They say this bc they think christians are white supremacists, when the majority of christians are actually black (Africa is mostly christian). Which is also why actual white supremacists want to destroy christianity because they see it as a "black" religion (they don't understand the concept of a universal religion).
@@qwerty_L do you think greeks aren't white ? Because if greeks are white, then Jesus would be white, since all of the northern parts of the middle east are what westerners would call greek-like.
Whenever I debate an atheist and I hear the word "Sky daddy" or "Magical friend in the sky" coming out of his mouth, I instantly stop taking anything he says seriously.
People who think God will give them anything effortlessly simply because THEY want to. 😆 And absolutely, God's protecting women from this man until he realizes what he's doing (presuming he was being serious, of course).
You kind of can though? If your wife says she loves you but cheats on you and is never home, constantly deriding you and manipulating you, you can have some assurance that her claim of love is untrue. If she listens, is there, is affectionate, and shows her love your faith in her love can be determined by the evidence. That's the point.
@@LuxMachaera Someone can cheat and still love someone. It's incredibly stupid and destructive, but love is very personal and hard to quantify. You can also have an attentive and caring partner that doesn't truly love you, but feels obligated to do these things.
@@LuxMachaera But that's not scientific. That's a case study at best. That's the point of the argument. Science investigates LAWS OF NATURE. A single individual's emotions and dedication isn't a proper subject of scientific inquiry. You can only understand it by faith.
I also feel like they've never actually been really sick or have had a migraine. I had a long talk with one about this, about what if his kid ever gets really sick, and he didn't have a good answer for that. basically their faith has never been tested, as long as science or their own willpower work for them. (belief in nothing, vs belief in one's self)
@@chancepaladin funny how I've been really sick a few times. Still no need for your god. Husband was really sick too, no need for god for him. Why bother with an imaginary being that does nothing, C? I watch christians suffer and die repeatedly, and no god saves them.
Someone tell her that studies were done where old men were given testosterone and they became LESS religious, not more, which would explain why women are generally more religious than men up until now (I think women in Gen Z are no longer more religious than the men which is disturbing. Now I haven’t done a lot of research into this-I don’t feel like I can handle it-but I’m not sure if that means that women in my generation are becoming complete secular materialistic atheists or if it just means they don’t follow any particular organized religion but still might believe in things like ghosts and the supernatural. Still)
Whenever I hear people say Christianity opposes science I remember that the study of genetics was started by a Catholic priest but the Soviet Union declared genetics a pseudoscience.
Never mind all the times Christianity has historically and currently opposes scientific predictions and findings. Outright killing blasphemers who disagree with the church. Problem today is “Christianity” describes such a large range of beliefs, all converging on “Christ”, that Christian groups widely disagree on what science they should accept or reject.
@@bogdanov2395Russia's supposedly had the best stem workers, yet they had to steal American ideas for nuclear weapons, and they never made it to the Moon. R.i.p. Yuri grigoryan, or however you spell it
Claiming Christians sing about faith because they're insecure about it is like saying the only reason to listen to music is to confirm your biases. Like no one has ever listened to music for any reason other than to indoctrinate themselves. Its absurd.
if they believed that argument, do they have anything to say about people who listen to rap about glorifying sex, drugs and gang violence? wonder what music they listen to
@@leonardticsay8046 exactly. Science and Religion don’t always need to contradict. Did RZ ever tell you that the man who hypothesized the Big Bang was a Catholic priest?
@@CliffCardibruh, science was made by Christianity. You probably should rely on the word of christ over science though. I'd recommend reading Tertullian on heresy for the full argument why.
the more I read old books on Christian doctrine the more I realize that the idea of reason being opposed to religion is an utter lie. I grew up my whole life being told that Christians are thoughtless, fearful automatons who hate anyone who thinks freely and believes that reason is their enemy when that could not be further from the truth. I hope more people will some day sit down and read the works of Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine among many others who crafted the doctrine that our societies are founded on to this day. Atheists constantly proclaim a love of knowledge and wisdom but I see people who believe in some religion have a greater hunger for knowledge.
Never mind the vast number of times the Christian Church has made a claim based on personal revelation or the Bible and had to backpedal every time we applied the more rigorous method of scientific inquiry to the question. How do the planets move? Earth is center! Nope Sun is center. Blaspheme, kill the heathen! How old is Earth? About 6k. Umm actually no. Geology, Human Anthropology, Archeology, Biology, Physics all show this to be false. The world was submerged under water! Actually nope, can show it with the most fundamental basics of Geology. Oh it was just a local flood then! Adam and Eve, nope, Human Genome project crushed that. They are possessed by DEMONS!!!!!! Seizures, and mental conditions. God saved me from my heart failure! Nope, that was your surgeon with a dozen helpers and a hundred + years of medical science. Then there are the internal problems. God is love! “A man can sell his own daughter into permanent slavery, to be passed down to descendants as inheritable property.” God is love!! Literally commits Genocide. God is love!!! Creates the circumstances by which billions of conscious souls will suffer for all eternity.
It's funny that she claims Christians are insecure for going to church but made an entire account where she just bitches about people believing something she doesn't
Joined Aug 20, 2023 the video was made Aug 1, 2023 you made an account just to hate on atheists. you are the definition of hypocrite. what makes you any different than that other account? did god tell you to make a youtube account 🤣
23:29 As someone who is really into archeology, I can confirm that Jericho is not a good objection to Joshua's account. The site was destroyed and rebuilt literally so many times that we cannot even say for sure which destruction belongs to which time. The particular destruction he talks about in the post occured about 1500 BC, which has nothing to do with Joshua's destruction which would have actually occured around 1200 BC. Additionally, while Jericho itself cannot be used to either fully disprove nor directly prove Joshua conquered it, there are other cities which Joshua conquered which have been excavated in recent years, which fit surpringly well with Joshua's account, namely Hazor... A city which Joshua conquered and burned down. What archeologists found there was remains of massive fire being set on the city around 1200 BC and all the pagan idols in the city being purposely dismembered and destroyed... Something no other ancient culture but Israel would have done.
Good explanation. Dr. David Falk covers evidence for the exodus and the conquest of Canaan on his channel Ancient Egypt and the Bible if one's looking to learn more
Oh I get it. The 1500BC number is for the wall. Which is possible that God aged it. They have found more recent pottery and stuff at the site of Jericho.
Something very interesting to note is that the majority of self-proclaimed atheist specifically only bash Christianity, but are respectful of most other religions.
Because they are afraid when the brown man with a beard starts yelling. Either because they are afraid of being racist or because they think they going to be beheaded.
I would assume most western atheists live in countries where Christianity is the dominant religion so it's probably the religion they come into contact with the most.
as an atheist myself, a lot of these accounts are people who clearly don’t have a real understanding of religions. it’s unfortunate how these voices represent us in the same way that fundamentalists are used to represent all christians.
The difference is that Fundies and non Fundies are using the same texts, dogmas, and adherence to certain doctrine where as, I'm sure your aware, atheists do not. That's why they tend to get grouped together. There is nothing tying atheists together, such as doctrine, scripture, or tradition. So to group atheists together as one would religious adherents is a mistake.
@@whatwecalllife7034Only half truth, Catholics dislike Baptists as much as atheists do, and disagree with them in so many things it is only not a different religion by technicalities.
@@whatwecalllife7034 exactly, atheist is a blanket term that describes such a wide variety of people. i don’t hate religion, i enjoy learning about it, which is why I watch this channel sometimes
@@boxofturtles761 Yep, and just like that there is a difference between two atheists 😆. I would consider myself to be an atheist who is also igtheist and anti theism. I despise religion because not only is it not demonstrably true, it has typically caused harm that could have otherwise been avoided, and it's taught TO CHILDREN as if it were true. It's actually quite insidious and ingenious due the the naive and gullible nature of children. That being said, I don't think that religion will ever go away as long as humans exist but it can be diminished.
7:55 I think that the counterargument is "Someone can rape, murder but not steal and believe he deserves more of heaven that those who rape, murder and steal". Sin is sin, and you don't decide what are the consequences of it. Every one has sinned and everyone is deserving of hell. The fact that you don't recognize your own sin doesn't mean you don't have it.
I'd just like to add a counterargument too for the caption at the bottom that reads: "And we wonder why federal prisons are crammed with Christians" 1. The anti-theist cannot rule out the possibility of conversion in those numbers (citation needed). Furthermore, there aren't really a lot of good numbers on the religiosity of inmates. Furthermore, some religious groups are over-represented according to their actual population in the US. 2. One can apply the same logic to black people. "And we wonder why federal prisons are crammed with black people." Maybe an atheist would be logically consistent with that view and agree that black people are predisposed to crime. But I doubt the poster would.
@@Elioc-ed6wrwhat the fuck are you on I never thought statics Based on things which have nothing to do with atheism means I have to have a consistent logic regarding fucking statics on convicted black criminals like do hear yourself
I challenge you to react to some Christian and anti-atheist memes as well. There is plenty of bad ones the same way there are plenty of atheist bad memes.
It’s funny that people mention Galileo when 1) He still remained Catholic, and 2) The Church held his teachings as theory because his theory could not be proved at the time, and 3) The only reason he was put in house arrest was because he attacked a priest that didn’t agree with his teachings.
If you need help with faith in an easily digestible format I would recommend Inspiring Philosophy. The guy has numerous arguments for God as well as addressing many problems people bring up, Redeemed Zoomer is more of a theology guy while IP is as the name suggest focuses on philosophy/science/history.
@@FRodriguez_ Nope. Why should I leave the Church established by Christ? Also, I warn you: Keep barking at the RCC, start calling us "idolaters" and accuse us of a work-based salvation and I will humiliate you.
I'm atheist, but i beleive that we should respect each others beliefs and try to understand each other rather than find the wittiest comeback to an argument. a better world would be the cooperation between two groups rather than trying to prove people wrong, and above all i think being civil is very important.
Ironically they claim to be intellectual, yet 90%+ of their arguments have been debunked and answered thousands of times and they choose not to believe thwm
I guess that's a fair conclusion to come to... for just 4 examples... on a Christian's channel... you think there might be a bit of survivorship bias in your conclusion?
@@cediviannareeda4305 this Christian channel sure has a lot of vehement anti Christian atheists in the comments, but sure, the conclusion that atheists are evangelical is totally the result of observing a single biased video
@@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216 I'm sorry, are you seriously saying looking at a single video and the comments under it is an unbiased and thorough examination of the opposing side? Welcome to the internet I guess, I hope you're enjoying what's clearly your first day here. The former Christians - now Atheists - that don't care about religion anymore obviously won't be watching this video, much less leaving comments.
@@cediviannareeda4305 you went from "atheists aren't evangelical and the idea that they can be is a conclusion reached from a single biased video" to "not every single athiest is evangelical" have you ever heard of 'shifting the goalposts' by any chance?
@@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216 please point to the exact place I said “all Atheists aren't evangelical” in the sense that none of them are passionate about Religion's place in the world, and then point to what OP said, and then point yourself to what it actually means to shift the goalposts, as well as what survivorship bias is. And finally, point your impotent argument elsewhere, because I'll be talking to Christians who actually care about understanding things and convincing me, not just digging their heels in about stupid Atheist stereotypes
Common atheism is mostly just anti-christianism, they literally find their identity in the rejection of God, spending hours or days of their life dedicated to attacking something they don't wanna believe. In a godless universe this would be highly irrational behavior.
My goodness holy shit tell me you never actually talked with an atheist without telling me no most atheists don't spend their time debunking or debating the existence of God no most of us just try to live our lives and "common atheism" isn't a thing neither is atheism anti-christianism which makes no sense what it seems your trying to address is western atheism which itself is a vague term because this doesn't address the fact that there are ex-musilm atheists and atheists from other backgrounds other than Christianity and no atheists don't make their identity "rejecting god" we simply don't believe in God not reject him and isn't the entirety of our identity
because some believe that religion causes harm to others and it directly effects our lives as most people are religious. Plenty of theists ground their entire identity in proving their god to be real. What's the difference here?
@@Dock2841. As RZ said, religion may have caused some harm in the past but the 20th century was the most bloody century and most of the deaths were caused by seculars who completely forsook religion, so secularism isn't much better. 2. The most common favourite colour is blue; that doesn't mean it has an effect on the life of someone whose favourite colour is red. People may be theists but that shouldn't matter too much. Just get over people having different beliefs and do something more important than attacking them for it. 3. Some theists do ground their identity in proving that God is real but they don't then go on to attack other people's beliefs the same way that atheists do. Leading atheists like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins all clearly have an agenda against religion but you don't see a Christian leader going on to constantly attack non-Christians, do you?
Personally, I don't like saying Christians "invented" science, as the anceint Greeks and Egyptians did technically engage in some primative science. I like to say the Christians invented the modern sciences. Am I wrong in saying that?
You would be correct in that statement, but the person commonly attributed to making the scientific method is Christian and Christians were the founders of the most prestigious universities.
Well you are kind of wrong but not entirely. Greek and Egyptian science was heavily tied to mythology and mythicism. Christianity was the one that truly seperated the rational works of God and how he created things with Order and laws.
I'm an atheist, and I very much appreciate your content. Sadly, most atheists that I encounter are really anti-theists. If you're intellectually honest, you can't hold contempt for a being that you don't believe exists. Although I remain unconvinced on the theological front, it's hard to deny the secular benefits of Judeo-Christian culture and values. Even if the premise can't be proven, the results are good.
Hi there I have a message especially for you. I've heard many biographies of people who lived in the past who read the Bible and studied the Bible with the aim of proving that Jesus wasn't God. The more they read and the more they study the more they realised that Jesus was and still is God. In other words, they became believers and by becoming believers they received the Holy Spirit, so they were saved. Saved from eternal punishment. Punishment which all unbelievers are going to realise that they have received when they die. This is why you need God. God doesn't force anyone to obey him. When you receive the Holy Spirit you actually desire to do what he wants you to do, as written in the Holy Bible. God is love. God loves you. He wants you and all humanity, to be part of his family. Family? "Our Father who art in heaven" Please have a rethink about your future. Today's headlines were prophesied more than 2,000 years ago. What that means is: We're expecting Jesus to return very very soon. God says: "I set before you life or death. Choose life." Your next breath could be your last breath. Please go your local Baptist church at 11:30 a.m. and tell them that you would like to be born again please. You've got 2 choices: Choose to disbelieve continually and end up in the lake of fire? or Choose life? So what will it be! Jesus stands knocking at your door. Will you let Him in?
