@@lv100Alice i think that is often because ppl dont want to feel like they get left behind. altough i dont care i take genshin really chill for example, ye u do 200k and my childe is only c0, who cares
Typically what people mean by "fun" is a combination of unpredictable, fast paced, flashy and risky. Personally I get bored very quickly when that's all a game has to offer. I get way more enjoyment out of predictable slower paced and unassuming games where I can figure out how to avoid risks. This quote annoys me so much because devs often remove the option to have fun my way and instead force me to play with a bunch of unecessary constraints so that I have "fun" their way.
All three of them enjoy the feeling of progress or seeing improvements, the difference being Connor enjoy's the progress of skills, while Joey and Grant enjoy's the progress of characters. Basically Connor is 'Skills>Gains' while Joey and Grant is 'Gains>Skills'. So if they were to play a game like Dark Souls, Connor would enjoy learning attacks and timeing, while Joey/Grant enjoy Upgrading and improving stats.
Connor is also more intrested in the mechanics of a game and how to get better at it. So hes like competitive and "selfish" when playing games because its all about him beating the game and being better than others. Which is why he prefers multiplayer games and skipping cutscenes. Garnt and Joey prefere immersing them selves with the characters, world and atmosphere. This is also why they are more into anime than Connor
@@ceasaranthoniozeppeli3854 the more I hear Connor talk about gaming in general and the people who agree with him, the more I remind myself to never play multiplayer games.
as much as i hate playing league of legends, there is genuinely no better feeling than when your whole team is popping off on league and actually playing with team chemistry, even with ransoms. it’s legit 1/1500 games tho
Honestly for me it's the opposite, feels like a waste of time when everyone on your team is just better than their counterpart and hard stomps them. Much better to have close long matches.
@@Shadow-ashlad yeah what the fuck is that other guy tlaking about :D, nothing more boring than stomping the enemy, the best games are those that are super close in which every carry on each team could turn the fight around and a single missed/perfect ability/ulti can win/lose you the fight / the game, and even if you lose the game it was close, challenging and fun, those are the best ones
@@stayskeptic3923 finally, someone who speaks my language. Yes. Competitive gaming is a choice, the vast majority of gamers just want to have fun or be engaged in a game for an extended period of time. Competitive gaming is treating a game like an actual sport, which is fine if you're like a pro player in tournaments, but treating all games like that is why "toxic gamers" are a thing.
True I play league for 7 years but Im super casual with it so I don't get burned out or hate myself. Im like ooo look what they change and the new meta and that's it.
I guess Connor is more into trying to polish your skills as you play while Garnt and Joey just wants something to have something to multitask with that could make them feel like they're doing something productive.
You can only appreciate most rpgs if you care about story and character development. I’ve played league for 6 years and I’ve also played many rpgs. It really takes a different mindset to enjoy each genre, but they’re both great in their own way. I guess we tend to choose the side that we’re most familiar with.
Nah, he's a hypocrite. Talks about competitive gaming and the need to hone his skill to best his opponents(league) but also talks shit about how hard fighting games are and can't beat his opponents there. LMAO....
Ok here's the thing. Every single person engaging in a competitive activity will eventually hit a wall. Even if you are the best in the world you'll eventually hit the wall of never surpassing your past self. Competitive activities can be divided into subsections where rewards are attainable, even if the "end goal" is not, and so can be satisfying basically forever unless your luck is so rough that you don't generate any sufficient reward mechanism in a very long time or just find something that is even more rewarding. You can't be rank #1 at chess? Well, maybe grandmaster, maybe regional winner, maybe just the best among your friends or just a solid 90% winrate against your pet hamster, it can still generate a satisfying result. I am currently trying the league climb and maybe I'll just reach Gold 3 and never have the time or will to put more into improving. But damn if it's not fun wrecking fools in this game, even if you lose, even if you have a sub 50% winrate, those relatively few times when you get in the zone and even go toe to toe with smurfs makes it worth it. The game can start occupying less of your time as you move through life, but it's always enticing enough for just this spicy daily game
Yeah entering the zone is something that can only happen with competitive games for me. Because you're against someone else and that person is pushing you, you enter a state of peak awareness. Which is why I love fighting games because it's that but compressed in a 5-10 min match of constant challenge
Hey, if you know someone with a 90% chess winrate against their hamster, could you ask them to give me some tips? I got a pet rock, and honestly... it's pretty good. I'm not good at League (been Gold 4 pretty consistently; starting this season in Silver), but yeah, there are some games where you feel like you're playing at your best, and the opponent is dead even with you, and you're both looking for an edge, and there's an adrenaline rush that feels great. That's not to say League is perfect, or developing a "League addiction" is justified, but it has its moments, to be sure. While we're at it, I think optimizing a game (mobile games included) can feel kind of fun, at least in that there's some thrill in "solving" it - maybe like figuring out a crazy trick in an open-world, exploration-driven game like Breath of the Wild.
One of the biggest reasons why i like these guys is that they are just like us, they are normal dudes and say whatever they feel which is amazingly what some of us feel, at least that is how it is for me.
@@jandraw Gatekeeping preserves the quality. Part of why the quality of games are on a decline is because of normies flooding the market and so greedy companies target those simpletons. The RPG genre in particular went from paragraphs of text to waypoint simulators.
Gotta agree with Connor. Competitive games are so much fun to keep getting better at and the few times you do push past your limits and get better, it makes the journey so much better and rewarding to me.
But he sucks at fighting agmes. Lol.. that's the most basic/OG competitive gaming there is, and he SUCKS BIG TIME. Even Joey is better at fighting games than him. 😂😂😂😂
I relate to Connor on a deeper level. I understand everything he says. Garnt and Joey are Casual gamers while Connor is a Competitive gamer. Thats so different.
