Go to the 1962 topographic map of Ireland. You'll see OMRY, the long nosed demon holding the Holy Grail(a gold skull inscribed (OMRY), there's what appears to be a bloodline flowing into the grail inscribed JAWCHOAM, the land is the biblical record, like Mount Rushmore put to shame.
@@johnanon658Race isn't real. Only culture. Are Hungarians Asian or Slavic? Check their DNA and the results will say their the same as their neighbors despite their origins
Goblin mode: activated! Also....I had a theory that yōkai were sorta Japanese views of non Asian people. Keep that in mind for NOW where some white neckbeard has a yōkai waifu (think like Touhou), only for him to find out his "waifu"'s people were based off of HIS people!
@@shirleymaemattthews4862That's actully true for some youkai. Tsuchigumo were based on proto-Ainu culture groups, imported Chinese concepts of Tengu got merged with Yamabushi mountain hermits...The karakasa obake umbrella youkai is also possibly a warped folk memory of some one eyed blacksmith caste. Heck, Oni might just be monsterized bandit folktales.
@@BirdieRumia Wait...since Tengu were merged with Yamabushi, ACTUAL people...couldn't that mean they're RACIST or RUDE caricatures of mountain monks, especially with the long noses and red skin? As well as the Tsuchigumo or whoever being Ainu people?!?
So crazy how gunpowder was invented in China, went all the way to Portugal, then got introduced to Japan. Nearly made a full trip around the globe to get next door.
@@aetranm Cannons never became widespread in feudal Japan and the ones they did get were usually European ship cannons adapted for land use. But they did indeed have gunpowder and more primitive type of firearms centuries before the encounter with the Portuguese. The original teppô, whose direct counterparts were also around in Medieval Europe and China, was like a miniature handheld cannon at the end of a long pole since you didn't want it near you when it went off.
@tileux Firearms made of bamboo have never been the norm, except for launching rockets -- the Indians didn't have reliable metallurgy for gun barrels for a long time so they specialised in rocket warfare surprisingly early and the Chinese also had their share of those. But if you made an actual cannon out of bamboo that would only mean that you were making improvised weapons in extremely dire straits. The Chinese absolutely had the technology to make cannons out of iron or bronze, but the Chinese economy had collapsed during the Opium Wars, so I can imagine some McGuyvering going on during that time.
Japan actually know about gunpowder earlier than European. Japan is just lagging behind on the gunpowder weaponry compared to the rest of Asia because of their isolationism.
@cancerino666, the Japanese shogun already had guns (likely from their Dutch friends). The Portuguese priests were SELLING guns to the outter province Nobles for high price behind the back of the Shogun (and likely against his rules since he wouldn’t want those Nobles to be more armed then his family).
Dude, as a native Portuguese speaker, it’s amazing how there are A LOT of Portuguese words disguised as Japanese, not mentioning the ones that are Portuguese straight forward.
It is not disguised, it was adopted through the creation of Katakana, a writting system originally created by the Japanese to incorporate foreign language words into their writting system. Tho Katakana was only created quite a while after the first coloniz- i mean, foregneirs came over, thats why the words sound or look funky, because they couldn't recreate the exact sound of them with Hiragana or Kanji and had to write it as closely as they could with Hiragana
Japanese lord: "Would you teach me how to shoot this gun, o wise one?" Portuguese trader: "Just squint and aim, that's pretty much it really" Japanese lord: "Ah! You mean to say that true clarity is only achieved when you let go of your prideful eye and you are able to focus on the small details of the world that surrounds you. You are truly wise in the ways of life." Portuguese trader: "Uh.... sure?"
@@SassyTheSasquatch96 You have it almost right, they made their own fire arms but based on European design. They did however know about gunpowder but didnt apply it in great numbers for warfare. So they DID take the idea from Europeans.
