Agreed, I feel turning her into a villain is not only a huge disserve to her arc, but also to Vision who believed in her and inspired her in a way to do the right thing at the end of WandaVision. Not only that, but doing so sort of shows little care for the invested in her arc audience.
XD I mean, in the comics she literally rewrites history. It was nice to see her stop caring about everyone else so much and going after what she wanted. No matter the cost. I mean, she even "tried" to be reasonable.
@@gerrigarrick she only killed people who were superheroes going in her way. At least this time it wasn’t civilians. The sorcerers and the Illuminati are soldiers, they dedicated their lives to their duty. The fact that some of them have families don’t change the fact that they were aware that they could die at war.
@@gerrigarrickSome of the defense this film gets baffles me. My best friend loved the movie (gave it an 8/10) simply because "in the comics she's just as powerful." I need to grill him and ask pointed questions so he realizes how shallow and irrelevant of a non-excuse that is lol.
Let’s just all agree that Michael waldron single handedly ruined her entire character. It’s extremely disappointing to see how horribly he handled her arc and pacing.
It may be irrational of me, but I've always found Wanda's resolve to remain a hero despite all her heartache extremely inspiring. Her going full villain really insulted me because of that.
Yah I think when steve told her not to feel bad about killing civilians with collateral damage it really wasn't what she needed and conveniently steve doesn't have to deal with wanda
@@carlosrivas1629 "ALWAYS MORALLY GREY" Yeah sure let's see how you remain morally eclectic with your parent's killer and when you have to save the world for someone you love by killing them.
Darkhold we already saw it's power in agents of shield where it completely changed a mindless Android so I think it does have very very significant effect on a conscious human mind
@@TOM-ro7rt Except the whole point of the ending of Wandavision was that she can't hurt other people because she's hurting or grieving, it's wrong to do.
@@Error_-ct2vp Exactly. The comics deliberately destroyed her, and have been actively spiteful towards her. She and Vision are the only characters not to to have got a push in the comics to coincide with the MCU; pretty much everyone else has. It feels like a pointed snub. She barely appears in comics anymore as a result of Bendis assassinating her, for Wanda's fans, someof whom read Avengers comics during her decades long tenure on the team, it is like being kicked in the face.
@@Relugus how so? She’s ALWAYS shown to be a bit of a bitchy antihero. I don’t know why you’re exactly rooting towards a selfish and almost unlikeable mutant.
You talked about something really important about Wanda. She doesn't like to inflict pain on others. She was horrified of Ultron's plan. When she lost control containing the bomb and ended up killing people in the building she felt horrible for what she did. When agatha set free the minds of westeview residents, they said "We have your nightmares". The first thing she said wasn't a justification, it was "what?! no!". She realized at that moment it wasn't mind control, it was mental torture and released them and then the town after defeating Agatha. From begining to end Wanda doesn't like to inflict pain and never ran way from her responsabilites. It doesn't make sense she flying away from the police and then becoming a cold blooded murderer in MoM.
I'm a Wanda Stan and I loved seeing Wanda be all powerful in MoM and I'm even okay with her being the villain, the only thing I didn't like was her motivation for being the villain, in the wandavision post credit scene it showed her using the dark hold when she hears her kids calling out to her, her kids were saying things like "mom help" and "please". I understand wanda believing that her kids are in danger and wanting to help them by doing whatever is nesscascary even if it means hurting people, this would have been a much more believable justification for her actions instead of just I want my kids back so I'm going to steal a girls powers killing her in the process and then travel to another universe where my kids are living happy lives with there mother and then I'm going to kill there mother and raise them myself, I hope that marvel realizes there mistake and gives Wanda the redemption ark she deserves.
That would be a better excuse but in my opinion, those screams weren’t her children, they were tempting whispers of the Darkhold in her years towards her corruption.
@@martimtorres9093 or they could’ve used those screams to indicate that her children were in trouble, like in the comics, they were 2 fragments of Mephisto’s soul (correct me if im wrong) and Marvel could’ve done something similar where Wanda tries to save them and by doing so, breaks the multiverse and Strange has to stop her, leading to a conflict between them. Then they both find out there’s a demonic entity behind everything and work together. Something like this but better would’ve been such a better movie imo, I would’ve loved to see the original script done for this.
My issue is as you mentioned, he just wanting the kids rather than trying to save them. It's also the fact that it's as if Vision and pietro don't exist. I haven't seen wandavision or MOM but I know enough of about them to understand enough. The book I believe enhances a person's motivation and longing to a destructive level. But in Wandavision, we were lead to believe that she realised what she was doing and learned to not make these similar mistakes. I would have liked it if Dr Strange actually built a stronger foundation with Wanda instead of her becoming a villain, or even say she's starting to descend to villainy but Strange shows empathy towards her as he too has sacrificed a lot. They could have both had an arch across multiverses in some way where they see the different versions of themselves and in the end learn to appreciate the small things in their life, to accept their situation and push forward for a better life. I wouldn't know who the villains should be or the threat, perhaps one idea could be them both from another universe where they both fight and see the path they could have lead, maybe the other Strange and Wanda (Scarlett witch) could have been the ones travelling across universes with evil other world Wanda being the one wanting her children, and our Wanda realises what she could have been, and at the end is motivated to learn her capabilities but also how to not give into the dark hold. Strange being the same way but also learning to appreciate what he has and the two end up close friends, perhaps see eachother more as platonic family Now if we kept the concept of MOM we have I'd have probably add Vision and Pietro as part of the goal Wanda has. Or if not at least have her mention why they aren't. Maybe she's seen them both die, like in their physical forms, and mentally that has her feel that they're a lost cause. We know (correct me if I'm wrong) Vision was recreated and exists again. If he saw what Wanda was doing show how he'd feel and react to it, how he'd be involved, does he know her the way IW Vision did or was he reborn with no memory? Perhaps it's a matter of the two having to rebuild what was lost, or if they even can given Wanda may not feel he's HER Vision and that new Vision doesn't know who she was before he was reborn and therefore doesn't have that same connection with her.
Just watched the WandaVision final fight scene, after she takes Agathas powers, Agatha said “you don’t know what you’ve done”, they could have expanded on that so easily! Agatha absorbed magic during her centuries that was evil, and helped to corrupt Wanda. Instead, nothing has happened with that. Wanda didn’t even try to continue learning from Agatha or try to find out what Agatha meant.
Anakin Skywalker in the prequels is a far better example of how to do a tragic character correctly. Through a combination of his childhood traumas, character flaws and circumstances, Anakin ends up descending into ever increasing paranoia and desperation over the supposed imminent death of his pregnant wife to the point where he ends up making a deal with the devil who’s spent the past 15 years convincing him that he’s actually the angel on his shoulder.
Yeah also the movie framing is a little bit strange, like it’s sometimes pretending that Wanda isn’t a mass murderer. The prequels have problems but once Anakin attacked the Jedi Temple, the story treats him as a straight up villain and doesn’t try to excuse anything he did.
I know Elizabeth was uncomfortable with the drastic change and I thought it was lazy writing. Wanda is my favourite character and to see her so mistreated was painful and that ending was an insult to her too. Stephen Strange made so many similar choices and as Wanda said he's hailed a hero. I hope Kevin and Marvel see this and rectify it with Childrens Crusade.
@@viviul2003 yeahhhhhh about that. Strange wasn’t going to help him until peter said how it’s affecting his friends and as soon as he messed up he tried to fix the spell.
Not only that but also: In the post credit scene of Wandavision, Wanda is studying the Darkhold when suddenly she hears her kids calling out to her for help. "Mom, help us. Please." The show sets up an understandable and sympathetic motivation: Her kids are presumably in danger, so she's going to search the multiverse in hopes of finding and saving them. Hard cut to MOM and this is never acknowledged. Her motivation now is changed to something unbelievably horrific and evil: Wanda has been dreaming about her kids every night. She's been chilling in her cabin, sending demons after America in order to steal her powers and has a very specific plan in mind. She'll leave Universe 616 and head to another. There she'll kill her variant, take her place and raise the kids. The kids that she *knows* are safe and happy with their *actual* mother. Earlier in the film, it is revealed that dreams are the window to other universes. By changing the reason for her descent into ruthless villainy from "my kids are in grave danger, i don't know where but i need to find them immediately so get the fuck out of my way" to "i want to find a universe where I'm happy with my kids and so, i will kill my variant and raise my (hers) children", the writer shoots himself on the foot and open a can of worms. The only reason why people complain about the lack of Vision, Pietro or hell even Wanda's parents it's because of the way that the movie stupidly presents her reasoning and contrasts it with Strange's "are you happy". Nobody would question Wanda, if she was desperately searching ONLY for her kids while their cries tormented her. But alas...
I completely agree that should have been her motivation and I think her using the Darkhold out of desperation would have corrupted her to the point of killing anyone standing in her way. That way, we would have had a powerful and emotional motivation that we can empathize with while still having her become villainous. I loved the idea of her ultimately becoming villainous but only with a justified descent
I could also see the darkhold making Wanda believe her alt-kids were in danger and twisted her mind and perception to make her a villain in her ruthlessness to "save them". It's really too bad they did such a lazy script for MOM, I agree with you completely here.
I think there's a chance it would have been more palatable if we were given at least the first act to digest her progression into a villain. If we had time to witness the darkhold transforming Wanda. But movie screenplays don't usually have that kind of time to devote to the antagonist's setup. Unfortunately, for the audience, we know Wanda as a hero already, more than that as the protagonist of her own series. We rooted for her for over 6 hours of television. Therefore, the movie and the fans would have been better served with a different villain who didn't need the audience to change their minds about who said villain was and wouldn't be upset having to do so in order to make the character arc to work.
@@sarahthedyslexiclibrarian4914 Thanks! I still wouldn't have liked it, because WandaVIsion is still my fave of the Marvel Disney+ shows and I enjoyed rooting for Wanda. That said, at least if we were given the time to see her transformation it would have been a bit easier to accept. As stated in the video this really was a character assasination in MOM.
@@gerrigarrick Oh I adored Wandavision, I thought it was a fantastic character study. I really do feel very much the same as you. Still, I agree that with time and a well-layered story she COULD have worked as a villain if they were really going to go that way.
I think the reason for her villain era is simple. The writers bound themselves to making Wanda the villain, purely because she is capable of showing immense power. The writers should've watched Wandavision and analyzised it for her change to make sense, but they didn't. They simply took the darkhold and made it the entire cause of her corruption, neglecting her entire story. It's a shame how lazy they were with writing Wanda from a hero to villain, but I still really enjoyed the movie because I still loved her character. I hope they don't make the same mistake again.
Her arc in MoM is too similar to her own in the wandavision series and Eternals with Icarus (good intentions but then realizing they were wrong) which just happened in the MCU timeline.
I remember seeing somewhere Wanda was supposed to be a Villian much later down the line but Rami (?) said "why should they get the good villain" and decided to rush the arc. Such a shame because I loved Wanda and they ruined her arc
Mulitverse of Madness was meant to be Wandas arc into villainy but the writer didn't want to do that as he wanted a villainous Wanda. So you get this massive jarring of Wanda now being a killer for little to no reason. I think in Wandavision Wanda was still a villain at the end as she still saw herself as innocent of what she had done. Making Wanda a villain fits but it was just done so badly but then Marvel has always sucked at villains
Granted I have not seen Wandavison yet but I thought Elizabeth Olsen gave such a great performance as Wanda that it worked for me I totally believed she was a mother who was willing to go to extreme length to get back together with her children and that final scene with her is heartbreaking.
If Marvel wanted to go the anti-hero/villain route then she needed to be in endgame, that alone could've served as the movie where she starts to lose her cool and maybe you can show her starting to warp reality in an end credits scene. That leads into WandaVision where we see the effects of that. And maybe we see in WV that the presence of the Darkhold is slowly corrupting her, even though she wants to do good. That could culminate into MoM as she's been fully transformed by being so enveloped in studying it. But that would also require the studio to collaborate as a whole and they haven't seemed to have the desire to do that since after Endgame
Everytime something sad happens, we all think and assume that this is the start of her arc of acceptance and heroic legacy… but every time no she has a chance to become a main avenger and lunch box hero… another sad thing happens and resets her depression.. and multiverse of madness didn’t have that loop.. just when you think it’s gonna happen, it takes a SIKE and k1lls her off at her worst and most depressed and when she feels like a demonic monster
My friend, with whom i watched the Multiverse of Madness, was like: This makes no sense, I don't want to watch every little thing Marvel puts out just to understand the movies And I was like: Don't worry, I watched the series and it still doesn't make sense
judging by the clips i've seen, it's a little too gratuitous. I only just realised how much I actually cared about her when she became Scarlet Witch. I don't like the fact that she is Evil now.
