What do you guys think of people working on Ai speedpaint generators? TIMESTAMPS BELOW ⬇️: 00:00 Intro 00:59 AI speedpaints? Introducing PaintUndo 01:49 What kind of speedpaints can PaintUndo make? 04:04 Tech demo 06:02 My thoughts 09:28 Implications for artists 10:12 Your thoughts? 10:26 Outro
About the speedpaint thing...I think what you say is a very accurate summary of what it's for and how it's really just a scamming device, but I do have something to add on. Although posting these things is just a scam, people could be using the speedpaints to learn how to draw, how to use sketches, layers, effects, etc. So yeah
@@yizhenliu-qi8uuThe thing is why would you use an ai speedpaint to learn how to draw? 🤔 It's not a real speedpaint process and there's hundreds of free tutorials online made by actual artists which would definitely be a lot more useful to learn from The only use for helping learn that I can see is the model can take images and then produce a sketch version, and a line art version etc, which you could use to copy for a study I suppose
@@backupforthevideos3861 that so true and they say it's '' help artist to understand how ia do and learn ''' they want so hard to being call artist but you're not 🙄
Totally possible. Not long ago a "speedrunner" who had faked all his records appeared on a live event without preparation and you can guess how well it went. The commentators knew what was going on and made him sit through it and try keeping up the facade until he had finished the game an hour later than planned.
trust me, none of the "bros" who defend AI art with their very life are actually the one making said AIs as for why people would train AI to fake speedpainting; Idk, science for science's sake perhaps
Ikr like what use do artists have for a fake speedpaint, if you were actually using AI as a tool to help make art then you'd be able to record the process yourself lmao
Proving the authenticity of your picture was never the purpose behind speedpaints. The purpose was always to provide people with additional content. So pretending that the goal of this tool is to hide something, is disingenuous. Relying on any kind of verification method, including speedpaints, was never going to last. What's needed is regulations, and actually applying them in practice, to prevent people from mislabelling AI art as human-made. EU already took steps in this direction.
@@Spellweaver5although it may have been popularised due to the TH-cam adpocalypse, the reason most people watch speedpaints is because of its authenticity. People like seeing someone's process into making a piece of art. Less people would watch if they knew the speedpaint was fake. AI artists can do the same by recording their prompting process. And when photographers want some extra content, they record themselves photographing, not fake painting their photograph
@@Lucien_M they watch them because of their authenticity, but not to prove that a piece of art is real, with very few exceptions. Those are different things.
The fact that people feel the need to pretend the ai images they generated were drawn by hand just proves that the technology isn’t as cool or useful as they say it is.
nope, you all are taking it wrong, the project is not to fake process but to understand how ai does on images, it only does anime well because there are more anime artists posting speedpaints.... it is still very imperfect and idk how actual artists are failing to notice it... (i am not talking about diffusion but paints undo its to understand consistency in diffusion models and improve further models based on that, which is still very far to reach)
ikr. public will not be impressed with AI generated image as they will be impressed with an artists' work. so they know they had to "prove" they "drew it themselves"
@@hmmmmmm_3429 This is not how AI generates images! AI-generated images using diffusion models begin with a completely noisy image, akin to random static. The model is trained through a forward diffusion process, where it learns how images degrade by progressively adding noise, and a reverse process, where it learns to denoise and reconstruct the original images from these noisy versions. During generation, the model starts with a random noise image and iteratively applies the learned denoising steps, gradually refining it until a meaningful image emerges. Ai does not create images as shown here through 'sketching' and then building up a painting. This model was trained using end result images and real artist speedpaints in order to create a fake speedpaint for any image you input
I saw someone on deviantart who's been defending AI, they make AI images, compared the selling of fanart to the creation of AI images, this person was trying to copyright their AI images or something, I can't remember the details. But that guy or girl deserves so much hate for their beliefs. I hate pro AI people. Edit: Ok well I don't think we should be spreading hate even if someone uses AI, but that doesn't mean they should be considering themselves as artists because they're not
Theres a whole subreddit of people defending AI and its just full of ppl shitting on artist Art, whining over being attacked, and then attacking another artist, calling artists fascist narcissistic literally any word they learn yesterday, etc. its a shithole 😭
It’s not that people WILL use AI to scam people when it comes to commissions, people already HAVE used AI to scam commissions. Now it’ll just be easier for them to fake to non-artists :[
I remember watching a Jazza video a while ago where he went on Fiverr and commissioned a bunch of artists (for a lot more than £5) and most of them gave him Ai art 😂
@@lolaholliday That is incredibly disheartening. I actually draw; where can I go to sell my actual work? This is so frustrating! It's devaluing art even more than it was. Maybe I'll just be an accountant and keep my art to myself.
I see two reasons for this: 1. Scamming 2. Being bitter about actual artists. Jealousy is real. Some people just can't do it (or rather don't want to put effort in learning) but want a piece of the cake, so they do this. GenAI is not a problem - it is a useful tool, especially in industry most people don't see (e.g. chemistry, manufacturing etc.) - it is people using the tool unethically.
this, this right here. GenAI & AI in general can be incredibly useful, but as with all new technology, there aren't many rules regarding its use and the ethical boundaries involved. the best we can do is to keep fighting for our creative work - a.k.a intellectual property - to be given the protections they rightfully deserve, across all facets of modern life.
GenAI is MUCH worse for the environment than nfts, One picture needs so much water it's egregious. Why did people call out NFTs for its negative environmental impact but not genAI? Even if it's worse by tenfold? Don't use it, idc what reason you have for it, it's not worth it.
There are various inconsistencies that can help identify this as AI. 1: the art style that the Timelapse starts with will almost always change. yes it’s simply anime, but there are many ways to draw in this style. Yet it follows towards a very generic pose and look. 2: the process is very non coherent and tedious. Why would you drastically change the art style every moment, why would you go from a painterly method to simple cell shading, and how could you make major changes on an almost perfectly rendered piece. You wouldn’t do these things because you’re not an AI We know that what we plan is either thumbnailed, or referenced heavily or perspectively to really have a plan for the most optimal art process. Which leads me to the third reason. 3: they only have Timelapse footage of the drawing. Not the program. AI doesn’t know what brushes, program setup, and color wheels look like. Nor how to fabricate footage of it without creating a Brocken and glitched display. I really hope these were some good points fellas and ladies.
What’s depressing is that ai programmers follow these ‘how to spot that it’s ai’ explanations as if they were advice on how to improve the programming, and within a year they’ll have ironed out all these flaws or found ways to hide them.
@Maren617, they might not have another year, tho 👀 I've read that investors are becoming more skeptical of AI because so far it has failed to generate any actual profits
This changing the artstyle thing is especially visible with Kaworu here 4:56. Or probably with any image that shows a specific character, he's just the only one I recognise. There just isn't a scenario where an artist would start with a sketch that has this different of an artstyle, then ends up with an image this close to the original show. Like, his hair starts out wavy for some reason. An artist would have a reference, and be more precise with the look of the image from the start.
I found several times on community group in one of social media platform. They were arguing because somebody used their " ai images" without permissions and they were really really pissed off, and I was thinking "well, how's that feel?"
I'm a very small vtuber, but I wanted to have an art contest for my character. Since there was a reward of money for my 3 favorite works, I explicitly required the artists to prove they made it by providing some work-in-progress evidence. Either a picture of the sketch, a timelape, or footage of them actually drawing it. This may sound like a lot of trouble, but it was to avoid AI "art." After all, first place got $100, second got $50, and third got $25. The contest went well, and I had a lot more submissions than I expected. None of the artists had an issue providing proof. Now, however, I don't know how I'll be able to host another art contest with this kind of generated garbage being available. It sucks, because AI is essentially making it harder for smaller or younger artists to have bigger opportunities like an art contest. I don't like it either, because I don't want any AI art of my character, but I love to see *REAL* art of my character. AI bros and tech companies are ruining the experience for everyone. They miss the point entirely. It's not just about making something that looks good. It's about the people and the community.
on the topic of "why would someone use this?" - I think a great parallel is people who cheat in video games, they don't play the game for the same reason as us - winning is the only goal.
That’s the best comparison i’ve seen. They don’t do art for the funnof doing art, they do it solely for the end product. From the little i’ve tried of ai art, it’s tedious, and nowhere near as fun as drawing it yourself.
@@shhinysilver1720 I'm an artist who doesn't enjoy the process itself as much ans does it solely for the end product, you could say. I'd have no interest in such a tool because why should I care about a product I didn't make myself?
@@Shiranovaohhhh gosh, let's be buddy lazies🙏 to be honest. Me too. When I am animating or drawing. It can be fun. But mostly is eustress mode. I just want the finished product. But it needs to be handmade, because I am prideful. It needs to be mine.
Back when i played games regularly i used to cheat all the time, but it was never for the purpose of solely winning the game, but rather as to study game mechanics, how a game engine works, how anti cheat detects cheating etc... That's how I got into the IT Industry in the first place. I'm not trying to prove a point btw, I'm just saying that among all the cheaters, there's a tiny fraction that had a genuine reason, unlike those who just want to win in a game. Yes, we exist ✌️
@@shhinysilver1720Completely agree. It’s very tedious to get anything close to what’s wanted, especially if it’s something more… unique. I use a bot to generate a lot for my impromptu dnd nights, where I’m looking for material 5 minutes before starting or while we’re playing. Out of everything involved in those nights it’s going back and forth to get the right reference images lol.
What we used to imagine: ‘AI will do all the boring, hard physical labor and give humans the free time to create art!’ Reality: AI creates “art” and the humans have to go do the hard, boring, physical labor. 😐
@@PastelPixie99Make a duplicate of the project and name it Layered V. Make the layers merge in the OG. You now have the best of both worlds at the cost of a little bit more space used in PC \o3o/
Doesn't help at all, sadly. AI can learn ANY* strategy we would use to check it. Just give an AI thousands of traditional art files including all those layers and steps, and it will learn to replicate it perfectly. The only reliable test will be drawing something live in front of others.
my number one worry is that all this stuff makes it more difficult for new artists to enter the field and grow in popularity 😭😭 in a future world where everyone doubts whether anyone has used ai, i can totally imagine genuinely skilled people coming out of nowhere accused of using ai, and that sounds terrible i really hope there becomes a reliable way to verify and tell what is human made
Even old artists aren't successful, you're either lucky and privileged or you learn to give up like everyone else (That's why I'm writing a book for an animated series lmao) But it's still gonna be hard as shit cause nobody has ever once supported me as an artist in my 29 years of life. Like I understand that art theft is bad, obviously, but only a small handful of artists can afford to show themselves off and get ahead, and even then, not always. Just about who gets luckier. For the amount of concern people have about AI art, they never once showed that amount of support for real art. Pretty sure people just need reasons to be mad tbh. I know I have plenty 😂 The biggest one for me is that people act like they care about artists. Biggest joke I've heard since my birth 🥴 Commission me then,and replace my tablet,. You won't. And I can't afford a video camera to earn it either 😅 But oh yeah, right, oh noooo AI art that's easy to tell if you're paying attention and near impossible to commission oh noooo
@@mrtiredeyes No offense intended, I think you've got the wrong mentality. Having looked through your instagram, your art skills need a lot more improvement before you could ever hope to get reliable commission opportunities. Not saying it's impossible, you just aren't the right level yet. You need a lot more anatomy practice and probably also perspective drawing practice. Your coloring skills are very good though. I don't know what you do for work, but save, save, save. Even if it's just $5-10 here and there. Consistent effort and repeatable small steps can get you better results. I know the economy is horrible right now, but don't let that stop you. Don't let anything ever stop you.
I abandoned digital art for this reason. The media is cursed. From the start, it was meant to be like this. They can take my job, but they will never take my joy.
im with you here but doesn’t abandoning digital art because of ai take away something from you? Please dont abandon what you love because of shitty people.
I dont understand this continuous need to make and develop AI to ruin legitimate artists online. Instead, they should develop AI to be used in something else, like a tool to help solve more serious issues in the world... not to make art videos and images and put creative people out of work....
There are better AI applications already being used in science for more accurate processing of large quantities of data that humans can't process. The problem is that those aren't meant for consumers, and investors want profits :p
I know, why do people not make ai that helps with much larger issues in the world, it’s annoying that people just want the money and make things that takes people jobs like art and music. And what’s more annoying is that ai music doesn’t take from everything like ai art, I wish ai art programs asked for your permission to use your art instead of just stealing it.
i see ai everywhere now, i saw an ai logo on the side of someone’s car along with an ai portrait of hello kitty being sold at a mall kiosk a while ago. even worse, i was at a game shop 2 months ago and there was ai EVERYWHERE. on portrait on the walls, on tumblers, literally everywhere. and it made me so horrified
That's what I've been saying. The ruling class wants us all stuck at walmart and fast food, they don't like people having other options to become independant. It's similar to the wars being waged on farmers since they don't want people independantly growing our own food either.
Basically it's for people who are lazy and don't want to do any work so they lie and say they made the art and when they get caught they say " but its so hard to write like 3 words you just dont get it " and still call themselves artists even though they probably have never tried to draw 😂😂
It’s kind of jealousy like u can even draw and someone even dare to claim the art as theirs like people r not using the au tool nicely, they scams and stuff like there should be a rule of using the au tool. I hope in the very future people have rules to use it like this is crazyy
I'd like to say AI is for completely different types of people (talking first hand), but unfortunately we can't have nice things. Especially when things get into everyone's hands...
@@Olat67 Generating good AI images actually takes hours and sometimes even days to perfect the perfect prompt how many cycles of shitty images will you go through until you get what you want? and dont even get me started on what you decide to train it on which can take hours. Hate it all you want but iv played around with it enough to know its not that simple and at the end of the day its just a tool artist should be using for themselves to help improve workflow instead of bashing it.
For me, there is an easy solution. I'll just put Clip Studio Paint's built in watermark on my timelapses. If the AI copy that, CELSYS as the owner of CSP have the right to sue for impersonation. Technically, I want to seriously ask why the AI sketches something crazy different from the end result? If I'm drawing Tohsaka Rin, I wouldn't sketch schoolgirl Asuka Langley on the base layer. If I'm sketching an angry Eren, I wouldn't draw Hodaka or Taki as sketch from Tenki no Ko and Kimi no Na Wa. If I were to draw Roses, I won't sketch a Tulip first. If I were to draw Fubuki, I wouldn't change the layer mask midway. I'd separate the character fro. The background before I practice hair details.
