Its so satanic and cannibalism's I couldn't watch it . Nothing to with Sabrina teen age. Its not meant for teenagers' Also others shows like lucifer Riverdale and are not for teenagers .
This probably isn't a big deal for a lot of people, but it reeeeally bothers me how this show uses Lilith. In the original mythology, Lilith is the woman who refused to be subservient to anyone, even God, so it's kind of insulting to portray her as so desperate for Lucifer's approval while also parroting that fake feminist nonsense. Like, she's the original femme fatale, why not use that angle?I guess maybe it's a side effect of how they chose to portray Lucifer, but I think it'd be more interesting to have Lilith and Lucifer as a messy power couple and do something with that dynamic.
I feel like whenever a show has some biblical themes there has to be a Lilith and most of the times shes just evil and nothing more. Especially in this show she could’ve been so much more. Especially since her biblical counterpart and Sabrina share some important traits
What pissed me off the most about the use of Lilith was how she’s not even in the Bible. She’s only seen in the Old Testament, which has a very different and somewhat opposite definition and view of events in its scripture. Lilith is 100% a thing that belongs to Jewish culture and religion, and culturally appropriating her to fit a stupid Christian narrative is infuriating
@@elisabethschmerzler963 If Lilith is part of the Old Testament, then yeah, she's in the Bible. You can't say she's not in the Bible she's only in the OT?
@@randomwerewolf1099 She’s mentioned solely in the Talmud. Some people don’t know what that is so I just used Old Testament as an inference for Jewish scripture
could not agree more about Sabrina's flaws! She's a 16-year-old girl with way more power than any 16-year-old should ever have. Her selfishness and terrible decisions makes sense for a teenager.... But the show/writing doesn't acknowledge that they're flaws, and that's why it doesn't work.
@haleylquinton It's both her power and her ultimate downfall. perfectionist idealism that doesn't want to yield to anything or anyone eventually lead to her demise as she finally met something that's beyond her. I see it as one of the better parts of her plot and as something essential to her character
So true! The terrible consequences of her using magic to help someone but ended up a mistake should've had a latter. That would've raise the stakes in the series and would've been fun to watchm
Oh yeah I forgot that was a thing. I was really convinced back then that he would discover some dark family secret that had something to do with the spellmens (Like they killed a relative or his mum) so he would try to kill them all including Sabrina. I really thought he would embrace his dark witch hunter side or at least do something with that info.
Yeah that would've been so cool. :( I would've loved to see more conflict with the humans and the witches. I thought, especially because of what Sabrina did to Tommy, that we'd get a plot around that. It's mind boggling. I would've loved something like that, it would be legitimately awesome.
I was shocked that Nick killing himself to be with Sabrina in the afterlife was overly romanticised. It was an awful way to end the series, and Kiernan had to try to justify the decision in an interview.
Season 1 Lucifer was such a scary threat, literally the devil, the one that has all the power and only shares it with the witches. Season 4 he's a background character making funny jokes, and the witches found like 3 different magic sources in the meantime.
I love this show but yeah I agree, season 1 is creepy and disturbing and then by the end of season 4 the writers focused too much on Sabrina’s and Nick relationships instead of the threats 🤦🏻♀️
There is a certain problem with shows like this. They always feel they need to incorporate as much of references, gods or monsters into the show, not because it adds to the story, but for the sake of a cheap thrill of the audience saying "I know this one" They never answer how the goddess Hecate, the pagans and eldritch horrors fit into the mythology of the show. They merely add it, without giving an explanation on how it functions. Saying that "This is just magic" or "This is just how it is" does not work when the mythology feels unrealistic and contradictory, because of it.
@@Greendalewitch Ikr. How the Old Ones (Lovecraftian copies) fit into the Christian setup of the series? But heck, even the "witches are devil worshippers" concept is dumb anyway because witches originally were pagans in real life...
He goes a little too hard on that idea on occasion. Like when he mentioned that "bad line delivery" is due to the bad script, not due to the actor delivering the line...badly. Uh. No. If the line is delivered horribly, that's on the actor. The sentence itself may be stupid or cliche or nonsense, but it's still the actor saying it. There's no point in defending that. I've only watched 2 of his reviews and already it feels like "writing bad" is one of his go-to points whenver ANY type of critique comes up. And while writing is incredibly important, actors can be at fault, too.
Absolutely, I was so pleased to see Chance Perdomo getting more roles after Chilling Adventures with Gen V. He was an impressive actor who should've gone far, and it's a tragic loss.
If it weren't for Ambrose I would have stopped watching this show a long time ago, honestly wish he had his own spin-off centering around solving magical problems using his immense knowledge and research skills. Other spin-offs Id watch would be a Zelda/Hilda one, a Blackwood one with the Weird Sisters, or a Lilith/Lucifer one. Hell, I'd take a Hilda one with Dr.Cee and their adventures as a couple dealing with magical problems too, even. And that's not to say that I hate Keirnan's acting, I honestly believe she's a super talented actress with a great future, but the Sabrina character is too insufferable for me.
Nick "romantically" killing himself to be with Sabrina seemed kinda off. Especially when the same streaming service gave us a whole series about teenager suicide awareness.
13 reasons why completely botched its message to the point where it was actually about romanticizing suicide as revenge, school shootings, rape, etc. instead.
That show you reference is actually hugely problematic in it's depiction of suicide (they actively went against general guidelines to depict the correct way of severing arteries that can kill you in seconds - hugely awful decision that makes me furious) so it's not surprising they allow shows to be irresponsible like this lol
Well, Netflix has both 13 reasons why and Bojack horseman, so that tells you something about how different messages and quality you can find on this platform when it comes to serious issue.
@@nanalove3819 Yeah, can't tell if Netflix is committed to pluralism and the diversity of perspectives or if they're committed to controversy and what might sell. Whichever the case, people are tuning in, risking occasional inconsistencies in quality and messaging to stumble across completely satisfying and delightful gems like Bojack. Can't think of a better world than hit or miss, actually, one that avoids the boredom and stagnation (let alone the dangers) of culture's natural tendency to gravitate toward the monolithic.
One of the most disturbing things that I don't really see people talk about is Nick's PTSD from trapping the devil in his body and how it can be an allegory for male sexual abuse when he cries and says things like "I can still feel him inside me". But, no one takes him seriously and the writer turns him into the bad guy who cannot be loyal to Sabrina when he uses sex to deal with his trauma.
@@the-postal-dude I feel happy to see someone say they became hypersexual after SA. I have this same reaction, but I have no clue why and I always gett judged for it.
@@RaroHi i honestly wish it wasn't as stigmatized and had more representation that y'know. wasn't extremely antagonizing (i get it, hypersexuality is an issue and can cause bad things but most hypersexual people i met know how to control it) i was going to just say i'm glad you feel a bit better, but it turned into another rant lol
Sabrina is the kind of show were everybody understands their assignment except the writers. Casting, acting, filming, set and clothes are amazing. What a let down. Some of these lines Istg, not worse than Riverdale but close.
Yes! This is an excellent summation of what was wrong with the show. Casting? Excellent. Set design? Excellent. Wardrobe? Excellent. Make up/special effects? Excellent. Writing? *sad trombone*
Amen to that. That being said, there is nobody in Hollywood these days able to write a story. I'm not even interested in anything coming out for the last few years.
I honestly think that this is the reason CAOS doesn’t get as much hate as some other shows with similar writing as the rest of the production works well
I was gonna say that the tone was all over the place. There’s the body horror and the little kid being kidnapped by the ice cream man and then cheerleaders are singing and you’re like…?
First two seasons are fine. And incredibly witchy as planned. Then the third and fourth one. It smells a lot like Riverdale. The random song number. They should have stopped at the second one. I was secretly hoping at the third one that they'll recover. But maybe they did. A bitm
@@taystanloona6002 sometimes it got so dark it looked like it got scared by itself and had to lighten the mood with a musical number. Ice cream pedo kidnapping and killing children ? We don’t mean it really - here’s some cheerleaders dancing around. Lilith killing her own child so Lucifer can’t use it against her? We don’t mean it - look here’s Satan’s singing contest.
In the first season I interpreted sabrinas ability to break every rule as a hidden plot of satan. In aunt selda you see the powerdriven side of the spellmans and sabrina has that too. She needs to help everyone not because she s so empathetic but because she wants to control what happens. So I expected lucifer to manuver her after the powertrip in a position of absolute helplesness until she succumbs to him but no she has to triumph.
that would of been such an awesome concept and could of had some great moments for sabrina as a character. believing she had this control when really the cards were always forced in her favour and she won’t ever have true consequences. could of been amazing but nope!
@@ohword9541 I mean to be fair dont quote me but I think there are only like 3 or 4 issues of the chilling adventures of sabrina I read it online when it first came out and waited forever for the 5the issue I think to come out. Idk if the comics picked back up.
That was sort of the point, wasn't it? She fed Sabrina bullshit she knew Sabrina would react well to, while actually being completely loyal to the devil.
Regarding Ambrose & his immaturity despite his age. In the very last season, Aunt Zelda finally points this out and says "Really?? A 16 yr old girl forced an 134 yr old man to lie. Is that what happened Ambrose? Did Sabrina bully you?" It was so satisfying 😭😂
that "acient being that looks like a teenager" is a trope i hate for that reason. Like half the time its just creepy because they'll often end up dating someone old enough to be their great-great-grandchild and the rest of the time they're totally bitches that hasnt matured in centuries. Even if you look 14 that doesnt mean you cant mature past 14.
What i hate most about Chilling Sabrina, is that whenever Sabrina does something wrong, people just go like, “its forgotten.” Like, she doesn't take responsibility and people just magically forget about the entire thing. Are you kidding me?
This was the primary thing that made me quit the show after season 2, that and Lilith, Michelle Gomez’s character leaving. Sabrina never really deals with any consequences for her stupid actions and I really hate that. Also she never seemed to learn the word “no” Eg. Harvey asks her not to use magic to help him solve his problems she doesn’t listen and the narrative treats him as unreasonable for being upset by that. She’s quite frankly one of the worst I’m always right characters that I’ve ever seen. The only thing that kept me watching was Harvey, the Aunts and Lilith - Ambrose to a certain extent as well.
The terrible consequences of her using magic to save someone would've made this series so interesting to watch. For example, the consequence of bringing Harvey's brother would make her a target by other witch hunters or some powerful demon would be intrigued by her ways and use her as a pawn. Either way could go. Everyone was eyeing on her after all. I mean, the lore itself was already badass, creepy and dauntingly scary, keep the romance drama, but the writers decided to screw it up BIG TIME.
Except Crazy Ex-girlfriend. Although I only watched up to season 3. And Jane the Virgin. Cliche sometimes, yes. But because it's whole gimmick is following telenovela tropes.
@@NVMil agreed with Jane the Virgin (haven't seen Crazy Ex-girlfriend so can't comment), it had it's cheesy/campy moments but overall it was hilarious and is a great parody of Spanish telenovelas
WAIT but concept that Sabrina was the Devil's sword could have been AMAZING. She would technically be a holy weapon then- but 'corrupted' with Lucifer's fall so it would make sense why she's stuck in-between worlds and why a lot of the rules don't apply to her. The relationship between her and Lucifer could have been so intriguing, she is a source of his power, kinda like a familiar herself but also having her own identity crisis?? That could have been great. And if they wanted to go the 'feminism' (more accurately be woman in positions of power) route, why not have Lucifer need to prove to her that he is still worthy of an angelic weapon despite being fallen? It would force him to define his motivations, strengths, why he hates humanity and why he needs to convince Sabrina to join him. I'm kinda extra angry now :( I stopped watched watching after the first season, now I'm extra mad they wasted all of these great concepts...
It's not the same but if you want a living sword storyline, the male love interest in the YA fantasy trilogy The Name of The Blade by Zoe Marriott is a living sword/linked to a magic sword. He slept in the sword for thousands of years and then for a couple years before the story starts, he had flashes and dreams of our world so he's kind of familiar with stuff but still a fish out of water. The female main character is the one wielding the sword and they have this mystical connection but also a strong partnership as warriors, it's pretty interesting!
totally agree! The Devil's Sword idea is dope as hell. They could have done so much with it! And since she's a powerful weapon, maybe it could be that she's the only thing capable of taking down the Devil (the Maker destroyed by his own Hand trope). Ugh, I'm also so upset at the wasted potential of this show
They also did the same thing in Supernatural back in the year of our lord 2010 lol. Don't watch the show, it's truly traumatic, but that was a huge part of one of the main characters, although alternatively it was the Sword of Michael, and they're interpreted as being vessels. Honestly, that was so cool but Supernatural was plagued by production issues. I do think Sabrina and Supernatural have a lot in common up to their really bad endings and they abandon the Sword of Michael concept after season 5 and then get it back in 14 and then abandon it again lol.
I love this idea of Sabrina being a holy weapon. Like you said, it deepens her conflicting natures of good and evil. This show wasted so much potential.
Hi, just wanted to add to this, but a way they could have mixed in/justified the “Lucifer’s daughter” plot line would be if, due to his corruption, Lucifer couldn’t wield the sword himself, so he tried to make a champion. Place the sword with the soul, sword is stronger, witch’s soul should get cancelled out, sturdy body of a witch, loyal mind of a holy weapon. Whoops, surprise baptism, free will has entered the chat, got blended into a Holy Witch Smoothie™️ with extra feminism, and now Sabrina can perform exorcisms I hope that makes sense?👉🏽👈🏽
The thing with Salem is that the role was just given to Ambrose. Hear me out. Ambrose is a character who's a old and knowledgeable sorcerer, who got cursed for a terrorist crime and is now stuck, that's basically the backstory from the old series. He's cynical, (mostly) chill, charismatic, and a lot of info we get on the world comes from him. If you replace Ambrose with a talking cat in ANY SCENE except the sex ones (basically curse Ambrose into a cat instead of being stuck in the house), it just works, it fills all the holes that Salem should have filled. The writers just split Salem into two characters, Ambrose, the cynical old sorcerer, and Salem, the cat that does nothing because every writing choice was taken from him by Ambrose Now, why does Ambrose exist at all you ask ? Because Salem is too important for Roberto to not sexualize him. Roberto needed him to be a sexy human to put in steamy sex scenes, so he created Ambrose. And since he couldn't just remove Salem because the fans would be pissed, he added a random cat anyway. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
@@Miyanoai14 There are hypoallergenic cat breeds out there (the allergies come from a protein in the cats saliva when they lick themselves, not the hairs themselves), so i guess finding one for the filming wouldn't be too hard. Or they could have used a CGI cat, or a puppet cat, since it would have to make it talk anyway. In any case if they really wanted to, there were tons of ways they could have avoided the allergy issue and made the cat an important role, they just weren't interested in that
Honestly, the actors carry the show entirely. Watching the latest Fassbender Movie made me realize that good acting can catfish you into watching something with a terrible plot. I feel like I watch The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina for way longer than I should have.