@@PandorasFolly So these memes are not so true, because these guns came to Japan long before and didn't become popular until later gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2018/03/tanegashima-teppou-sinking-myth.html
@@Alienwatcher so you think they were trying to start a coup because they were ‘bribing’ lords. I’m questioning why they also gave free medicine and money to everyone, even those with no power, if all they wanted was power to overthrow the government. It certainly didn’t earn them any good will as the people of Japan looked down on them at the time. I’m thinking you already came to the conclusion that they were evil and you’ve ignored any evidence to the contrary
The old paintings of Europeans from that time are hilarious. The Japanese draw themselves to look almost identical with few noticeable differences, but they draw the Portuguese like their these goblin creatures.
The philosophical discourse about squinting one eye was priceless. The portuguese guy must have been like, " bro, you just need to line up the two lines with the dot at the end of the barrel. Im not sharing the secrets of the universe"
We still teach marksmanship the same in the military. You keep both eyes open when you're aiming down sights and you need to see the full field of view. If you're in sniper school you close an eye or block it so you can focus more pointedly on your specific target with less distraction. It made perfect sense, and it's interesting to note that Europeans were teaching these rules of marksmanship that early.
@@Michael-jq8iqconsidering they had to translate from Portuguese to Chinese, then from Chinese to Japanese and back each sentence that‘s probably exactly what happened lol
@@westenicho what is amazing is that centuries before, the chinese had already made very bulky primitive guns that lookws like a cross between a blunderbus and a small cannon and were held at waist height in the crook of the arm and fired st the enemy. So, Europeans didnt really invent guns, either. The Chinese beat them by several centuries. Look it up online.
The accuracy of describing jaundice, malnourishment, and the physical looks of someone clearly at sea for extreme long periods is remarkable. It would undoubtedly look and smell like a demon coming ashore.
I'll LOVE for a comedy based on these Portugal or European dudes going to Japan. 😂 But as well as them TIME TRAVELING to modern Japan, and seeing what this weird moé, otaku, and manga stuff is! 😂
Yep, the yellow eyes tipped me off, too. I agree, after months on a cramped wooden ship, nobody looks or smells very pretty. Though I'm afraid the "nose like a conch shell" is probably something that Europeans just have to own.
I was wondering about that. Yeah, that would make you look like a goblin if you had a long nose too. And if you had an epicanthic fold, that would make a Westerner of the time think you were sinister. I've seen Japanese drawings of Commodore Perry that show him as pale white with a big nose and an epicanthic fold of sorts. Seems like they didn't quite notice that Westerners didn't have one because the skin color and nose was more noticeable.
Funny because I started to think they were from Morocco or Algeria or Tunisia (Barbary Coast), then I realized they mean Indonesia and Indochina 😀 Portugese used to have colonies in Indonesia and Malesua during the time, so it actually makes sense
That one was probably a weird translation convention the original text probably said something like "Southern barbarian land" (in Japanese obviously) and the current translator decided to render it like this
To be fair, the Portuguese colonized Malacca in what is now modern-day Malaysia in Southeast Asia, so they would reach Japan from the south, hence why they were referred to as "Southern Barbarians"... And also, during the early years of contact, most of Asia thought of the Portuguese as pirates, they were probably thought of as stateless wandering sea gypsies.
Yes indeed , Fyi some parts of southern India , and countries in Asia like Sri Lanka , Maldives , Philippines were also controlled by Dutch and Portugese during the colonial period era
"rectify the heart" is a very Japanese translation of "hold still" because a flint or match lock blows up in your face a little and if that makes you flinch, you miss.
the christians thought the same of budhism in the first ecnounter. A european travelr mentioned these weird christians who wore yellow robes and had funny doctrine but they worshiped a spiritual teacher and had holy scripture so they were Christians.
That account of the buddhist vs christian debate read like an edgy atheist reddit comment lol. The only thing that was missing was how everyone stood up and clapped.