@@juinyee2704 Exactly. WandaVision showed what grief is, but then MOM took that and said, let's reuse the same concept, except now let's make Wanda evil and blame it on a book.
As a (kinda) long-time reader of hers, it's honestly heartbreaking to see her ending up like this in MCU. Wanda was not always a popular character, but she was pretty stable and consistant in terms of comic appearances until 2004's Avengers Dissambled and 2005's House of M which functionally made her a plot device to shake up the Avengers lineup as well as creating (yet another) extinction plotline for X-franchise. It took her 7 years to appear in comics again, and even after that she has very limited resources. MCU is her few good news which boosted her popularity by a significant amount, so it' extra insulting when MCU straight up rehashed the very story(or say the general them and toxic tropes) that damned her in the comics. It's all a sickening joke.
Umm NO it really wasn’t, Anakins “turn” is by far the worst written,easily predictable and worst acted on screen hero to villain journey in most modern media! Just Star Wars fans eat it up because some nostalgic films 20+ years prior, let’s not act like those films,writing and acting wasn’t heavily criticised for years and bashed without mercy from the most diehard fans until they started simping over Vader because “badass villain” and their need to shift their hate onto the sequels (which i totally get) but let’s not talk like Anakins love story & turn was anything but the most cringeworthy experience over that whole trilogy. But I guess you weren’t old enough to watch those in theatres and comprehend good writing,direction nor acting with the exception of cool fights am I right? because if you were old enough you’d be able to comfortably admit how terrible it was without fanboying over it.
I didn't mind Wanda being a Villain in Multiverse of Madness, because I know what she went through. I just didn't think her turn to the Dark Side was executed well.
To me honestly. Her murderous rampage is from her corruption by the darkhold and it’s spells. Then at the end when she realizes what she became after seeing her children afraid of her, she breaks out of the corruption and then has the emotional moment with 838 Wanda and then doing the right thing in the end by destroying all the darkholds and the throne.
Dude she was still evil even after the book got destroyed. The first thing she tried was to interrogate Wong by nearly killing his mates. The writers are terrible.
@@柳風-x3f I mean yes the book was destroyed but not entire darkhold. Mount wundagore was still a big darkhold. If the mountain wasn’t a threat and couldn’t continue to corrupt people (like Wanda), Wanda wouldn’t have needed to destroy it.
I mean he covers the persisting issue of Wanda using the Darkhold at all @ 12:00. It's extremely lazy and Wanda's character still suffers for it, not "excused" for the murderous rampage. There's no recovery for her character at this point. If they tried some hacked up redemption later, I guarantee people will hate it.
Chthon is going to make her suffer for destroying the Darkhold. She will not be allowed to die. You can bet he is viciously angry, and he will likely go after the Wanda variants as well now.
WandaVision showed how flawed Wanda was. She's not a hero, and she's not just a villain. She's a bit of both. She was becoming one of the best characters out there, unfortunately, MoM literally destroyed her character. I don't know how she can possibly comeback from that character assassination....
MOM should've been the movie to have Wanda, having become the Scarlet Witch after WandaVision, to team up alongside Strange and Wong to fight a common bigger enemy that's after America Chavez's multiversal travelling powers and they could've had Wanda occasionally using the Darkhold during the movie, slowly falling into darkness. During the movie, they could've kept the dreamwalking story, showing Wanda dreaming about other worlds, but instead, show other Billys and Tommys being unhappy or unsafe in their worlds. Maybe Wanda could tell Strange and Wong about her dreams of other Billys and Tommys being unsafe in other places and Strange could tell her that her dreams are windows into her other variant's lives, which gets Wanda interested in discovering where the boys are to help them. Meanwhile, the villain that they're fighting, during a showdown, could slightly reveal something about America's powers that would pique Wanda's interest and get her to slowly begin thinking about what it'd be like to have those powers to explore the multiverse to get to the unhappy/unsafe Billy and Tommy and by the end, we get the first sign that she's nearly fully corrupted, maybe alone in her cabin or maybe even somewhere in the Sanctum or Kamar Taj, with Strange and Wong elsewhere in the building, even have a voice of some creature or being whispering in Wanda's head about using the Darkhold, and getting America's powers, to travel the multiverse to find and save the unahppy/unsafe Billy and Tommy that she dreamed about, and then, the NEXT Wanda-related movie should've had her as a villain, on a ruthless quest to find and save Billy and Tommy, full force, which would then force Strange and Wong to now view Wanda as an enemy, trying to reason with her, even offering to help her find the boys, but only if she stops her rampage, failing to reason with her, then it becomes a Strange v. Wanda movie showdown, kind of similarly to their MOM battles, but more detailed with longer choreographed battle scenes. THAT'S how I'd write for Wanda, if I were a writer, for this era of her character. I'd make it a 3 part movie of her descent into darkness for the sake of finding her unhappy variant sons, facing off against Strange in real toe to toe magic battles. I'd even keep the scenes of her rampaging through the 838 Illuminati, who would try to convince her that her intentions are noble, but her execution is villainous, turning into a full throttle fight as they try to stop her rampage, but fail in the end, like MOM. I'd end it with her and America having their fight at Mt. Wundagore and America punching Wanda into the universe where Billy and Tommy are, she finally sees them, is about to save them and take them back with her and then, a bad/evil Wanda steps into the frame, revealing that she's why the boys are unsafe, which leads into the third movie, basically with a brief, 15-20 minute backstory of how the other Wanda came to be evil, how she began harming the boys and even her feeling our Wanda's presence in the multiverse, getting closer and closer until she finally showed up with America, then the movie would continue with some Wanda v. Wanda showdowns, etc, etc. OMG, I wish they did that with Wanda instead of how they did MOM!
Some great points. Never really thought about because 1 she read the evil book and became god like powerful.. 2 she has decided to get a family no matter the cost. Sometimes people just make a choice and keep going no matter the cost. 3 once you realise there's a multiverse with endless copies of everyone does anyone matter (Rick and Morty morality) 4 it's mavel init
It really does show that Sam Raimi did not see Wandavision, and I think that it really hurts the movie. Also just to mention, I feel like my first viewing was a bit guided given I knew a bit about the Comics and how Wanda goes crazy for her children so I was already expecting something but out of context I do see your points
It's funny how I found this video. I am an MCU fan who never saw Better Call Saul. I loved Wandavision and I hated what was done to Wanda's character in the Dr Strange film. I would get into arguments online with Marvel fanatics who said I "didn't pay attention" to the finale of Wandavision and it was the fault of the Darkhold. I kept saying it was poor writing and wasn't earned but couldn't properly express exactly what my problem with the switch was. Then I binged the entirety of Better Call Saul. The painstaking character work in that show really drove home how shoddy, sloppy, and destructive the writing for Wanda's character was in Dr Strange 2, especially after all the work that had been done in Wandavision. I've been binging BCS video essays non-stop and came across yours. Then I saw this video. Wow.
Honestly, Can Someone explain to me how Wanda and shape reality and create illusions at will with no mind control? Since her power originated from the Mind Stone, how is she creating reality at will? Since there are no mutants or Inhumans during phase 2 and the Mind Stone does not give the wielder power to creating reality at will.That is strictly what the Reality Stone Does. That is a huge plot whole from Wanda Vision and Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness. The Writers basically gave Wanda powers of the Reality stone without having a Reality stone. She is a walking talking Infinity stone.
Her powers are Chaos Magic, reality warping, telekinesis and telepathy(in the mcu). The stone didn't "give" her powers. She had them since birth, exposure to the stone amplified them, that's why she became the Scarlet Witch. She's much more than a walking infinity stone, she's basically a walking infinity gauntlet except her powers work and warp all realities, not just the one she comes from. She's much more dangerous than someone weilding an infinity stone, simply because once you remove an infinity stone from its home reality, it's just a very pretty paper weight. It's a bit more complex in the comics. Her mutant power was probability control, which is sort of a low class reality warping power. Then it was retconned that she was cursed by Chthon at birth, giving her access to his powers so one day he would return and wreak chaos on the multiverse using her as a vessel/portal. It's a bit complex to explain how her powers actually work, it's even touched upon in the comics that QuickSilver didn't even really know how they work. She's just extremely powerful and basically her powers can do whatever the plot line required and that they are rooted in Chaos Magic.
I had no problems with wandavision at all i think wandavision was the best underrated amazing fun disney plus series to me in my honest unpopular opinion it gave it a 10 out of 10 i enjoy it so much
i also want to say that i love wanda's story it was good to me her story was not bad to me at all i do disagree most say wanda story was bad but i respect everyone's difference opinions
This is quite a few times now that directors have said they haven't watched the movie or show before or consulted the source material. I no longer wonder why everything is starting to suck.
They really f'd up Wanda and her intentions. Not only did Sam Raimi not watch all of "WandaVision" and get it but the screenwriter didn't as well (as he also stated publicly". Elizabeth Olsen is incredible as Wanda and not only deserves more, she deserves BETTER!!!!
I don't think they knew what to do with her when Phase 3 concluded. Looking at all those shows, they are a directionless chaos. Also: I do not like when a character has vague powers. In Multiverse of Madness she is basically a god, capable of removing mouths, healing herself and turning men into spaghetti in a second. Why? Because the writers were too dumb to make use of the powers we all knew and understood from previous films.
As an published author, I'd say that a quick fix to the "vague powers" thing is to have vague/explicit limits to it. For example, make Wanda take a deep breath and struggle a little to stay conscious after killing Reed, showing that doing that exhausted her to a degree; or her nose bleeding after killing Xavier, showing that a mental fight with the most powerful telepath ever damaged her physical health in a certain way. Like this, it'd keep the vagueness of her powers, but know that she has some kind of limits here and there, which would enhance her stakes by "she's damaging her own body to do all this and isn't stopping at all 😳!!!" And, yeah, I made this with a character of my book series: almost everything she can do is vague, but her physical reactions show that it has a few limits here and there 😁🤗.
@@RodrickMarsMoon That would require showing a female character with flaws and modern Hollywood (especially Disney) try to force the narrative that all females are perfect.
She keeps flipping back and forth between hero and villain its so jarring, that's not an anti-hero its just bad inconsistent writing. She started out a villain so its nothing subversive or groundbreaking to turn her into a big bad. Its like these writers want a Dark Phoenix moment without ever understanding why that story worked so well.
to be fair in this one instance I presume the multiverse itself allows them to bring those characters back whenever they want, so their introduction and subsequent deaths don’t mean we won’t see them again.. the issue however arrives that they’ll need to be shown to be a lot stronger, with a deeper delve into their characters, and not die the second time around, because otherwise they’ll feel very throw-away and that’s the biggest problem with multiverse storytelling, you have to make each and every incarnation of the same character important to the audience or you’ll soon deplete the interest in that character and by extension the novelty of the multiverse within the mcu will grow increasingly tiresome. right now it’s a tool, one which they can use to fix many problems they have introduced into phase 4’s messy and at times outright poor storytelling, but they’ll need to use it wisely and not merely as a cameo tool or a quick refresh button on a character they don’t intend to use properly and without clear purpose
I feel like it would have made more sense if Chthon was slowly possessing her as she tried to learn about her powers, we still get villain Wanda while having possession an excuse to have her do all of that with her intention being to have more control of her powers to harken back to Wandavision and it takes a soul removal spell from strange to snap her out of it
When she attacks Xavier she literally looks exactly like Chthon-possesed Wanda. The whole point of her journey is to defy Chthon, so showing her struggling against her nemesis as he uses the Darkhold against her is vital to her story.
I really liked this video and I think it explains Wanda to an excellent degree. I will have to push back on Wanda not knowing what she was doing in Westview. By episode four, we know she's in control and that she knows she's in control. I think it fits into her descent since they were going the villain ark. Marvel has always sucked at Villains, so idky I thought they'd do her justice.
Yeah she knows she's in control but not that she's causing pain. She thought she was giving the people nice thoughts and they were all following the sitcom routine and stuff. Mind you when she arrives in Westview for the first time she sees that the people are all unhappy. So after she accidentally creates the hex and sees them all happy and whimsical and fun she's obviously gonna love that. When Vision tells her that she's causing pain she's just in complete denial. She can't allow herself to believe that her perfect life is causing pain. Because that would obviously mean giving that up. But when Agatha SHOWS her that it's true what Vision said she completely breaks down and immediately tried to destroy the hex. If she knew what she was really doing then her reaction here doesn't really make sense to me.
Imagine if there is a Plot Twist in Multiverse of Madness that Wanda was possessed by either Chnton or Mephisto all along which revealed all of the events in WandaVision were manipulated by the same being that led Wanda into a villain, it could have been a mind blown to everyone.