I would've greatly enjoyed if they'd had Sabrina become a legit villain protagonist for a while, and then have something happen that forces her to see how far down the dark path she's gone, and have her confront her own selfishness and grow from it. But that's too complex for these writers.
I was actually hoping that would happen, since they went far already with the whole path of darkness thing I wanted to see Sabrina act on that dark part of herself that scared her
I don't know how old you are but if you like characters going down a dark villainous path and like to read then I'd give the Young Elites Trilogy a try. It's for YA but I think it's good.
I hated that she was so against Lucifer being her father but totally forgot that in the next season and happily became queen of hell. Honestly if they just kept her as the sword of hell it would have so much more interesting
@@tunafish5462 technecly that was Sabrina Morningstar, a clone of Sabrina who spend way more time with him that Sabrina Spelman. Mayby he was a new man with her but his normal self with others
I hate that idea that a strong, smart female character has to be perfect to be empowering to women or a feminist icon. Dude, everyone has flaws but better than have and acknowledge flaws is character growth. That's why book Hermione is better than movie Hermione.
I agree with you but as he points out in his video, the other problem is...the characters never really grew out of their flaws. The mistakes they make in S1 are still mistakes they make in S4.
@@chadestioco I definitely agree with you there 😕 there needs to be a balance. Don’t make them a Mary Sue but if they have flaws they need character development also
I believe the best female character on TV was Susan Ivanova from Babylon 5. The character knew her primary job, but could be over worked and clunky when she had to do side projects she wasn't familiar with. Her character growth was she became less clunky the more she did the new tasks. For instance she went from diplomacy with a race that was into S&M to convincing an elder race to join the alliance when nobody else was able to talk to them. The second best character is Margo Hansen on the Magicians. She went from being the side chick to high king of Fillory and Fillory II.
I Have a theory that was because they were going to go down the calbrina ruling in hell route, but the writers saw the fandom liked Nick more than Callaban so they scraped it. It would explain why season 4 was so weird with the two sabrina things. They wanted to do what they wanted (calbrina in hell) but also wanted to please the fans (nick and the spellmans) like a "got their cake and eat it too" type of thing, but in the end it created this giant mess that no one liked, lol.
I think that the candle just didn't work because she wrote two names on it and her feelings for nick stayed and she just didn't have feelings for Harvey anymore
I thought of that the whole time but I think her love was just to strong for nick but also we’re just ignoring the fact that Harvey still loves Sabrina and they never even acted on it
I was absolutely HORRIFIED about Nick's ending. It was the dumbest way to end a character's story and it romanticized dying on purpose because you can't live without your SO. Like, shit, I liked Nick throughout the first seasons but then he became totally bland and his only purpose was being in love with Sabrina. He couldn't have an actual goal except showing than he was nothing on his own. Such a great example for young people watching the show. This really threw me off. I can excuse bad writing but I can't excuse showing these kind of toxic behaviors as if it was nothing.
@@AlexaOrchid well yes, but Romeo and Juliette was obviously not meant to be a romantic take on being unable to live without your significant other. It was written in a time where every excessive emotion was a huge no go and I would dare to say that ending your life because your loveinterest (supposedly) died is one of the most excessive emotions out there
Also, the musicals literally were so cringe and disgusting, I had to rage quit a number of times. The "concert" at the gates of hell. I gave up on watching the rest for a long time.
I love how half of the commentary on the character is “the actor is AMAZING and PERFECT for the role and they do an INCREDIBLE job but THE FUCKING WRITING”
Biggest problem occurs when Actors don't relate with their Characters. Because they simply don't understand and don't care how that character appears to the audience. And it is writer and directors job to help them understand the character
Why call how Zelda treats Hilda "bullying"? It's straight up abuse. I watched the first few episodes of Season 1, and the main reason I stopped was I THOUGHT "Wow, Zelda is a psychopath, so she must be a bad guy", but then the show wasn't following up on that and acted like what she was doing was...excusable? Yeah. I noped out super fast.
The problem with Roberto Aguirre Sacasa is that he's very one-note. He can make a decently good first season - maybe a second if you squint real hard but ultimately, he has an undying ability to destroy the shows that he creates. What people gotta realize is you take the man - let him write out his first season, or plot what direction he wants to head into, then violently rip all of that out of his hands and get some proper writers to tidy it. You consult if you must thereafter, but he ain't gonna be able to develop it much further. Or if he must continue to be a showrunner, let him have one season only. It'll likely make a good standalone piece.
This is so spot on. I'm sure he's not the only writer out there like this, but he is one of the first I've seen where it's so glaringly obvious that he is not at all as good as he's made to seem. He gets a talented cast, a decent budget and a talented crew, lets them enjoy the excitement of everyone talking about their show for a year, and then they all just get stuck in a world of his bad decisions and everyone joking about how much their show sucks.
Reminds me of how JJ Abrams can come up with really good concepts, but has no idea how to write a middle or end Hell the fact that I can think of so many directors and show runners similar to Roberto shows there is definitely a problem with entertainment today
Early Sabrina had some Addams family quality to it. Mixing good and evil, blurring the lines. Later it felt more like Mary Sue and the good kids in satanic Hogwarts, fighting against the evil.
when I found out she wanted to marry calbain in season 4 I literally just closed Netflix and stopped watching for like a week. Lady? Ma'am? Do you not learn? Like ever? I know she is supposed to be young and all but I have seen 12 year olds who are more mature than this dumbass.
Honestly, it went from "oh, I am really hopeful she has a satisfying redemption later on", to "she's a lost cause, might as well make her the villain at that point"
I mean honestly I’m not mad towards that idea that well, she is Lucifer’s daughter, she believes she can do anything and get away with it , she is arrogant and she is selfish and a narcissist , that’s the whole Lucifer side of her I think it could have been so cool to actually battle with those two ideas, didn’t she supposedly killed her “evil “ self? That was when I was like “ oh .uhm, that’s stupid” they could have done so much more They could have started seeing things way more on a gray area , THE WHOLE SERIES WAS BLACK OR WHITE
Just the line "I will fix this.. like I always do" BISH YOU'RE THE REASON THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE DONT TELL ME YOURE SO GREAT AT FIXING STUFF
what really wasted what was left of the show for me, especially on the "feminist" part, was seeing Sabrina accept that she lost both her boyfriends by burning the candle with their names on it, and that she could never get any of them because of that, leading to a "I don't need no man" character development. Which was kinda cool, because I feel that you don't see often shows that end without the main character being in a happy relationship. I thought "good, she will learn to live single, and eventually find someone else because that is life". Only for her to end with Nick because "hey, let's give her her happy ending anyway". Either that, or that was Nick who needed her desperatly. But again, he was supposed to have lost all feelings for her after she burnt the candle. So this conclusion makes no sense to me, and just appears as a "the hero ended up with her boyfriend eventually".
The fact that they took such a feminist and badass woman and gave her the name "Madam Satan" because she is just that devoted to the devil is an insult to Lilith
yesssss i was just about to write this but came to check if anyone had already said it! Lilith s so amazing and as a witcho who actually works with lucifer and has casual contact and devotion so lilith, the lore they put behind her is insulting. Lucifer respects lilith SO much. Naming her madam satan is just cringy
@@ericanair9144 That's because combining Sabrina and musicals is like combining ice cream and cheese. Both are great foods, but they don't go together at all.
@@ericanair9144 Well, and musicals are meant to express emotion. The one good use of a "musical" scene in Sabrina is Masquerade, because it really worked with the tension (emotion) and actually made sense within the story- also it's a one-time thing, it's not like they were singing the whole episode. It's not perfect but that scene was really cool. The lyrics fit well and their voices are rather beautiful. It doesn't work otherwise because there's not a reason for them to sing and it's just weird. There's not so much emotion behind it. Riverdale really misuses music because of this- you sing when speaking no longer expresses how you feel. The plot doesn't fit the music in Riverdale or it has to go entirely out of it's own way to make the songs make sense, and nobody sings because they're so filled with emotion that they have to, it's just because... it's a musical, so why not?
I think my ideal Dark Sabrina show is a pure horror show with a talking snarky Salem that brings moments of levity and dry comedy in short moments. Also I think Sabrina being in college would be more interesting than the high school teen drama. Sabrina being a young adult would allow for more freedom for the writers to dip in both ridiculousness and grounded drama.
I just finished reading the How To Survive Camping series on Reddit and it has me thinking what would've happened if, in a "dark" retelling of Sabrina, Salem played a similar role to a character from that series, The Man With A Skull Cup. A somewhat snarky companion/observer that provides occasional commentary and advice but is clearly Not there purely to help Sabrina and isn't above letting her or others get hurt, or hurting her himself, if it furthers his plans. A being that's clearly more than he appears to be, and isn't afraid to remind her that he isn't her friend, she can die at any time and it won't affect him, he's just along for the ride, a higher being observing like a person watching fish in a tank, or a kid watching ants on a sidewalk before he crushes them under his heel. A human could never hope to comprehend his real motives or true nature, and Sabrina better get used to it, because as much as he doesn't need her, she needs him.
what annoys me terribly is that they worshipped the devil, but as soon as Nick is imprisoned by the devil he hates it?????????? WHY DID YOU WORSHIP HIM THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT???????? Why are you not in complete awe at being his prisoner? Witches would yearly sacrifice themselves to the devil, and you can't take being in hell?????
@@seleneaurea3222 I would believe that if there was any learning from it, but the characters never reflect on anything, never learn, it's all dismissed
So, as much as I dislike the show, this makes sense. Those that serve the devil gain a place in hell. Nick however, ended up in the position he was in for directly defying the Devil. At this point, he was no longer a worshipper, but a traitor.
i love the way you clarify that it’s the characters you dislike, and not the actors. i feel like sometimes people who do reviews fail to give the actors credit for doing their best, so that was really refreshing
The way Sabrina, in particular, was written, was insufferable. But Kiernan, I feel, also didn’t have the chops to infuse the character with some much-needed charm
People are bad and good. Woman and men. But the media, politics and entertainment keeps only calling out toxic men but even good men get dragged down as well. Putting us all into one group. Masculinity is never shown in a good light. Toxic females tend to get away with alot in this regard. Masculinity and femininity both need to be praised equally and not at the expense of the other.
best nick scene by far is after they rescue him from hell and everyone is pressuring him to be happy but he’s traumatized so he just yells everything bad about sabrina to her face…….. but then they make him apologize and basically go back to normal leaving sabrina with no character growth again
Yep! Nick's s3 (and moreso, s4) storyline was so tastelessly done. He comes back from Hell after being, at the very least, mentally and physically assaulted by Sabrina's father, of course he's not going to be able to just go back to being in a relationship with Sabrina like nothing happened. I thought the writers had a grip on this in s3 when they gave him that big breakup monologue but then he spends s4 pining after Sabrina and apologizing. In s3 there were a LOT of parallels drawn between Nick's possession by Lucifer and sexual assault (complete with hypersexualization as a coping mechanism to feel in control of his body, implying that he liked the devil being inside of him, getting rid of the "essence," the wrestling scenes, etc), and then to extend that metaphor, s4 felt like him apologizing for his bad behavior when being an SA victim...like it's not Sabrina's fault any of it happened to him but to introduce a serious topic like that and then go in that direction with it was so off-putting.
sabrina never made a good decisive decision and any decisions she made that were her own idea ended in disaster yet she still felt entitled to make decisions without consulting others😭
Ikr 😭 I don't dislike charecters that are like that, but the fact that she never actually learned her lesson even when people were seriously risking their life is just painful.
Yeah, exactly. I really like Sabrina, but it made sense for her to die at the end, she went through life thinking there shouldn't be consequences for her and messing with high powers as she pleased, sad, but it was a fitting end.
@@danielmanzano3287 it honestly was, the only thing i didnt like about the ending was the lack of clarity on the other sabrina and the lives of the other characters without her in it (like caliban and lucifer vs lilith, baby adam, judith and judas), and nick scratch…i cannot stand nick😂
"MY NAME IS SABRINA SPELLMAN, AND I WILL NOT SIGN IT AWAY!" "*then proceeds to sign her name, and soul, away in the season 1 finale because it's the easy solution*" Me: *bangs head against wall*
I think that's why I couldn't go on with season 2. She was adamant about not signing the damn book and by the end she does it anyway, I guess just because? So for me that is when it became stupid.
@@jackiearnolds I think that was one of the things that started to take me out of the show too. She was constantly doing it to where if she said she wasn't going to do something in the beginning of the episode, she was going to do it by the end and it was very predictable. I do get that she might have still needed to sign for her powers or something, but they could have made her struggle a little bit more when she realized that is what she had to do, like give a reason why she doesn't want to do it but a reason for her to do it too.
What's even worse, is it doesn't even make since in universe. She signed the book because she would receive powers from satan but its later revealed that shes half angelic (from satan) so she was already born with those powers, where all the other witches have to follow satan to be gifted them (as we see in season 3 when he takes them away)...so why did she need to sign the book to unlock those powers if she was already born with them? It makes no since. It's a huge plot hole. No way they had this planned from the start. Edit: it seems people are a bit confused by my comment, so to clarify- My point isn't that sabrina didnt know, it's that the writters clearly didnt have this planned out or think it through. Sabrina gains powers from signing her name, but later on its revealed shes half angelic and was already born with powers (compared to the witches who have to be gifted them) and yet (again) sabrina gets new powers from signing her name. If she already had anglic powers she wouldn't have needed to sign the book because they would have awakened eventually. She cant already be born with them and also gain them. It doesn't work that way in universe. Yet the show tries to be both and breaks it's own lore
@@starfish4852 She didn't know that at the time. If they had done more with it and made it an agonizing choice to sign away and took us through her process of changing her mind only to find out later that it was unnecessary...that would have been good.
Then the shows completely removes the weight of signing the book because sabrina is literally the daughter of satan, the anti-jesus, and then she just seals lucifer inside of nick or something
Sabrina's collapse in quality was such a bummer. They had everything they needed: strong concept, decent cast, a SFX crew on FIRE and Netflix was willing to let them do what they wanted. All that potential and it's a mess. And we all know the writing staff will probably fail upwards onto other shows and continue the cycle.