"You're a barbarian" "yeah but look at this incredibly innovative, effective, efficient and easy to use ranged weapon contraption that will upset the power structures of the whole world and the technology of which will still be relevant even half a millenium later"
@@mattymerr701lol racism is a pseudosience developed in europe. this is what is generally understood as a precurser to racism. the religious differences and the rightful fear over christianization and portugese influence were the cause of the westerner ban. its very hard to compare different views on race or humanity through the ages. the romans believed ethiopians were burned by the sun and thus black. although this believe probably wasnt held long as black legionairies were quite common all over europe. the phoenicians thought gorillas were humans in their original form and describe them as human. you can see that our modern categories are not very good to describe past cultural phenomena. but you are right in our modern terms the japanese response has many aspects of modern racism. the sick and disafeected crew of an european exploring ship of that time must have been an astounding view. conditions were pretty bad on these ships and the crews were made up of pretty devious elements at that time. the europeans also forced and coerced alot of very different people on their ships and had in general a very unhealthy lifestyle. washing was seen as very unhealthy and people stank after incense, sweat and must have had a lot of skin diseases. in the view of the japanese were pirates who conquered islands in the south china sea. thats why they saw them as the southern barbarians. here you can really see the clash between a very feudal and collectivist society and the early explorers of capitalism.
the conversation about how to use a firearm is hilarious. Japanese guy is ready to open his mind to foreign philosophy and secrets while foreigners just tell him "Bruh! Close one eye and look straight down the damn barrel!"
"A bunch of barbarous 7 foot tall yellow eyed fanged and clawed hob goblins shreaking like owls and carrying magical murderous bang sticks... Theyre pretty chill."
@bvillafuerte765 I was thinking of scurvy as well on the yellow eyes, I did not have the impression they talked about the iris. However, maybe if that first Portuguese they met had hazel eyes, my mother has a very light tone, that could have been described as yellow?
5:06 In the 1990s, I was working in a University science dept. I saw two colleagues, one Japanese and one Chinese, reach the limits of their English in discussing a concept.They then wrote down the kanji for their points and immediately understood each other.
This is something I saw happen between a native Cantonese dialect speaker and a native Mandarin speaker. The Cantonese speaker was a senior citizen and most of the ethnic Chinese community had moved out of the city. The Mandarin speaker was a relatively young Chinese citizen visiting my city. When they had trouble understanding each other they just wrote it down. The kanji are the same.
I had a Chinese friend that lived with me in Japan. She could read a lot of things because the kanji was similar but had no idea how to say any of them.
I'm going to remember that phrase for when I go to the shooting range. "The secrets lie in rectifying your heart and in squinting one eye." "Squinting one eye does not mean that one cannot see clearly, but that one is concentrating and wishes to hit what is far away."
I'm blind in one eye and I genuinely blame that for me being as good a shot as I am when I'm able to take my time. 1st time I ever shot a rifle was an old 30.06, my grandads friend Bill set up a page out of a calendar propped up against a step part on the hill about 100 foot away, he took his shot and hit dead center of the picture, I took mine and hit his bullet hole.
And the Portuguese assessment of the Japanese: "[The Japanese people] are so crafty in their hearts that nobody can understand them. Whence it is said that they have three hearts: a false one in their mouths for all the world to see, another within their breasts only for their friends, and the third in the depths of their hearts, reserved for themselves alone and never manifested to anybody." From História da Igreja do Japão vol I pg 173, written by Father João Rodrigues, SJ. 1620 CE
The Japanese say something very similar about themselves. They have the concept of honne and tatemae - what you truly believe vs what you say and do because it is what society expects of you.
Extrovert: Yeh, he's cool. He may look reserved, but he has a heart of gold. Introvert: This mofo won't shut up, he'll say anything that crosses his mind, and he looks like a goblin that dressed up as a bat.
9:44 this conversation so interesting to me. I wonder too if they could have been referring to being calm before shooting, maybe lowering heart rate and using breathing, which could have commonalities w meditation and contemplation i think.
