Hope yall like the vid just for the record tho, I'm talking about the issue of scamming people and faking things! Not here to add to accusations against any individual artist, hence why the name is blacked out and I don't encourage anyone to send any hate towards anyone else, if you send hate to others online regardless of how much you disagree with them you're adding to the problem!!!
@@henrydrawsven7082I suggest searching something like ‘cyberpunk’. In some pictures you can tell that the gears and patterns are inconsistent or lead to nowhere. There are also character turnarounds created by ai that don’t even match each other properly when studied.
They don't draw by themselves, but they do write the prompt on their own. Saying that writing a prompt does not require skills is like saying that writing poetry does not demand skills. I have tried using AI to generate images, and from my experience, generating a good image is not that easy. You need to be really good at describing the image, similar to how a skilled writer describes a scene in a novel.
The amount of people missing the point of that thread so hard is laughable. And then they go on and speak like they know what they're talking about, no moment of self-reflection to be found
well that's generally twitter if you said you like apple, some twitter user will complains that orange are better fruits and you shouldn't discriminate xD
I am surrounded by people like them, I am absolutely tired after correcting them for years still no self reflection, they don't even realize that they are talking batshit.
My biggest issue with this post is how it was handled. The "proofs" are bullshit and targeting tons of actual artists, there's tons of those smug faces drawn all over it like the poster knows everything, clearly targets one person in particular, and than says "BuT iTs NoT aN aTtAcK" AND THAN victimizes himself because he apparently received some harassment. No, it was not informational, it was a clear attack on someone else for nothing but clout, pretending to be a good Samaritan. He's a disgrace to all artists. I doubt he is so stupid that he didn't knew he could handle it better, so it must be intentional attack. On top of all of that he proved nothing. You can't prove someone traced or repainted from ai without targeting normal artists by accident. This trigger happy behavior will not help us fight against ai. What will help us is GETTING BETTER THAN AI
This AI thing is getting really bad. One time i shared sam's art, one of my friend said "it's AI right?" And i then explain them that it's actually not. But they insist that it is AI like "no, it's AI. Just look at the hand" I swear no matter what i say, there's no way i can convince them that it's not
@@Haido3Deventually theres gotta be since this affected other ppl other than artists And ill never use AI as a way to create real art, i mostly use it for fun but i want something done id hire a real artist and i would suggest them to timelapse the whope process so to avoid them being discredited
this problem was started by the witch hunt artists started. It's a sympton from something artists created, and now people have to deal with consequences
technically it is art- art stolen from a whole bunch of amazing real artists all smushed together into a single art piece which is full of mistakes- but yeah I agree; I never call ai generated images ai art unless I'm being sarcastic
Before 2020 I was browsing Instagram and other places quite a lot. Hashtags were very helpful with finding new (and old) artists. I returned to using social media only at the start of 2024, and I was SHOCKED at the state of it. Everything is filled with AI garbage no matter where you go. You want references? AI. To look at ✨️beautiful✨️ girls? AI. TO LOOK AT SAM'S PAINTINGS? Nah, hold your AI copies of Sam's art. I miss the cleaner internet.
@@i3ssb00st5 Protests won't stop the main ones from pressing the red button. There will always be someone who will continue developing AI, and right now it's Musk, as well as the massive companies such as Nvidia. Wait a few more years and AI will start to develop itself on its own, and when we reach that point, that's when it's going to be a disaster. Personally, AI is fascinating, I love how it develops, even though it's scary in some aspects. The main problem is where it crushes the artistic field. That's my personal issue with it, and apart from that, AI should continue developing.
Eh, Instagram killed hashtags by not allowing people to view recent art with hashtags. That means if you have a niche subject and you're a small artist, you can get discovered by other aficionados.
“ if you are tracing an AI made piece, what you are doing, is tracing a chewed up, digested, and vomited out piece of art.” Idk why but I found that rlly funny 😂😂😂
which includes or will in the future include your own drawings likely without you agreeing to it, so you might as well trace or you will just be left in the dust because of legally AI cannot have copyrights, you cannot plagiarize AI, i don't like AI and how it steals from artists but if you take down the very little benefits it provides then you are gimping the people who are on your side, this is one of those times you guys misses the mark, you need to have a sense of priority, just like jobs paying less is not the fault of immigrants but the elites who use them ai being scummy is not the fault of the artists but the people who made it without ethical training data, blaming the victim is not gonna help anyone;
but if you correct it and apply your style on that image it usefull, it like art correction that many artist in Yt do but the diffrent is the client is Ai not human
I got accused of using AI and even after I showed the timelaps and step by step coloring (using sam's tips ofc) their excuse was that I didn't know how to draw eyes. Even tho AI 'stoles' art WE are the ones copying....ridiculous
@@Dau_nanh_da_xanh that was always a thing. Very often intermideately skilled artists were shooting at each other being extremely overprotective of their work, things like "pose stealing" or "color palette stealing", accusations thrown left and right, the most extreme thing I heard of was that someone offered a cupcake to one artist filled with needles, just because that someone didn't liked the artists' undertale ships. This is frankly nothing new. It's just on wider scale since everyone with a brain hates ai, so those deranged people can now cover themselves behind the feel of fighting the good fight. Except those people would gladly glass entire art community to reach their goals. People need to grow moral spine before they're allowed to write anything on the internet.
- So using an AI image generator that uses other people's art as reference/training and creating a full illustration in 5 hours by prompt engineering, inpainting, post-processing, photo-bashing, touching up things in PhotoPea ect. is not art, but opening a jpeg of my favorite artist's OC next to my photoshop, or buying their PSD and drawing fanart by hand for 5 hours is? Interesting viewpoint. To me, the important thing is to be transparent with it. On Twitter, but also when you are having clients for your commissions. - I think I'm pretty good at spotting it, after doing it myself for over a year every single day as my hobby. (next to digital hand drawn art) But I still don't go around and accuse people of using AI for art, unless I see that there is money/fraud involved. All I want is for people to tag/communicate it properly and stop being ashamed (and to shame others) for using AI for art. And when we can get "ethical" AI training rather sooner than later - all the better. But that's not my responsibility as an AI user to solve. Same as you don't care about how your shirt or your Li-Ion battery in your phone was produced. (just in case someone wants to pull that argument now)
@@Shabazza84 "prompt engineering" You just throw a bunch of keywords at it until you get something you like. You're not doing anything significantly harder than an actual artist. Ethical ai training isn't coming. It's far too late for that. Websites like Deviantart have already opened themselves up to be scrapped for ai training. I believe many such sites have an opt out option, even though it should be the other way around. The people that want ethical training are the artists, everyone else outside of that don't actually care. They just want pretty pictures as cheap as they can get them.
Ai image is so bland, i literally develop spider sense shit to know if it's ai or not The most easy thing to spot is pretty much their glossy rendering, second is detailing, third is intention
@@Shabazza84 dude you do none of that shit. Cut the bullshit lol. Modern AI image generative models take a few mins max to generate an image. It's like saying: Ok, so buying a house, adding in the furniture, and repainting it isn't building a house But building one is? Just stop trying to call machine made works art, because they aren't. No one would care if it was ethically trained and you weren't claiming it to be art. Get off of your "look at me i do a bit of airbrushing, edit the colours and photobash this AI image! I'm as much of an artist as you are!" mound of bullshit and learn how to draw. 12 years down the line you might understand why comparing AI generated images to art is fucking stupid
I hate it when I find some beautiful art, then go search for the artist because I want to learn their techniques and I just can't find it, because it's AI "art" and there's no way to break down the image back to its references to find the original artist. It's just getting tiring now
@@Allyfyn That's not the point. The point is that when the AI-vomit is based on references that the viewer doesn't know about, then there is no way to follow the "DNA thread" of the images. For instance, someone stumbling on a AI-vomited image of Ryu but not knowing too much about the history of Capcom wouldn't be able to discover Akiman or Kinu Nishimura (and their specific techniques).
@@piorismThe point of what? They said they hate that it happens, and I offered a suggestion that in doing so, would decrease how much it happens for them. Talking about how the data is untraceable is not going to help anyone emotionally wherever this happens. It's not going to stop it from happening, not in the short term.
OMG REAL!! In the art sphere where we always referencing and learning from each other and sharing techniques, AI doesn’t show where it even sourced it’s artworks so artists cannot find the primary artist it based it’s generated artwork! The many times I’ve been baited by ai art via trying to find the artist, then realised it’s ai generated and therefore sad i couldn’t find another unique artist to study from sighh It totally disrupts the creative cycle and natural flow of information and feels like an unnecessary roadblock for development. The only feasible way to actually use ai is i guess vibes?? The imprint of the artwork’s artstyle?? Honestly i have it blocked on most of my things cause of this too (plus it’s many issues)
The "muddy" backgrounds they mentioned being a tell for ai, stood out to me because colour blocking and blobbing method is something i learned from sam
I noticed that artists "who get accused that they're stealing art even though they haven't" find easy ways to proof that they have not stole. they share they're statements and attachments carefree without hesitation since they know that they aren't commiting crime. but scammers on the other hand struggle to do so since it's difficult to hide the lie.