@@RobBroderick44 Yea, players collectively joke its dead. But not really because biggest prizepool in all of esports every year, and playerbase has been constant for sometime now, 700k-800k monthly. Compared to league tho, its nothing. I think the game is boring, albeit extremely competitive. So the playerbase is compact af. No one plays any other games and discussions stay to themselves. There was a twitch chart showcasing this a few years back, but would be too much of a pain to find. xD
As much as I agree with connor, I still prefer playing a good story or also playing a good coop game on a hard difficulty than playing ranked in a competitive game. I just prefer good gameplay with good story.
I actually like both. I like competitive gaming and games with good story. I think these interests coincide actually. I like good stories, so playing competitive games makes me feel like I'm actually in the story tbh. I'm not leveling up my character and progressing, I'm actually getting better myself. Idk if other ppl feel this way, but that's how it is for me.
@@saderen2171 for me its the feeling of being part of the story. Dont get me wrong I love good movies. But a game with 100 plus hours of gameplay and story like for example persona or final fantasy, you meet characters in a whole diffrent way. They feel just more authentic. Well thats of course only the case if its a good written story within a game but that also goes for the movies. I dont know I feel more emotinally attached to if it feels like I interacted with them. Not that I cant feel emotianlly attached with anime, series or movie characters. It just feels diffrent.
I agree with Connor, learning a new skill is actually therapeutic for me too. Where gacha games feel like a less stressful mental break from the world. However I feel guilty playing gacha games. They don't make make me feel proud of how I spent my time. I'm never trying to be the best at something, but I like seeing myself adapt new skills. Which carries over to my ability to adapt skills in other parts of my life. Learning how use a character in a fighting game, gives me confidence to learn how to run a new program at work.
@@pedometer1643 For grinding? Grinding itself isn't fun. It's tedious and repetitive, but people do it because it'll offer some net benefit in the future that can make the game more fun in some aspect later on.
Most people who play league don't play the game for fun, they play it for flexing. And that comes from a guy who is level 228 has a M7 pyke, M6 kayn,Vi and Shen and 10 M5 champions. Man getting higher masteries in this game is so frustrating and annoying. especially when your think you have a good KDA it's never enough for getting a higher mastery. And I barely played any ranked, cause fuck that shit.
@@ayylmao633 you get mastery points and can get S from loss, but you will fall in ranks from others fails. Plus there is some fun to be had in normals, not everyone sweats there, unlike ranked
All three of them know exactly how are they different in their preferences, just that it's sort of hard to understand how it makes sense. Joey's question to Connor asking him how isn't he tired is pretty much my response to Connor too. Connor's words that it doesn't make sense to 'progress' towards a goal without actually progressing definitely shook me though because that's kind of inarguable. Connor is probably just fundamentally logically-oriented. It's hard for even ourselves to pinpoint why exactly we have certain preferences though, it's more of an emotional thing rather than logical. Maybe even Connor's inclination for logic is emotionally-derived somehow. Anyway, it's probably too much to ask for others to really understand our preferences, unless they're hyper-empathic or your preferences intersect.
Bitching and feeling bad about losing a game is objectively the wrong mindset to have. 1. You don't learn and improve. 2. You don't have fun. 3. You get mad over a video game. Be calm and see where you went wrong and what you can do to improve. A loss is just another way to learn the game, and the process of learning is engaging in itself. If you're not okay with losing, don't play competitive shit and go play other co-op games where everyone wins.
I'm on 497 hours rn, can't wait to get 500. And yeah, I recognize that this is a low amount of time in the Skyrim community. Mods just keep me coming back, I'll probably be playing Skyrim 3 years into ES6's release.
I like how comment section is just "oH nO YoU aRe NoT rEaL gAmEr CoZ i DoNt uNdErStAnD/ didN'T hAvE fUn ThAt WaY" like everyone has different opinions and just becoz you disagree with opinions doesn't mean they are wrong
I remember playing tekken in the arcades where i lost a fight was so intense that i high fived the player who won against me because i knew i could beat the guy the next game. I think connor is talking about is the adrenaline rush of self improvement in the game that drives you to play even more to improve while garnt and joey aren't about the rush of a winning/losing game but just something to do when they have nothing to do
Back when I played league religiously like 6 years ago, I remember one game in particular that led me to the path of quitting. It was near the end of an hour long match and it was to the point where the inhibitors on both sides were destroyed. My team got ACED 4 times in a row. We were trying to FF at every opportunity. But somehow, we managed to get a single ace after that. In no more than 10 seconds, the enemy gave up. After that, everyone just immediately left the after game chat. I realized that no one was having fun that game. We were getting aced, but all the fights were taking place near the enemy base. Moral was down on both sides and everyone just wanted the game to end. This was a super close game, but I just felt empty afterwards.
Connor should really get into fighting games. Learning inputs, mental game, adapting and counter picking is fun especially for someone who likes their ass gets beaten (the moment you outplay a guy by not following the meta while using every trick in the book you've learned is hella satisfying)
People don't understand that the challenge of grinding is having the mental fortitude to actually go through with it. I can't do it, my brain just can't generate enough happy juice doing it, and I won't pretend I have or ever will complete any game's achievement collection. I want my twenty minute league sniff and that's who I am
@@JohnYannoulas It kind of depends for me. Small minute repeats are fine for me (like constant dumb parries), but having to just wait or have massive down time (such as EV/IV grinding in pokemon or even just grinding in most turn based rpg's) is something that I can't really get through. It's actually being more involved with the grinding that allows me to do it than more passive grinding.
@@JohnYannoulas Monster Hunter is a gacha game but instead of spending money you spend your sanity. Do the same hunt, over and over and over again trying to get the same thing over and over and over again trying to see if RNG favors you at that moment and gives you what you want.
I did the same thing in KH1 lol. Parry Wakka's ball thousands of times. It's very exciting. The regular ball throws you parry gives you 1xp, but then he does the occasional jump throw which parries gives a WHOLE 2xp for each of those. Fun times.