"They show their feelings without any self-control" Truly a latin/mediterranean characteristic, the opposite of the japanese introvert* culture Edit: by introvert i mean a reserved culture
@@hippocraticoaf8798 In my experience Norse peoples (of which I share some ancestry as well however this is unimportant) are not cold simply a bit awkward in truth. This is a charming thing and I have always enjoyed Norse peoples because of it. They remind me of the awkward country folk here in Texas.
@@justdoinmything I was being too deprecating, but truthfully I appreciate it looking back. My parents would argue with intense whispering behind closed doors. Or if I made a mistake in public, it was handled when we got home. You learn to read subtle eye movements and slight nods if you need to excuse yourself. My poor half latino friend had his dirty laundry verbally exposed all the time. PewDiePie moved to Japan, so maybe Scandinavians fit in nicely.
"An unnameable creature, someone similar in shape to a human being, but looking more like a long-nosed goblin" That sounds a little bit like me when I squint and look at my reflection in the mirror every morning.
This video is absolutely delightful. How wonderful to see our Western civilization from the point of view of an ancient Eastern culture. Thanks for your work, you've earned your sub and more!
“Just close an eye, it helps you aim better.” “Ahh, to see what is small. That is clarity. I have learned from the monks to rectify my spiritual heart, but this is not the same.” “Bro idk just do it.”
@@arditienthusiast8384 idk! It’s certainly true in this situation, but compare collectivist and secular modern China to the heavily religious (though decreasingly so) United States. Japan, nowadays, is one of the least mystical developed countries, and is known for its pragmatic society.
Except the East Asians generally are obsessed with European looks nowadays, and consider them the standard of beauty. Just more proof beauty is subjective and dictated by culture
@@L333gokconsidering jaundice and scurvy being a common thing back then for sailors, i’m confident these first accounts of contact with Europeans were with people literally at their physical worst. And also considering the history of plagues and how the immune system works, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Japanese’s very first interaction with these sailor diseases was at the same time as when these Europeans arrived.
Eh? Why would you expect people to use syllables that don't exist in their native language? I don't see English speakers adopting click consonants or tone-dependent meaning into their words.
@@user-hh2is9kg9j I've heard a lot of modern Japanese people actually describe Westerners as kinder than their fellow countrymen. Specifically that Westerners will always hold the door for the person behind them, apparently something not really seen in Japan.
17:08 a small correction: as Brazilian I know the word "hermano" doesn't exist in Portuguese, "iruman" was probably a mishearing of the word "irmão" that means brother
@@typeswitchhe's talking about the subtitles on the screen, it was supposed to be "Irmão" and not "hermano". They are the same word but still different languages.
@@sateo6310 I know. I'm just saying that @gabrielcunha2260 called "iruman" a mishearing of the word "irmão" and I'm pointing out that it's not a mishearing, it's the correct transcription of the word "irmão" into Japanese mora.
10:43 Here we hear a tale of how a Japanese lord became a gun guy. It happens to anyone regardless of nation or social class, when you fire the explodey stick, you grow to love it.
It’s hilarious that they considered him more frightening than monsters. Who knew that being tall, shaving your head, and dressing “like a bat” while speaking a foreign language would be so terrifying?
Fun fact: Japanese still have a popular cuisine called Nanban Style Chicken or Donkatsu (fried meat in bread crumbs). This name "Nanban" literally means "Southern Barbarian". This cuisine is believed to have been influenced by the Western cuisine. Japanese called Europeans Nanban (Southern Barbarians) because they all had to come through the South China Sea to reach Japan, so they believed that Europe was somewhere in the South of Asia.
That's a good example of why "cultural appropriation" is such a stupid and a-historical concept. I'm sure many progressives would screech Nanban-style dishes are the exclusive purview of Japanese completely ignorant that it's actually a Japanese interpretation of Portuguese cooking.