The thing that bugged me about Ros was that her Christianity could have led to some really interesting characterization with her learning to balance that with her best friend being a witch but it just didn’t come up at all
We have the same default profile pic. Meet me in time square at midnight New Years eve to battle it out. But here’s the catch; it’s in 2012. Figure it out. Be there
Sabrina refuses to become a witch and use the powers of the devil. Also Sabrina uses the powers of the devil to defeat the devil? Idk I quit after the imho lousy season 1 finale
Thank you for the part you did on the portrayal of feminism in this show. I really hate it when shows/movies support the narrative that women being able to abuse their power (and doing so) is feminism. To me, feminism is all about ending abusive structures. So yeah, the whole "girl power" idea was kind of ruined by this glorification of abusive women.
The performative activism and wokeness of CAOS and Riverdale are sooo frustrating... As a feminist, I'm thrilled that the movement has become more mainstream and is reflected on in the media. But if you want to make feminism a part of the deal, you need to do the work too! You can't just throw in some "cool" lines and mottos and then go on to misrepresent the whole concept. Two things I truly despise are the men-hating and the representation of sexuality. Feminism has obviously nothing to do with hating men, it's actually designed to also break stereotypes and misconceptions of manhood. I'm kind of surprised the video didn't also mention the sexualization that goes on. Because there is a thin line between body positivity and sexualizing characters. This happens so much in this show and Riverdale as well. It's mostly camera angels and contexts that don't sit right. Why do the heroines have to perform a spell in their underwear? Why is the camera "checking" out Cheryls whole body when it has nothing to do with the scene? Sorry for the rant, I just get frustrated. Loved the review though! Can't wait for your take on Riverdale :)
I was worry about being name called, so i never said anything about it,, but I also disliked the sexualization. And I wish it was delt with better; same with feminism in the show.
i agree with what yall said and also considering the de facto audience of riverdale seems to be ppl in their early teens I think the sexualization is specially jarring
The dissonance of framing! Claiming to be feminist but lingering inappropriately over bodies because the male gaze and sexualization of young girls is actually what's going on and the feminism is a smoke screen.
the first time we actually hear lucifer speak he speaks to dorian grey. the oscar wilde character dorian grey. and they dont do something with it. its dorian grey. he made a literal deal with the devil. like if your gonna make a character be dorian grey and then not do anything with that why is he dorian grey. the only time that they referenced that it was dorian grey was like 2 seconds after he dies
Waitwhat The amount of pain it causes me to hear that this show made fucking DORIAN GREY a boring one-off when he could beat everyone here character wise in two seconds is simply unspeakable. HOW DO YOU JUST NOT DO ANYTHING WITH DORIAN FUCKING GREY? Someone please blow this planet up.
I feel like a lot of the rules Selina is "breaking and doing anyways" are the writers trying to show two points. 1: the rule isn't real and was said to keep the witches in check by Father Blackwood. 2: To show how much stronger she is because she's next in line for the throne of Hell. I feel like her destiny being the queen of hell is why she has a sort of god complex from the beginning.
Like... the actors are adults, why can't it be college? Why did they have to pick a high school, or couldn't have Sabrina be turning 18 and the rest of the show be as adults? Oh, because some adult men are creepy as hell? Okay.
Hollywood has always done this in their movies and shows, like One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, Beverly Hills 90210. That's why they always cast actors in their 20s to play teenagers, partly because of all the sexual things they'd be playing. And I've always found it to be creepy.
This show embodies the saying "don't hate the player, hate the game". They have a good cast that does a great job with what they're given, but they can only do so much to save it
Also, Sabrina and Harvey are important to keep together, because it represents Sabrina's love for humanity despite being a witch. Being with a warlock negates what she represents and makes me realize that nothing in the show is written to mean anything. It's heavy handed with the aesthetic and makes being a witch a mere lifestyle choice, fashion, or sense of style than something it was presented as within the comics.
In the original Sabrina comics, the back and forth of her dating both Harvey and the warlock guy (can’t remember his name) reflected her being part of both the supernatural and mortal world. There was also another mortal guy and a warlock guy that both wanted to be with her and kept messing with Harvey and the warlock she was dating, and she’d have to solve the mess.
they were supposed to end up together at first but the actors of henry and rosealind started dating and coincidentally the characters started dating which roberto is known to do in riverdale. this pretty much ruined the plot and the potential love triangle.
@@19Rena96 ….you think that the original Archie Comics Sabrina has Harvey die… I weep for the brain cells that die every time I have to deal with people this dumb.
I completely agree, the love story between Harvey and Sabrina was essential to the overall story arc, star crossed lovers from different worlds and all of that. It added a level of emotional complexity. When they had Harvey and Roz get together simply because the actors were dating in real life, I lost interest in the show because there is nothing I hate more than show writers catering to the cast and fans instead of staying true to the story. Also whatever the fuck with Roz's storyline and that whole hating witches going blind subplot that got completely dropped, ugh the writing. UGH. This bummed me out again haha.
My issue of the pacing kinda ties into the scene you mentioned with killing the angels, like angels are equivalent in the hierarchy to demons and so I think should be a lot harder to defeat, like maybe she should have stayed dead an episode and we follow her as she comes back to life Also, going from a 16yo girl who hasn’t decided if she even wants to be a witch to replacing satan in just 2 years irl (idr how long in the show) is just dumb Most of the storyline should have been extended to nearly double what it was because for me there was not time to even appreciate the weight of any events because it was so fast it felt inconsequential Deciding to defy the devil should have taken longer, killing angels should be a big deal, defeating anyone with hundreds of years of practice in magic should have been more difficult, replacing Satan should have been the crowning achievement after like 10 years Which is basically a long winded version of what you so nicely summed up with your Perfect Character Syndrome point
Her being the devil's sword is insanely similar to a concept in another fantasy series who are called mortal swords for various gods. The book also has a wild wolfgirl who can communicate with ancient Neanderthal tribes... 😀😀
I think the only reason why anyone would defend any of these characters is strictly because of the people portraying them. They are really carrying the show with their charisma and delivery.
I'd fully agree if it wasnt for hilda, ambrose and theo. I don't remember a single moment where Hilda's reactions and actions weren't appropriate except the catholic baptism thing. Ambroses "immaturity" can very easly be explained by the virtue of him spending half of his life inprisoned, besides that weak critique he's easly the best character in the show. And Theo is literally the only reasonable friend Sabrina had during all seasons, and the only good friend she has from the spectrum of us as the watchers.
I do agree everyone else is carried heavly by how charming the actors are. The casting in this show is fantastic and every actor carried out their roles amazingly. Shame for the very poor and non thought out writing
Funny, I'm only now watching the series and just today I told my son I don't know why I'm torturing myself with this show, but I love the characters. They keep doing the dumbest sht, but I can't stop watching to see what they do next. I truly don't understand myself right now.
I had a similar experience. I refuse to watch what I consider bad TV or movies. But this was different, I think the aesthetic was so well done I could get lost in it despite the writing@@mimib323
Lucifer in season 2: "I'm gonna conquer earth and make everyone my slaves". Lucifer in season 4: "ladies & gentlemen, i'm the host for this music concert!Let's rockn roll". Damn..
@@mocagami Still not over the removal of Shang, the addition of some man killing witch, and the existence of a second daughter, that makes Mulans struggles less important, cause spoilers for those people.. >_> her sister gets married, so she brings honor to the family anyway. edit:I forgot about the cgi Chi power
I really hated the episode in which they make fun of the old sitcom, not only do they half ass it (They should have reconstructed the original sets for the house), but the way they're so mean spirited about the Salem puppet is outright off-putting, the puppet in the sitcom looked fake but the techniques behind it were top notch, not only was the puppet so complex it needed two operators, but they also had five live cats and their trainers for scenes where Salem moved around, so in reality it was a massive effort and to see the reboot be so dismissive of it really irked me, especially when this is really emblematic of the whole thing, because for a 90's show STTW was really visually inventive and they used a ton of different special effects, both digital and practical, and CAOS is just such bare minimum in everything it does and it cuts corners everywhere so no, they don't get to make fun of the 90s version.
@Muscle Man No, the puppet was another random thing that was opposite to the villain. Also, my point has nothing to do with the script of the show, I just hated how shoddily they recreated the 90s show while mocking it, if you really want to act superior then show us you can do sonething at least on par.
That's what directors and writers do these days for reboots. They don't think their own creation can stand on its own so they tear down and insult what came before to make themselves look better. There are so many examples: Disney Star Wars, Masters of the Universe Revelation, Thundercats Roar, Nu Trek, Dr. Who...
@@uncletimo6059 Oh, studios greenlight it for sure, but they don't make the creative decision. That's all on writers, directors, and the creative team. Studios aren't gonna micromanage every project. For tv shows, they have showrunners to keep things in line between episodes and give the larger direction.
The whole Aunt Zelda not allowing men during childbirth its a thing that Midwives used to do very late into the 1950’s. Aunt Zelda is, even though she doesn’t look like it, a very old school character so, even though I don’t agree with it, her, in a position of being an old midwife who follows old traditions, it makes sense for her not to allow a man in a room where a woman is giving birth.
No one would care if this was an isolated instance, but because it isn't, people are just more likely to complain, even though, as you said, this is the one time when the character's behavior makes sense.
"Woman a being strong and empowered woman as long as they are kneeling down at mens feet but while they do it they are mega attractive as frick, hot bad bi***es with heavy make up like black smokey eyes and red lipstick while wearing black leather and black high heels" - The Producer's Feminism
I actually like that Harvey is boring because Sabrina's life is already so action-packed and why it makes it more sense that Sabrina loves him because of that. He grounds her and won't let her forget her mortal side. But the writers ruined him in favor of Nick...
@@ianpitzerds They gave all that to Nick because all the girls were simping for him. It didn't matter that Harvey is the canon boyfriend all they want is bad boy sexy Nick! I felt so bad for Harvey and RAS destroyed him in favor for his own created boy toy!
@@equinoxXIII yeah, honestly most writers tend to fall for the cliches instead of writing better characterization because they believe the fans just watch the show for these obvious tropes, even when it doesn't really make sense to the main character to choose the supposed bad boy. My biggest pet peeve of all is when the writers go out of their way to ruin a good character just because they want their main to end up with the bad boy. Like, they always choose the lazy route, they don't keep everyone well-written and nice and their reasons and actions plausible because it might cause backlash if the main character chooses the bad boy if the good boy is still nice and cool, so they destroy the good guy in order to make the bad boy more appealing and like the obvious/only choice, even when the way they start writing the good boy completely goes against everything that has been established about them so far
@@ianpitzerdsyeah I'd really love to see more media where people end up with the good choice instead of the super toxic person they're choosing to blindly see the best in. Especially as I've gotten older, found my person and got married, I find myself rooting for boring normal, grounded love interest because I remember how stressful being with Broken Bad boy/girl was.
Yeah, I liked Harvey and I couldn't stand Nick. And I dont get why the writers chose Nick over Harvey. Nick didn't really know who Sabrina is because he loves the idea of her and Harvey knew her. Also... im not a fan of the Roz/Harvey romance. It felt forced and really fake and the worst part is that those two had no chemistry despite the fact that they're dating (at least during the show) also it's kind of messed up if you think about it because Roz knew that Sabrina had a long relationship with him. She knows that talk about Harvey it's awkward for her and yet she still starts dating him without telling her and then Roz expects Sabrina to be okay with it just because??? Roz is a terrible friend now i think about it. And something that i don't understand is: according to the prophecy Roz is supposed to lose her eyesight but she will obtain the gift and on season 2 she has the gift and she still can see.
Chilling Adventures of Sabrina would have been perfect if they'd kept it more small scale. Focus in on the idea of witches as relatively small-fry in a bigger, scarier supernatural world. Adding in the Devil and other celestial beings just weakened the stakes; I couldn't get invested in the idea that the fate of the world revolved around one small town. More of the antagonists should have been on the same scale as the druids, or the sleep demon - street-level enemies that still imply a great deal about what the wider world is like. The Devil existing in the story is fine, but having witches be explicitly satanic and making Sabrina his daughter locked the show into a death spiral of escalating power it couldn't escape from.
Agreed. This can be a problem with many stories. When you put "the fate of the world" into a story, readers and watchers often become detached since its hard to relate to the whole planet. The fate of the town, or the fate of your friends or family is a much easier and better story line. Or just have a show about a family of whiches struggling through the world with supernatural nonsense of the week on top. That would've been great.
the devil in the first season: creepy crazy goat, mad powerul and cool the devil in the last season: spoiled baby boy who is also totally underwhelming
I hated the fact that Sabrina Morningstar just gave up and submitted to his desires and even BONDED with him as a "dad". Didn't he kill her parents, traumatize and abuse her and torment her whole family? Seriously what even is this show's writing with the villains.
Ambrose was my favorite ever. I loved his tragic story line and enjoyed him and Sabrinas relationship. I watched after season 3 because of him. I wasnt invested in the crazy story line much. Like as soon as the hob goblin showed up i was checking out lol
yes exactly. people stopped talking about it after season 2 so when I watched the last 2, I didn't have anyone to share my frustration with. I watched season 4 hoping it would be better that season 3 since season 3 was pretty much all about orgies but it sucked too. Last 2 seasons made me want to jump off a cliff (Nick kills himself? wtf was that all about? seriously worst ending ever). I remember how this show used to be my favourite in like 2018.
Totally spot on about most of this, but regarding Zelda kicking Blackwood out of his kid's birth - didn't she do that on purpose so that she could lie to him about the babies?
Personally, I would have rather had Satan as a looming, mysterious figure for the entire show than that weird father daughter subplot thing that happened. Honestly, he got more development than Nick
The trailers were so iconic like even the less horror-themed ones were still cool as shit, and they all had me clinging on to the idea that Sabrina would embrace her evil side. Like even in the comics she's not averse to evil things, she knows her aunts are cannibals, she uses magic to make Harvey like her, and she even writes her name in the book of the beast, but doesn't actually get to sign it. All of the first season should have been a build-up to her sixteenth birthday, that way we could have had more time to explore her relationships with her friends and Harvey and see some reasons why she wouldn't want to leave it behind, but also some of the reasons why she wouldn't want to stop being a witch.
When the first season came out the trailer was good that I made my friends all watch it and we decided we would watch the show together. We didn't watch it together back then, thank god, they would have blamed me for picking it when it went to shit in season 3 lol.