Nice on the watermark thing!!! Ibis Paint has that too if you have its free version. Been hiding their watermark using overlays, but now it's time to just reveal them for authenticity's sake!
Remember Photoshop adding Generative Fill a few years ago without the Ai marketing? Yeah, you can just remove the watermark. But it will be harder! Keep at it. Dont let your stuff get stolen for profit.
But these are things that a random person on the street does not know, and that is the danger therein. People CAN and WILL be fooled by this practice, scamming them out of money.
It used to be ok when you could usually tell if something’s AI, although here 0:31 you can see paint appearing but the brush isn’t painting it, it just appears, but I’m kinda scared bc AI is making rlly convincing stuff now
@@urubudopix976The problem for a lot of people though is a lot of people don’t care and just want something pretty to look at. People don’t necessarily need or want well thought out quality or art, they want a temporary high of excitement or nostalgia.
AI art doesn't appear to be slowing down anytime soon, which is why I'm in the process of converting back to traditional art. I feel that people with a talent for sketching with pencils and ink or painting in all it's various mediums will become far more valuable in the years to come.
The game industry looks safe for a while too. AI will probably be used for background props, but It's not helpful with much else at the moment. I can't see anyone wanting to play games with AI running filters either, because you just feel like you're tripping balls.
I still think most of the people who use ai art are either gonna go down one of two routes, a) give up when they realize artists aren’t rich and ai won’t make them are rich artist, or b) learn how to actually draw when the find realize learning to make art for yourself is more fulfilling (I’ve seen that start happening thankfully). A lot of people who are raving about it are tech bros who hop on every tech trend they think is gonna make them a millionaire like NFTs, can’t wait for the reality to hit them that the whole point of ai is to avoid paying people, therefore no one will be paying them for their “work”.
HAHAHA imagine that thought process: I want to be rich...lets be an ARTIST. I hope it works out for one of them, so they can make minimum wage, faking an ability they have no passion in. (Altough imagine the client interaction, when they want one minor change, and get a whole different image.)
I've seen people making ai content farms to try to make a quick buck but most of it is just ai generated images with a robotic voice in the background reading off of a top ten list or some shit they stole off reddit and I wonder how they expect to make money if the majority of people will likely click off it once they realize there's zero substance and the fact it's so oversaturated. It's like trying to make a quick buck with a gaming or blogging channel where 99% of creators aren't making any real money.
@@Marlena499 Can we also talk about AI meme pages too? Ive seen a few attempt to sell 'merchandise' aka mugs and tees and hoodies with their AI gen images on them.
Unfortunately they already making easy money. They filled marketplaces with their ai generated images for use in other products of things like App icons, Stickers, Brush stamps etc - the things that other people usually bought as convenient consumables. They also make those AI generated 'art' teach books which unless you are able to look inside and know a thing or two will look convincing enough to buy. Not many online book stores allow to view the contents of the books now and people always prefer cheaper things for the goal they want. NFTs were restricted to platforms they were sold onto and those platforms were new, separated from popular one. But AI generated images crawled their places into regular Amazons, Etsy and your local online bookshop too. It's a plague.
the fact that when I look a piece I have to question if it’s a fake that is being used to scam me or some genuinely talented artist who spent thousands of hours working hard on what they love makes me so upset. And to imagine that now if you happen to be really talented and you want to share your creations to the world, instead of people being amazed and inspired you will now have lots of people saying your thousands of hours are fake, or the other way around where people are posting fakes for clout and money they didn’t work for. This only helps those scammers and hurts those who have actual passion in their art.
I use AI image detectors and always, always look for a watermark. So many times i’ve been worried that a wonderful piece i found via pinterest or something is AI, only to be relieved when i see a legitimate watermark. Always watermark people!!! And don’t just do an unintelligible scribble, like, if i come across your work reposted i want to be able to search the name and find the original artist so i can see more!!
their goal might be just to F-up artists, because artists are the ones who complained the most about image generator. May be they're just being jerks, cant see any other reason to create such a generator.
not really, the project goal is to understand how ai precieves art, there are still many stuff in that speed paint ai that can be detected, idk how actual artists are failing to detect the too obvious noise in any ai images, am too researching art and trying to improve my ai gens but i never get close to perfection with ai....
@@hmmmmmm_3429 that's a pretty weak and weird argument and also trying to stupefy artists with the dumbest shit. "iDk HoW aRtISt aRE fAiLiNg..." come one dude, idk how idiots don't see the issue here.
@@0nepotential so if you zoom into an ai generated image you will see pixel noise, since you might not be a ai user you can take that to an image editor and just increase the contrast super hight and some blocky noisy artifacts will appear, (it is different from picture compression noise and will be at certain places)
@@hmmmmmm_3429 I have never seen someone be so wrong about any technology. Please stop embarrassing yourself and read a bit about how AI actually works.
My school had a yearbook that I helped out on- and my friends really liked my art and wanted me to make the front cover for the book! Our yearbook instructor was in the room and seemed good with it. Took me 4 hours, I showed it to him and he kinda liked it. Put it up on the yearbook software myself- my friends said it looked good- but then the day before the yearbook went in he changed the painting to an AI cover because he thought it was neat. So inconsiderate. No warning. He never liked me or what I brought to the table in his class, so I guess this was his petty way of making it up to himself. Instead he put it in the far back of the book and made it a png on an orange background. (The painting- which was made traditionally, was purple and yellow- clashed terribly and looked disgusting) What is wrong with people??
exactly. No one thought AI like midjourney would be that big of a problem for artists at first, and it was difficult to convince people how damaging it really will be. And boom..just a short while later now we have this. It absolutely is too late. You can’t stop AI from developing you won’t stop capitalism from doing its thing. It’s hopeless really
@@tomboyjessie1352what do you suggest we do then? Take out big corp? Take out capitalist leaders? Destroy AI? Stop Posting ALL art? Stop using social media and tech? Protest? We have very little power here. Even though there are a lot of us artists we are still very few. Unless it affects the great population, or something big like Elections, or the profits of capitalists, we have no power.
Oh god it's horrifying. As an artist, I can see that the timelapses are clearly made by ai, but I know that it's good enough that many people will get baited into this. There are quite a few noticable irregularities and weirdness to the ai timelapses like how the outline and shadow are sometimes in one layer/frame, or the colors being colored in weird sequences, and changes and tweaks to the drawing that would actually take an artist quite a while to fix (ai does it in 2 or 3 frames which is impossible for any real artists). But will non-artists notice that? No, and that's what scares me. I guess it's time I go back to good ol' traditional drawing on paper with my color pencils. Thankfully ai can't do that!
Yeah going back to traditional is one way (at least as a hobbyist or if you're selling original pieces), but then again as soon as you wanna post your traditional art online AI can immitate traditional ones too. I mean they look fake and sh*t to us, but yeah. Well the whole topic is just infuriating one way or the other... gotta collect ourselves and try to focus on what we wanna do, independent from all the chaos. ;/
Real Procreate or CSP timelapses.. you can see the brush moving, even if it's moving fast, and it's only doing one thing at a time because a human is operating it. If multiple lines are happening at the same time, it's not real. If every change just pops into existence, it's not real. Non-artists, I think, are capable of learning that the process should be *visibly animated* instead of just a bunch of screenshots in a row! And current AI tech can't do that and may never be able to for complicated technical reasons. It seems like the biggest problem here is really the question of whether people really care if it's AI? If they care, this is not even plausible. If they don't really care that much, then yeah they'll be fooled but they probably didn't need this to start with.
And artists shouldn't have to go to all these lengths to prove their real art. People shouldn't have to scrutinize whether the details are AI looking or not. People shouldn't have to be taught how to not be deceived by this stuff (impossible given how many people there are in the world, who just aren't going to know this stuff). It's so frustrating.
Ai won't be trying to recreate traditional art anytime soon with all the resources that would take(having some kind of fake limb that could draw things with pencil and paper).
@@anunnacy I think a solution for selling art online is just sending it through delivery to the person. A problem with this though is that drawings like that could be just printed ai art. Maybe a program gets invented specifically to recreate the bumps of oil paintings or roughness and texture of watercolor. Send the ai art to the person and if he checks if it's legit, he'll think it is because there's clearly a texture to the "painting". The only solution to this is to just make the person come to the artist's house, watch the artist draw, and get the drawing from there.
What would you suggest we do? The professional field has been quietly using narrow AI for over 15 years now. Such things a procedural terrain. The Planet of the Apes movies used AI to procedurally generate forests. No modelers or artist were required. It was all generated with math. It may have recently hit the mainstream but we are already waist high in AI. it is in every movie you like and every TV show that you adore. You just don't know about it unless you work professionally in VFX. AI didn't just materialize in 2023. Best we can hope for now is the tech bros get bored and move on to the next shiny thing.
If you want to fight AI, you have to step into politics. Form a guild or a union and put pressure on your local politicians. This is how TikTok is scheduled to be banned: people put pressure on lawmakers, and lawmakers make laws to eliminate whatever their voters don't like.
@@baiwuli6781 You can't ban a technology as ubiquitous as AI. It is too big and integrated into too many things now, and as i mentioned, it has been around for far longer than people realize. 3D CGI have been using AI tools for over 15 years. Besides there are tons of applications for it that are genuinely useful that were impossible to achieve before and don't infringe on the professions of artists. They just don't get talked about. For example back in 2018 Peter Jackson restored WWI footage and released a movie called They Shall Not Grow Old. That used AI to extrapolate frames, fill in missing information, upscale the resolution and colourize everything. It would have been impossible without the use of AI. What we need maybe are incentives for businesses that retain artists on their payroll. Punish the ones that are replacing their staff with AI.
the thing that AI will NEVER do, is an oc, no matter if one copy paste the prompts of their very nice unique oc it will Never be looking the same, always different hair clothes body detail, a comic, an animation Nope, AI only makes portraits, be doing characters from bigger franchises or backgrounds. Also artists are doing more tricks lol like writting in their speedpaints or drawing funny stuff between them. So as I always say AI programs need Obligatory Watermarks!! if they claim to want to help people and not doing any harm.. they Should put a Huge big watermark in the middle of the results! it's an extra publicity so why not?
I just hate the developers for making this because they really thought " oh a bunch of scammers uses ai art as their own and struggle with the speedpaints cuz they dont know how to actually draw the pieces... lets help them."
ban it plz like it dont just stop here, ai videos will be used to scam people in any field not just art. i keep finding ai images/videos to promote things in the wild like ads, stories for kids, small shows and events. it sucks that artists and people who likes art gets to feel this first but everyone else will be a target too.
For reals. Everytime I listen to music, for some reason my suggested videos area which I usually use to go to the next song, which is usually filled with the other songs I normally listened to after that particular song, but now it's filled to the brim promoting ai "music" with ai generated images. Why?? I've had to hit "dont recommend channel" so many times fml.
@@googleyoflolz9930 Somebody should make some kind of extension that blocks Topic Channel videos with under 100 views, because that would reliably filter the AI out I think.
I agree they need to ban this. It's literally not even good to keep..and wasn't there a literal news artical that said 'The e-waste produced by AI technology poses a serious environmental challenge. E-waste contains hazardous chemicals, including lead, mercury, and cadmium, that can contaminate soil and water supplies and endanger both human health and the environment.' Like?? Why keep it?!
@@Smug-Smirk no brother, there's a difference here. They're jealous, you're just scamming, it's different. Not that I'm scam shaming anyone here, that's your problem
@@urubudopix976 Artists have been the ones scamming people for ages with overpriced commissions, that's why no one cares that they're losing jobs to AI now, I'm just giving my clients a good value proposition, that's why they keep returning lol
This is heart shattering. The years ive put into art. Just for it to be taken for granted by AI bitches. I havent ever seen your channel before, but you seem like a very sweet person. Take care.
They only “take away” your art if you ALLOW them to. They’re bitches just like you said, but if you let said AI bitches discourage you and ruin your love and drive to create real art, that makes you one, too, minus the AI. I know it feels awful, but you can’t let that happen.
Forget them AI programs. Your art will always be a lot more special and better than what an AI program could ever produce. I too am upset about this AI situation as a beginning artist (who doesn’t really have good art anyways) but I ask you to keep the same saying in mind that I keep. At least you’re putting in more effort and actually trying than the AI people
Joke's on them. They're not replacing artists, they're replacing themselves. You still have a skill set you can continue to grow, so keep working on it. Them on the other hand... They'll only somewhat learn how to use shortcuts. And shortcuts can only get you so far. They will stagnate.
I'm not an artist, but as a programmer I know how you feel, so much effort perfecting your craft just to have generative AI come in and effectively replace you I still refuse to use AI though, I'll write every gosh dang line myself until the day I die, that way I can actually be proud of the things I make
I really hate everything about AI. The fact it diminishes the human experience in art and creativity, the looming implications about how we will perceive reality…. I just don’t think it offers enough benefits outside of research applications to justify it as an open source tool like this. When it’s used more as a “calculator” I understand it’s function. Needing to quickly process information that would otherwise take ages to compute manually makes loads of sense. But for content and the arts? For social interactions??? The lingering thought I’m having is in the near future we won’t be able to trust ANYTHING we see or hear unless it’s in person (and even then I doubt we will remain confident). I foresee things becoming so tainted with “generated reality” that we will start preferring our own individualized augmented realities, choosing to be in them more than real life. Someone said something difficult to you that you didn’t like? That’s ok I’ll just remove them entirely from my digital world. There’s a person you have a huge crush on who would never date you IRL? That’s ok I’ll just make a digital version of them that loves me exactly how I want. … I’m hoping we don’t choose that reality for ourselves... Maybe there will be a mass exodus from the internet as we know it today to something different in the coming years. Perhaps in person experiences will become more valuable. All I know is many people seem to hate it just as much as I do, and that gives me tremendous hope. I think Artists and creators like you who speak up about this is vital. Don’t stop fighting for humanity. Share your perspective and keep creating! We need authenticity now more than ever. ❤🎨🎼✍️
Yall, idk if it will work, but lets just write "i am human" somewhere on our canvas and leave it there until we finish the project until we finish the drawing. Usually AI struggles with words so it MAY work. If it doesn't, we can also just spam the view and unview on a layer for a while so it lasts a second or more on the autogenerated speed paint. Maybe combine both?