Double interpretation is kind of like running a conversation through a chat AI, it just becomes esoteric and comical about 2 responses down the line. Portuguese: "You have to line up the iron sights to be able to aim!" Japanese: "Yes, I too have mastered the art of emotional and spiritual balance, it's impressive how you also have such an understanding of the philosophy of clarity..."
The initial insteuctions probably related to both having to aim with a clear picture of your target, and being brave enough not to flinch when the charge went off. So I would say, evwn if somewhat esoteric, the message got across.
@@a2falcone This may be more effective with modern sniper rifles, but controlling your breathing to help you aim is still used. I think that is closer to the idea, with the general idea of total focus and concentration on the shot.
Weebs: "Samurai are noble and fight with honor, therefore they only use the Katana because it is the most honorable way to do battle." Actual Samurai the literal millisecond they get a hold of guns. "Stay strappedu or geta clappedu"
The samurai's main weapon of choice is a complicated discussion because it changed depending on era and circumnstance. In the early Heian period, a samurai was a mounted archer first and foremost, so it'd be the bow; a samurai on foot during this period would need a weapon to counteract cavalry so they'd either use a naginata or a yari (a spear). With the appearance of the teppo then mounted archers became less prevalent in the battlefield and the battle tactics were adapted for firing lines, which back then consisted on charging against the enemy and hoping you don't get killed. So light cavalry was favored, therefore a samurai's weapon would be a musket or a yari (which took the form of a cavalry lance). If at some point your weapon became disfavored (your lance broke or you shot once and don't have enough time to reload), you'd go to either your katana if you were on foot or your tachi if you were on horseback, the tachi being a larger and heavier saber than the katana and designed for mounted combat. The tachi would eventually fall out of use, same as the naginata, as firearms technology advanced so a samurai in need of a melee weapon would either just use a katana or a weapon called a nagamaki, which was like a katana but with a longer handle. Though naginata would still be used, mostly by women and sohei (warrior monks), and though women and sohei did see a lot of fighting (it was the Sengoku), it (mostly) wasn't the big battles that you'd see with organized armies - women and sohei mostly dealt with marauders and bandits trying to attack temples or samurai estates. Sohei would see a large mobilization with the apparition of the Ikko Ikki that kind of brought the naginata back into the limelight for a while. Come the Edo period the country the wars of the sengoku were over so samurai stopped using all of these weapons designed for the battlefield and in came the era of artistic light swords (katana) as both self defense weapons as well as status symbols; this is where the samurai = katana thing comes from - the sword back then was no longer a weapon of war, but a romanticized symbol that iconized the samurai caste. The naginata did have a bit of a resurgence here as samurai caste women did open their own martial arts schools, eventually forming the Jōshitai (娘子隊, Girls' Army), which fought during the fall of the Samurai against the Imperial Japanese Armies. As a bit of random fun fact, the idea of the honorable samurai also comes from this era because the bushido kind of became this mystic thing that samurai idealized - a samurai from the Sengoku would have no quarrels with having his buddy shoot his duel opponent with a musket during combat. As another bit of random fact, Yamamoto Yaeko of Joshitai fame would later go on to be the reason women's rights movements started so early in Japan.
@@gideonmele1556 Not so much alcoholism, but simply the fact that fresh water on a ship was not safe to drink. One had to either drink beer instead of water, or else add enough rum to the water to kill the various bacteria and parasites.
@@alexeyvlasenko6622 Beer cant be kept fresh and fit for consumption under these conditions. And I dont know, if Rum was a even thing at that time for the Spanish and Portugese, likely not. But like jaundice so are couperose and rosacea (both lead to a red nose) often linked to a damaged liver.
Fun fact: the illustrations of the person firing the gun with their feet were purposefully created to confuse the public. Tokitaka realised that such a simple weapon could easily fell a decade-long trained samurai and so he ordered the creation of such nonsensical works to hinder the use of guns by laypeople.