Nah, I’ve been accused multiple times of tracing Ai art (and only once was it on a study I traced from an actual artist’s work, everything else was original creations)
@@reginaldforthright805an “accusation”is PROOF? That statement is almost oxymoronic. Haven’t u seen all the artists that have been accused of ai only to go on and show their layers and time lapses to prove otherwise? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
I think the scary part is that I think AI is starting to be able to generate speedpaints as well. It doesn’t look very real but in the future it might not be enough to just have a speedpaint 😭
The program called Corel Painter Essentials, has a feature that you input an image, being a photo or drawing, then AI uses that base to "draw" a copy from zero. I used to play around with that to see my drawings in different painting styles. But I guess it would be easy to fake a speedpaint using an AI generated image and making Corel's AI "re-draw" that image. Technology is a scary thing.
Not to induce paranoia, but sometimes I feel like this is a trick to get artists to share their wip/process to prove they drew their work is just a round about way to get their wip so they can feed to the new sketch process ai program
Generating SpeedPaint is the most stupid ass thing i ever heard, like why? Why are they trying so hard to get acknowledge as an artist?If you wanna be artist just pick up a pencil or pentab and DRAW, it's not that hard or complicated. These people really missing out that feeling when you finally make an improvement after hour of studying Or that feeling when you finally finished a piece after doing countless sketches trying different thing
exactly. even speedpainting or even in the future a video of us painting traditional art might be generated with AI, turned with deepfakes etc.. it's just so dystopian. what even is AI bros vision?? complete chaos where people cannot differentiate right and wrong anymore, it seems.
great, everyone can do the same, art is now faster and democratized. no more paying for commissions for a quick profile picture etc. As a bonus, you can still draw over it and perfect it however you want. So go ahead, make some money if that's all that matters to you. but that doesn't make you an artist that makes you an artisan.
@@reginaldforthright805 No. Many 3D artists that make stylized work are being mistaken and hurt by those who try to steal those styles into AI machines to replicate them. Some people also think that all 3D is AI because they have no knowledge of its scope or how it can look like. Your generalization makes no sense whatsoever. AI can be identified by many factors easily.
Overall summary: - Tracing art (preferably art from real artist that you look up to) can be a great way to learn and take inspiration AS LONG as you don’t use it to make money and claim it as your own. - If you are going to try to use tracing to learn and grow as an artist, taking inspiration from real artist whose style you like rather than chewed up AI art may be a better approach. - In the end of the day, AI art, as Sam said, is simply art stolen from various artist that’s been granulated just to be mushed together, having no distinct style let alone proportions. - Referencing real artists can help you also develop a distinct style in your art, as they have unique styles and shape languages that you can take note of. AI art has no real style as it’s just many styles of artists taped together to create a (most likely) disproportionate piece of “art”. - Again, no hate. Don’t accuse people of tracing with no solid evidence.
I have to call out the last two points of your summary. Tracing real artists means you're taking their style, and if it doesn't, then trading AI would be the same and a new style is developed in either case. Sam didn't say to not accuse people without evidence, and he even said/implied you can spot frauds because they didn't record their art, or only part of it, which is massively disingenuous, or just very out of touch with the average person.
@@itsyaboidaniel2919I think it comes down to whether you copy the style completely, pixel to pixel or just take certain details and incorporate them into your art And not accusing people with no evidence is still just a good thing to practice lol
@@itsyaboidaniel2919 You have a point, but when you’re tracing artist you should not steal their art style completely and simply study their art to take inspiration as permafrost1 said. Secondly, recording only parts of their art, to me, counts as evidence. When I said no evidence I meant simply accusing them of AI traced art just Becuase “it looks like it”.
@@Permafrost1 Right, but the same applies to both real art and AI art. It's how the person does it, not the source. Correct, not accusing people without evidence is good practice, but this video didn't say that.
I saw a video earlier that explained these points more in detail. It's true that a beginner artists (or even professional ones) can make all of these mistakes, but its the combination all of them in their art works that makes it a bit sus. When it comes to AI, it's better to ask the question "Why would anyone draw it this way?" rather than just asking "Why did they draw this?", since the current AI does some mistakes that don't really make any sense from the human perspective.
I hate all of these. All of this "proof" can be applied to basically any mid-level artist. The idea that everything has to be either perfect or bad, otherwise it's ai or was traced from ai, is absolutely absurd. Spreading this is only making it harder for real artists to get better. As it is, there's more incentive to be bad than to be good. The idea that people have to record and if they don't have recordings they're lying is also absurd. A lot of people don't record for various reasons. Like not having a good enough computer to record and draw, using a program like PS that doesn't automatically record, not having the disk space to hold the recordings, not knowing how to make a time-lapse. All of this paranoia is only further hurting the art community. I am a mid-level artist and constantly deal with people accusing me of using ai. I don't like to record time-lapse because I don't have a lot of disk space, don't always have the time to make them, and having to perform gives me a lot of anxiety. It makes the process really unfun. So now we have a process that isn't fun anymore and posting isn't fun and only gets me attacked. Why should I continue making art? Especially when taking into consideration all of the other problems that come with competing against ai. It's a lot easier to not make anything and let ai just take over. It certainly saves me a lot of stress and anxiety. So please just admit that there's no way to tell. It's an unfortunate reality, but being paranoid and attacking or accusing people is only going to help ai take over and discourage people from making art.
I disagree. The “art” being shown has a lot of skill discrepancies between basic things like sketch lines to shading techniques to anatomy posing. Someone who hasn’t built the hand-eye coordination to make a steady-ish line yet most definitely can’t make an anatomically correct pose. How could anyone? If you don’t know the shape you’re drawing well enough to make a solid, confident line, then you couldn’t possible have been able to make an accurate pose. Making good lines is one of the first steps an artist has to take in learning, anatomy is a second step. You need to be able to draw a line first. I can understand other things like background techniques being shaky, as a lot of artists (myself included) tend to ignore practicing those because it’s not as fun as drawing the subject. Providing speed paints of your digital art shouldn’t be a hard thing to ask, though. Even free apps that a lot of people use, like Ibis Paint, have that feature for free. Another big thing you missed is that it’s suspicious self proclaimed artists that get this request most frequently, and much of the time it’s for a good reason. Asking for honesty in a landscape ever-filling with fakes isn’t wrong. Let’s make this clear; *no one expects artists to be perfect.* You made the assumption that this is at the root of this discussion. It’s not. The issue here that does decry traced art (AI or not) is the inconsistencies in skill levels. _No one said it’s a bad thing to be a beginner artist._ What is being said is that if you’re gonna trace, be upfront about it (and don’t trace AI, it won’t teach you anything).
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro This is completely absurd. Someone can very easily make a solid line without understanding anatomy. Especially using this crazy new technique called "inking". I stopped reading after that. You're clearly more interested in feeding your own paranoia and attacking artists than anything.
There are ways to tell. Many people just don't know them, or think they can tell when they can't. At some points you have to be a high enough level of an artist to tell. The differentiation between Ai and human made things is the process of which it is made. If you're a high enough level artist in your style, you know the processes in which drawings in that style are drawn Therefore you would be able to tell whether something is AI, or used AI in the process. You only think there is no way to tell because you don't have the skill. Also, you really shouldn't be stressing yourself out over accusations of you using AI. As long as you're not, what's the problem? A few silly twats think you used it? Don't give power to them. Also, why are you considering quitting drawing before considering a break from posting on social media? Since you're so worried about getting criticism, I'm wondering why you even post? Why not wait until you're at a higher level to post since you're so insecure? Sometimes, a little patience is all you need. There are a lot of artists who start posting before they're actually ready for it.
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro Problems arise when the people who acuse other of AI do it out of jealousy and won't ever listen to any proof whatsoever from the artist, really. It's not that hard to differentiate if you know what you're looking at but there are some people who literally only look for problems 😐 To be honest I think the original comment's best solution to this is to rest their mind and develop their skill and confident outside of internet, because no matter how good you are you'll be accuse of using AI anyway
that's why I come back and love traditional art again. No one will be able to steal it, or doubt its identity. I feel safe painting with watercolor, even though it doesn't have many cool options like in procreate. But traditional art also has its good sides and maybe at least it will be able to save itself from AI....
I have some bad news for you, there are machines that use AI programming to create physical traditional art now. I think the most important thing is to just do what makes you happy, and just keep some receipts of your process, whether that be recording you painting, sketches, or recording a digital speed paint. There is a certain human touch in the creative process (from rough draft to finished) I don't believe AI will ever be able to replicate, as it changes from person to person. If people still question you after that, they probably weren't there to support in the first place.
Tbh I legit am constantly terrified of being called out for ai stuff and tracing and all that. (I have no reason to because I don't use any of that nor are my followers aggressive 💀💀) yet literally everytime I post anything that's like a study or used some sort of reference material I'm like "YALL I DID USE A REFERENCE ITS RIGHT HERE HERES EVERY SINGLE THING THAT INSPIRED THIS PIECE I WAS INSPIRED BY THIS ARTIST HERES ALL THEIR SOCIALS LITERALLY EVERYTHING GO FOLLOW THEM" cuz like I aint boutta have people thinking I'm stealing 😭
I am an artist who is still learning, but recently i started posting on Instagram and tik tok. A person later tagged me in a video saying that I was using AI in my drawings to scam people (even though i DON'T do commissions), I talked to the person and they told me that on discord there was someone scamming young people telling them that they were me and taking advantage that i don't have that many followers and that I dont draw that well so they can confuse them and use AI 😞 it wasn't a big problem bc i managed to resolve quickly but it was... Idk, i don't feel really good posting now
I just don’t post anything. I don’t really care about people seeing my sculptures or paintings. I create art because I love creating things. Anyone mad about tracing better not look at the tattoo industry too much. Some can’t even draw.