When this country was founded, there were many Christian countries and they sucked. What made the USA great was the Enlightenment philosophy of the Founding Fathers. Yet theists always try to take the credit claiming 'our judeo christian values". Nonsense.
Keep searching. Check out a couple books, “A Case for Christ” written by Lee Strobel and “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek. The Bible is coherent throughout and has the most manuscripts of any ancient writing. It’s historically accurate and corroborated at times by other ancient civilizations. The facts are there, it’s just a matter of receiving them. Faith is not belief without evidence. It’s belief in something unseen moving forward based on evidence of what has been laid out before. It’s trusting that God is still Who He says He is.
@@suserman7775 Although the world has seen a vast improvement in governance since the revolution, I'd argue that the countries with jc roots were well ahead of most in terms of human rights and standards of living. English Common Law was the best in the world, at the time.
@@Cozitto I think the most interesting one that I've read lately was "Euler's A Defense of the Revelation Against the Objections of Freethinkers". I've watched a fair amount of Frank Turek on TH-cam. Sadly, I can't say that I've gotten much from him. His approach seems more like winning debate points, and slamming unprepared college kids, than addressing underlying concerns. I'd like to see him in a less adversarial context, more like a Dennis Prager conversation.
It's really a flawed view by atheist and indirectly, by some Protestants. If you believe that all you need is faith, then it does not matter whatever you do here on earth. As long as you believe that Jesus died for us.
@@chimeremnmaozioko17yeah, but, you know the thieves on the cross? One of them said, “Hey, Jesus, if you’re really the Son of God, show me your magic, take me off the cross man!” But the other thief said, “You fool! He’s the Son of God, innocent blood right there. Jesus, can you remember me in heaven?” And Jesus didn’t say, “No man, you need to be baptized, you need to preach, you need to do all these things, and then I can take you to paradise with me.” No, He said, “Surely, I tell you, today, you will come to paradise with me.” The thief didn’t have to do any works, he only had to believe.
@BelieverInGod0 The Bible(or at least its translations) say today, you will be with me in paradise. Did the Bible tell us that Jesus went to Heaven that day??
@BelieverInGod0 you also forget that the thief was not previously a Christian or frankly righteous, considering he was getting crucified. He basically repented of his sins at his last moments of death. He was truly contrite for his sins. It's quite different from those who believe in Christ, treat their neighbors like shit, then at the last moments of their death they might say the sinner's prayer or sth like that, but they aren't truly contrite. You tell me if it's the same as the thief on the cross.
Also, mankind is a rationalizing animal. Not a rational one, I bet if you outright showed her the evidence she would just rationalize it away in one regard. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it mentality.
The issue with the soviet and maoist argument is that you assume the things they committed were because of their atheism which is simply not the case. Stalin and Hitler both had moustaches so does that mean their moustaches caused them to kill so many people?
A fair point, but a lot of evils were made in Stalin’s regime in name of anti-theism? Surely you know of his persecution of the church right? Also the lady who wrote him that song.
@@bipbap300 The point however is not to say atheist are bad, just that the argument for religious people being bad is stupid, and this point just demonstrates that (even within their logic it makes no sense)
It wasn't atheism, Marxist Secularism was a dialectic faith. Lenin and Stalin knew that they couldn't take away Christianity and other Religions from the people, so they replaced it with their own Religion. This is why there was so much death, the state was trying to convert the proletariat masses to this new Religion which demanded supreme loyalty to the state and the leaders. This is very oversimplified but if you want more insight I'd watch a video from a channel called TIKhistory called "The cult many are in but don't realize".
@@lothara.schmal5092 anti-theism is an irrational, faith-based ideology that looks suspiciously like the very thing it seeks to refute. This is coming from someone with a strong dislike for religion. Atheism is a philosophical position on the existence of gods.
The second person reminded me of someone I was talking to on reddit that claimed to be an atheist and rational and how irrational Christianity is. I talked back and forth where we each had long comments and they made some comment that did not quite square with being an atheist with some sort of rational, empiricist view of the world. I took a look at their comment history and they were very deep into demonolatry, it was just very, very weird as I generally assume a specific type of hyper-materialist atheist when someone self claims atheism and critisizes the rationality of the Bible and this person was engaging in some very weird rituals and seemed to completely believe in the spiritual, just some super evil stuff.
Something similar happened with an instructor at my HVAC program. He like to spout his anti-Christian stuff on breaks and we would discuss because we both thought it was fun. He made all the same “intellectual” arguments and when I pushed him on some things: “I’m not an atheist, I practice Palo.” Ok, so you ridicule Christianity and make fun, but you make animal and human bone and blood sacrifices to demons, cool. His response was, “I’ll believe in what can shut my door when I ask.” Well leave me out! Jesus!
@@sunburst1889 They were 100% worshipping Satan I agree, though even one who is not directly practicing rituals meant for worshipping and controlling demons, and is "merely" professing their belief that there is no spiritual world and no God, is also worshipping Satan. I just found it odd that they specifically referred to themselves as an atheist and most of their arguments were about the irrationality of the truth claims of the Bible. That and other comments they made when we were talking made them feel like a typical hyper-materialist/empiricist internet atheist rather than a person who believes in a spiritual world but is just directly playing for the wrong side in the spiritual war. The stuff they had in their comments, and many of them were after our conversation as I went to check up on them as I have been praying for them, did not seem like the goofy pretend Satanism that some Atheists do to troll Christians (which is no less Satanism than this, but it is clear those people do not believe their own nonsense) but rather that they sincerely believe that what they are doing has power.
@@skyorrichegg I'm yes to that, someone who says they don't believe in Satan but worship themselves are already worshiping Satan. Also a lot of satanist/ athiest target Christianity other than any other religion, because they know Christianity is the truth, They can't hide from the truth it will find them just like how God finds us. It's good we pray for them athiests cause God works fast fr spreading the gospel is saving others not ourselves
“Holy roller” gives me a chuckle, also it originally referred to specific denominations of Christianity (Methodists) and was Flanderized to refer to Christians in general.
Being completely kind to the arguing atheists makes them Really mad, and i think its because they want you to be angry so that they can say they are justified. But because they are howling and yelling at someone who is kind and calm, it makes *them* look irrational
As a Christian, the question about the cross and the flood actually come across my mind more often than it should. I’m very interested in listening to your explanation
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 The one posed by the atheist account: If Jesus dying on the cross to save us was the plan all along, why did God make the flood?
@@manshenriksson Good plans are never done spur of the moment. Certain things have to happen and be in place for a good plan to be set off. That time had not come, so anything that would stop that plan coming to fruition would have to be eliminated. This is also the reason why the Jews were so protected by God, and so many rules applied to them.
Without things like the flood and the old covenant we wouldn’t understand as well why Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary or see how great of a gift it actually is.
Great video man!! I'm glad that you reminded me that as Christians we are supposed to conduct ourselves respectfully and not get into fights and arguments, I find that kind of hard i must admit and is definitely something that i struggle with
Same. The number of discord servers I have been banned from for this particular reason is insane. I think I could do a better job preaching if I stopped letting the atheists of these servers gaslight me into argument. I hope you also work to fix this issue alongside me.
@@yarnicles4616 it's just incredibly hard to have a genuine conversation with someone who's being disingenuous. But I agree we must be the bigger man!!
Well, we are supposed to get into arguments. They just need to be civil arguments, or as some would call them, discussions, as opposed to heated arguments.
@@Bloxwie 1. Bad things happen because PEOPLE do them. You can't have free will without the potential for people to do bad things. (This is a very quick and rough answer to what in theology is called "the problem of evil" and if you or anyone else really wondered about it in good faith, there are hundreds of hours of better answers you could find. Start with Aquinas and go from there) 2. This is a simple matter of understanding what "axiom" means. Roughly, first principles, or working from a common definition. God is eternal and immaterial, so looking for material, temporal evidence of an eternal, immaterial God makes no sense. It is self-explanatory from the definitions. It's like asking for a 4-sided triangle, and then saying "well I guess geometry doesn't exist!"
@@billyumbraskey8135 what about things that are outsite of human's power like disease, mental conditions and genetic diabilities? and if you look at it at on a grand scale, god already the start and the end of the universe, so he planned every single evil thing in the world. why would he do that?
@@billyumbraskey8135 also about the evidence of god, if god is all loving of its people why cant he make it clear to us, and what about the peolle who will never hear about chrstianity like tribal people, they deserve to go to infinite hellfire because an religion across the world from them doesnt reach them? why would he let half of humanity in hell just because he dont want to make it clear that he exist and he wants worship?
@@Bloxwie it is clear. if you ask God to come into your heart *IN GOOD FAITH* He will. the problem is you, not God. You are in a state of rebellion, and devotion to your own ego and intellect, demanding things of God to satisfy your petty human desires. You (and every atheist in this state) have it backwards: you ought to be searching for how to serve God. All the questions you are asking have answers, you just don't bother to honestly seek them out. You want to use them as a dunk on me, as a gotchya to weaponize against other people of faith, instead of actually doing the work of studying the Bible and the many thousands of philosophers and theologians who have them. As far as disasters and disease, who can understand the will of God? No one, really. We are not meant to be invulnerable or to live forever. This is again sort of a dishonest approach. Another way of asking thse same questions is "why does fire burn?" "Why can't we breathe water" or other axiomatically silly things. Butthe real problem is in how these are being asked. Not in good faith, searching for truth, but in a way to demand a satisfaction of your limited human intellect and when that standard can't be met, "welp! no God!" There would neverbe an answer good enough. I can't give you thousands of years of theology and philosophy in a youtube comment. You have to do the work if you really want to know. If you're just trying to come up with "gotchyas" then congratulations, you got me! Wow! You did it! You solved the oldest and most pressing questions of philosophy in a youtube comment! Impressive. LMFAO
Funny how you selectively choose what rules to follow and what rules to disregard, typical Theist hypocrisy. Hates porn but watches it. Hates Liberalism and ''duh secular world'' but buys stuff from Amazon and goes to restaurants. Okay bro
@@Bassmachine227 What are these arguments of yours? Conceptually, it is impossible to positively disprove that God exists, because any evidence you employ to reach that conclusion could simply have been manufactured by God. God’s existence is unfalsifiable.
I don't think "the burden is on atheists to explain why they're right and everyone else is wrong". If someone were saying "it is true that no deities exist", I would agree, but a common atheist position is "I don't believe in any deities" without asserting the nonexistence of deities. I can't prove that god doesn't exist, just like I can't prove that aliens don't exist. And just because most societies believe in deities, it doesn't mean that it's true or that atheists should too.
Once again I'm offering to have a conversation on discord for a video as a leftist atheist. I don't aim to poke holes in your religion, but ask questions about claims like "lack of religion causes violence and chaos". I think we could have a very interesting talk
Something I've never understood from atheism is how they seem to be intrinsically linked to demonology. Several of those memes had such iconography, and that was another question I've asked in the past and not got an answer. I understand that being a satanist is completely different then an athiest, but the venn diagram seems to have them both occupying some similar spaces. And I've wondered from an athiest standpoint if most of them are against the demon iconography, or if it's just a biproduct of being self empowered. ex the meme of baphomet and demon horn insta filter, etc.. and then on the second example, "I was only able to summon one demon with tarot cards" .....
Some real irony... LeVay Satanism was really just hedonism in disguise. He didn't believe in anything "after", and that the current life should be enjoyed to the maximum. He taught that people lived for themselves, and that their own happiness was paramount. Later in life, he regretted "going off message" so much with the shock-value stuff.
Probably a combination of wanting to anger Mom & Da….. I mean Christians (from my understanding most “Satanism” is really just an Atheist kayfabe), and trying to find spiritual meaning in life after leaving Christianity. At least that’s probably what they would explain it as, who knows what’s happening in the spiritual realm
I think it is either just a coincidence or a way to provoke a response (basically to troll). We shouldn't loop all atheists in with demonology or Satanism like that.
@@junothepeasant Not looping them all in, saying based on the references provided, it was a common theme. Even if it's a troll, which it could likely be, it's still weird (multiple, unassociated trolls on a common theme?). Maybe pandering to a second audience? But even if that's the case, it appears to be a connection or at a minimum, a perceived kinship. But why? The belief in nothing, vs the belief in one's self. They seem incompatible and I've often wondered if there's either a disassociative disorder or a cognitive sociopathy component. A void that begins to be filled by .. something. How do you reinforce a strong devotion to nothing. You repeat the nothing, over and over, and I guess, hope it doesn't fill up with something else. The universe finding an empty vessel.
Even as an agnostic atheist this video is pretty funny but I don't know if I should cry or laugh because of what sites like Reddit have done to the reputation atheists in the eyes of many
I remember I went to a Midwest cowboy church with my friend a few times for Sunday service. The pastor greeted us immediately and asked what denomination I believed in and I told him the truth at the time: being I’m agnostic. He welcomed me in like an old friend with open arms and a firm handshake despite our differences. There was also a breakfast area where the food costs money but they let us eat for free despite the fact we didnt have the same beliefs. That and other experiences with Christianity makes me know that as a Christian or not. You have to admit Christian’s are among the nicest group of people you can meet
Aside from being offered a comprehensive understanding of the Gospel, I think the best way to change the mind of people like these is to take them traveling around the globe, meet lots of new people and cultures and hear lots of different stories. The intricate beauty of the world is what specifically leads me to God.
@unitedstates1134 you say as if no atheists or agnostic have been to any part of the world or different cultures and beauty as far as we know it is a subjective human experience and you say as if it make lead them specifically to the christian god who not any other god then
I wouldn't say beauty is a universal solution. In my agnostic days I witnessed a lot of beauty with little effect. In my case, God used evil to save me, using it to show me the hollowness of a materialstic morality (which I have to to believe is really a contradition) and by contradition the truth of his word.
@@miguelatkinson Seeing the beauty and intricacy of the world will (hopefully) lead them to God, and we need them to *at least* believe in a God before we can convince them that the Christian God is the true God.
DUDE I had a 3 day argument back and forth with the “i am atheist girl” account on the Threads app😂 I tried being charitable but she was so dull yet arrogant.
Tell atheist girl that studies show that when old men were given testosterone they became LESS religious, not more, I wonder how she will react to that 😅. How would she feel if she knew she has a lot of testosterone for a woman…
as a christian going into a field of science when im older, i really hate and dont understand the seperation of science and religion, science and religion gotta be two of the most related things on earth man
Religion was literally created and still exists to this day to explain what was and is still unexplainable. As we’ve learned more about our world and the universe, the less we needed religion to give us those answers. Of course religion still exists today because there are still many questions we can’t answer with science such as the creation of the universe. Those that try to separate science and religion don’t understand why religion fundamentally exists to begin with.
