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- How I’d Change Scarlet Witch in Multiverse of Madness || After WandaVision did such a great job at gaining a fanbase of gay men -- and just members of the lgbt community in general -- the use of Wanda Maximoff and her newly accepted role as the Scarlet Witch in “Doctor Strange: In the Multiverse of Madness” left much to be desired. And that’s mostly because Scarlet Witch’s role in Multiverse of Madness was as its main villain, despite the development she made in WandaVision. So I decided to rework Scarlet Witch’s role so that the reasons why we love WandaVision make it into the movie, while also bringing more lore from both her and Doctor Strange’s comic book mythos into the MCU.
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I don't know, guys; I don't think I made it clear enough that I REALLY care about magic in superhero comics/movies...🤔
You nearly went feral there for a second at the end, bruv.
I'm not a monster. I'm a magic lover
A magic monster lover ?
And it would have been a positive suproise if ther would be a dark wanda for wanda to fight somehow to challenge and show he learned from wandavision. You can have here in a multiverse as villain and antihero. And shopuld have been the protagonist and america as foil, and strange, its not hos ovie,ghe is good here, but only as mentor.
Ok she should hav een an antihero, not the main villain, if antagonist. An make it wandas movie, not stranges, or americas,aericas and wandas.
An why is there are nowished to get to vision and pedro too ?!
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IM FUCKING STARVING
oh wow this gentleman appears rather irked
@@Readus101 Can you draw analysis from Candace Owens to Reva from Star Wars' Kenobi show?
They sent Wanda to the Daenerys Targaryen school of uncharacteristic heel-turns.
Dang true
Somewhere Jean Grey in X3 is saying "told you so"
@@gonesnake2337 I was gonna say that school should be named after her
And what's worse about both is they could've worked
I said exactly the same!! So true :( it's a shame. Both had a great character arc and then just kinda rushed the ending 😔
If people hadn't even seen Wanda Vision, imagine how sudden the heel-turn for her character was (and boys, WHAT BOYS??). While I like your use of Cthon in preparing and manipulating Wanda as his vessel, it does play too much into the trope of, "it was all mind-control in the end," which would rob the character of her autonomy and willingness to explore the darker aspects of her powers. Still, I would prefer mind-control over toxic motherhood tropes any day of the week. WhatIf explored Strange abusing his powers and breaking the universe in his quest for love (Christine) and Wanda abused an entire town in order to build a life with Vision before realizing her mistake. Now Strange suddenly gets multiple buddy team ups with younger children (Spiderman and his crew & America), while Wanda gets stuck with a 'randomly going evil for her children' plot? Ugh.
I think he was going for mind influence rather than mind control. And it can be done right if the film makes a point to let viewers know several times throughout itself that this what the character wants but they're also being pushed to the next level to achieve that want.
Bruh, even seeing Wanda Vision, it was pretty sudden
It’s more like someone whispering in your ear telling you “you can get everything you’ve always wanted and be happy but no one can be in your way just work with me. Look how easy it is, just steal them from another Wanda who is not as strong as you or has been through hell like you”
@Robb Lab YESSSS!!!! I mean I love ALL THAT Olsen's bringing to life of The Scarlet Witch / Wanda Maximoff, and no one will top her *being born for this* performances packed with emotions*; however, we gotta keep in mind they CUT OVER 30 minutes of the original movie!!!! Basically I loved it having followed Marvel comics, animated series, and now big **& little** screens so having the growth process unfold right before my eyes....it only all makes sense to me perfectly.
But for newb fans, I see how they would get lost also!!! This is where *SCE courses/credits* come into play... it's typically just CE courses/credits* for most folks and quite simply put....less time on social media apps and time *researching history & truths of character lines* to fully understand....which is where people need to be *continual-ly improving self education courses* which is in everyday life aspects....VITAL to this day & moving forward ESPECIALLY!!!! But, we can't MAKE someone research things. That's on them. Same said with ANYTHING....to learn hidden or untaught truths related to history classes, facts, evidence, truths about happenings in histories that people of today don't know about except maybe thru others transmitting facts after these own researching.....that's related to belief systems, various cultures, across all lands, the true origins of where said belief systems started, etc.
@@FaithOriginalisme Yeah, because they gave us nothing to understand the sudden turn. How did she know of America and her powers? How did she get control of the beings that could pursue America as she traveled? How did the alternate Strange get involved? Those are factors that never came up so we went from a mourning woman trying to cope to a psycho mom ready to kill anything in her way
Wanda’s turn in MoM feels so out of left field not only character wise, but just like in the larger sense of the franchise. Wandavision clearly establishes her as a flawed person beginning to heal, but oh no she read the bad book and now she’s EEEEEEVILLLLLL. Idk, just feel like they did her soooooo dirty (even if her fight scenes were badass).
She's not EEEEVILLLLLL, she just wants her kids and the power to never lose them again. I don't get how this isn't obvious. She doesn't try to escalate, she says what she wants and then people get in her way. She tries to negotiate, she only walks through people when they refuse to let her be.
@@haroldsandahl6408 Her motivation is to suck the life out of a child as she dream walks to other realities, which causes those realities to collapse in on each other and get wiped from existence.
@@haroldsandahl6408 though how much blood she steped on wasn't justitfied I know she is a complex character but I think the creators aren't sure how far they want to go with it, to some she went too far to actually redeem herself
@@haroldsandahl6408 except she was tying to negotiate killing a kid and going to a universe where she would replace Billy and Tommy’s actual mother. That’s fucked up and is non negotiable for any superhero
To be fair, it was established that the Darkhold negatively influenced everyone who read it, and Wanda was seen reading it at the end of WV. I personally thought Wanda felt bad for what she did, but she didn't regret bringing Vision back and creating Billy and Tommy.
I also want to repeat something Princess Weekes said in her review, why isn't Wanda looking for Vision? She knows White Vision is out there. Vis gets two brief name drops and that's it.
That is…a very good question. Maybe she doesn’t want to get her hopes up there?
The biggest thing to me is that she doesn't even try to find a universe with Vision and Pietro. Like, there are infinite universes, there's definitely some where both of them are alive.
@@Sephajinami Then I wish this movie actually explored that trauma. Her kids aren't used to give Wanda more depth, the film doesn't explore the turmoil that drives her. Instead she's a Disney villain from the first minutes we see her, and she never expresses anything beyond her single-minded endeavor to get her children back. Beyond a few throw away lines her past grief is completely glossed over, and the audience is never able to truly connect with the sadness that's driven her so far as to murder innocents. The movie wastes its time on cameos and pointless action scenes and then neglects to give proper focus to its characters.
I had the same issue. However, I can think of a reason. She lost her original lover twice, then tried to make a copy of him who wasn't real and had to let him go to save the town, then she saw her lover had been rebuilt as a soulless killing machine. I think she's had enough of getting her hopes up and then losing Vision over and over again, and doesn't wanna put her heart at risk anymore, so she's given up on trying to find him and get him back. I still hope they're endgame, however; I think it'll now be up to Vision to be the pursuer. Now that he remembers, perhaps he is currently searching for her, or will search in the future. He may be the key to her salvation if she's still buried under the mountain; we don't know if she is or if she teleported away.
actually I think it's the other way around, white vision got his memories back but decides to not confide with wanda, wanda may have assumed the hex vision defeated him because after that first encounter that's it the two visions leave wanda and only the hex one goes back to wanda with no explanation given to her
For me, the movie's writing had two *major* issues:
1. This was set up and marketed as The Big Phase 4 Multiverse Film™️, and yet basically every universe shown (except for like 1-second clips in a single montage) were just "basically the same as Earth 616, but if Strange did something different one time". Multiverse stories offer so many opportunities to explore the edges of reality, and they just... didn't.