I’m a nursing student with a love art when you said (put me to sleep right here) and tapped your chin I was so happy because that’s the area the can make you pass out
...this generative AI stuff keeps improving each year quite literally progressing each time to the point even some artists are getting fooled i mean look at what happened to Pinterest or hell even google images and some Twitter outcalls (most being wrong so artists infighting among each other) in the art space. Please do what you can to help deter those Ai scammers and phonies. Don't send hate just defend yourself from scammers.
I was accused of using AI and tracing A lot....... last time it was in an art trade, i drew their oc and they started yapping lol, they went on to report me and stole my character design too, which was very personal to me, tf dude😭 I almost got banned from a discord server too ( its not an tragedy, just saying) but I had enough proof that I was a real artist... and in the end the only one who got banned was them,, i reported and blocked them everywhere i could find them so they wont come back again... (maybe im a little bit too paranoid) I often see (on social platforms, esp tiktok) how people with a more of an “anime” style are accused of using AI, I myself draw in this kinda style, but due to the fact that I no longer want to face such situations like i did before, I started an account on TikTok where I publish my processes drawing... I've become so paranoid about posting my art online, man, this just svcks
I also met the person who is being talked about in this video, Sunvi or whatever their user is... in the same discord server, offering Art trades. I saw their "art" and imidiately knew what was going on, because I'm somewhat experienced and all that sad part, a lot of people fell for their offer, I wonder if all those people were upset afterwards, cuz I'd be so mad
I think one of the biggest problem is most of consumers do not care, it looks good, then it's good. It may hurt people's feeling but it is what it is. (And I don't care any of those, I just want to git gud at art :D
a lot of good points here, and a good way to dissect that thread. definitely agree a lot of those points aren't 100% surefire ways. their heart is in the right place, but they need to probably look at the issue again. i will say, one thing that personally makes me sad is people feel as if they're starting to be forced to keep recordings on hand or have to reveal their processes just to defend themselves. nobody should have to share those vids if they don't want to, and i've already seen some people heckle an artist into sharing their process vid (got accused of being an AI piece) with the intent of ripping that vid for their own use, not because they wanted the proof. it was really gross and i felt awful for them. the defense part of this is such a fine line and can go sour so easily.
1:15 that was personal... 2:00 i also use the round default brush 😞 3:55 how is it hate when i love doing it 😔 5:25 don't trace art kids. You're better at what you do. So follow the process 😁
First part of the video - sane person finally! The advices how to spot AI art or AI traced art sometimes so insane. I like default round brush and also like eye picking colors instead of blending modes cause that's how you can add more variety and vibrance to picture. Also it's much faster to do in one layer if the picture intended to be simple.
Thank you, thank you for your tutorials, your feedback on what’s the right way to approach my art journey, and thank you for making my cause of your crazy jokes, it helps me a person whose been doing art since five and now is thirteen with art struggles so thx ☺️
I also trace but only when doing digital art since i can't get used to it, its too smooth for my liking and highlights my mistakes (i'm a perfectionist). But i never post or say its my piece. I'm learning to colour so my own drawing aren't the best example. I do traditional art tho soo.
very well said. AI art has no intention or spirit. it’s better to trace from artists who speak to you for some reason. just credit. not to toot my own horn, but i’m a very good artist-and in my youth, it came from tracing and referencing. AI is like nina the dog daughter from FMA; an unholy chimera. your own art from study of many artists is a chimera as well, but has identity and doesn’t lack soul. each artist you study has a personal connection. i think of kishimoto when i draw collar bones, oda when i hatch shade, etc. understanding your pieces and having respect for what you’ve “borrowed” makes a consistent product that’s a shrine to what you love about art.
I think people should be open to do whatever they need to learn. I have no issues if someone used ai to do smth beign or study. I don't agree with making money solely off it as you didn't make it. But if you want to use elements of it to learn, or helping to get motivated to complete a project (esp personal) go off. Idk sometimes the hate is annoying, the people scamming too are annoying tho. Its tiring how extreme people seem to get on both sides.
Thank you for your service, Sam 🙇🏻 You saved me and my spouse so much time and energy in digesting art news/discourse coming from the dumpster fires (social media)!
Just be good in traditional art. Let that you can be able to draw anywhere anytime....im so far back in drawing digitally but im confident that I can make a good piece anywhere anytime with just enough materials traditionally. And I've stepped back abit due to personal issues so my art is not as solid but im still confident there.
Fun fact: the procreate private image helps extremely for people like for example someone that has naked models on the canvas or images of themselves as a reference. Sadly it has become very visible because of people that trace and lie about it
Why the term traced and not stolen? I've seen many videos of people complaining about other creators stealing their art and they call it "traced"... why not "stolen"?
Literally feel called out about thin lineart . Now I'm wondering if my line art is gunna be thought of as too thin or that my changes in art style is gunna be judged . I'm still finding my own style and it's not consistent yet as I'm still learning and evolving
6:28 yeah here’s the other issue. i personally do use private layers for references and my own photos i’m tracing over for a cleaner timelapse and sometimes for privacy. so for me this feature is rlly useful. it sucks that people are using it maliciously and they have been for a while
i think it's okay to use AI for IDEAS. in the end, real artists (and real images) are better for reference and tracing to learn. like i was struggling to inagine a cyberpunk scene recently, and so i generated a bunch with the angles and settings i had in mind, and used those to create something on my own from there.
The amount of this people say that they are artist but actually using bot to draw for them and post the drawing and said it there art...even sometimes ther is a evidence that the drawing isn't drawinging... people if you want to be a artist don't run from your responsibility or you don't want to get haunted instead...>:D🌸✨
ai art is art but the person who type the prompt is a creative typer also i would always ask ai bros for their prompts but they always either ignore me or give me a very basic generic word for their prompts xD
default round brush is really all you need. but nothing wrong with wanting more brush variety! as far as tracing, i can honestly say, i never learned anything from tracing other peoples art. I only learned from drafting by eye.
If someone is artist like me, i think we can tell if it's AI or not, because there is such a strange "blur" in the image, it's so wierd and i don't know how to explain and it's so characteristic for AI and doesn't matter if it's photo or painting.
I feel like AI art has this uncanny effect. I can’t always explain it either. A year ago, it would be when the eyes were all jumbled kind of like stained glass, or the hands were melded and patterns didn’t connect. But now, as AI improves itself, it’s hard to say exactly what it is but you can still just tell it was generated by a computer in some cases. Other times I feel like an idiot because it looks so realistic and I have to check the persons profile.
Exactly, when every part of the image has that airbrushed over rendered look you just know it’s ai generated, a machine cannot replicate the concept of leading the viewer’s eye through the image, and doesn’t understand visual weight. Even the first point made about weird line inconsistencies is true, the skill gaps between the linework and render are just too big to be believable, i mean a real artist with that level of skill in rendering and detail would surely not be making beginner mistakes like that yk?
@@vinny985I don't know, most professional artists I know have weak points. I myself have always been great at form and composition, but my colour work isn't great.
About tracing to learn, as someone who has "traced" for that purpose before - don't just trace it. Try to see how you'd sketch it, break down the shapes. UNDERSTAND where the original artist was coming from. Unless you're trying to learn lineart, which, I'll be fair, never worked well for me with that process. When I was 12 and learning anatomy, I'd print images of anatomy I liked at 8% opacity and sketch all over them to see my personal "skeleton" method~
"I'm glad AI art exists because I don't have time to make artwork from my 90 hour job where I work 14 hours a day then I come home to sleep get up and go back to work I really wish I can make artwork by inserting coins into a slot machine praise capitalism and society which I really think could be improve some more" - some AI bro from reddit probably
Okay but what if i don't know how to record timelapses or my pc doesnt have space to save HOURS of drawing? im not a professional artist but what if i make a masterpiece accidentally and dont have proof?
Hey don’t let that discourage you from doing art. I’ve felt that way during a period of time, but I’ve been feeling more motivated than ever. Personally I do art as a hobby, so I can’t exactly speak for those who want to make it a career, but I enjoy the process. I like learning how to draw, and be able to create something I can actually call my own through my own skills. Also don’t let social media numbers influence your motivation to do art. There will always be people who support real artists.
@@AZ-zz4knthank you bro that motivated me a lot! I hope that us artists can get more likes and views than a silly robot making a humans had look like they are half bug half human 😭❤️🙏
@@giant0mantisthank you bro I will! I can’t believe that “artist” or if I should even call them that are using AI and they get more attention than artists who actually put heart into their art ❤
I personally think that at the beginning, AI was a great TOOL for artists, not a replacement like some people are trying to do, but a TOOL. I think that AI can be useful to try and figure out a general pose that you can't find a reference for. Like, something very precise that you tried to search, and possibly don't have the body-type for. But sadly, people these days just think about making money easily and with only 1 click. To think these kind of people also submit their AI art to competitions and sometimes WIN is disgusting. I believe that AI, in any domain, music juste like art should be a HELPING TOOL, not a stealing tool used to replace artists of every kind because those people are too lazy to learn to take a pen and start drawing themselves. Also, I agree that you can use tracing a learning method as long as you don't post it and claim it as yours, just as a study... I have some drawing from when I started to learn to use my graphic tablet, and I was tracing over different references from anime to animals, objects, etc... Because I wanted to learn how to use the tablet and the "correct" technique, but I didn't post them (tbh, I'd only post drawing I'm proud of and not old drawings cuz I'm kinda insecure about my old drawings :') )
I've been digital sculpting for a few years. When I started I thought it would be easier copy a single character... I spent nearly a year doing that over and over. Got no where, but once I started using references from tons of various characters, it then only took me like a week to actually make something I was actually proud of. It's like your subconscious understanding the guidelines so you can make the logical decisions, rather than copy something aimlessly. I think that's literally just called "Learning" lol, but learning is actually the easiest way to be successful believe it or not. Ai will never be a shortcut to talent
i saw this happening over the last few days as it unfolded, the emotional whiplash as more got revealed or discovered was interesting. Nice to see a video on it and bringing this to light
Ive just gotten into drawing while my gf has been drawing and painting basically her whole life. She said i picked up pretty quick with the pauses i take due to my ADHD. Now AI has me terrified people will think my practice streams and videos are fake. My lines are always inconsistent because I'm still learning my style. Its disheartening to be honest.