@@daimhinaubrey3194 yeah babes, they mention it in the first season with the long pig comment, but in the comics they are full canibals, hence why they chose to run a mortuary and live opposite a grave yard
I really wish they would have gone back and explored Sabrina as an actual teenager at Baxter High and being presented with scenarios where she could be a crime-fighting witch with her HS friends which is how I interpret the title "The chilling Adventures of Sabrina." I really feel like they started going off the deep end and season 3 but I still feel like the show could come back with a fresh start going back to Baxter High
This show is a case study of "a perfect recipe going awry in the oven." The story potential, the amazing casting, the budget... not to mention it had the overwhelming support of the public and a pre-existing cult following of two fandoms (something I don't know that I've ever witnessed before, normally reboots, re-tellings, and remakes are met with such scrutiny and immediate criticisms). It is truly incredible that they were able to bork this so hard.
Just imagine: Lucifer being the guy that values free will above all things, and Sabrina being destined to be his Sword. Just the clash of prophecy and free will would have allowed for amazing dialogue. But they ruined it.
Everytime he talks, I want to punch a hole in a wall like please never open your mouth again. All the things he say is cringy or annoying or both. Also why does the actor talk like he just got his wisdom tooth pulled out?
I also hate how he went from a supposedly higher that was above everyone and always planned ahead to basically being like a very horny and sarcastic 40 year old that can be defeated easily by half of the people in the show
À Lucifer obsessed with Free Will would have been fascinating to watch. I’d love to hear him bragging about giving Eve the apple and granting free will to humanity. Being mad at God for wanting to control humanity with His doctrine and giving witches power and immortality just to fuck with gods plan is exactly what a rebellious angel would do. The conflict of having witches promise themselves to Satan, when Satan hates confining free will could make great content around the prophecies around Sabrina and the destiny she’s trying to defy
That 'woke capitalism' trend is really annoying. The writers seem to think it is enough to just throw a bunch of trendy words without bringing any substance because they do not care about uplifting women or other disadvantaged groups, they care about profit, and feminism sells like hot cakes. As for the image of the 'empowered' woman, it seems, that the writer is, at his core, extremely sexist and chauvinistic since he didn't even bother to look into the basic ideas of feminism. He most likely deems traditionally feminine traits as intrinsically inferior to masculine ones, which would explain why being 'empowered' in the show means to be a ruthless mean bitch just like the stereotypical wolf of wall street. I would argue that, ironically, quiet and insecure Hilda is a much better illustration of the feminist narrative and what women have to deal with in reality: all her life she has been told what to do, been bullied and manipulated, yet, she managed to find the strength to stay positive and caring of people around her, and, gradually learn to stand her ground. I think this is why she is your favorite character of all - the writers unintentionally managed to deliver an actually relevant empowerment story. Also, that story about Theo's transition and the fact that it only came out this way because the actor had to ask for more time is just hilarious. Everything you need to know about 'progressive' shows.
Wait is that true about Theo? I just thought the actor was trans themselves and the writers wanted to (for the lack of a better term) accomodate him? If that’s true that’s kinda fucked. Actor - “Oh I want more to do” Writers - “You can now be trans so we get woke poin… I mean for diversity and inclusion and a greater involvement from you”
@@tripledigit4835 To be honest, I do not know for sure but I also do not see any reasons not to believe the author of the video. And, yes, that's fucked up as hell. On the bright side, it also starkly illustrates how much storytelling can benefit when it encompasses the perspectives of minority groups.
Well stated...Hilda is summed up with this quote: "Don't mistake my kindness for weakness." Out of all the characters, she really expresses love to Sabrina in such a healthy manner. As far as Theo goes, I feel like the character needed better development. There wasn't enough foundation as to why he was going to transition. Besides that, what happened to the ghost aunt???? Is she a ghost? She just disappeared.
I feel Ambrose was meant to fill the part of Salem talking. He's sarcastic, over the top, and instead of being a cat for his crimes he's stuck in the property. I don't know why they didn't have Salem be the same talking cat who could also give information to Sabrina like Ambrose does, I love Ambrose but I love Salem more
@@ydiafol-1 I'm allergic to cats as well but I just need to take no sleepy allergy meds and I'm fine, and I'm pretty allergic. I'm not demanding she do so for the sake of the show, but there are ways around it
@@ydiafol-1 that would explain the lack of scenes with both Sabrina and Salem in it (particularly in the same frame) but doesn't nearly explain how they shafted his character altogether. Not the actress' fault at all -- I get it, but other than that it's a waste, really. I mean Brie Larson turned out to be allergic during the filming of Captain Marvel but they still utilized Goose a lot -- granted, they have that typical MCU budget, but still.
They could have simply used a different form for Salem post allergic reaction(its not like they cared much about the canon of the source material anyway and there are other iconic witch familiars besides black cats). I would agree they simply didnt bother because Ambrose pretty much filled the advisor spot anyway and they had no idea what to do with Salem after giving his job to someone filling the quota.
Cat CGI is very complex and very-very expensive. Like doubling this show budget expensive. And old "replace him with a hand-toy when he's talking" wouldn't work in horror
40:08 it's so good to hear you say you love aunt Hilda! as the actress is British actress, Lucy Davis and she's amazing! She's in Shaun Of The Dead and the uk The Office and she is so hilarious and endearing in both!
Is just really surprising how non threatening he becomes. He gushes over Caliban's abs. Zelda points out the devil lies a lot less than Sabrina. He is shitty to Lilith and then loving and then shitty again. After being this menace he is just...there. Chilling.
I could talk for so long about the characterization of a strong woman in this show. There was that moment in that dream sequence episode where you find out Zelda’s nightmare was losing Hilda. And it was actually interesting to me thinking it might have an impact on her character and she might have an arc where she comes out of it actually stronger but nope their version of a strong woman is just having power with very little motivation. It has such girlboss energy.
For some time my boyfriend had thought that Ambrose is Salem's human form and was very confused at some points in the show before I told him x'd But I liked that reading. It's a shame it's not like that.
@@henrikaugustsson4041 I have been saying this for a while. Society dogs every little thing these days, but when writers come up with "woke" characters all we get are shallow shells. It's been so harmful that we have people believe that "white people" really are evil & "men" really are all just selfish pigs. Is that really a healthy way to view life. So in turn we get characters who embody these thoughts. This writer wasn't out of touch by the way. This is reality right now.
LOVED the scene of the witches performing the exorcism! It was so badass girl power all that good stuff but not long after that it becomes clear that theres nothing she cant do and without even breaking much of a sweat. I got bored fast. Its like every episode something devastating and extreme comes up and then by the end of the episode Sabrina saves the day, adjusts her headband and then goes to school. Lame.
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I wasn’t sure I wanted to make a video on this show
The video: an hour and a half
Hey, you leave my illogical ass alone!
@@friendlyspaceninja lmfao
@@friendlyspaceninja HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Its so satanic and cannibalism's I couldn't watch it . Nothing to with Sabrina teen age. Its not meant for teenagers' Also others shows like lucifer Riverdale and are not for teenagers .
@@friendlyspaceninja CAN YOU PLS MENTION WHAT SONG YOU USE IN UR OUTRO it's soooo good
The reason Salem doesn't talk is because he'd call Sabrina out on all her bad decisions honestly
That's another reason I stopped watching, because Salem didn't speak.
Oh no don't do them like that
@@AMV_KINGDOM_mv Oh I will do them like that. They deserve to be trashed.
I thought her cousin was a sort of compromise of that. He can speak and make bad choices as well 😅
The irony of this comment is that Salem does call her out when he's on screen and she fucks up. They Chewbacca him.
So it’s not that he can’t write female characters. He just can’t write any type of characters.
At least he's consistent
@@bejo2551 LMFAO
@@bejo2551 the only thing really.
that's equality, babey
@@bejo2551 he consistently can't write consistent characters
the irony lol
This probably isn't a big deal for a lot of people, but it reeeeally bothers me how this show uses Lilith. In the original mythology, Lilith is the woman who refused to be subservient to anyone, even God, so it's kind of insulting to portray her as so desperate for Lucifer's approval while also parroting that fake feminist nonsense. Like, she's the original femme fatale, why not use that angle?I guess maybe it's a side effect of how they chose to portray Lucifer, but I think it'd be more interesting to have Lilith and Lucifer as a messy power couple and do something with that dynamic.
I feel like whenever a show has some biblical themes there has to be a Lilith and most of the times shes just evil and nothing more. Especially in this show she could’ve been so much more. Especially since her biblical counterpart and Sabrina share some important traits
What pissed me off the most about the use of Lilith was how she’s not even in the Bible. She’s only seen in the Old Testament, which has a very different and somewhat opposite definition and view of events in its scripture. Lilith is 100% a thing that belongs to Jewish culture and religion, and culturally appropriating her to fit a stupid Christian narrative is infuriating
@@elisabethschmerzler963 oh god, its not the cultural appropriating thing again...seriously.
@@elisabethschmerzler963 If Lilith is part of the Old Testament, then yeah, she's in the Bible. You can't say she's not in the Bible she's only in the OT?
@@randomwerewolf1099 She’s mentioned solely in the Talmud. Some people don’t know what that is so I just used Old Testament as an inference for Jewish scripture
could not agree more about Sabrina's flaws! She's a 16-year-old girl with way more power than any 16-year-old should ever have. Her selfishness and terrible decisions makes sense for a teenager.... But the show/writing doesn't acknowledge that they're flaws, and that's why it doesn't work.
@haleylquinton It's both her power and her ultimate downfall. perfectionist idealism that doesn't want to yield to anything or anyone eventually lead to her demise as she finally met something that's beyond her. I see it as one of the better parts of her plot and as something essential to her character
this show has the quintissential tropes of an immature writing team. they can write, but in their own lives they have not grown up
Sooo true. To the point of her being insufferable
So true! The terrible consequences of her using magic to help someone but ended up a mistake should've had a latter. That would've raise the stakes in the series and would've been fun to watchm
What irked me about it is that she supposedly has all that power and then *does* *not* *use* it when necessary
Hey. Remember when Harvey was hinted to be a descendant from witch hunters and that he would embrace his heritage one day?
Oof i forgot about that one, such a waste!
I think about it all the time, it's so frustrating to see potential wasted.
Oh yeah I forgot that was a thing. I was really convinced back then that he would discover some dark family secret that had something to do with the spellmens (Like they killed a relative or his mum) so he would try to kill them all including Sabrina. I really thought he would embrace his dark witch hunter side or at least do something with that info.
Yeah that would've been so cool. :( I would've loved to see more conflict with the humans and the witches. I thought, especially because of what Sabrina did to Tommy, that we'd get a plot around that. It's mind boggling. I would've loved something like that, it would be legitimately awesome.
THIS!!!! And Theo seeing the ghost of their aunt ...I kept waiting for them to be a necromancer
what did go wrong with this? It’s easy: this show was created by Roberto Aguirre Sacasa, the genius behind Riverdale
At least Riverdale is entertainingly bad.
@Carlos Graja right, it stopped being entertainingly bad in s2, some ppl just just like shit bc that mess is not entertaining whatsoever anymore.
Your profile picture is very fitting for this video. That’s the REAL Salem right there.
Correct... Not to mention the studio and team that made this chilling nightmare
two shows that had ok/good starts that were ruined
I was shocked that Nick killing himself to be with Sabrina in the afterlife was overly romanticised. It was an awful way to end the series, and Kiernan had to try to justify the decision in an interview.
CW never fails to dissapoint
@@ww.DuzaFizz Netflix
yesss i was so mad at the ending
I've also seen so many fans justifying it by saying it's just fiction. Fiction or not, it's awful
@@Rikki1616161616 The problem is, fiction doesn't just exist in a vacuum
The only thing that saved Salem for me was just how unbelievably cute that cat was
I like cats
Salem was easily the best part of the original TV series.
Me too.
Season 1 Lucifer was such a scary threat, literally the devil, the one that has all the power and only shares it with the witches. Season 4 he's a background character making funny jokes, and the witches found like 3 different magic sources in the meantime.
It reminds me of the gradual change of Villanelle from Killing Eve
I love this show but yeah I agree, season 1 is creepy and disturbing and then by the end of season 4 the writers focused too much on Sabrina’s and Nick relationships instead of the threats 🤦🏻♀️
yeah, the Eldritch Horrors seemed more threatening than him
There is a certain problem with shows like this.
They always feel they need to incorporate as much of references, gods or monsters into the show, not because it adds to the story, but for the sake of a cheap thrill of the audience saying "I know this one" They never answer how the goddess Hecate, the pagans and eldritch horrors fit into the mythology of the show. They merely add it, without giving an explanation on how it functions. Saying that "This is just magic" or "This is just how it is" does not work when the mythology feels unrealistic and contradictory, because of it.
@@Greendalewitch Ikr. How the Old Ones (Lovecraftian copies) fit into the Christian setup of the series? But heck, even the "witches are devil worshippers" concept is dumb anyway because witches originally were pagans in real life...
love how almost every character is explained as "the actor is phenomenal but wow the character sucks ass"
Which sucks.an Actor worklife can end if they play a shit characters
The 1rst season and most of the 2nd were honestly good... They lost the plot afterwards.
@@tetsudikawakami7787 not true Kristen Stewart still gets jobs so I mean
@@herewegoagain4033 I mean, she's an outlier, but even she and Paterson had to hit the indie film scene for a fair while to regain their credibility.
He goes a little too hard on that idea on occasion.
Like when he mentioned that "bad line delivery" is due to the bad script, not due to the actor delivering the line...badly.
Uh. No. If the line is delivered horribly, that's on the actor. The sentence itself may be stupid or cliche or nonsense, but it's still the actor saying it. There's no point in defending that.
I've only watched 2 of his reviews and already it feels like "writing bad" is one of his go-to points whenver ANY type of critique comes up. And while writing is incredibly important, actors can be at fault, too.
For some reason I love when people talk about shows that disappoint them.
Me too
Me too, especially when they had so much potential beforehand!
@@trinaq I see you everywhere it looks like we follow the same commentary channels!
@@lilygirllisa Yep, great minds certainly think alike, right?! 😉
me too especially when a show disappoint me too
hurts watching this after Chance Perdomo's passing. he rly was part of the heart and soul of this show and a brilliant actor lost too soon
Absolutely, I was so pleased to see Chance Perdomo getting more roles after Chilling Adventures with Gen V. He was an impressive actor who should've gone far, and it's a tragic loss.
i didnt even know he died????? wth??
Despite everything, hats off to the casting director. This shows wouldn’t have lasted half as long without some of their actors.
