The way that you can’t tell Douglas is gay because he doesn’t make it a defining part of his identity is the way I wish being black was. It matters so little to who I am. There are so many better things to build your identity around other than your race or sexuality.
He's basically implementing real equality in that he acts like straight people like myslef act about their sexuality. Like nobody cares. But the current obsession with sexual, racial and whatever minorities is just overcompensation after centuries of opression and most people will end up somewhere similar to Dougy, eventually. With colorful edge cases which is how things should be.
Absolutely! I watched loads of his stuff before l was aware he was gay and I thought the same as you- non issue and far less of interest than what he has to say.
Surely that was the whole point of the civil rights movement, on which I am no expert. You make a good point, and as I write that i realize that it should not be necessary to say so.
Yeah he says that and then goes and writes an article on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. Really tackling the big issues that the average person cares about
@@MatthewRao-ht4rp You think he might have been using some sarcasm there to make point bud? Also, since he is from England, maybe what's happening with those two ARE of much more importance to him and them as a country. Not for the tabloids like it is in the US, but perhaps it really does matter to him/them in a much more meaningful way. Did you think of it that way, or IF (don't think I'm pigeon-holing you now) you're from America, does everyone else just obviously think like you?
@@MatthewRao-ht4rp You just didn't see the importance of the point he made, as you were too busy celebrity gawking right past it. Nobody cares about Harry and Meghan. But people care about the renewal of traditional good behaviours in their cultural avatars. Harry is going around claiming to be a British icon, whilst behaving like a person Britain thinks is human garbage and requesting the taxpayer foots the bill for this!! THAT is the thing the article was about, but you were too busy cooing to the MSM framework to see it. Go and read it again. If you read it properly I guarantee you won't think it's concerned with menial bullshit like who Megan Markle is currently fucking with.
@@mikereilley5672 A) I'm not from America. B) Murray lives in America (New York specifically because of course he can't stand liberals), and as such, most of his columns are about the US scene. C) You can't contradict yourself that quickly - by saying "he was using sarcasm" and then in the next sentence say that it was a massive issue for him - and still consider yourself an intelligent person. D) Murray, and many others like him, go on about how "they dont have any more time to waste on LGBTQ nonsense", and yet they spend 90% of their time railing against it, and the rest of it shitting on immigrants or some non-issue like Prince Harry. The simple fact is, most sane people are just not that obsessed with trans people and think that at a time when the largest land war in Europe since WW2 is occuring, maybe a trans swimmer in Philly is not THE most important issue facing Western civilisation.
I never felt the need to do that either. I never once attended a gay pride, because there are other things I feel proud of, the things that actually took a lot of work to accomplish.
The thing I don’t understand, as a French who lives in a country that is supposedly, a socialist country, is why, why so much disgust from him and most english speaking cultures, for socialism, as if it was equivalent to communism. Is my country such a bad exemple of society? (I mean, since Macron, or should I say since Sarkozy, it’s definitely a fiasco, but NOT because of our socio-economical model, rather because of the EU that is destroying it). I would truely like to understand.
@@mary-gael7633 I suspect it is much to do with different definitions of 'socialist'. For example, some would say that the UK has a socialist government and has done for a long time. Compare its welfare and NHS with USA, for example.
Douglas is right. All the people who talk about equality and kindness never talk about fairness. Whether it's discriminating against your political opponents or giving a protected class preferential treatment, the one thing that they don't stand for is a single standard of conduct that applies equally to everyone. Having power is more important to these people than fairness.
Also Douglas should know that it's mostly men of violence who come to the table and write the peace protocols. In reality I don't agree the ira were on its knees anymore than the violent murderous loyalists or the army who became a huge part of the problem. He seems to discount the years of being second class citizens in your own country by a system set up to ensure you get nothing ever. Its much more nuanced than the niche view
You're an absolute retard if you call this man a genius. The populace of the west is truly so dumbed down these days. Incredible that you weren't ashamed to post this hyperbole, even more incredible 8 zombies backed you up. Clown
Unfortunately no one’s always great.. even Douglas holds views that on its face clash with perspectives he has on other views. His position on animal welfare for example. Not great.
@@antitheistvegan Sure hope you're not typing your comment on an electronic device that uses cobalt mined by literal slaves in the Congo to put forth something to inherently trite.
I asked ChatGPT to explain wokeism in the style of HP Lovecraft and this is what it gave me. Pretty much nailed it: "Beware, dear reader, for I am about to recount the grim and ghastly tale of a movement so insidious and terrifying, that it threatens to unravel the very fabric of our society. I speak, of course, of the dark and eldritch force known as "Wokism." This loathsome ideology creeps like a foul and shapeless horror, seeping into the minds of the unsuspecting and twisting them to its will. Its tendrils reach into every corner of our world, twisting language and perverting truth, until it becomes a mockery of all that is good and true. Its acolytes, the "woke," are fanatics who worship at the altar of social justice, driven mad by a feverish and relentless pursuit of an ever-shifting moral code. They seek to destroy all that we hold dear, to tear down the pillars of civilization and replace them with a monstrous new order. Their black rites are whispered in dark corners and secret gatherings, where they plot their next assault on our way of life. They demand the unthinking obedience of all who would dare to question their madness, and those who resist are cast into the abyss of the canceled, their names stricken from the annals of history. Beware, I say, for the tendrils of Wokism stretch ever outward, threatening to snuff out the light of reason and hope in our world. Pray that you may never fall under its sway, lest you too be consumed by the abyssal horror that is Wokism."
Indeed. I have found H.P. Lovecraft comforting for he acknowledged the madness in the world and the way humans seek to usher in horrors beyond understanding.
