was only 18 million. Therefore, yes, about the same regret.
Me too. Another example of a movie that makes a big old profit on what the studios/corporate owners consider a small budget. Wonder if the dumbos sit around and discuss their regret and how it happened or if they just put on their blinders, stick their fingers in their ears, and continue to pretend that they know what makes for a great movie.
The amount of joy I just had injected directly into my veins hearing that a large studio gave up a movie that ended up making the small studio who risked purchasing it soooo much money. Peacock and all large film studios deserve this lesson right now.
Just goes to show that horror movies are willing to take risks, have social commentary and not treat their audience like ignorant children. Something that BIG hollywood studios should actually learn. Another example is Terrifier 3. With a minuscule budget of 2 million dollars, it made 42.5 times its budget. Again, proving that you don't need 250 million dollars to make a good movie. Just passionate and dedicated filmmakers.
It's crazy to me that a film like this exists in 2024 considering all the social and political influences that seeped into Hollywood in the last decade or so. And I'm so glad it does exist. We've been in need of a breath of fresh air and original ideas for a long time.
@@ynraiderand then you get left wing people writing movies like the substance saying “we know how bad Hollywood is and only talk about it, here’s a movie involving that. Plz like us”
re: in need of a breath of fresh air and original ideas for a long time - is this original or just a spin on an old story? john Frankenheimer made a sci-fi horror film over 50 years ago about a man getting old and nearing retirement who turns to a group using experimental technology to become young and live life again as a new and better version of himself - but the process destroys everything in his life that he actually cared about. Essentially same film with a male lead and with emotional suspense but no disgusting visuals.
This movie left me incredibly inspired. It is such a unique and creative movie and it’s also really punk rock. It felt like the director of this movie understands what I want from all art and media. A unique and transformative film that’s creative, fun and self aware. This movie wastes no time at all and knows exactly what it’s doing. I am head over heels with this movie.
The beginning of your video reminded me how many times I used to go to the movies just to go to the movies. I saw several movies without knowing anything about it more than what I saw on the movie poster when I got to the movie theater. It was a fun game to play. I kinda miss that.
Depending on how long ago you're referring to, it wasn't convenient to look up more about a movie other than those 2 things. With smartphones, it's so easy to get caught up in researching every move option in theaters.
Or blockbuster, just grabbing a movie that looked or felt cool. Nowadays it’s so expensive to live, that you can’t afford to gamble on movie tickets/ rentals. It’s different for streaming but not all of us have that either, so we depend on reviews that demystify the experience but…it’s nice to just dive head first sometimes
This movie was incredible. I absolutely LOVED when it went completely camp at the end. It was insanity and it was brilliant. Not to mention the message that resonated with so many. Well, now I’m gonna go watch it again!
When I still think about a movie, days after viewing, I know I just watched something special. The only problem now is trying to get my friends to watch this film.
This movie is like Barbarian of 2024, it’s wild and insane. I freaking love it. This and Barbarian (the two most batsh@t movie of the decade) are easily my 2 favorite horror movie of the decade so far.
We need more movies like this. It made me feel things I’ve never experienced from film before. I’m totally gobsmacked and impressed, and it’s even better being an underdog story, like a middle finger to the establishment.
I’m glad Hollywood is getting weird again. Growing up on Hitchcock and Twilight Zone reruns, the 90s theater and cable fronts were FULL of such interesting movies. Like I can still vividly remember seeing In The Soup on Cinemax late during Vanguard(their little indie block). Sucks to think those experiences are disappearing for future generations as far as current films. Loved this film!
Thanks for reminding me Goku being cannotically scared of needles now I can't stop picturing chichi so desperately wanting to see what the hype is about this movie taking him to the movie theater and then him freaking out everyone in the building as they run for cover as he charges up a Kamehameha at the screen over every single needle scene
I say this movie is resonating with an audience that knows the average Hollywood clown is destroying their own bodies and selling their souls for a pathetic attempt of living forever when in fact they will quickly be replaced by tomorrow's new talent.
She really just needed to love herself and get to therapy. Also her keycard/locker number of 503 if you turn it upside down it could be read as EOS….Elisabeth or Sue
Agreed. People keep saying it's a feminist film about patriarchal beauty standards- as if fear of growing old and dying isn't a universal aspect of the human experience. ffs - Do these people think that patriarchy enables men to be immortal?
@@DS2CV It's a biological fact tho that women generally find older men more attractive than the other way around. Most women don't find peers in their own age attractive. Especially in younger years, which I have observed and experienced myself. I know hundreds of couples where the man is older but few where it's the other way around. Clearly we all age but women have a biological clock that makes them infertile and less attractive for the opposite sex long before they pass away. Men can literally have children until they die.
@@DS2CVSay you didnt get the movie without saying you didnt get the movie lol. Course we feel that too (one of the substance users is a man), but to women its one hundred times that.
I remember when the movie Sucker Punch was released, its director (Zack Synder, IIRC) said that he wanted to present the audience with so much male gaze imagery that they would be overloaded and grossed out by it. Well, Coralie Fargeat actually did that successfully.
I also think this movie is great evidence of why the theatrical experience is so important to protect and preserve. Being in a theater and hearing everyone’s reactions to the body horror (and the comedy!) was incredible and enhanced the experience immensely.
You're totally right. This movie is THE EXPERIENCE in a theater. I can't remember the last time I see so many people talking about the movie just after the end.