5:34 these words are so important and reassuring for me I learned a lot about digital thanks to your work I love everything about what you do I have a lot of fun drawing my characters with your style on my Instagram posts it doesn't There are only 3 or 4 people who see them but you are always credited there as well as in my bio! People think that originality makes you a real artist but I think you shouldn't put pressure on yourself with that, if you like a style, practice it and reproduce it to make your own drawings ! We need to enjoy it's not a competition after all. ♥
So- I traded an art from someone and she was super kind that she is willing to give me two extra arts- she gave me the art I wanted. It’s very good, yes. But, something seems off, her finger doesn’t look right but she also asked me if I wanted to see the sketch. Other than those mistake, hair, eyes and everything is good and the art is a good quality. She also sent me a transparent background. Could she be tracing?
Okay I have a genuine question- What if I have an art idea, but need help with conceptualization due to lack of motivation? For example, sometimes I generate AI prompts just to get inspiration of what I want my final piece to look like, as well as what style I want to use. I then use that as a really loose reference. Is that wrong??
Not at all. You can definitely use AI as a tool to get conceptual ideas, as sometimes it provides some really interesting work. The problem begins when this prompt is "yours", and you claim the "artist" title for that. But yeah, it's great for ideas, not tracing/copying
I gotta argue against the no sketching phase recording. I don't show myself doing the sketch phase bc its the part I hate doing the most and I'm not going to bore people with the parts that takes me the longest to do. Also, I know plenty of artists who never sketch and get straight into lining a piece. So not a good argument there
right now I cant do process videos but I do try to remember to take pictures of my sketches and line art. I'm mostly a traditional artist.. and honestly I dont take commissions anymore regardless. my drive to create for others is pretty much dead bc of all the ai crap and distrust going around. my chromebook cant use PTS so im stuck with sumo which kinda sucks. since im not making money I cant justify paying for compatible program right now either.
if you decide to trace ai as a new artist (say you can't find anything that's exactly what you're looking for after an hour of searching) the best thing to do is to have that and a real reference picture for lightning/anatomy of someone in a similar pose (or yourself). this allows you to double check everything actually looks correct. in gaining any knowledge from ai images in general, i believe it excels in framing/positioning and seems to always guide you to where you're supposed to look. as someone who is working on that, i like to upload a rough sketch and see how it rearranges the things in it and i believe that ive gotten better from doing so.
Honestly if I’m out of ideas I’ll take an ai image I already found and draw it. For instance, there’s an ai image of a girl in a cool outfit holding a gun, I’m never gonna trace an ai image, but it’s a good prompt. What I mean is I’ll take the inspiration or idea and draw it by my lonesome. I won’t trace ai, but they can sometimes be good Inspiration, since ai can make literally anything, sometimes it can go beyond my imagination. Don’t be scared to trace though, just remember to disclose when you do! :)
btw this girl already started drawing on her own so please dont attack her she is still young, she learned her mistake، i follow her on twitter i dont support ai art, but i like it when people improve on their own
I can't draw on a tablet I still have a physical sketchbook or 20 (I'm old school I then scan my lineart to comp and digitally color because I can't afford markers), regardless I still struggle with hands and feet that is a hit or miss with me after like 15+ years (off and on). my pfp I hid the hand like an armature XDDD I am 100% self taught, I started learning by tracing back when I was like 12/13 from Disney books, then I went and learned to copy from old Marvel, DC and independent comic books and moved on to anime trying to find my own style. Learning takes a long time and I still haven't found a style, my pfp is the closest thing to my anime style but haven't found a comicbook style yet.
@@BaronBacon I know I can't do shit but I think I speak for the majority of artists we'd rather it weren't here to stay. You don't sound like an artist.
GenAI is not just about creating pretty images. That is just a tiny part of it that is simply more visible. There are a lot of good industrial uses for it that save lives and make things cheaper and more affordable for the general public. Knife is not a problem, the person using it is.
@@tsakeboya it's just a matter of fact, we're all being replaced, every single one of us regardless of occupation. it sucks, it really sucks. but it's happening.
Hope yall like the vid just for the record tho, I'm talking about the issue of scamming people and faking things! Not here to add to accusations against any individual artist, hence why the name is blacked out and I don't encourage anyone to send any hate towards anyone else, if you send hate to others online regardless of how much you disagree with them you're adding to the problem!!!
Also ART BABIES PLS GO AND TRACE AND DO WHAT U GOTTA DO TO LEARN! Be honest be forthcoming and you have nothing to be scared of! Do your thing!!
Hi daddy sam😏
Art Babies, we're praying for you
12 min ago??!! luv ur vids❤️ thanks daddy sam 😏
Hi papi Sam, yes we loved your video papi Sam
any time I’m looking for a reference on pinterest there’s AI art everywhere 😭
I wish there was a filter function for all that AI bullshit on pinterest! 😒
lol i never seen IA references in Pinterest... D:
@@henrydrawsven7082I suggest searching something like ‘cyberpunk’. In some pictures you can tell that the gears and patterns are inconsistent or lead to nowhere. There are also character turnarounds created by ai that don’t even match each other properly when studied.
I am so devastated by this, now i barely go to pinterest, it's so bad there
and its always the worst ones too. I swear its gotta be bot accounts just farming clicks or something idk...
😭😭 i feel like us artists are constantly losing in this generative ai stuff
It hurt going in deviantart and ONLY seeing Ai on the home page. same with Art station marketplace
Yeah, it sucks
I mean there's always embracing it as a tool instead 🤷
unfortunately so, the fact people rather defend AI tracers than actual artists... 🥲
@@maddiekitsbut theres barely any control to it, i dont think it would enhance my art personally
I still CANNOT believe there are people out there calling themselves “artists” because they make a robot draw something for them☠️☠️
there's so many of them, do believe
They don't draw by themselves, but they do write the prompt on their own. Saying that writing a prompt does not require skills is like saying that writing poetry does not demand skills. I have tried using AI to generate images, and from my experience, generating a good image is not that easy. You need to be really good at describing the image, similar to how a skilled writer describes a scene in a novel.
@@baiwuli6781 then call yourself a poet instead,
Specify it 😂
@@baiwuli6781then that would make them a writer not an artist
@@baiwuli6781Yeah, you need to be really good at writing to steal art made by other people mashed into a bunch of nonsense… of course
The amount of people missing the point of that thread so hard is laughable. And then they go on and speak like they know what they're talking about, no moment of self-reflection to be found
well that's generally twitter
if you said you like apple, some twitter user will complains that orange are better fruits and you shouldn't discriminate xD
Notice how it’s mostly the checkmarks, they’re so desperate for 2 whole dollars of engagement money they just write the most nonsensical arguments
I am surrounded by people like them, I am absolutely tired after correcting them for years still no self reflection, they don't even realize that they are talking batshit.
Its Twitter. A good chunk of them are filled with morons.
My biggest issue with this post is how it was handled. The "proofs" are bullshit and targeting tons of actual artists, there's tons of those smug faces drawn all over it like the poster knows everything, clearly targets one person in particular, and than says "BuT iTs NoT aN aTtAcK" AND THAN victimizes himself because he apparently received some harassment. No, it was not informational, it was a clear attack on someone else for nothing but clout, pretending to be a good Samaritan. He's a disgrace to all artists. I doubt he is so stupid that he didn't knew he could handle it better, so it must be intentional attack.
On top of all of that he proved nothing. You can't prove someone traced or repainted from ai without targeting normal artists by accident. This trigger happy behavior will not help us fight against ai. What will help us is GETTING BETTER THAN AI
This AI thing is getting really bad.
One time i shared sam's art, one of my friend said "it's AI right?" And i then explain them that it's actually not. But they insist that it is AI like "no, it's AI. Just look at the hand"
I swear no matter what i say, there's no way i can convince them that it's not
Seems like the only way to prove it is to have a time lapse handy of the entire process 😢
Then they're stupid. Pay them no mind. It's that simple.
It’s definitely a real problem that needs regulation, many are hurt & discredited by this
@@Haido3Deventually theres gotta be since this affected other ppl other than artists
And ill never use AI as a way to create real art, i mostly use it for fun but i want something done id hire a real artist and i would suggest them to timelapse the whope process so to avoid them being discredited
this problem was started by the witch hunt artists started. It's a sympton from something artists created, and now people have to deal with consequences
petition to start calling them ai generated images or ai images and not ai "art"
100% agree. Calling it AI art validates it as art, unintentionally or not, when that just isn't true.
technically it is art- art stolen from a whole bunch of amazing real artists all smushed together into a single art piece which is full of mistakes- but yeah I agree; I never call ai generated images ai art unless I'm being sarcastic
yes please 😭
I've been calling them that since the beginning but some people refuse to understand
@@AccelSternritter yeah- i never thought about it honestly… i’m gonna start now though
Before 2020 I was browsing Instagram and other places quite a lot. Hashtags were very helpful with finding new (and old) artists. I returned to using social media only at the start of 2024, and I was SHOCKED at the state of it. Everything is filled with AI garbage no matter where you go. You want references? AI. To look at ✨️beautiful✨️ girls? AI. TO LOOK AT SAM'S PAINTINGS? Nah, hold your AI copies of Sam's art. I miss the cleaner internet.