I'm kinda both of these. I absolutely love competition so I've been playing League for years and years but I also love mindless grinds sometimes which is why I play a lot of MMOs.
Skill is about your control over everything and trying fight over the flow of the situation. Unlike in something like a turn based RPG your control is something you can physically take from the game and is always under threat of being taken. In RPGs once you gain it it can't be taken though.
4:50 "I play games to have fun...not to rage" I mean......... It's quite the hypocrisy if I have to say... Playing competitively is super fun and even if u lose that's just the outcome of having so much fun that ur invested... Grinding feels like shit...it feels like a chore... This never ending loop of doing the same thing over and over again with nothing even remotely a challange
@@pikachubolt2001 I know that...I personally preffer single player more...what I was referring to was the arguement of grinding and my point was that in PvP games even though it's the same map every game feels different while grinding in a pve game is just boring and not fun at all
My prefect gaming experience is my CRT setup for retro games. Whenever I want to play an old game, if possible I will play on it for an authentic experience. For a modern stuff I really want to build a super god tier PC and a 4K display to play modern games both console and pc
For me personally I prefer single-player, non-competitive games with an engaging story over anything else. I just can't see myself sinking hundreds or even thousands of hours into a game like league
Same. When you're playing competitive games or multiplayer there's 0 room for trial and error and it's all the tedium of grinding without actual progression. Also you will always have to deal with assholes who take a dumb game way too seriously for their own good.
Same!! Games like League or MMOs and First person shooters are so mindless to me and have zero appeal. I enjoy action adventure & action RPGs single player games with, most of the time, a linear design and a story to follow. It’s way more of a proper video game experience.
@@galaxy_kitten95 the thing with league is that its so easy to just play a few games or play for a very long time and its just incredibly competetive thus making it a lot more replayable (for lack of a better term) then a singleplayer game. For example i absolutely loved the Witcher 3, but i dont ever play it after finishing it 100%.
I like local multiplayer games where you and your friends learn the game together and are all on about same level. If I'm playing a game alone I like single player narrative games over online competitive games. They have some nice music, some novel game play, and pretty graphics and tend to have a ending. I don't like getting good at online competitive games because I know in a few years down the road no one will be playing that game and I felt like I spent 1000hrs on a useless skill.
I agree with Connor on the challenge part, I always try to challenge myself in games and life whether it be higher difficulties or cooking different dishes.
I have two moods one, to play singleplayer game, imagine myself as the main character and complete the story two, constantly playing competitive games to reach a certain rank
Improving isn't limited to mechanics. I enjoy optimizing builds, strategies and team comps. I like to learn all the game systems and abuse them. Even in league my mechanics are that of a silver player and I play on 180 ping, but I am in plat, just because of macro and item and champ knowledge.
I think speedrunning is fun to a certain threshold for semi-casual semi-challenge-happy players. Going off from what Connor said about minute optimizations, it's just so punishing to have to replay everything up until the place where you made that mistake, it's more monotonous, whereas competitive games aren't monotonous in that way, there's always new things happening both concretely and at a conceptual level, even if there's a ton of familiarity as well.
I miss the PS2 days when I still had the passion to immerse myself into every game I played and live in my own world, now growing up I became numb if the game doesn't have a raked system or not competitive enough for me I don't bother even if it's just pain all the time.
There's a difference between the grind on action RPG or any games where you control a character and gacha and some jrpg. Just like connor said the goal is more on self improvement rather than having big in game numbers. The only time grinding in turn based/jprg is when the story is engaging or when there's a mechanic that makes the gameplay interesting because if not it's just a waste of time.
The best gaming experience for me is just having a comfortable with the bois, just chill than we get to voice chat and talk trash each other's out, but nowadays slightly getting harder to have those time back
My perfect gaming experience is to play a fun game that rewards me with extras by how well I play, not by how much I grind levels for drops or coins, or how much real money I trade for game currency to advance in the game.
Fighting games is the greatest challenge for me because you don't need teammates that will screw you up and ruin the game. You only need to focus on improving yourself to become better and stronger.
The perfect gaming moment is my first Ơ ranked game back in ss1 where i scored a quadra w Bastion and won us the game. And my team was not being toxic at all
I sit at both sides, so no favourites to pick, but Connor's logic is much more consistent, whole "i play for fun" argument deflates when you enter pvp games, theoretically you should be okay with losing 100% of your matches, since you enjoy the process, not the result, but you won't be, cause losing sucks and you want that win
I swear I either agree so much with Connor or I could not disagree harder. This time I agree. League is not a grind and its not the same as speed running. I specifically always have at least 1 multiplayer game to play at a time because it is always a new challenge everytime because of the change in players, etc. Losing is part of the game. To quote a meme, "mission failed. We'll get 'em next time." You lost, but you rise up and play better the next time. Gatchas are just i do things that take up time to get numbers to because the next thing to do requires bigger numbers. There is no skill involved, it barely even occupies the mind. Speedrunning is just masochism. You work hard to do the least amount possible, and you spend 3 months to cut a 10 hour game to 10 minutes. It is insanity, not a new challenge. If i'm going to spend that much time on something that i repeat over and over again, I need to walk away with a a masterpiece, not a clock time.
Connor is right about fighting games. Losing is literally the best teacher. If you don’t like losing in fighting games then that’s just your ego giving you more walls.
Minmaxing and optimizing games I never saw it as not fun since it requires knowledge and some skill to do rather than just arbitrary you play longer so you are better which isn’t always the truth
A perfect gaming experience is just one that doesn't make me not happy when I'm done hence why I just don't do much multiplayer anymore. As for the grind argument I just like the sense of progression towards a goal I've set for myself.
I totally get what Connor is saying. Pvp is a different kind of challenge, constantly changing and varied. Speed running and applying formulas with more accuracy isn't the same kind of challenge.