When you're talking about the history of film prior to the age of social media and streaming, it's also important to remember that we just used to go "to the movies." Sometimes we went because there was something in particular that we wanted to see; sometimes, we just wanted to go catch a film and would choose something based on almost no information (at least compared with what we have now): it was literally its own kind of leisure activity. And in the days of less surveillance/security/etc., it was also not uncommon to buy a ticket for one film, see it, and then maybe take advantage of underpaid slack employees' complete lack of interest in what we were doing and sneak into at least one other movie while we were there. There were also second- and third- run dollar theaters back in the day, and those were great places to discover random movies that you'd otherwise never see, especially in a theater.
yes. in college, i hung out with a group of about a dozen pals who would ''go to The Dollar'' Friday and Saturday after dinner at least 3 weeks each month. We saw some real stinkers, but that was okay because we only paid $2.50 - tickets were not actually one dollar despite the name of the theatre 🙂
Loved this movie so much! I saw it in the theaters, then showed my friends when it streamed on Mubi, and their first reaction to me when it was over was "What the fuck Diego" 🤣
Loved the video. The title caught me as I was somehow completely unaware of The Substance so thank you for putting me on to that. All I have is an annoying nitpick. Intravenous is pronounced like "intra-venus" and viscera is pronounced like "vih-sir-uh".
I have really come to appreciate Margaret Qually´s choices in roles, becoming a big fan of her´s. Have not seen her in any major roles yet, but expecting a lot from her in the future.
I only saw this because I love Demi more. Had no idea what to expect. Thought I was seeing a highly stylized noir movie. I was shocked and surprised. And I thank this movie for that. It was something so new and cleansed my pallet
The last thing we need is certain parasites to pounce on the chance of making sequels watching the success of this masterpiece.😢 Please leave this movie alone. 🙏
I feel like the more technological advances happen in cinema the more people strive for realism and I’ve seen people say this movie lacks realism and therefore it’s bad and it’s extremely questionable judgement when cinema is just stylized visual stories.
this film was stunning. i never had an experience like it ever before. both lead roles were played to perfection and the script & message were on point
Women face pressures regardless of whatever society they are in. Whether it's the East or West. You think only tinsel town is notorious for botching up people? 🌍🌏🌎🗺️ It's the same story everywhere! Beauty standards and the practices done to retain "that beauty (and youth)" are common in every part of the world. And the consequences are dire, at times.
It really took a French director to make this movie. Hollywood are you ever gonna learn or keep doing boring Disney live action slop and superheroes comic.
the second I heard you start talking my honest thought was "oh great a man's gonna talk on the subject of female beauty standards and blame sue/Elisabeth for everything she did" but honestly the way you describe this movie makes it sound more beautiful than gruesome and when you said the best we could do is 'age beautifully' quite literally made me look down at myself and smile in the body I'm in. call me cringe but this is one of the best videos I've ever seen on the substance ever.
I came away shell-shocked, which few horror movies achieve. And, once my nerves calmed down, I thought of actresses like Helen Mirren and Judi Dench, who don't appear to have submitted to plastic surgery or botox, accepting that they are aging, and are still getting great roles for mature women. And I thought of certain other actresses and singers, who have bought into the stay-young-at-any-cost culture, and are fooling no one but themselves with the grotesque procedures they've accepted. Elizabeth is one of those, just turned up to eleven. And it's not just what that leads to, but what she does thereafter, that makes THE SUBSTANCE truly nightmarish and savagely satirical.
Something about this stance reminds me of a Scorsese quote which i'm gonna paraphrase. Something about the audiences fed the same meal over and over and don't know any better. They think we are dumb yet they have little incentive to change so they force a She Hulk when other's crave The Substance
I thought it was brilliant. Just held up a giant mirror at the way we treat ourselves, beat ourselves up over not being ‘perfect’ and lose all sense of perspective. Such a fantastic film.
I would love to see a sequel that shows the origin of how the substance was created, who made it, what was the purpose of it existing? How come the substance is given to people for free (at least it looked like the substance was free for Elizabeth without any charge). Or at least a sequel that shows the other people who use it.
It's a bizarre mix of Verhoeven's critique of Hollywood and his hyper realistic hyper sexual style with Cronenbergian body-horror + "artsy Neon Demon European director in hollywood". TBH I am a bit disappointed by the lack of versayce citation
I have a different take on the film, that I haven't seen anyone else bring up. It's that at the start of the film when Elisabeth Sparkle is hit by a car and survives unscathed- is this perhaps illuding to the fact that the whole discourse that follows could be a metaphor for someone being in limbo/ purgatory?
While I kinda like the movie, the diatribe at the start of the video is kinda ridiculous... 1. No one gave a shit about not seeing the Sixth Sense. No one in general gave a shit about FOMO or spoilers. 2. There is a ton of apetite for smaller and weird movies, The Substance and it's performance at the box office are not outliers here. A24 was basically built on this and there are tons more independent or small budget movies that did even better than The Substance did. 3. The fact that movies are streaming in a couple of months is not the main factor here. Movie tickets are FUCKING EXPENSIVE these days. To the point you can't just go out and see something random on a whim. That's not on the audience or even the convenience of the platform, it's solely on cinamas being too expensive.
expanding on ur 3rd point, that’s not even the biggest factor. shareholders want more money, more money = more butts in seats, so they just rely on our nostalgia and remake classics we didn’t ask for or bring a popular book aimed for a female audience bc they know both get hella butts in seats. at the end of the day the shareholders/greed/capitalism is ultimately to blame with the deterioration of like… every industry rn especially creative industries
My thought is that Dennis Quaid's character is also that of the devil...who gives those who desire fame, fortune, and youthful beauty, exactly that....but then also exacts horrific consequences in return. That being said, the fact that the great Demi Moore, who has spent her entire adult life in a Hollywood bubble, deigned to take on this role, looking at herself as an aging actress (over 50), says much about her own mind, and acting ability. And I knew Margaret would become a big star after seeing her on the series "The Leftovers."