Sadly, this is going to get even worse as AI is always developed. AI is cool and helpful, but not in the art field
@@dan1elrAI is universally terrible
@@dan1elr it shouldnt get worst if governments start makong laws for them.
You could always start a protest and have them make those laws
@@i3ssb00st5 Protests won't stop the main ones from pressing the red button. There will always be someone who will continue developing AI, and right now it's Musk, as well as the massive companies such as Nvidia.
Wait a few more years and AI will start to develop itself on its own, and when we reach that point, that's when it's going to be a disaster.
Personally, AI is fascinating, I love how it develops, even though it's scary in some aspects. The main problem is where it crushes the artistic field. That's my personal issue with it, and apart from that, AI should continue developing.
Eh, Instagram killed hashtags by not allowing people to view recent art with hashtags. That means if you have a niche subject and you're a small artist, you can get discovered by other aficionados.
Why did he eat the tea like that 😭
Why not 👹
@@samdoesarts yeah, why not? I consume tea like this
For content lol
I have actually done this. Don’t really recommend. 😅
@@samdoesartshello😊
“ if you are tracing an AI made piece, what you are doing, is tracing a chewed up, digested, and vomited out piece of art.” Idk why but I found that rlly funny 😂😂😂
which includes or will in the future include your own drawings likely without you agreeing to it, so you might as well trace or you will just be left in the dust because of legally AI cannot have copyrights, you cannot plagiarize AI, i don't like AI and how it steals from artists but if you take down the very little benefits it provides then you are gimping the people who are on your side, this is one of those times you guys misses the mark, you need to have a sense of priority, just like jobs paying less is not the fault of immigrants but the elites who use them ai being scummy is not the fault of the artists but the people who made it without ethical training data, blaming the victim is not gonna help anyone;
It needs to be on a t shirt
@@ladykaydoesart7702 HAHAHA YEAhh I agreee🤣🤣
I don't understand the point of them tracing it at all, the AI already created an image for them
but if you correct it and apply your style on that image it usefull, it like art correction that many artist in Yt do but the diffrent is the client is Ai not human
Dawg. My art teacher said that she gets scared when a person relies on Ai for their ideas. Honestly, looking at these people on Twitter... I see why.
I got accused of using AI and even after I showed the timelaps and step by step coloring (using sam's tips ofc) their excuse was that I didn't know how to draw eyes. Even tho AI 'stoles' art WE are the ones copying....ridiculous
Some people are just jealous
just label every work as AI art so those people will leave you alone. that's what I did.
Artists are shooting at each other
@@Dau_nanh_da_xanh that was always a thing. Very often intermideately skilled artists were shooting at each other being extremely overprotective of their work, things like "pose stealing" or "color palette stealing", accusations thrown left and right, the most extreme thing I heard of was that someone offered a cupcake to one artist filled with needles, just because that someone didn't liked the artists' undertale ships. This is frankly nothing new. It's just on wider scale since everyone with a brain hates ai, so those deranged people can now cover themselves behind the feel of fighting the good fight. Except those people would gladly glass entire art community to reach their goals.
People need to grow moral spine before they're allowed to write anything on the internet.
@@anarchyorslavery1616🤡
Two things I hate the most:
-people pretending they are artists when they’re using AI
-people who thinks they know how to spot what’s AI
- So using an AI image generator that uses other people's art as reference/training and creating a full illustration in 5 hours
by prompt engineering, inpainting, post-processing, photo-bashing, touching up things in PhotoPea ect. is not art,
but opening a jpeg of my favorite artist's OC next to my photoshop, or buying their PSD and drawing fanart by hand for 5 hours is?
Interesting viewpoint.
To me, the important thing is to be transparent with it. On Twitter, but also when you are having clients for your commissions.
- I think I'm pretty good at spotting it, after doing it myself for over a year every single day as my hobby. (next to digital hand drawn art)
But I still don't go around and accuse people of using AI for art, unless I see that there is money/fraud involved.
All I want is for people to tag/communicate it properly and stop being ashamed (and to shame others) for using AI for art.
And when we can get "ethical" AI training rather sooner than later - all the better. But that's not my responsibility as an AI user to solve.
Same as you don't care about how your shirt or your Li-Ion battery in your phone was produced. (just in case someone wants to pull that argument now)
its easy to spot ai. lmao
@@Shabazza84 "prompt engineering" You just throw a bunch of keywords at it until you get something you like. You're not doing anything significantly harder than an actual artist.
Ethical ai training isn't coming. It's far too late for that. Websites like Deviantart have already opened themselves up to be scrapped for ai training. I believe many such sites have an opt out option, even though it should be the other way around. The people that want ethical training are the artists, everyone else outside of that don't actually care. They just want pretty pictures as cheap as they can get them.
Ai image is so bland, i literally develop spider sense shit to know if it's ai or not
The most easy thing to spot is pretty much their glossy rendering, second is detailing, third is intention
@@Shabazza84 dude you do none of that shit. Cut the bullshit lol. Modern AI image generative models take a few mins max to generate an image.
It's like saying:
Ok, so buying a house, adding in the furniture, and repainting it isn't building a house
But building one is?
Just stop trying to call machine made works art, because they aren't. No one would care if it was ethically trained and you weren't claiming it to be art. Get off of your "look at me i do a bit of airbrushing, edit the colours and photobash this AI image! I'm as much of an artist as you are!" mound of bullshit and learn how to draw. 12 years down the line you might understand why comparing AI generated images to art is fucking stupid
I hate it when I find some beautiful art, then go search for the artist because I want to learn their techniques and I just can't find it, because it's AI "art" and there's no way to break down the image back to its references to find the original artist. It's just getting tiring now
and looking for references and stuff is cringe in google images or pinterest, gotta add before:2022 in google search to avoid the AI spam
You should try learning some techniques first, so you can tell when AI isn't using them.
@@Allyfyn That's not the point. The point is that when the AI-vomit is based on references that the viewer doesn't know about, then there is no way to follow the "DNA thread" of the images. For instance, someone stumbling on a AI-vomited image of Ryu but not knowing too much about the history of Capcom wouldn't be able to discover Akiman or Kinu Nishimura (and their specific techniques).
@@piorismThe point of what? They said they hate that it happens, and I offered a suggestion that in doing so, would decrease how much it happens for them.
Talking about how the data is untraceable is not going to help anyone emotionally wherever this happens. It's not going to stop it from happening, not in the short term.
OMG REAL!! In the art sphere where we always referencing and learning from each other and sharing techniques, AI doesn’t show where it even sourced it’s artworks so artists cannot find the primary artist it based it’s generated artwork! The many times I’ve been baited by ai art via trying to find the artist, then realised it’s ai generated and therefore sad i couldn’t find another unique artist to study from sighh
It totally disrupts the creative cycle and natural flow of information and feels like an unnecessary roadblock for development. The only feasible way to actually use ai is i guess vibes?? The imprint of the artwork’s artstyle?? Honestly i have it blocked on most of my things cause of this too (plus it’s many issues)
the intro is so unhinged😂
The "muddy" backgrounds they mentioned being a tell for ai, stood out to me because colour blocking and blobbing method is something i learned from sam
I noticed that artists "who get accused that they're stealing art even though they haven't" find easy ways to proof that they have not stole. they share they're statements and attachments carefree without hesitation since they know that they aren't commiting crime. but scammers on the other hand struggle to do so since it's difficult to hide the lie.
For me, the accusation alone is proof of guilt.
@@reginaldforthright805 anyone can be accused of AI. Even real artists.
Nah, I’ve been accused multiple times of tracing Ai art (and only once was it on a study I traced from an actual artist’s work, everything else was original creations)
@@reginaldforthright805an “accusation”is PROOF? That statement is almost oxymoronic. Haven’t u seen all the artists that have been accused of ai only to go on and show their layers and time lapses to prove otherwise? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
@@reginaldforthright805you’re trollin
I think the scary part is that I think AI is starting to be able to generate speedpaints as well. It doesn’t look very real but in the future it might not be enough to just have a speedpaint 😭
I think so. The more people use process videos as a “proof of work,” the more training data that may be generated to develop AI to do the same.
The program called Corel Painter Essentials, has a feature that you input an image, being a photo or drawing, then AI uses that base to "draw" a copy from zero.
I used to play around with that to see my drawings in different painting styles.
But I guess it would be easy to fake a speedpaint using an AI generated image and making Corel's AI "re-draw" that image.
Technology is a scary thing.
Not to induce paranoia, but sometimes I feel like this is a trick to get artists to share their wip/process to prove they drew their work is just a round about way to get their wip so they can feed to the new sketch process ai program
Generating SpeedPaint is the most stupid ass thing i ever heard, like why? Why are they trying so hard to get acknowledge as an artist?If you wanna be artist just pick up a pencil or pentab and DRAW, it's not that hard or complicated.