I’m so glad to see a video about this. I’ve been a Scarlet Witch fan for 11 years, long before she even showed up in the MCU. And unfortunately, this isn’t anything new. Wanda Maximoff as a character, has been through decades of needless, pointless character decimation, with two comics stories in particular turning her from a trusted Avenger and teammate into a dangerous, mentally unstable monster. One of those stories involves a grief stricken Scarlet Witch creating a reality where everyone else has their heart's desire, just so she can be with her children in peace. It led to the exceedingly famous panel where she utters three damning words that still follow her, even after 19 years. “No more mutants.” Only now, in the comics, are writers giving her any kind of storyline that isn’t “she’s a dangerous, unstable woman who could kill everyone with a sneeze.” So when WandaVision was announced, I was hesitant, but excited. I was praying that the MCU would skate over these two horrendous stories that were as much about Wanda as Lord of the Rings is about the One Ring. Unfortunately, in seeing Wanda take a whole town of people hostage, torment them magically just for her own purposes, and be shown actively doing it, as opposed to being controlled by some malevolent outside entity, it was aggravating, to say the least. But it was fine, there was still hope, she ended the series truly sorry and willing to make amends and take accountability for her actions. And then I heard about MoM. I’ve never been a fan of Stephen Strange, both because of his personality, and also because of his hand in Wanda's anguish in the comics. Every conversation about powerful magic users in Marvel usually starts with him, and totally disregards Wanda. But this isn’t really about him, this is about the writers absolutely decimating Wanda's character and choices, just because they couldn’t think of a better villain for the movie. Again. It’s absurdly pathetic, that once again, no one at Marvel could think of anything better than “crazy lady with too much power and too many emotions, must be put down like a rabid animal.” Wanda is a hero who has been through unbelievable grief and trauma, adversities and hatred aimed her way, and continues to get back up, to do the right thing, and protect people with her powers and her magic. The Spider-Man quote “With great power comes great responsibility,” rings as true for Wanda Maximoff as it does for Peter Parker. There’s something so stupid and undermining to the message Marvel likes to put forward about heroes emerging from great tragedy to protect others from the same fate, only to show Wanda hunting an orphan from another dimension, murdering people and being totally unrepentant in her actions. She knows better, we saw it over the course of three movies, we saw that growth from a scared and angry young woman into an Avenger, sacrificing the last person who loved her best in order to save the world. And then the execs and writers tossed that out the window because why challenge yourself to make a good villain when you could throw the Scarlet Witch under the bus? Again. Wanda Maximoff deserves better writing. We as fans of hers deserve better writing. Wanda Maximoff should never have been shunted into a villainous role, she has mostly always been a hero. She's kind, strong and compassionate, even when she has every right to be a misanthropic hermit for the rest of her life. Kindness is strength. Grief can be transmuted into compassion, and it’s something the Scarlet Witch has done time and time again. I’m hoping that the new Agatha show brings her back to be the fully realized hero she was always supposed to be. But until then, Wanda Maximoff defender for life. ❤
THANK YOU! so glad someone is like finally standing up for Wanda and her character because she absolutely WAS NOT A VILLAIN throughout the movies and wandavision....and then all of a sudden caused the most brutal deaths in the MCU. I will never like Doctor Strange MoM because the Wanda in that movie is nothing like the Wanda in the rest of the MCU and it was really sad to see a sensitive, caring, and ultimately selfless character be turned into one of the scariest and most horrific villains in the series
I would argue the title should be "how not to turn a mass murderer into a hero and then turn her back into a villain and expect people to be surprised". Because I wasn't. The MCU never convinced me she changed from the start of Age of Ultron, so her allowing her grief to lead her back to murdering people again, after also being responsible of accidentally killing people even while good, didn't really surprise me. I never liked this version of Scarlet Witch. I've liked Wanda from various xmen cartoons, but never got attached to this one.
8:23 you absolutely can say her powers aren’t believable. She can basically now do anything and everything the plot needs, despite not even knowing his to do a hex before being told how by Agatha. MoM has no idea what it’s doing with her powers. 9:57 Wanda is only a victim of her spell for an episode or three. She willingly corrects everyone’s behavior when they break her fantasy and is aware when vision is trying to leave. She stops him with full knowledge of what she’s doing and EXTENDS her barrier to prevent vision from escaping. She even resets him and the townspeople when they break character. She knows she is controlling the town when she throws Monica out as well. They are begging her to die and to free them and their children and she doesn’t because she doesn’t want to sacrifice her own happiness. As if she is the only one who suffered during the events of thanos and the snap. Her assassination started in wandavision. And of course she softens the landing of the army Agatha attacks. Agatha had been trying to convince her that she was a monster and she wanted to prove her wrong. In an earlier scene she threatens said soldiers for trying to free the town telling them not to interfere and saying that she isn’t the one with a gun lmao implying they are the tRuE ThrEAt
She was in denial that the people were being hurt. She did not believe Hayward when he said she took a town "hostage". A scene later she had a whole argument with vision where she clearly sincerely told him she does not know what's going on, only that she has a family again and there is some dome over the town. By episode 6 she realized she had some form of control over it and that caused her depression phase in episode 7. Throughout the show she did not even know what happened or how it started but she knew she did not want to leave. She only went to sword to tell them to leave her alone, they shot a missle at her. She saved those soldiers because that's who she is. Anyone would struggle to take down the hex. I know I would.
I definitely agree there should’ve been more in between multiverse of madness and wandavision. Imo the best way to go about it given her character is what you suggested with a second season of wandavision because the way the first season went fit so well with her character naturally, then multiverse was such whiplash given what we know. But if she was corrupted and we saw her slowly becoming evil against her will because of needing the only darkhold to solve a problem that would make ao much more sense. And then we see her true character peeking through at the end of the movie too when she remembers this is not who she is and stops her tirade to search for her kids at all costs. Her coming back to her senses at least a little despite all odds, that she really isn’t a monster at heart. And also it would be nice to see white vision and whatever the hell was going on with him after he just dipped after hex vision helped him remember who he is. Like did he go into the sun? Is he living his best life? Who the hell knows
Be happy you guys never read The Ultimates 3, where Wanda and Pietro are in an incestuous relationship, where Pietro is so clingy and possessive he threatens to kill anyone who even speaks to Wanda...where's that barf emoji...
I think she could've been a kinda not too heroic hero. I agree with wanda shouldn't be a full fledged avenger and join every mission. She could've been assigned to stand by until big events come up. She can still side with cap in civil war but make people think tony is right, she's dangerous. In infinity war, she should just protect vision by caging him with her power but vision somehow figured out a way to use that cage to destroy mind stone. That could be counted as her killing him, and after thanos interfere, it still make the double death. I agree with the endgame ending where she would be isolated or isolated herself from others and only talk to clint. I prefer wanda defeated in wandavision and ran away to the mountain place.
I always figured it was the darkhold that made her change so fast. I truly feel like they could have done her better. And I hope they can redeem her some how. I just don’t see how.
I think what really got in the way was the desire to keep Wanda as the villain a twist. Wandavision could have had pretty much the same story but if they highlighted darker tendencies and made her reluctantly give up her family rather than graciously, the transition to a villain would’ve been smoother but much more obvious. And they clearly couldn’t do that given how much they tried to keep her villain status a secret up until multiverses release
The way Wanda suddenly become so violent and murderous is such whiplash that it disturbs me to my core-by that I mean, I’m disturbed by the writers. “It was the Darkhold!” no that’s the excuse the writers used to take a woman who has undergone so much grief and so much pain and who faced that grief head-on in WV, who already had a rock-bottom of bringing immense pain to others while still not being a bloodthirsty, violent person. I would’ve much rather seen Wanda trying to atone for what she did in WV than to see everything she ever fought for be absolutely, wholly spat upon by her becoming a vicious murderer of good people for her own gain. It’s not even a gradual, planned-out descent into villainy, it’s like the writers and director took a baseball bat to her knees and knocked her off a cliff.
There will be one out today! If you're referring to the mid-season finale, I thought it was done well. I just think the Lalo storyline has been sorta convoluted. I don't think it will eclipse Breaking Bad, that is for sure, but I suppose that was always gonna be a tough ask.
You know I mean wanda and Iron Man are the same cause Iron man did a mistake Once by inventing nuclear weapons that killed wanda's parents that's how wanda also did a mistake. Iron Man wanted to take revenge from Bucky who kill his parents and the same happens to wanda. Iron Man indirectly kills wanda's parents and wanda wanted to take revenge and Iron man only just save the world by giving his life but Wanda saved the whole multiverse by destroying her life and dark hold in every universe
In the movie, Wanda’s argument was actually reasonable. She was supposed to be a hero in Infinity War. She blew a hole in her husband’s head, sacrificing the love of her life to make sure Thanos couldn’t get all 6 stones, but Strange giving the time stone to Thanos undid all her actions, making her efforts meaningless. When Thanos brought Vision back and crushed Vision’s skull, Vision’s blood was actually on Strange’s hands. From Wanda’s point of view, if Strange could justify his action leading up to the deaths of Vision, Black Widow, and Iron man was for the greater good, why can’t she justify taking America’s power is also for the greater good? I mean, who is to say Strange didn’t have selfish motives? In another timeline, it was literally Strange who died after using the darkhold to defeat Thanos. Of course our Strange wouldn’t choose that fate for himself.
Our Strange had numerous factors pinning him to that one victory. 838 Strange had an entirely different roster of people to work with against Thanos, including Blackbolt. He was also constrained by the TVA, who only wants that one path in the timeline. Then there is how he might not be able to see an outcome in its entirety if he dies during it.
I wonder if the story would have been saved if the villain wasn’t our Scarlet Witch but an alternate universe version, similar to our Doctor Strange confronting his alternate version. Otherwise, alternate Doctor Strange could have been the main villain, trying to convince Wanda to join him and trying to corrupt her.
@Life Is A Story Well I don’t think the decision to read the darkhold wasn’t justified. Wanda didn’t show any signs of knowing its corruptive effects in both WandaVision and MoM, so we could still go by this point of view. After all, her original intentions with the Darkhold were to better understand her new powers so an accident like Westview wouldn’t happen again. It is only when we see WandaVision’s post-credit scene that we clearly hear the Darkhold’s influence on her by tempting her with the recover of her children. So what became a careful study for control turned into a bloodlusted crusade for family.
After all, many real life books on withcraft are named, Books of Shadows and doesn’t directly mean they’re used for evil. Her decision to read the book was totally justified to control her power and know more about herself than she knows including her fate.
This is the first I've actually heard about any of this, stopped watching after Loki... It's just all too much, too rushed, and keeping up became a job. The MCU ended with Endgame
Bro the darkhold... she turned to it in desperation(analogy for drugs/trauma) and it cemented the monster she became. It wasnt character assassination, it makes sense with how much she's lost, she wants to fill a void. She has a major arc.
And it all happened off screen. So for all intents and purposes her character arc is evil book turns her bad. That's terrible and lazy, especially after they did so much work to develop the character in Wandavision.
@@joelhenry5489 We saw her with it at the end of WV and it gave us a glimpse of the agony/turmoil within her mind. Before she comes into contact with the darkhold she's enslaved thousands of civilians(at the end knowingly and trying to keep the facade still) On top of that we see her enslave the antagonist after she understands how painful it is. That's disturbing as hell and makes it very believable why she went... Dark.
@@buildawall5803 You right for sure, and knowing what it Is(as she obviously does), she was willing to be corrupted to an extent for her own personal gain. Turning to the darkhold for personal gratification (which she does) is worse than the Stephen strange of the illuminati universe because he wanted to defeat thanos. You could argue that was selfless of him.
I may have been okay with Wanda's portrayal in Multiverse of Madness, had it not have completely contrasted her portayal in WandaVision Episode 9. After rewatching WandaVision after Multiverse of Madness, I would have made Episode 9 a little darker in regards to Hayward and his men. Hayward already ordered a drone strike and dispatched white Vision to take her out. So it would have been believeable for him to order a weapons free RoE, and it strictly being a kill mission to end the Maximoff threat once and for all. What I would have changed is, with Wanda's attention being on Agatha and her stress levels already being elavated during the confrontation, Haywards' convoy abumshes them from behind, immediately opening fire. Everything happens so fast, that Wanda's reaction un-alives the squad, and in a rage finishes off a critically wounded Hayward before Monica talks her down. Wanda's horrifed. While Agatha voices her approval, further gaslighting Wanda into seeing herself as dangerous, reminding her about Lagos and previous incidents, and why she's "undeserving" before their fight resumes. At the end of Ep 9, during her parting words with Monica, the latter attempts to ease Wanda's conscious by saying that she acted in self-defense against Hayward who was trying to take her out multiple times, Wanda feels somewhat better, but on the other hand Wanda finds it easier to rationalize and justify the taking of life, by the time she reads the Darkhold. Reading the book amplifies this and manipulates her into believing the taking of life is justified if its in line with her best interests and her children. - Having a flashback scene like this in Multiverse/Madness would have made her mass-murderer nature make more sense. Though with too little time between WV and MM, the 180 would felt a bit abrupt.