2. Wanda was written *so poorly.* She is an intelligent and, frankly, all-powerful person, and her time in Westview taught her the importance of empathy when you're a god. So while she certainly wanted to get Billy and Tommy back, her plan of "I'll just possess another version of me and kidnap some other kids" was... short-sighted at best, really fucking dumb at worst. And she's not dumb. In fact, there's even a scene in the movie, in Kamar-Taj, when Stephen *says this to her,* urging her to consider what she would do once the kids inevitably realize she's not their mother; she starts to think about it, but before she can actually reconsider her dumb-ass plan, Strange attacks her -- at a moment when she had *stopped attacking him* anyway -- and pisses her off, continuing the fight and distracting her from, you know, rational thought.
Wanda deserved so much better than she was given in the movie, and honestly I'm kind of frustrated that with the MCU's budget and world-renowned staff, *this* is the best story for her they could have come up with.
As for how I would personally fix that, I think the answer is obvious: don't make Wanda an explicit villain, make her an accidental threat to the multiverse instead. Rather than possessing a woman to steal her kids, maybe Wanda is physically traveling through the multiverse to spy on her kids in different realities, to spend time with them from afar while seeing all the ways they could grow up. But Strange realizes that, unbeknownst to Wanda, her travels across the universes are weakening the borders between them, leading to elements of each universe "bleeding through" to the others, including into Earth 616. Strange tries to convince Wanda to stop, but between her grief-driven need to watch her kids grow up, and her belief that she's strong enough to "hold back" the oncoming flood of universes, she keeps verse-jumping, until she's not strong enough to keep it at bay, and the veil between universes completely collapses, unleashing chaos and entropy across the multiverse. Act 3 has Wanda joining forces with Strange to try and "put the multiversal genie back in the bottle" and reseal the barriers between universes before more people die, while she finally processes her grief enough to give up on seeing her kids again. Perhaps we get some closure when, as they're putting the final bits of multiverse spillage back into place before the final seal, Wanda meets a version of Tommy and Billy, a bit older, who recount all the ways their Wanda raised them, reminding our Wanda that even if she's not there, her kids will be okay because *some version* of her always will be. End credits.
...that's just off the top of my head. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I think it would have been miles better than the mediocrity we got for her in Multiverse of Madness.
I liked your little ammendment of the story. It's q bit unique and it seems like it has a bit more potential to showcase infinite multiverse possibilities than the movie had. I will say that MCU specializes in entertaining stories, not smart stories
@@kbreezy1581 Yet there's no reason those two should be mutually exclusive. Exhibit A: Everything Everywhere All At Once, both juvenile and silly and entertaining, but also profound and deep and smart on multiple levels. Both can be done at the same time :)
I like that. I also think that Wanda can make a truly terrifying villain. They just did it too quickly. It should have been slow and steady, making her more and more threatening without us realizing what is happening throughout Phase 4. MoM using her as an accidental villain is brilliant because it shows the audience her potential as an antagonist, but also that she has time to go back and think things through, only for her to either become so enthralled by the Darkhold that she can't look away anymore, or she and Chthon have essentially become one.
We know she can destroy an Infinity Stone without the use of a gauntlet. We know how powerful she is. And we also know she is easily driven by anger. She is both reckless and calculating.
I'm not saying she should have been the next big villain for another Avengers movie as I personally thing that 4 was enough. But I do think they should have taken more time to develop her as a villain to the point that more than one superhero (and the correct ones, not just the most popular ones) may be needed to stop her. She deserved a much better ending than what she got.
That’s a fucking amazing idea!!!!!
I agree with mostly everything except the part where you claim Strange distracted her from rational thinking? I’m curious as to what scene you’re specifically referring to as the scene im assuming you mean is where he asks her explicitly “what happens to their mother”, he attacks her after she smirks in response to his question. Granted, it wasn’t an immediate smirk, she did shudder and seem to ponder about it, but then she slightly smiles as if that’s not a factor she cares about.
To add on, i also like to think her intentions were darker than just possessing. I am almost certainly she intended on killing 838 Wanda or whatever universe she settled on to fulfill her goal, which is unnerving and disappointing for her character.
I really liked the movie (Wanda stuff aside obviously) because the colors, action, and pacing were amazing, thanks Raimi.
I like your idea to fix it, but if you wanted to avoid Chthon it would have been so easy to have the “evil” Wanda be a Wanda from another universe. Maybe she is suffering the same traumas as our Wanda but Westview never happened in her universe or she didn’t learn the lesson from it.
She could be dream walking into our Wanda and 838 Wanda. Maybe our Wanda is even teaming up with the team to protect 838 Tommy and Billy, maybe that’s why she was trying to get to 838 in particular, maybe theirs are the voices she heard. You could have everything that happened in the movie stay the same but without destroying the growth our Wanda had in WandaVision.
Oh wow, that's a very neat way to approach it!
This is my personal favorate MOM fix! However, what if WandaVision does happen in "evil" Wanda's universe, but instead of dropping the Hex and releasing the people of Westveiw she expands it. The rationilizing she would have to do in order to continue torturing the people trapped inside the Hex is what turns her into a monster who is willing to do whatever's necessary to keep her perfect life and happy family.
The pacing was kinda trash, that's putting it lightly. I'm surprised anyone liked the pacing. I'm glad there are people who are positive still but my experience with the movie left me feeling very disappointed and there's no fix besides a complete overhaul. The characters can remain the same but the plot and everything surrounding that needed restructuring.
@@mikaylaeager7942 And then when something ultimately went wrong on her world, she decided to dream walk into a Wanda who had suffered as well and would have the drive to get her kids. The trauma 616 went through would make her mind an easy target to use to target other Wandas!
I love that
In Universe, the Avengers seem like terrible friends. Like did no one reach out or check in on each other after all of the stuff involving Thanos? Like why did Hawkeye or Anthony Mackie reach out to someone who is supposed to be their friend and teammate. I know it's because of contracts and all that, but there are a lot of little things in Phase 4 that just big me and they are starting to pile up.
It's almost like no one working on these movies communicates with each other to make sure things are consistent and transition smoothly from one project to the next.
Sounds like the MCU is suffering from the Arrowverse-itis.
They're cops, not heroes.
@@nalday2534 unfortunately, yes
*bug
I've had this same question for so long
Watching Multiverse of Madness for the first time was a real “there are two wolves inside you” situation for me. I love WandaVision and have quite a few issues with the way Wanda was written in this movie. On the other hand when she said “ruuuuuunnnn” my bi ass was like 🥵🥵😍😍😍🌈🌈🌈 and 2:09 was literally my reaction to “What mouth?” 😂 After a few more viewings I’ve come to a place where I can just enjoy MOM for what it is.