Take from ChatGPT AI with a grain of salt, the code is still a woke toaster. Ask it to tell you a sexists joke about Women vs a Sexist joke about men. you'll find the former is not appropriate where the subsequent is fine and dandy.
I really appreciate Douglas Murray's point of view. He probably wouldn't call it courageous but I appreciate his courage to speak on the topics that are contraversial. He is so well spoken and thoughtful.
@@parko1965 Anyone who doesn't carry the "card" - in his case, and by his own admission being gay. He gets away with speaking truth that in the UK might put a pregnant mother (yes - it happened) in jail.
@@123prestolee Yes, I agree but also would like to see him 10 or 20 years from now. Burning himself in the fury of current fires might not be in the best interest of future endeavour. Everyone with a tongue is tackling this recent shit-show, so from a tactical perspective I'd prefer to see one of our big guns brace himself for the inevitable insanity "they" have in store for us. Is the Doug "controlled opposition"? I surely hope not.
I adore Murray, one of my very favorite humans. He is a treasure and one of the most important intellectuals in the world. A spokesman for all the good of Western Culture. Love you all.
I am British but live in the French speaking part of Switzerland. I am happy to say that although everyone is aware of the LGBTQ trend, people here don't feel they are required to censor their own speech. It feels as though the British culture is just spiralling out of control into a direction that simply makes no sense at all. Douglas Murray is always a sober voice hopefully reminding some people that its okay to be normal!!!!
It’s on its way all over Europe. I read somewhere that the language needs to develop before it spreads into other cultures than the anglo world. Germany is certainly spearheading the spread into the German speaking world.
On the point of victimhood. As a grand child of holocaust survivors I have noticed that one of the greatest indicators of a trauma victim is the inability to see themselves as a victim since it is too difficult to process the emotions and still carry on. Whereas those claiming to be victims are often highly incapable of taking responsibility.....
That would likely be a coping mechanism as you wonderfully illustrated. Good note and acknowledgment. I will be the devils advocate and say people can still be victims and self aware of their turmoil, you just tend to see it more rarely i think. Usually when you think you see it, it’s someone masquerading for attention. I guess I say all that to say there are true victims who could technically fall under the self-victimization umbrella and abusers often use this as a stigma against them to maintain their victimization by getting them to distance from how bad things actually are. It can go from coping to control fairly quickly.
So true. It has taken me 50 years to speak about why I ran away from home. The slander of my mother and father telling everyone that I was pregnant. I was an Honor student . A teen Olympic contender. First time recipient of a Title IX award from the First Lady. I was in the band, an artist, a California State wide science award winner. But I could not cope with the trauma of my new Dad's lesbian daughter trying to force herself on me night after night. I became sleep deprived running out of my room at 2am because she would cone home high and drunk and force her way into my bedroom. I just didn't know what to say to my mother and my new Dad. They knew something was wrong. I asked my grandparents to live with them , but I didn't tell them about the sexual assaults. My parents were enraged, flipping out on me screaming at me, " ..you are not going to make me look like a bad parent by leaving.." I was strangled and slammed up against a stone wall. I was only interested in always being the very best person, athlete, scholar , daughter that I could be. I was only 14. When traumatized the last thing I ever wanted was to be seen as a victim, so you just get on with living.
Douglas Murray is a ray of sunshine. "I can't spend any more of my life being upset by morons". Essentially why I gave up listening to the BBC about a decade ago.
Douglas is just the best. Probably the most interesting person to listen to now that Hitch is gone. I appreciate his very poignant take on guns in America. He’s one of the only people that admits he doesn’t understand it and it’s not for him to tell another culture what to do. Great that they referred back to the hard lesson Piers had to learn on this. Murray is one of the brightest minds we have today and we’d do well to listen to him.
I needed that, Douglas. Writers, write. Stop worrying about the bellowing on Twitter and get on with it. This very tired writer needed this reminder and encouragement.
I only really found out who Douglas Murray was about three months ago and honestly: I wish I knew about him sooner. He is a fascinating human being with a wonderful way of thinking. So happy you had him on. Very great interview.
I love Douglases opinion on immigration. If I moved to France, I’d try to be as ‘French’ as possible. You can’t come here and start trying to instigate a protest against progressive laws. We should be able to ridicule religions since they are ridiculous.
Oh sure he does. Depends on what you mean by "left" and in what country you want to look for such a person. You do realize that in the USA, Douglas himself has a few talking points in common with the "right" at the moment, but he isn't exactly someone who would fit in at a MAGA rally. Apart from Muslim nations, nearly all countries are more 'left' than the US, whose "liberal democrats" are quaintly conservative by European and Asian standards, and likely some South American standards as well but I know too little about the political climate there to make any bold statements.
Fantastic to watch two excellent interviewers allowing their guest to answer their questions. DM was characteristically good of course but the hosts allowing him to speak was a perfect interview. Well done. 👏 ✔️ 👍 👌 😀
The story of the woman seeing her torturer on the street really hit home. The same thing happened to my 82 year old cousin. Same cousin told me he wears dentures because they knock out your teeth before they torture you so you don't bite off your tongue. They needed you to confess.
I understand when Douglas says he can't bear the murderers to be the men of peace. Northern Ireland was a civil war that should not have happened if civil rights had been given. Civil wars are extremely violent one on one as this was, no one escapes it. Wrong place wrong time could be deadly to all. Innocent people pay the price and 186 innocent children including babies were murdered in the troubles, republicans responsible for 43% and loyalist and British army responsible for 53%. Douglas seems to attribute most of it to the republicans and seems a little bitter about it. Maybe his friends are loyalists. All sides in that were to blame but it is usually the men of violence that come to the peace table and dictate terms. For the most part peace is there now of a kind anyway. In all conflicts its usually the men of violence who dictate terms and write the history. Once upon a time in Northern ireland, lost lives and lost voices are three programs from the peoples point of view with very little political overtones in them, and maybe a clearer view
Yes the teacher who was entirely left out in the cold by all the establishment still really annoys me today when it's just mentioned. The Government should have stepped in, the police should have got rid of the protesters, the teachers should have supported him in fact he was let down by everyone, cowards all!