@@stygiantwst no he didnt. Literally made excuses for her feelings being hurts. "Oh she didnt know"....well in a court of law, that's called involuntary man slaughter...so, keep justifying and crazy bitch who works off her emotions...like everyone at Disney
I wouldn’t call losing your parents, only sibling, home country, public image, and lover who you had to kill, just ‘your feelings were hurt’. They straight up state that the mind control was torturous because she was unintentionally making them feel all of her grief. But I guess if your analysis of Wanda is correct all she did to them was hurt their feelings. No problem then right?
@@freedompancakes301 when u have the power of an atom bomb at your finger tips, the same nuances dont apply to you. They MUST be held at a higher and more stringent standard.
@@joshuaa7223 Transformers and Fast & Furious make stupid money at the Box Office... Your argument is invalid. People go based on name recognition, not because of good writing. If they did all they great indie films would make hundreds of millions each year, but that's just not how it works.
This is the hugest disappointment from such a potential that lay into complex bombshell of poor and lazy writing with no real effort of feeling the what should of been the most empowering and mind blowing movie ever imagined. it is waste having such a determine and lovely actress who does her deepest and hardest reflection on making such a character into something amazing. it is another reason why i never want lazy Disney to deal with such an amazing character being portrayed by a dedicated actress of all time. It is so obvious that this lazy writing gives them no excuse to complete something as lazy as this and it takes more than one lame season to show direction of why Wanda went down as a threat. It is in Disney to always hire a cheap writer instead of good one who can deliver the workload of expectation. in response of who to study before whiting Wanda, you can study a version of Wanda's younger sister Polaris from the Gifted, Raven from Dc' TeenTitans, and the Two versions of Jean Grey to give a decent level of writing. i don't care if you cant make it great but there a standard of writing you should at least give. i can taste bullshit writing from a mile away. I also learning visual effects and i am completely disgusted on the lazy representation of embodiment of the Wanda as Scarlett Witch. Scarlet Witch is an intense and emotional character that goes in deep and great mental breakdown. it has to fit the bill but nothing but slop. it is not that hard to do. i seen millions done it in cheaper ways but that was just trash. it another disgust on lazy attempt on customize design mixed with hair design. Moment she went into Disney control, her style went in route of lacking. I have no issue in poking comic book looks fun but the official look requires effort and time. it is where artist go deep in reflecting look on this actress that reflect the story she is being part of. it goes deeper in scenery and writing. it was failure and disgrace from what i knew to be something so much more. it has a deeper reflection in how people learn from Wanda in problems of her life. in a sense Wanda and Rogue has a history that is not about the world being black and white. Rogue lives with regret of steal the life and memories along with powers of another mutant who she fought against because she followed orders of her beloved Mother { Mystique}. it dark past to over come and it not easy road. it is not a story for lazy people who don't like to write stories like this. it harsh reality in how you learn to deal with life. Disney is trash. simple as that. it a company that will hire best actors for the worst script imaginable.
It seems that Kylo Ren's line "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. " inspired all the wrong people at Disney. Doctor Strange 2 was unbelievably horrible.
Don't really agree, Its not unplausible to a Hero turn to villain, after have lost so much, plus it is consistent with her character in the comics, who goes from hero to villain every now and then. I think where they failed, is that they could've made more clear that she was being corrupted by the darkhold, and making hzr actions more from the darkhold than her own. And that could lead to a sequence where they could introduce the demon C'thon(the one who's written the darkhold) in a future movie.
In wandavision Wanda deliberately keeps the town enslaved for a LONG time. She knows everything she's doing but she's just in denial. I don't think it's unreasonable to read some dark magic book. Though you made some good points and marvel did rush her development similar to how they did with Loki. Wanda skips characterization by reading a book and Loki skips charactization by watching a movie.
It sounds like they couldn't decide what type of character to make her, redeemable or irredeemable. And they tried to have their cake and eat it too, and ended up with 💩
I don’t believe Wanda unconsciously created the Hex in Wanda Vision. We see multiple instances where something or someone attempts to make Wanda face reality (not just the reality of her loss, but the reality of her horrific and selfish actions) and she becomes angry and avoidant. - she makes Mr.Hart choke on his food when he was poking too much into things she didn’t want to think about/didn’t want Vision to think about - she sees the Sword drone and expels it from the Hex - she rewinds and resets the scene when she sees the Sword Agent emerge from the manhole - she becomes angry when realizing that Rambeau isn’t one of her puppets and expels her from the Hex and lies to Vision about it and carries on with the “show” - she continues to alter the world around her and “start over” in a new tv-show adjacent world every time something doesn’t go her way and she can’t face the truth that she knows but chooses to avoid and deny - she gaslights Vision when he begins to question things - she gets angry with Vision when he confronts her - she brings more kids out into the neighborhood when Vision notes the lack of children - she expands the borders of the Hex - she consciously changes the furniture when things go wonky - she confronts the Sword agents outside of the Hex and warns them not to interfere with her literal hostage situation There are a lot of examples of how Wanda very intentionally did everything we see her do in the show. I don’t think there was ever a point where she didn’t know what was happening and just went along with it.
Wow just watch this good video. I would say Wandas transformation was far worse than The one on Game of Thrones. Because I don't see how you can never bring that character back and I know fans will forgive anything because it's all fiction. Sadly sometimes people forgive anything in real life too. But she tortured to people in Westview even though she may not admit to but in Doctor Strange she just straight up murdered peopleyeah there's no coming back from that.
I am actually thankful this movie did this bad arc and here’s why. It’s a reminder to avoid the “power mad woman” trope. It’s a trope as old and misogynistic as the “damsel in distress.” Hopefully more people see it for what it is and it progressively leaves our literature and film.
Marvel has done this trope more times (Jean twice, plus Wanda) than they have made female solo movies (and in one of those 2 movies the protagonist was already dead).
Yes let’s ruin a characters 8 years long awaited story finally and then destroy it in 40 minutes screen time in some else’s film whilst heavily destroying an actresses career at the same time without thought or plans ahead, they’ll definitely helped the “trope” moving forward. You want the likes of Cp Marvel,Monica,Kamala,Shehulk,Echo ect as Marvels pinnacle female characters? They literally had the least “Woke Mary Sue” character and then proceed to ruin the character entirely and now they’re the characters we are left with for the next few phases 🤦
I think the Multiverse saga is ruining a lot of really interesting superheroes like Wanda that were secondary protagonists in the Infinity Saga, because they have to share space with other IPs and their famous lines from other franchises The multiverse is a mess, and it shouldn’t a core plot point for any “saga”. It’s too much of a mess, and prevents us from witnessing characters like Wanda and Dr Strange actually develop and become iconic Because let’s be honest, Dr Strange kinda drew the short straw in this movie too. Even Benedict Cumberbatch in interviews didn’t seem to think Strange got any solid development
i think tying all her villainous acts to the darkhold and it’s influence is just very lazy and honestly insulting writing. this way when she comes back, she doesn’t really have to do much to redeem herself, she doesn’t even have to take responsibility for her actions because it was the darkhold controlling her and she did the right thing and destroyed it. now compare this to the comics where wanda practically *is* the darkhold and literally has Chthon possessed inside her body (under her control, never his). in the comics she’s reached a certain level of power that would make any fight with her just useless so they find other creative ways to make her useful or continue her story. i think that’s how it should be here. also, the demonstration of her powers in MoM was lazy asf
@@misty3195 Anyone would struggle to remove the hex. It wasn't as easy as just doing it. She was suffering from psychosis, denial and complete suppression in this reality where she had a happy life. She didn't even fully understand or grasp what was happening and her subconscious didn't want to.
@The Multiverse Productions No, what happened was more on a maladaptive daydreaming level, not a true psychosis or even a dissociative episode. She had full control and showed this in every episode. She just didn't know how she did it. Someone who is maladaptive daydreaming will refuse to face reality, even to the point of hurting others. They find that their daydream and fantasy is better and safer. The fact that anytime anyone questioned her daydream, they got hurt shows this. In the first episode, the husband questioned her fantasy and backed her into a corner, and he started to chock on his food. The housewife also got cut when she confronted Wanda. Wanda herself rewinded time on purpose whenever Vision started to learn and question her fantasy. The biggest clue is that she could leave her fantasy at her own freewill and go back in. Someone who is having an episode of dissociative or psychosis has no control anymore and can't come in and out at their own leisure. Also, when she was confronted by the townspeople, she acted in defense to her fantasy and attacked them and tried to gaslight them inorder to continue to stay in her own happiness. Which is typical to maladaptive daydreamers. She told Vision herself that she was aware of the outside and real life when they were fighting and didn't want to face reality.
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Agreed, I feel turning her into a villain is not only a huge disserve to her arc, but also to Vision who believed in her and inspired her in a way to do the right thing at the end of WandaVision. Not only that, but doing so sort of shows little care for the invested in her arc audience.
XD I mean, in the comics she literally rewrites history. It was nice to see her stop caring about everyone else so much and going after what she wanted. No matter the cost. I mean, she even "tried" to be reasonable.
No it destroys her character and places it in reverse
@ralphwarom2514 have a hard time seeing it as "nice to see her go after what she wanted" when that involved a murderous rampage.
@@gerrigarrick she only killed people who were superheroes going in her way. At least this time it wasn’t civilians. The sorcerers and the Illuminati are soldiers, they dedicated their lives to their duty. The fact that some of them have families don’t change the fact that they were aware that they could die at war.
@@gerrigarrickSome of the defense this film gets baffles me. My best friend loved the movie (gave it an 8/10) simply because "in the comics she's just as powerful." I need to grill him and ask pointed questions so he realizes how shallow and irrelevant of a non-excuse that is lol.
Let’s just all agree that Michael waldron single handedly ruined her entire character. It’s extremely disappointing to see how horribly he handled her arc and pacing.
You got to give it to Elizabeth Olson for caring about her character.
@Bully Maguire 🤨
She cared more than the writers did.
@Follow God:God loves you repent it will be worth it God bless you all💕💜♥️❤
Why does it always have to end with a grief/scorned red headed woman with telekenetic powers ending the world?
Wait what are other examples I need to know, if you are willing to do so.
@@praxedescabrera7697 Jean Grey
if i have a penny for a red headed woman with telekinetic powers prophesied to end the world, I have 2 pennies. but it is weird it happens twice
@@crossovermultiverse3882 I understood that reference
@@buildawall5803 ye its meant to be a joke
It may be irrational of me, but I've always found Wanda's resolve to remain a hero despite all her heartache extremely inspiring.
Her going full villain really insulted me because of that.
Yah I think when steve told her not to feel bad about killing civilians with collateral damage it really wasn't what she needed and conveniently steve doesn't have to deal with wanda
she was barely the good girl to be begin, she was always morally grey at the best of times.
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@@carlosrivas1629
"ALWAYS MORALLY GREY"
Yeah sure let's see how you remain morally eclectic with your parent's killer and when you have to save the world for someone you love by killing them.
@@JitendraSingh-qd7jk she is and none of what you said changes that; trauma at a young age did not help that.
It's so bizarre how evil she is in the movie. She didn't hesitate kills dozens of people in horrific ways. When did she change so much that??
She got corrupted by the darkhold
Darkhold we already saw it's power in agents of shield where it completely changed a mindless Android so I think it does have very very significant effect on a conscious human mind
I'm convinced no one watched wandavision
@@TOM-ro7rt Except the whole point of the ending of Wandavision was that she can't hurt other people because she's hurting or grieving, it's wrong to do.
@@BratzRockAngels then the post credit literally showed her reading the darkhold and hearing her kids
seriously, Marvel failed Wanda here.
Marvel” failed” Wanda since the 2000’s and 90’s when she become a hero/villain/selfish person. It’s not really the studio it’s the comics
@@Error_-ct2vp Exactly. The comics deliberately destroyed her, and have been actively spiteful towards her. She and Vision are the only characters not to to have got a push in the comics to coincide with the MCU; pretty much everyone else has. It feels like a pointed snub.
She barely appears in comics anymore as a result of Bendis assassinating her, for Wanda's fans, someof whom read Avengers comics during her decades long tenure on the team, it is like being kicked in the face.
@@Relugus how so? She’s ALWAYS shown to be a bit of a bitchy antihero. I don’t know why you’re exactly rooting towards a selfish and almost unlikeable mutant.
@@Relugus damn didn’t know that, didn’t she appear in a new issue of omega darkhold?
@@MrNoob-ev4kt yeah, and she also became powerful on the levels of the White Phoenix of the Crown.