You know what blew my mind about this film? I remember seeing people saying that they felt like the movie was so mean to demi Moore and that the camera held so long on her flaws. The thing I kept thinking during the movie was how stunning demi Moore looks in this movie, she is absolutely gorgeous, but all she can she is her flaws in the movie, we see it through her pov, which is essentially the same pov as the men in Hollywood, while if you have also allowed yourself to feel like a women loses worth when she gets older, then you too will be challenged by seeing her so called flaws. The way you feel personally about aging, will dramatically effect the way this movie feels, if you think aging is normal and beautiful, you'll just be stunned she can't see her own beauty, but if you're the person who feels women lose inherit value as they age, then it will be uncomfortable. This movie, while harsh on men in hollywood, also pulls no punches on anyone else. Demi Moores character is a victim, as well as a perpetrator, she benefitted and profited from the same standards that the men are profiting from, she's just mad she can't milk it anymore, ALL OF THE CHARACTERS in this movie perpetuate this negative look at aging and beauty we see present in Hollywood, it is not just a male issue, these standards are enforced by women just as much as men.
Ngl fave movie of this year, I feel like it conveyed its themes in the exact way current audiences need to see, given the negative reviews I’ve been seeing have been from the exact people that the film is critiquing. So I feel like the gore and over the top way to convey the themes just sorta needed to happen for it to be actually heard. Genuinely love every part of the movie, especially the body horror but I also love body horror stuff in general. Aswell as the iconography is so brilliant Sorry for rambling hehe ^^
In my opinion The Substance is a perfect example that a little bit of studio meddling is generally a good thing. The latter half of the third act did not need to go on the way it did. It was so close to being a masterpiece but either way I still enjoyed the hell out of it.
I miss what we had in the 90s and 00s. Today everything feels like the end. All of these films analyse parts of our lives as if it’s closing a book on this society. It’s kinda scary to look at the start of film and realise that this civilisation is nearing its end
This ones gotta be movie of the year for me, it’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen before, and seeing it in the theater I was sucked into that world for every single second
I love The Substance mostly because it feels like, while still science fiction, an immediate and accurate snapshot of the time we live in, now. The world will change, as it always does, but it's nice to know there are movies that document this particular, widespread, and continually festering standard that women have to face. It's a phenomenon of the internet age as well as the enduring and ever-present, horrific legacy of how America treats its women: as customers, as objects, as entertainers and trophies, as human-being producers, but /rarely/ as human beings, in our entirety. Even when they say they do, it's subverted by a scheme to profit off us, to laugh at us, to use us (i.e., when the younger guys of my time like to talk on dates about how they support women and their rights, but aren't even registered to vote). I hope when future generations watch this, the world is different and better, and this unrelenting and violent pressure that women are subjected to has stopped evolving, has gone extinct, has been decimated. I can only hope sometimes
this film is from a female perspective, but the people who all keep harping on the idea that the protagonist's experience is uniquely female are just showing their cluelessness. both men and women fear and struggle with aging, and the inevitability of death. the premise of this film isn't new. it was made from a male perspective 50 years ago: _science fiction psychological horror film; aging man becomes disillusioned - feels he's becoming disposable/irrelevant; contacted by a representative of a mysterious company; is promised "rebirth" as a better more vital younger version of himself if he submits to experimental medical procedure; he gets what was promised but in a ''monkey's paw'' form that makes him regret his wish was fulfilled._
@ this is a good point. I'm choosing to look at it through a feminist lens in my comment, as men's aging in Hollywood, ads, business, and other industries is not treated as as much of an issue as it is for women-just look at the age gaps in people playing moms and dads in movies from the 2000s. Often, the actress playing a "mom" is barely older than the actor/actress playing the children, while the father is actually of age. This film in particular plays to the unique cruelty that women face as we age-men hold positions of power when they age, are seen as wise and toughened, whereas women are deemed not-so-useful when they've reached a certain age by MANY big industries. It's a unique discrimination that I don't think compares across the board to men's experience-apples to oranges in a sense. Although I think you're right that it's not a uniquely female perspective, it is an /overwhelmingly/ female experience. Old men have been calling the shots in Hollywood and other big industries since the beginning-that is why this film highlights that unequal power dynamic so fiercely.
@ I would also say that I agree with you bc if that film you mentioned from earlier times. It's a valid and important perspective to be shared, though I've never seen a movie that chronicles the female perspective so well, hence my comment. I also think the root of both men and women feeling useless in those industries is ultimately still the pressure put on them by old men in power. It's a common enemy sort of deal ya know?
THE SUBSTANCE is a movie that delivers on EVERY front: story, message, acting, aesthetics, effects, pacing, erotica, horror, cinematic homages, every aspect is NAILED perfectly
My gf actually does hate needles. For her it's the idea that the needle cuts a small hole into your skin only for that skin to be sprayed into your body. But for some reason she didn't have an issue with the scenes in this movie. But when she saw that one scene in the evil dead remake where someone face gets stabbed with a needle, she stood up and went to vomit.
The substance feels like MGSV Phantom Pain. When it comes to body double. But unlike MGSV, where Naked Snake literally using Venom Snake(The doppelganger), and Venom just easily take the role of Boss. Sue was eager to take over the role of Elizabeth, and Elizabeth doesn't wanna lose her role. She didn't want to be used by Sue.
In media the role of a mother has been demeaned for decades thus creating a society that values only younger women, when older women are just as beautiful, even if physically less so (although most of the time that’s barely arguable).
I have not seen a major Hollyweird movie at any monetary cost to myself since 2018. Our physical bodies are really nothing more than the corporeal vessel for our soul. Our soul will continue on.
The Substance is the best movie of the year and best horror movie of the year- it's not only so meaningful, but fun, unique, and creative. Moore deserves an Oscar for her performance. Wish I watched this in theaters. TT
@@poindextertunes I loooove Dune, but Dune 2 was a complete and total failure after the first movie. It completely botched the book story, it was so bad at dialogue and I never really felt Paul growing such as he does in Dune 1 or in the book. That was one movie that should have been 2. It won't get nearly as much recognition as Dune 1 got.