When Hitch left us I feared we would never again see his equal, but I think Douglas Murray would have made him proud. I'm incredibly grateful for this splendid man.
Your point is well taken, but Hitchens was a lion when confronting Islam; or any religion for that matter. I’m not so sure that Douglas cares to go that far (not that I fault him).
@@lifemasterkris1865Douglas Murray was on the front lines taking it to Islam. How it's not compatible with western society, dude isn't weak on that issue.
Incredible how the average European brain has not gained a single ounce of intelligence since the year 2000 Truly a dead culture. You're bringing up Hitchens in 2023. Pro Bush pro Iraq war Hitchens, in 2023, as a standard. Utter retard brain. The west does not deserve it's standing nor do it's citizens deserve freedom. This level of stupidity and nihilism deserves slavery and subjugation alone.
For the first time in my long life, I fear that the US could collapse in my lifetime. And it will be just as we have always said... It will fall from within.
Could happen any day since 1776. From the British perspective it already did happen. I have lived with H-bombs all my life. Democrats tried to end the US in 1860 ... and still try every year since.
Abraham Lincoln said in 1838 that if all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa invaded America they will fail they will be stopped, he said if America falls and is destroyed it'll be from within, and sadly that's what's happening now 🤔 God bless America don't throw it all away 😔🇬🇧🇺🇸
There is no other (currently living) public intellectual as brilliant as DM in my opinion. Coupled with his sharp humor & turn of phrase, it’s truly such a refreshing and engaging experience to both learn from, & laugh with him, during incisive and thoughtful interviews such as this. Well done lads & fair play for wrangling the great man on again 👍👏
Douglas Murray made a very good point; instead of dying your hair find another way to be interesting. Just imagine if the individuals who ran around trying to figure out which victim group best represented them instead expended that energy and focus on developing actual personality/intellect/emotional skills? Now THAT would make the world interesting 😂😂
Add the flipping baldilocks (baldies)! Are they pretending to be prison camp victims (or just prisoners) or cancer victims? Go flush your bald head in a sewer (preferably not on earth).
PJ O'Rourke once said " if you're a bit out of the ordinary you try to blend in. The opposite is also true: if I see someone walking down the street with dyed hair and facial piercings I know there is absolutely nothing extraordinary about that person "
I can't help but think of the late Christopher Hitchens sometimes when I listen to Douglas. Not in a political sense but in the deep sense of a mind worth listening to, whether I agree or not about the particular topic.
I absolutely love Douglas Murray, I could listen to him talk for hours… he always has something interesting to say, and is so intelligent. It would be great to sit around at a dinner table, having a few wines, with Douglas… 😁
I’m a nurse in the the USA. 6 months ago I told my cousin from Oxford who is a Bio-Chemist working in Germany what was happening to American teenagers in regard to Transgender. He said I was crazy and they would never do it because it would shorten their lives! I haven’t spoken to him since!
Murray is exceptional and owes a great debt to the mentorship of the late Roger Scruton. No one has articulated the values of Western aesthetics better than Scruton. This is mental armor Murray wears to combat our current decay.
"If you don't understand our society, get out of it, leave, we're not losing anything". Yes, that's exactly the way to put it. Politicians and pundits should say it that way and not preface it first with how much they love the richness of diversity.
I’m a heterosexual Douglas, I can’t sire a child, I’ve had operations to see if it could be rectified, sadly nothing was successful. But I concur with your sentiment. You get on with life and be happy that others have children. I have faith, not fanatic, and am a positive character. Life is for living and not imposed. But the future threat that the WEF, EU, UN, WHO are intent on imposing a life upon me, scares me at the age of 75, I fear my wish to be left alone will be refused, I will be forced to take medical treatments I don’t want nor need, I will be prevented from travel, eating healthy meats, eggs and fish that our dna prefers, and taxed and fined out of my ability to sustain my wish to be free and live my life as a free man !
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I genuinely believe that Douglas is one of our greatest current intellects, engaged fully with the real and often controversial issues. He is also a superb communicator, able to debate with friend or foe and brave in belief without recourse to aggression. We need to cherish his contributions so far, and hope for many more to come. First class discussion with the boys.
Just discovered Douglas from this show. Im obsessed. Id be classed as a middle age (40) heterosexual conservative woman and i love him. He has recalibrated my soul with pointing out the gaslighting ❤
It is the National Disgrace that the innocent teacher remains unsupported and threatened in the face of the rules of Islam, which should not be allowed to operate in the UK. Do education authorities monitor the teaching in UK madrassas?
I once heard a similar story to the woman who met her torturer in Eastern Europe (given that he ran when he saw her, I guess she was somewhere like Romania, where the regime was forcibly removed). It reminded me of an interview I once saw with victims of the East German STASI. One of the men they interviewed was employed in a shopping centre (selling luxury goods), when his torturer came in as a customer. Not only did he recognize him, but the former torturer clearly took pleasure in seeing his victim relive his memories and losing his composure (the guy didn't seem particularly strong-minded, the stereotypical effeminate gay type). And the worst thing was that he not only received no moral backing from his manager, but the former torturer started returning frequently when he was on shift, terrorising him regularly. Only very few of the STASI criminals were held accountable, even most of the people who shot their countrymen for trying to escape the open-air prison that was socialist East Germany never faced charges. Some STASI offices were simply turned into HQs of fellowships/organisations of former STASI agents. This is what happens when you let criminals get away with their crimes for the sake of "peace". You'd think Germany, having done a reasonably good job confronting their WWII past, would know this and have taken it into account when writing the unification terms. I bet there are similar stories throughout Northern Ireland, which simply won't get told. The British media is happy to cover up injustices if it serves their political ends, as seen with the grooming scandals.