@@Sunny92809also people don’t have a lot of testosterone to snap them out of it: research shows that when old men were given testosterone they became LESS religious, not more, which would explain why women are generally more religious than men. Personally I don’t have a problem with it and I think it’s totally natural and kind of cute when women believe in these things. Secular women who don’t believe in anything supernatural however…
It’s so annoying when atheists say that science disproves Christianity. Science demonstrates how the world works, it does not in any way explain why things are the way they are. Science is simply a gift from God to helps us understand his beautiful creation.
I know a few catholics that do not believe in evolution, but I do, as I do not think everything in the bible should be taken in an extreme literal way.
@@jacobinator4981the bible was written in the way that many stories were at the time, and it was considered cultured to reference events in examples through mythical tales. The bible tells real events in a mythical way
33:23 As a Catholic Zoomer, this whole conversion meme always gets me laughing. I'd take it as a compliment for how good you are in bringing Christians with different backgrounds together. PS: you're fine as a presby too!
can you explain why to become catholic(currently christian)? lots of what the church preaches is unbiblical the way i understand it. The bible says to forbid marriage is demonic(1timothy 4), but the priests are banned from it. The bible says that we should never make images of the lord(10 commandments), but you got crucifix's. Pretty sure Jesus said something about not making up rules, can't remember where though, and Jesus said in Matthew 6:7 not to repeat/babble on when praying like pagans who think if they keep repeating the lord will hear you better. I think the rosary fits into both of those categories. Not trying to be condescending or mean, just trying to learn your point of view and find out more of the truth.
@@timbonthuus16191. Priests number 1 priority is Jesus and spreading the gospel, and having spouses would sometimes distract them from the grace of God, still not too sure though but thats what God intended i think, 2. I think you were speaking for “Thou shall make no idols” it meant dont make false idols and think theyre the real God, the crucifix means the sacrifice of Jesus’s and love 3. It said to not babble and repeat because God is all ears, hes willing to listen every time you speak hes not that type of God like “Work for it to get my attention” those are paganistic gods, God doesnt want that hes gonna listen no matter what just because he loves you, also thank you for not going for a mean stance quite rare in the atheistic world lol, you have a humble heart i suggest learning more about God and his goodness
@timbonthuus1619 I'll explain the making of images. There are two different types of images made in the Bible. There is the graven image that God forbids and the non graven image. we remember the story of the golden calf. The israelites made a golden calf to make their god. God was angry, and he punished them for that. Do you also remember the story of the building of the ark of the covenant and Solomon's temple? God told them to make a statue of cherubs(angels), which should be directly against the ten commandments, right? Well, no. The golden calf was wrong because they made an idol. They created something to call god and bow down to and worship. The cherubs, on the other hand, were imagery. Not for the purpose of worship. Catholics fall into the latter category. We don't worship the statues and icons cause they can neither see nor hear us. They are imagery that we use. Then for forbidding marriage. There actually was a group or groups of christian sects at the time that saw marriage and sex as immoral. The CC does not teach this. It encourages marriages. Marriage is even a sacrament, which means we believe that it gives grace. For priests; however, the life of a priest is not an easy one. When priests are not saying mass, they are praying(canonical hours) reading or visiting others. A priest's life is not stable. His bishop at any point in time can move him to a new parish or diocese. So what do you suppose his wife and kids do? Do they uproot their lives and move with him, or do they stay alone without him. I don't think it's fair to the wife or the kids. Even if they stay with him, with the busy life of a priest, he won't be able to give her the love and attention that is rightly hers. She might soon become an object of his pleasure. Only when he wants sex that he would make time, but other times he's too busy with his pastoral duties. Yes, it's not the same for everyone, and the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Eastern Catholics make it work, but what works for some would not always work for others. The CC acknowledges that Peter was married. According to CC traditions, Peter was a widower. But let's imagine for a second he was not. So Peter just left her all alone to follow Jesus. With him gone, there would be a significant drop in income. Things would become harder for her. Not only that, but she would be lonely without her husband. she also won't be protected(the same way that some girls put men shoes outside their doors even if there is no man in the house to deter robbers and other criminals). It's just not fair to the wives of these clerics. Even Paul says that it is better to stay unmarried. If you love your wife(which you are commanded to), your pastoral duties would be affected. If you focus on your duties, you might mistreat the wife God gave you. You need to a balance which not everyone can find.
@@timbonthuus1619About point 2 as Christians we'll agree that the ultimate meaning of life is but to answer God's call. This could (as it is for most people) involve starting a family, and then so be it; but if following the Lord's will eventually leads to full-time serving his Church, then It becomes acceptable even not to get married. And this leads back to Jesus himself, whose whole Life was devoted to serving the Father alone. To sum up, the way of marriage is not the only way, for even marriage is not of our making but a gift of His grace.
can you explain why to become catholic? lots of what the church preaches is unbiblical the way i understand it. The bible says to forbid marriage is demonic(1timothy 4), but the priests are banned from it. The bible says that we should never make images of the lord(10 commandments), but you got crucifix's. Pretty sure Jesus said something about not making up rules, can't remember where though, and Jesus said in Matthew 6:7 not to repeat/babble on when praying like pagans who think if they keep repeating the lord will hear you better. I think the rosary fits into both of those categories. Not trying to be condescending or mean, just trying to learn your point of view and find out more of the truth.
@@timbonthuus1619 thanks for being respectful to answer your first point it's more of an obligation to God and devotion and is no way demonic And the 2nd point is actually interpreting the scripture and seeing how God forbids something the 3th part is just an act of worship to the Lord and also asking Mary through the Holy Spirit to pray for us
@benextraanimates7398 where in the bible does it say that mary can hear you? Where does it say that if she can hear you she will pray for you? And where does it instruct us to do so?
Scientists don't gather and sing about gravity --WELL THEY SHOULD! It's an amazing, wonderful thing, and I absolutely think it's worth jumping for joy over. I mean, the fact that you jump, and then come back down. How cool is that?
One argument I hate is when people say “Christians only want to be around other Christians” which is so wrong, you should always love your neighbor and respect others Hell, I have friends of every type of person, gay, black, middle eastern, Hispanic, white, you name it
Sometimes I find it somewhat painful to be around nonbelievers but it's since I can't stop imagining them being damned. It's hurtful because I love them and I know that even if I were a good preacher of the faith I couldn't save them all.
What you described is all humans, really. I feel like not listening to reason is more common for religious people, atheists are more logical and accept new evidence (Unlike religious people, who are more bound to interpretations of scripture)
I'm an atheist and my reasoning isn't really covered on the "atheist argument wheel", so I'll try to explain it here. Obviously, I can't deny the existence of a God with absolute certainty. Nobody can. However, there is one thing that I can be fairly certain of - if there is a God, it doesn't really operate the way most religions claim it does. The Abrahamitic God in particular is distinctly human in character. Vengeance, mercy, the desire to be worshipped, these are all very clearly human traits. Think about it - why would a literal God, an omnipotent being with unimaginable power, need/want to be worshipped by beings like us, who would be to this God what bacteria are to us? I really enjoy sci-fi, particularly if it involves aliens. The more alien and weird the better. However, it is very hard, if not impossible, to come up with truly *alien* aliens as a writer. More often than not, fictional aliens just end up being humans with tails and blue skin. The point is, humans already have trouble conceptualising something (in comparison to a God) trivial like another biological being that just happened to evolve under different circumstances. We could never even hope to accurately understand the motivations of a God, or Gods, if such beings existed. All the rules dictated by various religions, they are human rules clearly made by humans for humans. If there is a God, and if it does actually care what we do with our lives on an individual level (pretty big and, imo, unrealistic expectation, given there are not only billions of people but also billions of potentially inhabited planets across the universe) it clearly would be pointless for us to try and guess at its intentions or motives, much less try to live our lives according to what we THINK this being wants. There just is no point in it, other than as a fun exercise in creative fiction or philosophy. Ironically the most reasonable depiction of God(s) in my opinion comes from the pagan/animist religions that our distant ancestors believed in, where the divine was conceptualised in the form of distinctly non-human nature spirits that just do their thing beyond anyone's comprehension. TLDR If there is a God, or multiple ones, it ultimately doesn't matter what we believe (or don't believe) because this being would realistically be so utterly alien to us that we'd have no hope of ever even coming close to understanding its motivations or desires.
I will say this as a Christian. Your argument does make sense and I can see why you’d believe it because it is very compelling. But let me say this, it is better to believe than not to believe. Because if there is a God and if you don’t believe or live an honorable life, and said God requires that you do so, it would be a lot harder to get into an afterlife (or heaven) then if you did believe and live an honorable life.
A lot of these memes gave me serious brain damage. Good point at the end of the vid though: people’s disbelief in Christ is largely spiritual rather than intellectual. It’s just as Psalm 14 says: the fool says in his heart “there is no God”. His heart- not his mind.
The heart is an organ that pumps blood I don't think the heart has the ability to feel and also stop trying to push off people's disbelief in your god as emotional rather than intellectual and come up with something new rather citing the same old fucking bible verse which isn't even talking about atheists so please stop
as a new Christian (my second year lol) from Türkiye, the theological illiteracy of both atheist and muslims trying to challenge me the second they see my cross is astounding. The good thing is more than 3 people have listened me with pure curiosity and now we attend to church together.
>The Serpent was the hero in the garden of Eden In other words, Gnosticism. You know what has roots in Gnosticism? Communism. Kind of going full circle huh?
Why do calvinists always assume that non calvinists "don't understand" calvinism? People can understand calvinism 100 percent, and disagree with it(as all christians should).
My atheist/unfaithful friend group and Christian friend group differ so drastically from each other. The un-devout theists/atheists are jerks and self-centered people who make jokes about tragedies and women. The Christian group is a fun group that is infinitely happy and passionate about whatever they are doing. Thought I would add this somewhere, this video seemed like a great place.
Ikr! I'm in a really far left mostly atheist server, the people there are very horny and are basically stereotypical discord mods... they keep making jokes mocking Christianity and mocking women. D: I don't check the server often because it is so toxic but even the one active user there who is Christian ends up mocking all the other denominations... yeah I don't think he's even Christian he is very left. While irl at church, people are actually really nice! :D
@@jarrettlowery2802sorry to hear that. I probably just found a really good group of people or something, Church isn’t a museum for saints anyways, it is more of a hospital for sinners.
Interesting video! My only issue is towards the end the portrayal of young earth creationists. I think it's quite bold to assert that believing in a 6 day creation -- quite literally what the bible teaches and outlines, and what has been believed for the majority of Christian history, "started with the 7 day Adventists". 37:00 I think it's somewhat disingenuous to take the words of Genesis and reduce them to be the words of some recent prophetess.
I agree they just say because it’s in the book then it’s the truth. It bothered me that he just glossed over the science vs religion argument at the start. God didn’t create the earth in 6 days. Eve wasn’t created from Adam’s rib. Then they argue that is not supposed to be literal. Then when you bring up another argument they argue against it using verses in a literal sense.
For a couple of years, I've identified myself as an atheist, but looking at your definitions of what atheism is, I've found that I'm moreso agnostic than anything. Thanks for helping me identify myself in a more accurate way.
The problem of evil still hasn't been debunked. Every theodicy boils down to "God allows evil in order to accomplish XYZ" and if God was really omnipotent, He could accomplish XYZ without allowing evil, regardless of what XYZ is.
Your statement is true, but outside the context of if God wants human free will and autonomy. God could probably stop all human evil and make it so that we could only do good. However, this would come at the cost of human free will, meaning that we would not be capable of committing evil, but at the same time, doing whatever is good (again, what is good is disagreed upon but we recognize there are some common ideas of kindness, love, generosity, justice, etc.) If God creates humans to only be able to do one thing, that means he has created a set of puppets or playtoys. So either God must create beings with free will with the possibility of evil, or create no beings with free will. The latter would be a meaningless creation, and God would be creating, well, meaningless things. Even if humans without freewill did "good" things, it means nothing without freedom, as humans would not choose that, it would just be God doing it (sort of like how a person with toys inputs actions into their toys, and the toys do nothing). Here is a Christian response to the problem of evil (from a website article, which I can share to you if you would like to see a way more detailed explanation than mines), as written by Epicurus, that is commonly brought up: [Begin quote] "Is God willing to prevent evil, but unable to? Then he is not omnipotent." Answer: God is willing to limit evil and has acted to do just that. So, He is still omnipotent. "Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent." Answer: God is able, but not willing, to abolish our free will. So, He is still omnibenevolent. "Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?" Answer: God has acted to defeat evil. Evil comes simply when we fall short of His will. "Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Answer: God is not willing to prevent our free will. (Our) disapproval does not make Him any less God. [End quote] This of course does not mean much if there is no God or if there is no belief in God, as there is no God to criticize or not standard to criticize Him with. But it does refute the idea that there cannot be a God that can be both omnipotent, omnibelevolent, and allow evil at the same time. God can and does (according to the Christian texts) respond to human evil multiple times. So this refutes the idea that God is passive in response to evil. And it is noted that He has provided a solution for that evil (whether we trust in it or not, that does not matter). He does these things without infringing on the human free will. So I suppose other questions rise such as "does God do too much?" Or "does God not do too much?" Or "do I agree or like God's methods?" But these are ultimately us making judgements about God according to our own ideas of morality. These alone do not refute the possibility of God being omnipotent and omnibelevolent at the same time. The answers to Epicurus's questions could be countered by saying that if God is omnipotent, then he should surely be able to make humans with free will that are only capable of good. But this is a contradiction, or a paradox. A paradox is not possible, whether we are an ant, or the highest divine being. A paradox is nothing, or impossible in all scenarios because it is illogical. Christians (and other religions maybe) say that "God can do all things." It must be emphasized that God can do "all possible things." What is logically impossible is, well, impossible. Again, you can disagree with the existence of God or how God acts, but the main point is that regardless of that, an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God that allows evil can exist.
I think it’s as simple as, God knows that at the end, there I’ll be greater things for us than this life. He will either stop the rain instantly, or see that with it will come a rainbow. We choose to sin everyday, subconsciously we sin too. But God grants us a way out, not by having the best life ever, but by being able to have peace amongst the storm. That’s at least how I see it, from a biblical point of view.