What did YOU think of The Substance?🧪💉 One of the craziest watches of the year?? Comment below!💥
This director is the queen of misandry. She hates one thing and it ain't Hollywood. It's MEN. All her male characters are disgusting, evil rapists or incel low lifes. You can pretend all you want that you don't see it. We wouldn't want you to get canceled.
Very graphic
@@svizac69u need to think more, if that’s possible
I thought it was great up until the last 4 minutes when it turned into a Troma production with gallons of blood spraying out under high pressure. I had suspended disbelief and was totally on board when it worked within its own rules, and that was great. Then it turned into an idiotic mess at the very last minute.
Very fitting. See, YT recommended short of Margaret on SNL. I wonder did Demmy moore has got the same treatment? I know she is an established star and a big name back in her time. But still, I'm getting the same Elisabeth-Sue vibe here.
She is BOLD for making this movie.. like everything is unrealistic but relatable at the same time
Heightened? Hyperreal? Satirised?
@@berlin990okay enlightened one, do bless us with your knowledge
@@berlin990 I'm curious who you think is the one actually responsible but didn't get mentioned. I pretty much felt she pointed the finger at everyone. That was the whole point.
@@berlin990 just say it dude, we’re waiting
depends on which aspect you deemed as unrealistic
I love this film so much. I want to see more unsubtle yet nuanced messages sometimes. Every beat just felt so stylised and bold
100% I love the bluntness of how the message is delivered.
french movies
This movie is far from subtle in my opinion. I still fucking LIVE for everything this movie is and does and says. I adore every bit of this damn movie. It’s taken up residence in my brain!!!
@@idgelee They said "unsubtle"
I remember when this film was called "Death Becomes Her"
i also think that studios believe audiences are dumb and can’t comprehend movies with depth, where the plot isn’t spelled out, or that are “artistic”. when in reality, after years of marvel movies and remakes, that’s what audiences are CRAVING
I find European cinema more introspective and deep. It took a French lady to make the Substance and take it to the USA to raise awareness
It’s just consumerism like the clothes bought KNOWING how sh***y they are for the earth and all people
So sick of Marvel slop.
@@samjiman Heard. I was never a fan so I’m more than over it. How ppl can like a franchise that literally makes the same movie 20 times is beyond me
@@poindextertunes The only Marvel films I liked were Sam Raimi's Spiderman (character, but Sony rights) and the first Ant Man was alright. First Iron Man was okay. Everything else, no.
The fact that Universal Studios helped finance Coralie Fargeat's The Substance but deemed it unworthy after a screening highlights everything wrong with the movie industry today.
lol I think the movie hit too close to home for them. But no worries, the film ended up in the right hands. Allowing it to breathe on its own instead of interfering with the vision that was intended
@@Jprager Thank you, MUBI!
@@Jprager Not that all, its the most basic talking point of their side since forever regardless of how they live in reality. No different from their eco private jets.
Reality following the movie itself.
@@IVNHYPRFNKwow I didn't know the part they played in releasing it! That combined with Mubi saving the Fall! I'm really impressed
man, The Substance is one of the best movies I've ever seen. I felt it, right there in my seat, this is cinema. Hearing people's reactions, it was glorious.
I hope this film gets awarded appropriately.
I'm glad Coralie Fargeat is now getting attention. Her feature film debut Revenge was so moving in its means of confronting violence against women, and I knew it was only going to be a matter of time before she made a comeback. And boy did she make one. What a genius.
0:26 I can’t believe someone had the foresight to capture this moment in history. Jawbreaker and She’s All That playing at the same theater at the same time?! Man, what a time it was to be alive.
I still have my Jawbreaker poster and keep it up everywhere I live. iconic
This is why I love movies and the Substance is an example of great storytelling.
Exactly. This new era of movies are loosing the touch
this movie is my comfort movie , as screwed up as it sounds it feels relatable and that i'm not alone in my own struggles regarding my appearance
you ought not to feel alone; struggling with accepting the aging process is a universal
Same. I cant stop watching it. Its like a warm hug on a cold day.
The fact that universal didn't take advantage of this film's success, only for Mubi to grow from it, only proves the stupidity of Hollywood, but also the film's victory over them!
This movie is the modern Portrait of Dorian Grey. The focus on imagery and photography, the ugliness being hidden away to only let the beauty see the light of day. Its a masterpiece and so, so deliberate with every shot of the film.
I caught that as well. Another Excellent film/story! Good Catch!
This is a film that I once criticized for its lack of subtlety, but is something I haven’t stopped thinking about for weeks. I love this movie the more and more I sit with it, and this video just solidified that with me. The concept of “being one” is so intriguing. We don’t know how Elizabeth was when she was Sue’s age and coming up. She could’ve been just as self absorbed, making sense that Sue is the way she is if they’re the same person. I also love how you mentioned the overt nudity becomes too lingering and leaves men wondering why do they have such a fascination with this. It’s a really brilliant film, one of my favorites this year.
I remember a little classic called "Sunset Boulevard" which, for the longest time, was my favorite horror film about Hollywood. This film is "SB" on acid and amazing. I literally had a nightmare about its final image. That's show business.
Yes, it's so good.