My greatest fear about AI is that we are going to make ourselves dependent on it and will hand it too much control. That has got to end badly for ourselves.
It's worse than that. If you follow the singularity they talk about how right now you can get a computer with all the processing power of a human brain. The next evolutionary step will be getting a computer that has the processing of ALL the human brains... 8 billion brain-power in one desktop. And AI will be able to utilize thousands of these, or more, and have all our knowledge.... so infinite thinking power. This can only end in our annihilation.
Nowadays, a phone is an appendage which hasn’t been implanted… yet. And if, for example, you believe everything you read on Wikipedia is true, you are been controlled by AI already.
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The way that you can’t tell Douglas is gay because he doesn’t make it a defining part of his identity is the way I wish being black was. It matters so little to who I am. There are so many better things to build your identity around other than your race or sexuality.
Very well put. I wish more people felt as you do.
He's basically implementing real equality in that he acts like straight people like myslef act about their sexuality. Like nobody cares. But the current obsession with sexual, racial and whatever minorities is just overcompensation after centuries of opression and most people will end up somewhere similar to Dougy, eventually. With colorful edge cases which is how things should be.
it was for a time, but that was a golden era. in the 90's and early 2000's.
Absolutely! I watched loads of his stuff before l was aware he was gay and I thought the same as you- non issue and far less of interest than what he has to say.
Surely that was the whole point of the civil rights movement, on which I am no expert. You make a good point, and as I write that i realize that it should not be necessary to say so.
Douglas: “I have better things to do. There’s books I haven’t read.” I love this guy!
Yeah he says that and then goes and writes an article on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. Really tackling the big issues that the average person cares about
@@MatthewRao-ht4rp You think he might have been using some sarcasm there to make point bud? Also, since he is from England, maybe what's happening with those two ARE of much more importance to him and them as a country. Not for the tabloids like it is in the US, but perhaps it really does matter to him/them in a much more meaningful way. Did you think of it that way, or IF (don't think I'm pigeon-holing you now) you're from America, does everyone else just obviously think like you?
@@MatthewRao-ht4rp You just didn't see the importance of the point he made, as you were too busy celebrity gawking right past it. Nobody cares about Harry and Meghan. But people care about the renewal of traditional good behaviours in their cultural avatars.
Harry is going around claiming to be a British icon, whilst behaving like a person Britain thinks is human garbage and requesting the taxpayer foots the bill for this!! THAT is the thing the article was about, but you were too busy cooing to the MSM framework to see it.
Go and read it again. If you read it properly I guarantee you won't think it's concerned with menial bullshit like who Megan Markle is currently fucking with.
@@mikereilley5672 A) I'm not from America. B) Murray lives in America (New York specifically because of course he can't stand liberals), and as such, most of his columns are about the US scene. C) You can't contradict yourself that quickly - by saying "he was using sarcasm" and then in the next sentence say that it was a massive issue for him - and still consider yourself an intelligent person. D) Murray, and many others like him, go on about how "they dont have any more time to waste on LGBTQ nonsense", and yet they spend 90% of their time railing against it, and the rest of it shitting on immigrants or some non-issue like Prince Harry. The simple fact is, most sane people are just not that obsessed with trans people and think that at a time when the largest land war in Europe since WW2 is occuring, maybe a trans swimmer in Philly is not THE most important issue facing Western civilisation.
@Matthew Rao perhaps cultural issues are a part of how we ended up in this large war? It is all related in the end.
As a gay guy myself I've always admired Douglas for not making his sexuality his identity and making it everyone's business.
Do you have aids?
Being gay is a part of the problem.
he was born before millenials / gen z made that a thing. It's only in like the last 15 years....blame twitter
@@NameSpaceVoid so you have aids?
I never felt the need to do that either. I never once attended a gay pride, because there are other things I feel proud of, the things that actually took a lot of work to accomplish.
Douglas Murray is a gift to mankind. Please bring him on as often as possible.
"I can't spend anymore of my life being upset by morons "
Honesty+guts+intelligence, this is what we used to teach children to aspire to.
don't forget the humor, he's really funny
I just love Douglas Murray. It's such a pleasure to listen to him. He's eloquent, witty, and a master at cutting right to the heart of a matter.
He's also just as gracious to people that are polite to him as he is acerbic to those that come after him over and over. Class act.
I am surprised such an intelligent person has been conned by Musk. I doubt he has looked at him very closely.
The thing I don’t understand, as a French who lives in a country that is supposedly, a socialist country, is why, why so much disgust from him and most english speaking cultures, for socialism, as if it was equivalent to communism. Is my country such a bad exemple of society? (I mean, since Macron, or should I say since Sarkozy, it’s definitely a fiasco, but NOT because of our socio-economical model, rather because of the EU that is destroying it). I would truely like to understand.
@@mary-gael7633 I suspect it is much to do with different definitions of 'socialist'. For example, some would say that the UK has a socialist government and has done for a long time. Compare its welfare and NHS with USA, for example.
Agree! Douglas is a treasure.