Having some kind of signature "thing" that you do could probably help. If every artist does something weird occasionally during their speedpaints (randomly inverting the colors, drawing a shitty neon pink mustache, w/e) then that'd be 1) confusing to the AIs training on it and 2) incredibly difficult to get an AI to do the same out-of-pocket alteration consistently. The whole point of AI "art" is to be lazy, so why not do something that is both fun and absolutely maddening to convincingly replicate?
Something said by the Artist Boris said, always stuck with me. "I am never more then 50% satisfied with anything I paint." He said this, in reference (or in connection with) the fact that when he paints, the paintings often decide they want to go in a completely different direction then he originally envisioned. And it seems true with other good artists. They start with an idea, but allow the art to decide it's own direction.
I know right? Like ai images are really cool, I think it was a cool idea. I mean it has a lot of potential for harm, but also a lot of potential for good. But this is just pure evil
When I first thought this, there were two things that popped into my head: First, it's impressive how far the tech has come. Second, those people using it are so pathetic. I understand the type who would feel pride in this. They relish praise from achievements but have no interest in putting in any work to gain it, none. They will overemphasise their small efforts while disparaging the actual effort to do a task as nothing special. They are the "singers" who lipsync another persons song. They are the "writers" who buy or steal another person's story. They are the "athlete" who uses her family connections to knock a qualified runner out of a race to embarrass herself on the world stage (this happened with a Somalian team). They are pathetic. They will never know the true joy of creation, and knowing they are nothing without that program will always eat away at their soul. Plus, they just showed why art is valued: because a person creates it.
frequently i see some AI defenders argumenting that AI generators learn like artists learn, that is, observing and learning from other people's work. as a Software Developer, and an Artist, i can say: AI learns patters from pixels and attributes them to Tokens, you type the tokens and the AI does its best to reverse this process, and by that i mean that the AI has an generalizated batched MEMORY (which is the model) of pictures and their description, so the AI just learnt every concept it could and memorized its patterns, and it matches your input with the best match in the model. AI generators are just function to generate random numbers (noise), but refined and tuned to attend to our patterns, but they cannot escape from a single universal concept no computer can scape, and as like any computer sciencie dude knows: Any random number generator which is ran algorithmically will eventually loop, it will never generate unique numbers forever, this is impossible for ANY algorithms. And what i mean by all of this? Every image you generate with AI already exists inside the model, not literally, but it's optimized in a way it can fit LOTS of batched images, Everyting you type for input is just a seed which will be used to find the best match it was trained for. and the proof of all i've said is that if you use the same model and same inputs (including Seed, resolution, batch algorithm etc) to generate a image, it will ALWAYS be the SAME IMAGE, this is a FACT. And you know what's funny? this will NEVER happen in any other form of art, traditional, digital ( even incluing cameras ), and this only happens because the end output of our art depends on every little eletric signal our brain send to our muscles, the brain produces tens of billions of operations per second, we've been in the deepest places of our seas, we've been outside the earth, we made quantum computers, yet we've not managed to fully understand our own brain. This peculiarity acts every second in non AI related ART, and that's what makes it unique, yet, per chance, a language model could reproduce exactly your prompt and pass it to an AI generator, and generate the EXACT same piece as you were going to generate and type. And finally, AI only learn from humans, humans learn from humans and the reality, which is not an algorithm, we can touch, we can feel, we can be infinitely creative.
The fact that most AI "advancements" are focused on art is a symptom of it being unable to do ANYTHING else properly, it doesn't solve any problem whatsoever, its literaly NFT's 2.0, and its only a matter of time to stop working, crushed by its own weight
I mean it can write code pretty well, mostly because it lifts code straight from Stackoverflow and other places. Generally what I find AI most useful for is giving me options to solve a problem, and then I can research those options myself to find the one that best suits my needs. That or using AI to learn programs, like "how do I do X in Blender" where X is a very specific thing I am not sure how to google or know what the name of the tool to solve that is called. It's very good for things like that
AI can do lots of other stuff. Making "art" is just the "coolest" thing it can do. No one but programmers are impressed by AI writing code, no one but chemists are impressed by AI doing chemistry stuff, no one but doctors are impressed by AI assisting with medical diagnoses. But everyone can be impressed by AI making cool images.
@@MaxonerousX It can't write code well tho. It usually over complicates your code and you end up with a ton of errors, unnecessary frameworks and code that uses depreciated functions. The real issue could have been a typo but most LLMs will ignore details like that. Saying this from experience, you're better off going on reddit, an active forum or discord for help or better yet, a friend group that's good with problem solving.
@@MaxonerousX it seems like AI will stop soon to give many options, if we talk about generating images. AI generated images leaked back to the training databases, which led to less variety in results. That was preventable if 1) AI images were properly marked instead of mimicking "the real thing"; 2) building learning databases were ethical and with permission of copyright owners, instead of silently auto vacuuming all available images. The second point is time and money consuming, which would make AI development much slower and we wouldn't see an explosive popularity in that case, but that would solve a building up problem of poisoning data
I can twist my mind to the point of understanding why people would generate images, sometimes you just want to see and share an interesting idea that you don't have the resources to make. But i can't even make a good defense for why i would make fake art processes that doesn't involve bad intentions.
I understand generating the images themselves, I don't understand claiming it as your own work. If anything, it's a tool to conceptualize things, but it's not really an art form.
You summed it up better than I did. My thoughts as someone who used AI and can draw: 1) It is embarrassing. The speedpaints aren't even correct, they're timelapses and you can tell they're fake so why bother pretending you can actually draw? AI generaist been bragging that they can the do the same thing with the push of a button but now they want to go... backwards? 2) "Prompt Engineering" is a bull**** soon to be obsolete skill. I use AI like SD, the Model and Lora do %90 of the work with minimal prompting. That's the point, prompting is redundant work and model makers build them with the training data to keep it to a minimum. 3) The reason you don't understand why people do this is WEALTH. Whether its money or attention, other people who look at what successful artists have that they don't, need a way to get to where they by making up for lost time e.g. They don't care about the process, they care about the results. Its a different mindset than traditional craftsmanship where the PROCESS is very important.
As an artist there’s so many giveaways that they’re not real, for example how it builds up a more rendered colour style then boom it’s suddenly cell shaded. Details suddenly being very different without the new one being redrawn ( the Kaworu in the kimono for example, his face is practically finished then suddenly changes to the final form) but I can 100% see how non-artists would be completely fooled. Honestly I’m just waiting for the hype around AI to burn out like it did with NFTs, the models are already cannibalising themselves (I.e. training on their own output) so it’s only a matter of time until they get diminishing returns.
Ok, workaround tricks to proof legitamency of your art (mostly because long screen recordings in the app aren't viable for me), show pictures unmerged layers that aren't possible for ai to create since they don't seem compentent at backgrounds or underlying colours and show the speedpaint in the app since you have control over it. I'd recomended phone images/recordings of these for further legitamancey since who would go out of their way to fake that? Seriously it's an issue that this can happen now but it can only do so much to reality, so we should be exploiting that
Also, just leave references in your drawings and timelapses. AI videos won't be able to keep that reference image consistent, and AI images won't be able to generate a reference image that is actually related to the drawing.
@@bluejay43 i draw semi realistic art with my reference directly in the background, so there's no way an ai would be able to keep up with an image on the screen without making it look weird
I paint almost every bit of my paintings on one layer (no merging). 🤣But honestly, I couldn't care less if people wanna see "receipts" to proof that my art isn't AI. I just ignore or sass these kinda people.
I feel this is really telling on the ‘ai’ bros. Who desperate and lazy they are to beak into the artist field and lie through their teeth. They want to be seen as an artist but they don’t want to have fun and learn how to draw. I feel we need to be kinder to new artist as well to make them more comfortable “failing at art” and not being afraid to show their begging art journey. Everyone has to start somewhere. Shout out to the ‘ai’ bros who pieced up a pencil and learnt how to actually draw. I have seen a lot of them breaking free from ai and actually create something. I feel this type of ai and technology is just to scam people. Or be used to make horrible and dangerous content. We need stronger laws against it. And I personally is quiet uncomfortable of the ‘open ai’ aspect whit what kind of photos are in there. Along how bad for the environment it is to generate this. Because ai generative video, picture and (stolen) voices is not it.
Have you ever heard of Dead Internet Theory? It was something I never took seriously, because that couldn’t explain every video and every personal interaction online, But with this, I think we may get to a point where people will go full days without talking to an actual person or watching an actual person’s videos.
Considering they're also training AI off peoples personal messages and comments, it wouldn't surprise me if we eventually find social media flooded with AI bots. Not sure how they'll make money from lack of ad views though... I guess the bots will watch the ads?
@@McJorneil Bots wouldn't buy things so the advertisers wouldn't make money, which would result in the advertisers not paying for ads. Eventually, if they try to remove any sort of humanity it all comes crashing down.
Let me tell you this. We hear a lot about how art is not an essential pursuit. It’s not a real job. Blablabla, words used to belittle and undermine artist’s role in society. But art IS important, it helps shape our culture. I do believe that there is an entity out there who are trying to crush creative spirits in people and do whatever it takes to do so, and AI is one. They can write, design, paint, basically anything in creative field. But those are all illusions, they are inorganic, they are not real creativity, they’re just a bunch of data collected from us. We can create, they can only generate. Artists are powerful, they influence culture, they encourage creative, out of the box thinking, we are harder to control, we dare to question, and take routes that are out of the regular. Powerful people don’t want that. They want control, they want to dumb people down, and numb our curiosity. Keep on fighting guys, keep on creating, don’t let these AI gimmicks break your spirits, don’t submit to it. We need to empower each other more than ever. I’m not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but looking at how the world is slowly turning against everyday people’s favor, and the powerful became more greedy, you have to know what’s up. Never give up.
Oh my god.. This video hurt my heart, but still, it's inevitable. (Long text alert and possibly rant, sorry) I saw about this "AI speedpaint " a few days ago on Twitter, of course, in an argument of one knowing less than the other, that this would be good to avoid "gatekeeping art and helping people who have limitations to do so" but then I remember that there are blind artists, artists who don't move a part of their body, artists who has to do the impossible to put effort on what they love. Honestly, lying about your competence to feel proud of something you didn't do is sad, even more so if you bully someone thinking you're superior to them.
Is lazyness a disability now?... Also why would a blind person ever use AI art, they have less means of checking if the AI did what they invisioned, than if they just do it themselves. AI defenders using the gatekeeping card is just sad.
The thing that gives away the ai speedpaint is the strange color switching on the rendering sketch part, also some of the details look to muddy like a ai made it
I will say, it's a very interesting (mis)use of AI. Like, I can appreciate the curiosity of "huh, I wonder if this is possible" but actually making this available or even giving other people the idea to make this themselves is plain malicious. And I'd bet quite a bit of money that the training data wasn't used with permission of the creators.
this is the perfect video to give a shoutout to cara, i recently made an account. it's like instagram but BETTER! they have a statement saying that AI can be useful but right now it's being done unethically, artists have a right to their own work, and that it should be regulated. they dont allow AI scrapers or any third parties to steal artwork. i highly recommend it!!!
As long as you have original files for the project you can easily prove that you drew the piece. If you suspect that a speedpaint is AI generated ask OP what program they used to draw it and if they can send a screenshot of the layers to prove that it was a real piece
Also, I could be wrong but I feel like when doing this yourself you would ideally take the picture with another device and your own hand/piece of paper Reddit style. Because then they can't just take your screenshots and use them to steal your art. Cause hands are also really diverse so if someone has a different hand everytime it wouldn't work. 😂
with all the people suggesting that we ban it, the best thing we can do is possibly “sign” something as a community and reach out to bigger creators to ask them to help bring their attention to it. in the US, if I remember correctly, with enough signers we can use it to show perhaps a politician or someone bigger that hey! we care about this topic too! and perhaps have some legal work done. correct me if i’m wrong, though. and please add suggestions in the replies!
Guess all we can do now is show the whole process with no editing in between? I doubt an AI generator will be powerful enough for awhile to be able to keep it consistent while showing us drawing for 2-8 hours straight.
This is genuinely horrifying. I guarantee so many people out there are going to be accused of AI and have no one believe them, even if they show people a speedpaint over and over
I want to be an art teacher and I think that if I ever get to teach a digital art class, I’d have certain requirements in place to prevent AI cheating. (Such as, for example with procreate, submitting the projects as a procreate file, so I can clearly see it was worked on in the app.)
Dear artists, remember that "value" comes from rarity. If literal 2 years old can generate images using text prompts etc, then those so called "AI artists" already lost the battle of relevency. I know it is scary. But then again, simply turn off their computers, those scammers are left with *nothing* in their hands. N o t h i n g.
No, but that's the thing see, because companies are already using AI generated images in their products, promotions etc to avoid paying actual artists. The people who have been studying, working, all towards a career as an artist they are practically doomed.
You sound like an NFT bro, 'value comes from rarity' lol. And you're even getting the uno reverse of the 'right click save' jokes you were doing now, how ironic.
@Ollieve_Roo Really? Ive been using ibis for a while and I never knew that. I always enjoy watching my speedpaints come together. How can I turn that on? I think itd look cool
@@TurtleMaster803 I'm pretty sure you have to manually do it for every individual artwork. The way I figured out how to do it is by going to the specific canvas I want to save the time-lapse of, click on the "i" icon that brings up the "artwork Information" and go down to where it says "Video type". The default option is "view fixation", but if you switch it to "with window", then it'll show the layers when watching the speedpaint and yada yada pretty epic
@@Valaclara Ooh! Thankies! I'mma try that! Edit: I tried it and my zoom-ins were so unreal 🤣 I was like, "I zoom in that much (around 2000%+)?!" It's not easy on the eyes, ngl, but because of AI speedpaints, I'd rather put up this timelapse format than be accused of doing AI art.