True
Michelle Gomez is a marvel in everything (that I’ve seen her in, at least).
that's why the potential was so high :(
If it weren't for Ambrose I would have stopped watching this show a long time ago, honestly wish he had his own spin-off centering around solving magical problems using his immense knowledge and research skills. Other spin-offs Id watch would be a Zelda/Hilda one, a Blackwood one with the Weird Sisters, or a Lilith/Lucifer one. Hell, I'd take a Hilda one with Dr.Cee and their adventures as a couple dealing with magical problems too, even. And that's not to say that I hate Keirnan's acting, I honestly believe she's a super talented actress with a great future, but the Sabrina character is too insufferable for me.
honestly i feel almost if not all the actors were well casted
Nick "romantically" killing himself to be with Sabrina seemed kinda off. Especially when the same streaming service gave us a whole series about teenager suicide awareness.
A series that caused s0icides to spike, Netflix sends a lot of mixed messages
13 reasons why completely botched its message to the point where it was actually about romanticizing suicide as revenge, school shootings, rape, etc. instead.
That show you reference is actually hugely problematic in it's depiction of suicide (they actively went against general guidelines to depict the correct way of severing arteries that can kill you in seconds - hugely awful decision that makes me furious) so it's not surprising they allow shows to be irresponsible like this lol
Well, Netflix has both 13 reasons why and Bojack horseman, so that tells you something about how different messages and quality you can find on this platform when it comes to serious issue.
@@nanalove3819 Yeah, can't tell if Netflix is committed to pluralism and the diversity of perspectives or if they're committed to controversy and what might sell. Whichever the case, people are tuning in, risking occasional inconsistencies in quality and messaging to stumble across completely satisfying and delightful gems like Bojack. Can't think of a better world than hit or miss, actually, one that avoids the boredom and stagnation (let alone the dangers) of culture's natural tendency to gravitate toward the monolithic.
To quote Jenny Nicholson’s Vampire Diaries video, “I’m really disappointed by this show’s use of the devil.”
Lmao, yesss.
I love how ridiculously fitting this is
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i just came from watching that
The Lucifer show was just as dumb/more so actually. I did love the devil in supernatural.
Bellatrix
I was HOOKED on this show. Until that cheerleading musical scene. My eyes rolled so hard lolol
Very True!!!!! After I saw that scene I stopped watching the entire show.
One of the most disturbing things that I don't really see people talk about is Nick's PTSD from trapping the devil in his body and how it can be an allegory for male sexual abuse when he cries and says things like "I can still feel him inside me". But, no one takes him seriously and the writer turns him into the bad guy who cannot be loyal to Sabrina when he uses sex to deal with his trauma.
as a sa victim who isn't a woman (and is hypersexual), looking at it, holy shit you're right and that hits so close to home
YES!! It could have been so good!!
@@the-postal-dude I feel happy to see someone say they became hypersexual after SA. I have this same reaction, but I have no clue why and I always gett judged for it.
@@RaroHi i honestly wish it wasn't as stigmatized and had more representation that y'know. wasn't extremely antagonizing (i get it, hypersexuality is an issue and can cause bad things but most hypersexual people i met know how to control it)
i was going to just say i'm glad you feel a bit better, but it turned into another rant lol
Exactly, I hated how roughly that situation was explored in the show. He should have been met with so much more empathy
Sabrina is the kind of show were everybody understands their assignment except the writers. Casting, acting, filming, set and clothes are amazing. What a let down. Some of these lines Istg, not worse than Riverdale but close.
Yes! This is an excellent summation of what was wrong with the show. Casting? Excellent. Set design? Excellent. Wardrobe? Excellent. Make up/special effects? Excellent. Writing? *sad trombone*
Amen to that. That being said, there is nobody in Hollywood these days able to write a story. I'm not even interested in anything coming out for the last few years.
I honestly think that this is the reason CAOS doesn’t get as much hate as some other shows with similar writing as the rest of the production works well
The makeup, not in the magical creatures but in the actors faces
So it's basically the seasons 6-8 of GOT?
I was gonna say that the tone was all over the place. There’s the body horror and the little kid being kidnapped by the ice cream man and then cheerleaders are singing and you’re like…?
First two seasons are fine. And incredibly witchy as planned. Then the third and fourth one. It smells a lot like Riverdale. The random song number. They should have stopped at the second one. I was secretly hoping at the third one that they'll recover. But maybe they did. A bitm
It feels like they were trying to make an ironic juxtaposition but it ended up just being unorganized and chaotic 😵💫
@@taystanloona6002 sometimes it got so dark it looked like it got scared by itself and had to lighten the mood with a musical number.
Ice cream pedo kidnapping and killing children ? We don’t mean it really - here’s some cheerleaders dancing around.
Lilith killing her own child so Lucifer can’t use it against her? We don’t mean it - look here’s Satan’s singing contest.
What about Lilith murdering her baby? Think I'm still horrored by thank, and genuinely thought it was a trick but nooooo 😱
@@Natta44 also that. I thought that was a cop-out too! And everyone just forgets about it 😭
In the first season I interpreted sabrinas ability to break every rule as a hidden plot of satan. In aunt selda you see the powerdriven side of the spellmans and sabrina has that too. She needs to help everyone not because she s so empathetic but because she wants to control what happens. So I expected lucifer to manuver her after the powertrip in a position of absolute helplesness until she succumbs to him but no she has to triumph.
that would of been such an awesome concept and could of had some great moments for sabrina as a character. believing she had this control when really the cards were always forced in her favour and she won’t ever have true consequences. could of been amazing but nope!
"this man wrote a terrible adaptation of his own comic book" I cannot stop laughing 😆 It says it all
How do you fuck up your own source material? 😭
@@ohword9541 I mean to be fair dont quote me but I think there are only like 3 or 4 issues of the chilling adventures of sabrina I read it online when it first came out and waited forever for the 5the issue I think to come out. Idk if the comics picked back up.
@@Kiba151 Damnnn
Legit
There is a saying in Hollywood, about how writers shouldnt adapt their own work on screen. This show will be an example of why. Take notes people.
The fact that Lilith said "women should be in charge" and then in the next scene knelt down to kiss Satan's goat feet.....
Lol his “goat feet” 😂
That was sort of the point, wasn't it? She fed Sabrina bullshit she knew Sabrina would react well to, while actually being completely loyal to the devil.
Lilith is just a parody of Twitter feminists at this point.
That's called being trapped in a abusive relationship
@@safirak7988 that part!
Regarding Ambrose & his immaturity despite his age. In the very last season, Aunt Zelda finally points this out and says "Really?? A 16 yr old girl forced an 134 yr old man to lie. Is that what happened Ambrose? Did Sabrina bully you?" It was so satisfying 😭😂
FACTS OMG 😂
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that "acient being that looks like a teenager" is a trope i hate for that reason. Like half the time its just creepy because they'll often end up dating someone old enough to be their great-great-grandchild and the rest of the time they're totally bitches that hasnt matured in centuries. Even if you look 14 that doesnt mean you cant mature past 14.
What i hate most about Chilling Sabrina, is that whenever Sabrina does something wrong, people just go like, “its forgotten.” Like, she doesn't take responsibility and people just magically forget about the entire thing. Are you kidding me?
This was the primary thing that made me quit the show after season 2, that and Lilith, Michelle Gomez’s character leaving. Sabrina never really deals with any consequences for her stupid actions and I really hate that. Also she never seemed to learn the word “no” Eg. Harvey asks her not to use magic to help him solve his problems she doesn’t listen and the narrative treats him as unreasonable for being upset by that. She’s quite frankly one of the worst I’m always right characters that I’ve ever seen. The only thing that kept me watching was Harvey, the Aunts and Lilith - Ambrose to a certain extent as well.
Correct me If I'm wrong but Lilith is in the Show the whole 4 seasons?@@jamesy8217
The terrible consequences of her using magic to save someone would've made this series so interesting to watch.
For example, the consequence of bringing Harvey's brother would make her a target by other witch hunters or some powerful demon would be intrigued by her ways and use her as a pawn. Either way could go.
Everyone was eyeing on her after all.
I mean, the lore itself was already badass, creepy and dauntingly scary, keep the romance drama, but the writers decided to screw it up BIG TIME.
the problem with EVERY CW show is always: Actors are great, writing is atrocious
True that.
But this is a Netflix show, the other 2 archie universe shows are CW
Except Crazy Ex-girlfriend. Although I only watched up to season 3. And Jane the Virgin. Cliche sometimes, yes. But because it's whole gimmick is following telenovela tropes.
@@NVMil agreed with Jane the Virgin (haven't seen Crazy Ex-girlfriend so can't comment), it had it's cheesy/campy moments but overall it was hilarious and is a great parody of Spanish telenovelas
they making a powerpuff girl remake on CW ;-;
WAIT but concept that Sabrina was the Devil's sword could have been AMAZING. She would technically be a holy weapon then- but 'corrupted' with Lucifer's fall so it would make sense why she's stuck in-between worlds and why a lot of the rules don't apply to her. The relationship between her and Lucifer could have been so intriguing, she is a source of his power, kinda like a familiar herself but also having her own identity crisis?? That could have been great.
And if they wanted to go the 'feminism' (more accurately be woman in positions of power) route, why not have Lucifer need to prove to her that he is still worthy of an angelic weapon despite being fallen? It would force him to define his motivations, strengths, why he hates humanity and why he needs to convince Sabrina to join him.
I'm kinda extra angry now :( I stopped watched watching after the first season, now I'm extra mad they wasted all of these great concepts...
It's not the same but if you want a living sword storyline, the male love interest in the YA fantasy trilogy The Name of The Blade by Zoe Marriott is a living sword/linked to a magic sword. He slept in the sword for thousands of years and then for a couple years before the story starts, he had flashes and dreams of our world so he's kind of familiar with stuff but still a fish out of water. The female main character is the one wielding the sword and they have this mystical connection but also a strong partnership as warriors, it's pretty interesting!
totally agree! The Devil's Sword idea is dope as hell. They could have done so much with it! And since she's a powerful weapon, maybe it could be that she's the only thing capable of taking down the Devil (the Maker destroyed by his own Hand trope). Ugh, I'm also so upset at the wasted potential of this show
They also did the same thing in Supernatural back in the year of our lord 2010 lol. Don't watch the show, it's truly traumatic, but that was a huge part of one of the main characters, although alternatively it was the Sword of Michael, and they're interpreted as being vessels. Honestly, that was so cool but Supernatural was plagued by production issues. I do think Sabrina and Supernatural have a lot in common up to their really bad endings and they abandon the Sword of Michael concept after season 5 and then get it back in 14 and then abandon it again lol.
I love this idea of Sabrina being a holy weapon. Like you said, it deepens her conflicting natures of good and evil. This show wasted so much potential.
Hi, just wanted to add to this, but a way they could have mixed in/justified the “Lucifer’s daughter” plot line would be if, due to his corruption, Lucifer couldn’t wield the sword himself, so he tried to make a champion. Place the sword with the soul, sword is stronger, witch’s soul should get cancelled out, sturdy body of a witch, loyal mind of a holy weapon. Whoops, surprise baptism, free will has entered the chat, got blended into a Holy Witch Smoothie™️ with extra feminism, and now Sabrina can perform exorcisms
I hope that makes sense?👉🏽👈🏽
The thing with Salem is that the role was just given to Ambrose. Hear me out. Ambrose is a character who's a old and knowledgeable sorcerer, who got cursed for a terrorist crime and is now stuck, that's basically the backstory from the old series. He's cynical, (mostly) chill, charismatic, and a lot of info we get on the world comes from him. If you replace Ambrose with a talking cat in ANY SCENE except the sex ones (basically curse Ambrose into a cat instead of being stuck in the house), it just works, it fills all the holes that Salem should have filled. The writers just split Salem into two characters, Ambrose, the cynical old sorcerer, and Salem, the cat that does nothing because every writing choice was taken from him by Ambrose
Now, why does Ambrose exist at all you ask ? Because Salem is too important for Roberto to not sexualize him. Roberto needed him to be a sexy human to put in steamy sex scenes, so he created Ambrose. And since he couldn't just remove Salem because the fans would be pissed, he added a random cat anyway.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I rewatched the first season recently and you're completely right!
Well that, and keirnan was apparently allergic to cats, hence why they couldn’t have the real cat on set too much.
@@Miyanoai14 There are hypoallergenic cat breeds out there (the allergies come from a protein in the cats saliva when they lick themselves, not the hairs themselves), so i guess finding one for the filming wouldn't be too hard. Or they could have used a CGI cat, or a puppet cat, since it would have to make it talk anyway. In any case if they really wanted to, there were tons of ways they could have avoided the allergy issue and made the cat an important role, they just weren't interested in that
I agree, I actually thought the same thing too. Ambrose basically IS Salem
And he's black and gay. There was no way the cat could not lose its role these days. Poor cat.
Honestly, the actors carry the show entirely.
Watching the latest Fassbender Movie made me realize that good acting can catfish you into watching something with a terrible plot. I feel like I watch The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina for way longer than I should have.
I would've greatly enjoyed if they'd had Sabrina become a legit villain protagonist for a while, and then have something happen that forces her to see how far down the dark path she's gone, and have her confront her own selfishness and grow from it. But that's too complex for these writers.
yess that would have been really interesting
I was actually hoping that would happen, since they went far already with the whole path of darkness thing I wanted to see Sabrina act on that dark part of herself that scared her
I don't know how old you are but if you like characters going down a dark villainous path and like to read then I'd give the Young Elites Trilogy a try. It's for YA but I think it's good.
@@jacobstevens7046 Thanks for the recommendation, I've been wanting to read good books like that that actually show it the right way
@@jacobstevens7046 I've no biases against YA if it's decent! Thanks for the rec!
I hated that she was so against Lucifer being her father but totally forgot that in the next season and happily became queen of hell. Honestly if they just kept her as the sword of hell it would have so much more interesting
Dont worry she denosis him in s4
Couldn't agree more
And then she also forgot what caliban did to her and married him. Ma'am, do you have dementia?
Agreed
@@tunafish5462 technecly that was Sabrina Morningstar, a clone of Sabrina who spend way more time with him that Sabrina Spelman. Mayby he was a new man with her but his normal self with others
I hate that idea that a strong, smart female character has to be perfect to be empowering to women or a feminist icon. Dude, everyone has flaws but better than have and acknowledge flaws is character growth. That's why book Hermione is better than movie Hermione.
THIS!!!
I agree with you but as he points out in his video, the other problem is...the characters never really grew out of their flaws. The mistakes they make in S1 are still mistakes they make in S4.
@@chadestioco I definitely agree with you there 😕 there needs to be a balance. Don’t make them a Mary Sue but if they have flaws they need character development also
Omg don't get me started on Hermione 😒
I believe the best female character on TV was Susan Ivanova from Babylon 5. The character knew her primary job, but could be over worked and clunky when she had to do side projects she wasn't familiar with. Her character growth was she became less clunky the more she did the new tasks. For instance she went from diplomacy with a race that was into S&M to convincing an elder race to join the alliance when nobody else was able to talk to them.