Damn idk what to comment so i just write some of my favorite games in here: Monster Hunter World ARK Total War Series Horizon Zero Dawn Just Cause 3 Spider Man Far Cry Primal AC 3 and Black Flag And back in the days GTA V, Minecraft and CoD BO2
I always drop any competitive ranking based game in 2/3 months. The longest one I played is probably pubg for a bit over 3 months. They just don't feel rewarding enough for me to continue after enjoying all the mechanics the game had to offer. Though I enjoy watching others play these games on TH-cam.
Then there's those games that mix progression and self-improvement that became so popular on the early 2010's, Agar.io, Cookie clicker, etc, that aren't mechanically challenging and take longer to give you a feeling of stagnation.
The perfect gaming experience is when you you're so immersed in the game that you are oblivious to time and hunger
And your well-being in general 😂
This is what Fire Emblem Three Houses did to me.
That's Monster Hunter for me, I looked at the time, played for a bit, looked at the time again, and its tomorrow.
Fallout has crippled my legs
YES!
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." - Soren Johnson
i bet at least 75% of players in any game would take the boring and efficient way rather than the fun slow way
@@lv100Alice i think that is often because ppl dont want to feel like they get left behind. altough i dont care i take genshin really chill for example, ye u do 200k and my childe is only c0, who cares
Minecraft in a nutshell
Typically what people mean by "fun" is a combination of unpredictable, fast paced, flashy and risky. Personally I get bored very quickly when that's all a game has to offer. I get way more enjoyment out of predictable slower paced and unassuming games where I can figure out how to avoid risks.
This quote annoys me so much because devs often remove the option to have fun my way and instead force me to play with a bunch of unecessary constraints so that I have "fun" their way.
That's just multiplayer games in a nutshell.
Even in competitive fighting games you can main and master different characters.
All three of them enjoy the feeling of progress or seeing improvements, the difference being Connor enjoy's the progress of skills, while Joey and Grant enjoy's the progress of characters. Basically Connor is 'Skills>Gains' while Joey and Grant is 'Gains>Skills'. So if they were to play a game like Dark Souls, Connor would enjoy learning attacks and timeing, while Joey/Grant enjoy Upgrading and improving stats.
Pin thin
'Grant' lmao
Connor is also more intrested in the mechanics of a game and how to get better at it. So hes like competitive and "selfish" when playing games because its all about him beating the game and being better than others. Which is why he prefers multiplayer games and skipping cutscenes. Garnt and Joey prefere immersing them selves with the characters, world and atmosphere. This is also why they are more into anime than Connor
Good point.
if garnt and joey jusy autoplay gatcha games, gl leveling up at all in a souls game
The perfect gaming experience is
when your Dad asks if you are winning
and yes you're actually winning
yes father, i have won
but at what cost?
@@FishInDaToilet sleepless nights and deteriorating mental health? No thanks.
Imagine having a dad
Ah, I see you are also, Roberu fathers.
Mind is just getting trash talk by my dad. Still fun though
I think Connor would like Doom eternal
He has said that he loves Doom and Eternal
Connor: hades
A true man of culture.
Too bad he ignores the story which is half of why that game is so good.
@@Falxifer95 exactly my thought. I love greek mythology so I would never ignore the story.
@@ceasaranthoniozeppeli3854 the more I hear Connor talk about gaming in general and the people who agree with him, the more I remind myself to never play multiplayer games.
Hades is popular but bad. Only good rougelike is isaac.
@@KraljHD dafuq? I mean dont get me wrong I love isaac, but its not the best.
as much as i hate playing league of legends, there is genuinely no better feeling than when your whole team is popping off on league and actually playing with team chemistry, even with ransoms. it’s legit 1/1500 games tho
true tho but most of the time we have a losing bot lane and 0/36/2 mid
Enjoy existential dread 99% of the games bro
Honestly for me it's the opposite, feels like a waste of time when everyone on your team is just better than their counterpart and hard stomps them. Much better to have close long matches.
I play Smite, but the feeling is mutual. Especially when there's always someone who wants to give up after 10 mins
@@Shadow-ashlad yeah what the fuck is that other guy tlaking about :D, nothing more boring than stomping the enemy, the best games are those that are super close in which every carry on each team could turn the fight around and a single missed/perfect ability/ulti can win/lose you the fight / the game, and even if you lose the game it was close, challenging and fun, those are the best ones
The argument here is serious gaming vs casual gaming. You can't really compare the two and say which is better as they target different audiences
@@stayskeptic3923 finally, someone who speaks my language.
Yes. Competitive gaming is a choice, the vast majority of gamers just want to have fun or be engaged in a game for an extended period of time.
Competitive gaming is treating a game like an actual sport, which is fine if you're like a pro player in tournaments, but treating all games like that is why "toxic gamers" are a thing.
League of Legends and gacha games have a lot in common. The people who put the most time and resources into them, hate them the most.
True I play league for 7 years but Im super casual with it so I don't get burned out or hate myself. Im like ooo look what they change and the new meta and that's it.
Well spoken my weeb friend
also going into a game and hoping for teammates with brains is just like rolling the gacha
@@EinManU lmao, true
I guess the rates of playing without toxic people are the same as gacha games
I love the feeling of loving a game so much that when you go to sleep you’re excited to play the game the next day
I haven't felt this way in a long time
@@comkioxd Risk of rain 2 for me. Love that game.
Well, havent felt that for years
Red Dead redemption 2 for me. I like slow burn.
Mount and Blade for me. Rimworld too.
Legit I think they're gonna start hating each other after a dozen more episodes like this lol
I feel like Joey was being immature. I can sense that he was getting triggered in this one.
From my understanding, Connor is into treating video games like a sport, while Garnt and Joey is treating it like watering a house plant.