Ok, I don’t know how I haven’t subscribed to you yet, but I have now! Thank you for your insight Redeemed Zoomer. It’s been a blessing as I learn more and more about my faith. :)
But being Christian at that time was the norm in Europe. Next to all children were indoctrinated to varying degrees into the faith, and being non-Christian could get you into some serious trouble.
You're a wonderful speaker and it's amazing that you were able to give such a perfect answer to everything. Must have been thinking about this a lot. 👍
@@cediviannareeda4305 you will never convince someone to change their mind just based on a comment. they cant prove god exists, so why would they need to prove facts exist? everything is made by god, and god is all knowing. so god made you say that. apparently. circular arguments all day.
@@VD-cc4hx I'm… not trying to convince them with one comment, I'm trying to convince them by beckoning them to better Atheist works, I don't know what comment of mine you were reading. As for your other argument… I highly encourage you to find better Atheist works as well, because this is simply a bad argument, and you should educate yourself before you continue being so proudly incorrect. I say again, cuz you seem to have trouble reading, Atheists have made videos on why that argument is bad, and they're not hard to find, so find them.
Every person I've met in my stint at christian schools is relatively happy to be there. I don't know why the post author claimed it's so terrifying when it's actually a pretty nice environment for the kids who secretly aren't believers.
I'm sorry what? from your experience of 1 Christian school, you've concluded that all Christian students are happy to go to a Christian school, while all the nonbelievers are terrified? even if your experience matches every other school, that's still a massive issue, why are Christian schools so terrifying for nonbelievers?
@@cediviannareeda4305 I've been to two, actually. And both me and multiple friends don't follow the faith, at least not exactly. Either way, it's anecdotal evidence- but that's all I can provide, really. Just my two cents.
@@YouCanCallMeIz even so, I hope you see the problem with a school that students are terrified to go to simply because of what they do or don't believe.
As someone who grew up in a fairly good biblical Church, then had a bit of a crisis of faith as a teen and at college before returning to my faith. These videos have been incredibly interesting. I like your intellectual approach, and fearless arguments for Christianity. Thanks.
It’s not a difficult concept to grasp. I resent Voldemort, but I don’t believe he exists. I would resent the idea of Voldemort a lot more if his character portrayal in a story had a large following of people that were trying to push the teaching of wizardry in public schools along side science, actively aiding in the spread of disease by preventing use of contraceptives or vaccines, and giving the silliest arguments for how Voldemort actually exists and he loves you, but do X to please Him or you’ll suffer forever in Azkaban.
@mcfarvo I swear when can Christians open their eyes and just drop the "atheists hate god" stereotype like no we don't resent your god since that would suggest or implie his existence no your targeting misotheists not atheists
I've always been more into geography, history and whatnot, as a kid I read kings and chronicles the most out of my Bible, so that may probably be why I'm Orthodox now though I was raised non-denominational.
I haven't met anyone who ever became a Christian without either being one from birth, or having a personal experience with God later on. Very few people are going to be convinced solely through reading a Bible. Other religions have holy books with beautiful prose, after all. You have to consider it from the perspective of a non-believer. It's hard enough to open up to the possibility of a God, let alone to find your way to the one true God. It's natural that these people are going to be skeptical. For my money the only real way is through the grace of the Holy Spirit. A personal, undeniable experience with God. While this may be unintelligible to other people, when touched by the Holy Spirit the non-believer has that evidence he's always been after. Everything falls into place from there. I'm not sure I'd have it any other way. This was the way I found God. Does Christ really want His flock to believe "just because"? There is no substitute for grace. As for what we can do to convince atheists: I think being preachy doesn't work. I never found it convincing when I didn't believe. They can smell the insecurity. You know what I did find convincing? What opened my mind to the possibility? Seeing the effect of grace on the converted. Seeing the difference it made in the ordinary lives of those Christians I knew. Grace is the only way, but grace necessarily creates good works. It's highly improbable you actually believe if you're not doing good works. Works may not be necessary for salvation, but they stand as testament to the grace you've experienced. A lot of people seem to forget that Christ said to "Love one another, as I have loved you". He didn't just sit around quoting scripture and arguing with non-believers - He fed them, healed them, gave them wine and friendship, and ultimately gave His life for them. We should follow this example. Testify to our faith through works. Who knows, it may open up another to the grace of God. Dry theological arguments sure won't.
So, is it possible for a non-elect to get into Heaven? Like you said temporary faith exists apparently so wouldn’t that mean they could get into Heaven? Also I heard you were talking about the Old Testament in a strange way in my opinion. What did you mean when you were saying that it should be taken as mostly stories and not a true history? I know there is poetry in the Bible and there is metaphors and that kind of thing but I still think that we should take it as complete truth. If we don’t take a single part of the Bible as true then we get to close to reversing what it means to either chose what we want it to mean or just chose to delete a part of the text as completely false. Anyways I loved the video, can’t wait for more.
Great video once again! A small comment, coming from someone from a Lutheran background about your comment on Once Saved Always Saved: One of the main arguments for traditional calvinist soteriology going around the interwebs is the argument that the Trinity must be undivided in its operation -I think you used it yourself in one of your videos-, e.g the Father elects unconditionally from eternity, the Son atones for the elect and the Holy Spirit regenerates the elect, and all such individuals will persevere until the end. My question is then, how is it possible for someone to have a "temporary faith" under such a system? Meaning, how can someone have saving faith apart from the Holy Spirit? Because if the Holy Spirit gives faith to the unelect and thereby unatoned for and therefore unregenerate? Wouldn't that contradict the argument from unity mentioned above, seeing as then it would seem that the Trinity doesn't operate as united as claimed? Again just curious what you would say. Not super informed on Presbyterian soterrology seeing as I come from a Lutheran background. Would be nice to hear so that I can understand your system better! God be with you all!❤
I went to catholic schools and as I’ve grown up and sort of lost faith, I’ve realised just how much they left out when teaching us religion. There’s a massive chunk that the schools must have just decided was too mature for any age and never taught us. I never learned anything about Hell, I never learned anything about the Angels, I never even learned that Jesus is supposed to come back one day. Perhaps a lot of “Atheists” were just taught in a way that had the opposite effect in establishing belief.
I can't and will never understand why there is so much hate between theists and atheists. It's the same kind of ridiculous trench warfare like the Democrats vs Republicans thing. Instead of shouting insults and nonsensical arguments at each other, we should all listen to voices of reason and engage in normal human dialogue with each other. As an agnostic myself I really enjoy your content, keep up the good work! Maybe react to ridiculous theist posts next time?
Because monotheistic religious texts are known to chastise non belief and subsequently non believers. We are seen as "the enemy". Even Jesus allegedly says those that are not with him are against him.
@@whatwecalllife7034 Well yeah, if a religious text didn't compel belief and chastise non-belief, it wouldn't work as well. I don't see why I should care what a religious text I don't believe in says about me
Obviously you would be against him as he died for our salvation. You rejecting him means you reject what he stands for. It’s not meant to be cynical, just a clear observation.
I've never though about "Casting your pearls before swine" in that way before. As a Christian Philosopher myself, (I'm trying my best), thank you for this wisdom ❤
I think the "Jesus wasn't white" line deserves an honorable mention. No idea what the argument is, they just blurt it out and hope something happens
They say this bc they think christians are white supremacists, when the majority of christians are actually black (Africa is mostly christian). Which is also why actual white supremacists want to destroy christianity because they see it as a "black" religion (they don't understand the concept of a universal religion).
Wait what? Impossible...
What now, are you going to say he was a Jew too?
@@qwerty_L do you think greeks aren't white ? Because if greeks are white, then Jesus would be white, since all of the northern parts of the middle east are what westerners would call greek-like.
Well 90 percent of the artists' depictions of jesus make him look like a German hippie.
@@suserman7775 of American depiction
"Sky Daddy" being one of their most common retorts, reveals their lack of a proper father figure.
Whenever I debate an atheist and I hear the word "Sky daddy" or "Magical friend in the sky" coming out of his mouth, I instantly stop taking anything he says seriously.
@@baldwinthefourth4098same
@@baldwinthefourth4098or when "you could literally replace the word 'god' with 'unicorn' and the argument won't change" 🤦
Sphagetti monster
@@schizoid7734 that is cringe as well
"If god is real, why don't i have a gf yet" has got to be one of their stronger arguements, but I think God is trying to protect the girl 😂
Tell them that perhaps they might not be ready to have a girlfriend.
People who think God will give them anything effortlessly simply because THEY want to. 😆
And absolutely, God's protecting women from this man until he realizes what he's doing (presuming he was being serious, of course).
God doesn't hand non believers anything. Especially girlfriends lmao
Read your bible! (KJV, preferably) ♥ . ...
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“You cannot scientifically prove that your wife loves you.”
That is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day 😭😭😭
You kind of can though? If your wife says she loves you but cheats on you and is never home, constantly deriding you and manipulating you, you can have some assurance that her claim of love is untrue. If she listens, is there, is affectionate, and shows her love your faith in her love can be determined by the evidence. That's the point.
@@LuxMachaera Someone can cheat and still love someone. It's incredibly stupid and destructive, but love is very personal and hard to quantify. You can also have an attentive and caring partner that doesn't truly love you, but feels obligated to do these things.
@@LuxMachaera But that's not scientific. That's a case study at best. That's the point of the argument. Science investigates LAWS OF NATURE. A single individual's emotions and dedication isn't a proper subject of scientific inquiry. You can only understand it by faith.
It’s funny but you actually can. All you need is an MRI machine and a map of the brain’s “love chemical” receptors (oxytocin, etc)
@@midnightstracktwo just like anybody can scientifically prove that you are a woman?
I’ve yet to find an atheist who isn’t cynical, depressed, or without terminal Reddit syndrome.
Growing up as an atheist, I can attest to this observation
I also feel like they've never actually been really sick or have had a migraine. I had a long talk with one about this, about what if his kid ever gets really sick, and he didn't have a good answer for that. basically their faith has never been tested, as long as science or their own willpower work for them. (belief in nothing, vs belief in one's self)
well, you have now. Hiya, I was a christian and am now an atheist.
You haven't met me so thats understandable, besides corelation doesn't equal causation. Personally I've been much happier since I was an atheist
@@chancepaladin funny how I've been really sick a few times. Still no need for your god. Husband was really sick too, no need for god for him. Why bother with an imaginary being that does nothing, C? I watch christians suffer and die repeatedly, and no god saves them.
Just found funny how her Instagram profile name can be read as "I am A theist Girl"
😂😂😂
...In the theist world
Life in Spirit
Is fantastic
she can only deny the truth for so long
@@leonardoantonio216
God can forgive my sins
Thank Him for all he’s given
Imagination, life is God’s creation
Someone tell her that studies were done where old men were given testosterone and they became LESS religious, not more, which would explain why women are generally more religious than men up until now (I think women in Gen Z are no longer more religious than the men which is disturbing. Now I haven’t done a lot of research into this-I don’t feel like I can handle it-but I’m not sure if that means that women in my generation are becoming complete secular materialistic atheists or if it just means they don’t follow any particular organized religion but still might believe in things like ghosts and the supernatural. Still)
Whenever I hear people say Christianity opposes science I remember that the study of genetics was started by a Catholic priest but the Soviet Union declared genetics a pseudoscience.
Never mind all the times Christianity has historically and currently opposes scientific predictions and findings. Outright killing blasphemers who disagree with the church. Problem today is “Christianity” describes such a large range of beliefs, all converging on “Christ”, that Christian groups widely disagree on what science they should accept or reject.
I wonder what controversial thing the other reply said. I can't see it, because it seems youtube deleted it.
@@yarnicles4616 I’ve been seeing that a lot lately, I’m not sure why it happens.
@@bogdanov2395Russia's supposedly had the best stem workers, yet they had to steal American ideas for nuclear weapons, and they never made it to the Moon. R.i.p. Yuri grigoryan, or however you spell it
@@bogdanov2395 "best" by who's standards though?
Claiming Christians sing about faith because they're insecure about it is like saying the only reason to listen to music is to confirm your biases. Like no one has ever listened to music for any reason other than to indoctrinate themselves. Its absurd.
if they believed that argument, do they have anything to say about people who listen to rap about glorifying sex, drugs and gang violence? wonder what music they listen to
What in the hell am I indoctrinating myself with when I hear Breakcore!?
The funny thing is that you are indoctrinated by the music you listen to anyway.
Replace music with media, it will make sense
@MrCovi True. And it is an attested fact that Dawkins believes in Evolution because he was insecure in his atheism.
Here’s the important thing: Science is about “cosmic order”, whereas religion is about “cosmic purpose”.
Blasphemously underrated comment.
@@leonardticsay8046 exactly. Science and Religion don’t always need to contradict. Did RZ ever tell you that the man who hypothesized the Big Bang was a Catholic priest?
And cosmic purpose creates cosmic order!😀 You cannot have an order without a purpose!!!😁
@@greglejacques1094211 comments on this channel, I will pray for you.
@@CliffCardibruh, science was made by Christianity. You probably should rely on the word of christ over science though. I'd recommend reading Tertullian on heresy for the full argument why.
the more I read old books on Christian doctrine the more I realize that the idea of reason being opposed to religion is an utter lie. I grew up my whole life being told that Christians are thoughtless, fearful automatons who hate anyone who thinks freely and believes that reason is their enemy when that could not be further from the truth. I hope more people will some day sit down and read the works of Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine among many others who crafted the doctrine that our societies are founded on to this day. Atheists constantly proclaim a love of knowledge and wisdom but I see people who believe in some religion have a greater hunger for knowledge.
That's exactly how all atheists are brought up. They're just ignorant to reality. I'm glad you've got an open mind, bro
The only one who can "craft" good doctrine is God because he is good and he always has been. Good societies are founded on the Word of God.
Thomas Aquinas was a desert father right?
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 actually he’s considered to be one of the greatest philosophers in history.
Never mind the vast number of times the Christian Church has made a claim based on personal revelation or the Bible and had to backpedal every time we applied the more rigorous method of scientific inquiry to the question.
How do the planets move? Earth is center! Nope Sun is center. Blaspheme, kill the heathen!
How old is Earth? About 6k. Umm actually no. Geology, Human Anthropology, Archeology, Biology, Physics all show this to be false.
The world was submerged under water! Actually nope, can show it with the most fundamental basics of Geology. Oh it was just a local flood then!