As a fellow Bi, the shivers that went down my spin when Wanda said “Run.” I think about it often
I'm honestly glad I didn't watch all of WandaVision at this point (just wasn't my cup of tea) because having only seen about an episode and a half, the way she's portrayed in MOM makes enough sense to get by, and then I only have to worry about drooling over her saying "run"
Really? That was the cringiest part for me. So cheesy
I honestly just find Marvel’s portrayal of c-ptsd to be very harmful in this case. I really connected with Wanda in WandaVision. This pain leading to desperation to the point that you give into your own delusions reminded me a lot of how my own trauma has manifested. I appreciate how the series acknowledged the pain she may have caused the people around her while also acknowledging that her actions were influenced by aspects out of things out of her control. That her pain, her trauma and her emotions don’t make her a monster. But it felt like this film almost implied that this is just innately just who she is. Forever living in this pain and never having the ability to learn or grow from any of it. That her trauma is what motivates her to act like a monster. The idea of this being her destiny strips away any autonomy and growth of a character that Wanda ever had. And that really broke my heart to see.
I came into MoM with the idea that we were going to get a complex nuanced villain in Wanda: a morally grey, very broken character, who had been on her last leg for a while (or perhaps she never was on good standing to begin with ). i thought we were going to actually witness her descent into villinany and descent into madness.
What we ended up getting was this very generic " the book was contoirlling her all along".
The end of WandaVison, where Wanda felt remorse and regret for what she did to the people of Westview and that aspect of her character was abesent for the entire runtime of MoM and that is the big issue .
Wanda deserves a solo movie or even an avengers film. MoM should have been team up movie that was dedicated to exploring magic and the multiverse in the mcu.
Honestly, that would be suggestion. Rather than making the second Dr Strange movie a horror movie and with Wanda, it would have been "interesting" to see a a light-hearted movie exploring the multiverse and magic.
Maybe we still see America landing on MCU universe, but instead of running from Wanda, maybe we have an "evil" government like the Illumaniti chasing her. Or something
Then wanda could be introduced at the end as the next villain or something or just have her own movie.
She's been controlled before...
Sam Raimi has already admitted in a Rolling Stone interview that he's never seen all of Wandavision, just a few clips from the show.
How did he even get the job?!?!
Well, to be fair, DS2 started filming two months before WandaVision even started airing. So by the time Sam Raimi would have potentially had the opportunity to watch WandaVision, he would've likely already filmed a decent amount of Wanda's scenes, so for him to to watch the show couldn't really change that much about how he portrayed Wanda. I mean, I guess it's possible that he could've asked to see the show before it was officially released, but I doubt the Disney would just give him the entire show. At most they would've given him a few clips, and he said that he watched a few clips, so I would guess that's what happened.
@@Danawinter26
thats not how a major billion dollar corporation works.
As much as Disney sucks at the moment, for a film to have a greater chance at succeeding you as a company must give it all that you can to make it successful.
A lot of films have reshoots and been edited so that the vision of the director would get realized. He had absolutely no excuse to just wing it.
Also scripts exist!
Wanda's character in this movie felt a bit... misogynistic? It felt like they waved away her character reversal with a hysteria excuse, which while believable in the movie on its own, feels really sudden given the rest of her appearances. I think this would have side stepped that issue, even though it's still uncomfortably in line with evil women tropes. It also needed more down time, because holy shit did this movie not let up; looked amazing, the script fell short.
I did feel that the motivation was just really weak, and very much overdone. We're meant to believe that Wanda is so weak that a bit of loss would make her go fully genocidal? Nah breh, I would have a hard time believing that of anyone.
@@Jane-oz7pp a little loss though...she lost her parents, brother, lover , and children
Definitely i am tired of seeing the women are crazy because motherhood trope
@@Jane-oz7pp that’s fair but wand’s actions in movie also aren’t far off from the comics so I think it wouldn’t be entirely fair if we don’t think about all sides. But I do agree the whole female is a villain because of children is getting old
@@robertgrimsley7363 I didn't say little, I said a bit. People go through that level of loss every day man, most of them don't turn into genocidal, demon loving kidnappers.
the thing is, there should be a movie between ds2 MoM and WandaVision for the script to work that way. People know about the post credit scene but never showed the full sinister nature of the Darkhold or Wanda crippling into the Scarlet Witch they portrayed in MoM. I love your alterations and insertion of Chthon and the separation with forced astral projection, it's very creative and would've been amazing to watch and would show that while the Scarlet Witch overpowers the sorcerer supreme, Strange still has more tricks up his sleeve. Wanda's astral soul leaving her body and seeing her body still move and even transform into the creature that killed Professor X in their mind fight would have been EVERYTHING. Instead of Dr. Strange alone using the eye alone to seal Chthon though, I would've loved if Wanda absorbs Chthon like the Darkhold Omega comic and sealing him inside her (like raven does with trigon on her forehead lol) then in House of Harkness they end up learning the location of the true Darkhold and Wanda using it to permanently absorb Chthon's dominion over Chaos Magic.
I still have hope though, with her definitely still in the picture I can see a proper redemption arc and with Clea and Agatha in the picture with the incursions, a magic illuminati justice league dark type of team would be THEE team. I just imagine an alliance with Dr Strange, Wanda, Clea and Agatha post secret wars fighting a magic Galactus with the Dormammu herald like that one Dr Strange comic.
Petition for Marvel to hire this man as a writer
We need a lot more individuals that not only respects these characters as they are, but understands the extensive comic lore behind them in higher positions at Marvel.
This video was actually was a breath of fresh air!
I think it's easier to tweak a story than to write one from scratch but yes his rewrite was fantastic
Why did Strange not care about Westview?
Why did Strange not ask any questions about Captain Marvel? He knows Carol.
He hardly knows Carol they just both happened to be on the same battlefield against Thanos.
I don’t even think they have even spoken to each other on screen
Carol isn't on Earth, which is a problem all its own. Considering that her best friend was dying from cancer and then lost her daughter in the Snap, I really hope that The Marvels explains why she never bothered to return for even 5 minutes before Endgame. Monica clearly resents her for it.
@@12classics39 We don’t know how much Carol has visited earth after her movie.
I imagine that Carol is quite busy given she is fighting all over the entire Galaxy rather than on one planet.
it might’ve been years since she’s ever even spoken to Maria.
"What mouth b!tch?" I busted out laughing right with you!!!!
But for real, I do love "Multiverse of Madness" for every reason but the flimsy story lol. It's so well acted, well directed and visually compelling. But the plot? Needed to be workshopped a bit. Call it style over substance if you must. I love your suggestions especially the Wanda x Chthon point. I honestly think Wanda needed a bigger arc, I really wanted to see how the Darkhold corrupted her. We go from seeing her browsing it at the end of WandaVision to being a full blown villain in MoM; it was all just too sudden.
I have 10 voice recordings laying out my rewrite for this movie, and your review pretty much lines up with it - And you know damn well that if they went with a Darkhold possessed Wanda, Raimi would have loved to give us a demonic looking wanda vs zombie strange and we all would have loved him more for it
I get that doing the manipulation route would have been too similar to Shang-Chi, but it worked so well for Shang-Chi that I wouldn't have minded it. It would have made her WandaVision end credits scene make more sense too of she was being manipulated to believe that the kids were in real danger and needed her specifically for at least a fraction of the movie.