I mean how dare Joey and Garnt wanting to have fun with a game. Inconceivable!
i feel like its always Joey and Garnt against Connor lmao
The chad Connor vs the virgins Joey and Garnt
Cause Connor likes vanilla while Garnt and Joey like degenerate tags
1:18 Connor out here once again with the best analogies.
Yes. He's a big brain cultured man.
i love that guy no homo
I think I see both sides. Though I prefer a bit of Connor's side
I guess Connor is more into trying to polish your skills as you play while Garnt and Joey just wants something to have something to multitask with that could make them feel like they're doing something productive.
So do you think stories in games are pointless too
Well, those 2 are simply wrong and the weird ones. So yeah. Connor wins
You can only appreciate most rpgs if you care about story and character development. I’ve played league for 6 years and I’ve also played many rpgs. It really takes a different mindset to enjoy each genre, but they’re both great in their own way. I guess we tend to choose the side that we’re most familiar with.
This whole Podcast Episode is basically- Connors opinion goes *Brrr*
And he's always right
@@derekyang8966 wrong*
@@derekyang8966 Except when it comes to story in video games...
He’s pretty right here though, losing is necessary to have more joy while winning, gacha games are mostly mindless progress-substitutions
Nah, he's a hypocrite. Talks about competitive gaming and the need to hone his skill to best his opponents(league) but also talks shit about how hard fighting games are and can't beat his opponents there. LMAO....
I think Connor would love any Souls game (Bloodborne and Sekiro included) and Doom Eternal!
Nah he's gonna quit 15 hours in.
I'm pretty sure he's said he liked Sekiro and Doom.
^
@@alphaamigo9688 Really? Haven’t seen that yet. Do you remember if it was on trash taste or his yt channel??
@@teoscapato1396 I think it was in the Calliope Mori episode, when she brought up Bloodborne.
Ok here's the thing. Every single person engaging in a competitive activity will eventually hit a wall. Even if you are the best in the world you'll eventually hit the wall of never surpassing your past self. Competitive activities can be divided into subsections where rewards are attainable, even if the "end goal" is not, and so can be satisfying basically forever unless your luck is so rough that you don't generate any sufficient reward mechanism in a very long time or just find something that is even more rewarding. You can't be rank #1 at chess? Well, maybe grandmaster, maybe regional winner, maybe just the best among your friends or just a solid 90% winrate against your pet hamster, it can still generate a satisfying result. I am currently trying the league climb and maybe I'll just reach Gold 3 and never have the time or will to put more into improving. But damn if it's not fun wrecking fools in this game, even if you lose, even if you have a sub 50% winrate, those relatively few times when you get in the zone and even go toe to toe with smurfs makes it worth it. The game can start occupying less of your time as you move through life, but it's always enticing enough for just this spicy daily game
Never ever entered the zone in league.
Which is weird I guess. Only happened two times on a different title tho
Yeah entering the zone is something that can only happen with competitive games for me. Because you're against someone else and that person is pushing you, you enter a state of peak awareness. Which is why I love fighting games because it's that but compressed in a 5-10 min match of constant challenge
Hey, if you know someone with a 90% chess winrate against their hamster, could you ask them to give me some tips? I got a pet rock, and honestly... it's pretty good.
I'm not good at League (been Gold 4 pretty consistently; starting this season in Silver), but yeah, there are some games where you feel like you're playing at your best, and the opponent is dead even with you, and you're both looking for an edge, and there's an adrenaline rush that feels great. That's not to say League is perfect, or developing a "League addiction" is justified, but it has its moments, to be sure.
While we're at it, I think optimizing a game (mobile games included) can feel kind of fun, at least in that there's some thrill in "solving" it - maybe like figuring out a crazy trick in an open-world, exploration-driven game like Breath of the Wild.
One of the biggest reasons why i like these guys is that they are just like us, they are normal dudes and say whatever they feel which is amazingly what some of us feel, at least that is how it is for me.
joey and garnt are so casual at games lmao
They should just stick to Anime
@@himanshusori1638 imagine gate keeping video games.
@@jandraw Gatekeeping preserves the quality. Part of why the quality of games are on a decline is because of normies flooding the market and so greedy companies target those simpletons. The RPG genre in particular went from paragraphs of text to waypoint simulators.
@@catzor4795 i gatekeep anime all the time. u justified my reasons ty.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd nobody give a shit
The more I watch this podcast, the more I come to the same realisation :
*Connor just built different*
Connor is Chad
I'm starting to agree with Connor alot
I don’t on certain points
He was right about speed running not being the same. When it comes to games he is the one who makes the most sense.
yet several months later, he became an avid Jump King speedrunner.
Gotta agree with Connor. Competitive games are so much fun to keep getting better at and the few times you do push past your limits and get better, it makes the journey so much better and rewarding to me.
While i do like competitive games i prefer rpgs wayy more
@@stisselux9371 same
But he sucks at fighting agmes. Lol.. that's the most basic/OG competitive gaming there is, and he SUCKS BIG TIME. Even Joey is better at fighting games than him. 😂😂😂😂
As a game designer, I find it very entertaining to see 2 player types going at each other. This is fun
Connor is the only true gamer in this room
yea
facts
I always thought I was the only one but I am so happy Connor and I think RPG games are boring asf!
Tru
@@barbarasantiesteban8946 sad
My boy is just a Jock between two nerds lmao
Thats why they already claim that their the real weebs and connor is a boomer normie...
Ok Joey looks legit pissed at this point, he definitely felt called out lmao
Grinding in jrpg are filler episodes in anime. Patience is also a skill in itself.
Its been firmly stablished that Canur has 0 patience for anything. The way he talks about gaming is as if he needs a constant adrenaline rush.
it just blows my mind every time that connor doesnt like fighting games
I relate to Connor on a deeper level. I understand everything he says. Garnt and Joey are Casual gamers while Connor is a Competitive gamer. Thats so different.