Adam and Eve, nope, Human Genome project crushed that.
They are possessed by DEMONS!!!!!! Seizures, and mental conditions.
God saved me from my heart failure! Nope, that was your surgeon with a dozen helpers and a hundred + years of medical science.
Then there are the internal problems.
God is love! “A man can sell his own daughter into permanent slavery, to be passed down to descendants as inheritable property.”
God is love!!
Literally commits Genocide.
God is love!!!
Creates the circumstances by which billions of conscious souls will suffer for all eternity.
It's funny that she claims Christians are insecure for going to church but made an entire account where she just bitches about people believing something she doesn't
Joined Aug 20, 2023
the video was made Aug 1, 2023
you made an account just to hate on atheists. you are the definition of hypocrite. what makes you any different than that other account? did god tell you to make a youtube account 🤣
Aside from the profanity, good observation. I'm pretty sure her parents were 'Christian'.
and the thing is, atheists always ALWAYS bash Christianity and never other religions, what's up with that?
23:29 As someone who is really into archeology, I can confirm that Jericho is not a good objection to Joshua's account. The site was destroyed and rebuilt literally so many times that we cannot even say for sure which destruction belongs to which time. The particular destruction he talks about in the post occured about 1500 BC, which has nothing to do with Joshua's destruction which would have actually occured around 1200 BC. Additionally, while Jericho itself cannot be used to either fully disprove nor directly prove Joshua conquered it, there are other cities which Joshua conquered which have been excavated in recent years, which fit surpringly well with Joshua's account, namely Hazor... A city which Joshua conquered and burned down. What archeologists found there was remains of massive fire being set on the city around 1200 BC and all the pagan idols in the city being purposely dismembered and destroyed... Something no other ancient culture but Israel would have done.
Thank you for this explanation!
This is great. Thanks for putting the effort into this comment.
Good explanation. Dr. David Falk covers evidence for the exodus and the conquest of Canaan on his channel Ancient Egypt and the Bible if one's looking to learn more
So you are not an actual archaeologist? How exactly did you date Joshua's destruction?
Oh I get it. The 1500BC number is for the wall. Which is possible that God aged it. They have found more recent pottery and stuff at the site of Jericho.
Something very interesting to note is that the majority of self-proclaimed atheist specifically only bash Christianity, but are respectful of most other religions.
This is because most of the atheists on TH-cam are from Christian countries.
Because they are afraid when the brown man with a beard starts yelling. Either because they are afraid of being racist or because they think they going to be beheaded.
Mhm because Christianity is the truth and they know it
I would assume most western atheists live in countries where Christianity is the dominant religion so it's probably the religion they come into contact with the most.
They don't criticize the Religion of Peace because it's adherents will kill them horribly if they do.
as an atheist myself, a lot of these accounts are people who clearly don’t have a real understanding of religions. it’s unfortunate how these voices represent us in the same way that fundamentalists are used to represent all christians.
why are you atheist if you dont mind me asking?
The difference is that Fundies and non Fundies are using the same texts, dogmas, and adherence to certain doctrine where as, I'm sure your aware, atheists do not. That's why they tend to get grouped together.
There is nothing tying atheists together, such as doctrine, scripture, or tradition. So to group atheists together as one would religious adherents is a mistake.
@@whatwecalllife7034Only half truth, Catholics dislike Baptists as much as atheists do, and disagree with them in so many things it is only not a different religion by technicalities.
@@whatwecalllife7034 exactly, atheist is a blanket term that describes such a wide variety of people. i don’t hate religion, i enjoy learning about it, which is why I watch this channel sometimes
@@boxofturtles761 Yep, and just like that there is a difference between two atheists 😆.
I would consider myself to be an atheist who is also igtheist and anti theism. I despise religion because not only is it not demonstrably true, it has typically caused harm that could have otherwise been avoided, and it's taught TO CHILDREN as if it were true. It's actually quite insidious and ingenious due the the naive and gullible nature of children.
That being said, I don't think that religion will ever go away as long as humans exist but it can be diminished.
Atheist memes haven't evolved past like 2008 lmao
same with Christian memes they are still using the same arguments that were used 30 years ago
Hard to make new memes when the source material is stale.😅
@@Dock284Mainly because atheists haven't been able to properly refute Christianity's arguments
@@Dock284if it ain't broke don't fix it
@@greglejacques1094 God may have died, but there's a reason why His grave is empty.
Religion is the best thing that ever happend to me
same. I'm so lucky to be religious after everything I've been through. God is good
@@bxrxn1534 God bless you bro
@@lifeexplorer775 You as well my friend
Good ending here.
Me too, little by little it’s made me a better person, and it still is
7:55 I think that the counterargument is "Someone can rape, murder but not steal and believe he deserves more of heaven that those who rape, murder and steal".
Sin is sin, and you don't decide what are the consequences of it. Every one has sinned and everyone is deserving of hell. The fact that you don't recognize your own sin doesn't mean you don't have it.
Thank you.
Everyone in prison is innocent. Lol.
@@leonardticsay8046 God forgives, man doesn’t.
I'd just like to add a counterargument too for the caption at the bottom that reads:
"And we wonder why federal prisons are crammed with Christians"
1. The anti-theist cannot rule out the possibility of conversion in those numbers (citation needed). Furthermore, there aren't really a lot of good numbers on the religiosity of inmates. Furthermore, some religious groups are over-represented according to their actual population in the US.
2. One can apply the same logic to black people. "And we wonder why federal prisons are crammed with black people." Maybe an atheist would be logically consistent with that view and agree that black people are predisposed to crime. But I doubt the poster would.
@@Elioc-ed6wrwhat the fuck are you on I never thought statics Based on things which have nothing to do with atheism means I have to have a consistent logic regarding fucking statics on convicted black criminals like do hear yourself
I challenge you to react to some Christian and anti-atheist memes as well. There is plenty of bad ones the same way there are plenty of atheist bad memes.
I second this!
I third this
Yeah I agree! Very very cringe ones that need pointed out for sure😂
Up, it’ll be a video bashing baptists
Lol please no. I don't think I can survive any more reddit-esque cringe. Why were even taking these posts seriously, I don't know. 😭
I can't get myself to read it as "I am Atheist Girl"
My brain keeps seeing "I am a theist girl"
you might have dyslexia then
@@Dock284 nahh, dude's brain just corrects whatever it's seen.
I can understand this, “I am a theist girl” sounds way better than “I am atheist girl” because the latter just sounds like a superhero introduction
@@asterglaceonthat's what I was thinking
A taste girl.
It’s funny that people mention Galileo when 1) He still remained Catholic, and 2) The Church held his teachings as theory because his theory could not be proved at the time, and 3) The only reason he was put in house arrest was because he attacked a priest that didn’t agree with his teachings.
Didn't Copernicus hide his knowledge about the heliocentric model because of backlash from the Church?
I am Catholic and your videos really helped me get stronger in my faith, Redeemed Zoomer. God bless you, and keep up the great work!
Did you leave the Catholic church then?
If you need help with faith in an easily digestible format I would recommend Inspiring Philosophy. The guy has numerous arguments for God as well as addressing many problems people bring up, Redeemed Zoomer is more of a theology guy while IP is as the name suggest focuses on philosophy/science/history.
@@FRodriguez_ Nope. Why should I leave the Church established by Christ?
Also, I warn you: Keep barking at the RCC, start calling us "idolaters" and accuse us of a work-based salvation and I will humiliate you.
@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 Yes, I know IP and his videos were also a huge help in my faith.
@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 I actually like Classical Theist more. Thomistic guys are very underrated in general. Trent Horn is the king overall
3:47 “no one has ever made a religion centered around gravity”
*Enrico Pucci has entered the chat*
Do you believe in gravity?
“In the name of God, I will smite you!”
lol
I dont get it
@@neodinson9928
I think that is a mother fucking JoJo reference.
I'm atheist, but i beleive that we should respect each others beliefs and try to understand each other rather than find the wittiest comeback to an argument. a better world would be the cooperation between two groups rather than trying to prove people wrong, and above all i think being civil is very important.
I like that. That’s a lot more mature and respectful than most atheists
yo even though you may not believe he’s real, Jesus loves you
ahaha, hey look, an angry atheist neckbeard, how are your idols doing, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc
@@sleed4639i’m jewish
@@crypticshadows Jesus loves you
as an atheist, these arguments are the shittiest ones ive seen in my entire existence
For real. I'd love to see this guy debate Alex O'Connor.
Id like to see him debate an actual smart athiest
@@just1randoall their arguments are "no evidence" just debate that point and you've debated them all
@@thebignacho Ehhhhhhhhh
@@thebignachoIts a good point. It being interesting to see how a theist constructs their faith.
Ironically they claim to be intellectual, yet 90%+ of their arguments have been debunked and answered thousands of times and they choose not to believe thwm
It’s a “smart guy posture”. Goes hand in hand with unwavering faith in (Neo) Marxism.
Oh, so you think your arguments haven't been debunked?
@@BulwinskiJanuszlol atheist spotted
@@JustinYadien-fl2gw oh he’s just too smart for me and my mouf breeving god. Lol.
@@leonardticsay8046 We're not all Marxists (...but I can't deny the trend). I'm a big natural-law, individual rights, Austrian-economics guy.
I’m sure these memes won’t be a Reddit-esque cringefest at all
The only thing I learned from this is that evangelicals can't stop being evangelicals even when they're atheists.
I guess that's a fair conclusion to come to... for just 4 examples... on a Christian's channel... you think there might be a bit of survivorship bias in your conclusion?
@@cediviannareeda4305 this Christian channel sure has a lot of vehement anti Christian atheists in the comments, but sure, the conclusion that atheists are evangelical is totally the result of observing a single biased video
@@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216 I'm sorry, are you seriously saying looking at a single video and the comments under it is an unbiased and thorough examination of the opposing side? Welcome to the internet I guess, I hope you're enjoying what's clearly your first day here.
The former Christians - now Atheists - that don't care about religion anymore obviously won't be watching this video, much less leaving comments.
@@cediviannareeda4305 you went from "atheists aren't evangelical and the idea that they can be is a conclusion reached from a single biased video" to "not every single athiest is evangelical" have you ever heard of 'shifting the goalposts' by any chance?
@@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216 please point to the exact place I said “all Atheists aren't evangelical” in the sense that none of them are passionate about Religion's place in the world, and then point to what OP said, and then point yourself to what it actually means to shift the goalposts, as well as what survivorship bias is.
And finally, point your impotent argument elsewhere, because I'll be talking to Christians who actually care about understanding things and convincing me, not just digging their heels in about stupid Atheist stereotypes
Common atheism is mostly just anti-christianism, they literally find their identity in the rejection of God, spending hours or days of their life dedicated to attacking something they don't wanna believe.
In a godless universe this would be highly irrational behavior.
I wouldn't call that "common atheism". What you're describing here is Anti-Theism which could be described as a very vocal minority within atheists.
My goodness holy shit tell me you never actually talked with an atheist without telling me no most atheists don't spend their time debunking or debating the existence of God no most of us just try to live our lives and "common atheism" isn't a thing neither is atheism anti-christianism which makes no sense what it seems your trying to address is western atheism which itself is a vague term because this doesn't address the fact that there are ex-musilm atheists and atheists from other backgrounds other than Christianity and no atheists don't make their identity "rejecting god" we simply don't believe in God not reject him and isn't the entirety of our identity
because some believe that religion causes harm to others and it directly effects our lives as most people are religious. Plenty of theists ground their entire identity in proving their god to be real. What's the difference here?
Humans are occasionally irrational, go figure. 🤣
@@Dock2841. As RZ said, religion may have caused some harm in the past but the 20th century was the most bloody century and most of the deaths were caused by seculars who completely forsook religion, so secularism isn't much better.
2. The most common favourite colour is blue; that doesn't mean it has an effect on the life of someone whose favourite colour is red. People may be theists but that shouldn't matter too much. Just get over people having different beliefs and do something more important than attacking them for it.
3. Some theists do ground their identity in proving that God is real but they don't then go on to attack other people's beliefs the same way that atheists do. Leading atheists like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins all clearly have an agenda against religion but you don't see a Christian leader going on to constantly attack non-Christians, do you?
Personally, I don't like saying Christians "invented" science, as the anceint Greeks and Egyptians did technically engage in some primative science.
I like to say the Christians invented the modern sciences. Am I wrong in saying that?
Not wrong at all.
No.
You would be correct in that statement, but the person commonly attributed to making the scientific method is Christian and Christians were the founders of the most prestigious universities.
you are not at all wrong. this guy does not script his videos so sometimes he makes small mistakes in his speech.
Well you are kind of wrong but not entirely. Greek and Egyptian science was heavily tied to mythology and mythicism. Christianity was the one that truly seperated the rational works of God and how he created things with Order and laws.
I'm an atheist, and I very much appreciate your content. Sadly, most atheists that I encounter are really anti-theists. If you're intellectually honest, you can't hold contempt for a being that you don't believe exists. Although I remain unconvinced on the theological front, it's hard to deny the secular benefits of Judeo-Christian culture and values. Even if the premise can't be proven, the results are good.
Hi there
I have a message especially for you.
I've heard many biographies of people who lived in the past who read the Bible and studied
the Bible with the aim of proving that Jesus wasn't God.
The more they read and the more they study the more they realised that Jesus was and still is God.
In other words, they became believers and by becoming believers they received the Holy Spirit, so they were saved.
Saved from eternal punishment.
Punishment which all unbelievers are going to realise that they have received when they die.
This is why you need God.
God doesn't force anyone to obey him.
When you receive the Holy Spirit you actually desire to do what he wants you to do, as written in the Holy Bible.
God is love.
God loves you.
He wants you and all humanity, to be part of his family.
Family?
"Our Father who art in heaven"
Please have a rethink about your future.
Today's headlines were prophesied more than 2,000 years ago.
What that means is:
We're expecting Jesus to return very very soon.
God says:
"I set before you life or death. Choose life."
Your next breath could be your last breath.
Please go your local Baptist church at 11:30 a.m. and tell them that you would like to be born again please.
You've got 2 choices:
Choose to disbelieve continually and end up in the lake of fire? or
Choose life?
So what will it be!
Jesus stands knocking at your door.
Will you let Him in?
When this country was founded, there were many Christian countries and they sucked. What made the USA great was the Enlightenment philosophy of the Founding Fathers. Yet theists always try to take the credit claiming 'our judeo christian values". Nonsense.