Yes!!!!!! This is exactly how I felt about this! Like the disservice being done to wands and strange is crazy, there were some positive steps happening, but at the same time focusing on a relationship that had no chemistry especially when it came between the America/Strange stuff! And the magic in this is like a bad b movie when it’s so clearly capable(from the visuals alone) at being cool as hell!
When I first watched this my thought was how Wanda is just evil, with nothing but an after credits stinger for showcasing it. I felt that having Wanda help strange and America until getting to Earth-816 and seeing her kids and the two magicians realising that dream walking is different realities that she would then be tempted by passages she was still trying to parse out. Especially considering how innate her magic is, her being able to just read and understand the dark hood is kind of weird. Like her context for magic is that she does it and things happen. So her still being early in it and having some working knowledge would go well, then at least her as a villain of her own will makes sense. The monsters hunting America could just be dreams she’s having and no one realises that it’s her subconsciously hunting America till the turn. We could still have her kill the entire illuminati once she realises what’s going on, maybe even have her trying to reason with strange as they run to the new book. Explaining why she isn’t going full violence at them.
That being said your version is superior because it addresses more than the bad characterisation of Wanda but of magic in the MCU
Yeah, aside from Wong and Strange, there is a big lack of chemistry between a lot of characters in this movie.
@@eastsidereviews727 it’s really sad considering how many fantastic actors are in it, I think a lot of it is this new mcu obsession to not have self contained stories. And the first film did a bad job at setting up anyone but strange wong and mordo
What disservice is done to strange? He was a terrible character before this movie.
@@nalday2534 the continued disservice of strange. Just because it has never been done well doesn’t mean each time is isn’t a disservice.
@@QueerChangling facts, this movie should of been about Strange and Mordo being at each other throats….and then maybe have Wanda get in the middle of it half way through.
Honestly, I agree with your plan to rectify it. Chthon's influence is exactly what is needed to tie everything together. It would explain not only the massive shift in her character between WV and MoM but it would also explain her more brutal and powerful showing. It would be explained as Chthon amplifying and twisting her desires. It would also remove the "why didn't she just convince America to send her" argument in favor of Chthon wanting the power to be able to travel the multiverse and conquer on his own whims. It makes Wanda's sacrifice in the end more meaningful and also puts a greater impact on the fact that Steven (and possibly Agatha since I'd assume Wanda's death"?" would remove the spell on her) are the only ones left in the main uni with the knowledge of the Darkhold
I love your take on this! Especially that in your version Wanda isn't completely possessed but simply being manipulated. That Chthon only feeds into her dark sides and brings them to a climax. That still grants her an interesting complexity and is way more in line with what we've seen so far from her.
I feel like your update would have been far better than what we got. Wanda's turn felt weird, and while I enjoyed watching it, and I'll likely go back again Wanda's arc is disconcerting.
After this vid though, I'm looking forward to your thoughts on Ms. Marvel next week. I am really enjoying it so far.
Maybe they should've put a second season if how she became a villain in WandaVision. Where Wanda reads the darkhold and slowly becomes a villian and more evil each episode. A journey from anti-hero to villian.
The thing is they'll probably use the dark hold as a scapegoat for what Wanda has done to absolve her of all wrongdoing since when we saw Xavier in Wanda's mind it confirmed that her good side was trapped.
"Stop watering down magic, y'all!!!" Made me LOLOLOL.
I'm a huge fan of Wanda & Strange, but Multiverse of Madness made me DOUBT the infallible interconnectedness of the MCU. And I HATED the Raimi horror lite BS. Shove REAL TERROR down our throats if you really wanted to, Disney.
And you're right, the writer Waldron ruined it. He may have crafted a good Loki script (I didn't even enjoy Loki, I know I'm of the minority here) but he certainly doesn't seem to understand Strange or the Scarlet Witch.
Also, all the "magic" they did was very rooted in the PHYSICAL -- conjuring up beastly hands to grab a lamp post to poke an eye out, Wong basically crafting energy weapons & shields (that's ALL a Sorcerer Supreme can come up with?!?!), musical notes used as physical weapons (they're really just written down on paper to denote musical notes; they have NOTHING to do with the actual music/ vibrations), damed souls woven into a cape (cool visuals, I'll give them that) -- but might as well pull a rabbit out of a top hat & throw it at Wanda, or energize playing cards like Gambit. Utterly uncreative in terms of using "magick".... Strange's short fight with Thanos in Endgame captured magick so wonderfully -- illusion casting, morphing energy into butterflies. Now that was wondrous.
& I couldn't' believe Chthon was never mentioned, let alone show up.
We had that demon bat-squid whisper in Wenwu's mind, I guess they couldn't do that again with Chthon & Wanda. Meh.
Can't wait to watch Thor Love & Thunder tomorrow & wipe MoM out of my memory. I have full faith in Taika & the cast.
How did you feel about Thor?
You wanted them to give e you exactly what the Thanos fight gave in endgame?
Then you’d complain it was overplayed
You people are never fucking satisfied
Oh my God finally another person who was so put off by how laughably tame the "horror" was
I went into this movie genuinely expecting to be scared and it was legitimately disappointing that I wasn't, especially as someone who doesn't watch a lot of horror movies and isn't desensitized to the tropes there.
If I remember right Chthon was mentioned once
Chthon was mentioned by Wong after both Wanda and Wong arrived to Wundagore
Couldn’t agree with you more.
It’s insane how they keep oversimplifying both Magic and gods I’m the MCU.
Chaos gods like Suma Gorath are reduced to minions. And magic just has energy roads and portals as there biggest tools, not including the real eye candy scene they spent a good chunk of the budget on. Titles like the “Sorcerer Supream,” have as much weight as a fancy pin that anyone can get. And they can’t seem to decide if gods are actual deities, or just more advanced aliens.
Love you’re Cathon rewrite BTW. As it actually gives big name characters from the comics there just due instead of being glorified Easter eggs with no real significance in the story.
Though I wonder if Cathon’s rolls could have also been played by ether Mafisto, or the real Shuma Gorath?
Before this movie, had Wanda and Strange had, like any type of conversation? Cause I don't buy them being chummy when they first meet up here.
No wait this actually made me realize that they havent had any on screen interactions. Like they could have possibly chatted at Tony's funeral, or here or there. Be never have seen them talk or interact at all.
IW was when everyone was made aware of Dr.Strange sans Thor who met him during Ragnorok.
They could have met during Endgame during the moment when Strange mass collected all of the heros but that can be explained away as there was were a shit tone of ppl at Kamar Taj to do that instead of him. Other than that I cant think of anytime they were in the same room together.
Sure they can know of each other but that was the first time they officially met.
Though not as steeped Marvel magic lore as you, La'Ron. I am really tired of shields and portals being the end all be all in magic. Especially when Spider-Boy's best friend could do portals without needing to travel to Asia and sit at the feet of a master to learn it. Sorcerer Supreme is a meaningless joke title given to Gob Bluth so he could finally get into that Poof.