These people really missing out that feeling when you finally make an improvement after hour of studying
Or that feeling when you finally finished a piece after doing countless sketches trying different thing
exactly. even speedpainting or even in the future a video of us painting traditional art might be generated with AI, turned with deepfakes etc.. it's just so dystopian. what even is AI bros vision?? complete chaos where people cannot differentiate right and wrong anymore, it seems.
The worst is people are tracing AI and starting patreons, making money. I'm exhausted
great, everyone can do the same, art is now faster and democratized. no more paying for commissions for a quick profile picture etc. As a bonus, you can still draw over it and perfect it however you want. So go ahead, make some money if that's all that matters to you. but that doesn't make you an artist that makes you an artisan.
@@anarchyorslavery1616 i feel like your comment is unnecessary
@@meraki664 OP's comment is unnecessary
@@anarchyorslavery1616This isn't the hot take you think it is.
@@anarchyorslavery1616You're the entire circus
Fresh tea?? FROM TWITTER?!?! Heck YEAAA
it's sad how when posting genuine art another person will question if it was AI or not.. this happened few times now and it's really upsetting
It’s even worse when people post AI and people think it’s genuine. Imo if people think your work is AI it probably is.
@@reginaldforthright805 No. Many 3D artists that make stylized work are being mistaken and hurt by those who try to steal those styles into AI machines to replicate them. Some people also think that all 3D is AI because they have no knowledge of its scope or how it can look like. Your generalization makes no sense whatsoever. AI can be identified by many factors easily.
It's unavoidable, since most of it out there will be.
@@Haido3Dfacts
Overall summary:
- Tracing art (preferably art from real artist that you look up to) can be a great way to learn and take inspiration AS LONG as you don’t use it to make money and claim it as your own.
- If you are going to try to use tracing to learn and grow as an artist, taking inspiration from real artist whose style you like rather than chewed up AI art may be a better approach.
- In the end of the day, AI art, as Sam said, is simply art stolen from various artist that’s been granulated just to be mushed together, having no distinct style let alone proportions.
- Referencing real artists can help you also develop a distinct style in your art, as they have unique styles and shape languages that you can take note of. AI art has no real style as it’s just many styles of artists taped together to create a (most likely) disproportionate piece of “art”.
- Again, no hate. Don’t accuse people of tracing with no solid evidence.
I have to call out the last two points of your summary.
Tracing real artists means you're taking their style, and if it doesn't, then trading AI would be the same and a new style is developed in either case.
Sam didn't say to not accuse people without evidence, and he even said/implied you can spot frauds because they didn't record their art, or only part of it, which is massively disingenuous, or just very out of touch with the average person.
@@itsyaboidaniel2919I think it comes down to whether you copy the style completely, pixel to pixel or just take certain details and incorporate them into your art
And not accusing people with no evidence is still just a good thing to practice lol
@@itsyaboidaniel2919 You have a point, but when you’re tracing artist you should not steal their art style completely and simply study their art to take inspiration as permafrost1 said.
Secondly, recording only parts of their art, to me, counts as evidence. When I said no evidence I meant simply accusing them of AI traced art just Becuase “it looks like it”.
Ai reference is not wrong stop attacking ppl for using ai as an reference
@@Permafrost1 Right, but the same applies to both real art and AI art. It's how the person does it, not the source.
Correct, not accusing people without evidence is good practice, but this video didn't say that.
If someona call my art a "ai traced image" il gonna download obs or whatever and record the process of me drawing them pregnant
Now thats what im talking about
Your art is an AI traced image
LMFAOOOOO (ngl as you should)
@@treymoment hey now buddy
@@genericname2747 I'm a freak fr
HIS HAIRCUT IS IMPROVING WOW! SAM, YOU'RE NOT A PINEAPPLE ANYMORE! SO HANDSOME
After seeing “hide reference layer” in a tiktok & people importing ai to canvas makes me wanna just go back to pencil & paint 😂
Twitter tea is my favorite kind for when I’m sick 😋
Yeah, Twitter tea is also my favorite kind for when I want to get sick.
HA 🤣
@@lonestarr1490 HAHA
I saw a video earlier that explained these points more in detail. It's true that a beginner artists (or even professional ones) can make all of these mistakes, but its the combination all of them in their art works that makes it a bit sus. When it comes to AI, it's better to ask the question "Why would anyone draw it this way?" rather than just asking "Why did they draw this?", since the current AI does some mistakes that don't really make any sense from the human perspective.
I hate all of these. All of this "proof" can be applied to basically any mid-level artist. The idea that everything has to be either perfect or bad, otherwise it's ai or was traced from ai, is absolutely absurd. Spreading this is only making it harder for real artists to get better. As it is, there's more incentive to be bad than to be good. The idea that people have to record and if they don't have recordings they're lying is also absurd. A lot of people don't record for various reasons. Like not having a good enough computer to record and draw, using a program like PS that doesn't automatically record, not having the disk space to hold the recordings, not knowing how to make a time-lapse. All of this paranoia is only further hurting the art community. I am a mid-level artist and constantly deal with people accusing me of using ai. I don't like to record time-lapse because I don't have a lot of disk space, don't always have the time to make them, and having to perform gives me a lot of anxiety. It makes the process really unfun. So now we have a process that isn't fun anymore and posting isn't fun and only gets me attacked. Why should I continue making art? Especially when taking into consideration all of the other problems that come with competing against ai. It's a lot easier to not make anything and let ai just take over. It certainly saves me a lot of stress and anxiety.
So please just admit that there's no way to tell. It's an unfortunate reality, but being paranoid and attacking or accusing people is only going to help ai take over and discourage people from making art.
I disagree. The “art” being shown has a lot of skill discrepancies between basic things like sketch lines to shading techniques to anatomy posing. Someone who hasn’t built the hand-eye coordination to make a steady-ish line yet most definitely can’t make an anatomically correct pose. How could anyone? If you don’t know the shape you’re drawing well enough to make a solid, confident line, then you couldn’t possible have been able to make an accurate pose. Making good lines is one of the first steps an artist has to take in learning, anatomy is a second step. You need to be able to draw a line first. I can understand other things like background techniques being shaky, as a lot of artists (myself included) tend to ignore practicing those because it’s not as fun as drawing the subject. Providing speed paints of your digital art shouldn’t be a hard thing to ask, though. Even free apps that a lot of people use, like Ibis Paint, have that feature for free. Another big thing you missed is that it’s suspicious self proclaimed artists that get this request most frequently, and much of the time it’s for a good reason. Asking for honesty in a landscape ever-filling with fakes isn’t wrong.
Let’s make this clear; *no one expects artists to be perfect.* You made the assumption that this is at the root of this discussion. It’s not. The issue here that does decry traced art (AI or not) is the inconsistencies in skill levels. _No one said it’s a bad thing to be a beginner artist._ What is being said is that if you’re gonna trace, be upfront about it (and don’t trace AI, it won’t teach you anything).
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro This is completely absurd. Someone can very easily make a solid line without understanding anatomy. Especially using this crazy new technique called "inking". I stopped reading after that. You're clearly more interested in feeding your own paranoia and attacking artists than anything.
There are ways to tell. Many people just don't know them, or think they can tell when they can't.
At some points you have to be a high enough level of an artist to tell.
The differentiation between Ai and human made things is the process of which it is made.
If you're a high enough level artist in your style, you know the processes in which drawings in that style are drawn
Therefore you would be able to tell whether something is AI, or used AI in the process.
You only think there is no way to tell because you don't have the skill.
Also, you really shouldn't be stressing yourself out over accusations of you using AI. As long as you're not, what's the problem? A few silly twats think you used it? Don't give power to them.
Also, why are you considering quitting drawing before considering a break from posting on social media? Since you're so worried about getting criticism, I'm wondering why you even post?
Why not wait until you're at a higher level to post since you're so insecure?
Sometimes, a little patience is all you need. There are a lot of artists who start posting before they're actually ready for it.
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro Problems arise when the people who acuse other of AI do it out of jealousy and won't ever listen to any proof whatsoever from the artist, really. It's not that hard to differentiate if you know what you're looking at but there are some people who literally only look for problems 😐 To be honest I think the original comment's best solution to this is to rest their mind and develop their skill and confident outside of internet, because no matter how good you are you'll be accuse of using AI anyway
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBroyou completely forgot about OP when you're writing that reply...
AI is AWFUL to study from - you end up sucking in six fingers, wonky eyes, creepy glitches and eye-burning colors. Urgh.
If you are gonna learn to draw people with 6 fingers from ai, I think you have bigger problems to worry about....
or just use a good model
Them: “Bro who eats tea straight out of a packet like that”
Me: S-Sam….😊
that's why I come back and love traditional art again. No one will be able to steal it, or doubt its identity. I feel safe painting with watercolor, even though it doesn't have many cool options like in procreate. But traditional art also has its good sides and maybe at least it will be able to save itself from AI....
great idea
Actually.......
Not really, traditional art is also being fed to AI.
I have some bad news for you, there are machines that use AI programming to create physical traditional art now. I think the most important thing is to just do what makes you happy, and just keep some receipts of your process, whether that be recording you painting, sketches, or recording a digital speed paint. There is a certain human touch in the creative process (from rough draft to finished) I don't believe AI will ever be able to replicate, as it changes from person to person. If people still question you after that, they probably weren't there to support in the first place.