This take is a little disappointing. Moore's body was filmed through a feminine lens, but I have to disagree that altering Margaret Qualley's body on screen desexualizes the character of Sue. At the very least, she's blatantly objectified on screen every time a camera or a man are around to perceive her. The workout routine is a whole montage of her being sexualized. We're being shown the viewpoint of a society that sexualizes her. More importantly, in discussing Elizabeth's aged form so harshly, I feel you missed the nuance of the ugliness presented; it is not "unrecognizable" at all, because it serves as that hyperbolic, self-loathsome fear of aging. If the ugliness of age is the focus, that only pushes a hagsploitation narrative and implies that aging IS to be feared. I think Fargeat's choices show us that she rejects that narrative; the final fight between Elizabeth and Sue and the formation of Monstro Elisasue are much, much more gruesome, disgusting, and horrific. Rather than the aging, I think it's most important to highlight the horrors the movie thematically warns against: self-hatred and twisting oneself beyond recognition to meet beauty standards.
re: ''implies that aging IS to be feared'' - of course it is. the ''feminist'' element of it regarding a society that ''sexualizes'' her is merely a trivial consequence of the protagonist choosing a life of superficiality. fear of aging isn't gendered. it's a universal feature of the human experience because everyone who lives long enough will experience deterioration and loss - and absolutely everyone, with no exceptions, will only escape the experience of continued aging via death.
I already know universal is turning red in there seats after the success this movie got. The money I’d pay to see there regret 😂😂
The same regret studios felt when they turned down Peter Jackson's lord of the rings.
@@zzygyy This movie brought in 16 million dollars, the Lotr brought in a billion dollars.
@@yamerojones This one movie in a couple months grossed 70 million vs lotr's 3 movies spanning 3 years based on the popular book which grossed 3 billion. Not to mention having a production only budget of 300 million whilst the substance was only 18 million.
Therefore, yes, about the same regret.
Me too. Another example of a movie that makes a big old profit on what the studios/corporate owners consider a small budget. Wonder if the dumbos sit around and discuss their regret and how it happened or if they just put on their blinders, stick their fingers in their ears, and continue to pretend that they know what makes for a great movie.
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The amount of joy I just had injected directly into my veins hearing that a large studio gave up a movie that ended up making the small studio who risked purchasing it soooo much money. Peacock and all large film studios deserve this lesson right now.
Just goes to show that horror movies are willing to take risks, have social commentary and not treat their audience like ignorant children. Something that BIG hollywood studios should actually learn. Another example is Terrifier 3. With a minuscule budget of 2 million dollars, it made 42.5 times its budget. Again, proving that you don't need 250 million dollars to make a good movie. Just passionate and dedicated filmmakers.
It's crazy to me that a film like this exists in 2024 considering all the social and political influences that seeped into Hollywood in the last decade or so. And I'm so glad it does exist. We've been in need of a breath of fresh air and original ideas for a long time.
Rightwing hollywood faking leftwing films...
Aliens, Robocop, Star Wars, and Terminator 2, all are classic LEFTWING POLITICS!
@@ynraiderand then you get left wing people writing movies like the substance saying “we know how bad Hollywood is and only talk about it, here’s a movie involving that. Plz like us”
re: in need of a breath of fresh air and original ideas for a long time - is this original or just a spin on an old story? john Frankenheimer made a sci-fi horror film over 50 years ago about a man getting old and nearing retirement who turns to a group using experimental technology to become young and live life again as a new and better version of himself - but the process destroys everything in his life that he actually cared about. Essentially same film with a male lead and with emotional suspense but no disgusting visuals.
Fresh air or French air?😉
IMO Coralie Fargeat can direct Uzumaki or Spiral manga due how unhinged tone and unsettling body horror prosthetics in The Substance
This movie left me incredibly inspired. It is such a unique and creative movie and it’s also really punk rock. It felt like the director of this movie understands what I want from all art and media. A unique and transformative film that’s creative, fun and self aware. This movie wastes no time at all and knows exactly what it’s doing. I am head over heels with this movie.
Can't wait to see what she does next. I absolutely loved the naked brutality of Revenge. Underrated. The Substance is best horror movie of this year.
The beginning of your video reminded me how many times I used to go to the movies just to go to the movies. I saw several movies without knowing anything about it more than what I saw on the movie poster when I got to the movie theater. It was a fun game to play. I kinda miss that.
Depending on how long ago you're referring to, it wasn't convenient to look up more about a movie other than those 2 things. With smartphones, it's so easy to get caught up in researching every move option in theaters.
You can still do that 🤍
@ You’re right. I should!
Or blockbuster, just grabbing a movie that looked or felt cool.
Nowadays it’s so expensive to live, that you can’t afford to gamble on movie tickets/ rentals. It’s different for streaming but not all of us have that either, so we depend on reviews that demystify the experience but…it’s nice to just dive head first sometimes
We were surprised at the cinema. Nowdays you even know the scripts a year before release😅
great video. as a 48 year old woman it resonated like a looney tunes acme anvil!! 🤯☠😅
This movie was incredible. I absolutely LOVED when it went completely camp at the end. It was insanity and it was brilliant. Not to mention the message that resonated with so many. Well, now I’m gonna go watch it again!
When I still think about a movie, days after viewing, I know I just watched something special. The only problem now is trying to get my friends to watch this film.
After watching the movie. My toilet felt weird and all my tiles felt creepy just like Elizabeth toilet..I love the movie
I like how everyone in the beginning speaks about Elisabeth and Sue as one person. Later on speak like they are two different people.
This movie is like Barbarian of 2024, it’s wild and insane. I freaking love it. This and Barbarian (the two most batsh@t movie of the decade) are easily my 2 favorite horror movie of the decade so far.
100% haha that's actually why I linked the Barbarian video we did in the top line of the description.
Don't forget Malignant
@@michealvega1373 Hell yeah, I love that movie! Absolutely BONKER
@ absolutely!
@@michealvega1373 awesome movie 😄
The timing is insane, I just watched it earlier today
HELL yeah haha you love to see it.
We need more movies like this. It made me feel things I’ve never experienced from film before. I’m totally gobsmacked and impressed, and it’s even better being an underdog story, like a middle finger to the establishment.
