DYNO | Living with a Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS
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- How much power, mate? In the first instalment of 'living with a Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS' Fagan drops into JHS Racing for a poo and a power run...
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I had a 2011 1050 from new with the Arrow 3>1 lowboy… it spat flames every time you let it engine brake through 4,,000rpm. Those were the days when men were men, emissions were emitted, Freddos were still affordable and Triumphs were made in
Yes Timothy 👊🏼
You dont retune the ECU after change the exhaus?
@@LEEGOOVER9901 Triumph had an ECU flash that they uploaded when they fitted the exhaust
@@timrodierides why is it 'sounds' like it is so rich because it is spits flames?
@@LEEGOOVER9901 Just on the overrun at certain revs. Not all the time
Would like to have seen a dyno overlay of this bike with its competitors, most notably the Tuono.
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2017 Tuono on the same dyno... th-cam.com/video/XAvqCHxZM98/w-d-xo.html. Newer Tuono's may make a bit more power... but Speed Triple is lighter.
Here's newer Tuono and SFv4: th-cam.com/video/RcxvwLTjq7g/w-d-xo.html
I'm gonna say the Triumph is faster in a straight line than the Tuono... slower than the Duc once moving but quicker off the line... in the twisties however... probably still going to be all Aprilia.
@@kuhndj67 I've owned both and the Speed is faster than the Tuono, but because the Speed is so smooth and linear, it does not feel like it is. It's just so deceptive. As far as the twisties? The Speed is easier for me to rip it up in the canyons and that flat torque curve is so broad that you don't need to shift all that often but the Tuono hits like a bull coming up out of the corners and it rages while the speed just gets on with being very predictable and very fast. I would say it comes down to the rider preference and skill.
How are you getting on with the rear shock? Mine felt really harsh, tried various set ups to no avail. Took it to an Ohlins approved service company, where according to the Ohlins build specs, it had the wrong compression damping shim (too little damping) in it. All sorted now with a respring, feels ace.
I know a few people have said the same. This one isn't too bad but could definitely do with a softer spring/different linkage
Where did you get it done as MCT (Darren) says exactly what your expert said. My street 765RS needed no such work. Will get too it before season starts properly.
@@sticky9996 yes, it was MCT.
I’m banking on my 16 1/2 stones being about right for the suspension.
Leave the suspension as it is and eat more cakes!
I test rode one a few months ago and was quite impressed. I had just ridden the Street Triple which was a lot of fun. But the Speed Triple was a whole different kettle of fish. The power properly scared me a couple of times. Id love to have one.
You can never get bored of a triple engine
I don't know about that, I had a 1999 ST955i and it was BORING, it had no redeeming features - like another boring B side 🤣
I had those arrows on my 1050, with the baffles out it had the best sound of any bike I've ever ridden or heard in person.
What's going on with that old scrambler in the background? Every time your at JHS there's something old and cool in the background.
Might have to do a little tour soon!
@@FortyFourTeeth that could be regular video series for Bike sausage
@@FortyFourTeeth I love my sportbikes and track days but I love old grandpa bikes as well.
Yeah I clocked that as well, it's a lovely machine
I do like the look of it, proper minimalist.
That noise, would sound amazing with a pipe on it!
then it ain't road legal in west Europe anymore.
Weather / scenery looks unreal... nothing but grey skies and rain for months on Australia's east coast. Need to get over to England
I love my '18 Speed RS. Pretty much all versions throughout the years are fantastic looking bikes. This one is no exception. Cheers from Melbourne 👍
Cue the comments in 3…2…1.
‘My (delete as appropriate) Bandit, ‘Gixxer’, ‘Busa, ZZR1100 (with grey camouflage trousers and a Simpson helmet) makes 190 at the wheel with a PC, race map, and a new can’.
Nice one, thank you. When watching everyone guessing what the rear wheel horses would be I was actually thinking “just take 12% from what the crank claims are” as it’s a good way of converting back when you do make some improvements to increase the power. 👍😎🇦🇺
Still breaking in my 22 in the better grey color way! Well spring for my weight. Plan on ditching the breadbox muffler for a few ends from pro-race. It be great to see how much more hp you guys can unlock.
How’s the bike going? Any issues?
@@jockojockoson9995 Funny you should ask! To make a long story short the bike had endless electrical issues related to the exhaust servo. Triumph ultimately replaced it with another Speed1200rs and I haven't had any issue outside of the recalls.