Douglas is right. All the people who talk about equality and kindness never talk about fairness. Whether it's discriminating against your political opponents or giving a protected class preferential treatment, the one thing that they don't stand for is a single standard of conduct that applies equally to everyone. Having power is more important to these people than fairness.
Also Douglas should know that it's mostly men of violence who come to the table and write the peace protocols. In reality I don't agree the ira were on its knees anymore than the violent murderous loyalists or the army who became a huge part of the problem. He seems to discount the years of being second class citizens in your own country by a system set up to ensure you get nothing ever. Its much more nuanced than the niche view
@@henrymerrilees9066 These people = woke authoritarians.
The people who use compassion as an excuse to control.
Love Douglas, a voice of solid gold British sanity and intelligence in a crazy world 😀
This guy's gotta be related to Simon cowbell in some way
Sorry cowell😂
We'll know the UK is in safer hands when people like Douglas Murray are featured on the BBC & given Knighthoods. Not Tony Blair.
If only 👍
Probably never happen. Unfortunately.
Never going to happen. Though I hope one day you prove me wrong.
It will never happen, the direction of travel is unmistakable
Stranger things have happened on this Island. One thing is for sure, these isles are a graveyard for dictators and their failed revolutions.
Douglas is an absolute genius and incredibly charming.
You're an absolute retard if you call this man a genius.
The populace of the west is truly so dumbed down these days. Incredible that you weren't ashamed to post this hyperbole, even more incredible 8 zombies backed you up.
Clown
High IQ people score high in altruism. I don't see that. He must be christian
Douglas Murray. What a wordsmith.
Douglas is effortlessly witty
Very edgy, very very cool 😂 👍
It only appears effortless. You're not seeing all the hard work it took to become Douglas Murray.
As was Hitch.
I like him but I think the exaggerated British accent can be mistaken for wit.
Some time ago Douglas described LGBT as Lesbian, Gay, Bi and Look at me.
Funny and true
That’s hilarious
He's the best!
bi and pan are both also 'look at me' people. pick a lane.
😂😂😂
Douglas is always great
He is the absolute best.
Particularly in an informal setting like this, he had me laughing out loud as well as nodding along.
Unfortunately no one’s always great.. even Douglas holds views that on its face clash with perspectives he has on other views. His position on animal welfare for example. Not great.
@@antitheistvegan Sure hope you're not typing your comment on an electronic device that uses cobalt mined by literal slaves in the Congo to put forth something to inherently trite.
Words are blunt instruments! Words are sawnoff shotguns!
I asked ChatGPT to explain wokeism in the style of HP Lovecraft and this is what it gave me. Pretty much nailed it:
"Beware, dear reader, for I am about to recount the grim and ghastly tale of a movement so insidious and terrifying, that it threatens to unravel the very fabric of our society. I speak, of course, of the dark and eldritch force known as "Wokism."
This loathsome ideology creeps like a foul and shapeless horror, seeping into the minds of the unsuspecting and twisting them to its will. Its tendrils reach into every corner of our world, twisting language and perverting truth, until it becomes a mockery of all that is good and true.
Its acolytes, the "woke," are fanatics who worship at the altar of social justice, driven mad by a feverish and relentless pursuit of an ever-shifting moral code. They seek to destroy all that we hold dear, to tear down the pillars of civilization and replace them with a monstrous new order.
Their black rites are whispered in dark corners and secret gatherings, where they plot their next assault on our way of life. They demand the unthinking obedience of all who would dare to question their madness, and those who resist are cast into the abyss of the canceled, their names stricken from the annals of history.
Beware, I say, for the tendrils of Wokism stretch ever outward, threatening to snuff out the light of reason and hope in our world. Pray that you may never fall under its sway, lest you too be consumed by the abyssal horror that is Wokism."
Brilliant!
Indeed. I have found H.P. Lovecraft comforting for he acknowledged the madness in the world and the way humans seek to usher in horrors beyond understanding.
Take from ChatGPT AI with a grain of salt, the code is still a woke toaster. Ask it to tell you a sexists joke about Women vs a Sexist joke about men. you'll find the former is not appropriate where the subsequent is fine and dandy.
Great plot for a movie lol
Actually, that is not hyperbole.
There’s no such thing as too much Douglas Murray ❤️
I really appreciate Douglas Murray's point of view. He probably wouldn't call it courageous but I appreciate his courage to speak on the topics that are contraversial. He is so well spoken and thoughtful.
Erm, he held is tongue on Convid - as someone who appreciates him, I was bitterly disappointed.
Controversial, to whom?
@@parko1965 Anyone who doesn't carry the "card" - in his case, and by his own admission being gay. He gets away with speaking truth that in the UK might put a pregnant mother (yes - it happened) in jail.
@@123prestolee Yes, I agree but also would like to see him 10 or 20 years from now. Burning himself in the fury of current fires might not be in the best interest of future endeavour. Everyone with a tongue is tackling this recent shit-show, so from a tactical perspective I'd prefer to see one of our big guns brace himself for the inevitable insanity "they" have in store for us.
Is the Doug "controlled opposition"? I surely hope not.
@@jamesportrais3946 Or a TH-camr whose girlfriend's dog made nazi references as a joke.
What a wonderful treat, listening to this man, always is.
I adore Murray, one of my very favorite humans. He is a treasure and one of the most important intellectuals in the world. A spokesman for all the good of Western Culture. Love you all.
I am British but live in the French speaking part of Switzerland. I am happy to say that although everyone is aware of the LGBTQ trend, people here don't feel they are required to censor their own speech. It feels as though the British culture is just spiralling out of control into a direction that simply makes no sense at all. Douglas Murray is always a sober voice hopefully reminding some people that its okay to be normal!!!!