You talked about something really important about Wanda. She doesn't like to inflict pain on others. She was horrified of Ultron's plan. When she lost control containing the bomb and ended up killing people in the building she felt horrible for what she did. When agatha set free the minds of westeview residents, they said "We have your nightmares". The first thing she said wasn't a justification, it was "what?! no!". She realized at that moment it wasn't mind control, it was mental torture and released them and then the town after defeating Agatha. From begining to end Wanda doesn't like to inflict pain and never ran way from her responsabilites. It doesn't make sense she flying away from the police and then becoming a cold blooded murderer in MoM.
I'm a Wanda Stan and I loved seeing Wanda be all powerful in MoM and I'm even okay with her being the villain, the only thing I didn't like was her motivation for being the villain, in the wandavision post credit scene it showed her using the dark hold when she hears her kids calling out to her, her kids were saying things like "mom help" and "please". I understand wanda believing that her kids are in danger and wanting to help them by doing whatever is nesscascary even if it means hurting people, this would have been a much more believable justification for her actions instead of just I want my kids back so I'm going to steal a girls powers killing her in the process and then travel to another universe where my kids are living happy lives with there mother and then I'm going to kill there mother and raise them myself, I hope that marvel realizes there mistake and gives Wanda the redemption ark she deserves.
Dude that’s literally what the fuck she is. She’s always been a selfish person I don’t understand why people are so upset
That would be a better excuse but in my opinion, those screams weren’t her children, they were tempting whispers of the Darkhold in her years towards her corruption.
@@martimtorres9093 or they could’ve used those screams to indicate that her children were in trouble, like in the comics, they were 2 fragments of Mephisto’s soul (correct me if im wrong) and Marvel could’ve done something similar where Wanda tries to save them and by doing so, breaks the multiverse and Strange has to stop her, leading to a conflict between them. Then they both find out there’s a demonic entity behind everything and work together. Something like this but better would’ve been such a better movie imo, I would’ve loved to see the original script done for this.
@@MrNoob-ev4kt that would be great as well
My issue is as you mentioned, he just wanting the kids rather than trying to save them. It's also the fact that it's as if Vision and pietro don't exist. I haven't seen wandavision or MOM but I know enough of about them to understand enough.
The book I believe enhances a person's motivation and longing to a destructive level. But in Wandavision, we were lead to believe that she realised what she was doing and learned to not make these similar mistakes.
I would have liked it if Dr Strange actually built a stronger foundation with Wanda instead of her becoming a villain, or even say she's starting to descend to villainy but Strange shows empathy towards her as he too has sacrificed a lot. They could have both had an arch across multiverses in some way where they see the different versions of themselves and in the end learn to appreciate the small things in their life, to accept their situation and push forward for a better life. I wouldn't know who the villains should be or the threat, perhaps one idea could be them both from another universe where they both fight and see the path they could have lead, maybe the other Strange and Wanda (Scarlett witch) could have been the ones travelling across universes with evil other world Wanda being the one wanting her children, and our Wanda realises what she could have been, and at the end is motivated to learn her capabilities but also how to not give into the dark hold.
Strange being the same way but also learning to appreciate what he has and the two end up close friends, perhaps see eachother more as platonic family
Now if we kept the concept of MOM we have I'd have probably add Vision and Pietro as part of the goal Wanda has. Or if not at least have her mention why they aren't. Maybe she's seen them both die, like in their physical forms, and mentally that has her feel that they're a lost cause. We know (correct me if I'm wrong) Vision was recreated and exists again. If he saw what Wanda was doing show how he'd feel and react to it, how he'd be involved, does he know her the way IW Vision did or was he reborn with no memory? Perhaps it's a matter of the two having to rebuild what was lost, or if they even can given Wanda may not feel he's HER Vision and that new Vision doesn't know who she was before he was reborn and therefore doesn't have that same connection with her.
Just watched the WandaVision final fight scene, after she takes Agathas powers, Agatha said “you don’t know what you’ve done”, they could have expanded on that so easily! Agatha absorbed magic during her centuries that was evil, and helped to corrupt Wanda. Instead, nothing has happened with that. Wanda didn’t even try to continue learning from Agatha or try to find out what Agatha meant.
Anakin Skywalker in the prequels is a far better example of how to do a tragic character correctly. Through a combination of his childhood traumas, character flaws and circumstances, Anakin ends up descending into ever increasing paranoia and desperation over the supposed imminent death of his pregnant wife to the point where he ends up making a deal with the devil who’s spent the past 15 years convincing him that he’s actually the angel on his shoulder.
Yeah also the movie framing is a little bit strange, like it’s sometimes pretending that Wanda isn’t a mass murderer. The prequels have problems but once Anakin attacked the Jedi Temple, the story treats him as a straight up villain and doesn’t try to excuse anything he did.
@@jakobrenner2230 she was corrupted by the darkhold
Victim of Ultimate Gaslighting.
they should rename the MCU to the MCAU Marvel Character Assassination Universe
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You do realize that the comic books have assassinated Wanda Maximoff's character a bazillion times more than the studios have, right?!
I know Elizabeth was uncomfortable with the drastic change and I thought it was lazy writing.
Wanda is my favourite character and to see her so mistreated was painful and that ending was an insult to her too. Stephen Strange made so many similar choices and as Wanda said he's hailed a hero. I hope Kevin and Marvel see this and rectify it with Childrens Crusade.
higher body count than her weekend with ultron?
@@bioticgod4940 I hear that The Scarlet Witch was supposed to kill more people.
What similar choices has strange made
@@Kukisei using dangerous multiverse breaking spell for a kid so he can go to mit college
@@viviul2003 yeahhhhhh about that. Strange wasn’t going to help him until peter said how it’s affecting his friends and as soon as he messed up he tried to fix the spell.
Not only that but also:
In the post credit scene of Wandavision, Wanda is studying the Darkhold when suddenly she hears her kids calling out to her for help. "Mom, help us. Please."
The show sets up an understandable and sympathetic motivation: Her kids are presumably in danger, so she's going to search the multiverse in hopes of finding and saving them.
Hard cut to MOM and this is never acknowledged. Her motivation now is changed to something unbelievably horrific and evil: Wanda has been dreaming about her kids every night. She's been chilling in her cabin, sending demons after America in order to steal her powers and has a very specific plan in mind. She'll leave Universe 616 and head to another. There she'll kill her variant, take her place and raise the kids. The kids that she *knows* are safe and happy with their *actual* mother. Earlier in the film, it is revealed that dreams are the window to other universes.
By changing the reason for her descent into ruthless villainy from "my kids are in grave danger, i don't know where but i need to find them immediately so get the fuck out of my way" to "i want to find a universe where I'm happy with my kids and so, i will kill my variant and raise my (hers) children", the writer shoots himself on the foot and open a can of worms.
The only reason why people complain about the lack of Vision, Pietro or hell even Wanda's parents it's because of the way that the movie stupidly presents her reasoning and contrasts it with Strange's "are you happy". Nobody would question Wanda, if she was desperately searching ONLY for her kids while their cries tormented her. But alas...
The Darkhold did corrupt her though, without that she definitely would not have gone the route that she did in MoM
I agree, it would have been more sympathetic and impactful for her to to be trying to SAVE her children not steal them from her variant.
I completely agree that should have been her motivation and I think her using the Darkhold out of desperation would have corrupted her to the point of killing anyone standing in her way. That way, we would have had a powerful and emotional motivation that we can empathize with while still having her become villainous. I loved the idea of her ultimately becoming villainous but only with a justified descent
yea why would u purposefully write a less sympathetic motivation
@@shadowscythes nah. She was always a selfish sociopath. The darkhold had nothing to do with what she did to the people of Westview.
I could also see the darkhold making Wanda believe her alt-kids were in danger and twisted her mind and perception to make her a villain in her ruthlessness to "save them". It's really too bad they did such a lazy script for MOM, I agree with you completely here.
Secret Invasion is damn bound to defend this lazy move by maybe revealing to the audience that Wanda was a Skrull
I think there's a chance it would have been more palatable if we were given at least the first act to digest her progression into a villain. If we had time to witness the darkhold transforming Wanda. But movie screenplays don't usually have that kind of time to devote to the antagonist's setup. Unfortunately, for the audience, we know Wanda as a hero already, more than that as the protagonist of her own series. We rooted for her for over 6 hours of television. Therefore, the movie and the fans would have been better served with a different villain who didn't need the audience to change their minds about who said villain was and wouldn't be upset having to do so in order to make the character arc to work.
@@gerrigarrick Excellent point
@@sarahthedyslexiclibrarian4914 Thanks! I still wouldn't have liked it, because WandaVIsion is still my fave of the Marvel Disney+ shows and I enjoyed rooting for Wanda. That said, at least if we were given the time to see her transformation it would have been a bit easier to accept. As stated in the video this really was a character assasination in MOM.
@@gerrigarrick Oh I adored Wandavision, I thought it was a fantastic character study. I really do feel very much the same as you. Still, I agree that with time and a well-layered story she COULD have worked as a villain if they were really going to go that way.
I think the reason for her villain era is simple. The writers bound themselves to making Wanda the villain, purely because she is capable of showing immense power. The writers should've watched Wandavision and analyzised it for her change to make sense, but they didn't. They simply took the darkhold and made it the entire cause of her corruption, neglecting her entire story. It's a shame how lazy they were with writing Wanda from a hero to villain, but I still really enjoyed the movie because I still loved her character. I hope they don't make the same mistake again.
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Her arc in MoM is too similar to her own in the wandavision series and Eternals with Icarus (good intentions but then realizing they were wrong) which just happened in the MCU timeline.
Mf did you even read icarus?💀
Stealing someone else children is not a good intention
@@BrokenSIMGlasses they meant, wanting her children back so she can finally be happy but I see your point
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I remember seeing somewhere Wanda was supposed to be a Villian much later down the line but Rami (?) said "why should they get the good villain" and decided to rush the arc. Such a shame because I loved Wanda and they ruined her arc
I wish she was more of an ally in Multiverse instead of a villain
I think MOM was a BIG mistake. And Olsen's Wanda should have another opportunity.
She will...in her future solo movie.
Mulitverse of Madness was meant to be Wandas arc into villainy but the writer didn't want to do that as he wanted a villainous Wanda. So you get this massive jarring of Wanda now being a killer for little to no reason. I think in Wandavision Wanda was still a villain at the end as she still saw herself as innocent of what she had done. Making Wanda a villain fits but it was just done so badly but then Marvel has always sucked at villains
I thought Dr. Strange and TMOM would be them both teaming up and exploring the multiverse together for some reason but nope. Sam had to f*ck it up
blame michael waldron
Granted I have not seen Wandavison yet but I thought Elizabeth Olsen gave such a great performance as Wanda that it worked for me I totally believed she was a mother who was willing to go to extreme length to get back together with her children and that final scene with her is heartbreaking.
If Marvel wanted to go the anti-hero/villain route then she needed to be in endgame, that alone could've served as the movie where she starts to lose her cool and maybe you can show her starting to warp reality in an end credits scene. That leads into WandaVision where we see the effects of that. And maybe we see in WV that the presence of the Darkhold is slowly corrupting her, even though she wants to do good. That could culminate into MoM as she's been fully transformed by being so enveloped in studying it.
But that would also require the studio to collaborate as a whole and they haven't seemed to have the desire to do that since after Endgame
Great breakdown. I was really disappointed by what they did to her character.
From what I’ve seen and read, Wanda as a villain was a last second re-write, mauler did a video going into this
Everytime something sad happens, we all think and assume that this is the start of her arc of acceptance and heroic legacy… but every time no she has a chance to become a main avenger and lunch box hero… another sad thing happens and resets her depression.. and multiverse of madness didn’t have that loop.. just when you think it’s gonna happen, it takes a SIKE and k1lls her off at her worst and most depressed and when she feels like a demonic monster
Other dead or retired avengers got acceptance or a finished arc… but Wanda never got that
My friend, with whom i watched the Multiverse of Madness, was like: This makes no sense, I don't want to watch every little thing Marvel puts out just to understand the movies
And I was like: Don't worry, I watched the series and it still doesn't make sense
judging by the clips i've seen, it's a little too gratuitous. I only just realised how much I actually cared about her when she became Scarlet Witch. I don't like the fact that she is Evil now.
DUDE SHES ALWAYS BEEN EVIL
@@Error_-ct2vp No she hasn’t tf? Are we talking about the same Wanda? I’m not talking about Scarlet Witch from the comics.
@@Error_-ct2vp she's never been evil! Only when she was corrupted by the darkhold
Olsen truly gave brilliance, intrigue and power to the character of Scarlet Witch.