Wow, I had no idea. Usually comments say to record your process, but i guess that's not proof anymore if this gets popular. I'd be convinced seeing the videos until i learn the new ai quirks. But I grinned everytime your drawings came up, waching you create those amazing, unique characters is so satisying and joyful. Keep creating. :) A machine can never copy that.
This scares me even more, and there are people who are saying this isn't wrong??? Like, what other proposals does this AI "help" with other than just pretending to be an artist???? Our only way of showing that we are really artists was by showing our speedpaints (and we have to do that a lot because allegations of using AI are happening a lot) man, this is really so scary...
this is just straight-up predatory, it's pathetic, to make a program that makes your art into a speed paint, I'm sure they'll be charging a subscription for it too Why pay artists when you can pay AI monthly, right... 😑
Yeah it really says alot about a person that they are willing to pay for an inferior product instead of paying for a high quality product. They claim that artists are somehow holding art hostage because we don't work for free, yet they are paying to create AI trash! X'D They can try to delude themselves all they want, but the more they try to mimic us, the more apparent it becomes that they desperately wish they could be us, but they still trash talk us? That's called being a jealous hater! On every video where Ai is discussed there's a hoard of AI bros in the comments saying the most crazy shit, being in heavy denial about AI being trash etc. And then you realize what kind of people it is that use AI...
And it's also funny, cause generative AI has yet to turn in a profit Right now the seemingly infinite money going into the fiel is all based of speculation And AI is very expensive to run Some time the rubber gotta touch the road
So there are some things we can do as artists to prove our work is our own if a full screen recording is out of the question. 1. Obviously, showing each individual layer from start to finish screenshots or a short screen record flipping through each layer. 2. Creating a layer specifically for naming and showing each brush that you use. 3. Writing the name of each layer overtop the piece as you work on it on the same layer you’re working on, then using the eraser tool to erase it once you move on. 4. In a random point of time in your piece, writing something against AI after turning off all your layers and erasing it manually so the Timelapse captures it. Just a few things I can think of at this point.
Yeah I do the same, I block them - when I see them recommended in my feed AND also when they're following me. ick them out right away and block. Btw what do you mean with the random tags? What does it do?
i have a slight solution to this issue for now. artists can screen record them going onto a drawing from the app home which displays other artworks they have made and then start watching the speedpaint. why would ai users take time in trying to make an ai replicate the process of actually clicking on the artwork and starting the speedpaint.
You're talking about something that would add like an extra, what, ten minutes to the process, when some of these people are literally spending hours re-generating images just to get versions as good(??) as the ones they're posting. Time is not really the constraining factor, here. Effort is.
i am so tempted to put my actual art in there to see how much of a stroke i can make it have given what it's trained off of, and given my art style, it would NAWT last long P.S! Ibis Paint also has an automatic speedpaint feature. I will be comparing speedpaints if I go thru with it
It's really interesting seeing the difference between intellect and knowledge. The AI knows that artists lighten the layers and make sketches, but it doesn't know why. So the timelapses look disjointed as a result.
Someone have accused me of using Ai and I said I have a speed paint but they didn't believe me because they think I made the speed paint with Ai it's so frustrating Idk maybe our last resort is to show layers? I so done with ai,
yes, and also other types of speed paints, mostly a type where it only records the strokes you do on the canvas (it doesn't record erasures tho), so like it takes a picture of ur canvas in every stroke you do. There's also another one which you can actually custom your record, let's say, record canvas in every 10 seconds, so it will only take a pic of what u did every 10 secs, so if u put that as a video, it's a very speedy speedpaint coz its flashing certain progresses instead of the whole timelapse. I find myself more comfortable with recording the whole screen 1) for authenticity of the experience and 2) most practical and easy to manage.
I hate how people abuse AI. Its actually a pretty awesome and useful tool that can help you to improve. But everyone just uses it to do the work for them.
I genuinely believe a lot of these AI artists are convinced they’re real artists too. They get upset when people steal their “art” and copy or repost it, I’ve even heard they get mad at others for “stealing” their AI generated designs, it all comes back full circle kind of how like the real art community is. The only thing is that these ones are deluded into thinking they’re genuinely making something real. I hate it though,,
the 1 thing that will cause a large problem for ai is the ai itself, soon the ai will start inbreeding just like in the 1500 or smt they will just start looking uncanny and weird
So what are the tech bros thinking we humans are going to work with when they finished removed all the creative fields by making them redundant as anyone with zero skills and understanding can make what used to require actual skills. Are the only types of work that the people that do them actually want to do and likes to do really the ones we shall try to remove completely the first chance we get. What future are we heading towards. One where humans work amazons warehouses and sweep dirt of the street for minimal money while robots make artwork, writing, filmmaking, videogame development, music, acting, etc all based on the textmessages witten by a talentless dude that is into crypto and out for fast cash
I hate that all of these small companies popping up creating apps/tools like these and there is NOONE stopping them and NO CONSEQUENCES for these people who obviously actively destroy a whole creative work field for everyone in it including professionals. And it's not even just us as 2D Artists, it's also 3D Artists (and I bet there's someone who is faking the process of those too). And many more (including the music industry etc etc..) It's like noone that HAS the power to make change, takes this big topic/problem as serious as they should! And bc of that I feel like the people in power also don't understand how FAST this problem grows and what it can lead to. But yeah... ranting and worrying unfortunately doesn't get us anywhere... so yeah... I think we can only continue to speak out against it loud and clearly(!) and continue focusing on our very own journey and what we wanna do. While crossing fingers, that this whole stupid chaos will SOMEHOW slowly flatten out and things will get back to "normal" in the near future.
Sometime ago I've heard a great analogy for AI art: "It's like building your own sandwich at Subway and insisting that you're the chef because you were the one who chose what you'd like to see at the end."
this! I usually say "It's like asking my artist friend to draw me something very specifically, for free, then claiming that it's mine and I made it because I gave that friend the instructions"
It seems to also try and make a fully rendered character before settling on cell shading… There’s even points where the whole face and body seem to move and switch styles completely AFTER the line and flat colour is done Which i know some artists do but… not like that
5:28 ive seen digital painting vids where actual artists go through a bunch of diff versions of the background before they settle on a final one, it seems to be imitating that
As someone who doesn't know how to draw backgrounds and literally throws in like a million background ideas till I'm satisfied and then I keep moving from there most of the time Haha I'm in danger
It was to be expected, it was the next natural progression, a "if it's possible, it will happen" deal. I just hoped it wouldn't be so soon... The fact it can do sketches so convincingly... There's basically no way to prove a picture is human-drawn anymore. What with video AI too, even filmed speedpaints and .psd or .sai files will probably soon be computer generated. What the hell. AI is _incredibly_ useful in business, especially in tech and research but the absolute blight it has become on the profession as an artist. I do feel bad for those persuing the career, it really has become rough I am sure.
6:12 I have an answer you're not going to like. The answer is yes, people are embarrassed they have no talent so they fake it. Back in the 80s you could order a cell antenna for your car that comes with a fake phone so when you're parked at a red-light and people see you on your fake phone they think you're important, because the only people who owned cellphones were CEOs and business owners. Yeah you heard that right, so that people you may never see again think that you're a big wig. I have no idea why people need to impress complete strangers, either.
Honestly, the first use I personally thought of when I saw this was using the AI generated "early speedpaint stages" as a starting point for drawing over. I'm very good at spotting mistakes, so I think it could be interesting and fun to 'correct' an AI image and not having to start with a blank canvas
Just why is this a thing?? This isn't about creating AI Art anymore, It's to literally trick other people into thinking you did something you didn't. That's craaaazy.
This is why I am strictly a traditional artist a long time ago now. Unless it is for personal fun doing digital rarely, I only draw traditionally, you cant fake a physical original
So many images I have drawn that I would want to scan and do this with. This is probably a bigger thing at the moment because ai video generation is still really early and bad but giving it input and output images seems to be working much better, especially for anime type animation prediction. I've never understood the artists obsession with owning their art, have pride sure, but many are obsessed. Many algorithims that digital artists use are created by people who really want art for the sake of art and liscense their "art" (programs they create) as a free liscense for others to modify however they like. This code is a form of art.
What do you guys think of people working on Ai speedpaint generators?
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00:00 Intro
00:59 AI speedpaints? Introducing PaintUndo
01:49 What kind of speedpaints can PaintUndo make?
04:04 Tech demo
06:02 My thoughts
09:28 Implications for artists
10:12 Your thoughts?
10:26 Outro
About the speedpaint thing...I think what you say is a very accurate summary of what it's for and how it's really just a scamming device, but I do have something to add on. Although posting these things is just a scam, people could be using the speedpaints to learn how to draw, how to use sketches, layers, effects, etc. So yeah
I think they are pathetic
@@yizhenliu-qi8uuThe thing is why would you use an ai speedpaint to learn how to draw? 🤔 It's not a real speedpaint process and there's hundreds of free tutorials online made by actual artists which would definitely be a lot more useful to learn from
The only use for helping learn that I can see is the model can take images and then produce a sketch version, and a line art version etc, which you could use to copy for a study I suppose
@@backupforthevideos3861 that so true and they say it's '' help artist to understand how ia do and learn ''' they want so hard to being call artist but you're not 🙄
@@lolaholliday I guess its just more convenient...? idk honestly
Imagine how embarrassing it will be if they go to a con and can’t draw their own characters for their fans.
Oh my.
I can already picture the awkwardness that will set in.
lol yeah. They can’t animate, open a live or go to a con. They just lying to their self
@@arenboiFr like it ain't gonna end well. Learning and drawing and animating yourself is the biggest reward
Totally possible. Not long ago a "speedrunner" who had faked all his records appeared on a live event without preparation and you can guess how well it went. The commentators knew what was going on and made him sit through it and try keeping up the facade until he had finished the game an hour later than planned.
LMAOOO IMAGINE 😭😭😭
AI bros: "it's just another tool to create art"
Also AI bros: create a tool with no other purpose than to hide their use of AI
trust me, none of the "bros" who defend AI art with their very life are actually the one making said AIs
as for why people would train AI to fake speedpainting; Idk, science for science's sake perhaps
Ikr like what use do artists have for a fake speedpaint, if you were actually using AI as a tool to help make art then you'd be able to record the process yourself lmao
Proving the authenticity of your picture was never the purpose behind speedpaints. The purpose was always to provide people with additional content. So pretending that the goal of this tool is to hide something, is disingenuous.
Relying on any kind of verification method, including speedpaints, was never going to last. What's needed is regulations, and actually applying them in practice, to prevent people from mislabelling AI art as human-made. EU already took steps in this direction.
@@Spellweaver5although it may have been popularised due to the TH-cam adpocalypse, the reason most people watch speedpaints is because of its authenticity. People like seeing someone's process into making a piece of art. Less people would watch if they knew the speedpaint was fake.
AI artists can do the same by recording their prompting process. And when photographers want some extra content, they record themselves photographing, not fake painting their photograph
@@Lucien_M they watch them because of their authenticity, but not to prove that a piece of art is real, with very few exceptions. Those are different things.
The fact that people feel the need to pretend the ai images they generated were drawn by hand just proves that the technology isn’t as cool or useful as they say it is.
nope, you all are taking it wrong, the project is not to fake process but to understand how ai does on images, it only does anime well because there are more anime artists posting speedpaints.... it is still very imperfect and idk how actual artists are failing to notice it...
(i am not talking about diffusion but paints undo its to understand consistency in diffusion models and improve further models based on that, which is still very far to reach)
@hmmmmmm_3429 what.. but this process is done backwards. It takes complete AI image and does sketch, line, etc.
ikr. public will not be impressed with AI generated image as they will be impressed with an artists' work. so they know they had to "prove" they "drew it themselves"
@@hmmmmmm_3429 This is not how AI generates images! AI-generated images using diffusion models begin with a completely noisy image, akin to random static. The model is trained through a forward diffusion process, where it learns how images degrade by progressively adding noise, and a reverse process, where it learns to denoise and reconstruct the original images from these noisy versions. During generation, the model starts with a random noise image and iteratively applies the learned denoising steps, gradually refining it until a meaningful image emerges.
Ai does not create images as shown here through 'sketching' and then building up a painting. This model was trained using end result images and real artist speedpaints in order to create a fake speedpaint for any image you input
@@hmmmmmm_3429 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's not how AI generates images lmfaoooo
The watercolour guy is magic, he painted a whole painting without taking new paint or changing colours
lol fr, it’s funny how it generated paint strokes around his brush as well
What's worse, people are actually DEFENDING this and calling artists entitled narcissists for uh... Not wanting their work to get stolen?
I saw someone on deviantart who's been defending AI, they make AI images, compared the selling of fanart to the creation of AI images, this person was trying to copyright their AI images or something, I can't remember the details. But that guy or girl deserves so much hate for their beliefs. I hate pro AI people.
Edit:
Ok well I don't think we should be spreading hate even if someone uses AI, but that doesn't mean they should be considering themselves as artists because they're not
The same people want to pretend to be real artists so fast :\
@@PikachuGirl140ai “ art “ is not art. Pro ai people are NOT artists. That’s it. I agree very much with you.
@@Ayeyayel thank you for agreeing
Theres a whole subreddit of people defending AI and its just full of ppl shitting on artist Art, whining over being attacked, and then attacking another artist, calling artists fascist narcissistic literally any word they learn yesterday, etc. its a shithole 😭
It’s not that people WILL use AI to scam people when it comes to commissions, people already HAVE used AI to scam commissions. Now it’ll just be easier for them to fake to non-artists :[
I remember watching a Jazza video a while ago where he went on Fiverr and commissioned a bunch of artists (for a lot more than £5) and most of them gave him Ai art 😂
@@lolaholliday That is incredibly disheartening. I actually draw; where can I go to sell my actual work? This is so frustrating! It's devaluing art even more than it was. Maybe I'll just be an accountant and keep my art to myself.
Homestork
@@lolahollidayI wonder how his brother reacted to that. Probably went like "I DoNt SeE a PRoBLem WitH thAt."