Why do you think that is, that Switzerland hasnt been effected
It’s on its way all over Europe. I read somewhere that the language needs to develop before it spreads into other cultures than the anglo world. Germany is certainly spearheading the spread into the German speaking world.
Switzerland is small-town though. I can say that France is similar to the U.K. in its wokeness.
Just wait. There's a reason Americans call it the "woke mind *virus*". It spreads like a pandemic.
It's so liberal here in Portland that my pastor's hair is turning green instead of gray.
Love Douglas and his comedic take on everything. His dry brittish humor is brilliant!
"If you want humor, read Dostoevsky." Now that is a great joke.
Nothing is as depressing as a European comedy.
Why? I've always found Dostoevsky to be quite humourous.
Should have spelled: “Eef you vont kh -you-mar, reed Dust-a-yevskii!” 😅
@@ArtU4All Writing dialect or accents requires the skill of a Mark Twain.
@@jessestevens_aka_jesus I laughed all the way thru Crime and Punishment.
Douglas is always a top-tier guest for me. Have him on any time!
On the point of victimhood. As a grand child of holocaust survivors I have noticed that one of the greatest indicators of a trauma victim is the inability to see themselves as a victim since it is too difficult to process the emotions and still carry on. Whereas those claiming to be victims are often highly incapable of taking responsibility.....
That would likely be a coping mechanism as you wonderfully illustrated. Good note and acknowledgment. I will be the devils advocate and say people can still be victims and self aware of their turmoil, you just tend to see it more rarely i think. Usually when you think you see it, it’s someone masquerading for attention.
I guess I say all that to say there are true victims who could technically fall under the self-victimization umbrella and abusers often use this as a stigma against them to maintain their victimization by getting them to distance from how bad things actually are. It can go from coping to control fairly quickly.
That is very deep
True.
So true. It has taken me 50 years to speak about why I ran away from home. The slander of my mother and father telling everyone that I was pregnant. I was an Honor student . A teen Olympic contender. First time recipient of a Title IX award from the First Lady. I was in the band, an artist, a California State wide science award winner. But I could not cope with the trauma of my new Dad's lesbian daughter trying to force herself on me night after night. I became sleep deprived running out of my room at 2am because she would cone home high and drunk and force her way into my bedroom. I just didn't know what to say to my mother and my new Dad. They knew something was wrong. I asked my grandparents to live with them , but I didn't tell them about the sexual assaults. My parents were enraged, flipping out on me screaming at me, " ..you are not going to make me look like a bad parent by leaving.." I was strangled and slammed up against a stone wall. I was only interested in always being the very best person, athlete, scholar , daughter that I could be. I was only 14. When traumatized the last thing I ever wanted was to be seen as a victim, so you just get on with living.
Douglas Murray is a ray of sunshine. "I can't spend any more of my life being upset by morons". Essentially why I gave up listening to the BBC about a decade ago.
He is not disgusting unlike sarahhewittclarkson #lgbtprotestbirmimgham
Love Douglas Murray. Never misses the mark!
Douglas is just the best. Probably the most interesting person to listen to now that Hitch is gone. I appreciate his very poignant take on guns in America. He’s one of the only people that admits he doesn’t understand it and it’s not for him to tell another culture what to do. Great that they referred back to the hard lesson Piers had to learn on this. Murray is one of the brightest minds we have today and we’d do well to listen to him.
I think that, debating Hitch, would have been good for Douglas.
Douglas is a good man. Very intelligent and reasonable.
I needed that, Douglas. Writers, write. Stop worrying about the bellowing on Twitter and get on with it. This very tired writer needed this reminder and encouragement.
Always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray bringing sanity kicking and screaming, back into the public conversation.
I only really found out who Douglas Murray was about three months ago and honestly: I wish I knew about him sooner. He is a fascinating human being with a wonderful way of thinking. So happy you had him on. Very great interview.
Always a pleasure seeing Douglas. Thank you lads!
Douglas is an absolute Joy ❤ like a character from an Evelyn Waugh novel but with a laser-sharp intellect and dry sardonic wit ... simply adore him
Yes! Would fit brilliantly into a Brideshead dinner party :)
well if that's the case let's hope he gets a little less stuffy and can escape to the South Pacific
@michaellorenzen8200 go read up on Nietsche's concept of Resentment, you'll benefit greatly from it .......
Douglas Murray!! Yes!!!
Douglas is truly one of the best guests you can ever hope to have.
I find him engrossing!
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Douglas is so articulate and light hearted. Great combination.
Pumped for listening to Douglas!
Lol he's good. Always keep our own dignity ✊🤘
@@piping9153 Good.
As always, a profound pleasure to hear what Douglas Murray has to say about current affairs. Thanks for bringing him back!
He is such a joy to listen to. From the sound of his voice, his eloquence, his opinions to his wit, it's all such a marvellous package.
This has to be one of the most entertaining and endearing conversations I’ve heard on social media in years.
Douglas is so charming, I feel entranced by him
Love me some Douglas, I've just finished his book "The war on the West" it's fantastic 👍 love from Liverpool ♥️🇬🇧😜
Douglas Murray - such a talented, beautiful soul human being... Speaking truth with common sense, courage and wisdom. And humor helps a lot too!🙂❤️
Beautiful soul ?? He sneers at nearly anyone
I love Douglases opinion on immigration. If I moved to France, I’d try to be as ‘French’ as possible. You can’t come here and start trying to instigate a protest against progressive laws. We should be able to ridicule religions since they are ridiculous.