Tbh I legit am constantly terrified of being called out for ai stuff and tracing and all that. (I have no reason to because I don't use any of that nor are my followers aggressive 💀💀) yet literally everytime I post anything that's like a study or used some sort of reference material I'm like "YALL I DID USE A REFERENCE ITS RIGHT HERE HERES EVERY SINGLE THING THAT INSPIRED THIS PIECE I WAS INSPIRED BY THIS ARTIST HERES ALL THEIR SOCIALS LITERALLY EVERYTHING GO FOLLOW THEM" cuz like I aint boutta have people thinking I'm stealing 😭
I am an artist who is still learning, but recently i started posting on Instagram and tik tok. A person later tagged me in a video saying that I was using AI in my drawings to scam people (even though i DON'T do commissions), I talked to the person and they told me that on discord there was someone scamming young people telling them that they were me and taking advantage that i don't have that many followers and that I dont draw that well so they can confuse them and use AI 😞 it wasn't a big problem bc i managed to resolve quickly but it was... Idk, i don't feel really good posting now
we're the same, I'm so charged that I don't want to post anything
I feel you, before 2020 everything was better.
@@cherryrosiessiento que el 2020 fue el inicio del colapso en...TODO
When will we artists get the justice we deserve??? Might aswell convert back to the Renaissance
There will never be justice in our sector here, or anything else where AI has made a touch
Hate to break it to you, being an artist is not gonna cut out in this day and age
huh?
I just don’t post anything. I don’t really care about people seeing my sculptures or paintings. I create art because I love creating things.
Anyone mad about tracing better not look at the tattoo industry too much. Some can’t even draw.
this vid turned from "how to identify ai traced art"
to "don't scam people, guys"
anyhow,
wise words from a wise artist
😌
I’m a nursing student with a love art when you said (put me to sleep right here) and tapped your chin I was so happy because that’s the area the can make you pass out
...this generative AI stuff keeps improving each year quite literally progressing each time to the point even some artists are getting fooled i mean look at what happened to Pinterest or hell even google images and some Twitter outcalls (most being wrong so artists infighting among each other) in the art space. Please do what you can to help deter those Ai scammers and phonies. Don't send hate just defend yourself from scammers.
I was accused of using AI and tracing A lot.......
last time it was in an art trade, i drew their oc and they started yapping lol, they went on to report me and stole my character design too, which was very personal to me, tf dude😭
I almost got banned from a discord server too ( its not an tragedy, just saying)
but I had enough proof that I was a real artist... and in the end the only one who got banned was them,, i reported and blocked them everywhere i could find them so they wont come back again... (maybe im a little bit too paranoid)
I often see (on social platforms, esp tiktok) how people with a more of an “anime” style are accused of using AI, I myself draw in this kinda style, but due to the fact that I no longer want to face such situations like i did before, I started an account on TikTok where I publish my processes drawing... I've become so paranoid about posting my art online, man, this just svcks
I also met the person who is being talked about in this video, Sunvi or whatever their user is... in the same discord server, offering Art trades. I saw their "art" and imidiately knew what was going on, because I'm somewhat experienced and all that
sad part, a lot of people fell for their offer, I wonder if all those people were upset afterwards, cuz I'd be so mad
My English isn't very good I hope it's readable 💀
0:15 SAM STOP EATING OR WANTING TO EAT RANDOM THINGS ITS NOT GOOD FOR U TEA IS FOR DRINKING NOT EATING😭
I think one of the biggest problem is most of consumers do not care, it looks good, then it's good. It may hurt people's feeling but it is what it is. (And I don't care any of those, I just want to git gud at art :D
a lot of good points here, and a good way to dissect that thread. definitely agree a lot of those points aren't 100% surefire ways. their heart is in the right place, but they need to probably look at the issue again.
i will say, one thing that personally makes me sad is people feel as if they're starting to be forced to keep recordings on hand or have to reveal their processes just to defend themselves. nobody should have to share those vids if they don't want to, and i've already seen some people heckle an artist into sharing their process vid (got accused of being an AI piece) with the intent of ripping that vid for their own use, not because they wanted the proof. it was really gross and i felt awful for them. the defense part of this is such a fine line and can go sour so easily.
1:15 that was personal...
2:00 i also use the round default brush 😞
3:55 how is it hate when i love doing it 😔
5:25 don't trace art kids. You're better at what you do. So follow the process 😁
First part of the video - sane person finally! The advices how to spot AI art or AI traced art sometimes so insane. I like default round brush and also like eye picking colors instead of blending modes cause that's how you can add more variety and vibrance to picture. Also it's much faster to do in one layer if the picture intended to be simple.
This witch hunting is getting out of hand.
I never really got the hang of digital art, but recently I’ve been doing a lot of paper drawings. You’ve been a pretty big inspiration none the less!
Thank you, thank you for your tutorials, your feedback on what’s the right way to approach my art journey, and thank you for making my cause of your crazy jokes, it helps me a person whose been doing art since five and now is thirteen with art struggles so thx ☺️
I also trace but only when doing digital art since i can't get used to it, its too smooth for my liking and highlights my mistakes (i'm a perfectionist). But i never post or say its my piece. I'm learning to colour so my own drawing aren't the best example. I do traditional art tho soo.
“chewed up, digested, and vomited” is the best description for ai art I’ve ever heard
I think I have become too nihilistic to feel any emotion about all these dramas...
I feel sad at times but then who can be happy in this crazy capitalistic world, I'd rather they destroy this system with their own hands
very well said. AI art has no intention or spirit. it’s better to trace from artists who speak to you for some reason. just credit. not to toot my own horn, but i’m a very good artist-and in my youth, it came from tracing and referencing. AI is like nina the dog daughter from FMA; an unholy chimera. your own art from study of many artists is a chimera as well, but has identity and doesn’t lack soul. each artist you study has a personal connection. i think of kishimoto when i draw collar bones, oda when i hatch shade, etc. understanding your pieces and having respect for what you’ve “borrowed” makes a consistent product that’s a shrine to what you love about art.
Bruh ai be really securing every career option i have😂
time to be a cyborg, just join them 😅
@@midoriyaizuku9620 As expected from a person with that user name.
I think people should be open to do whatever they need to learn. I have no issues if someone used ai to do smth beign or study. I don't agree with making money solely off it as you didn't make it. But if you want to use elements of it to learn, or helping to get motivated to complete a project (esp personal) go off. Idk sometimes the hate is annoying, the people scamming too are annoying tho. Its tiring how extreme people seem to get on both sides.
The intro though 💀
Thank you for your service, Sam 🙇🏻 You saved me and my spouse so much time and energy in digesting art news/discourse coming from the dumpster fires (social media)!
Just be good in traditional art. Let that you can be able to draw anywhere anytime....im so far back in drawing digitally but im confident that I can make a good piece anywhere anytime with just enough materials traditionally. And I've stepped back abit due to personal issues so my art is not as solid but im still confident there.
Fun fact: the procreate private image helps extremely for people like for example someone that has naked models on the canvas or images of themselves as a reference. Sadly it has become very visible because of people that trace and lie about it
I just get too excited whenever sam uploads a new video. I feel like he has become my favourite youtuber❤😊
Why the term traced and not stolen? I've seen many videos of people complaining about other creators stealing their art and they call it "traced"... why not "stolen"?
AI is killing Sam faster than the *roasting your art* series
Literally feel called out about thin lineart . Now I'm wondering if my line art is gunna be thought of as too thin or that my changes in art style is gunna be judged . I'm still finding my own style and it's not consistent yet as I'm still learning and evolving
you know its serious when Sam doesnt get scared of us at the start
6:28 yeah here’s the other issue. i personally do use private layers for references and my own photos i’m tracing over for a cleaner timelapse and sometimes for privacy. so for me this feature is rlly useful. it sucks that people are using it maliciously and they have been for a while
0:01 this time he didn't reacted to us but the tweets... Makes sense y his reaction is more dissapointed than ever
i think it's okay to use AI for IDEAS. in the end, real artists (and real images) are better for reference and tracing to learn. like i was struggling to inagine a cyberpunk scene recently, and so i generated a bunch with the angles and settings i had in mind, and used those to create something on my own from there.
"oh good heavens help me" oh no he's turning into a grandpa
The amount of this people say that they are artist but actually using bot to draw for them and post the drawing and said it there art...even sometimes ther is a evidence that the drawing isn't drawinging...
people if you want to be a artist don't run from your responsibility or you don't want to get haunted instead...>:D🌸✨
ai art is art but the person who type the prompt is a creative typer also i would always ask ai bros for their prompts but they always either ignore me or give me a very basic generic word for their prompts xD
Why is Sam so energetic?
default round brush is really all you need. but nothing wrong with wanting more brush variety! as far as tracing, i can honestly say, i never learned anything from tracing other peoples art. I only learned from drafting by eye.
If someone is artist like me, i think we can tell if it's AI or not, because there is such a strange "blur" in the image, it's so wierd and i don't know how to explain and it's so characteristic for AI and doesn't matter if it's photo or painting.
I feel like AI art has this uncanny effect. I can’t always explain it either. A year ago, it would be when the eyes were all jumbled kind of like stained glass, or the hands were melded and patterns didn’t connect. But now, as AI improves itself, it’s hard to say exactly what it is but you can still just tell it was generated by a computer in some cases. Other times I feel like an idiot because it looks so realistic and I have to check the persons profile.
Exactly, when every part of the image has that airbrushed over rendered look you just know it’s ai generated, a machine cannot replicate the concept of leading the viewer’s eye through the image, and doesn’t understand visual weight. Even the first point made about weird line inconsistencies is true, the skill gaps between the linework and render are just too big to be believable, i mean a real artist with that level of skill in rendering and detail would surely not be making beginner mistakes like that yk?