And then there's Wanda. The John Byrne factor in full effect, meaning to revitalise a series, he comes in focuses on a woman on the team shows us how powerful she really is (and the Gays take her in as an icon), then makes her unstable and barely stoppable. Besides Wanda, we got Dark Phoenix, and as he was changing the Invisible Girl into the Invisible Woman. she got into S&M drag and went a little crazy. Later after Byrne left, the same thing happened with Storm. Powers, drinks, maps, their emotions and their autonomy, women just can't handle these things. I wonder if Clea will be as powerful as her comics version, or has power corrupted her too.
Great lesson as always!
Yup. Wong's pretty uncreative as Sorcerer Supreme. All he ever conjures up were physical energy weapons. No wonder he's into Xialing's fight club.
They really backtracked. After what Strange was pulling out during Infinity War, there should've been much more done here. Especially since Wanda has Chaos Magic and possibly her Reality Warping. There should've been more like what Wanda was doing against Black Bolt and Fantastic.
Its like all the sanctum teaches are the basics
Absolutely love this take because it actually feels like something that the beginning of the film (including an understanding of Wandavision) was setting up in the background.
I vibe with the use of Cthon here. Yeah, it robs Wanda of her agency for much of the story, but on the other hand - the movie kind of does that to an even worse degree already, insofar as MoM Wanda *barely* resembles Wandavision Wanda *at all* and thus her heel-turn feels rather artificial, a robbing of her agency by means of Multiple Writers' Disease, instead of allowing her to feel like an organic character. So in lieu of completely rewriting the movie from the ground up, I think 'it was mind control, but only kinda' is the best option.
I had no complaints about the movie as I went in COMPLETELY blind. Considering my knowledge of them stems almost exclusively from the MCU, I know very little about Doctor Strange as a whole, and even less about the Scarlett Witch. I also went out of my way to avoid the trailers, which led me to believe that Wanda would not be the villain of the film, so that was a shock to me. That all being said, I have noticed two things. First, Wanda is ASSUMED dead, and secondly, while they made it a point to say that ALL the Darkholds were destroyed, the same cannot be said for the other book, so technically, there's nothing stopping them from utilizing your idea in a later film depending on how this Multiversal Secret War things goes (@19:11 and @23:34). Also Wanda just started getting SUPER interesting as of late, and we also literally just got Vision back (kinda), so I'm still hanging onto the hope that we're not done with Wanda yet.
I really wished they explained the darkhold more better instead of making it seem like Wanda was doing all of this willingly
I liked the movie yes Dr. strange and Wanda have always been 2 of my favorite characters so i went in positive, but i think my major thing i was expecting was for Wanda being more of a moral grey character then just full blown bloodlust crazy. Also i couldnt agree more with the magic part. Magic is so fun to play with on a literary level and i feel like the movies keep dodging anything that could help with the depth and structure of the magic system
Yass! A new videooooooooo! Yass! The horror infused narrative was incredibly refreshing. This came so close to making it Marvel horror. The "what mouth" joke hit LOOOL
As much as i loved powerful evil Wanda, Wandavision put in SO much work into making Wanda complex and then MoM just completely undid it for the sake of needing a villain for the heroes to fight. I like your version of events much better.
Also imo if Dr.Stange had simply tried to find other versions of Wanda to warn them that an evil version of her wanted to take her children away, then those other versions would team up and fight her. And then you could have your epic fight scene and also have a more heartfelt scene where she talks herself out of her evil streak.
My biggest problem with Dr strange 2 is that Wandas arc is a rehash of what happened it Wanda Vision but worse. Its like Raimi didn't watch wanda vision or maybe he just didnt care about completely sh*tting on her character growth.
query: given that wanda needs to communicate with someone [to actually heal properly], could we get a reversal of characters in House of Harkness? which is to say - could Wanda appear on Agnes' street and life [while keeping her true form hidden] just as Agatha did? just to have someone to talk to. granted, "Agnes" would have no true memories but i feel like, if anyone can be Wanda's counsellor, it would be her. [apologies if it sounds convoluted]
Honestly, adding Agatha to Wanda's "support network" was kinda what I was alluding to in the clips that I chose when I mentioned it. It's definitely something I'd eventually like to see later on.
@@Readus101 thanks much. truly.
goddamn this is such a good idea
@@Readus101 Agatha is useless now lol
She’s just a rando
I adore wanda…. I would write the way she became a villain is by starting her actually trying to help , with her not wanting to as she dosnt wanna use her magic to keep The SW a ”at bay” (or something like that) with America Chaves saying at one point how dreams are just visions into other reality’s , which makes wanda realise her children are alive and with her (maybe with vision too , but I think they’ll bring him back later) so that’s when she attacks , sending Strange and Chaves into the multiverse (then plus your Possession theme would work well in my opinion)
I think you really hit the nail on the head here. The only thing I would add/change that you didn’t touch on was the fact that I think it would have been much more poignant of a moment if Wanda had that final moment not with 838 Wanda, but 838 Pietro. Or perhaps not even 838. With the way the twins were handled in AoU and their closeness being highlighted, I think her seeing the one person who had been with her since the beginning would have added a layer that was definitely missing. It would have also allowed Quicksilver to be reintroduced to the MCU, possibly even brought into the main universe if America sent Wanda to a universe where it wasn’t Pietro who died in Sokovia but her. I think family is such a key motif with Wanda right now that that would have really solidified her redemption arc.
I hope Agatha House of Harkness delves deeper into Marvel Mystic. I wanna see the entire mythology surrounding magic in the MCU, since she has been a witch presumably since the salem witch trials
I personally like the idea that wanda was just born with magic. It's a subtle way to introduce mutants by saying witches are a subset of mutants.
Wandavision is my favorite production by Marvel. Needless to say, I was quite annoyed by what they did with Wanda.
Yeah, Raime is great here.
Edit: Waldron's comment are simply ridiculous
The magic battle at Kamar Taj should have been WAY better. How the hell do you have all these sorcerers and all they are doing is conjuring tiny shields and shooting cannons? Like this would have been a great time to showcase some epic magic and spells and creative ways to defeat someone and show how powerful Wanda is by being able to survive and attack back.
Strange vs Thanos was a great battle. He duplicated himself, conjured stuff, transfigured stuff…and we see NONE of that.
Even Wong does nothing but conjure swords.
Like come on!
That's so true. When it comes to magic, the only thing that limits you is imagination but it seems like the writers really lacked that. Energy projectiles and conjuring weapons starts to be boring to watch after a while.
This is such a great way to fix Wanda’s place in this film. I felt such tonal whiplash watching her just kill all the sorcerers in this movie, especially with all of the subconious, she didn’t mean for Westview to really happen.
For me, I would've made Nightmare the main villain and have him manipulate Wanda in the second film act until she decides to not follow through with his demands in the third act. I'd also have the Illuminati live and serve as the backup Strange needs against Nightmare and Mordo-199999, along with Croctor Strange and Scarlet Poodle to give the film a bit of equal campiness comedy.
it would've been nice if the post-credit scene of wandavision had a continuation in doctor strange 2. remember we heard billy and tommy's pleas? maybe wanda exploring it could've been her seeing her kids suffer and not understanding why they were disintegrating when she removed the hex. then she would've felt like owning up to her kids' deaths.
Yep, the main problem for me was that it felt like they were just setting up Secret Wars and they didn't really cared about Strange or Wanda's character....im currently working on writing versions of the movie that doesn't focus on the Multiverse and focus on the actual characters just for the fun of it.