So did Philippe Petain😊
Douglas is a true intellectual, he has no equivalet on the left
Oh sure he does. Depends on what you mean by "left" and in what country you want to look for such a person. You do realize that in the USA, Douglas himself has a few talking points in common with the "right" at the moment, but he isn't exactly someone who would fit in at a MAGA rally. Apart from Muslim nations, nearly all countries are more 'left' than the US, whose "liberal democrats" are quaintly conservative by European and Asian standards, and likely some South American standards as well but I know too little about the political climate there to make any bold statements.
@@limlaithby Asian standards, really?
Sam Harris
@@richardleonori9345 You've got to be kidding. Did you see Sam's last Triggernometry episode?
What about Owen Jones?
Just kidding
I truly admire him 😍
Fantastic to watch two excellent interviewers allowing their guest to answer their questions. DM was characteristically good of course but the hosts allowing him to speak was a perfect interview. Well done. 👏 ✔️ 👍 👌 😀
The story of the woman seeing her torturer on the street really hit home. The same thing happened to my 82 year old cousin. Same cousin told me he wears dentures because they knock out your teeth before they torture you so you don't bite off your tongue. They needed you to confess.
I understand when Douglas says he can't bear the murderers to be the men of peace. Northern Ireland was a civil war that should not have happened if civil rights had been given. Civil wars are extremely violent one on one as this was, no one escapes it. Wrong place wrong time could be deadly to all. Innocent people pay the price and 186 innocent children including babies were murdered in the troubles, republicans responsible for 43% and loyalist and British army responsible for 53%. Douglas seems to attribute most of it to the republicans and seems a little bitter about it. Maybe his friends are loyalists. All sides in that were to blame but it is usually the men of violence that come to the peace table and dictate terms. For the most part peace is there now of a kind anyway. In all conflicts its usually the men of violence who dictate terms and write the history. Once upon a time in Northern ireland, lost lives and lost voices are three programs from the peoples point of view with very little political overtones in them, and maybe a clearer view
Admire/Love this man. Utmost respect for him
The more I hear Douglas Murray the more I like him. Straight talking and honest about how he feels about a subject.
I just love Douglas & have done for years
His book the Madness of Crowds was amazing. Brutal. Raw. Honest. Take no prisoners. I loved it.
Yes the teacher who was entirely left out in the cold by all the establishment still really annoys me today when it's just mentioned. The Government should have stepped in, the police should have got rid of the protesters, the teachers should have supported him in fact he was let down by everyone, cowards all!
Douglas Murray is so awesome
Douglas Murray’s observations are always interesting and worth listening to.
When Hitch left us I feared we would never again see his equal, but I think Douglas Murray would have made him proud. I'm incredibly grateful for this splendid man.
Your point is well taken, but Hitchens was a lion when confronting Islam; or any religion for that matter. I’m not so sure that Douglas cares to go that far (not that I fault him).
They were friends
@@lifemasterkris1865Douglas Murray was on the front lines taking it to Islam. How it's not compatible with western society, dude isn't weak on that issue.
Incredible how the average European brain has not gained a single ounce of intelligence since the year 2000
Truly a dead culture. You're bringing up Hitchens in 2023. Pro Bush pro Iraq war Hitchens, in 2023, as a standard. Utter retard brain. The west does not deserve it's standing nor do it's citizens deserve freedom.
This level of stupidity and nihilism deserves slavery and subjugation alone.
For the first time in my long life, I fear that the US could collapse in my lifetime. And it will be just as we have always said... It will fall from within.
Could happen any day since 1776. From the British perspective it already did happen. I have lived with H-bombs all my life. Democrats tried to end the US in 1860 ... and still try every year since.
Abraham Lincoln said in 1838 that if all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa invaded America they will fail they will be stopped, he said if America falls and is destroyed it'll be from within, and sadly that's what's happening now 🤔 God bless America don't throw it all away 😔🇬🇧🇺🇸
@@davehallett810 Amen to that! I, for one, haven't given up. Seeing the writing on the wall has only made me more determined.
That's how all empires collapse, from the rot within.
@@mariajoseasbury8450 Rot is natural, over here we call it composting. From that new fruitful life comes.
Douglas is a gift to humanity
Douglas Murray is always worth your while: insightful and intelligent and forthright! Excellent!
Perpetual voice of reason, courage and common sense, without being dull. Great guest. Thank you lovely guys. Love from the UK.
There is no other (currently living) public intellectual as brilliant as DM in my opinion. Coupled with his sharp humor & turn of phrase, it’s truly such a refreshing and engaging experience to both learn from, & laugh with him, during incisive and thoughtful interviews such as this. Well done lads & fair play for wrangling the great man on again 👍👏
Always a good day when Triggernometry has Douglas on. ❤️
Douglas Murray made a very good point; instead of dying your hair find another way to be interesting. Just imagine if the individuals who ran around trying to figure out which victim group best represented them instead expended that energy and focus on developing actual personality/intellect/emotional skills? Now THAT would make the world interesting 😂😂
It's an amusing, self fulfilling prophecy, I avoid interaction with people with brightly coloured hair 😅
Add the flipping baldilocks (baldies)!
Are they pretending to be prison camp victims (or just prisoners) or cancer victims?
Go flush your bald head in a sewer (preferably not on earth).
PJ O'Rourke once said " if you're a bit out of the ordinary you try to blend in. The opposite is also true: if I see someone walking down the street with dyed hair and facial piercings I know there is absolutely nothing extraordinary about that person "
Bravo Gentlemen! Excellent discourse. As the older generation, I found this discussion profound.
Love hearing Douglas talk.very confident and unapologetic
The articulation and clarity of Douglas is incredible, one of the greatest thinkers of this century
I can't help but think of the late Christopher Hitchens sometimes when I listen to Douglas. Not in a political sense but in the deep sense of a mind worth listening to, whether I agree or not about the particular topic.