Keep searching. Check out a couple books, “A Case for Christ” written by Lee Strobel and “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek. The Bible is coherent throughout and has the most manuscripts of any ancient writing. It’s historically accurate and corroborated at times by other ancient civilizations. The facts are there, it’s just a matter of receiving them. Faith is not belief without evidence. It’s belief in something unseen moving forward based on evidence of what has been laid out before. It’s trusting that God is still Who He says He is.
@@suserman7775 Although the world has seen a vast improvement in governance since the revolution, I'd argue that the countries with jc roots were well ahead of most in terms of human rights and standards of living. English Common Law was the best in the world, at the time.
@@Cozitto I think the most interesting one that I've read lately was "Euler's A Defense of the Revelation Against the Objections of Freethinkers". I've watched a fair amount of Frank Turek on TH-cam. Sadly, I can't say that I've gotten much from him. His approach seems more like winning debate points, and slamming unprepared college kids, than addressing underlying concerns. I'd like to see him in a less adversarial context, more like a Dennis Prager conversation.
When zoomer gets mad, his New York accent just gets stronger
Ahahahaha 😂
Her: "I can do all of these sins and still live eternally in paradise as long as I believe in God?"
Me, a Catholic: "No."
It's really a flawed view by atheist and indirectly, by some Protestants. If you believe that all you need is faith, then it does not matter whatever you do here on earth. As long as you believe that Jesus died for us.
@@chimeremnmaozioko17yeah, but, you know the thieves on the cross? One of them said, “Hey, Jesus, if you’re really the Son of God, show me your magic, take me off the cross man!” But the other thief said, “You fool! He’s the Son of God, innocent blood right there. Jesus, can you remember me in heaven?” And Jesus didn’t say, “No man, you need to be baptized, you need to preach, you need to do all these things, and then I can take you to paradise with me.” No, He said, “Surely, I tell you, today, you will come to paradise with me.” The thief didn’t have to do any works, he only had to believe.
@BelieverInGod0 The Bible(or at least its translations) say today, you will be with me in paradise. Did the Bible tell us that Jesus went to Heaven that day??
@BelieverInGod0 you also forget that the thief was not previously a Christian or frankly righteous, considering he was getting crucified. He basically repented of his sins at his last moments of death. He was truly contrite for his sins. It's quite different from those who believe in Christ, treat their neighbors like shit, then at the last moments of their death they might say the sinner's prayer or sth like that, but they aren't truly contrite. You tell me if it's the same as the thief on the cross.
@@chimeremnmaozioko17 ah…yes, all that is true
"I believe in evidence, not faith"
"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen."
Also, mankind is a rationalizing animal. Not a rational one, I bet if you outright showed her the evidence she would just rationalize it away in one regard. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it mentality.
It’s been a long time and no one has seen anything…
@@Xippone2093 I have. I see things all the time, just nothing interesting
@@Xippone2093 what do you mean
The Bible is not a dictionary 😂
If God exist, then why bad thing?
Hahahahaha
I know this comment is ironic but unironically read "If God is Good" by Randy Alcorn
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle oh I didnʼt know this. Perhaps Iʼll give it a shot.
if God don't exist, why good thing?
It’s true.
The issue with the soviet and maoist argument is that you assume the things they committed were because of their atheism which is simply not the case. Stalin and Hitler both had moustaches so does that mean their moustaches caused them to kill so many people?
A fair point, but a lot of evils were made in Stalin’s regime in name of anti-theism? Surely you know of his persecution of the church right? Also the lady who wrote him that song.
@@lothara.schmal5092so blame anti-theism, not atheism.
@@bipbap300 The point however is not to say atheist are bad, just that the argument for religious people being bad is stupid, and this point just demonstrates that (even within their logic it makes no sense)
It wasn't atheism, Marxist Secularism was a dialectic faith. Lenin and Stalin knew that they couldn't take away Christianity and other Religions from the people, so they replaced it with their own Religion. This is why there was so much death, the state was trying to convert the proletariat masses to this new Religion which demanded supreme loyalty to the state and the leaders. This is very oversimplified but if you want more insight I'd watch a video from a channel called TIKhistory called "The cult many are in but don't realize".
@@lothara.schmal5092 anti-theism is an irrational, faith-based ideology that looks suspiciously like the very thing it seeks to refute. This is coming from someone with a strong dislike for religion. Atheism is a philosophical position on the existence of gods.
I am not even Christian but This guy helps with understanding Christianity in a better way for debate and helps me debate atheists.
Interesting, are you religious or do you just believe in a higher power or do you just like to argue?😂
@@livebungusreaction I think he might be a atheist defending Christianity.
you're not an atheist, but you're also not not an atheist
I hope you come to Jesus though he is the only one that can ever truly satisfy you :) if you need evidence for God just tell me and I gotchu
@@livebungusreaction I'm muslim
The second person reminded me of someone I was talking to on reddit that claimed to be an atheist and rational and how irrational Christianity is. I talked back and forth where we each had long comments and they made some comment that did not quite square with being an atheist with some sort of rational, empiricist view of the world. I took a look at their comment history and they were very deep into demonolatry, it was just very, very weird as I generally assume a specific type of hyper-materialist atheist when someone self claims atheism and critisizes the rationality of the Bible and this person was engaging in some very weird rituals and seemed to completely believe in the spiritual, just some super evil stuff.
Something similar happened with an instructor at my HVAC program. He like to spout his anti-Christian stuff on breaks and we would discuss because we both thought it was fun. He made all the same “intellectual” arguments and when I pushed him on some things: “I’m not an atheist, I practice Palo.” Ok, so you ridicule Christianity and make fun, but you make animal and human bone and blood sacrifices to demons, cool. His response was, “I’ll believe in what can shut my door when I ask.” Well leave me out! Jesus!
That's like a satanist brother
@@sunburst1889 They were 100% worshipping Satan I agree, though even one who is not directly practicing rituals meant for worshipping and controlling demons, and is "merely" professing their belief that there is no spiritual world and no God, is also worshipping Satan. I just found it odd that they specifically referred to themselves as an atheist and most of their arguments were about the irrationality of the truth claims of the Bible. That and other comments they made when we were talking made them feel like a typical hyper-materialist/empiricist internet atheist rather than a person who believes in a spiritual world but is just directly playing for the wrong side in the spiritual war. The stuff they had in their comments, and many of them were after our conversation as I went to check up on them as I have been praying for them, did not seem like the goofy pretend Satanism that some Atheists do to troll Christians (which is no less Satanism than this, but it is clear those people do not believe their own nonsense) but rather that they sincerely believe that what they are doing has power.
@@skyorrichegg I'm yes to that, someone who says they don't believe in Satan but worship themselves are already worshiping Satan. Also a lot of satanist/ athiest target Christianity other than any other religion, because they know Christianity is the truth, They can't hide from the truth it will find them just like how God finds us. It's good we pray for them athiests cause God works fast fr spreading the gospel is saving others not ourselves
@@sunburst1889no I actually search up what palo is and that guy saying he makes sacrifice to demons is bullshit
“Jesus freak!”
“That’s me alright.”
“Sky daddy!”
“Indeed my father is in heaven, hallowed is his name.”
“God isn’t real!!!”
“Jesus loves you.”
“Holy roller” gives me a chuckle, also it originally referred to specific denominations of Christianity (Methodists) and was Flanderized to refer to Christians in general.
@@fleebogazeezig6642 that was the name of the bowling team Ned Flanders was on. The Holy Rollers, if I’m not mistaken.
Being completely kind to the arguing atheists makes them Really mad, and i think its because they want you to be angry so that they can say they are justified. But because they are howling and yelling at someone who is kind and calm, it makes *them* look irrational
@@limbonlegs1662 which they are.
@@limbonlegs1662 OR it makes them angry because you are just avoiding the argument and seem to have no answer.
As a Christian, the question about the cross and the flood actually come across my mind more often than it should. I’m very interested in listening to your explanation
Whats your question brother if you dont mind me asking.
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 The one posed by the atheist account: If Jesus dying on the cross to save us was the plan all along, why did God make the flood?
@@manshenriksson Good plans are never done spur of the moment. Certain things have to happen and be in place for a good plan to be set off. That time had not come, so anything that would stop that plan coming to fruition would have to be eliminated. This is also the reason why the Jews were so protected by God, and so many rules applied to them.
@@johnmark6628 yep
Without things like the flood and the old covenant we wouldn’t understand as well why Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary or see how great of a gift it actually is.
On behalf of the normal atheists in this world. Im sorry for These people
We forgive you, Amen
“When Sin with vanity had filled the works of men.” -John Milton
Great video man!! I'm glad that you reminded me that as Christians we are supposed to conduct ourselves respectfully and not get into fights and arguments, I find that kind of hard i must admit and is definitely something that i struggle with
Same. The number of discord servers I have been banned from for this particular reason is insane. I think I could do a better job preaching if I stopped letting the atheists of these servers gaslight me into argument. I hope you also work to fix this issue alongside me.
@@yarnicles4616 it's just incredibly hard to have a genuine conversation with someone who's being disingenuous. But I agree we must be the bigger man!!
Well, we are supposed to get into arguments. They just need to be civil arguments, or as some would call them, discussions, as opposed to heated arguments.
"If God real, why bad thing happen" (problem of evil) seems to be the most common one I hear. Also, "why no material eViDeNcE of immaterial God?"
can you give an answer for both?
@@Bloxwie 1. Bad things happen because PEOPLE do them. You can't have free will without the potential for people to do bad things. (This is a very quick and rough answer to what in theology is called "the problem of evil" and if you or anyone else really wondered about it in good faith, there are hundreds of hours of better answers you could find. Start with Aquinas and go from there)
2. This is a simple matter of understanding what "axiom" means. Roughly, first principles, or working from a common definition. God is eternal and immaterial, so looking for material, temporal evidence of an eternal, immaterial God makes no sense. It is self-explanatory from the definitions. It's like asking for a 4-sided triangle, and then saying "well I guess geometry doesn't exist!"
@@billyumbraskey8135 what about things that are outsite of human's power like disease, mental conditions and genetic diabilities? and if you look at it at on a grand scale, god already the start and the end of the universe, so he planned every single evil thing in the world. why would he do that?
@@billyumbraskey8135 also about the evidence of god, if god is all loving of its people why cant he make it clear to us, and what about the peolle who will never hear about chrstianity like tribal people, they deserve to go to infinite hellfire because an religion across the world from them doesnt reach them? why would he let half of humanity in hell just because he dont want to make it clear that he exist and he wants worship?
@@Bloxwie it is clear. if you ask God to come into your heart *IN GOOD FAITH* He will. the problem is you, not God. You are in a state of rebellion, and devotion to your own ego and intellect, demanding things of God to satisfy your petty human desires. You (and every atheist in this state) have it backwards: you ought to be searching for how to serve God. All the questions you are asking have answers, you just don't bother to honestly seek them out. You want to use them as a dunk on me, as a gotchya to weaponize against other people of faith, instead of actually doing the work of studying the Bible and the many thousands of philosophers and theologians who have them.
As far as disasters and disease, who can understand the will of God? No one, really. We are not meant to be invulnerable or to live forever. This is again sort of a dishonest approach. Another way of asking thse same questions is "why does fire burn?" "Why can't we breathe water" or other axiomatically silly things. Butthe real problem is in how these are being asked. Not in good faith, searching for truth, but in a way to demand a satisfaction of your limited human intellect and when that standard can't be met, "welp! no God!" There would neverbe an answer good enough.
I can't give you thousands of years of theology and philosophy in a youtube comment. You have to do the work if you really want to know. If you're just trying to come up with "gotchyas" then congratulations, you got me! Wow! You did it! You solved the oldest and most pressing questions of philosophy in a youtube comment! Impressive. LMFAO
I have just discovered this guy isn't a 50 year old uncle. My mind is exploding.
*Zoomer*
As in general z
@@YEthanT-N I think you mean "generation z", in which case you'd be wrong. Zoomers are millennials are Gen X
@@OppressedPotatozoomer = generation z
Yeah, ikr! Not many Gen Zers are Christian... Redeemed Zoomer is a beacon of hope!
I'm Gen Z and Christian, I wish more Gen Zers were Christian!
Perhaps the best argument for theism is that every single atheist argument ultimately boils down to "I don't like being told what not to do".
That's... actually correct!
Funny how you selectively choose what rules to follow and what rules to disregard, typical Theist hypocrisy. Hates porn but watches it. Hates Liberalism and ''duh secular world'' but buys stuff from Amazon and goes to restaurants. Okay bro
No its not 🤦♂️
There are plenty of arguments against god, (especially the Christian one) that aren’t “well I don’t like it”
@@Bassmachine227 What are these arguments of yours? Conceptually, it is impossible to positively disprove that God exists, because any evidence you employ to reach that conclusion could simply have been manufactured by God. God’s existence is unfalsifiable.
@@VeritasVivet yes the concept of a creator god is un falsifiable but the Christian god is falsifiable
I don't think "the burden is on atheists to explain why they're right and everyone else is wrong". If someone were saying "it is true that no deities exist", I would agree, but a common atheist position is "I don't believe in any deities" without asserting the nonexistence of deities. I can't prove that god doesn't exist, just like I can't prove that aliens don't exist. And just because most societies believe in deities, it doesn't mean that it's true or that atheists should too.
Well atheists do have a burden since atheism is a belief.
Once again I'm offering to have a conversation on discord for a video as a leftist atheist. I don't aim to poke holes in your religion, but ask questions about claims like "lack of religion causes violence and chaos". I think we could have a very interesting talk
I'm responding to this in hopes that it gains traction that would be a very interesting conversation and video.
That would be interesting.
awesome, I'm glad to find you here, sad to see you so low down though.
I think that would be interesting to see! I hope that conversation happens one day it would be neat to see what y'all talk about.
As a newly born again Christian, I appreciate how much respect was put into this. Gotta work on my own temper, so your example here helps a lot.
38:43
as an Atheist, I'm here to tell you that Zoomer needs work on his arguments more than his temper
Something I've never understood from atheism is how they seem to be intrinsically linked to demonology. Several of those memes had such iconography, and that was another question I've asked in the past and not got an answer. I understand that being a satanist is completely different then an athiest, but the venn diagram seems to have them both occupying some similar spaces. And I've wondered from an athiest standpoint if most of them are against the demon iconography, or if it's just a biproduct of being self empowered.
ex the meme of baphomet and demon horn insta filter, etc..
and then on the second example, "I was only able to summon one demon with tarot cards" .....