So what your saying is that they Game of Thrones'ed Wanda, and magic is important.
i legit went to see this movie: Wanda and the Multiverse. Strange nothing. though admittedly, i did enjoy it but i really was there for the wanda show.
Ya, in WandaVision, when Agatha starts talking about chaos magic and Wanda being THE Scarlet Witch, I had no idea what that was supposed to mean. I’d actually assumed it didn’t mean anything. But it figures it has more meaning for comic fans. Also, MoM was trying to do waaay too much, and still didn’t do enough 😖.
I want, no, NEED, a redemption arc for Wanda. She just needs a good nap without dreams about Tommy and Billy, and a hug. That red flash before the building collapsed gives me a lot of hope 👀
I’ve been waiting for your take on this ever since I saw it!!!
Thank you for sharing because I’m really intrigued by this. Your enthusiasm is contagious. I’m glad King F.D Signifier recommend this channel.😷
Thank you I enjoyed this discussion!!
I throw these words upon the altar of the mighty algorithm. You do amazing work La'Ron!!!
Thank you for this! I knew there was a way of fixing this film but didn’t know what it was
You should make a video about "Everything Everywhere All at Once". A lot of people say it is better (multiverse) movie than this one and I do agree.
It also covers some of the themes you're invested into.
This is a rare instance when I actually waited to watch the movie before watching a video of yours on it. You are spot on! We need more actual magic in these movies.
Thank you, this is my head cannon now. I needed better motivation and a better arc for Wanda and your pitch gives that without completely changing the movie (which I wouldn't have minded after seeing the movie), and in a way that still wouldn't have made it a 3 hour movie (shade at the batman, even though I really enjoyed it. The run time just makes it difficult to rewatch). Great job!
The shift in Wanda from Wandavision to Multiverse of Madness feels like there was a movie in between there that we should have gotten to make it less of a jarring change in characterization. Also, maybe this was just me, but even with her more overtly villainous scenes being in the trailers, I still really didn't expect her to be *the* big bad of the film and I was pretty disappointed upon realizing she was.
Hello Mr La'Ron! Pleased to meet you, and... YES!! YESSSSSSSS YES 100 TIMES YES!!! You absolutely nailed it! Everything that was wrong with the writing, and how it could have worked so much better with just a few tweaks.
I definitely enjoyed the film when sat in the cinema, but haven't been able to watch it since. They did Wanda dirty... and America Chavez too (who was little more than a living Maguffin for most of the film). The cameos were fun, but it was little more than an extended episode of What If...? that we'd already seen.
Thank you for this video!! This is the first of your work I've seen, and I look forward to discovering the rest of your back catalogue! Thanks!!
what you're saying actually makes sense and is very comic accurate because in Darkhold: Pages from the Book of Sins #6 the profecy of the Scarlet Witch went like "A child born of no man and a woman marked by sin; daughter becomes mother; then will the great return begin." basically the profecy means Wanda is the woman marked by sin, Wanda was once a Daughter and has now become a mother, "Child born of no man" signifies to wanda having children with Vision who isn't a man feeds into the original profecy of Cthon returning and that's all from WandaVision. With the Darkhold already being fully put together would only make more sense of Wanda being influenced by Chthon. Her arrival to Wundagore (also its weird how Wundagore kinda sounds like it's where Wanda got her name from) would only feed into Cthons control since that's his place of power in the human world.
First of all, let me just say thank you for the (as always) insightful commentary.
As for my homework, I thought the film was trying to do a little too much in the wrong directions, if that makes sense, and ended up being a little murky in terms of characterisation and pacing as a result.
As for what I would change, I think I would even further embrace the rules surrounding the Darkhold set up by the excellent Marvel's Agents of Shield, which deals with exactly this aspect of corruption in an altogether different setting, one that blends the (somewhat) grounded science of Shield with references to more mystical elements such as demons and the Devil.
Speaking of Agents of Shield, I'll use this as an opportunity to ask if you could turn your excellent mind towards this massively underappreciated show, as I would love to see a breakdown of one or more of the many, many different plot arcs from a writer such as yourself.
Excellent fix-it fic, they should hire you as a writer. I don't even follow the comics, but this makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE.
THIS IS THE MOVIE I NEEDED😭
Damn I knew as soon as I clicked I wouldn't be able to let go of this amazing rewrite.
Seriously. Great suggestion. When you were describing I was "seeing" it. And with Raime's direction even!
Well done! It even subdued a bit my frustation with this movie, :)
21:00 even your psychological/metaphorical explanation works.
Man produced another banger.
Still this script change doesn't account for why Wanda would go from killing random people to taking her time to not kill Strange and why she had to take America back to the mountain top a lot of the choices were still odd even with an external influence.
You made good points about the weakening of magic in Marvel's cinematic Universe, intrusion of cosmic emergency arcs into solo superheroes' movies, and the ableist and misogynist Face-Heel Turn, Hysterical Woman, Mama Bear, Woobie Destroyer of Worlds, and Wicked Witch cliches of Scarlet Witch's portrayal and Black Widow's Heroic Sacrifice. Your Cthon/Darkhold possession solution strengthens Marvel magic but denies Wanda her agency and discriminates against her since Dr. Strange uses the Darkhold and gets possessed with impunity. I propose making Cthon or some other Darkhold-using mage the villain and having Wanda and Stephen team up against it or him. Making Cthon an Eldritch Abomination and the Evil Sorcerer a Humanoid Abomination, seeking to human sacrifice America Fererra for Multiversal Conqueror ambitions preserves the horror angle while keeping Wanda and Strange equally heroic. Have a sympathetic Strange and Illuminati help reunite Wanda with her family by time or dimensional travel, instead! It's more heroic! As for WandaVision, the Scarlet Witch need not enslave and brainwash a small town to have a happy sitcom family life! She could simply teleport and resurrect Quicksilver and Vision or locate White Vision with a crystal ball and reality warp their children while leaving her neighbors alone. Let Agatha Harkness do all the supervillain stuff! I think plot twists and character arcs should have logical reasons for them, rather than shake up a plot or surprise the audience.
I love this video cause you really highlighted a lot of things that were wrong with this movie, like the directing was phenomenal but a good director can only carry a script so far.
Contemplating making a video on this but another thing that I would've liked to see was maybe a variant Wanda who is bad or rather has used the darkhold, like Lore for example, having Lore be the bad guy would be great and serve as a sort of mirror for Wanda, if she continues down the path of using the darkhold she might end up as bad as Lore, then at the end show Wanda still going along and reading said darkhold and have her as a villian in another movie.
There needed to be a movie inbetween Wandavision and this one, or they couldve focused on Wanda's character development to a psycho bitch all throughout the movie but they did not. They had to do too much with Strange and America to properly give her the descent to madness, it is very abrupt even with the book's magic in the mix. Anything interesting about the book's powers/ its effect on Wanda wasn't talked much about, I was expecting more cosmic mind fuckery rather than just flashy trippy effects. The movie feels...settingless? Empty? I am a Wanda fan, and was really happy to see her become a villain but it was very one note.
I compare it to Everything Everywhere All at Once, another movie that came out in the same few months that did multiverse superheroes and powers very well. That movie feels full with it's multiversal setting and not empty, it also deals with universe destroying villains with mental breaks and managed to make the villain's complete loss of humanity more interesting and vulnerable than what Wanda got.