Superb actress. 👌❤️
Wanda is my favorite hero what marvel has done to her in wandavision is disgusting
Not really.That is a masterpiece to the intepretation of her character.The real moment marvel did dirty of her was in doctor strange 2.
Same. As far as I'm concerned, after Endgame she went to live with Strange to master her powers and process her grief in a proper way.
What!? Wandavision made her the best character ever! I couldn't have cared less about her before that show!
@@juinyee2704 Exactly. WandaVision showed what grief is, but then MOM took that and said, let's reuse the same concept, except now let's make Wanda evil and blame it on a book.
As a (kinda) long-time reader of hers, it's honestly heartbreaking to see her ending up like this in MCU.
Wanda was not always a popular character, but she was pretty stable and consistant in terms of comic appearances until 2004's Avengers Dissambled and 2005's House of M which functionally made her a plot device to shake up the Avengers lineup as well as creating (yet another) extinction plotline for X-franchise. It took her 7 years to appear in comics again, and even after that she has very limited resources. MCU is her few good news which boosted her popularity by a significant amount, so it' extra insulting when MCU straight up rehashed the very story(or say the general them and toxic tropes) that damned her in the comics.
It's all a sickening joke.
Can’t agree more. There is a serious problem of inconsistency and transition of Wanda’s essential character between Wandavision and Dr. Stranger 2.
Anakin turning to the Dark Side was more believable than Wanda's turn. She's good. Dr. Strange Multiverse is a heartless, WOKE cash grab.
Umm NO it really wasn’t, Anakins “turn” is by far the worst written,easily predictable and worst acted on screen hero to villain journey in most modern media!
Just Star Wars fans eat it up because some nostalgic films 20+ years prior, let’s not act like those films,writing and acting wasn’t heavily criticised for years and bashed without mercy from the most diehard fans until they started simping over Vader because “badass villain” and their need to shift their hate onto the sequels (which i totally get) but let’s not talk like Anakins love story & turn was anything but the most cringeworthy experience over that whole trilogy.
But I guess you weren’t old enough to watch those in theatres and comprehend good writing,direction nor acting with the exception of cool fights am I right? because if you were old enough you’d be able to comfortably admit how terrible it was without fanboying over it.
@@JinxMadness no
Character assassination is one of the most unforgivable crimes in all of imagination
I didn't mind Wanda being a Villain in Multiverse of Madness, because I know what she went through. I just didn't think her turn to the Dark Side was executed well.
To me honestly. Her murderous rampage is from her corruption by the darkhold and it’s spells. Then at the end when she realizes what she became after seeing her children afraid of her, she breaks out of the corruption and then has the emotional moment with 838 Wanda and then doing the right thing in the end by destroying all the darkholds and the throne.
Dude she was still evil even after the book got destroyed. The first thing she tried was to interrogate Wong by nearly killing his mates. The writers are terrible.
@@柳風-x3f I mean yes the book was destroyed but not entire darkhold. Mount wundagore was still a big darkhold. If the mountain wasn’t a threat and couldn’t continue to corrupt people (like Wanda), Wanda wouldn’t have needed to destroy it.
I mean he covers the persisting issue of Wanda using the Darkhold at all @ 12:00. It's extremely lazy and Wanda's character still suffers for it, not "excused" for the murderous rampage. There's no recovery for her character at this point. If they tried some hacked up redemption later, I guarantee people will hate it.
Chthon is going to make her suffer for destroying the Darkhold. She will not be allowed to die.
You can bet he is viciously angry, and he will likely go after the Wanda variants as well now.
@@Relugus definitely not the Wanda variants but our Wanda might be in trouble with him.
WandaVision showed how flawed Wanda was. She's not a hero, and she's not just a villain. She's a bit of both. She was becoming one of the best characters out there, unfortunately, MoM literally destroyed her character. I don't know how she can possibly comeback from that character assassination....
MOM should've been the movie to have Wanda, having become the Scarlet Witch after WandaVision, to team up alongside Strange and Wong to fight a common bigger enemy that's after America Chavez's multiversal travelling powers and they could've had Wanda occasionally using the Darkhold during the movie, slowly falling into darkness. During the movie, they could've kept the dreamwalking story, showing Wanda dreaming about other worlds, but instead, show other Billys and Tommys being unhappy or unsafe in their worlds. Maybe Wanda could tell Strange and Wong about her dreams of other Billys and Tommys being unsafe in other places and Strange could tell her that her dreams are windows into her other variant's lives, which gets Wanda interested in discovering where the boys are to help them. Meanwhile, the villain that they're fighting, during a showdown, could slightly reveal something about America's powers that would pique Wanda's interest and get her to slowly begin thinking about what it'd be like to have those powers to explore the multiverse to get to the unhappy/unsafe Billy and Tommy and by the end, we get the first sign that she's nearly fully corrupted, maybe alone in her cabin or maybe even somewhere in the Sanctum or Kamar Taj, with Strange and Wong elsewhere in the building, even have a voice of some creature or being whispering in Wanda's head about using the Darkhold, and getting America's powers, to travel the multiverse to find and save the unahppy/unsafe Billy and Tommy that she dreamed about, and then, the NEXT Wanda-related movie should've had her as a villain, on a ruthless quest to find and save Billy and Tommy, full force, which would then force Strange and Wong to now view Wanda as an enemy, trying to reason with her, even offering to help her find the boys, but only if she stops her rampage, failing to reason with her, then it becomes a Strange v. Wanda movie showdown, kind of similarly to their MOM battles, but more detailed with longer choreographed battle scenes.
THAT'S how I'd write for Wanda, if I were a writer, for this era of her character. I'd make it a 3 part movie of her descent into darkness for the sake of finding her unhappy variant sons, facing off against Strange in real toe to toe magic battles. I'd even keep the scenes of her rampaging through the 838 Illuminati, who would try to convince her that her intentions are noble, but her execution is villainous, turning into a full throttle fight as they try to stop her rampage, but fail in the end, like MOM. I'd end it with her and America having their fight at Mt. Wundagore and America punching Wanda into the universe where Billy and Tommy are, she finally sees them, is about to save them and take them back with her and then, a bad/evil Wanda steps into the frame, revealing that she's why the boys are unsafe, which leads into the third movie, basically with a brief, 15-20 minute backstory of how the other Wanda came to be evil, how she began harming the boys and even her feeling our Wanda's presence in the multiverse, getting closer and closer until she finally showed up with America, then the movie would continue with some Wanda v. Wanda showdowns, etc, etc. OMG, I wish they did that with Wanda instead of how they did MOM!
That brilliant 👏, heck, multiverse of madness already had a mass murdering monster , the fallen Dr strange
Multiverse is a mess. I heard in the original script there was another villain manipulating her, and that really would have helped.
I can’t believe that they turned her into a villain again. Seriously, it was so bad that her redemption arc in “Age of Ultron” was all for nothing.
Some great points. Never really thought about because 1 she read the evil book and became god like powerful.. 2 she has decided to get a family no matter the cost. Sometimes people just make a choice and keep going no matter the cost. 3 once you realise there's a multiverse with endless copies of everyone does anyone matter (Rick and Morty morality) 4 it's mavel init
It really does show that Sam Raimi did not see Wandavision, and I think that it really hurts the movie. Also just to mention, I feel like my first viewing was a bit guided given I knew a bit about the Comics and how Wanda goes crazy for her children so I was already expecting something but out of context I do see your points
It's funny how I found this video. I am an MCU fan who never saw Better Call Saul. I loved Wandavision and I hated what was done to Wanda's character in the Dr Strange film. I would get into arguments online with Marvel fanatics who said I "didn't pay attention" to the finale of Wandavision and it was the fault of the Darkhold. I kept saying it was poor writing and wasn't earned but couldn't properly express exactly what my problem with the switch was. Then I binged the entirety of Better Call Saul.
The painstaking character work in that show really drove home how shoddy, sloppy, and destructive the writing for Wanda's character was in Dr Strange 2, especially after all the work that had been done in Wandavision. I've been binging BCS video essays non-stop and came across yours. Then I saw this video. Wow.
Honestly, Can Someone explain to me how Wanda and shape reality and create illusions at will with no mind control? Since her power originated from the Mind Stone, how is she creating reality at will? Since there are no mutants or Inhumans during phase 2 and the Mind Stone does not give the wielder power to creating reality at will.That is strictly what the Reality Stone Does. That is a huge plot whole from Wanda Vision and Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness. The Writers basically gave Wanda powers of the Reality stone without having a Reality stone. She is a walking talking Infinity stone.
Her powers are Chaos Magic, reality warping, telekinesis and telepathy(in the mcu). The stone didn't "give" her powers. She had them since birth, exposure to the stone amplified them, that's why she became the Scarlet Witch. She's much more than a walking infinity stone, she's basically a walking infinity gauntlet except her powers work and warp all realities, not just the one she comes from. She's much more dangerous than someone weilding an infinity stone, simply because once you remove an infinity stone from its home reality, it's just a very pretty paper weight. It's a bit more complex in the comics. Her mutant power was probability control, which is sort of a low class reality warping power. Then it was retconned that she was cursed by Chthon at birth, giving her access to his powers so one day he would return and wreak chaos on the multiverse using her as a vessel/portal. It's a bit complex to explain how her powers actually work, it's even touched upon in the comics that QuickSilver didn't even really know how they work. She's just extremely powerful and basically her powers can do whatever the plot line required and that they are rooted in Chaos Magic.
She never got her powers from the stone. If you actually paid attention you would know that the stone only amplified what was already there
I had no problems with wandavision at all i think wandavision was the best underrated amazing fun disney plus series to me in my honest unpopular opinion it gave it a 10 out of 10 i enjoy it so much
i also want to say that i love wanda's story it was good to me her story was not bad to me at all i do disagree most say wanda story was bad but i respect everyone's difference opinions
This is quite a few times now that directors have said they haven't watched the movie or show before or consulted the source material. I no longer wonder why everything is starting to suck.
Couldn’t have said it better
They really f'd up Wanda and her intentions. Not only did Sam Raimi not watch all of "WandaVision" and get it but the screenwriter didn't as well (as he also stated publicly". Elizabeth Olsen is incredible as Wanda and not only deserves more, she deserves BETTER!!!!
The Mcu should have ended at Endgame.
It really should have
Yes
And then? You go to sleep?
Let people live their lives and make their money you're never forced to watch.
@@brianm3160 Nobody forced you to watch this video or reply here either. You simps are all such hypocrites. 😂😂😂😂
I don't think they knew what to do with her when Phase 3 concluded. Looking at all those shows, they are a directionless chaos. Also: I do not like when a character has vague powers. In Multiverse of Madness she is basically a god, capable of removing mouths, healing herself and turning men into spaghetti in a second. Why? Because the writers were too dumb to make use of the powers we all knew and understood from previous films.
As an published author, I'd say that a quick fix to the "vague powers" thing is to have vague/explicit limits to it.
For example, make Wanda take a deep breath and struggle a little to stay conscious after killing Reed, showing that doing that exhausted her to a degree; or her nose bleeding after killing Xavier, showing that a mental fight with the most powerful telepath ever damaged her physical health in a certain way.
Like this, it'd keep the vagueness of her powers, but know that she has some kind of limits here and there, which would enhance her stakes by "she's damaging her own body to do all this and isn't stopping at all 😳!!!"
And, yeah, I made this with a character of my book series: almost everything she can do is vague, but her physical reactions show that it has a few limits here and there 😁🤗.
@@RodrickMarsMoon That would require showing a female character with flaws and modern Hollywood (especially Disney) try to force the narrative that all females are perfect.
This shouldn’t be an excuse for you people in the comments to trash the CHARACTER. Trash the WRITER.
I agree.
Chill out, she’s not real bro
No, the writer did his job and Feige approved of it.
She keeps flipping back and forth between hero and villain its so jarring, that's not an anti-hero its just bad inconsistent writing. She started out a villain so its nothing subversive or groundbreaking to turn her into a big bad. Its like these writers want a Dark Phoenix moment without ever understanding why that story worked so well.
Such a waste of time introducing new characters on “Multiverse” and killing them off. Just lazy.
to be fair in this one instance I presume the multiverse itself allows them to bring those characters back whenever they want, so their introduction and subsequent deaths don’t mean we won’t see them again..
the issue however arrives that they’ll need to be shown to be a lot stronger, with a deeper delve into their characters, and not die the second time around, because otherwise they’ll feel very throw-away and that’s the biggest problem with multiverse storytelling, you have to make each and every incarnation of the same character important to the audience or you’ll soon deplete the interest in that character and by extension the novelty of the multiverse within the mcu will grow increasingly tiresome.
right now it’s a tool, one which they can use to fix many problems they have introduced into phase 4’s messy and at times outright poor storytelling, but they’ll need to use it wisely and not merely as a cameo tool or a quick refresh button on a character they don’t intend to use properly and without clear purpose
I feel like it would have made more sense if Chthon was slowly possessing her as she tried to learn about her powers, we still get villain Wanda while having possession an excuse to have her do all of that with her intention being to have more control of her powers to harken back to Wandavision and it takes a soul removal spell from strange to snap her out of it
When she attacks Xavier she literally looks exactly like Chthon-possesed Wanda.