The second best character is Margo Hansen on the Magicians. She went from being the side chick to high king of Fillory and Fillory II.
I love that you talk about this show for over an hour. And I listen to it while I wrap presents.
Let's not forget THE CANDLE. The one Sabrina lit to get rid of her feelings for Nick and Harvey that was so dramatic but apparently did NOTHING
Hahahha omg you are right. :D :D Never noticed that!
It was so frustrating when that happened
I Have a theory that was because they were going to go down the calbrina ruling in hell route, but the writers saw the fandom liked Nick more than Callaban so they scraped it.
It would explain why season 4 was so weird with the two sabrina things. They wanted to do what they wanted (calbrina in hell) but also wanted to please the fans (nick and the spellmans) like a "got their cake and eat it too" type of thing, but in the end it created this giant mess that no one liked, lol.
I think that the candle just didn't work because she wrote two names on it and her feelings for nick stayed and she just didn't have feelings for Harvey anymore
I thought of that the whole time but I think her love was just to strong for nick but also we’re just ignoring the fact that Harvey still loves Sabrina and they never even acted on it
I was absolutely HORRIFIED about Nick's ending. It was the dumbest way to end a character's story and it romanticized dying on purpose because you can't live without your SO. Like, shit, I liked Nick throughout the first seasons but then he became totally bland and his only purpose was being in love with Sabrina. He couldn't have an actual goal except showing than he was nothing on his own. Such a great example for young people watching the show. This really threw me off. I can excuse bad writing but I can't excuse showing these kind of toxic behaviors as if it was nothing.
No, I can't excuse bad writing anymore...
Also the fact that he acknowledges that sacrificing himself for her is not worth it already.
The story is called Romeo and Juliette.
@@AlexaOrchid well yes, but Romeo and Juliette was obviously not meant to be a romantic take on being unable to live without your significant other. It was written in a time where every excessive emotion was a huge no go and I would dare to say that ending your life because your loveinterest (supposedly) died is one of the most excessive emotions out there
What's funny is after I saw that ending with Nick all I could think of was this episode of Angel which points out why this idea is horrible
So strange how I just watched this video only to open my IG explore page a few hours later to see that Ambrose passed away. RIP Chance 🕊️
Also, the musicals literally were so cringe and disgusting, I had to rage quit a number of times. The "concert" at the gates of hell. I gave up on watching the rest for a long time.
Honestly they piqued at Masquerade
hahaha yeeees! "Uhhhmm, what about singing super hardcore metal in a concert in HELL. Yeah, Sweet child o'mine sounds perfect" XD
You atleast got to s3. I dropped out during s2, when I just got bored.
@@arianalbert I really liked that one but the others were bleh
Worst part of the show 🤢
I love how half of the commentary on the character is “the actor is AMAZING and PERFECT for the role and they do an INCREDIBLE job but THE FUCKING WRITING”
Biggest problem occurs when Actors don't relate with their Characters. Because they simply don't understand and don't care how that character appears to the audience.
And it is writer and directors job to help them understand the character
The Pretty Little Liars academy of abandoned storylines is definitely a name you should keep using😂😂😂😂
God at least pretty liars had a modicum of talent behind it. 😂😂😂
PLL orphanage if you will
Just CW things!
@@tochiiii what do you think I meant by “modicum?” 😂😂😂
Why call how Zelda treats Hilda "bullying"? It's straight up abuse. I watched the first few episodes of Season 1, and the main reason I stopped was I THOUGHT "Wow, Zelda is a psychopath, so she must be a bad guy", but then the show wasn't following up on that and acted like what she was doing was...excusable? Yeah. I noped out super fast.
... Ad if bullying us not a collection of physical and psychological abuse
The problem with Roberto Aguirre Sacasa is that he's very one-note. He can make a decently good first season - maybe a second if you squint real hard but ultimately, he has an undying ability to destroy the shows that he creates. What people gotta realize is you take the man - let him write out his first season, or plot what direction he wants to head into, then violently rip all of that out of his hands and get some proper writers to tidy it. You consult if you must thereafter, but he ain't gonna be able to develop it much further. Or if he must continue to be a showrunner, let him have one season only. It'll likely make a good standalone piece.
Smells like Steven Moffat
This is so spot on. I'm sure he's not the only writer out there like this, but he is one of the first I've seen where it's so glaringly obvious that he is not at all as good as he's made to seem. He gets a talented cast, a decent budget and a talented crew, lets them enjoy the excitement of everyone talking about their show for a year, and then they all just get stuck in a world of his bad decisions and everyone joking about how much their show sucks.
Reminds me of how JJ Abrams can come up with really good concepts, but has no idea how to write a middle or end
Hell the fact that I can think of so many directors and show runners similar to Roberto shows there is definitely a problem with entertainment today
He has great concepts but never knows how to extend them
@@2cloud22 oh god. Recently rewatched Sherlock and this statement stabbed me right in the soul. Too true, man. Too true.
Early Sabrina had some Addams family quality to it. Mixing good and evil, blurring the lines. Later it felt more like Mary Sue and the good kids in satanic Hogwarts, fighting against the evil.
Agreed!
NAILED IT!!
so it turned into My Immortal?
tbh agreed
fighting against the holy 😂😂
Sabrina repeatedly choosing to not learn from her mistakes nearly made me stop watching the show altogether
when I found out she wanted to marry calbain in season 4 I literally just closed Netflix and stopped watching for like a week. Lady? Ma'am? Do you not learn? Like ever? I know she is supposed to be young and all but I have seen 12 year olds who are more mature than this dumbass.
Honestly, it went from "oh, I am really hopeful she has a satisfying redemption later on", to "she's a lost cause, might as well make her the villain at that point"
I mean honestly I’m not mad towards that idea that well, she is Lucifer’s daughter, she believes she can do anything and get away with it , she is arrogant and she is selfish and a narcissist , that’s the whole Lucifer side of her
I think it could have been so cool to actually battle with those two ideas, didn’t she supposedly killed her “evil “ self? That was when I was like “ oh .uhm, that’s stupid” they could have done so much more
They could have started seeing things way more on a gray area , THE WHOLE SERIES WAS BLACK OR WHITE
Just the line "I will fix this.. like I always do"
BISH YOU'RE THE REASON THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE DONT TELL ME YOURE SO GREAT AT FIXING STUFF
what really wasted what was left of the show for me, especially on the "feminist" part, was seeing Sabrina accept that she lost both her boyfriends by burning the candle with their names on it, and that she could never get any of them because of that, leading to a "I don't need no man" character development. Which was kinda cool, because I feel that you don't see often shows that end without the main character being in a happy relationship. I thought "good, she will learn to live single, and eventually find someone else because that is life". Only for her to end with Nick because "hey, let's give her her happy ending anyway". Either that, or that was Nick who needed her desperatly. But again, he was supposed to have lost all feelings for her after she burnt the candle. So this conclusion makes no sense to me, and just appears as a "the hero ended up with her boyfriend eventually".
The fact that they took such a feminist and badass woman and gave her the name "Madam Satan" because she is just that devoted to the devil is an insult to Lilith
youre so right i never even thought of that
This.
every media platform butchers Lilith's mythology in general, so that's not a surprise
Yes.
yesssss i was just about to write this but came to check if anyone had already said it! Lilith s so amazing and as a witcho who actually works with lucifer and has casual contact and devotion so lilith, the lore they put behind her is insulting. Lucifer respects lilith SO much. Naming her madam satan is just cringy
"Someone's gonna end up crying, probably me" said Salem from Sabrina the Teenage Witch about his future self not being able to talk, lol.
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The show died for me when they tried to turn it into a musical. They obviously learned nothing from Riverdale's disastrous attempts!
I love musicals to death, but even I think it was out of place 🤷🏽♀️
@@ericanair9144 That's because combining Sabrina and musicals is like combining ice cream and cheese. Both are great foods, but they don't go together at all.
@@ericanair9144 Well, and musicals are meant to express emotion. The one good use of a "musical" scene in Sabrina is Masquerade, because it really worked with the tension (emotion) and actually made sense within the story- also it's a one-time thing, it's not like they were singing the whole episode. It's not perfect but that scene was really cool. The lyrics fit well and their voices are rather beautiful. It doesn't work otherwise because there's not a reason for them to sing and it's just weird. There's not so much emotion behind it. Riverdale really misuses music because of this- you sing when speaking no longer expresses how you feel. The plot doesn't fit the music in Riverdale or it has to go entirely out of it's own way to make the songs make sense, and nobody sings because they're so filled with emotion that they have to, it's just because... it's a musical, so why not?
I agree. I couldn’t take it.
It's been years, but I still can't believe what a STACKED cast this show had and how little they did with it.
I think my ideal Dark Sabrina show is a pure horror show with a talking snarky Salem that brings moments of levity and dry comedy in short moments. Also I think Sabrina being in college would be more interesting than the high school teen drama. Sabrina being a young adult would allow for more freedom for the writers to dip in both ridiculousness and grounded drama.
I just finished reading the How To Survive Camping series on Reddit and it has me thinking what would've happened if, in a "dark" retelling of Sabrina, Salem played a similar role to a character from that series, The Man With A Skull Cup. A somewhat snarky companion/observer that provides occasional commentary and advice but is clearly Not there purely to help Sabrina and isn't above letting her or others get hurt, or hurting her himself, if it furthers his plans. A being that's clearly more than he appears to be, and isn't afraid to remind her that he isn't her friend, she can die at any time and it won't affect him, he's just along for the ride, a higher being observing like a person watching fish in a tank, or a kid watching ants on a sidewalk before he crushes them under his heel. A human could never hope to comprehend his real motives or true nature, and Sabrina better get used to it, because as much as he doesn't need her, she needs him.
Yes! These writers are so obsessed w placing all their shows in high school 😭
Ghost Stories dub
@@sleepythemis I think you would really like death note
Maybe one day or never :/
Nick: "Sabrina Spellman, we're endgame."
Me: *feels physical pain*
I was like, "Who says that in real life?" *physical replusion*
Lmao I repressed that line thanks for the painful reminder ☠️
Haha, it was just as cringey when Veronica said it. I remember thinking... they cannot be using that line again.
Someone call Thanos and tell him these characters need to be snapped.
i loved sabrina's face when he said that tho, she was like *cringe*
what annoys me terribly is that they worshipped the devil, but as soon as Nick is imprisoned by the devil he hates it?????????? WHY DID YOU WORSHIP HIM THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT???????? Why are you not in complete awe at being his prisoner? Witches would yearly sacrifice themselves to the devil, and you can't take being in hell?????
Maybe it is a metaphor of being in a cult
@@seleneaurea3222 I would believe that if there was any learning from it, but the characters never reflect on anything, never learn, it's all dismissed
@@cinmussi Ah, i never said it was a good written one
XDDD
So, as much as I dislike the show, this makes sense. Those that serve the devil gain a place in hell. Nick however, ended up in the position he was in for directly defying the Devil. At this point, he was no longer a worshipper, but a traitor.
I loved Chilling adventures. I wish they would have made Harvey an actual witch hunter. Not to mention Ross was a mary jane.
i love the way you clarify that it’s the characters you dislike, and not the actors. i feel like sometimes people who do reviews fail to give the actors credit for doing their best, so that was really refreshing
I thought the same thing! I feel like the actors did the best they could (a great job mostly) and they just had a cringe script.
The way Sabrina, in particular, was written, was insufferable. But Kiernan, I feel, also didn’t have the chops to infuse the character with some much-needed charm
People are bad and good. Woman and men. But the media, politics and entertainment keeps only calling out toxic men but even good men get dragged down as well. Putting us all into one group. Masculinity is never shown in a good light. Toxic females tend to get away with alot in this regard. Masculinity and femininity both need to be praised equally and not at the expense of the other.
@@nickgennadyThats Just straight Up bullshit.
best nick scene by far is after they rescue him from hell and everyone is pressuring him to be happy but he’s traumatized so he just yells everything bad about sabrina to her face…….. but then they make him apologize and basically go back to normal leaving sabrina with no character growth again
Yep! Nick's s3 (and moreso, s4) storyline was so tastelessly done. He comes back from Hell after being, at the very least, mentally and physically assaulted by Sabrina's father, of course he's not going to be able to just go back to being in a relationship with Sabrina like nothing happened. I thought the writers had a grip on this in s3 when they gave him that big breakup monologue but then he spends s4 pining after Sabrina and apologizing. In s3 there were a LOT of parallels drawn between Nick's possession by Lucifer and sexual assault (complete with hypersexualization as a coping mechanism to feel in control of his body, implying that he liked the devil being inside of him, getting rid of the "essence," the wrestling scenes, etc), and then to extend that metaphor, s4 felt like him apologizing for his bad behavior when being an SA victim...like it's not Sabrina's fault any of it happened to him but to introduce a serious topic like that and then go in that direction with it was so off-putting.
YES! Oh my god, no it is not talked about enough. They made Nick's trauma about Sabrina and I was so ready to throw hands.
sabrina never made a good decisive decision and any decisions she made that were her own idea ended in disaster yet she still felt entitled to make decisions without consulting others😭
And thats exactly why I dont like this character!
Ikr 😭 I don't dislike charecters that are like that, but the fact that she never actually learned her lesson even when people were seriously risking their life is just painful.
Yeah, exactly. I really like Sabrina, but it made sense for her to die at the end, she went through life thinking there shouldn't be consequences for her and messing with high powers as she pleased, sad, but it was a fitting end.
I think part 4 was supposed to be her redemption arc but they failed it by killing her
@@danielmanzano3287 it honestly was, the only thing i didnt like about the ending was the lack of clarity on the other sabrina and the lives of the other characters without her in it (like caliban and lucifer vs lilith, baby adam, judith and judas), and nick scratch…i cannot stand nick😂
Salem in this show is the epitome of we didn’t have enough money in the budget.
"MY NAME IS SABRINA SPELLMAN, AND I WILL NOT SIGN IT AWAY!"
"*then proceeds to sign her name, and soul, away in the season 1 finale because it's the easy solution*"
Me: *bangs head against wall*
I think that's why I couldn't go on with season 2. She was adamant about not signing the damn book and by the end she does it anyway, I guess just because? So for me that is when it became stupid.