Bhp headline figures are overplayed. Anything north of 150 is virtually unusable on the road. Beautiful bike but, needs a growler.
Mines 256 😂 and I agree with you
Went from the 1050 to this and do not regret it a bit. Every time I ride it I fall more in love… Thanks 44 teeth for the great video and looking forward to seeing more of you chaps on this lovely machine.
Glad triumph build this, lovely in black, be interested how a decent suspension set up will make it feel
I had the rear suspension rebuilt with heaver spring and damper rebuilt, it needed it due to my size, but great now
I love the look of it, the black edition?
I have to own one of these before I have my total shoulder replacement, after which I will probably call it a day sadly but what a bike to end on 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Stunning bike, can’t wait for the next video
James is a legend.
Doesn't really matter what the outright HP is, just listening to that triple sing is all you need. Amazing sound it makes , especially in mid to high range
Right it's more than you need, it's more than you will ever use. Its almost too much.
@@sacredgeometryWhat a load of bollocks 😂
@@flamintasty Do you own this bike? Have you ever ridden this bike?
@@flamintasty I ask because mine currently sits about 20 meters away from me and I have owned if for approaching a year.
They look a lot less weird with the optional flyscreen
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Hi would you say the 2010 had a smoother throttle? Especially when closing the throttle at slow speeds?
Same as mine in black pretty evil looking I think , fast as fu€k fantastic handling, amazing breaks !! sounds proper angry when you give it the beans I love it , its stiff around town though but i don't care and our roads are terrible in Birmingham uk
Sad to hear they haven't fixed the slowness of the quickshifter. I have a '16 Speed and yeah it's not a smooth shift like my buddy's Tuono. Even the Striple has a better gearbox imo. Still sounds like a blast though.
When you take it to the track, pay attention to it's sound right before redline. Its like an angry hornet. It's awesome.
Algorithm👍 did I help? Seriously though, yes content with that black beauty🤤
Interesting dyno figures. These are basically the same as the S1000R which many have tossed off the super naked list.
Didn't know you'd got one of these long term. Just picked mine up last week in grey, so still running in. I'm finding I have to go to 2nd and then down to get it into neutral. Other than that the quickshifter is pretty faultless so far. I'm interested more in terms of what you do with the suspension Al, as I think we are similar weights/ height. I'm running mine on the soft road setting they give, it works pretty well ish on the ploughed fields that pass for roads near me. But would like to see what you do with it fella! Excellent as always BTW!
"Let us know what to do with the bike." All just personal opinion. Tail tidy, replace the bar-end mirrors as they look naff head on. End can (as you mentioned), and a tune. Then, in your politest British accent, ask BST for a set of Rapid Tek rims. Better tyres (if required) then sort the suspension. Most importantly, enjoy the bugger because it's still the best looking "muscle" bike around - but with a healthy serve of track intent. Cheers.
I bought a very low mile 09 Speed Triple and after riding it my wife bought a nearly new 13 Speed Triple. Not sure there’s a better bike to live with every day and shred on the weekends. My only complaint with the new ones is Triumph needs to go back to offering unique colors.
I have a 2020 Speed S and love it. But I can’t wait to give this beast a try! 😎🖤
Lush seeing my home town Bristol. Cheers Nige.
I want to know more about the engine character. The Daytona had one of the best engine characters, but no journalists talk about the 1200's engine character other than saying that it is "smooth". For example, is it quick to rev? Does it snap with instant torque like a GSXR 1k? I noticed that it has tremendous low down torque on the dyno compared to every competitor except the Superduke, but that is hardly mentioned either, so I don't know what to think about this bikes engine
Damn didn't realise BBB took so long to edit, makes us appreciate it even more! Nice vid on this Trumpet too, even despite the shade thrown on the 1050 in my garage..
I brought one of these in Jan. I live in NZ and Triumph seem to be having lots of trouble supplying accessories for it.
I love this bike, it is way more capable than me and I have done some long trips on it. I also have trouble finding neutral and also found neutral by accident with the quick-shifter a few times.
I have never seen a dyno from a speed triple 1200 RS where it reaches the 177 bhp announced actually that's always the bike which underperform the most and the new BMW overperform the claimed power 😅.