I’m glad Hollywood is getting weird again. Growing up on Hitchcock and Twilight Zone reruns, the 90s theater and cable fronts were FULL of such interesting movies. Like I can still vividly remember seeing In The Soup on Cinemax late during Vanguard(their little indie block). Sucks to think those experiences are disappearing for future generations as far as current films. Loved this film!
The pump it up dancing looked so painful and uncomfortable it was so stressful to watch
Thanks for reminding me Goku being cannotically scared of needles now I can't stop picturing chichi so desperately wanting to see what the hype is about this movie taking him to the movie theater and then him freaking out everyone in the building as they run for cover as he charges up a Kamehameha at the screen over every single needle scene
I say this movie is resonating with an audience that knows the average Hollywood clown is destroying their own bodies and selling their souls for a pathetic attempt of living forever when in fact they will quickly be replaced by tomorrow's new talent.
dr rajani is on here and talks about their procedures, it's basically another full time job
While continuing on to look like freaks for the rest of their lives.
She really just needed to love herself and get to therapy. Also her keycard/locker number of 503 if you turn it upside down it could be read as EOS….Elisabeth or Sue
Agreed. People keep saying it's a feminist film about patriarchal beauty standards- as if fear of growing old and dying isn't a universal aspect of the human experience. ffs - Do these people think that patriarchy enables men to be immortal?
@@DS2CV It's a biological fact tho that women generally find older men more attractive than the other way around. Most women don't find peers in their own age attractive.
Especially in younger years, which I have observed and experienced myself.
I know hundreds of couples where the man is older but few where it's the other way around.
Clearly we all age but women have a biological clock that makes them infertile and less attractive for the opposite sex long before they pass away. Men can literally have children until they die.
@@DS2CVSay you didnt get the movie without saying you didnt get the movie lol. Course we feel that too (one of the substance users is a man), but to women its one hundred times that.
I went into this movie totally blind and not knowing anything. What a trip.
I remember when the movie Sucker Punch was released, its director (Zack Synder, IIRC) said that he wanted to present the audience with so much male gaze imagery that they would be overloaded and grossed out by it. Well, Coralie Fargeat actually did that successfully.
I also think this movie is great evidence of why the theatrical experience is so important to protect and preserve. Being in a theater and hearing everyone’s reactions to the body horror (and the comedy!) was incredible and enhanced the experience immensely.
You're totally right. This movie is THE EXPERIENCE in a theater. I can't remember the last time I see so many people talking about the movie just after the end.
I could see passing on the script (in theory), but absolutely crazy that a studio saw the FINAL product and said no thanks. So obviously a hit!
The best of the year imo its so good
Bruh
When you're talking about the history of film prior to the age of social media and streaming, it's also important to remember that we just used to go "to the movies." Sometimes we went because there was something in particular that we wanted to see; sometimes, we just wanted to go catch a film and would choose something based on almost no information (at least compared with what we have now): it was literally its own kind of leisure activity. And in the days of less surveillance/security/etc., it was also not uncommon to buy a ticket for one film, see it, and then maybe take advantage of underpaid slack employees' complete lack of interest in what we were doing and sneak into at least one other movie while we were there. There were also second- and third- run dollar theaters back in the day, and those were great places to discover random movies that you'd otherwise never see, especially in a theater.
Agreed. Before streaming. Before youtube. Cultural social norms. Friday and Saturday night at the movies.
Man I miss dollar theaters
yes. in college, i hung out with a group of about a dozen pals who would ''go to The Dollar'' Friday and Saturday after dinner at least 3 weeks each month. We saw some real stinkers, but that was okay because we only paid $2.50 - tickets were not actually one dollar despite the name of the theatre 🙂
Loved this movie so much! I saw it in the theaters, then showed my friends when it streamed on Mubi, and their first reaction to me when it was over was "What the fuck Diego" 🤣
Loved the video. The title caught me as I was somehow completely unaware of The Substance so thank you for putting me on to that. All I have is an annoying nitpick. Intravenous is pronounced like "intra-venus" and viscera is pronounced like "vih-sir-uh".
I have really come to appreciate Margaret Qually´s choices in roles, becoming a big fan of her´s. Have not seen her in any major roles yet, but expecting a lot from her in the future.
I only saw this because I love Demi more. Had no idea what to expect. Thought I was seeing a highly stylized noir movie. I was shocked and surprised. And I thank this movie for that. It was something so new and cleansed my pallet
The last thing we need is certain parasites to pounce on the chance of making sequels watching the success of this masterpiece.😢 Please leave this movie alone. 🙏
I feel like the more technological advances happen in cinema the more people strive for realism and I’ve seen people say this movie lacks realism and therefore it’s bad and it’s extremely questionable judgement when cinema is just stylized visual stories.
this film was stunning. i never had an experience like it ever before. both lead roles were played to perfection and the script & message were on point
I cried through the entire end. I miss my mom she was beautiful.
I didn't know revenge was her movie. That movie could hold an audience for sure, just not your regular movie.
Women face pressures regardless of whatever society they are in. Whether it's the East or West. You think only tinsel town is notorious for botching up people?
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It's the same story everywhere!
Beauty standards and the practices done to retain "that beauty (and youth)" are common in every part of the world.
And the consequences are dire, at times.
everyone faces pressures regarding aging. they're just more superficial for women so they translate better to a visual medium than men's struggles
It really took a French director to make this movie. Hollywood are you ever gonna learn or keep doing boring Disney live action slop and superheroes comic.
the second I heard you start talking my honest thought was "oh great a man's gonna talk on the subject of female beauty standards and blame sue/Elisabeth for everything she did" but honestly the way you describe this movie makes it sound more beautiful than gruesome and when you said the best we could do is 'age beautifully' quite literally made me look down at myself and smile in the body I'm in. call me cringe but this is one of the best videos I've ever seen on the substance ever.