Have no idea what the scarlet witch movie will be now, tbh. They really put the cart before the horse with her character like they did with Natasha as well.
The worst things for me were:
1. Wong should not be defeated by Gargantos so easily. With what we witnessed, If the only person more qualified for Sorcerer Supreme than him was Strange, oh boy, the world is in danger. I was kinda pissed. The runes could be the gag of why Wong would stop casting spells and be captured or something. Or even the only alluded difference between sorcery and witchcraft itself could be the reason. His defeat should be circumstancial and Strange's upper hand on the fight should barely/pratically be as well.
2. The poorly executed Iluminatti fanservice - they contributed with 0 things to the plot. Not even Xavier trusting Strange was really necessary since he had to fight Mordo anyway. Also Captain Marvel dying smashed by a giant statue? This would only be possible if she was knockouted and she was wide awake. And of their murders meant nothing, really. We had already understood that Wanda was willing to murder and could easily do so.
3. The same Wanda (body of 838 Wanda) killed all of the most powerful superhumans of that reality was ridiculously limping in a cringy horror wanna-be scene. Bitch, she flies!! Really? I mean, just one line would at least clarify that Wanda was not the Scarlet Witch, so she was weakier and, still, more badass than the Ilumiwhattis.
4. "I can't control my powers, Strange!" "Yes, you can, America!" "Oh, yeah, I can XD". I'm not against Discourse no Jutsu, but only if made right.
5. Just like you said, Vishanti and their book? Useless - which is a shame. Oh, and before the Book is destroyed, we can see a star on it, maybe alluding to the resolution being America's herself like it did happen. So, yeah, if the things happened the way you said, it would be even cooler.
6. Like you said too, the darkhold influence on Wanda should have been more clear to make more sense with Wandavision, something that would make the public wonder more of how much of herself is really imputable. Could have been your suggestion or some even uncertain. For instance, a scene where she briefly comes to senses on that "and what about their mother?" exchange with Strange inside Kamar Taj. In the trailers, it showed that she was supposed to be crying on that scene, it could be the perfect opportunity since she's vulnerable/she's HERSELF. And her tear was perfectly timed, I don't understand why they choose to cut it out of the film. Maybe to solidify her more as a unscrupulous villian? Well, it DOESN'T. MAKE. SENSE.
I think just a few more minutes would benefit this film A LOT. And, for me, some Nexus Being vs Nexus Event explaination would already be very much appreciated.
Yo, that shot at Nerdist was petty... and it had me rollin'! Hahaha
And Brendan Lee Mulligan is always a win!
I completely agree with you....the puzzle piece that's missing here is, these movies are not made for us. The studios believe they would lose money catering to fans. We can't even think of the characters as who they're supposed to be; they share names and likenesses, but the similarities end there.
The perfect video to watch while I eat breakfast
yeah these are really good changes cool video
Given Nighmare was originally supposed to be in MoM, I'm pretty sure that he can be included in the next Dr. Strange with his infkuence being explained in MoM. That way, some stuff could be retconned rather than them having to rewrite or remake the whole movie.
Well...I can't say I care about the subject with much passion, but I did really enjoy the delivery...that editing was quite amusing...
Wanda s my favorite new Avenger. I loved her in Civil War and Infinity War. She had so much potential. However, they ruined her by making her a villian. I don't like that they made her hold an innocent town hostage in her own show (instead of having her act like a hero) and I don't like that they made her a killer in Multiverse of Madnesses. I know she isn't unstable in the comics and has done villainous things, but I still think they did her dirty. I would have preferred her as hero or antihero.
Jesus fucking Christ she’s not going to be forever a villain
Get over yourself.
She clearly is unstable
In grief, in denial, possessed by a magic created by evil
Me, too!
I like Wanda as a character after watching WandaVision, seeing how the movie did her in the end didn't leave me completely satisfied with her arc.
I had not seen Dr.Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, and part of that was having the identity of the villain spoiled for me.
For me, the MCU really didn't have a major screw up until Endgame, which is to say that, while there were bits I liked less than others, there wasn't much I actively disliked enough that I had trouble getting past it. The treatment of the Black Widow in Endgame angered me profoundly.
I dreaded the idea of Wanda being the villain in Wandavision and was overjoyed when it didn't happen ('Woman + Power = Evil/Madness' is one of my least favourite tropes in fiction and one that comics seemingly loves to throw at me, with the only thing worse being the "We have to shove her in this fridge to save her" variant).
I like heroines. And the fact that the MCU seems to think that pulling this nonsense on 2/3 of their prominent female superheroines is not only appropriate, but desirable has made me start thinking that maybe the MCU just isn't interested in telling the sorts of stories I care to see.
This Is Perfect!!!
Just a reminder that scarlet witch mind tortured the adults of her sims village to the point of asking for death. Imagine all the kids in that town that probably Yoda death screamed because of her and the mental scarring she did to them.
That and putting a woman knowingly into that hell because she tried to do something that literally would have saved everyone who died by Wanda’s hand in this film.
My experience with this movie was better than most because I read spoilers in October and was prepared for what was to come when it finally released in January.
i know this is not the assignment but that looked like an exu calamity discussion clip
please please god please i wish you could do content on that im completely devastated and obsessed
just
lol It's from the Dungeon Master roundtable video. And I'm totally down to talk more about CR stuff in one way or another!
only about 18 minutes in, but goddamn, this is so much better than what we got.
We can dream of a better multiverse of madness 🥺
I would have made evil Wanda a different universe Wanda, so our Wanda could see what she would become if she continues down her path. Maybe she incursions into our Wanda or somehow incapacitated her. In the end, Wanda has to kill herself. The middle of the movie could go the same way it went… except maybe not make Mr. Fantastic so dumb
Yes I want to see magic in the MCU. I too also FUCKING!! love magic. That's why I love Dr.Strange
i love this!!!!
This was incredibly interesting to watch, I really like your rendition of what you would do with Wanda and her arc throughout the movie, I have no knowledge of the comics so learning about Chthon's comic book counterpart was interesting and would've been awesome to see on the big screen!
The thought of an actual god being responsible for Wanda's decent into madness and this angry-grief ridden state would've been more terrifying and interesting to see rather than, "the evil book made me do it."
Whilst I love the idea of the Darkhold being this grimoire of dark magic spells who can twist it's readers' morale and mind, it's seems a bit weak to just place the blame for Wanda's villainy onto it's ability to corrupt others, so having this evil demonic god possess Wanda to take her as a vessel/host for his own plans be the reason instead sounds much more threatening than an evil book.
I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense, I'm not really the best at writing my thoughts.
As for what I would change about the movie? ....My main issue is with Wanda's sudden character change.
WandaVision's whole takeaway was grief and being able to process it, of course Wanda's way of processing her grief wasn't the most healthiest of ways but it was still a way of coping nonetheless. And whilst I am not condoning Wanda's actions of enslaving an entire town just to live out her dream life whilst repressing her grief, because good god that is not okay nor is it healthy, she still learnt the process of grief and learnt to accept her losses. And of course she is absolutely not going to just get over it, there is still a lot of healing to do even after coming to terms with her losses, I think MoM instead of doing a 180 turn around and undoing her entire journey in WV should've instead carried on her journey of healing whilst also settling into her role as The Scarlet Witch, because whilst Wanda is certainly powerful in MoM you don't really know what power is The Scarlet Witch and what is simply the Darkhold's influence and what we got is probably just a sliver of what her full power looks like.