@@jackiearnolds I think that was one of the things that started to take me out of the show too. She was constantly doing it to where if she said she wasn't going to do something in the beginning of the episode, she was going to do it by the end and it was very predictable. I do get that she might have still needed to sign for her powers or something, but they could have made her struggle a little bit more when she realized that is what she had to do, like give a reason why she doesn't want to do it but a reason for her to do it too.
What's even worse, is it doesn't even make since in universe. She signed the book because she would receive powers from satan but its later revealed that shes half angelic (from satan) so she was already born with those powers, where all the other witches have to follow satan to be gifted them (as we see in season 3 when he takes them away)...so why did she need to sign the book to unlock those powers if she was already born with them? It makes no since. It's a huge plot hole. No way they had this planned from the start.
Edit: it seems people are a bit confused by my comment, so to clarify- My point isn't that sabrina didnt know, it's that the writters clearly didnt have this planned out or think it through.
Sabrina gains powers from signing her name, but later on its revealed shes half angelic and was already born with powers (compared to the witches who have to be gifted them) and yet (again) sabrina gets new powers from signing her name.
If she already had anglic powers she wouldn't have needed to sign the book because they would have awakened eventually.
She cant already be born with them and also gain them. It doesn't work that way in universe. Yet the show tries to be both and breaks it's own lore
@@starfish4852 She didn't know that at the time. If they had done more with it and made it an agonizing choice to sign away and took us through her process of changing her mind only to find out later that it was unnecessary...that would have been good.
Then the shows completely removes the weight of signing the book because sabrina is literally the daughter of satan, the anti-jesus, and then she just seals lucifer inside of nick or something
Sabrina's collapse in quality was such a bummer. They had everything they needed: strong concept, decent cast, a SFX crew on FIRE and Netflix was willing to let them do what they wanted. All that potential and it's a mess. And we all know the writing staff will probably fail upwards onto other shows and continue the cycle.
The thing that bugged me about Ros was that her Christianity could have led to some really interesting characterization with her learning to balance that with her best friend being a witch but it just didn’t come up at all
We have the same default profile pic. Meet me in time square at midnight New Years eve to battle it out. But here’s the catch; it’s in 2012. Figure it out. Be there
Sabrina refuses to become a witch and use the powers of the devil.
Also Sabrina uses the powers of the devil to defeat the devil?
Idk I quit after the imho lousy season 1 finale
Not gonna lie I totally forgot she was Christian.
@@conormeehan. Hah! And the lettering is the same C & M
Witches power don't come from the devil. It comes from within
The actor who played Ambrose Spellman died in a motorcycle accident this Easter weekend. 2024. Just way too young, RIP 😊
What’s with the face?!
@@PhoenixPlays669idk maybe it was a typo I’ve done the same thing (I texted a heart emoji to a friend instead of a skull)
He also played Andre from Gen V
Thank you for the part you did on the portrayal of feminism in this show. I really hate it when shows/movies support the narrative that women being able to abuse their power (and doing so) is feminism. To me, feminism is all about ending abusive structures. So yeah, the whole "girl power" idea was kind of ruined by this glorification of abusive women.
The performative activism and wokeness of CAOS and Riverdale are sooo frustrating...
As a feminist, I'm thrilled that the movement has become more mainstream and is reflected on in the media. But if you want to make feminism a part of the deal, you need to do the work too! You can't just throw in some "cool" lines and mottos and then go on to misrepresent the whole concept. Two things I truly despise are the men-hating and the representation of sexuality. Feminism has obviously nothing to do with hating men, it's actually designed to also break stereotypes and misconceptions of manhood. I'm kind of surprised the video didn't also mention the sexualization that goes on. Because there is a thin line between body positivity and sexualizing characters. This happens so much in this show and Riverdale as well. It's mostly camera angels and contexts that don't sit right. Why do the heroines have to perform a spell in their underwear? Why is the camera "checking" out Cheryls whole body when it has nothing to do with the scene? Sorry for the rant, I just get frustrated. Loved the review though! Can't wait for your take on Riverdale :)
I was worry about being name called, so i never said anything about it,, but I also disliked the sexualization. And I wish it was delt with better; same with feminism in the show.
i agree with what yall said and also considering the de facto audience of riverdale seems to be ppl in their early teens I think the sexualization is specially jarring
Exactly!!! 👏🏽
The dissonance of framing! Claiming to be feminist but lingering inappropriately over bodies because the male gaze and sexualization of young girls is actually what's going on and the feminism is a smoke screen.
You dropped this.. 👑
the first time we actually hear lucifer speak he speaks to dorian grey. the oscar wilde character dorian grey. and they dont do something with it. its dorian grey. he made a literal deal with the devil. like if your gonna make a character be dorian grey and then not do anything with that why is he dorian grey. the only time that they referenced that it was dorian grey was like 2 seconds after he dies
Waitwhat
The amount of pain it causes me to hear that this show made fucking DORIAN GREY a boring one-off when he could beat everyone here character wise in two seconds is simply unspeakable. HOW DO YOU JUST NOT DO ANYTHING WITH DORIAN FUCKING GREY? Someone please blow this planet up.
THANK YOU! They make all of these references and do absolutely nothing with them. So much wasted potential.
Who’s Dorian grey? I’ve never heard of that
@@zasherakhan6957 He is the main/title character from the Oscar Wilde novel Picture of Dorian Gray, its really good.
@@august.sunflower so it’s a movie or a show
I feel like a lot of the rules Selina is "breaking and doing anyways" are the writers trying to show two points. 1: the rule isn't real and was said to keep the witches in check by Father Blackwood. 2: To show how much stronger she is because she's next in line for the throne of Hell. I feel like her destiny being the queen of hell is why she has a sort of god complex from the beginning.
The oversexualization of teenagers is what really put me off watching this show, couldn’t finish season 2.
Like... the actors are adults, why can't it be college? Why did they have to pick a high school, or couldn't have Sabrina be turning 18 and the rest of the show be as adults? Oh, because some adult men are creepy as hell? Okay.
That's the main reason why I didn't finish this show I quit during s2 and thank god I did bc the show got worse worse
Yeah in hindsight that was extremely creepy.
Quoting Kennie JD "-A BROODING HOT 25 YEAR-OLD TEENAGER!"
Hollywood has always done this in their movies and shows, like One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, Beverly Hills 90210. That's why they always cast actors in their 20s to play teenagers, partly because of all the sexual things they'd be playing. And I've always found it to be creepy.
This show embodies the saying "don't hate the player, hate the game". They have a good cast that does a great job with what they're given, but they can only do so much to save it
Also, Sabrina and Harvey are important to keep together, because it represents Sabrina's love for humanity despite being a witch. Being with a warlock negates what she represents and makes me realize that nothing in the show is written to mean anything. It's heavy handed with the aesthetic and makes being a witch a mere lifestyle choice, fashion, or sense of style than something it was presented as within the comics.
In the original Sabrina comics, the back and forth of her dating both Harvey and the warlock guy (can’t remember his name) reflected her being part of both the supernatural and mortal world. There was also another mortal guy and a warlock guy that both wanted to be with her and kept messing with Harvey and the warlock she was dating, and she’d have to solve the mess.
they were supposed to end up together at first but the actors of henry and rosealind started dating and coincidentally the characters started dating which roberto is known to do in riverdale. this pretty much ruined the plot and the potential love triangle.
@@nvfury13 Harvey dies in the first volume tho?
@@19Rena96 ….you think that the original Archie Comics Sabrina has Harvey die…
I weep for the brain cells that die every time I have to deal with people this dumb.
I completely agree, the love story between Harvey and Sabrina was essential to the overall story arc, star crossed lovers from different worlds and all of that. It added a level of emotional complexity. When they had Harvey and Roz get together simply because the actors were dating in real life, I lost interest in the show because there is nothing I hate more than show writers catering to the cast and fans instead of staying true to the story. Also whatever the fuck with Roz's storyline and that whole hating witches going blind subplot that got completely dropped, ugh the writing. UGH. This bummed me out again haha.
My issue of the pacing kinda ties into the scene you mentioned with killing the angels, like angels are equivalent in the hierarchy to demons and so I think should be a lot harder to defeat, like maybe she should have stayed dead an episode and we follow her as she comes back to life
Also, going from a 16yo girl who hasn’t decided if she even wants to be a witch to replacing satan in just 2 years irl (idr how long in the show) is just dumb
Most of the storyline should have been extended to nearly double what it was because for me there was not time to even appreciate the weight of any events because it was so fast it felt inconsequential
Deciding to defy the devil should have taken longer, killing angels should be a big deal, defeating anyone with hundreds of years of practice in magic should have been more difficult, replacing Satan should have been the crowning achievement after like 10 years
Which is basically a long winded version of what you so nicely summed up with your Perfect Character Syndrome point
It was 1 fucking year. All this seasons took place in one year. That is probably the most weird idea to make it all happened in just one year...
Sabrina is that Wattpad white furred werewolf girl who's also every single supernatural creature in existence lol
Not to mention Addy from Paranorman. Her character sounds sad but it sounds like something made by Wattpad
Her being the devil's sword is insanely similar to a concept in another fantasy series who are called mortal swords for various gods. The book also has a wild wolfgirl who can communicate with ancient Neanderthal tribes... 😀😀
I'm ashamed to know what you're talking about but they did get boring after a while. Like change it up a bit.
@@Magicalnora oooh which book??
I've only dealt with these kind of OCs in roleplays, didn't occur to me that Wattpad has them too. xD
I think the only reason why anyone would defend any of these characters is strictly because of the people portraying them. They are really carrying the show with their charisma and delivery.
I'd fully agree if it wasnt for hilda, ambrose and theo. I don't remember a single moment where Hilda's reactions and actions weren't appropriate except the catholic baptism thing. Ambroses "immaturity" can very easly be explained by the virtue of him spending half of his life inprisoned, besides that weak critique he's easly the best character in the show. And Theo is literally the only reasonable friend Sabrina had during all seasons, and the only good friend she has from the spectrum of us as the watchers.
I do agree everyone else is carried heavly by how charming the actors are. The casting in this show is fantastic and every actor carried out their roles amazingly. Shame for the very poor and non thought out writing
I love the actress Who portrays Lilith, i ADORE her! I think she did a great job
Funny, I'm only now watching the series and just today I told my son I don't know why I'm torturing myself with this show, but I love the characters. They keep doing the dumbest sht, but I can't stop watching to see what they do next. I truly don't understand myself right now.
I had a similar experience. I refuse to watch what I consider bad TV or movies. But this was different, I think the aesthetic was so well done I could get lost in it despite the writing@@mimib323
Lucifer in season 2: "I'm gonna conquer earth and make everyone my slaves".
Lucifer in season 4: "ladies & gentlemen, i'm the host for this music concert!Let's rockn roll".
Damn..
I LAUGHED REALLY HARD AND CHOCKED ON MY OREO
He really just felt like a joke season four
They basically pulled a Loki on Lucifer. A once threatening villain turned into an absolute joke to appeal to the teenage female gaze.
Are you talking about Lucifer the Show or there is a Lucifer character in Sabrina ?
@@ulisesdemostenes7074 ok but in defence of Lucifer the show, the show is actually pretty amazing.
This show being somehow related to Riverdale explains everything
Imagine a Shrek remake but donkey doesn’t talk
And also in the Riverdale universe
Shrek would enjoy that, at least
Did someone say Mulan.
@@mocagami 😅😅😅ahgaga
@@mocagami Still not over the removal of Shang, the addition of some man killing witch, and the existence of a second daughter, that makes Mulans struggles less important, cause
spoilers for those people.. >_>
her sister gets married, so she brings honor to the family anyway.
edit:I forgot about the cgi Chi power
I really hated the episode in which they make fun of the old sitcom, not only do they half ass it (They should have reconstructed the original sets for the house), but the way they're so mean spirited about the Salem puppet is outright off-putting, the puppet in the sitcom looked fake but the techniques behind it were top notch, not only was the puppet so complex it needed two operators, but they also had five live cats and their trainers for scenes where Salem moved around, so in reality it was a massive effort and to see the reboot be so dismissive of it really irked me, especially when this is really emblematic of the whole thing, because for a 90's show STTW was really visually inventive and they used a ton of different special effects, both digital and practical, and CAOS is just such bare minimum in everything it does and it cuts corners everywhere so no, they don't get to make fun of the 90s version.
@Muscle Man No, the puppet was another random thing that was opposite to the villain.
Also, my point has nothing to do with the script of the show, I just hated how shoddily they recreated the 90s show while mocking it, if you really want to act superior then show us you can do sonething at least on par.
every movie and show now:
"the old must die"
That's what directors and writers do these days for reboots. They don't think their own creation can stand on its own so they tear down and insult what came before to make themselves look better. There are so many examples: Disney Star Wars, Masters of the Universe Revelation, Thundercats Roar, Nu Trek, Dr. Who...
@@cyberwolf_1013 NO. this is orders from above. you think ALL the writers and directors had the same idea "kill the old" ?
@@uncletimo6059 Oh, studios greenlight it for sure, but they don't make the creative decision. That's all on writers, directors, and the creative team. Studios aren't gonna micromanage every project. For tv shows, they have showrunners to keep things in line between episodes and give the larger direction.
The whole Aunt Zelda not allowing men during childbirth its a thing that Midwives used to do very late into the 1950’s. Aunt Zelda is, even though she doesn’t look like it, a very old school character so, even though I don’t agree with it, her, in a position of being an old midwife who follows old traditions, it makes sense for her not to allow a man in a room where a woman is giving birth.
And of course murdering someone and stealing a baby is way easier if you're not being watched
No one would care if this was an isolated instance, but because it isn't, people are just more likely to complain, even though, as you said, this is the one time when the character's behavior makes sense.
I agree it made sense, but I think it accidentally made sense
She gets more progressive later on. Lol
I thought she kicked him Out so He does Not find Out about the daughter
"Woman a being strong and empowered woman as long as they are kneeling down at mens feet but while they do it they are mega attractive as frick, hot bad bi***es with heavy make up like black smokey eyes and red lipstick while wearing black leather and black high heels"
- The Producer's Feminism
I actually like that Harvey is boring because Sabrina's life is already so action-packed and why it makes it more sense that Sabrina loves him because of that. He grounds her and won't let her forget her mortal side. But the writers ruined him in favor of Nick...
Never liked Nick and I always rooted for Harvey
@@ianpitzerds They gave all that to Nick because all the girls were simping for him. It didn't matter that Harvey is the canon boyfriend all they want is bad boy sexy Nick! I felt so bad for Harvey and RAS destroyed him in favor for his own created boy toy!