The whole point of her journey is to defy Chthon, so showing her struggling against her nemesis as he uses the Darkhold against her is vital to her story.
I really liked this video and I think it explains Wanda to an excellent degree. I will have to push back on Wanda not knowing what she was doing in Westview. By episode four, we know she's in control and that she knows she's in control. I think it fits into her descent since they were going the villain ark. Marvel has always sucked at Villains, so idky I thought they'd do her justice.
Yeah she knows she's in control but not that she's causing pain. She thought she was giving the people nice thoughts and they were all following the sitcom routine and stuff. Mind you when she arrives in Westview for the first time she sees that the people are all unhappy. So after she accidentally creates the hex and sees them all happy and whimsical and fun she's obviously gonna love that. When Vision tells her that she's causing pain she's just in complete denial. She can't allow herself to believe that her perfect life is causing pain. Because that would obviously mean giving that up. But when Agatha SHOWS her that it's true what Vision said she completely breaks down and immediately tried to destroy the hex. If she knew what she was really doing then her reaction here doesn't really make sense to me.
she rly became my new fav female comic book character then they destroyed her
Imagine if there is a Plot Twist in Multiverse of Madness that Wanda was possessed by either Chnton or Mephisto all along which revealed all of the events in WandaVision were manipulated by the same being that led Wanda into a villain, it could have been a mind blown to everyone.
To think she went from being an Avenger to being a demon killing monster here.
I’m so glad to see a video about this.
I’ve been a Scarlet Witch fan for 11 years, long before she even showed up in the MCU. And unfortunately, this isn’t anything new. Wanda Maximoff as a character, has been through decades of needless, pointless character decimation, with two comics stories in particular turning her from a trusted Avenger and teammate into a dangerous, mentally unstable monster. One of those stories involves a grief stricken Scarlet Witch creating a reality where everyone else has their heart's desire, just so she can be with her children in peace. It led to the exceedingly famous panel where she utters three damning words that still follow her, even after 19 years.
“No more mutants.”
Only now, in the comics, are writers giving her any kind of storyline that isn’t “she’s a dangerous, unstable woman who could kill everyone with a sneeze.”
So when WandaVision was announced, I was hesitant, but excited. I was praying that the MCU would skate over these two horrendous stories that were as much about Wanda as Lord of the Rings is about the One Ring. Unfortunately, in seeing Wanda take a whole town of people hostage, torment them magically just for her own purposes, and be shown actively doing it, as opposed to being controlled by some malevolent outside entity, it was aggravating, to say the least. But it was fine, there was still hope, she ended the series truly sorry and willing to make amends and take accountability for her actions.
And then I heard about MoM. I’ve never been a fan of Stephen Strange, both because of his personality, and also because of his hand in Wanda's anguish in the comics. Every conversation about powerful magic users in Marvel usually starts with him, and totally disregards Wanda. But this isn’t really about him, this is about the writers absolutely decimating Wanda's character and choices, just because they couldn’t think of a better villain for the movie. Again.
It’s absurdly pathetic, that once again, no one at Marvel could think of anything better than “crazy lady with too much power and too many emotions, must be put down like a rabid animal.” Wanda is a hero who has been through unbelievable grief and trauma, adversities and hatred aimed her way, and continues to get back up, to do the right thing, and protect people with her powers and her magic.
The Spider-Man quote “With great power comes great responsibility,” rings as true for Wanda Maximoff as it does for Peter Parker. There’s something so stupid and undermining to the message Marvel likes to put forward about heroes emerging from great tragedy to protect others from the same fate, only to show Wanda hunting an orphan from another dimension, murdering people and being totally unrepentant in her actions. She knows better, we saw it over the course of three movies, we saw that growth from a scared and angry young woman into an Avenger, sacrificing the last person who loved her best in order to save the world. And then the execs and writers tossed that out the window because why challenge yourself to make a good villain when you could throw the Scarlet Witch under the bus? Again.
Wanda Maximoff deserves better writing. We as fans of hers deserve better writing. Wanda Maximoff should never have been shunted into a villainous role, she has mostly always been a hero. She's kind, strong and compassionate, even when she has every right to be a misanthropic hermit for the rest of her life.
Kindness is strength. Grief can be transmuted into compassion, and it’s something the Scarlet Witch has done time and time again. I’m hoping that the new Agatha show brings her back to be the fully realized hero she was always supposed to be. But until then, Wanda Maximoff defender for life. ❤
Imo they did Wanda so dirty in this film and ruined her character
Wanda Maximoff did nothing wrong.
THANK YOU! so glad someone is like finally standing up for Wanda and her character because she absolutely WAS NOT A VILLAIN throughout the movies and wandavision....and then all of a sudden caused the most brutal deaths in the MCU. I will never like Doctor Strange MoM because the Wanda in that movie is nothing like the Wanda in the rest of the MCU and it was really sad to see a sensitive, caring, and ultimately selfless character be turned into one of the scariest and most horrific villains in the series
I would argue the title should be "how not to turn a mass murderer into a hero and then turn her back into a villain and expect people to be surprised". Because I wasn't. The MCU never convinced me she changed from the start of Age of Ultron, so her allowing her grief to lead her back to murdering people again, after also being responsible of accidentally killing people even while good, didn't really surprise me. I never liked this version of Scarlet Witch. I've liked Wanda from various xmen cartoons, but never got attached to this one.
8:23 you absolutely can say her powers aren’t believable. She can basically now do anything and everything the plot needs, despite not even knowing his to do a hex before being told how by Agatha. MoM has no idea what it’s doing with her powers.
9:57 Wanda is only a victim of her spell for an episode or three. She willingly corrects everyone’s behavior when they break her fantasy and is aware when vision is trying to leave. She stops him with full knowledge of what she’s doing and EXTENDS her barrier to prevent vision from escaping. She even resets him and the townspeople when they break character. She knows she is controlling the town when she throws Monica out as well. They are begging her to die and to free them and their children and she doesn’t because she doesn’t want to sacrifice her own happiness. As if she is the only one who suffered during the events of thanos and the snap. Her assassination started in wandavision. And of course she softens the landing of the army Agatha attacks. Agatha had been trying to convince her that she was a monster and she wanted to prove her wrong. In an earlier scene she threatens said soldiers for trying to free the town telling them not to interfere and saying that she isn’t the one with a gun lmao implying they are the tRuE ThrEAt
You completely missed the point of wandavision
She was in denial that the people were being hurt. She did not believe Hayward when he said she took a town "hostage". A scene later she had a whole argument with vision where she clearly sincerely told him she does not know what's going on, only that she has a family again and there is some dome over the town. By episode 6 she realized she had some form of control over it and that caused her depression phase in episode 7. Throughout the show she did not even know what happened or how it started but she knew she did not want to leave. She only went to sword to tell them to leave her alone, they shot a missle at her. She saved those soldiers because that's who she is. Anyone would struggle to take down the hex. I know I would.
I definitely agree there should’ve been more in between multiverse of madness and wandavision. Imo the best way to go about it given her character is what you suggested with a second season of wandavision because the way the first season went fit so well with her character naturally, then multiverse was such whiplash given what we know. But if she was corrupted and we saw her slowly becoming evil against her will because of needing the only darkhold to solve a problem that would make ao much more sense. And then we see her true character peeking through at the end of the movie too when she remembers this is not who she is and stops her tirade to search for her kids at all costs. Her coming back to her senses at least a little despite all odds, that she really isn’t a monster at heart. And also it would be nice to see white vision and whatever the hell was going on with him after he just dipped after hex vision helped him remember who he is. Like did he go into the sun? Is he living his best life? Who the hell knows
Be happy you guys never read The Ultimates 3, where Wanda and Pietro are in an incestuous relationship, where Pietro is so clingy and possessive he threatens to kill anyone who even speaks to Wanda...where's that barf emoji...
I think she could've been a kinda not too heroic hero. I agree with wanda shouldn't be a full fledged avenger and join every mission. She could've been assigned to stand by until big events come up. She can still side with cap in civil war but make people think tony is right, she's dangerous. In infinity war, she should just protect vision by caging him with her power but vision somehow figured out a way to use that cage to destroy mind stone. That could be counted as her killing him, and after thanos interfere, it still make the double death. I agree with the endgame ending where she would be isolated or isolated herself from others and only talk to clint. I prefer wanda defeated in wandavision and ran away to the mountain place.
I always figured it was the darkhold that made her change so fast. I truly feel like they could have done her better. And I hope they can redeem her some how. I just don’t see how.
I think what really got in the way was the desire to keep Wanda as the villain a twist. Wandavision could have had pretty much the same story but if they highlighted darker tendencies and made her reluctantly give up her family rather than graciously, the transition to a villain would’ve been smoother but much more obvious. And they clearly couldn’t do that given how much they tried to keep her villain status a secret up until multiverses release
The way Wanda suddenly become so violent and murderous is such whiplash that it disturbs me to my core-by that I mean, I’m disturbed by the writers. “It was the Darkhold!” no that’s the excuse the writers used to take a woman who has undergone so much grief and so much pain and who faced that grief head-on in WV, who already had a rock-bottom of bringing immense pain to others while still not being a bloodthirsty, violent person. I would’ve much rather seen Wanda trying to atone for what she did in WV than to see everything she ever fought for be absolutely, wholly spat upon by her becoming a vicious murderer of good people for her own gain.
It’s not even a gradual, planned-out descent into villainy, it’s like the writers and director took a baseball bat to her knees and knocked her off a cliff.
People who internalised their feelings usually let loose own their own because they don't want to be seen an emotional unstable.
Dude I miss your Saul uploads! Last episode felt quite rushed I hope they don't turn that show to shit in the end.
There will be one out today! If you're referring to the mid-season finale, I thought it was done well. I just think the Lalo storyline has been sorta convoluted. I don't think it will eclipse Breaking Bad, that is for sure, but I suppose that was always gonna be a tough ask.
You know I mean wanda and Iron Man are the same cause Iron man did a mistake Once by inventing nuclear weapons that killed wanda's parents that's how wanda also did a mistake. Iron Man wanted to take revenge from Bucky who kill his parents and the same happens to wanda. Iron Man indirectly kills wanda's parents and wanda wanted to take revenge and Iron man only just save the world by giving his life but Wanda saved the whole multiverse by destroying her life and dark hold in every universe
In the movie, Wanda’s argument was actually reasonable. She was supposed to be a hero in Infinity War. She blew a hole in her husband’s head, sacrificing the love of her life to make sure Thanos couldn’t get all 6 stones, but Strange giving the time stone to Thanos undid all her actions, making her efforts meaningless. When Thanos brought Vision back and crushed Vision’s skull, Vision’s blood was actually on Strange’s hands. From Wanda’s point of view, if Strange could justify his action leading up to the deaths of Vision, Black Widow, and Iron man was for the greater good, why can’t she justify taking America’s power is also for the greater good? I mean, who is to say Strange didn’t have selfish motives? In another timeline, it was literally Strange who died after using the darkhold to defeat Thanos. Of course our Strange wouldn’t choose that fate for himself.
Our Strange had numerous factors pinning him to that one victory. 838 Strange had an entirely different roster of people to work with against Thanos, including Blackbolt. He was also constrained by the TVA, who only wants that one path in the timeline. Then there is how he might not be able to see an outcome in its entirety if he dies during it.
I wonder if the story would have been saved if the villain wasn’t our Scarlet Witch but an alternate universe version, similar to our Doctor Strange confronting his alternate version. Otherwise, alternate Doctor Strange could have been the main villain, trying to convince Wanda to join him and trying to corrupt her.
@Life Is A Story Well I don’t think the decision to read the darkhold wasn’t justified. Wanda didn’t show any signs of knowing its corruptive effects in both WandaVision and MoM, so we could still go by this point of view. After all, her original intentions with the Darkhold were to better understand her new powers so an accident like Westview wouldn’t happen again. It is only when we see WandaVision’s post-credit scene that we clearly hear the Darkhold’s influence on her by tempting her with the recover of her children. So what became a careful study for control turned into a bloodlusted crusade for family.
After all, many real life books on withcraft are named, Books of Shadows and doesn’t directly mean they’re used for evil. Her decision to read the book was totally justified to control her power and know more about herself than she knows including her fate.
This is the first I've actually heard about any of this, stopped watching after Loki...
It's just all too much, too rushed, and keeping up became a job.