I came away shell-shocked, which few horror movies achieve. And, once my nerves calmed down, I thought of actresses like Helen Mirren and Judi Dench, who don't appear to have submitted to plastic surgery or botox, accepting that they are aging, and are still getting great roles for mature women. And I thought of certain other actresses and singers, who have bought into the stay-young-at-any-cost culture, and are fooling no one but themselves with the grotesque procedures they've accepted. Elizabeth is one of those, just turned up to eleven. And it's not just what that leads to, but what she does thereafter, that makes THE SUBSTANCE truly nightmarish and savagely satirical.
This movie makes me think about all of the things that I did when I was younger that affect me now that I’m older . This movie is a masterpiece.
FINALLY A full breakdown of this movie
This movie is like a comedy told like the original tragedy... then they continue the joke too far until you want to stop it... i love it n.n
I just hink Hollywood is savvy enough to understand that it can make money even off the hatred for Hollywood
I don’t think that I could watch this film - too nauseating - however it seems incredible.
A great review.
Something about this stance reminds me of a Scorsese quote which i'm gonna paraphrase. Something about the audiences fed the same meal over and over and don't know any better.
They think we are dumb yet they have little incentive to change so they force a She Hulk when other's crave The Substance
I thought it was brilliant. Just held up a giant mirror at the way we treat ourselves, beat ourselves up over not being ‘perfect’ and lose all sense of perspective. Such a fantastic film.
This movie was SO good! Demi and Margot are SO talented 👏
The Substance is a movie I will never watch, but I am delighted to hear that it was made. Viva la Creativity!
"Intravernouse?"
in·tra·ve·nous
adjective
existing or taking place within, or administered into, a vein or veins.
18:39 lol
I would love to see a sequel that shows the origin of how the substance was created, who made it, what was the purpose of it existing? How come the substance is given to people for free (at least it looked like the substance was free for Elizabeth without any charge). Or at least a sequel that shows the other people who use it.
Perhaps a prequel of how the old man / young nurse got the substance
Or a sequel where someone manages to keep the balance for longer
It's a bizarre mix of Verhoeven's critique of Hollywood and his hyper realistic hyper sexual style with Cronenbergian body-horror + "artsy Neon Demon European director in hollywood". TBH I am a bit disappointed by the lack of versayce citation
The release and success of this movie has me genuinely excited for the future movies
It was made for grownups, a niche audience for American entertainment.
Indeed.
grownups or a niche audience of feminists?
I have a different take on the film, that I haven't seen anyone else bring up. It's that at the start of the film when Elisabeth Sparkle is hit by a car and survives unscathed- is this perhaps illuding to the fact that the whole discourse that follows could be a metaphor for someone being in limbo/ purgatory?
The substance had me sobbing during the entire last 30 minutes, I was inconsolable.
While I kinda like the movie, the diatribe at the start of the video is kinda ridiculous...
1. No one gave a shit about not seeing the Sixth Sense. No one in general gave a shit about FOMO or spoilers.
2. There is a ton of apetite for smaller and weird movies, The Substance and it's performance at the box office are not outliers here. A24 was basically built on this and there are tons more independent or small budget movies that did even better than The Substance did.
3. The fact that movies are streaming in a couple of months is not the main factor here. Movie tickets are FUCKING EXPENSIVE these days. To the point you can't just go out and see something random on a whim. That's not on the audience or even the convenience of the platform, it's solely on cinamas being too expensive.
expanding on ur 3rd point, that’s not even the biggest factor. shareholders want more money, more money = more butts in seats, so they just rely on our nostalgia and remake classics we didn’t ask for or bring a popular book aimed for a female audience bc they know both get hella butts in seats. at the end of the day the shareholders/greed/capitalism is ultimately to blame with the deterioration of like… every industry rn especially creative industries
What was the film at 2:20?
Titane
Watched this in theater with a friend, we were the only 2 people and I absolutely loved it!
My thought is that Dennis Quaid's character is also that of the devil...who gives those who desire fame, fortune, and youthful beauty, exactly that....but then also exacts horrific consequences in return. That being said, the fact that the great Demi Moore, who has spent her entire adult life in a Hollywood bubble, deigned to take on this role, looking at herself as an aging actress (over 50), says much about her own mind, and acting ability. And I knew Margaret would become a big star after seeing her on the series "The Leftovers."
You know what blew my mind about this film? I remember seeing people saying that they felt like the movie was so mean to demi Moore and that the camera held so long on her flaws. The thing I kept thinking during the movie was how stunning demi Moore looks in this movie, she is absolutely gorgeous, but all she can she is her flaws in the movie, we see it through her pov, which is essentially the same pov as the men in Hollywood, while if you have also allowed yourself to feel like a women loses worth when she gets older, then you too will be challenged by seeing her so called flaws. The way you feel personally about aging, will dramatically effect the way this movie feels, if you think aging is normal and beautiful, you'll just be stunned she can't see her own beauty, but if you're the person who feels women lose inherit value as they age, then it will be uncomfortable.
This movie, while harsh on men in hollywood, also pulls no punches on anyone else. Demi Moores character is a victim, as well as a perpetrator, she benefitted and profited from the same standards that the men are profiting from, she's just mad she can't milk it anymore, ALL OF THE CHARACTERS in this movie perpetuate this negative look at aging and beauty we see present in Hollywood, it is not just a male issue, these standards are enforced by women just as much as men.
Ngl fave movie of this year, I feel like it conveyed its themes in the exact way current audiences need to see, given the negative reviews I’ve been seeing have been from the exact people that the film is critiquing. So I feel like the gore and over the top way to convey the themes just sorta needed to happen for it to be actually heard.
Genuinely love every part of the movie, especially the body horror but I also love body horror stuff in general. Aswell as the iconography is so brilliant
Sorry for rambling hehe ^^
I'm so glad I watched The Substance in the theater.