You know, since ai isnt protected by copy right you can steal ai art and claim that you made it without any moral implications
I see two reasons for this:
1. Scamming
2. Being bitter about actual artists. Jealousy is real. Some people just can't do it (or rather don't want to put effort in learning) but want a piece of the cake, so they do this.
GenAI is not a problem - it is a useful tool, especially in industry most people don't see (e.g. chemistry, manufacturing etc.) - it is people using the tool unethically.
this, this right here. GenAI & AI in general can be incredibly useful, but as with all new technology, there aren't many rules regarding its use and the ethical boundaries involved. the best we can do is to keep fighting for our creative work - a.k.a intellectual property - to be given the protections they rightfully deserve, across all facets of modern life.
The second part reminds me of the twins in Trolls3. They rather kidnap a troll, extract his talents and be popular rather than to practice singing.
"GenAI is not the problem, it is people using it unethically" 👏👏👏
I agreed until you said genai is not a problem. Please research the environmental impact genAI has.
GenAI is MUCH worse for the environment than nfts, One picture needs so much water it's egregious. Why did people call out NFTs for its negative environmental impact but not genAI? Even if it's worse by tenfold? Don't use it, idc what reason you have for it, it's not worth it.
There are various inconsistencies that can help identify this as AI.
1: the art style that the Timelapse starts with will almost always change. yes it’s simply anime, but there are many ways to draw in this style. Yet it follows towards a very generic pose and look.
2: the process is very non coherent and tedious. Why would you drastically change the art style every moment, why would you go from a painterly method to simple cell shading, and how could you make major changes on an almost perfectly rendered piece. You wouldn’t do these things because you’re not an AI
We know that what we plan is either thumbnailed, or referenced heavily or perspectively to really have a plan for the most optimal art process. Which leads me to the third reason.
3: they only have Timelapse footage of the drawing. Not the program. AI doesn’t know what brushes, program setup, and color wheels look like. Nor how to fabricate footage of it without creating a Brocken and glitched display.
I really hope these were some good points fellas and ladies.
What’s depressing is that ai programmers follow these ‘how to spot that it’s ai’ explanations as if they were advice on how to improve the programming, and within a year they’ll have ironed out all these flaws or found ways to hide them.
@Maren617, they might not have another year, tho 👀
I've read that investors are becoming more skeptical of AI because so far it has failed to generate any actual profits
This changing the artstyle thing is especially visible with Kaworu here 4:56. Or probably with any image that shows a specific character, he's just the only one I recognise.
There just isn't a scenario where an artist would start with a sketch that has this different of an artstyle, then ends up with an image this close to the original show. Like, his hair starts out wavy for some reason. An artist would have a reference, and be more precise with the look of the image from the start.
The first two are going to get me being called an ai artist HELP im so inconsistant (good thing i dont upload my digital speedpaints lmao)
@@SelkieFrost As long as you don't shift/ transform around your finished artwork as the last step of the process, I think you're good tbh
I found several times on community group in one of social media platform. They were arguing because somebody used their " ai images" without permissions and they were really really pissed off, and I was thinking "well, how's that feel?"
They're gonna be very disappointed when they find out that AI images fall under public domain and can't be copyrighted lol
Ikr, It's annoying because, Hmm.. THEY NEVER DREW IT TO BEGIN WITH!
*passes the plate of dust* "Well...?"
I'm a very small vtuber, but I wanted to have an art contest for my character. Since there was a reward of money for my 3 favorite works, I explicitly required the artists to prove they made it by providing some work-in-progress evidence. Either a picture of the sketch, a timelape, or footage of them actually drawing it.
This may sound like a lot of trouble, but it was to avoid AI "art." After all, first place got $100, second got $50, and third got $25.
The contest went well, and I had a lot more submissions than I expected. None of the artists had an issue providing proof.
Now, however, I don't know how I'll be able to host another art contest with this kind of generated garbage being available.
It sucks, because AI is essentially making it harder for smaller or younger artists to have bigger opportunities like an art contest.
I don't like it either, because I don't want any AI art of my character, but I love to see *REAL* art of my character.
AI bros and tech companies are ruining the experience for everyone. They miss the point entirely. It's not just about making something that looks good. It's about the people and the community.
Guys, laugh at this person, shes a vtuber. 🫵😂
@@HyperYT-ob8fc That is irrelevant to the point of the comment
Go a step further and ask for the raw files as proof (.psd, .sai, .kra, etc.) or you could also just ask for unedited footage (real time).
@@jesterdays I was thinking of doing the video requirement, but getting the raw files is a good idea.
Thanks!
C o n t e s t. W h e r e (+_+)
on the topic of "why would someone use this?" - I think a great parallel is people who cheat in video games, they don't play the game for the same reason as us - winning is the only goal.
That’s the best comparison i’ve seen. They don’t do art for the funnof doing art, they do it solely for the end product. From the little i’ve tried of ai art, it’s tedious, and nowhere near as fun as drawing it yourself.
@@shhinysilver1720 I'm an artist who doesn't enjoy the process itself as much ans does it solely for the end product, you could say. I'd have no interest in such a tool because why should I care about a product I didn't make myself?
@@Shiranovaohhhh gosh, let's be buddy lazies🙏 to be honest. Me too. When I am animating or drawing. It can be fun. But mostly is eustress mode. I just want the finished product. But it needs to be handmade, because I am prideful. It needs to be mine.
Back when i played games regularly i used to cheat all the time, but it was never for the purpose of solely winning the game, but rather as to study game mechanics, how a game engine works, how anti cheat detects cheating etc... That's how I got into the IT Industry in the first place. I'm not trying to prove a point btw, I'm just saying that among all the cheaters, there's a tiny fraction that had a genuine reason, unlike those who just want to win in a game. Yes, we exist ✌️
@@shhinysilver1720Completely agree. It’s very tedious to get anything close to what’s wanted, especially if it’s something more… unique.
I use a bot to generate a lot for my impromptu dnd nights, where I’m looking for material 5 minutes before starting or while we’re playing. Out of everything involved in those nights it’s going back and forth to get the right reference images lol.
What we used to imagine: ‘AI will do all the boring, hard physical labor and give humans the free time to create art!’ Reality: AI creates “art” and the humans have to go do the hard, boring, physical labor. 😐
Lol, why is this so true
Fr it's because it's easier to make a machine generate a bunch of images and videos than to make it do the back-breaking work that people do everyday.
I already do both boring physical labor and make art.
@@McJorneil same... art is more fun
true
“Alright, you dingus. Open the file, show me all the layers. No balls, no pen, show me it all”.
Me who combine all there layers and love over painting is gonna have to stop it seems
@@PastelPixie99Make a duplicate of the project and name it Layered V.
Make the layers merge in the OG.
You now have the best of both worlds at the cost of a little bit more space used in PC \o3o/
Doesn't help at all, sadly. AI can learn ANY* strategy we would use to check it. Just give an AI thousands of traditional art files including all those layers and steps, and it will learn to replicate it perfectly. The only reliable test will be drawing something live in front of others.
@@phoenix9531 if the speed paints are anything to go by, it's a world from perfect lol xD
The further we gain in technology, the more we can manipulate reality to show whatever we want.
my number one worry is that all this stuff makes it more difficult for new artists to enter the field and grow in popularity 😭😭
in a future world where everyone doubts whether anyone has used ai, i can totally imagine genuinely skilled people coming out of nowhere accused of using ai, and that sounds terrible
i really hope there becomes a reliable way to verify and tell what is human made
Why was I born
Anyone being accusatory like that should just be ignored anyway. It's a clear sign of low intellect.
@@ARandomIndieGameEnjoyermy guy can't escape it
Even old artists aren't successful, you're either lucky and privileged or you learn to give up like everyone else
(That's why I'm writing a book for an animated series lmao) But it's still gonna be hard as shit cause nobody has ever once supported me as an artist in my 29 years of life. Like I understand that art theft is bad, obviously, but only a small handful of artists can afford to show themselves off and get ahead, and even then, not always. Just about who gets luckier.
For the amount of concern people have about AI art, they never once showed that amount of support for real art.
Pretty sure people just need reasons to be mad tbh. I know I have plenty 😂 The biggest one for me is that people act like they care about artists. Biggest joke I've heard since my birth 🥴 Commission me then,and replace my tablet,. You won't. And I can't afford a video camera to earn it either 😅 But oh yeah, right, oh noooo AI art that's easy to tell if you're paying attention and near impossible to commission oh noooo
@@mrtiredeyes No offense intended, I think you've got the wrong mentality. Having looked through your instagram, your art skills need a lot more improvement before you could ever hope to get reliable commission opportunities. Not saying it's impossible, you just aren't the right level yet. You need a lot more anatomy practice and probably also perspective drawing practice. Your coloring skills are very good though. I don't know what you do for work, but save, save, save. Even if it's just $5-10 here and there. Consistent effort and repeatable small steps can get you better results. I know the economy is horrible right now, but don't let that stop you. Don't let anything ever stop you.
I abandoned digital art for this reason. The media is cursed. From the start, it was meant to be like this. They can take my job, but they will never take my joy.
im with you here but doesn’t abandoning digital art because of ai take away something from you? Please dont abandon what you love because of shitty people.
@@koii319 They can love traditional art just as much, if not more. Digital art is easier, but not exactly the same workflow.
Don't let them win.
Don't let them win!!!
The insane ignorance to get mad at people for stealing an ai generated image that stole it’s abilities from actual artist is absolutely crazy
True but they also need to make sure to buy thier watermark inside the work so it doesn't get put into more A.I training and glaze it
??? wym????
it's still stealing from artists, just not as directly
@@lav-kittyAI prompters aren't artists
@@tlotxofficial Reread their comment.
@@morningglory.2 lol I read it the same way at first
"LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME PLEASE I BEG YOU TELL ME I'M GOOD, MY PARENTS NEVER DID"
I think this is what they mean
Read this in a Morty voice
Literally me (except i actually can draw (im a traditional artist))
@@ikerquinteroaviles2294 me too bb
HSHAHSHSJSJS yes
@@ikerquinteroaviles2294 you're good and you're doing a great job. You deserve to be called good, unlike the robot losers
I dont understand this continuous need to make and develop AI to ruin legitimate artists online. Instead, they should develop AI to be used in something else, like a tool to help solve more serious issues in the world... not to make art videos and images and put creative people out of work....
There are better AI applications already being used in science for more accurate processing of large quantities of data that humans can't process. The problem is that those aren't meant for consumers, and investors want profits :p
Make ai do my dishes so I can make music and art.
I know, why do people not make ai that helps with much larger issues in the world, it’s annoying that people just want the money and make things that takes people jobs like art and music. And what’s more annoying is that ai music doesn’t take from everything like ai art, I wish ai art programs asked for your permission to use your art instead of just stealing it.
The ruling class have a grudge against people becoming independant and not getting stuck in the jobs the system designated for us.
@@googleyoflolz9930 dude doing the dishes shouldn’t take that much time away from your life😭😭😭😭
i see ai everywhere now, i saw an ai logo on the side of someone’s car along with an ai portrait of hello kitty being sold at a mall kiosk a while ago. even worse, i was at a game shop 2 months ago and there was ai EVERYWHERE. on portrait on the walls, on tumblers, literally everywhere. and it made me so horrified
It’s crazy how some of the “sketches” look better than the “finished” pieces
Sometimes it feels like there’s a silent war being waged against all artists and creatives.
i agree..
That's what I've been saying. The ruling class wants us all stuck at walmart and fast food, they don't like people having other options to become independant. It's similar to the wars being waged on farmers since they don't want people independantly growing our own food either.
Silent? I feel like it hasn't been silent since...like, ever
Artists: \*existing, enjoying their craft, developing their skill, minding their own business*
AI bros: And I took that personally
Always have been
Tech-bros vs everyone else
Ai is for ppl, who aren't willing to learn how to draw and yet want to be acknowledged as if they've achieved something.
Basically it's for people who are lazy and don't want to do any work so they lie and say they made the art and when they get caught they say " but its so hard to write like 3 words you just dont get it " and still call themselves artists even though they probably have never tried to draw 😂😂
It’s kind of jealousy like u can even draw and someone even dare to claim the art as theirs like people r not using the au tool nicely, they scams and stuff like there should be a rule of using the au tool. I hope in the very future people have rules to use it like this is crazyy
I'd like to say AI is for completely different types of people (talking first hand), but unfortunately we can't have nice things. Especially when things get into everyone's hands...
@@Olat67 Generating good AI images actually takes hours and sometimes even days to perfect the perfect prompt how many cycles of shitty images will you go through until you get what you want? and dont even get me started on what you decide to train it on which can take hours. Hate it all you want but iv played around with it enough to know its not that simple and at the end of the day its just a tool artist should be using for themselves to help improve workflow instead of bashing it.
@@TeaTimeTable it's an art form. But it's unjustly packaged in the entire "digital art" space and then compared.
For me, there is an easy solution.
I'll just put Clip Studio Paint's built in watermark on my timelapses. If the AI copy that, CELSYS as the owner of CSP have the right to sue for impersonation.
Technically, I want to seriously ask why the AI sketches something crazy different from the end result?
If I'm drawing Tohsaka Rin, I wouldn't sketch schoolgirl Asuka Langley on the base layer.
If I'm sketching an angry Eren, I wouldn't draw Hodaka or Taki as sketch from Tenki no Ko and Kimi no Na Wa.
If I were to draw Roses, I won't sketch a Tulip first.
If I were to draw Fubuki, I wouldn't change the layer mask midway. I'd separate the character fro. The background before I practice hair details.
Hopefully more people discover the watermark trick.
If they keep using TH-cam speed paints eventually the ai will have an ibis paint watermark.
Nice on the watermark thing!!! Ibis Paint has that too if you have its free version. Been hiding their watermark using overlays, but now it's time to just reveal them for authenticity's sake!
Remember Photoshop adding Generative Fill a few years ago without the Ai marketing? Yeah, you can just remove the watermark. But it will be harder! Keep at it.
Dont let your stuff get stolen for profit.
But these are things that a random person on the street does not know, and that is the danger therein. People CAN and WILL be fooled by this practice, scamming them out of money.