So if I could redo Wanda in MoM I would want this:
1. Throughout the movie we see her healing.
Coming to terms with loss is one thing, and whilst it is a step forward it doesn't mean that the healing process is over, so throughout the movie I would want to see her carrying on her journey of healing after Westview.
2. Her getting rid of the Darkhold in some way.
As we know, at the end of WV we see that Wanda has the Darkhold, and whilst we (unfortunately) don't see her development with using it and seeing the Darkhold's corruption on her, we can connect the dots on what happened between the time from the end of WV up until the events of MoM. So instead of her using the Darkhold I'd actually want to see her getting rid of it somehow, perhaps she could sense the beginnings of the corruption and therefore locked it away somewhere on her property, in the movie she did say that she was expecting Strange to show up sooner or later, so maybe she locked the Darkhold away in her home or on her grounds somewhere until Strange inevitably showed up so she could return it to him. Which brings me to my next "rewrite."
3. Wanda and Strange team-up.
I personally would have loved to have seen these two team up rather than be at odds, so this is what I would do.
When Strange does show up to seek Wanda for help about the threat of America being hunted and killed, after Strange tells Wanda about what is happening Wanda tells Strange about her journey with grieving the loss of her family and coming to terms with it, maybe we see some sort of flashback or Wanda shows us with her magic (like she does in the movie with Billy and Tommy) those events, she mentions how she has come to terms with even though she, herself, will possibly never see her family again she knows that they are out there somewhere, and that another version of her is taking care of them and that they are happy and well, and that that is enough for her.
She also tells Strange that she started using the Darkhold since it was her only source of research at the time, but as time went on she started to sense that something wasn't right (perhaps the Darkhold whilst corrupting it's readers has some sort of process or has stages before the corruption is complete) and that she started to feel the corruption take hold on her so she locked the book away, far enough away from her so she doesn't feel tempted to read it but close enough to her so she knows exactly where it is until she can give it to the right person/people (that being Stephen). Her ending statement is that she is tired of being alone and that she wants to help Stephen, and America, where she can.
I would also write in that Strange becomes some sort of mentor for Wanda, teaching her about magic and how to use it and possibly how to strengthen her own, maybe Wanda even writes her own grimoire to help her.
I would also absolutely write in that Wanda becomes some sort of mother figure for America. Loss is something that they can both relate to, (being that Wanda has lost her family, brother, husband and children, as well as the life she could have had, and America having sending her moms to another universe whilst also not knowing if her moms are alive or not) and with Wanda not having her children, and America not having her moms, it seems fitting that they would form some sort of a parental and child relationship/bond, and perhaps they can both help each other more in that healing process.
Now if you still wanted Wanda to be the main antagonist, my solution is this:
The Multiverse is a thing, and so far we haven't seen much of it.
So perhaps there is a universe that is very closely parallel to 616 with a few minor differences, one of those being that perhaps Wanda never learnt what she did at the end of WV or perhaps she never had Westview at all? Maybe she did come into contact with the Darkhold after the events of Endgame and started using it much earlier rather than at the end of WV (since in this universe WV never actually happened.)
Maybe she learns that she's a Nexus being through the Darkhold and finds out she has some sort of influence on the timeline, maybe she learns there are other ways of multiversal travel apart from Dreamwalking and with the powers of America, I don't know if that's a thing or not (like I said earlier I have no knowledge of the comics so I am sorry if get something wrong 😅) I'm mainly spitballing here.
All I'm saying is that we've set up the Multiverse and we've barely scratched the surface of it, so another Wanda who didn't go through what (my rewrite version of) 616 Wanda went through isn't out there, it's a possibility out of many others.
And if you didn't want Wanda to be the main antagonist you can always have another character who ties into both Doctor Strange and Wanda be the big bad, or you could have different variants of Wanda and Strange be the big bad (because again...the multiverse, you can't set this up and not do anything with it Marvel come on now XD especially with a movie with Doctor Strange- and especially when the Multiverse is in the title 😂😭)
I honestly loved this rendition of Chthon possessing Wanda to be his vessel and taking advantage of her grief and anger to further strengthen her powers to fulfil his own desires.
But yes, if I could rewrite Wanda, that is how I would do it, personally anyways.
I very much enjoyed this video and I'm glad I could finally share my own idea for Wanda in MoM.
Any who, I know I've rambled a lot and most of this probably doesn't make much sense (as I've said I'm not great at conveying my thoughts through text) but I was happy to share my idea anyways, and thank you to whoever took their time to read this ^w^
Take care and have a good day! 😊
An Alt-Wanda and Alt-Strange? What a cool idea for supervillains in a multiverse! Evil Twins from a Mirror Universe is commonly used in the Modern Age!
I'm just mad we're probably never getting our "no more mutants" moment...
I wish that they explored how Wanda lost the Avengers a bit more (not that they did at all.) She had a very close relationship with Clint and Natasha and was on good terms with Steve. I think seeing her mourn not only her biological family but also the family she found in the Avengers before it all fell apart would've been a really interesting route to take.
Anyway, she isn't dead and she's gone to Westview (without making a hex this time) and her and Agatha are having the time of their lives together.
The point of Chthon being integral to Wanda's character arc and her history is to show that even when you're unknowingly "blessed" a.k.a. cursed by an abominable elder god to be a physical avatar to wreck havoc upon the physical realm, you can still resist that evil influence and even defeat that toxic patronization. That's why when Wanda finally absorbed Chthon in her most recent comic appearance, it felt so satisfying. After a lot of decades spent being a mere puppet for not only Chthon but also many other beings and entities, Wanda could finally overpower them by surviving and learning more and more about who she believes she can be in the midst of all superpowered, cosmic and magical beings in the universe. A hero. An Avenger. A mother. But most importantly...a human. Magical, yes, but still a human.
Apparently, the MCU missed this point and keep treating her as yet another Jean Grey wannabe with the "Scarlet Witch" title being her pseudo-Dark Phoenix. Dumbass writer called Michael Waldron is responsible for this and Kevin Feige...you too are on sight.
Question, as you like magic in fiction generally, did you ever read Sergei Lukyanenko's Nightwatch and other watch books? If not, I heartily recommend giving it a go; the lines between the good guys / bad guys gets blurred into an incomprehensible fog most of the time which is highly refreshing
I like how Index does magic alot.
Whats weird is the end credits scene of wandavision had her kids screaming for her help so most people thought she was going to try to rescue her kids and maybe it was chithon or mephisto all along just manipulating wanda to do something catastrophic. Wanda would still be in control of her actions but she's doing it for what she believes is saving her kids.
It not wanda wasn't already a horrible person. It's the fact at the end of Wandavision she still had some humanity.
Yes to everything you said. I choose to accept your version as canon.
Your rework is so much better holy shit.
Only tweak I would make to your pitch is just stressing that the Illuminati survives this version because wasting interesting characters is inherently bad writing to me.
Wanda can still wreck house on them, it’s actually really easy to write the scene so she just knocks them out. Maria shouldn’t have even have died from those rocks