The MCU ended with Endgame
Mcu: Hey, Lets turn Wanda aka the Scarlet witch into Carrie White from stephen king books.
Bro the darkhold... she turned to it in desperation(analogy for drugs/trauma) and it cemented the monster she became. It wasnt character assassination, it makes sense with how much she's lost, she wants to fill a void.
She has a major arc.
And it all happened off screen. So for all intents and purposes her character arc is evil book turns her bad. That's terrible and lazy, especially after they did so much work to develop the character in Wandavision.
@@joelhenry5489 We saw her with it at the end of WV and it gave us a glimpse of the agony/turmoil within her mind.
Before she comes into contact with the darkhold she's enslaved thousands of civilians(at the end knowingly and trying to keep the facade still)
On top of that we see her enslave the antagonist after she understands how painful it is. That's disturbing as hell and makes it very believable why she went... Dark.
@@joelhenry5489 lol you said it happens off screen too 🤣 lmfao 🤣
@@savageshot3723 it was her choice to get the dark hold nobody told her she decided to do it
@@buildawall5803 You right for sure, and knowing what it Is(as she obviously does), she was willing to be corrupted to an extent for her own personal gain.
Turning to the darkhold for personal gratification (which she does) is worse than the Stephen strange of the illuminati universe because he wanted to defeat thanos. You could argue that was selfless of him.
Her character gave us the first Decent Dark-Phoenix Saga 😅
I may have been okay with Wanda's portrayal in Multiverse of Madness, had it not have completely contrasted her portayal in WandaVision Episode 9. After rewatching WandaVision after Multiverse of Madness, I would have made Episode 9 a little darker in regards to Hayward and his men. Hayward already ordered a drone strike and dispatched white Vision to take her out. So it would have been believeable for him to order a weapons free RoE, and it strictly being a kill mission to end the Maximoff threat once and for all.
What I would have changed is, with Wanda's attention being on Agatha and her stress levels already being elavated during the confrontation, Haywards' convoy abumshes them from behind, immediately opening fire. Everything happens so fast, that Wanda's reaction un-alives the squad, and in a rage finishes off a critically wounded Hayward before Monica talks her down. Wanda's horrifed. While Agatha voices her approval, further gaslighting Wanda into seeing herself as dangerous, reminding her about Lagos and previous incidents, and why she's "undeserving" before their fight resumes.
At the end of Ep 9, during her parting words with Monica, the latter attempts to ease Wanda's conscious by saying that she acted in self-defense against Hayward who was trying to take her out multiple times, Wanda feels somewhat better, but on the other hand Wanda finds it easier to rationalize and justify the taking of life, by the time she reads the Darkhold. Reading the book amplifies this and manipulates her into believing the taking of life is justified if its in line with her best interests and her children. - Having a flashback scene like this in Multiverse/Madness would have made her mass-murderer nature make more sense. Though with too little time between WV and MM, the 180 would felt a bit abrupt.
I guess they could just do what they did with Loki, and bring a variant of her back, but that would ruin it even more for me tbh.
She held captive and tortured an entire town because her feeling were hurt...anybody?
he addresses that. Watch the video?
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@@stygiantwst no he didnt. Literally made excuses for her feelings being hurts. "Oh she didnt know"....well in a court of law, that's called involuntary man slaughter...so, keep justifying and crazy bitch who works off her emotions...like everyone at Disney
I wouldn’t call losing your parents, only sibling, home country, public image, and lover who you had to kill, just ‘your feelings were hurt’.
They straight up state that the mind control was torturous because she was unintentionally making them feel all of her grief.
But I guess if your analysis of Wanda is correct all she did to them was hurt their feelings. No problem then right?
@@freedompancakes301 when u have the power of an atom bomb at your finger tips, the same nuances dont apply to you. They MUST be held at a higher and more stringent standard.
Lazy Storytelling and Marvel? Get right outta town.
Yeah they’re so bad at storytelling and it’s not like they make billions of dollars off of anything they make because that would be dumb right?
@@joshuaa7223 just because something makes money that doesn't make it smart
@@joshuaa7223 Transformers and Fast & Furious make stupid money at the Box Office... Your argument is invalid. People go based on name recognition, not because of good writing. If they did all they great indie films would make hundreds of millions each year, but that's just not how it works.
@@chrisgreig98 Sure man whatever you say lol.
This is the hugest disappointment from such a potential that lay into complex bombshell of poor and lazy writing with no real effort of feeling the what should of been the most empowering and mind blowing movie ever imagined. it is waste having such a determine and lovely actress who does her deepest and hardest reflection on making such a character into something amazing. it is another reason why i never want lazy Disney to deal with such an amazing character being portrayed by a dedicated actress of all time. It is so obvious that this lazy writing gives them no excuse to complete something as lazy as this and it takes more than one lame season to show direction of why Wanda went down as a threat. It is in Disney to always hire a cheap writer instead of good one who can deliver the workload of expectation. in response of who to study before whiting Wanda, you can study a version of Wanda's younger sister Polaris from the Gifted, Raven from Dc' TeenTitans, and the Two versions of Jean Grey to give a decent level of writing. i don't care if you cant make it great but there a standard of writing you should at least give. i can taste bullshit writing from a mile away. I also learning visual effects and i am completely disgusted on the lazy representation of embodiment of the Wanda as Scarlett Witch. Scarlet Witch is an intense and emotional character that goes in deep and great mental breakdown. it has to fit the bill but nothing but slop. it is not that hard to do. i seen millions done it in cheaper ways but that was just trash. it another disgust on lazy attempt on customize design mixed with hair design. Moment she went into Disney control, her style went in route of lacking. I have no issue in poking comic book looks fun but the official look requires effort and time. it is where artist go deep in reflecting look on this actress that reflect the story she is being part of. it goes deeper in scenery and writing. it was failure and disgrace from what i knew to be something so much more. it has a deeper reflection in how people learn from Wanda in problems of her life. in a sense Wanda and Rogue has a history that is not about the world being black and white. Rogue lives with regret of steal the life and memories along with powers of another mutant who she fought against because she followed orders of her beloved Mother { Mystique}. it dark past to over come and it not easy road. it is not a story for lazy people who don't like to write stories like this. it harsh reality in how you learn to deal with life. Disney is trash. simple as that. it a company that will hire best actors for the worst script imaginable.
It seems that Kylo Ren's line "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. " inspired all the wrong people at Disney. Doctor Strange 2 was unbelievably horrible.
I dunno i think wanda is a cyclical arc kind of character but each time things get more harder to deal with
Interesting video.
Mother of the dragons = mother of chaos.
Don't really agree, Its not unplausible to a Hero turn to villain, after have lost so much, plus it is consistent with her character in the comics, who goes from hero to villain every now and then. I think where they failed, is that they could've made more clear that she was being corrupted by the darkhold, and making hzr actions more from the darkhold than her own. And that could lead to a sequence where they could introduce the demon C'thon(the one who's written the darkhold) in a future movie.
In wandavision Wanda deliberately keeps the town enslaved for a LONG time. She knows everything she's doing but she's just in denial. I don't think it's unreasonable to read some dark magic book. Though you made some good points and marvel did rush her development similar to how they did with Loki. Wanda skips characterization by reading a book and Loki skips charactization by watching a movie.
She didn't do it on purpose. Context matters. She didn't intend to hurt anyone.
@The Lewistown Trainspotter No she didn't do it on purpose but she knew what she was doing at a certain point and continued to keep them brainwashed
It sounds like they couldn't decide what type of character to make her, redeemable or irredeemable. And they tried to have their cake and eat it too, and ended up with 💩
I don’t believe Wanda unconsciously created the Hex in Wanda Vision. We see multiple instances where something or someone attempts to make Wanda face reality (not just the reality of her loss, but the reality of her horrific and selfish actions) and she becomes angry and avoidant.
- she makes Mr.Hart choke on his food when he was poking too much into things she didn’t want to think about/didn’t want Vision to think about
- she sees the Sword drone and expels it from the Hex
- she rewinds and resets the scene when she sees the Sword Agent emerge from the manhole
- she becomes angry when realizing that Rambeau isn’t one of her puppets and expels her from the Hex and lies to Vision about it and carries on with the “show”
- she continues to alter the world around her and “start over” in a new tv-show adjacent world every time something doesn’t go her way and she can’t face the truth that she knows but chooses to avoid and deny
- she gaslights Vision when he begins to question things
- she gets angry with Vision when he confronts her
- she brings more kids out into the neighborhood when Vision notes the lack of children
- she expands the borders of the Hex
- she consciously changes the furniture when things go wonky
- she confronts the Sword agents outside of the Hex and warns them not to interfere with her literal hostage situation
There are a lot of examples of how Wanda very intentionally did everything we see her do in the show. I don’t think there was ever a point where she didn’t know what was happening and just went along with it.
Even though it was confirmed that she did ?
Wow just watch this good video. I would say Wandas transformation was far worse than The one on Game of Thrones. Because I don't see how you can never bring that character back and I know fans will forgive anything because it's all fiction. Sadly sometimes people forgive anything in real life too. But she tortured to people in Westview even though she may not admit to but in Doctor Strange she just straight up murdered peopleyeah there's no coming back from that.
Can you do another one like this for Nick Fury?
I am actually thankful this movie did this bad arc and here’s why. It’s a reminder to avoid the “power mad woman” trope. It’s a trope as old and misogynistic as the “damsel in distress.” Hopefully more people see it for what it is and it progressively leaves our literature and film.
Marvel has done this trope more times (Jean twice, plus Wanda) than they have made female solo movies (and in one of those 2 movies the protagonist was already dead).
Yes let’s ruin a characters 8 years long awaited story finally and then destroy it in 40 minutes screen time in some else’s film whilst heavily destroying an actresses career at the same time without thought or plans ahead, they’ll definitely helped the “trope” moving forward.
You want the likes of Cp Marvel,Monica,Kamala,Shehulk,Echo ect as Marvels pinnacle female characters?
They literally had the least “Woke Mary Sue” character and then proceed to ruin the character entirely and now they’re the characters we are left with for the next few phases 🤦
I think the Multiverse saga is ruining a lot of really interesting superheroes like Wanda that were secondary protagonists in the Infinity Saga, because they have to share space with other IPs and their famous lines from other franchises
The multiverse is a mess, and it shouldn’t a core plot point for any “saga”. It’s too much of a mess, and prevents us from witnessing characters like Wanda and Dr Strange actually develop and become iconic
Because let’s be honest, Dr Strange kinda drew the short straw in this movie too. Even Benedict Cumberbatch in interviews didn’t seem to think Strange got any solid development
i think tying all her villainous acts to the darkhold and it’s influence is just very lazy and honestly insulting writing. this way when she comes back, she doesn’t really have to do much to redeem herself, she doesn’t even have to take responsibility for her actions because it was the darkhold controlling her and she did the right thing and destroyed it. now compare this to the comics where wanda practically *is* the darkhold and literally has Chthon possessed inside her body (under her control, never his). in the comics she’s reached a certain level of power that would make any fight with her just useless so they find other creative ways to make her useful or continue her story. i think that’s how it should be here. also, the demonstration of her powers in MoM was lazy asf
Compassionate person who enslaves an entire town and mentally tortures them. WILLINGLY!!!
She didn't do it on purpose. She also didn't know the people were in pain until near the end.
@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 she may not have done it consistently at first, but she was willing to take their freedom away to have her happiness.
@@misty3195 Anyone would struggle to remove the hex. It wasn't as easy as just doing it. She was suffering from psychosis, denial and complete suppression in this reality where she had a happy life. She didn't even fully understand or grasp what was happening and her subconscious didn't want to.
@The Multiverse Productions No, what happened was more on a maladaptive daydreaming level, not a true psychosis or even a dissociative episode. She had full control and showed this in every episode. She just didn't know how she did it. Someone who is maladaptive daydreaming will refuse to face reality, even to the point of hurting others. They find that their daydream and fantasy is better and safer. The fact that anytime anyone questioned her daydream, they got hurt shows this. In the first episode, the husband questioned her fantasy and backed her into a corner, and he started to chock on his food. The housewife also got cut when she confronted Wanda. Wanda herself rewinded time on purpose whenever Vision started to learn and question her fantasy. The biggest clue is that she could leave her fantasy at her own freewill and go back in. Someone who is having an episode of dissociative or psychosis has no control anymore and can't come in and out at their own leisure. Also, when she was confronted by the townspeople, she acted in defense to her fantasy and attacked them and tried to gaslight them inorder to continue to stay in her own happiness. Which is typical to maladaptive daydreamers. She told Vision herself that she was aware of the outside and real life when they were fighting and didn't want to face reality.
@@misty3195 I'd argue the entire Westview situation was a form dissociative episode. I really believe it could've happened to anyone.