In my opinion The Substance is a perfect example that a little bit of studio meddling is generally a good thing. The latter half of the third act did not need to go on the way it did. It was so close to being a masterpiece but either way I still enjoyed the hell out of it.
It took the premise as far as it could take it, a lesser film wouldn't have had the later half of the third act.
I miss what we had in the 90s and 00s. Today everything feels like the end. All of these films analyse parts of our lives as if it’s closing a book on this society. It’s kinda scary to look at the start of film and realise that this civilisation is nearing its end
I disagree. It’s just a progression of societal exploration of themes.
I do think you're right. That's insightful
This ones gotta be movie of the year for me, it’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen before, and seeing it in the theater I was sucked into that world for every single second
This movie is whole roller-coaster of emotions!
I understand the necessary plight of midroll ads, but I got 2 unskippable ones just after 60 seconds.
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I love The Substance mostly because it feels like, while still science fiction, an immediate and accurate snapshot of the time we live in, now. The world will change, as it always does, but it's nice to know there are movies that document this particular, widespread, and continually festering standard that women have to face. It's a phenomenon of the internet age as well as the enduring and ever-present, horrific legacy of how America treats its women: as customers, as objects, as entertainers and trophies, as human-being producers, but /rarely/ as human beings, in our entirety. Even when they say they do, it's subverted by a scheme to profit off us, to laugh at us, to use us (i.e., when the younger guys of my time like to talk on dates about how they support women and their rights, but aren't even registered to vote). I hope when future generations watch this, the world is different and better, and this unrelenting and violent pressure that women are subjected to has stopped evolving, has gone extinct, has been decimated. I can only hope sometimes
this film is from a female perspective, but the people who all keep harping on the idea that the protagonist's experience is uniquely female are just showing their cluelessness.
both men and women fear and struggle with aging, and the inevitability of death. the premise of this film isn't new. it was made from a male perspective 50 years ago:
_science fiction psychological horror film; aging man becomes disillusioned - feels he's becoming disposable/irrelevant; contacted by a representative of a mysterious company; is promised "rebirth" as a better more vital younger version of himself if he submits to experimental medical procedure; he gets what was promised but in a ''monkey's paw'' form that makes him regret his wish was fulfilled._
@ this is a good point. I'm choosing to look at it through a feminist lens in my comment, as men's aging in Hollywood, ads, business, and other industries is not treated as as much of an issue as it is for women-just look at the age gaps in people playing moms and dads in movies from the 2000s. Often, the actress playing a "mom" is barely older than the actor/actress playing the children, while the father is actually of age. This film in particular plays to the unique cruelty that women face as we age-men hold positions of power when they age, are seen as wise and toughened, whereas women are deemed not-so-useful when they've reached a certain age by MANY big industries. It's a unique discrimination that I don't think compares across the board to men's experience-apples to oranges in a sense. Although I think you're right that it's not a uniquely female perspective, it is an /overwhelmingly/ female experience. Old men have been calling the shots in Hollywood and other big industries since the beginning-that is why this film highlights that unequal power dynamic so fiercely.
@ I would also say that I agree with you bc if that film you mentioned from earlier times. It's a valid and important perspective to be shared, though I've never seen a movie that chronicles the female perspective so well, hence my comment. I also think the root of both men and women feeling useless in those industries is ultimately still the pressure put on them by old men in power. It's a common enemy sort of deal ya know?
THE SUBSTANCE is a movie that delivers on EVERY front: story, message, acting, aesthetics, effects, pacing, erotica, horror, cinematic homages, every aspect is NAILED perfectly
AYYYY happy this movie is doing well and that mubi gave it a chance
My gf actually does hate needles. For her it's the idea that the needle cuts a small hole into your skin only for that skin to be sprayed into your body.
But for some reason she didn't have an issue with the scenes in this movie.
But when she saw that one scene in the evil dead remake where someone face gets stabbed with a needle, she stood up and went to vomit.
does anybody know the name of the film in 2:19?
Fantastic commentary! Such a profound movie!!!
The Substance is audacious and easily my favorite film of the year
The substance feels like MGSV Phantom Pain. When it comes to body double. But unlike MGSV, where Naked Snake literally using Venom Snake(The doppelganger), and Venom just easily take the role of Boss. Sue was eager to take over the role of Elizabeth, and Elizabeth doesn't wanna lose her role. She didn't want to be used by Sue.
Was there a better film released this year? Because I genuinely don't think so. The Substance is just brilliant.
This is strikingly similar to Alex Garland's Men. The tables turn here with the lengths both men and women take for social expectance
In media the role of a mother has been demeaned for decades thus creating a society that values only younger women, when older women are just as beautiful, even if physically less so (although most of the time that’s barely arguable).
So good to get an original story and it's actually great
I have not seen a major Hollyweird movie at any monetary cost to myself since 2018. Our physical bodies are really nothing more than the corporeal vessel for our soul. Our soul will continue on.
I think the ending could be more subtle, not so gore and grotesque but still I really liked it - I love untypical movies and the esthetic like that
Definitely one of top tier surreal, camp and satirical movie we got this year honestly, and in like a newer modern sense 💅🧪🧫💉
Yoh it's just crazy this film had a budget of only 17.5 million USD
The Substance is the best movie of the year and best horror movie of the year- it's not only so meaningful, but fun, unique, and creative. Moore deserves an Oscar for her performance. Wish I watched this in theaters. TT
this is crazy talk. Dune 2 is the best movie of the year and also maybe of the last decade
@@poindextertunes I loooove Dune, but Dune 2 was a complete and total failure after the first movie. It completely botched the book story, it was so bad at dialogue and I never really felt Paul growing such as he does in Dune 1 or in the book. That was one movie that should have been 2. It won't get nearly as much recognition as Dune 1 got.