It used to be ok when you could usually tell if something’s AI, although here 0:31 you can see paint appearing but the brush isn’t painting it, it just appears, but I’m kinda scared bc AI is making rlly convincing stuff now
it's not too convincing though, but it does gets subtle. You just have to pay attention to tiny details like these
@@urubudopix976The problem for a lot of people though is a lot of people don’t care and just want something pretty to look at. People don’t necessarily need or want well thought out quality or art, they want a temporary high of excitement or nostalgia.
AI art doesn't appear to be slowing down anytime soon, which is why I'm in the process of converting back to traditional art. I feel that people with a talent for sketching with pencils and ink or painting in all it's various mediums will become far more valuable in the years to come.
The game industry looks safe for a while too. AI will probably be used for background props, but It's not helpful with much else at the moment. I can't see anyone wanting to play games with AI running filters either, because you just feel like you're tripping balls.
Why would anyone value sketching?
I still think most of the people who use ai art are either gonna go down one of two routes, a) give up when they realize artists aren’t rich and ai won’t make them are rich artist, or b) learn how to actually draw when the find realize learning to make art for yourself is more fulfilling (I’ve seen that start happening thankfully). A lot of people who are raving about it are tech bros who hop on every tech trend they think is gonna make them a millionaire like NFTs, can’t wait for the reality to hit them that the whole point of ai is to avoid paying people, therefore no one will be paying them for their “work”.
HAHAHA imagine that thought process: I want to be rich...lets be an ARTIST.
I hope it works out for one of them, so they can make minimum wage, faking an ability they have no passion in.
(Altough imagine the client interaction, when they want one minor change, and get a whole different image.)
I've seen people making ai content farms to try to make a quick buck but most of it is just ai generated images with a robotic voice in the background reading off of a top ten list or some shit they stole off reddit and I wonder how they expect to make money if the majority of people will likely click off it once they realize there's zero substance and the fact it's so oversaturated. It's like trying to make a quick buck with a gaming or blogging channel where 99% of creators aren't making any real money.
@@Marlena499 Can we also talk about AI meme pages too? Ive seen a few attempt to sell 'merchandise' aka mugs and tees and hoodies with their AI gen images on them.
Unfortunately they already making easy money. They filled marketplaces with their ai generated images for use in other products of things like App icons, Stickers, Brush stamps etc - the things that other people usually bought as convenient consumables. They also make those AI generated 'art' teach books which unless you are able to look inside and know a thing or two will look convincing enough to buy. Not many online book stores allow to view the contents of the books now and people always prefer cheaper things for the goal they want. NFTs were restricted to platforms they were sold onto and those platforms were new, separated from popular one. But AI generated images crawled their places into regular Amazons, Etsy and your local online bookshop too. It's a plague.
@@Marlena499 TH-cam also cracking hard on these videos like they receive a 6 months ban of getting money lol
the fact that when I look a piece I have to question if it’s a fake that is being used to scam me or some genuinely talented artist who spent thousands of hours working hard on what they love makes me so upset. And to imagine that now if you happen to be really talented and you want to share your creations to the world, instead of people being amazed and inspired you will now have lots of people saying your thousands of hours are fake, or the other way around where people are posting fakes for clout and money they didn’t work for. This only helps those scammers and hurts those who have actual passion in their art.
Would reverse image search help track down the original art?
@@macarollit totally could, but sometimes it’s harder to find (note I’m no expert though lol)
@@AndiRoseArt You have a point.
I use AI image detectors and always, always look for a watermark. So many times i’ve been worried that a wonderful piece i found via pinterest or something is AI, only to be relieved when i see a legitimate watermark. Always watermark people!!! And don’t just do an unintelligible scribble, like, if i come across your work reposted i want to be able to search the name and find the original artist so i can see more!!
MaKe Em ShOw ThE FiLeS.
their goal might be just to F-up artists, because artists are the ones who complained the most about image generator. May be they're just being jerks, cant see any other reason to create such a generator.
not really, the project goal is to understand how ai precieves art, there are still many stuff in that speed paint ai that can be detected, idk how actual artists are failing to detect the too obvious noise in any ai images, am too researching art and trying to improve my ai gens but i never get close to perfection with ai....
@@hmmmmmm_3429 that's a pretty weak and weird argument and also trying to stupefy artists with the dumbest shit. "iDk HoW aRtISt aRE fAiLiNg..." come one dude, idk how idiots don't see the issue here.
@@hmmmmmm_3429 what do you mean by the “obvious noise”? Describe what you see that makes you detect it’s ai
@@0nepotential so if you zoom into an ai generated image you will see pixel noise, since you might not be a ai user you can take that to an image editor and just increase the contrast super hight and some blocky noisy artifacts will appear, (it is different from picture compression noise and will be at certain places)
@@hmmmmmm_3429 I have never seen someone be so wrong about any technology. Please stop embarrassing yourself and read a bit about how AI actually works.
My school had a yearbook that I helped out on- and my friends really liked my art and wanted me to make the front cover for the book! Our yearbook instructor was in the room and seemed good with it. Took me 4 hours, I showed it to him and he kinda liked it. Put it up on the yearbook software myself- my friends said it looked good- but then the day before the yearbook went in he changed the painting to an AI cover because he thought it was neat. So inconsiderate. No warning. He never liked me or what I brought to the table in his class, so I guess this was his petty way of making it up to himself. Instead he put it in the far back of the book and made it a png on an orange background. (The painting- which was made traditionally, was purple and yellow- clashed terribly and looked disgusting)
What is wrong with people??
@@dustycookies143 How disrespectful and disgusting
Thats so fucked up
i want to know what that man was thinking
@@twotruckslyrics I would like too as well tbh
"LOOK AT ME MOMMY AND DADDY! LOOK AT ME!!!" Ahh mentality 💀 I'm sorry man
Well, this is depressing. Thank you for bringing awareness to the ongoing evolution of stolen merit.
Yeah no-one wants to acknowledge a problem until it's far too late lol.
ur goddamn right and it applies to all kinds of problems, from ecology to this
exactly. No one thought AI like midjourney would be that big of a problem for artists at first, and it was difficult to convince people how damaging it really will be. And boom..just a short while later now we have this. It absolutely is too late. You can’t stop AI from developing you won’t stop capitalism from doing its thing.
It’s hopeless really
@@nishatlala3990Doesn't mean we can't sit around and do nothing, that's doomer talk right there.
@@nishatlala3990 Yeah, it happened fast too. I was ignorant before and was like: A this is very silly and cool. But times have changed.
@@tomboyjessie1352what do you suggest we do then? Take out big corp? Take out capitalist leaders? Destroy AI? Stop Posting ALL art? Stop using social media and tech? Protest?
We have very little power here. Even though there are a lot of us artists we are still very few. Unless it affects the great population, or something big like Elections, or the profits of capitalists, we have no power.
Oh god it's horrifying. As an artist, I can see that the timelapses are clearly made by ai, but I know that it's good enough that many people will get baited into this. There are quite a few noticable irregularities and weirdness to the ai timelapses like how the outline and shadow are sometimes in one layer/frame, or the colors being colored in weird sequences, and changes and tweaks to the drawing that would actually take an artist quite a while to fix (ai does it in 2 or 3 frames which is impossible for any real artists). But will non-artists notice that? No, and that's what scares me. I guess it's time I go back to good ol' traditional drawing on paper with my color pencils. Thankfully ai can't do that!
Yeah going back to traditional is one way (at least as a hobbyist or if you're selling original pieces), but then again as soon as you wanna post your traditional art online AI can immitate traditional ones too. I mean they look fake and sh*t to us, but yeah. Well the whole topic is just infuriating one way or the other... gotta collect ourselves and try to focus on what we wanna do, independent from all the chaos. ;/
Real Procreate or CSP timelapses.. you can see the brush moving, even if it's moving fast, and it's only doing one thing at a time because a human is operating it. If multiple lines are happening at the same time, it's not real. If every change just pops into existence, it's not real. Non-artists, I think, are capable of learning that the process should be *visibly animated* instead of just a bunch of screenshots in a row! And current AI tech can't do that and may never be able to for complicated technical reasons.
It seems like the biggest problem here is really the question of whether people really care if it's AI? If they care, this is not even plausible. If they don't really care that much, then yeah they'll be fooled but they probably didn't need this to start with.
And artists shouldn't have to go to all these lengths to prove their real art. People shouldn't have to scrutinize whether the details are AI looking or not. People shouldn't have to be taught how to not be deceived by this stuff (impossible given how many people there are in the world, who just aren't going to know this stuff). It's so frustrating.
Ai won't be trying to recreate traditional art anytime soon with all the resources that would take(having some kind of fake limb that could draw things with pencil and paper).
@@anunnacy I think a solution for selling art online is just sending it through delivery to the person. A problem with this though is that drawings like that could be just printed ai art. Maybe a program gets invented specifically to recreate the bumps of oil paintings or roughness and texture of watercolor. Send the ai art to the person and if he checks if it's legit, he'll think it is because there's clearly a texture to the "painting". The only solution to this is to just make the person come to the artist's house, watch the artist draw, and get the drawing from there.
This breakes my heart:( why isn't anyone doing anything? Can we even do anything? Anyways this was a great video your so underrated!
What would you suggest we do? The professional field has been quietly using narrow AI for over 15 years now. Such things a procedural terrain. The Planet of the Apes movies used AI to procedurally generate forests. No modelers or artist were required. It was all generated with math. It may have recently hit the mainstream but we are already waist high in AI. it is in every movie you like and every TV show that you adore. You just don't know about it unless you work professionally in VFX. AI didn't just materialize in 2023. Best we can hope for now is the tech bros get bored and move on to the next shiny thing.
If you want to fight AI, you have to step into politics. Form a guild or a union and put pressure on your local politicians. This is how TikTok is scheduled to be banned: people put pressure on lawmakers, and lawmakers make laws to eliminate whatever their voters don't like.
@@baiwuli6781 You can't ban a technology as ubiquitous as AI. It is too big and integrated into too many things now, and as i mentioned, it has been around for far longer than people realize. 3D CGI have been using AI tools for over 15 years. Besides there are tons of applications for it that are genuinely useful that were impossible to achieve before and don't infringe on the professions of artists. They just don't get talked about. For example back in 2018 Peter Jackson restored WWI footage and released a movie called They Shall Not Grow Old. That used AI to extrapolate frames, fill in missing information, upscale the resolution and colourize everything. It would have been impossible without the use of AI.
What we need maybe are incentives for businesses that retain artists on their payroll. Punish the ones that are replacing their staff with AI.
it’s sad we literally can’t do anything at this point because it’s like everyone who has the power to do something cares enough
@@baiwuli6781that idea you have is smart idea
the thing that AI will NEVER do, is an oc, no matter if one copy paste the prompts of their very nice unique oc it will Never be looking the same, always different hair clothes body detail, a comic, an animation Nope, AI only makes portraits, be doing characters from bigger franchises or backgrounds. Also artists are doing more tricks lol like writting in their speedpaints or drawing funny stuff between them.
So as I always say AI programs need Obligatory Watermarks!! if they claim to want to help people and not doing any harm.. they Should put a Huge big watermark in the middle of the results! it's an extra publicity so why not?
I just hate the developers for making this because they really thought " oh a bunch of scammers uses ai art as their own and struggle with the speedpaints cuz they dont know how to actually draw the pieces... lets help them."
ban it plz like it dont just stop here, ai videos will be used to scam people in any field not just art. i keep finding ai images/videos to promote things in the wild like ads, stories for kids, small shows and events. it sucks that artists and people who likes art gets to feel this first but everyone else will be a target too.
For reals. Everytime I listen to music, for some reason my suggested videos area which I usually use to go to the next song, which is usually filled with the other songs I normally listened to after that particular song, but now it's filled to the brim promoting ai "music" with ai generated images.
Why??
I've had to hit "dont recommend channel" so many times fml.
@@googleyoflolz9930 Somebody should make some kind of extension that blocks Topic Channel videos with under 100 views, because that would reliably filter the AI out I think.
I agree they need to ban this. It's literally not even good to keep..and wasn't there a literal news artical that said 'The e-waste produced by AI technology poses a serious environmental challenge. E-waste contains hazardous chemicals, including lead, mercury, and cadmium, that can contaminate soil and water supplies and endanger both human health and the environment.' Like?? Why keep it?!
The sad ai cat stories 😭
Worse are AI generated search results because it just hallucinates stuff and can give some super dangerous info
"AI art is superior to real artists!!" Yeah? Then why are you trying to imitate being a real artist?
@Shadowsnhd Straight up facts
@Shadowsnhd You're overthinking it, I'm just using it to make money lol
EXACTLY
@@Smug-Smirk no brother, there's a difference here. They're jealous, you're just scamming, it's different. Not that I'm scam shaming anyone here, that's your problem
@@urubudopix976 Artists have been the ones scamming people for ages with overpriced commissions, that's why no one cares that they're losing jobs to AI now, I'm just giving my clients a good value proposition, that's why they keep returning lol
This is heart shattering. The years ive put into art. Just for it to be taken for granted by AI bitches. I havent ever seen your channel before, but you seem like a very sweet person. Take care.
No one is able to take away your art, don't let them be proud of your sadness
They only “take away” your art if you ALLOW them to. They’re bitches just like you said, but if you let said AI bitches discourage you and ruin your love and drive to create real art, that makes you one, too, minus the AI.
I know it feels awful, but you can’t let that happen.
Forget them AI programs. Your art will always be a lot more special and better than what an AI program could ever produce. I too am upset about this AI situation as a beginning artist (who doesn’t really have good art anyways) but I ask you to keep the same saying in mind that I keep. At least you’re putting in more effort and actually trying than the AI people
Joke's on them. They're not replacing artists, they're replacing themselves. You still have a skill set you can continue to grow, so keep working on it. Them on the other hand... They'll only somewhat learn how to use shortcuts. And shortcuts can only get you so far. They will stagnate.