Connor is the EXCLUSIVELY competitive player
Back to monk-e
HOW CAN SOMEONE PLAYING DOTA-LITE BE COMPETITIVE LMFAO
@@stelixhyx808 Serious question : do ppl feel like dota 2 is dead, because when talking about e sports, it is never mentionned ?
@@RobBroderick44 Yea, players collectively joke its dead. But not really because biggest prizepool in all of esports every year, and playerbase has been constant for sometime now, 700k-800k monthly. Compared to league tho, its nothing. I think the game is boring, albeit extremely competitive. So the playerbase is compact af. No one plays any other games and discussions stay to themselves.
There was a twitch chart showcasing this a few years back, but would be too much of a pain to find. xD
connor's a literal sports manga protagonist lmaooo
I can’t unsee it
League is a grind because you learn the game, the meta, improve your skills, and then new update comes and fuck up your learning
As much as I agree with connor, I still prefer playing a good story or also playing a good coop game on a hard difficulty than playing ranked in a competitive game. I just prefer good gameplay with good story.
I actually like both. I like competitive gaming and games with good story. I think these interests coincide actually. I like good stories, so playing competitive games makes me feel like I'm actually in the story tbh. I'm not leveling up my character and progressing, I'm actually getting better myself. Idk if other ppl feel this way, but that's how it is for me.
I can't agree with Connor here but then again I despise competitive gaming and multiplayer in general so I'm biased and can't relate :P
Well, then what's the difference between seeing a movie and playing a good history?
@@saderen2171 for me its the feeling of being part of the story. Dont get me wrong I love good movies. But a game with 100 plus hours of gameplay and story like for example persona or final fantasy, you meet characters in a whole diffrent way. They feel just more authentic. Well thats of course only the case if its a good written story within a game but that also goes for the movies. I dont know I feel more emotinally attached to if it feels like I interacted with them. Not that I cant feel emotianlly attached with anime, series or movie characters. It just feels diffrent.
I agree with Connor, learning a new skill is actually therapeutic for me too. Where gacha games feel like a less stressful mental break from the world. However I feel guilty playing gacha games. They don't make make me feel proud of how I spent my time. I'm never trying to be the best at something, but I like seeing myself adapt new skills. Which carries over to my ability to adapt skills in other parts of my life. Learning how use a character in a fighting game, gives me confidence to learn how to run a new program at work.
I can understand what Garnt is trying to say. I am also a person that likes to see progression in my games.
i dont how the fuck is it fun doing what they do with the so called no risk 100% win ?
Garnt
@@pedometer1643 do u play valorant?? If u do then I c what u mean
@@mazenmohamed4861 i dont but i play cs
@@pedometer1643
For grinding? Grinding itself isn't fun. It's tedious and repetitive, but people do it because it'll offer some net benefit in the future that can make the game more fun in some aspect later on.
They seem a little salty after Connor put them on blast
Joey was getting triggered 🤣. That's what happens when you think your opinions are facts.
Man Connor is SO right on these takes
'No league player would say that' - amen.
Most people who play league don't play the game for fun, they play it for flexing. And that comes from a guy who is level 228 has a M7 pyke, M6 kayn,Vi and Shen and 10 M5 champions. Man getting higher masteries in this game is so frustrating and annoying. especially when your think you have a good KDA it's never enough for getting a higher mastery. And I barely played any ranked, cause fuck that shit.
Why do people care about masteries, doesn't it just indicate how much you play? Isn't ranked just better for flexing?
@@ayylmao633 because it’s something to do than playing 1000 games with no clear sight of improving or just grinding for the sake of it
@@ayylmao633 you get mastery points and can get S from loss, but you will fall in ranks from others fails. Plus there is some fun to be had in normals, not everyone sweats there, unlike ranked
That means you are not that good tho.
Friend picked up Lee and got many s ranks and got pretty fast past 5
@@Mazortan no difference between flex and normal so just play flex
Connor: makes literally any point for his side
Joey: wElL iM SOrY tHAt
Connor needs to play, The Master Chief Collection.
All three of them know exactly how are they different in their preferences, just that it's sort of hard to understand how it makes sense. Joey's question to Connor asking him how isn't he tired is pretty much my response to Connor too. Connor's words that it doesn't make sense to 'progress' towards a goal without actually progressing definitely shook me though because that's kind of inarguable. Connor is probably just fundamentally logically-oriented.
It's hard for even ourselves to pinpoint why exactly we have certain preferences though, it's more of an emotional thing rather than logical. Maybe even Connor's inclination for logic is emotionally-derived somehow. Anyway, it's probably too much to ask for others to really understand our preferences, unless they're hyper-empathic or your preferences intersect.
Bitching and feeling bad about losing a game is objectively the wrong mindset to have.
1. You don't learn and improve.
2. You don't have fun.
3. You get mad over a video game.
Be calm and see where you went wrong and what you can do to improve. A loss is just another way to learn the game, and the process of learning is engaging in itself.
If you're not okay with losing, don't play competitive shit and go play other co-op games where everyone wins.
Garnt: quits after 20 hours
Me who plays skyrim: pathetic
I'm on 497 hours rn, can't wait to get 500. And yeah, I recognize that this is a low amount of time in the Skyrim community. Mods just keep me coming back, I'll probably be playing Skyrim 3 years into ES6's release.
@@Monke-fj2qz i just wish to be alive when ES6 comes out
I like how comment section is just "oH nO YoU aRe NoT rEaL gAmEr CoZ i DoNt uNdErStAnD/ didN'T hAvE fUn ThAt WaY" like everyone has different opinions and just becoz you disagree with opinions doesn't mean they are wrong
I realized the comment section is full of competitive gamers lmao
Gacha is not a game
playing competitive games is like a constant anime training arc, eventually you'll get to the tournament arc if you get really good at game.