Some real irony... LeVay Satanism was really just hedonism in disguise. He didn't believe in anything "after", and that the current life should be enjoyed to the maximum. He taught that people lived for themselves, and that their own happiness was paramount. Later in life, he regretted "going off message" so much with the shock-value stuff.
Probably a combination of wanting to anger Mom & Da….. I mean Christians (from my understanding most “Satanism” is really just an Atheist kayfabe), and trying to find spiritual meaning in life after leaving Christianity. At least that’s probably what they would explain it as, who knows what’s happening in the spiritual realm
This makes sense because in the end they both serve the designs of the same master, whether they realize it or not
I think it is either just a coincidence or a way to provoke a response (basically to troll). We shouldn't loop all atheists in with demonology or Satanism like that.
@@junothepeasant Not looping them all in, saying based on the references provided, it was a common theme. Even if it's a troll, which it could likely be, it's still weird (multiple, unassociated trolls on a common theme?). Maybe pandering to a second audience? But even if that's the case, it appears to be a connection or at a minimum, a perceived kinship. But why? The belief in nothing, vs the belief in one's self. They seem incompatible and I've often wondered if there's either a disassociative disorder or a cognitive sociopathy component. A void that begins to be filled by .. something.
How do you reinforce a strong devotion to nothing. You repeat the nothing, over and over, and I guess, hope it doesn't fill up with something else. The universe finding an empty vessel.
Even as an agnostic atheist this video is pretty funny but I don't know if I should cry or laugh because of what sites like Reddit have done to the reputation atheists in the eyes of many
Tips fedora
@@JanJansen985 "Sky daddy"
Do you know what gnostic means?
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 Yes but agnosticism isnt an opposite to gnosticism
@@mike8930 Lol never said it was man.
I remember I went to a Midwest cowboy church with my friend a few times for Sunday service. The pastor greeted us immediately and asked what denomination I believed in and I told him the truth at the time: being I’m agnostic. He welcomed me in like an old friend with open arms and a firm handshake despite our differences. There was also a breakfast area where the food costs money but they let us eat for free despite the fact we didnt have the same beliefs. That and other experiences with Christianity makes me know that as a Christian or not. You have to admit Christian’s are among the nicest group of people you can meet
Remember brothers and sisters.
Regardless of demononation and disagreement on interpretation.
We are all brothers and sisters in christ
Aside from being offered a comprehensive understanding of the Gospel, I think the best way to change the mind of people like these is to take them traveling around the globe, meet lots of new people and cultures and hear lots of different stories. The intricate beauty of the world is what specifically leads me to God.
Right! There's literally no place like earth known to man
@@54032Zepolknown or not known?
@unitedstates1134 you say as if no atheists or agnostic have been to any part of the world or different cultures and beauty as far as we know it is a subjective human experience and you say as if it make lead them specifically to the christian god who not any other god then
I wouldn't say beauty is a universal solution. In my agnostic days I witnessed a lot of beauty with little effect. In my case, God used evil to save me, using it to show me the hollowness of a materialstic morality (which I have to to believe is really a contradition) and by contradition the truth of his word.
@@miguelatkinson Seeing the beauty and intricacy of the world will (hopefully) lead them to God, and we need them to *at least* believe in a God before we can convince them that the Christian God is the true God.
DUDE I had a 3 day argument back and forth with the “i am atheist girl” account on the Threads app😂 I tried being charitable but she was so dull yet arrogant.
1 Peter 3
What did you discuss?
What did you argue
Tell atheist girl that studies show that when old men were given testosterone they became LESS religious, not more, I wonder how she will react to that 😅. How would she feel if she knew she has a lot of testosterone for a woman…
@@evanevanf4033source?
as a christian going into a field of science when im older, i really hate and dont understand the seperation of science and religion, science and religion gotta be two of the most related things on earth man
Religion was literally created and still exists to this day to explain what was and is still unexplainable.
As we’ve learned more about our world and the universe, the less we needed religion to give us those answers. Of course religion still exists today because there are still many questions we can’t answer with science such as the creation of the universe.
Those that try to separate science and religion don’t understand why religion fundamentally exists to begin with.
@@Sunny92809also people don’t have a lot of testosterone to snap them out of it: research shows that when old men were given testosterone they became LESS religious, not more, which would explain why women are generally more religious than men. Personally I don’t have a problem with it and I think it’s totally natural and kind of cute when women believe in these things. Secular women who don’t believe in anything supernatural however…
@@Sunny92809funny then that Christianity and sciance coexist so easily
It’s so annoying when atheists say that science disproves Christianity. Science demonstrates how the world works, it does not in any way explain why things are the way they are. Science is simply a gift from God to helps us understand his beautiful creation.
I know a few catholics that do not believe in evolution, but I do, as I do not think everything in the bible should be taken in an extreme literal way.
@@jacobinator4981the bible was written in the way that many stories were at the time, and it was considered cultured to reference events in examples through mythical tales. The bible tells real events in a mythical way
@@anthroimperzia3927 yes exactly
Science fills in the gaps of our knowledge of the universe that gods used to fill.
@@-gemberkoekje-5547 Plural?
33:23 As a Catholic Zoomer, this whole conversion meme always gets me laughing. I'd take it as a compliment for how good you are in bringing Christians with different backgrounds together. PS: you're fine as a presby too!
can you explain why to become catholic(currently christian)? lots of what the church preaches is unbiblical the way i understand it.
The bible says to forbid marriage is demonic(1timothy 4), but the priests are banned from it.
The bible says that we should never make images of the lord(10 commandments), but you got crucifix's.
Pretty sure Jesus said something about not making up rules, can't remember where though, and Jesus said in Matthew 6:7 not to repeat/babble on when praying like pagans who think if they keep repeating the lord will hear you better. I think the rosary fits into both of those categories.
Not trying to be condescending or mean, just trying to learn your point of view and find out more of the truth.
@@timbonthuus1619 It isnt the truth
@@timbonthuus16191. Priests number 1 priority is Jesus and spreading the gospel, and having spouses would sometimes distract them from the grace of God, still not too sure though but thats what God intended i think, 2. I think you were speaking for “Thou shall make no idols” it meant dont make false idols and think theyre the real God, the crucifix means the sacrifice of Jesus’s and love 3. It said to not babble and repeat because God is all ears, hes willing to listen every time you speak hes not that type of God like “Work for it to get my attention” those are paganistic gods, God doesnt want that hes gonna listen no matter what just because he loves you, also thank you for not going for a mean stance quite rare in the atheistic world lol, you have a humble heart i suggest learning more about God and his goodness
@timbonthuus1619 I'll explain the making of images. There are two different types of images made in the Bible. There is the graven image that God forbids and the non graven image. we remember the story of the golden calf. The israelites made a golden calf to make their god. God was angry, and he punished them for that. Do you also remember the story of the building of the ark of the covenant and Solomon's temple? God told them to make a statue of cherubs(angels), which should be directly against the ten commandments, right? Well, no. The golden calf was wrong because they made an idol. They created something to call god and bow down to and worship. The cherubs, on the other hand, were imagery. Not for the purpose of worship. Catholics fall into the latter category. We don't worship the statues and icons cause they can neither see nor hear us. They are imagery that we use.
Then for forbidding marriage. There actually was a group or groups of christian sects at the time that saw marriage and sex as immoral. The CC does not teach this. It encourages marriages. Marriage is even a sacrament, which means we believe that it gives grace. For priests; however, the life of a priest is not an easy one. When priests are not saying mass, they are praying(canonical hours) reading or visiting others. A priest's life is not stable. His bishop at any point in time can move him to a new parish or diocese. So what do you suppose his wife and kids do? Do they uproot their lives and move with him, or do they stay alone without him. I don't think it's fair to the wife or the kids. Even if they stay with him, with the busy life of a priest, he won't be able to give her the love and attention that is rightly hers. She might soon become an object of his pleasure. Only when he wants sex that he would make time, but other times he's too busy with his pastoral duties. Yes, it's not the same for everyone, and the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Eastern Catholics make it work, but what works for some would not always work for others.
The CC acknowledges that Peter was married. According to CC traditions, Peter was a widower. But let's imagine for a second he was not. So Peter just left her all alone to follow Jesus. With him gone, there would be a significant drop in income. Things would become harder for her. Not only that, but she would be lonely without her husband. she also won't be protected(the same way that some girls put men shoes outside their doors even if there is no man in the house to deter robbers and other criminals). It's just not fair to the wives of these clerics. Even Paul says that it is better to stay unmarried. If you love your wife(which you are commanded to), your pastoral duties would be affected. If you focus on your duties, you might mistreat the wife God gave you. You need to a balance which not everyone can find.
@@timbonthuus1619About point 2 as Christians we'll agree that the ultimate meaning of life is but to answer God's call. This could (as it is for most people) involve starting a family, and then so be it; but if following the Lord's will eventually leads to full-time serving his Church, then It becomes acceptable even not to get married. And this leads back to Jesus himself, whose whole Life was devoted to serving the Father alone. To sum up, the way of marriage is not the only way, for even marriage is not of our making but a gift of His grace.
Redeemed Zoomer is about to become Catholic!
Let's hope 😂
can you explain why to become catholic? lots of what the church preaches is unbiblical the way i understand it.
The bible says to forbid marriage is demonic(1timothy 4), but the priests are banned from it.
The bible says that we should never make images of the lord(10 commandments), but you got crucifix's.
Pretty sure Jesus said something about not making up rules, can't remember where though, and Jesus said in Matthew 6:7 not to repeat/babble on when praying like pagans who think if they keep repeating the lord will hear you better. I think the rosary fits into both of those categories.
Not trying to be condescending or mean, just trying to learn your point of view and find out more of the truth.
@@timbonthuus1619 thanks for being respectful to answer your first point it's more of an obligation to God and devotion and is no way demonic
And the 2nd point is actually interpreting the scripture and seeing how God forbids something the 3th part is just an act of worship to the Lord and also asking Mary through the Holy Spirit to pray for us
nice
@benextraanimates7398
where in the bible does it say that mary can hear you? Where does it say that if she can hear you she will pray for you? And where does it instruct us to do so?
Scientists don't gather and sing about gravity --WELL THEY SHOULD! It's an amazing, wonderful thing, and I absolutely think it's worth jumping for joy over. I mean, the fact that you jump, and then come back down. How cool is that?
Well gravity isn’t alive
One argument I hate is when people say “Christians only want to be around other Christians” which is so wrong, you should always love your neighbor and respect others
Hell, I have friends of every type of person, gay, black, middle eastern, Hispanic, white, you name it
Sometimes I find it somewhat painful to be around nonbelievers but it's since I can't stop imagining them being damned. It's hurtful because I love them and I know that even if I were a good preacher of the faith I couldn't save them all.
Southern Baptists wouldn't approve
Hey I recently started researching my faith and I wanted to say thanks for being a faithful zoomer
“The flood is coming for everyone and Christianity is the only Ark on which to escape the flood” 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I like how they claim to be intellectuals but use the same brain dead arguments and blatantly refuse to listen to any counter evidence.
What you described is all humans, really. I feel like not listening to reason is more common for religious people, atheists are more logical and accept new evidence (Unlike religious people, who are more bound to interpretations of scripture)
evidence cannot exist with faith.
are you sure you're finding the best that the other side has to offer?
I'm an atheist and my reasoning isn't really covered on the "atheist argument wheel", so I'll try to explain it here.
Obviously, I can't deny the existence of a God with absolute certainty. Nobody can. However, there is one thing that I can be fairly certain of - if there is a God, it doesn't really operate the way most religions claim it does. The Abrahamitic God in particular is distinctly human in character. Vengeance, mercy, the desire to be worshipped, these are all very clearly human traits. Think about it - why would a literal God, an omnipotent being with unimaginable power, need/want to be worshipped by beings like us, who would be to this God what bacteria are to us?
I really enjoy sci-fi, particularly if it involves aliens. The more alien and weird the better. However, it is very hard, if not impossible, to come up with truly *alien* aliens as a writer. More often than not, fictional aliens just end up being humans with tails and blue skin. The point is, humans already have trouble conceptualising something (in comparison to a God) trivial like another biological being that just happened to evolve under different circumstances. We could never even hope to accurately understand the motivations of a God, or Gods, if such beings existed. All the rules dictated by various religions, they are human rules clearly made by humans for humans. If there is a God, and if it does actually care what we do with our lives on an individual level (pretty big and, imo, unrealistic expectation, given there are not only billions of people but also billions of potentially inhabited planets across the universe) it clearly would be pointless for us to try and guess at its intentions or motives, much less try to live our lives according to what we THINK this being wants. There just is no point in it, other than as a fun exercise in creative fiction or philosophy.
Ironically the most reasonable depiction of God(s) in my opinion comes from the pagan/animist religions that our distant ancestors believed in, where the divine was conceptualised in the form of distinctly non-human nature spirits that just do their thing beyond anyone's comprehension.
TLDR If there is a God, or multiple ones, it ultimately doesn't matter what we believe (or don't believe) because this being would realistically be so utterly alien to us that we'd have no hope of ever even coming close to understanding its motivations or desires.
I will say this as a Christian. Your argument does make sense and I can see why you’d believe it because it is very compelling. But let me say this, it is better to believe than not to believe. Because if there is a God and if you don’t believe or live an honorable life, and said God requires that you do so, it would be a lot harder to get into an afterlife (or heaven) then if you did believe and live an honorable life.
A lot of these memes gave me serious brain damage. Good point at the end of the vid though: people’s disbelief in Christ is largely spiritual rather than intellectual. It’s just as Psalm 14 says: the fool says in his heart “there is no God”. His heart- not his mind.
The heart is an organ that pumps blood I don't think the heart has the ability to feel and also stop trying to push off people's disbelief in your god as emotional rather than intellectual and come up with something new rather citing the same old fucking bible verse which isn't even talking about atheists so please stop
Atheist country song: "Science, Take the Wheel"
We dont worship science...
But they use science to guide through a godless universe, while we use it to show Gods wonderful creation, fallen or not.
Just a joke
What happens when Jesus takes the wheel?
@@June28July normally good things, actually good things all of the time from personal experience
as a new Christian (my second year lol) from Türkiye, the theological illiteracy of both atheist and muslims trying to challenge me the second they see my cross is astounding. The good thing is more than 3 people have listened me with pure curiosity and now we attend to church together.
bro got brainwashed by david wood and apostate prophet 💀
Welcome to Christianity! ✝❤
>The Serpent was the hero in the garden of Eden
In other words, Gnosticism. You know what has roots in Gnosticism? Communism. Kind of going full circle huh?