I'm not an artist, but as a programmer I know how you feel, so much effort perfecting your craft just to have generative AI come in and effectively replace you
I still refuse to use AI though, I'll write every gosh dang line myself until the day I die, that way I can actually be proud of the things I make
I really hate everything about AI. The fact it diminishes the human experience in art and creativity, the looming implications about how we will perceive reality…. I just don’t think it offers enough benefits outside of research applications to justify it as an open source tool like this. When it’s used more as a “calculator” I understand it’s function. Needing to quickly process information that would otherwise take ages to compute manually makes loads of sense. But for content and the arts? For social interactions??? The lingering thought I’m having is in the near future we won’t be able to trust ANYTHING we see or hear unless it’s in person (and even then I doubt we will remain confident). I foresee things becoming so tainted with “generated reality” that we will start preferring our own individualized augmented realities, choosing to be in them more than real life. Someone said something difficult to you that you didn’t like? That’s ok I’ll just remove them entirely from my digital world. There’s a person you have a huge crush on who would never date you IRL? That’s ok I’ll just make a digital version of them that loves me exactly how I want.
… I’m hoping we don’t choose that reality for ourselves... Maybe there will be a mass exodus from the internet as we know it today to something different in the coming years. Perhaps in person experiences will become more valuable. All I know is many people seem to hate it just as much as I do, and that gives me tremendous hope. I think Artists and creators like you who speak up about this is vital. Don’t stop fighting for humanity. Share your perspective and keep creating! We need authenticity now more than ever. ❤🎨🎼✍️
Yall, idk if it will work, but lets just write "i am human" somewhere on our canvas and leave it there until we finish the project until we finish the drawing. Usually AI struggles with words so it MAY work. If it doesn't, we can also just spam the view and unview on a layer for a while so it lasts a second or more on the autogenerated speed paint. Maybe combine both?
That, or put a image of a meme somewhere on ur canvas until you finish the drawing
Interesting idea 🤔
Or randomly add a blur effect then take it off
Having some kind of signature "thing" that you do could probably help. If every artist does something weird occasionally during their speedpaints (randomly inverting the colors, drawing a shitty neon pink mustache, w/e) then that'd be 1) confusing to the AIs training on it and 2) incredibly difficult to get an AI to do the same out-of-pocket alteration consistently. The whole point of AI "art" is to be lazy, so why not do something that is both fun and absolutely maddening to convincingly replicate?
This wouldn't work since the user of the AI generated images would just manually write it over the image
Something said by the Artist Boris said, always stuck with me. "I am never more then 50% satisfied with anything I paint."
He said this, in reference (or in connection with) the fact that when he paints, the paintings often decide they want to go in a completely different direction then he originally envisioned.
And it seems true with other good artists. They start with an idea, but allow the art to decide it's own direction.
Artists: "Ah, actually I think this painting wants to say something else. Lets explore this change"
AI:"Different Artstyle owo?"
i have the same epiphany too; things just don’t go into my plan. instead of me just throwing everything out, i’d embrace it and see where it leads me
It's really has only one purpose to scam people :(( pretty sad
But on the bright side, anyone can avoid the scam by doing a little bit of homework.
I know right? Like ai images are really cool, I think it was a cool idea. I mean it has a lot of potential for harm, but also a lot of potential for good. But this is just pure evil
@McJorneil unfortunately there are too many people unwilling to do homework...
@@DeadpurpleflowerI probably could use an example of the good you speak of.
@@EnriqueLaberintico references for real art, just for fun, ideas, and background art
When I first thought this, there were two things that popped into my head:
First, it's impressive how far the tech has come.
Second, those people using it are so pathetic.
I understand the type who would feel pride in this. They relish praise from achievements but have no interest in putting in any work to gain it, none. They will overemphasise their small efforts while disparaging the actual effort to do a task as nothing special. They are the "singers" who lipsync another persons song. They are the "writers" who buy or steal another person's story. They are the "athlete" who uses her family connections to knock a qualified runner out of a race to embarrass herself on the world stage (this happened with a Somalian team). They are pathetic.
They will never know the true joy of creation, and knowing they are nothing without that program will always eat away at their soul. Plus, they just showed why art is valued: because a person creates it.
Wait what??? Did they put THEMSELVES on the race untrained?? What did they expect would happen?
Well and eloquently spoken nugget of truth
frequently i see some AI defenders argumenting that AI generators learn like artists learn, that is, observing and learning from other people's work. as a Software Developer, and an Artist, i can say:
AI learns patters from pixels and attributes them to Tokens, you type the tokens and the AI does its best to reverse this process, and by that i mean that the AI has an generalizated batched MEMORY (which is the model) of pictures and their description, so the AI just learnt every concept it could and memorized its patterns, and it matches your input with the best match in the model.
AI generators are just function to generate random numbers (noise), but refined and tuned to attend to our patterns, but they cannot escape from a single universal concept no computer can scape, and as like any computer sciencie dude knows: Any random number generator which is ran algorithmically will eventually loop, it will never generate unique numbers forever, this is impossible for ANY algorithms.
And what i mean by all of this? Every image you generate with AI already exists inside the model, not literally, but it's optimized in a way it can fit LOTS of batched images, Everyting you type for input is just a seed which will be used to find the best match it was trained for. and the proof of all i've said is that if you use the same model and same inputs (including Seed, resolution, batch algorithm etc) to generate a image, it will ALWAYS be the SAME IMAGE, this is a FACT.
And you know what's funny? this will NEVER happen in any other form of art, traditional, digital ( even incluing cameras ),
and this only happens because the end output of our art depends on every little eletric signal our brain send to our muscles, the brain produces tens of billions of operations per second, we've been in the deepest places of our seas, we've been outside the earth, we made quantum computers, yet we've not managed to fully understand our own brain.
This peculiarity acts every second in non AI related ART, and that's what makes it unique, yet, per chance, a language model could reproduce exactly your prompt and pass it to an AI generator, and generate the EXACT same piece as you were going to generate and type.
And finally, AI only learn from humans, humans learn from humans and the reality, which is not an algorithm, we can touch, we can feel, we can be infinitely creative.
The fact that most AI "advancements" are focused on art is a symptom of it being unable to do ANYTHING else properly, it doesn't solve any problem whatsoever, its literaly NFT's 2.0, and its only a matter of time to stop working, crushed by its own weight
I mean it can write code pretty well, mostly because it lifts code straight from Stackoverflow and other places. Generally what I find AI most useful for is giving me options to solve a problem, and then I can research those options myself to find the one that best suits my needs. That or using AI to learn programs, like "how do I do X in Blender" where X is a very specific thing I am not sure how to google or know what the name of the tool to solve that is called. It's very good for things like that
AI can do lots of other stuff. Making "art" is just the "coolest" thing it can do. No one but programmers are impressed by AI writing code, no one but chemists are impressed by AI doing chemistry stuff, no one but doctors are impressed by AI assisting with medical diagnoses. But everyone can be impressed by AI making cool images.
@@DreamyAileen Honestly it's probably the opposite for AI "art", people who aren't artists are impressed but artists aren't
@@MaxonerousX It can't write code well tho. It usually over complicates your code and you end up with a ton of errors, unnecessary frameworks and code that uses depreciated functions. The real issue could have been a typo but most LLMs will ignore details like that.
Saying this from experience, you're better off going on reddit, an active forum or discord for help or better yet, a friend group that's good with problem solving.
@@MaxonerousX it seems like AI will stop soon to give many options, if we talk about generating images. AI generated images leaked back to the training databases, which led to less variety in results. That was preventable if
1) AI images were properly marked instead of mimicking "the real thing";
2) building learning databases were ethical and with permission of copyright owners, instead of silently auto vacuuming all available images.
The second point is time and money consuming, which would make AI development much slower and we wouldn't see an explosive popularity in that case, but that would solve a building up problem of poisoning data
Thanks for bringing it to our attention. It’s disgusting how they cannibalize our art..
I can twist my mind to the point of understanding why people would generate images, sometimes you just want to see and share an interesting idea that you don't have the resources to make. But i can't even make a good defense for why i would make fake art processes that doesn't involve bad intentions.
It's all to scam and get money by doing as little as possible.. :/
I understand generating the images themselves, I don't understand claiming it as your own work.
If anything, it's a tool to conceptualize things, but it's not really an art form.
Why do people even want to generate “Speedpaints”? Is this to just deceive people? I see no benefits for anyone other than people receiving clout.
Yes like why else does this exist?? 😅
I believe this is for “fanarts” tournaments to win prizes since sometimes you need to verify your drawing or you will be disqualified.
You summed it up better than I did. My thoughts as someone who used AI and can draw:
1) It is embarrassing. The speedpaints aren't even correct, they're timelapses and you can tell they're fake so why bother pretending you can actually draw? AI generaist been bragging that they can the do the same thing with the push of a button but now they want to go... backwards?
2) "Prompt Engineering" is a bull**** soon to be obsolete skill. I use AI like SD, the Model and Lora do %90 of the work with minimal prompting. That's the point, prompting is redundant work and model makers build them with the training data to keep it to a minimum.
3) The reason you don't understand why people do this is WEALTH. Whether its money or attention, other people who look at what successful artists have that they don't, need a way to get to where they by making up for lost time e.g. They don't care about the process, they care about the results. Its a different mindset than traditional craftsmanship where the PROCESS is very important.
As an artist there’s so many giveaways that they’re not real, for example how it builds up a more rendered colour style then boom it’s suddenly cell shaded. Details suddenly being very different without the new one being redrawn ( the Kaworu in the kimono for example, his face is practically finished then suddenly changes to the final form) but I can 100% see how non-artists would be completely fooled.
Honestly I’m just waiting for the hype around AI to burn out like it did with NFTs, the models are already cannibalising themselves (I.e. training on their own output) so it’s only a matter of time until they get diminishing returns.
Ok, workaround tricks to proof legitamency of your art (mostly because long screen recordings in the app aren't viable for me), show pictures unmerged layers that aren't possible for ai to create since they don't seem compentent at backgrounds or underlying colours and show the speedpaint in the app since you have control over it. I'd recomended phone images/recordings of these for further legitamancey since who would go out of their way to fake that? Seriously it's an issue that this can happen now but it can only do so much to reality, so we should be exploiting that
Also, just leave references in your drawings and timelapses. AI videos won't be able to keep that reference image consistent, and AI images won't be able to generate a reference image that is actually related to the drawing.
@@bluejay43 i draw semi realistic art with my reference directly in the background, so there's no way an ai would be able to keep up with an image on the screen without making it look weird
I paint almost every bit of my paintings on one layer (no merging). 🤣But honestly, I couldn't care less if people wanna see "receipts" to proof that my art isn't AI. I just ignore or sass these kinda people.
@@dhabitahpunki feel like that would be fair for someone commissioning me to ask, but there are other ways still to document your process so idk
I feel this is really telling on the ‘ai’ bros. Who desperate and lazy they are to beak into the artist field and lie through their teeth. They want to be seen as an artist but they don’t want to have fun and learn how to draw. I feel we need to be kinder to new artist as well to make them more comfortable “failing at art” and not being afraid to show their begging art journey. Everyone has to start somewhere. Shout out to the ‘ai’ bros who pieced up a pencil and learnt how to actually draw. I have seen a lot of them breaking free from ai and actually create something.
I feel this type of ai and technology is just to scam people. Or be used to make horrible and dangerous content. We need stronger laws against it. And I personally is quiet uncomfortable of the ‘open ai’ aspect whit what kind of photos are in there. Along how bad for the environment it is to generate this. Because ai generative video, picture and (stolen) voices is not it.
Have you ever heard of Dead Internet Theory? It was something I never took seriously, because that couldn’t explain every video and every personal interaction online, But with this, I think we may get to a point where people will go full days without talking to an actual person or watching an actual person’s videos.
Considering they're also training AI off peoples personal messages and comments, it wouldn't surprise me if we eventually find social media flooded with AI bots. Not sure how they'll make money from lack of ad views though... I guess the bots will watch the ads?
@@McJorneil Bots wouldn't buy things so the advertisers wouldn't make money, which would result in the advertisers not paying for ads. Eventually, if they try to remove any sort of humanity it all comes crashing down.
@@aperson9973 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. The more they push AI, the more skeptical I become in its validity.
Let me tell you this. We hear a lot about how art is not an essential pursuit. It’s not a real job. Blablabla, words used to belittle and undermine artist’s role in society. But art IS important, it helps shape our culture. I do believe that there is an entity out there who are trying to crush creative spirits in people and do whatever it takes to do so, and AI is one. They can write, design, paint, basically anything in creative field. But those are all illusions, they are inorganic, they are not real creativity, they’re just a bunch of data collected from us. We can create, they can only generate.
Artists are powerful, they influence culture, they encourage creative, out of the box thinking, we are harder to control, we dare to question, and take routes that are out of the regular. Powerful people don’t want that. They want control, they want to dumb people down, and numb our curiosity. Keep on fighting guys, keep on creating, don’t let these AI gimmicks break your spirits, don’t submit to it. We need to empower each other more than ever. I’m not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but looking at how the world is slowly turning against everyday people’s favor, and the powerful became more greedy, you have to know what’s up. Never give up.
💯
Slowly? I'd say rapidly at this point.
@@sasukeslastramennoodle1763 sadly true…😂
The guy painting the water color tree has a magic paintbrush.
so tired i didnt even realize this lmaoo
Oh my god.. This video hurt my heart, but still, it's inevitable.
(Long text alert and possibly rant, sorry)
I saw about this "AI speedpaint " a few days ago on Twitter, of course, in an argument of one knowing less than the other, that this would be good to avoid "gatekeeping art and helping people who have limitations to do so" but then I remember that there are blind artists, artists who don't move a part of their body, artists who has to do the impossible to put effort on what they love. Honestly, lying about your competence to feel proud of something you didn't do is sad, even more so if you bully someone thinking you're superior to them.
Is lazyness a disability now?... Also why would a blind person ever use AI art, they have less means of checking if the AI did what they invisioned, than if they just do it themselves.
AI defenders using the gatekeeping card is just sad.
@@asealoce3818 agree.. it's like empty arguments..