Can Connor just stream league of legends in his twitch bruh? Like, cmon
i think he doesn't play the game anymore.
let's be happy for him, lel
I remember playing tekken in the arcades where i lost a fight was so intense that i high fived the player who won against me because i knew i could beat the guy the next game. I think connor is talking about is the adrenaline rush of self improvement in the game that drives you to play even more to improve while garnt and joey aren't about the rush of a winning/losing game but just something to do when they have nothing to do
This is like a discussion between casual gamer vs hardcore gamer lol
Connor: I just like being challenged in my games:
Connor: why is fighting games hard af... Lol
Back when I played league religiously like 6 years ago, I remember one game in particular that led me to the path of quitting. It was near the end of an hour long match and it was to the point where the inhibitors on both sides were destroyed. My team got ACED 4 times in a row. We were trying to FF at every opportunity. But somehow, we managed to get a single ace after that. In no more than 10 seconds, the enemy gave up. After that, everyone just immediately left the after game chat. I realized that no one was having fun that game. We were getting aced, but all the fights were taking place near the enemy base. Moral was down on both sides and everyone just wanted the game to end. This was a super close game, but I just felt empty afterwards.
Connor should really get into fighting games. Learning inputs, mental game, adapting and counter picking is fun especially for someone who likes their ass gets beaten (the moment you outplay a guy by not following the meta while using every trick in the book you've learned is hella satisfying)
Connor: "Why do people grind?"
Me, who grinded off of parry's at destiny island in KH1: "haha...yeah...*sobs*
Can relate. Also grinding Fiora to lvl 99 in Xenoblade 1 before Chapter 2
People don't understand that the challenge of grinding is having the mental fortitude to actually go through with it. I can't do it, my brain just can't generate enough happy juice doing it, and I won't pretend I have or ever will complete any game's achievement collection. I want my twenty minute league sniff and that's who I am
@@JohnYannoulas It kind of depends for me. Small minute repeats are fine for me (like constant dumb parries), but having to just wait or have massive down time (such as EV/IV grinding in pokemon or even just grinding in most turn based rpg's) is something that I can't really get through.
It's actually being more involved with the grinding that allows me to do it than more passive grinding.
@@JohnYannoulas Monster Hunter is a gacha game but instead of spending money you spend your sanity. Do the same hunt, over and over and over again trying to get the same thing over and over and over again trying to see if RNG favors you at that moment and gives you what you want.
I did the same thing in KH1 lol. Parry Wakka's ball thousands of times. It's very exciting. The regular ball throws you parry gives you 1xp, but then he does the occasional jump throw which parries gives a WHOLE 2xp for each of those. Fun times.
I'm kinda both of these. I absolutely love competition so I've been playing League for years and years but I also love mindless grinds sometimes which is why I play a lot of MMOs.
Skill is about your control over everything and trying fight over the flow of the situation. Unlike in something like a turn based RPG your control is something you can physically take from the game and is always under threat of being taken. In RPGs once you gain it it can't be taken though.
4:50 "I play games to have fun...not to rage" I mean......... It's quite the hypocrisy if I have to say... Playing competitively is super fun and even if u lose that's just the outcome of having so much fun that ur invested... Grinding feels like shit...it feels like a chore... This never ending loop of doing the same thing over and over again with nothing even remotely a challange
but they don’t want that challenge so whats the issue?
Wow...grinding seems pretty challenging to you.
Fun doesn't mean it has to be PvP, that's just people's preferences lmao
@@pikachubolt2001 I know that...I personally preffer single player more...what I was referring to was the arguement of grinding and my point was that in PvP games even though it's the same map every game feels different while grinding in a pve game is just boring and not fun at all
Connor Strong, Joey & Garnt weak
Connor big chad
Nah he weak. He can't handle story, Grind and fighting games.
My prefect gaming experience is my CRT setup for retro games. Whenever I want to play an old game, if possible I will play on it for an authentic experience. For a modern stuff I really want to build a super god tier PC and a 4K display to play modern games both console and pc
0:02 As a 10+ year veteran league player I have to say, Connor is completely right.
No League player would ever say that. Not even joking.
i don't like losing but i like the feeling of starting over with a new match in a competitive game because of all the new possibilities
For me personally I prefer single-player, non-competitive games with an engaging story over anything else. I just can't see myself sinking hundreds or even thousands of hours into a game like league
Same.
When you're playing competitive games or multiplayer there's 0 room for trial and error and it's all the tedium of grinding without actual progression.
Also you will always have to deal with assholes who take a dumb game way too seriously for their own good.
Same!!
Games like League or MMOs and First person shooters are so mindless to me and have zero appeal.
I enjoy action adventure & action RPGs single player games with, most of the time, a linear design and a story to follow. It’s way more of a proper video game experience.
@@galaxy_kitten95 the thing with league is that its so easy to just play a few games or play for a very long time and its just incredibly competetive thus making it a lot more replayable (for lack of a better term) then a singleplayer game. For example i absolutely loved the Witcher 3, but i dont ever play it after finishing it 100%.
I have over a thousand hours on League. It's not worth it, I just quit recently.
I like local multiplayer games where you and your friends learn the game together and are all on about same level. If I'm playing a game alone I like single player narrative games over online competitive games. They have some nice music, some novel game play, and pretty graphics and tend to have a ending. I don't like getting good at online competitive games because I know in a few years down the road no one will be playing that game and I felt like I spent 1000hrs on a useless skill.
I agree with Connor on the challenge part, I always try to challenge myself in games and life whether it be higher difficulties or cooking different dishes.
I have two moods
one, to play singleplayer game, imagine myself as the main character and complete the story
two, constantly playing competitive games to reach a certain rank
Improving isn't limited to mechanics. I enjoy optimizing builds, strategies and team comps. I like to learn all the game systems and abuse them.
Even in league my mechanics are that of a silver player and I play on 180 ping, but I am in plat, just because of macro and item and champ knowledge.