What does Communism have to do with gnosticism
@@briandiehl9257they're both silly
@@calico.5588 that's like saying that pineapple on pizza being silly and gambling being silly means they are suddenly directly related.
I find your journey amazing, you have given me hope in the younger peeps. Much love from Canada from a jesus loving boxer/booklover
Why do calvinists always assume that non calvinists "don't understand" calvinism? People can understand calvinism 100 percent, and disagree with it(as all christians should).
Thank you for making these videos. I’m glad to see your channel growing.
My atheist/unfaithful friend group and Christian friend group differ so drastically from each other. The un-devout theists/atheists are jerks and self-centered people who make jokes about tragedies and women. The Christian group is a fun group that is infinitely happy and passionate about whatever they are doing.
Thought I would add this somewhere, this video seemed like a great place.
Funny because I've had the complete opposite experience throughput my life.
Ikr! I'm in a really far left mostly atheist server, the people there are very horny and are basically stereotypical discord mods... they keep making jokes mocking Christianity and mocking women. D: I don't check the server often because it is so toxic but even the one active user there who is Christian ends up mocking all the other denominations... yeah I don't think he's even Christian he is very left.
While irl at church, people are actually really nice! :D
@@jarrettlowery2802sorry to hear that. I probably just found a really good group of people or something, Church isn’t a museum for saints anyways, it is more of a hospital for sinners.
Interesting video! My only issue is towards the end the portrayal of young earth creationists. I think it's quite bold to assert that believing in a 6 day creation -- quite literally what the bible teaches and outlines, and what has been believed for the majority of Christian history, "started with the 7 day Adventists". 37:00 I think it's somewhat disingenuous to take the words of Genesis and reduce them to be the words of some recent prophetess.
Those evangelicals that talk about how inaccurate Argon rock dating is are actually spittin scientifically so
I am a simple man. I see new Redeemed Zoomer post, I click.
Same, lol.
I see a post from Redeemed Zoomer.
I click it.
There’s no scientific proof about what happens after death but yet they believe in dying
I agree they just say because it’s in the book then it’s the truth. It bothered me that he just glossed over the science vs religion argument at the start. God didn’t create the earth in 6 days. Eve wasn’t created from Adam’s rib. Then they argue that is not supposed to be literal. Then when you bring up another argument they argue against it using verses in a literal sense.
@@yokie8201 finally someone who understands
Man...
For a couple of years, I've identified myself as an atheist, but looking at your definitions of what atheism is, I've found that I'm moreso agnostic than anything. Thanks for helping me identify myself in a more accurate way.
The problem of evil still hasn't been debunked.
Every theodicy boils down to "God allows evil in order to accomplish XYZ" and if God was really omnipotent, He could accomplish XYZ without allowing evil, regardless of what XYZ is.
Your statement is true, but outside the context of if God wants human free will and autonomy.
God could probably stop all human evil and make it so that we could only do good. However, this would come at the cost of human free will, meaning that we would not be capable of committing evil, but at the same time, doing whatever is good (again, what is good is disagreed upon but we recognize there are some common ideas of kindness, love, generosity, justice, etc.)
If God creates humans to only be able to do one thing, that means he has created a set of puppets or playtoys. So either God must create beings with free will with the possibility of evil, or create no beings with free will. The latter would be a meaningless creation, and God would be creating, well, meaningless things. Even if humans without freewill did "good" things, it means nothing without freedom, as humans would not choose that, it would just be God doing it (sort of like how a person with toys inputs actions into their toys, and the toys do nothing).
Here is a Christian response to the problem of evil (from a website article, which I can share to you if you would like to see a way more detailed explanation than mines), as written by Epicurus, that is commonly brought up:
[Begin quote]
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but unable to? Then he is not omnipotent." Answer: God is willing to limit evil and has acted to do just that. So, He is still omnipotent.
"Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent." Answer: God is able, but not willing, to abolish our free will. So, He is still omnibenevolent.
"Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?" Answer: God has acted to defeat evil. Evil comes simply when we fall short of His will.
"Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Answer: God is not willing to prevent our free will. (Our) disapproval does not make Him any less God.
[End quote]
This of course does not mean much if there is no God or if there is no belief in God, as there is no God to criticize or not standard to criticize Him with. But it does refute the idea that there cannot be a God that can be both omnipotent, omnibelevolent, and allow evil at the same time. God can and does (according to the Christian texts) respond to human evil multiple times. So this refutes the idea that God is passive in response to evil. And it is noted that He has provided a solution for that evil (whether we trust in it or not, that does not matter). He does these things without infringing on the human free will. So I suppose other questions rise such as "does God do too much?" Or "does God not do too much?" Or "do I agree or like God's methods?" But these are ultimately us making judgements about God according to our own ideas of morality. These alone do not refute the possibility of God being omnipotent and omnibelevolent at the same time.
The answers to Epicurus's questions could be countered by saying that if God is omnipotent, then he should surely be able to make humans with free will that are only capable of good. But this is a contradiction, or a paradox. A paradox is not possible, whether we are an ant, or the highest divine being. A paradox is nothing, or impossible in all scenarios because it is illogical. Christians (and other religions maybe) say that "God can do all things." It must be emphasized that God can do "all possible things." What is logically impossible is, well, impossible.
Again, you can disagree with the existence of God or how God acts, but the main point is that regardless of that, an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God that allows evil can exist.
I think it’s as simple as, God knows that at the end, there I’ll be greater things for us than this life. He will either stop the rain instantly, or see that with it will come a rainbow. We choose to sin everyday, subconsciously we sin too. But God grants us a way out, not by having the best life ever, but by being able to have peace amongst the storm. That’s at least how I see it, from a biblical point of view.
Ok, I don’t know how I haven’t subscribed to you yet, but I have now!
Thank you for your insight Redeemed Zoomer. It’s been a blessing as I learn more and more about my faith. :)
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It's ironic that Newton discovered the laws of gravity and he was a firm Christian and creationist before it was a term.
But being Christian at that time was the norm in Europe. Next to all children were indoctrinated to varying degrees into the faith, and being non-Christian could get you into some serious trouble.
@@zoushuu I know. I think it was Archbishop Ussher who had an unofficial stance on creationism that Kepler and Newton both subscribed to.
@@zoushuu but I’m still very much like Newton on my beliefs. Hope you know that. Sincerely, OWM 😃
You're a wonderful speaker and it's amazing that you were able to give such a perfect answer to everything. Must have been thinking about this a lot. 👍
hey, I'm an Atheist. these answers aren't perfect, a fair few are factually incorrect, I invite you to find the best arguments from the other side.
@@cediviannareeda4305 you will never convince someone to change their mind just based on a comment. they cant prove god exists, so why would they need to prove facts exist? everything is made by god, and god is all knowing. so god made you say that. apparently. circular arguments all day.
@@VD-cc4hx I'm… not trying to convince them with one comment, I'm trying to convince them by beckoning them to better Atheist works, I don't know what comment of mine you were reading.
As for your other argument… I highly encourage you to find better Atheist works as well, because this is simply a bad argument, and you should educate yourself before you continue being so proudly incorrect.
I say again, cuz you seem to have trouble reading, Atheists have made videos on why that argument is bad, and they're not hard to find, so find them.
Your recent videos have been really entertaining, keep up the good work 👍
Every person I've met in my stint at christian schools is relatively happy to be there. I don't know why the post author claimed it's so terrifying when it's actually a pretty nice environment for the kids who secretly aren't believers.
I'm sorry what? from your experience of 1 Christian school, you've concluded that all Christian students are happy to go to a Christian school, while all the nonbelievers are terrified?
even if your experience matches every other school, that's still a massive issue, why are Christian schools so terrifying for nonbelievers?
@@cediviannareeda4305 I've been to two, actually. And both me and multiple friends don't follow the faith, at least not exactly. Either way, it's anecdotal evidence- but that's all I can provide, really. Just my two cents.
@@YouCanCallMeIz even so, I hope you see the problem with a school that students are terrified to go to simply because of what they do or don't believe.
Atheists: I bElIeVe In ScIeNcE
Majority of scientists: I believe in a* God
like 51% of ALL scientists believe in a higher power
Redeemed Zoomer about to become Catholic CONFIRMED!
Dang, as an agnostic, this shit is so cringeworthy lmfao. I don't believe in a specific religion, but I'm not going around and bashing them either.
Dude- it really is amazing to watch how you think you’re just nailing it.
As someone who grew up in a fairly good biblical Church, then had a bit of a crisis of faith as a teen and at college before returning to my faith. These videos have been incredibly interesting. I like your intellectual approach, and fearless arguments for Christianity. Thanks.
It's odd how much they seem to resent God, which makes no sense if they truly believe He doesn't exist...
It’s not a difficult concept to grasp. I resent Voldemort, but I don’t believe he exists. I would resent the idea of Voldemort a lot more if his character portrayal in a story had a large following of people that were trying to push the teaching of wizardry in public schools along side science, actively aiding in the spread of disease by preventing use of contraceptives or vaccines, and giving the silliest arguments for how Voldemort actually exists and he loves you, but do X to please Him or you’ll suffer forever in Azkaban.
@mcfarvo I swear when can Christians open their eyes and just drop the "atheists hate god" stereotype like no we don't resent your god since that would suggest or implie his existence no your targeting misotheists not atheists
We resent being tricked by God people. If you met someone who never heard of God stuff, they would not be miserable.
What if I told you that emotions are almost inherently irrational. Not that atheists are typically angry at god, btw......
I've always been more into geography, history and whatnot, as a kid I read kings and chronicles the most out of my Bible, so that may probably be why I'm Orthodox now though I was raised non-denominational.
I haven't met anyone who ever became a Christian without either being one from birth, or having a personal experience with God later on.
Very few people are going to be convinced solely through reading a Bible. Other religions have holy books with beautiful prose, after all. You have to consider it from the perspective of a non-believer. It's hard enough to open up to the possibility of a God, let alone to find your way to the one true God. It's natural that these people are going to be skeptical.
For my money the only real way is through the grace of the Holy Spirit. A personal, undeniable experience with God. While this may be unintelligible to other people, when touched by the Holy Spirit the non-believer has that evidence he's always been after. Everything falls into place from there.
I'm not sure I'd have it any other way. This was the way I found God. Does Christ really want His flock to believe "just because"? There is no substitute for grace.
As for what we can do to convince atheists: I think being preachy doesn't work. I never found it convincing when I didn't believe. They can smell the insecurity. You know what I did find convincing? What opened my mind to the possibility? Seeing the effect of grace on the converted. Seeing the difference it made in the ordinary lives of those Christians I knew. Grace is the only way, but grace necessarily creates good works. It's highly improbable you actually believe if you're not doing good works. Works may not be necessary for salvation, but they stand as testament to the grace you've experienced.
A lot of people seem to forget that Christ said to "Love one another, as I have loved you". He didn't just sit around quoting scripture and arguing with non-believers - He fed them, healed them, gave them wine and friendship, and ultimately gave His life for them. We should follow this example. Testify to our faith through works. Who knows, it may open up another to the grace of God. Dry theological arguments sure won't.
You missed the "Hitchens' Razor" category; what is presented without evidence can be rejected without any evidence.
Atheism is a form of belief system, but absolutely unscientific.
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So, is it possible for a non-elect to get into Heaven? Like you said temporary faith exists apparently so wouldn’t that mean they could get into Heaven?
Also I heard you were talking about the Old Testament in a strange way in my opinion. What did you mean when you were saying that it should be taken as mostly stories and not a true history? I know there is poetry in the Bible and there is metaphors and that kind of thing but I still think that we should take it as complete truth. If we don’t take a single part of the Bible as true then we get to close to reversing what it means to either chose what we want it to mean or just chose to delete a part of the text as completely false.
Anyways I loved the video, can’t wait for more.
Great video once again! A small comment, coming from someone from a Lutheran background about your comment on Once Saved Always Saved:
One of the main arguments for traditional calvinist soteriology going around the interwebs is the argument that the Trinity must be undivided in its operation -I think you used it yourself in one of your videos-, e.g the Father elects unconditionally from eternity, the Son atones for the elect and the Holy Spirit regenerates the elect, and all such individuals will persevere until the end. My question is then, how is it possible for someone to have a "temporary faith" under such a system? Meaning, how can someone have saving faith apart from the Holy Spirit? Because if the Holy Spirit gives faith to the unelect and thereby unatoned for and therefore unregenerate? Wouldn't that contradict the argument from unity mentioned above, seeing as then it would seem that the Trinity doesn't operate as united as claimed? Again just curious what you would say. Not super informed on Presbyterian soterrology seeing as I come from a Lutheran background. Would be nice to hear so that I can understand your system better!
God be with you all!❤
I went to catholic schools and as I’ve grown up and sort of lost faith, I’ve realised just how much they left out when teaching us religion.
There’s a massive chunk that the schools must have just decided was too mature for any age and never taught us.
I never learned anything about Hell, I never learned anything about the Angels, I never even learned that Jesus is supposed to come back one day.
Perhaps a lot of “Atheists” were just taught in a way that had the opposite effect in establishing belief.
16:30 99% most churches would give you money to help you. Yeah its not always the case, but from the ones I know of they will help you financially.
I can't and will never understand why there is so much hate between theists and atheists. It's the same kind of ridiculous trench warfare like the Democrats vs Republicans thing.
Instead of shouting insults and nonsensical arguments at each other, we should all listen to voices of reason and engage in normal human dialogue with each other.
As an agnostic myself I really enjoy your content, keep up the good work! Maybe react to ridiculous theist posts next time?
Because monotheistic religious texts are known to chastise non belief and subsequently non believers. We are seen as "the enemy". Even Jesus allegedly says those that are not with him are against him.
@@whatwecalllife7034 Well yeah, if a religious text didn't compel belief and chastise non-belief, it wouldn't work as well. I don't see why I should care what a religious text I don't believe in says about me
because atheists have tried to genocide christians countless times
Obviously you would be against him as he died for our salvation. You rejecting him means you reject what he stands for. It’s not meant to be cynical, just a clear observation.
I've never though about "Casting your pearls before swine" in that way before.
As a Christian Philosopher myself, (I'm trying my best), thank you for this wisdom ❤
As an atheist, I find your channel extremely interesting. Thank you for bringing a fresh insight to religion and theology!