@@equinoxXIII yeah, honestly most writers tend to fall for the cliches instead of writing better characterization because they believe the fans just watch the show for these obvious tropes, even when it doesn't really make sense to the main character to choose the supposed bad boy. My biggest pet peeve of all is when the writers go out of their way to ruin a good character just because they want their main to end up with the bad boy. Like, they always choose the lazy route, they don't keep everyone well-written and nice and their reasons and actions plausible because it might cause backlash if the main character chooses the bad boy if the good boy is still nice and cool, so they destroy the good guy in order to make the bad boy more appealing and like the obvious/only choice, even when the way they start writing the good boy completely goes against everything that has been established about them so far
@@ianpitzerdsyeah I'd really love to see more media where people end up with the good choice instead of the super toxic person they're choosing to blindly see the best in.
Especially as I've gotten older, found my person and got married, I find myself rooting for boring normal, grounded love interest because I remember how stressful being with Broken Bad boy/girl was.
Yeah, I liked Harvey and I couldn't stand Nick. And I dont get why the writers chose Nick over Harvey. Nick didn't really know who Sabrina is because he loves the idea of her and Harvey knew her. Also... im not a fan of the Roz/Harvey romance. It felt forced and really fake and the worst part is that those two had no chemistry despite the fact that they're dating (at least during the show) also it's kind of messed up if you think about it because Roz knew that Sabrina had a long relationship with him. She knows that talk about Harvey it's awkward for her and yet she still starts dating him without telling her and then Roz expects Sabrina to be okay with it just because???
Roz is a terrible friend now i think about it. And something that i don't understand is: according to the prophecy Roz is supposed to lose her eyesight but she will obtain the gift and on season 2 she has the gift and she still can see.
Chilling Adventures of Sabrina would have been perfect if they'd kept it more small scale.
Focus in on the idea of witches as relatively small-fry in a bigger, scarier supernatural world.
Adding in the Devil and other celestial beings just weakened the stakes; I couldn't get invested in the idea that the fate of the world revolved around one small town.
More of the antagonists should have been on the same scale as the druids, or the sleep demon - street-level enemies that still imply a great deal about what the wider world is like.
The Devil existing in the story is fine, but having witches be explicitly satanic and making Sabrina his daughter locked the show into a death spiral of escalating power it couldn't escape from.
Agreed. This can be a problem with many stories. When you put "the fate of the world" into a story, readers and watchers often become detached since its hard to relate to the whole planet. The fate of the town, or the fate of your friends or family is a much easier and better story line. Or just have a show about a family of whiches struggling through the world with supernatural nonsense of the week on top. That would've been great.
the devil in the first season: creepy crazy goat, mad powerul and cool
the devil in the last season: spoiled baby boy who is also totally underwhelming
I hated the fact that Sabrina Morningstar just gave up and submitted to his desires and even BONDED with him as a "dad". Didn't he kill her parents, traumatize and abuse her and torment her whole family? Seriously what even is this show's writing with the villains.
yep they took all his power away he became noting
Sounds like the beginning and end of a first date. *snickers* Love it and so true!
Ambrose was my favorite ever. I loved his tragic story line and enjoyed him and Sabrinas relationship. I watched after season 3 because of him. I wasnt invested in the crazy story line much. Like as soon as the hob goblin showed up i was checking out lol
ONE HOUR OF THIS SHOW THAT IVE BEEN WANTING MORE PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT IT. FINALLY
I CAN RELATE
yess same
Angel dust òuó
yes exactly. people stopped talking about it after season 2 so when I watched the last 2, I didn't have anyone to share my frustration with. I watched season 4 hoping it would be better that season 3 since season 3 was pretty much all about orgies but it sucked too. Last 2 seasons made me want to jump off a cliff (Nick kills himself? wtf was that all about? seriously worst ending ever). I remember how this show used to be my favourite in like 2018.
“Imagine if Deadpool was a cat, that’s Salem” I can’t 😂 that was the most accurate description of Salem I’ve EVER heard 💀
Yeah I can fully picture Ryan Reynolds as Salem because of that picture lol
@@Katieeeee12345 CAOS Salem is Deadpool in X-Men Origins
The funny thing about his “feminist” female characters is that they genuinely spend so much time talking about men and it’s insane
He literally told on himself on how he views feminism.
Couldn't even pass the Bechdel test. The lowest damn bar.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 So true!
Bad feminism is still centered around men
Srsl I was like... This is literally a bunch of women fighting over the Dark Lord's dick for at least 2 seasons.
Totally spot on about most of this, but regarding Zelda kicking Blackwood out of his kid's birth - didn't she do that on purpose so that she could lie to him about the babies?
Personally, I would have rather had Satan as a looming, mysterious figure for the entire show than that weird father daughter subplot thing that happened. Honestly, he got more development than Nick
I definitely agree with this
The trailers were so iconic like even the less horror-themed ones were still cool as shit, and they all had me clinging on to the idea that Sabrina would embrace her evil side. Like even in the comics she's not averse to evil things, she knows her aunts are cannibals, she uses magic to make Harvey like her, and she even writes her name in the book of the beast, but doesn't actually get to sign it. All of the first season should have been a build-up to her sixteenth birthday, that way we could have had more time to explore her relationships with her friends and Harvey and see some reasons why she wouldn't want to leave it behind, but also some of the reasons why she wouldn't want to stop being a witch.
When the first season came out the trailer was good that I made my friends all watch it and we decided we would watch the show together. We didn't watch it together back then, thank god, they would have blamed me for picking it when it went to shit in season 3 lol.
Exactly the trailers eas so iconic ad epic.
her aunts are WHAT
@@daimhinaubrey3194 yeah babes, they mention it in the first season with the long pig comment, but in the comics they are full canibals, hence why they chose to run a mortuary and live opposite a grave yard
@@lityne5577 MATE I-
the world will never be the same again oml
i wanna read the comics now 😭😭😭
“Entire ensemble breaks into hell to save one girl’s boyfriend”
Once Upon a Time called. They want their season back.
So does the Shinigami arc of bleach
@@aikikaname6508 Soul Society or Hueco Mundo ?
@@asimovvomisa4040 Yes
@@hugoalejandro4360 and don't forget the fourth movie too 🤣
ight i love the show but this was a good one indeed
I really wish they would have gone back and explored Sabrina as an actual teenager at Baxter High and being presented with scenarios where she could be a crime-fighting witch with her HS friends which is how I interpret the title "The chilling Adventures of Sabrina." I really feel like they started going off the deep end and season 3 but I still feel like the show could come back with a fresh start going back to Baxter High
I hated how they talked about the devil as an almighty being, but then was taken down so easily and lacked power.
s1 devil: everybody serves him, almighty and scary being
s4: normal annoying dad
That might have been the point.
@@orlock20 "might" that's the problem, we don't know. Was it the point or just shitty writting ? Who knows
@@gamefan987 The man behind the curtain being weak has been used before so that's possible for an unimaginative writer.
No doubt the angles were stronger than the devil I don't think we ever saw him be like evil or do any strong magic?
"Imagine if Deadpool was a cat. That's Salem" THAT IS SO ACCURATE
It was spot on.
Considering there's a Deadpool without a mouth, Salem is not completely off either...
I'll see myself out.
ABSOLUTELY THIS
Me before watching this video: "Who's Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa?"
Me after watching this video: "I hate Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa."
Me before watching this video: "Wait, I remember Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa..."
Me after watching this video: "GODDAMN IT, *AGUIRRE-SACASA."*
This show is a case study of "a perfect recipe going awry in the oven." The story potential, the amazing casting, the budget... not to mention it had the overwhelming support of the public and a pre-existing cult following of two fandoms (something I don't know that I've ever witnessed before, normally reboots, re-tellings, and remakes are met with such scrutiny and immediate criticisms). It is truly incredible that they were able to bork this so hard.
Just imagine: Lucifer being the guy that values free will above all things, and Sabrina being destined to be his Sword. Just the clash of prophecy and free will would have allowed for amazing dialogue. But they ruined it.
Everytime he talks, I want to punch a hole in a wall like please never open your mouth again. All the things he say is cringy or annoying or both. Also why does the actor talk like he just got his wisdom tooth pulled out?
I also hate how he went from a supposedly higher that was above everyone and always planned ahead to basically being like a very horny and sarcastic 40 year old that can be defeated easily by half of the people in the show
À Lucifer obsessed with Free Will would have been fascinating to watch. I’d love to hear him bragging about giving Eve the apple and granting free will to humanity. Being mad at God for wanting to control humanity with His doctrine and giving witches power and immortality just to fuck with gods plan is exactly what a rebellious angel would do.
The conflict of having witches promise themselves to Satan, when Satan hates confining free will could make great content around the prophecies around Sabrina and the destiny she’s trying to defy
I hate Lucifer, he boring and awful
*w a s t e d p o t e n t i a l*
That 'woke capitalism' trend is really annoying. The writers seem to think it is enough to just throw a bunch of trendy words without bringing any substance because they do not care about uplifting women or other disadvantaged groups, they care about profit, and feminism sells like hot cakes. As for the image of the 'empowered' woman, it seems, that the writer is, at his core, extremely sexist and chauvinistic since he didn't even bother to look into the basic ideas of feminism. He most likely deems traditionally feminine traits as intrinsically inferior to masculine ones, which would explain why being 'empowered' in the show means to be a ruthless mean bitch just like the stereotypical wolf of wall street. I would argue that, ironically, quiet and insecure Hilda is a much better illustration of the feminist narrative and what women have to deal with in reality: all her life she has been told what to do, been bullied and manipulated, yet, she managed to find the strength to stay positive and caring of people around her, and, gradually learn to stand her ground. I think this is why she is your favorite character of all - the writers unintentionally managed to deliver an actually relevant empowerment story.
Also, that story about Theo's transition and the fact that it only came out this way because the actor had to ask for more time is just hilarious. Everything you need to know about 'progressive' shows.
Wow, that's a very nice and insightful comment. Thank you!
Hells YES!! Underrated comment right here. Thank you @Rosie! 🙌🙌
Wait is that true about Theo? I just thought the actor was trans themselves and the writers wanted to (for the lack of a better term) accomodate him? If that’s true that’s kinda fucked.
Actor - “Oh I want more to do”
Writers - “You can now be trans so we get woke poin… I mean for diversity and inclusion and a greater involvement from you”
@@tripledigit4835 To be honest, I do not know for sure but I also do not see any reasons not to believe the author of the video. And, yes, that's fucked up as hell. On the bright side, it also starkly illustrates how much storytelling can benefit when it encompasses the perspectives of minority groups.
Well stated...Hilda is summed up with this quote: "Don't mistake my kindness for weakness." Out of all the characters, she really expresses love to Sabrina in such a healthy manner.
As far as Theo goes, I feel like the character needed better development. There wasn't enough foundation as to why he was going to transition. Besides that, what happened to the ghost aunt???? Is she a ghost? She just disappeared.
I feel Ambrose was meant to fill the part of Salem talking. He's sarcastic, over the top, and instead of being a cat for his crimes he's stuck in the property. I don't know why they didn't have Salem be the same talking cat who could also give information to Sabrina like Ambrose does, I love Ambrose but I love Salem more
@@ydiafol-1 90s show had a puppet doing all the talking. Unless Kiernan is allergic to the concept of the cat itself, they could've used it again.
@@ydiafol-1 I'm allergic to cats as well but I just need to take no sleepy allergy meds and I'm fine, and I'm pretty allergic. I'm not demanding she do so for the sake of the show, but there are ways around it
@@ydiafol-1 that would explain the lack of scenes with both Sabrina and Salem in it (particularly in the same frame) but doesn't nearly explain how they shafted his character altogether. Not the actress' fault at all -- I get it, but other than that it's a waste, really. I mean Brie Larson turned out to be allergic during the filming of Captain Marvel but they still utilized Goose a lot -- granted, they have that typical MCU budget, but still.
They could have simply used a different form for Salem post allergic reaction(its not like they cared much about the canon of the source material anyway and there are other iconic witch familiars besides black cats).
I would agree they simply didnt bother because Ambrose pretty much filled the advisor spot anyway and they had no idea what to do with Salem after giving his job to someone filling the quota.
Cat CGI is very complex and very-very expensive.
Like doubling this show budget expensive.
And old "replace him with a hand-toy when he's talking" wouldn't work in horror
40:08 it's so good to hear you say you love aunt Hilda! as the actress is British actress, Lucy Davis and she's amazing! She's in Shaun Of The Dead and the uk The Office and she is so hilarious and endearing in both!
I can't get over the fact that Lucifer, the actual devil, took his time from all hell business and hosted a high school music battle party🤭
He goes from main villain to dotting father and teen band enthusiast
Is just really surprising how non threatening he becomes. He gushes over Caliban's abs. Zelda points out the devil lies a lot less than Sabrina. He is shitty to Lilith and then loving and then shitty again. After being this menace he is just...there. Chilling.
I could talk for so long about the characterization of a strong woman in this show. There was that moment in that dream sequence episode where you find out Zelda’s nightmare was losing Hilda. And it was actually interesting to me thinking it might have an impact on her character and she might have an arc where she comes out of it actually stronger but nope their version of a strong woman is just having power with very little motivation. It has such girlboss energy.
HOLY SHIT. THAT WOULD HAVE MADE FOR QUALITY CONTENT
From what I’ve seen of the show “Girlboss Energy” sums it up perfectly
Ambrose is basically the replacement of Salem:
Sarcastic ✔
Witty ✔
All knowing ✔
Very pretty ✔
Punished for an illegal act ✔
Exactly!! Salem was just there so there'd be a cat, but in reality Ambrose is literally everything original Salem was, except a cat 🤦♀️
Almost like they needed a token hire to check all the boxes for social justice. At the cost of a black character…. Ironic.
For some time my boyfriend had thought that Ambrose is Salem's human form and was very confused at some points in the show before I told him x'd
But I liked that reading. It's a shame it's not like that.
i think they cut the budget that way, lots of less money spent in cgi making custom talking cat look good
@@henrikaugustsson4041 I have been saying this for a while. Society dogs every little thing these days, but when writers come up with "woke" characters all we get are shallow shells. It's been so harmful that we have people believe that "white people" really are evil & "men" really are all just selfish pigs.
Is that really a healthy way to view life. So in turn we get characters who embody these thoughts. This writer wasn't out of touch by the way. This is reality right now.
LOVED the scene of the witches performing the exorcism! It was so badass girl power all that good stuff but not long after that it becomes clear that theres nothing she cant do and without even breaking much of a sweat. I got bored fast. Its like every episode something devastating and extreme comes up and then by the end of the episode Sabrina saves the day, adjusts her headband and then goes to school. Lame.