I absolutely love Douglas Murray, I could listen to him talk for hours… he always has something interesting to say, and is so intelligent.
It would be great to sit around at a dinner table, having a few wines, with Douglas… 😁
Love this, love you two, stay here in America...please!
Douglas Murray is absolutely superb, I could listen to him all day.
Douglas is indespensible. Thank God for people like him! ❤️🙏
I’m a nurse in the the USA. 6 months ago I told my cousin from Oxford who is a Bio-Chemist working in Germany what was happening to American teenagers in regard to Transgender. He said I was crazy and they would never do it because it would shorten their lives! I haven’t spoken to him since!
Never transition them?
"I can't spend any more of my life being upset by morons." I think we could all learn a lot from Douglas Murray's attitude to life
Murray is exceptional and owes a great debt to the mentorship of the late Roger Scruton. No one has articulated the values of Western aesthetics better than Scruton. This is mental armor Murray wears to combat our current decay.
I love the conversations between these gentlemen, they never dissapoint.
"If you don't understand our society, get out of it, leave, we're not losing anything". Yes, that's exactly the way to put it. Politicians and pundits should say it that way and not preface it first with how much they love the richness of diversity.
Thrilled to see Douglas!
Always enjoy Douglas. Great conversation!
always a good listen when the boys have good old wise Douglas on 👍
Conversations like this are why I’m subscribed
Thanks for a great interview ❤
What a real breath of fresh air this interview is .
The fact that British citizens need to worry about Muslim retribution from people in their own country is DISGUSTING.
At a time when intellectual rigor and courage are in short supply, DM is a welcome breath of fresh air.
Inlightening as always, great discussion and revelations.
I’m a heterosexual Douglas, I can’t sire a child, I’ve had operations to see if it could be rectified, sadly nothing was successful. But I concur with your sentiment. You get on with life and be happy that others have children. I have faith, not fanatic, and am a positive character. Life is for living and not imposed. But the future threat that the WEF, EU, UN, WHO are intent on imposing a life upon me, scares me at the age of 75, I fear my wish to be left alone will be refused, I will be forced to take medical treatments I don’t want nor need, I will be prevented from travel, eating healthy meats, eggs and fish that our dna prefers, and taxed and fined out of my ability to sustain my wish to be free and live my life as a free man !
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Yay! Douglas Murray, my favourite British conservative, is on again!
I genuinely believe that Douglas is one of our greatest current intellects, engaged fully with the real and often controversial issues. He is also a superb communicator, able to debate with friend or foe and brave in belief without recourse to aggression. We need to cherish his contributions so far, and hope for many more to come. First class discussion with the boys.
Douglas Murray will forever be known as a fighting hero for the West.
I love Douglas!!
One of the best guests ever!!
Thank you for having him back
Just discovered Douglas from this show. Im obsessed. Id be classed as a middle age (40) heterosexual conservative woman and i love him. He has recalibrated my soul with pointing out the gaslighting ❤
But he's gay😢
Douglas is brilliant, and hilarious.
Love Douglas Murray.
Love Triggernometry, thank you for this interview.
Eloquent & very interesting & amusing man. You can tell that he’s a writer!
It is the National Disgrace that the innocent teacher remains unsupported and threatened in the face of the rules of Islam, which should not be allowed to operate in the UK. Do education authorities monitor the teaching in UK madrassas?
I once heard a similar story to the woman who met her torturer in Eastern Europe (given that he ran when he saw her, I guess she was somewhere like Romania, where the regime was forcibly removed).
It reminded me of an interview I once saw with victims of the East German STASI. One of the men they interviewed was employed in a shopping centre (selling luxury goods), when his torturer came in as a customer.
Not only did he recognize him, but the former torturer clearly took pleasure in seeing his victim relive his memories and losing his composure (the guy didn't seem particularly strong-minded, the stereotypical effeminate gay type). And the worst thing was that he not only received no moral backing from his manager, but the former torturer started returning frequently when he was on shift, terrorising him regularly.
Only very few of the STASI criminals were held accountable, even most of the people who shot their countrymen for trying to escape the open-air prison that was socialist East Germany never faced charges. Some STASI offices were simply turned into HQs of fellowships/organisations of former STASI agents. This is what happens when you let criminals get away with their crimes for the sake of "peace". You'd think Germany, having done a reasonably good job confronting their WWII past, would know this and have taken it into account when writing the unification terms.
I bet there are similar stories throughout Northern Ireland, which simply won't get told. The British media is happy to cover up injustices if it serves their political ends, as seen with the grooming scandals.
Absolutely love Douglas Murray!!
One of the few great minds of our time.
This interview was just not long enough... I could listen to him all day!
Thank you Douglas, love your ideas, thanks trig for having him on.
My greatest fear about AI is that we are going to make ourselves dependent on it and will hand it too much control.
That has got to end badly for ourselves.
To some extent this has happened with the internet..
It's worse than that. If you follow the singularity they talk about how right now you can get a computer with all the processing power of a human brain. The next evolutionary step will be getting a computer that has the processing of ALL the human brains... 8 billion brain-power in one desktop. And AI will be able to utilize thousands of these, or more, and have all our knowledge.... so infinite thinking power. This can only end in our annihilation.
@@grannyannie2948 True. We did so with a lot of things, but AI will take it to a level never seen before.
Nowadays, a phone is an appendage which hasn’t been implanted… yet. And if, for example, you believe everything you read on Wikipedia is true, you are been controlled by AI already.
Technology frees us and enchains us simultaneously. Look at mobile phones. It's going to be inveitable with Ai