Got to pedal the old RS over the Isle of Skye. That was a proper weapon, compact and chuckable. Can only imagine the mischief you could get up to on the new one! Perhaps a run on an airfield to see who can do longest wheelie?
I prefer the older 1050 RS as the engine seems to have more low down grunt, much better for road use, you don't need to rev it as much as the 1200. I bought a 1050RS. Love it. The sound of the engine with the twin Arrow cans is addictive.
Definitely looks dashing in the black...JHS dyno reads lower than some/is more honest than most, so decent power for a naked. Could see if you can make the suspension work as you'd like.
Beautiful bike, but how does it stack against a rusted 87 Kawaski Ar125 with original marine ply tyres?.............green of course
If there is a subscriber that has one and has done the exhaust servo delete and a can upgrade, would be nice to see a dyno comparison 😀
Had the first bike to come into dealers in Uk , have put 15k miles on it now , got race fit titanium exhaust , rear pegs delete and carbon rear seat Cowl , feels so light and nimble now , great bike , had suspension set by ohlins guy , was way harsh when picked up from dealer .. good to see you bang her in Dyno 👍😎
What a strange time we are living in.. I mean, an authentic british motorcycle, hooligan related, the epitome of a naked bike is delayed for delivery in its home country. Covid is one thing but building this peace of history in Thailand is not right. Even Land Rover builds in Slovakia... stayin in Europe for reasons. I would give a 1000 bucks more for a bike made in Europe.... and maybe 1500 bucks for made at home. It´s the heart that buys a moto...
Totally agree - Triumph are starting to notice we are pished at paying premium prices for Thai made bikes (the only reason I do not own a new Rocket) and are expanding production in the UK once more - I will consider a Rocket now - but only on a condition of sale that it's a UK built bike (can tell from the VIN) UK Rocket production should start in about 6 months.
Deciding to go back to naked from my RSV4 Factory, Speed Triple RR/RS, Superduke R, or Mt-10? No track, only hard canyon riding.
Yes suspension tweaks, I feel are needed, also why is there a fast tick over just on trickle speed. Neutral improves (3700m and counting). Waiting for a long pipe ackro be good to see that on the bike when they make one, can you find out? I cant. Reading the comments on suspension seems to agree with what MCT say about the suspension. Can't wait for first trackday.
It’s still 5 BHP down on a standard 2017 Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 factory on the same Dyno ! Admittedly that is Euro 4.
But it's lighter.
Would be nice to see an episode on thinks you can improve without mods, such as time over a lap with shocks set to stock vs set perfect
0:57 They were delayed getting into the UK? What?? Aren't they built in the UK?
I think they're made in Thailand or the Phillipines or some other shithole. One of the reasons it's a pass for me. The reliability of these things has been atrocious, tons of horror stories here on YT...
I would love to see you guys take this, and boothys zx10r to the track for some spanking, depending on the track I wonder if the triumph could pull out a W
Love my 2014 speed getting tempted to get another
I thought triumph was made in the uk until you said you had to wait for it to come into the country,,,, I will not buy one again
They closed UK production about two years ago - but are having a change of heart now Norton are building a shiny new factory up the road. I have been berating Triumph about their Thai manufacturing model - they are going to start producing UK made Tigers and Rockets this year with more models following. I can understand Thailand when they made the (then) budget Bonnies - and for the new Trident in a very cost-sensitive market - but the premium models should be UK made.
Looks slightly naughty 👏🏼
Short courses, flat track or gymkana. Or a battle including all three?
Those would be interesting on a naked.
Hey f4g4n thnx for the episode. Also i would love to see an episode about suspension settings.✌️And watch out exap valve cover. She is eager to fly out.
Shame you can’t do the exhaust because that’s literally the only thing this bike needs In my opinion
Did you.. ;-)
1. Do anything with the bike?
2. Have group test?
Recently bought a 21 speed 1200rs and my god in the real world on the back roads. There’s not much catching them out of corners. They say the mt10 is fun so is this beast.
Lovely bike and review. It's been a while since I've checked your channel. This bike is a tempting replacement for my pristine (well loved and cared for, low miles by the only owner) '02 R1. Thanks for the report.
As a current 1050RS owner will be great to see what it's like to live with. I was able to test ride one for a few hours..Actually found the gearbox worse than mine and as you reference neutral seemed quite painful to find. I had no issues really with the suspension, but hope u are allowed to fit a different exhaust, the triples sound so good. Still prefer the looks of my current bike, but maybe cause I was hoping they thought of some more interesting colour schemes than black or grey.