There are literally artists with no limbs who still paint masterpieces. It was never about helping the disabled
The thing that gives away the ai speedpaint is the strange color switching on the rendering sketch part, also some of the details look to muddy like a ai made it
I will say, it's a very interesting (mis)use of AI. Like, I can appreciate the curiosity of "huh, I wonder if this is possible" but actually making this available or even giving other people the idea to make this themselves is plain malicious. And I'd bet quite a bit of money that the training data wasn't used with permission of the creators.
These ai speed paints are somehow even more chaotic then my drawing process as an a adhd riddled artist
Adhd is not a personality trait
this is the perfect video to give a shoutout to cara, i recently made an account. it's like instagram but BETTER! they have a statement saying that AI can be useful but right now it's being done unethically, artists have a right to their own work, and that it should be regulated. they dont allow AI scrapers or any third parties to steal artwork. i highly recommend it!!!
As long as you have original files for the project you can easily prove that you drew the piece. If you suspect that a speedpaint is AI generated ask OP what program they used to draw it and if they can send a screenshot of the layers to prove that it was a real piece
Also, I could be wrong but I feel like when doing this yourself you would ideally take the picture with another device and your own hand/piece of paper Reddit style. Because then they can't just take your screenshots and use them to steal your art. Cause hands are also really diverse so if someone has a different hand everytime it wouldn't work. 😂
with all the people suggesting that we ban it, the best thing we can do is possibly “sign” something as a community and reach out to bigger creators to ask them to help bring their attention to it. in the US, if I remember correctly, with enough signers we can use it to show perhaps a politician or someone bigger that hey! we care about this topic too! and perhaps have some legal work done.
correct me if i’m wrong, though. and please add suggestions in the replies!
Guess all we can do now is show the whole process with no editing in between? I doubt an AI generator will be powerful enough for awhile to be able to keep it consistent while showing us drawing for 2-8 hours straight.
Just use a watermark from your art program if the ai copies it the company can be sued.
This is genuinely horrifying. I guarantee so many people out there are going to be accused of AI and have no one believe them, even if they show people a speedpaint over and over
I want to be an art teacher and I think that if I ever get to teach a digital art class, I’d have certain requirements in place to prevent AI cheating. (Such as, for example with procreate, submitting the projects as a procreate file, so I can clearly see it was worked on in the app.)
If a kid creates such high quality image they most likely cheated
Dear artists, remember that "value" comes from rarity. If literal 2 years old can generate images using text prompts etc, then those so called "AI artists" already lost the battle of relevency.
I know it is scary. But then again, simply turn off their computers, those scammers are left with *nothing* in their hands. N o t h i n g.
No, but that's the thing see, because companies are already using AI generated images in their products, promotions etc to avoid paying actual artists. The people who have been studying, working, all towards a career as an artist they are practically doomed.
You sound like an NFT bro, 'value comes from rarity' lol.
And you're even getting the uno reverse of the 'right click save' jokes you were doing now, how ironic.
the primal rage i felt when opening this video...
Omg I am so scared
Womp womp
2:43 ibispaint has this aswell
Quite useful, you can even stop the recording, copy what you have at the moment and make a copy
I bis also has a function in which the speed paint shows all the effects and layers you use. It's pretty easy to switch to that type of speed paint.
@Ollieve_Roo Really? Ive been using ibis for a while and I never knew that. I always enjoy watching my speedpaints come together. How can I turn that on? I think itd look cool
@@TurtleMaster803 I'm pretty sure you have to manually do it for every individual artwork. The way I figured out how to do it is by going to the specific canvas I want to save the time-lapse of, click on the "i" icon that brings up the "artwork Information" and go down to where it says "Video type". The default option is "view fixation", but if you switch it to "with window", then it'll show the layers when watching the speedpaint and yada yada
pretty epic
@@Valaclara Ooh! Thankies! I'mma try that!
Edit: I tried it and my zoom-ins were so unreal 🤣 I was like, "I zoom in that much (around 2000%+)?!"
It's not easy on the eyes, ngl, but because of AI speedpaints, I'd rather put up this timelapse format than be accused of doing AI art.
@@Valaclara yep, I was gonna say that. Ty for saving me from typing all that lol
Wow, I had no idea. Usually comments say to record your process, but i guess that's not proof anymore if this gets popular. I'd be convinced seeing the videos until i learn the new ai quirks. But I grinned everytime your drawings came up, waching you create those amazing, unique characters is so satisying and joyful. Keep creating. :) A machine can never copy that.
This scares me even more, and there are people who are saying this isn't wrong??? Like, what other proposals does this AI "help" with other than just pretending to be an artist???? Our only way of showing that we are really artists was by showing our speedpaints (and we have to do that a lot because allegations of using AI are happening a lot) man, this is really so scary...
Womp womp
@@QuanNguyen-me8tc okay kid.
This technology is a literal dystopian nightmare.... 😞
@Shadowsnhdprobably already happening
this is just straight-up predatory, it's pathetic, to make a program that makes your art into a speed paint, I'm sure they'll be charging a subscription for it too
Why pay artists when you can pay AI monthly, right... 😑
Yeah it really says alot about a person that they are willing to pay for an inferior product instead of paying for a high quality product. They claim that artists are somehow holding art hostage because we don't work for free, yet they are paying to create AI trash! X'D They can try to delude themselves all they want, but the more they try to mimic us, the more apparent it becomes that they desperately wish they could be us, but they still trash talk us? That's called being a jealous hater! On every video where Ai is discussed there's a hoard of AI bros in the comments saying the most crazy shit, being in heavy denial about AI being trash etc. And then you realize what kind of people it is that use AI...
@@backupforthevideos3861 They'll be out of business because no sane person would pay for it, especially in a crappy economy.
Yeah there's literally no reason for such a tool to exist other than deceiving people, pathetic
And it's also funny, cause generative AI has yet to turn in a profit
Right now the seemingly infinite money going into the fiel is all based of speculation
And AI is very expensive to run
Some time the rubber gotta touch the road
So there are some things we can do as artists to prove our work is our own if a full screen recording is out of the question.
1. Obviously, showing each individual layer from start to finish screenshots or a short screen record flipping through each layer.
2. Creating a layer specifically for naming and showing each brush that you use.
3. Writing the name of each layer overtop the piece as you work on it on the same layer you’re working on, then using the eraser tool to erase it once you move on.
4. In a random point of time in your piece, writing something against AI after turning off all your layers and erasing it manually so the Timelapse captures it.
Just a few things I can think of at this point.
Wow, another great year to being an artist, am I right guys
On a.i. accounts, i just tend to block them if i notice them on my feed. Also on my post, at the endnof the tags. I add three random tags as well
Yeah I do the same, I block them - when I see them recommended in my feed AND also when they're following me. ick them out right away and block.
Btw what do you mean with the random tags? What does it do?
i have a slight solution to this issue for now. artists can screen record them going onto a drawing from the app home which displays other artworks they have made and then start watching the speedpaint. why would ai users take time in trying to make an ai replicate the process of actually clicking on the artwork and starting the speedpaint.
You're talking about something that would add like an extra, what, ten minutes to the process, when some of these people are literally spending hours re-generating images just to get versions as good(??) as the ones they're posting. Time is not really the constraining factor, here. Effort is.
This crazy news just keeps coming like a new wave of aliens and their bosses from Space Invaders...
i am so tempted to put my actual art in there to see how much of a stroke i can make it have
given what it's trained off of, and given my art style, it would NAWT last long
P.S! Ibis Paint also has an automatic speedpaint feature. I will be comparing speedpaints if I go thru with it
It's really interesting seeing the difference between intellect and knowledge. The AI knows that artists lighten the layers and make sketches, but it doesn't know why. So the timelapses look disjointed as a result.
Someone have accused me of using Ai and I said I have a speed paint but they didn't believe me because they think I made the speed paint with Ai it's so frustrating Idk maybe our last resort is to show layers? I so done with ai,
Hatsune Miku AI in the thumbnail... that's so sad
Miku chan would never approve of this!
Ironically Miku herself is a robot 😅
@@lolaholliday no not really
@@Hatsune-Miku_Fantrue, as a miku fan
@@lolaholliday yeah, true, but she ain't ai, she's a robot, but only used as an outlet for HUMAN art
There's a difference
@@KitKat_kittykat Yeah, she's more a "pencil" imo, rather than a thing that does the whole job. You still have to make the song/speech yourself
yes, and also other types of speed paints, mostly a type where it only records the strokes you do on the canvas (it doesn't record erasures tho), so like it takes a picture of ur canvas in every stroke you do. There's also another one which you can actually custom your record, let's say, record canvas in every 10 seconds, so it will only take a pic of what u did every 10 secs, so if u put that as a video, it's a very speedy speedpaint coz its flashing certain progresses instead of the whole timelapse. I find myself more comfortable with recording the whole screen 1) for authenticity of the experience and 2) most practical and easy to manage.
That's interesting, I wasn't aware of that kind of speedpaint also?? 😆
I hate how people abuse AI. Its actually a pretty awesome and useful tool that can help you to improve. But everyone just uses it to do the work for them.
I genuinely believe a lot of these AI artists are convinced they’re real artists too. They get upset when people steal their “art” and copy or repost it, I’ve even heard they get mad at others for “stealing” their AI generated designs, it all comes back full circle kind of how like the real art community is. The only thing is that these ones are deluded into thinking they’re genuinely making something real.
I hate it though,,
the 1 thing that will cause a large problem for ai is the ai itself, soon the ai will start inbreeding just like in the 1500 or smt they will just start looking uncanny and weird
also that theres always atleast 1 sideproject in the middle of a drawing
For real, as much external damage as it’s causing, AI art theft is speedrunning sowing the seeds of its own downfall over anything else.
That is already happening.
So what are the tech bros thinking we humans are going to work with when they finished removed all the creative fields by making them redundant as anyone with zero skills and understanding can make what used to require actual skills. Are the only types of work that the people that do them actually want to do and likes to do really the ones we shall try to remove completely the first chance we get. What future are we heading towards. One where humans work amazons warehouses and sweep dirt of the street for minimal money while robots make artwork, writing, filmmaking, videogame development, music, acting, etc all based on the textmessages witten by a talentless dude that is into crypto and out for fast cash
BRO IM SO MAD WHY IN HELL?
I hate that all of these small companies popping up creating apps/tools like these and there is NOONE stopping them and NO CONSEQUENCES for these people who obviously actively destroy a whole creative work field for everyone in it including professionals. And it's not even just us as 2D Artists, it's also 3D Artists (and I bet there's someone who is faking the process of those too). And many more (including the music industry etc etc..) It's like noone that HAS the power to make change, takes this big topic/problem as serious as they should! And bc of that I feel like the people in power also don't understand how FAST this problem grows and what it can lead to. But yeah... ranting and worrying unfortunately doesn't get us anywhere... so yeah... I think we can only continue to speak out against it loud and clearly(!) and continue focusing on our very own journey and what we wanna do. While crossing fingers, that this whole stupid chaos will SOMEHOW slowly flatten out and things will get back to "normal" in the near future.
Sometime ago I've heard a great analogy for AI art: "It's like building your own sandwich at Subway and insisting that you're the chef because you were the one who chose what you'd like to see at the end."
this!
I usually say
"It's like asking my artist friend to draw me something very specifically, for free, then claiming that it's mine and I made it because I gave that friend the instructions"
Want to know what's crazy? Even AI hates AI art I just asked AI if they hate AI art and they said yes imagine being so bad even AI itself is ashamed.
It seems to also try and make a fully rendered character before settling on cell shading…
There’s even points where the whole face and body seem to move and switch styles completely AFTER the line and flat colour is done
Which i know some artists do but… not like that
Time to start asking artists to show their layers since the speedpaints are being faked now... 😢
Baseless accusations should be ignored.
5:28 ive seen digital painting vids where actual artists go through a bunch of diff versions of the background before they settle on a final one, it seems to be imitating that
As someone who doesn't know how to draw backgrounds and literally throws in like a million background ideas till I'm satisfied and then I keep moving from there most of the time
Haha
I'm in danger
@@KitKat_kittykatsame 😭i always have like 3 different scrapped poses around the canvas
It was to be expected, it was the next natural progression, a "if it's possible, it will happen" deal. I just hoped it wouldn't be so soon... The fact it can do sketches so convincingly...
There's basically no way to prove a picture is human-drawn anymore. What with video AI too, even filmed speedpaints and .psd or .sai files will probably soon be computer generated. What the hell. AI is _incredibly_ useful in business, especially in tech and research but the absolute blight it has become on the profession as an artist. I do feel bad for those persuing the career, it really has become rough I am sure.
The fact that not even traditional artists are safe from this is terrifying to me.
IM SORRY, WHAT?
6:12 I have an answer you're not going to like. The answer is yes, people are embarrassed they have no talent so they fake it. Back in the 80s you could order a cell antenna for your car that comes with a fake phone so when you're parked at a red-light and people see you on your fake phone they think you're important, because the only people who owned cellphones were CEOs and business owners. Yeah you heard that right, so that people you may never see again think that you're a big wig. I have no idea why people need to impress complete strangers, either.
Honestly, the first use I personally thought of when I saw this was using the AI generated "early speedpaint stages" as a starting point for drawing over. I'm very good at spotting mistakes, so I think it could be interesting and fun to 'correct' an AI image and not having to start with a blank canvas
8:50 Bro with this one you can even see the resizing of the sketch and the reposition of the mouth
Notice the mouth got "repositioned"... but it never got drawn in the first place! It just appeared out of nowhere. All the lines did.
@@Nassifehpretty much the whole face, tbh
Just why is this a thing?? This isn't about creating AI Art anymore, It's to literally trick other people into thinking you did something you didn't. That's craaaazy.
This is why I am strictly a traditional artist a long time ago now. Unless it is for personal fun doing digital rarely, I only draw traditionally, you cant fake a physical original
So many images I have drawn that I would want to scan and do this with.
This is probably a bigger thing at the moment because ai video generation is still really early and bad but giving it input and output images seems to be working much better, especially for anime type animation prediction.
I've never understood the artists obsession with owning their art, have pride sure, but many are obsessed. Many algorithims that digital artists use are created by people who really want art for the sake of art and liscense their "art" (programs they create) as a free liscense for others to modify however they like. This code is a form of art.