I think speedrunning is fun to a certain threshold for semi-casual semi-challenge-happy players. Going off from what Connor said about minute optimizations, it's just so punishing to have to replay everything up until the place where you made that mistake, it's more monotonous, whereas competitive games aren't monotonous in that way, there's always new things happening both concretely and at a conceptual level, even if there's a ton of familiarity as well.
I honestly enjoy grinding. It's fun to do while listening to music, watching youtube, talking with friends, etc.
There is no better feeling than queuing ranked and actually getting competent teammates. Too bad it never happens
I miss the PS2 days when I still had the passion to immerse myself into every game I played and live in my own world, now growing up I became numb if the game doesn't have a raked system or not competitive enough for me I don't bother even if it's just pain all the time.
There's a difference between the grind on action RPG or any games where you control a character and gacha and some jrpg. Just like connor said the goal is more on self improvement rather than having big in game numbers. The only time grinding in turn based/jprg is when the story is engaging or when there's a mechanic that makes the gameplay interesting because if not it's just a waste of time.
The best gaming experience for me is just having a comfortable with the bois, just chill than we get to voice chat and talk trash each other's out, but nowadays slightly getting harder to have those time back
Thats pretty much the most normal thing ?
@@Exel3nce" normal" is somthing hard to find in these trying-time
@@jabaited sure sure but its online so it remains the same as it was
@@BeThomsen When you with your friends, who weren't toxic, online gaming just felt more satisfying
With LoL and DotA it i had a life crippling addiction. I was a college student and half the class always skipped just to play
Same here too brother. What rank are u in dota?
For me its to have a gamer pad with your gamer food being the ultimate gamer in your own place and be the very best like no one ever was
My perfect gaming experience is to play a fun game that rewards me with extras by how well I play, not by how much I grind levels for drops or coins, or how much real money I trade for game currency to advance in the game.
Fighting games is the greatest challenge for me because you don't need teammates that will screw you up and ruin the game. You only need to focus on improving yourself to become better and stronger.
Grind = Time > Skill
Competetive = Skill > Time
The perfect gaming moment is my first Ơ ranked game back in ss1 where i scored a quadra w Bastion and won us the game. And my team was not being toxic at all
I sit at both sides, so no favourites to pick, but Connor's logic is much more consistent, whole "i play for fun" argument deflates when you enter pvp games, theoretically you should be okay with losing 100% of your matches, since you enjoy the process, not the result, but you won't be, cause losing sucks and you want that win
Cornor, My dude. I agree every word you spit out in this conversation
Connor over here with that Goku mindset
kind of have to agree to conar on the loosing being fun part. cause games get boring once you don't loose any more. thou only loosing is also boring
I swear I either agree so much with Connor or I could not disagree harder. This time I agree. League is not a grind and its not the same as speed running. I specifically always have at least 1 multiplayer game to play at a time because it is always a new challenge everytime because of the change in players, etc. Losing is part of the game. To quote a meme, "mission failed. We'll get 'em next time." You lost, but you rise up and play better the next time. Gatchas are just i do things that take up time to get numbers to because the next thing to do requires bigger numbers. There is no skill involved, it barely even occupies the mind.
Speedrunning is just masochism. You work hard to do the least amount possible, and you spend 3 months to cut a 10 hour game to 10 minutes. It is insanity, not a new challenge. If i'm going to spend that much time on something that i repeat over and over again, I need to walk away with a a masterpiece, not a clock time.
I hope they read the comments on this batch of videos
Connor is right about fighting games. Losing is literally the best teacher. If you don’t like losing in fighting games then that’s just your ego giving you more walls.
Every time Connor argues with them i agree with him
I find optimizing and minmaxing hella fun, both gacha and shit like Dark Souls lmao
Minmaxing and optimizing games I never saw it as not fun since it requires knowledge and some skill to do rather than just arbitrary you play longer so you are better which isn’t always the truth
@@bonsai4658 ye, exactly my man
@@bonsai4658 especially in gacha where a lot of time you don't have the same set up as others, so you can't really just copy them
Connor should play Starcraft , No toxic , No team RNG , Real challenge.
Don't worry Connor! Your not the only one who plays games for those reasons. I have had almost the exact same conversations with my friends before.
A perfect gaming experience is just one that doesn't make me not happy when I'm done hence why I just don't do much multiplayer anymore. As for the grind argument I just like the sense of progression towards a goal I've set for myself.
I totally get what Connor is saying. Pvp is a different kind of challenge, constantly changing and varied. Speed running and applying formulas with more accuracy isn't the same kind of challenge.
Damn idk what to comment so i just write some of my favorite games in here:
Monster Hunter World
ARK
Total War Series
Horizon Zero Dawn
Just Cause 3
Spider Man
Far Cry Primal
AC 3 and Black Flag
And back in the days GTA V, Minecraft and CoD BO2
As a fellow league player i just want to say, having fun in league is the most funniest jokes i've ever heard.
Agreed.
When Connor said " *Fuck off, no League player would ever say that.* " , it was like he truly spoke for all of us.
Blue Dragon... Christ... the multiple discs...
0:33 Goooood fuckin answer bud.
our guy connor just being passionate about league...love to tha guy :')
I always drop any competitive ranking based game in 2/3 months. The longest one I played is probably pubg for a bit over 3 months. They just don't feel rewarding enough for me to continue after enjoying all the mechanics the game had to offer. Though I enjoy watching others play these games on TH-cam.
Losing league is a waste of 40 mins but winning a game is like a direct adrenaline shot
League is a drug, and it also gives you the toxicity drug.
This is so funny, but at the same time its not even a joke lol
says 'no im not weird' proceeds to say the craziest shit ive ever heard
Then there's those games that mix progression and self-improvement that became so popular on the early 2010's, Agar.io, Cookie clicker, etc, that aren't mechanically challenging and take longer to give you a feeling of stagnation.