Hi I've got one I agree with you need a new exhaust on it I'm waiting for akrapovic to bring one out
Nice! That with a saucy system... :D
My former 2001 Daytona 955i put out 149 bhp, if the advertised figures were to be believed, granted without a load of stuffing up. Back then, if I remember correctly, that was back wheel figures.
tahst such a low number for a bike claiming 177 bhp. that too in a cold place like the uk. now i know why in a drag race against the tuono , it looses to a bike that claims lower numbers and is heavier.
Can't wait to see the 1200rs cup bikes🏍.
A 44Teeth UK track day would be banging😎 just putting it out there loving your work guys 👍🏻
It's not financially viable in the UK, unless we see an existing organiser and brand it as a 44T trackday but it wouldn't be the same. In fact, it's not financially viable anywhere at the moment 😂
@@FortyFourTeeth You could do a 'Come join us' track day. Just pick a track and a date and people have to organise it themselves.
@@alexcrossley148 yes yes I like where this is going. I'd happily spend the best part of a grand🤑 on a 44Teeth track day for three days at somewhere like Cadwell.
It's not like I'm going to Spain anymore.😜
looks wise its ugly as fuck, but it seems well built. excellent work as usual mr fagan
The old Speed Triple with the twin round headlights looked great, and it's gone downhill with every generation since. 😢
You need to visit Specsavers.
Looks like a motorbike - quite refreshing really.
‘Let us know what to do with the bike’… turbo it and do the Manx, Triumph will never know 👍
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Put it up against the Tuono factory on the track and in a straight line.
Always love the time at JHS! Beautiful bike, thanks Mr. Stathem🍻
That's the most linear power curve I've seen on any bike before.
I still wish they offered bright colours on the ST again.
The number one thing you should do with the bike is , Give it to me.🏍
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Super naked shoot out? Heck yeah! Can we also include gsxs1000 as a budget version for poor peasants too?
Ahh the irony....... late delivery of a British bike due to delay getting them into Britain 🤔
For 2k of Yankie Doodle Dollars more one can have the Fact Tuono with super dooper 2.0 susp. Or for 2k Less there's the Factory T Ape over the Speed Triple RR with that suspension. But the RR is a bit sexy.... Yet it's 2k freedom bucks more. I'm really quite torn between the RR and the Factory Ape, I'd do the RS but it doesn't come (that I know of) with the fancy pants Suspension.
Ps. Love your stuff! Wearing the windcheater now. Love the pen holder in the pocket. And the pockets in the pockets.
L8TR Mate!
To inspiring actors actresses who are watching. The accent you hear from the dyno guy is bristolian accents, I'm from Cornwall WE DON'T SOUND LIKE THIS SO STOP DOING THIS ACCENT WHEN ON TV. Nice bike ain't it, Soon as I saw the lights on the front. Praying mantis came to mind instantly, definitely a Marmite bike
Please do a full suspension setup for the road and the track with a tutorial, theres nothing decent on the topic
Check out Dave Moss. He teaches the basics and by watching that video in addition to seeing him set up other peoples bikes, you can begin to piece it together. All of that said, I’d still love a 44T suspension video.
I meant specifically for this bike, I've ordered one for the end of April and love to see James or Al have a go on the speed triple, if it's not too much trouble
@@martoonas Gotcha. I see. Makes sense. Wishing you the best since a tuned suspension makes all the difference in comfort and being able to confidently go faster.
I have looked a lot of Dyno results where the Triumph Speed Triple 1200 makes around 155hp. However, in all these results (including yours) the Speed Triple 1200 is revved to only 10700rpm whereas the rev limiter of the bike is 11.400 rpm from manufacturer. Why did you rev the bike to only 10700rpm when the bike makes More Power in the last 700rpm?
Always wanted a Speed Triple, love the noise and looks of them… maybe one day!
Those power/torques graphs are very interesting. Very linear output.
Slap on an SC Project SC1-R GT carbon/carbon silencer, dyno it again. Next, take it to your favorite back roads and ride it like you stole it. Finally, take it to the track and flog the fucking shit out of it. Post the vid, job done.
Took one out at the weekend, loverly machine, very stiff on the local roads. Would make your money back on it eventually in saved front tyres 🤣 is there any chance of getting mossy and/or Jason out on a new speed twin??