@@vinny985I don't know, most professional artists I know have weak points. I myself have always been great at form and composition, but my colour work isn't great.
really depends on the model though a lot of them nowadays can pass as an artist who doesn't care about getting everything 100% right
About tracing to learn, as someone who has "traced" for that purpose before - don't just trace it. Try to see how you'd sketch it, break down the shapes. UNDERSTAND where the original artist was coming from.
Unless you're trying to learn lineart, which, I'll be fair, never worked well for me with that process.
When I was 12 and learning anatomy, I'd print images of anatomy I liked at 8% opacity and sketch all over them to see my personal "skeleton" method~
Sir, why don't you evaluate the small and newly emerging drawing channels on TH-cam and give ratings and advice to beginners in them?
Twitter is an exhausting experience. I appreciate everyday I don't spend on there. I enjoyed the video!
"I'm glad AI art exists because I don't have time to make artwork from my 90 hour job where I work 14 hours a day then I come home to sleep get up and go back to work I really wish I can make artwork by inserting coins into a slot machine praise capitalism and society which I really think could be improve some more" - some AI bro from reddit probably
Okay but what if i don't know how to record timelapses or my pc doesnt have space to save HOURS of drawing? im not a professional artist but what if i make a masterpiece accidentally and dont have proof?
It’s so sad to see that us artists who work hard are getting replaced by a machine…I honestly don’t want to do art anymore because of a stupid robot 😭
Hey don’t let that discourage you from doing art. I’ve felt that way during a period of time, but I’ve been feeling more motivated than ever. Personally I do art as a hobby, so I can’t exactly speak for those who want to make it a career, but I enjoy the process. I like learning how to draw, and be able to create something I can actually call my own through my own skills. Also don’t let social media numbers influence your motivation to do art. There will always be people who support real artists.
Do it more and use it to insult people that need a computer program to think for them
@@AZ-zz4knthank you bro that motivated me a lot! I hope that us artists can get more likes and views than a silly robot making a humans had look like they are half bug half human 😭❤️🙏
@@giant0mantisthank you bro I will! I can’t believe that “artist” or if I should even call them that are using AI and they get more attention than artists who actually put heart into their art ❤
@@giant0mantis lmao typical artist insulting people for no reason
I personally think that at the beginning, AI was a great TOOL for artists, not a replacement like some people are trying to do, but a TOOL.
I think that AI can be useful to try and figure out a general pose that you can't find a reference for. Like, something very precise that you tried to search, and possibly don't have the body-type for.
But sadly, people these days just think about making money easily and with only 1 click.
To think these kind of people also submit their AI art to competitions and sometimes WIN is disgusting.
I believe that AI, in any domain, music juste like art should be a HELPING TOOL, not a stealing tool used to replace artists of every kind because those people are too lazy to learn to take a pen and start drawing themselves.
Also, I agree that you can use tracing a learning method as long as you don't post it and claim it as yours, just as a study...
I have some drawing from when I started to learn to use my graphic tablet, and I was tracing over different references from anime to animals, objects, etc... Because I wanted to learn how to use the tablet and the "correct" technique, but I didn't post them (tbh, I'd only post drawing I'm proud of and not old drawings cuz I'm kinda insecure about my old drawings :') )
I've been digital sculpting for a few years. When I started I thought it would be easier copy a single character... I spent nearly a year doing that over and over. Got no where, but once I started using references from tons of various characters, it then only took me like a week to actually make something I was actually proud of.
It's like your subconscious understanding the guidelines so you can make the logical decisions, rather than copy something aimlessly. I think that's literally just called "Learning" lol, but learning is actually the easiest way to be successful believe it or not. Ai will never be a shortcut to talent
i saw this happening over the last few days as it unfolded, the emotional whiplash as more got revealed or discovered was interesting. Nice to see a video on it and bringing this to light
Me a traditional artist feeling threatened
Ive just gotten into drawing while my gf has been drawing and painting basically her whole life. She said i picked up pretty quick with the pauses i take due to my ADHD. Now AI has me terrified people will think my practice streams and videos are fake. My lines are always inconsistent because I'm still learning my style. Its disheartening to be honest.
3:20 SamDoesMartialArts
I don't know what timeline we're in that has AI replacing art related jobs before literally anything else but here we are
0:01 My guy looks majestic✨✨✨✨✨
5:34 these words are so important and reassuring for me I learned a lot about digital thanks to your work I love everything about what you do I have a lot of fun drawing my characters with your style on my Instagram posts it doesn't There are only 3 or 4 people who see them but you are always credited there as well as in my bio! People think that originality makes you a real artist but I think you shouldn't put pressure on yourself with that, if you like a style, practice it and reproduce it to make your own drawings ! We need to enjoy it's not a competition after all. ♥
Sam I'm not sure if I should fear for your mental state or be glad you have so much energy these days..?
fear💔
So- I traded an art from someone and she was super kind that she is willing to give me two extra arts- she gave me the art I wanted. It’s very good, yes. But, something seems off, her finger doesn’t look right but she also asked me if I wanted to see the sketch. Other than those mistake, hair, eyes and everything is good and the art is a good quality. She also sent me a transparent background. Could she be tracing?
Okay I have a genuine question-
What if I have an art idea, but need help with conceptualization due to lack of motivation? For example, sometimes I generate AI prompts just to get inspiration of what I want my final piece to look like, as well as what style I want to use. I then use that as a really loose reference.
Is that wrong??
Not at all. You can definitely use AI as a tool to get conceptual ideas, as sometimes it provides some really interesting work.
The problem begins when this prompt is "yours", and you claim the "artist" title for that.
But yeah, it's great for ideas, not tracing/copying
If you want to avoid Ai all together learning to do thumbnails can also be a great way to achieve conceptualization
@@Min-gy8zu just like how you relied on Ai to find this channel
My backgrounds are always muddy because I’m running from my responsibilities 😢
I gotta argue against the no sketching phase recording. I don't show myself doing the sketch phase bc its the part I hate doing the most and I'm not going to bore people with the parts that takes me the longest to do. Also, I know plenty of artists who never sketch and get straight into lining a piece. So not a good argument there
"you think i'm stupid huh?", *silence "you might be right"
😂😂 GG, a classic
People's reasoning is so out of wack 😭 the fact that we have to have these moral conversations about AI is out of wack 😭😭
right now I cant do process videos but I do try to remember to take pictures of my sketches and line art. I'm mostly a traditional artist.. and honestly I dont take commissions anymore regardless. my drive to create for others is pretty much dead bc of all the ai crap and distrust going around. my chromebook cant use PTS so im stuck with sumo which kinda sucks. since im not making money I cant justify paying for compatible program right now either.
Someone saw my art and thought it was made by AI. At this point, I will take it as a compliment and move on.
yea, good, that's exactly how you should interpret that.
kinda like "someone watched me play chess and accused me of using an AI"
@@Min-gy8zu you're absolutely right.
@@Min-gy8zuno. Why should people have to continuously ‘prove’ themselves to some stranger?
if you decide to trace ai as a new artist (say you can't find anything that's exactly what you're looking for after an hour of searching) the best thing to do is to have that and a real reference picture for lightning/anatomy of someone in a similar pose (or yourself). this allows you to double check everything actually looks correct. in gaining any knowledge from ai images in general, i believe it excels in framing/positioning and seems to always guide you to where you're supposed to look. as someone who is working on that, i like to upload a rough sketch and see how it rearranges the things in it and i believe that ive gotten better from doing so.
Honestly if I’m out of ideas I’ll take an ai image I already found and draw it. For instance, there’s an ai image of a girl in a cool outfit holding a gun, I’m never gonna trace an ai image, but it’s a good prompt. What I mean is I’ll take the inspiration or idea and draw it by my lonesome. I won’t trace ai, but they can sometimes be good Inspiration, since ai can make literally anything, sometimes it can go beyond my imagination. Don’t be scared to trace though, just remember to disclose when you do! :)
btw this girl already started drawing on her own so please dont attack her she is still young, she learned her mistake، i follow her on twitter i dont support ai art, but i like it when people improve on their own
Finally some wholesome comment :D
Copyright law and the cult of celebrity will become a thing of the past thanks to AI.
I can't draw on a tablet I still have a physical sketchbook or 20 (I'm old school I then scan my lineart to comp and digitally color because I can't afford markers), regardless I still struggle with hands and feet that is a hit or miss with me after like 15+ years (off and on). my pfp I hid the hand like an armature XDDD
I am 100% self taught, I started learning by tracing back when I was like 12/13 from Disney books, then I went and learned to copy from old Marvel, DC and independent comic books and moved on to anime trying to find my own style. Learning takes a long time and I still haven't found a style, my pfp is the closest thing to my anime style but haven't found a comicbook style yet.
Generative AI should straight up not exist anymore. If I could erase it from existence I would do it without thinking twice
It's here to stay, regardless of what you think about it.
@@BaronBacon I know I can't do shit but I think I speak for the majority of artists we'd rather it weren't here to stay.
You don't sound like an artist.
GenAI is not just about creating pretty images. That is just a tiny part of it that is simply more visible. There are a lot of good industrial uses for it that save lives and make things cheaper and more affordable for the general public.
Knife is not a problem, the person using it is.
@@tsakeboya it's just a matter of fact, we're all being replaced, every single one of us regardless of occupation. it sucks, it really sucks. but it's happening.
@@k_otey there's no reason we should just succumb to corporate greed