The Speed Twin is on the list of things to do, but it’s a very long list!
@@FortyFourTeeth you little diamonds 💎 there’s a lot of exciting bikes out there atm
anything with you lot plus Mossy - hes a legend - Mendip TT maybe - though you did that with him on 765 vs 890 - why not SDR 1290 vs RS 1200 ?
Add fuel between 5500 and 8500, and take out timing low/mid range.
Don’t any of you clowns listen?
He said Triumph won’t let them modify it.
I.....I'm sorry..... do you GO on yellow+red at a traffic light in the UK? What is this backward ass insanity? Yellow means go? When it's also red? What the hell is that?
Yellow is proceed with Caution. If it's safe to do so.
You journo's have a busy life, if you want a local to run them in (while you are otherwise engaged), give me a shout, Nige.
I'll bring my own boot banana's, Ja?
Triumph are like bmw.were so good were the greatest. They're actually awful brands. They overcharge for a brand name. Dont forget the japanese make the best, raceand Road. Don't believe the bull
Modern Triumphs are very good - what Japanese adventure bike is better than the Tigers? Is the MT-10 "better" than the Speed Triple? Nope - both excellent bikes in their own right. And however much I hate BMW - the S1000RR is the fastest sportsbike with an incredible electronics package at a reasonable price - they do go pop occasionally though.
Put 3/4s of the Evotech catalogue on mine and a Racefit Growler X. Looks the dogs but earplugs a must, has a servo delete and saves a tonne of weight from the muffler and second back box.
"proper naughty" ! And, as said below, "proper minimalist."
Triumph's been coming out with great bikes in recent years ... I'm sure enjoying it, even if I can't afford it.
Yeah, I'm sure it's got a lot more than the 1050, and to some people that's "needed" . My 1050 has got more than I can or am prepared to use ! Thus I have a rider limitation , rather than bike limitation.
Nice bike, not a big fan of the colour to be honest. If you're aiming for Italian bikes why not spend a bit more time on design/colour as well?
It's already a nice sound but a pipe would make it even better.
That “bypass” cutscene 😂 managed 164 on the mt10. And then had a unmarked x5 pull me up at the kfc roundabout. The rs is just dreamy
Just ride it lots and get some more vids out of that beautiful beasty.
First time I saw the new Speed T. I thought about to put on clip ons and a fairing for track days and modify it to a sort of Superbike. But then it still looses out around 20 hp to its rivals.
interested in the torque figure, did i miss it? its what makes a good road bike not the willy waving BHP figure -Good channel btw
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Michael 'Neevsy' Neeves and Alistair `Faggsy` Fagan😂🤣 Sometimes i have myself in stitches
Thanks for the video, properly loverly bike but delayed getting into the UK? I thought these things were made in the UK?
Thailand
For a few years, some Triumphs were made in Thailand...
@@FortyFourTeeth I love the tension around this subject, it actually thrills me to see all the tiptoeing. Like everyone's worried about upsetting some bear who for whatever reason is incredibly attached to inaffordable manufacturing in the UK.
Triumph heavily outsources its production to the orient, especially Thailand. Most bikes are merely _assembled_ in the UK.
The profit from exploiting cheap labour goes to the share holders. Keep waving that Union Jack, lads. Or pony the fuck up, to borrow an Americanism.
That said, Triumphs are overpriced nowadays. The quality is there, don't get me wrong, but it is in the Italian marques too, and they're still just about made in Italy. At least as long as the labour groups still have sway (bloody commies)...
Does it track a good line? My 2008 Speed Triple (with the an Arrow low boy etc) was a fantastic bike but at speed it struggled to hold a relatively high speed line. Had a first gen SD 1290 since (wheelied everywhere but slapped everywhere as well). A super naked will never match a sportbike in this department but the S1000R I rode was really good and my MT10 wasn’t far off
Doesn't sound like much power until you realise this is about the same rear wheel horsepower as a stock Gen 1 Hayabusa. I bet it's a blast to ride - much catch a test ride.
just sold my 1200GS and bought a 1050 Speed Triple RS...omfg.
Those 2 old slappers during the fang was a difficult wank.
- But I got there in the end.
Please don't forget to add the yamaha my10 sp in the test thanks , ps anyone else wishing they had whipped off the silencer then done a dyno run to hear what it can sound like ?