That is pretty crazy because I remember yesterday I watched a short about a soldier (French or British) during the Napoleonic era who was exceptionally good at a long range and I'm 99% sure they showed him shooting exactly like that, musket between the crossed feet.
@@mz8258 Probably a Bri'ish Rifleman. They used that technique for long range shooting. Mind you, "long range" in the Napoleonic era is something any rando with a scoped AR could do today, so...
@@ancuruadh6027 heck even with iron sights in a day or two of practice you can easly shoot a 20 inch barrel M16 up to 300m with ironsights assuming you are in a comfortable preferably prone position.
@@mz8258 It wouldn't surprise me if that was pure coincidence, because there are Japanese 'guides' showing the shooter closing the opposite eye or holding the gun in the opposite hands, which would have made things even more difficult to hit.
I had to look up what "zensumaru" could mean as a Japanese approximation of what they are hearing from the Portuguese and it's apparently "Jesus e Maria"
@@tiagorodrigues3730 ohh I see. Thank you for the clarification. I forget that a single accent mark can completely change a word's meaning in many romance Languages
I thought it was meant to be "Santa Maria" EDIT: I found the book "Deus destroyed" and on page 478 it has the note: 15. "Zensumaru, Zensumaru" = "Jesus Maria, Jesus Maria."
@@thiagocoutinho7571 Mongolian and Korean short Recurve bows were used like that. Japanese bows are often taller than your height (As you might have seen in Dramas or Anime)
@@redskull3448 Most people today teach both eyes open under the belief it expands FOV, which is not what happens because proper marksmanship actually induces tunnel vision by focusing on the POA. Competition shooters using iron sights often use an aperture or eye cover for this reason. What both eyes open actually does is allow you to target focus which is important in identifying if it someone who needs to be shot or not. You are deliberately sacrificing accuracy as it isn't as important as confirming personnel ID. As soon as PID is established, most people generally switch to one eye as they bring the gun up higher to hit the "vitals" (head, chest). This can also be important if your adversary is using visible light against you (such as to PID you as well) as if your non-firing eye is hit with a lot of light, your eye dominance will actually switch and you will completely lose your red dot even if it should normally be visible in your firing eye. Other reasons for both eyes open is when using night vision monocular (non-firing eye has NVD, naked eye looks down red dot, or when wearing a gas mask or ballistic face shield as both eyes combine the images which helps to look past the fogging). If you switch shoulders though (most people don't train to do this but it is important in taking use of non-dominant side cover) your eye dominance will cause you to lose your sight unless you have an excessively bright aiming point. So in this case you close one eye to switch eye dominance.
17:09 The "Southern Barbarians" were Portuguese, not Spanish, so "Iruman" = "Irmão", not "Hermano". Also, the fact that the Japanese turned "Cristão" (Christian) into "Kirishitan" and not "Kirisitan" probably indicated that already by then the Portuguese (or at least some Portuguese) pronounced the "-s" at the end of syllables as "-sh", a distinctive characteristic of our Portuguese accent.
@@akaRicoSanchez I thought about that. According to Wikipedia, the actual pronunciation of the hiragana し and katakana シ is neither "si" (/si/) nor "shi" (/ʃi/), but rather /ɕi/ (which, frankly, to me, sounds much closer to /si/ than to /ʃi/).
Not sure, but it is possible they are translating from Latin instead of Portuguese. In Latin, Christian is of course Christianus. Which they would pronounce in a Portuguese way. Of course Latin and Portuguese are close so I am not sure. It is also possible it is through Spanish, where the word is Cristiano/Cristiana
@@tj-co9go I don't see why would they translate from Portuguese to Japanese and back using either Latin or Spanish as an intermediary language, considering the Japanese knew none of those languages. Also, Portuguese and Spanish are so closely related (and back then, they were even more similar), no Japanese would note the difference between the two.
22:00 The man wearing sunglasses walking on the right is cool, and this already transcends even the concept of glasses worn by the man on the left. However, in the painting, the temples of the sunglasses he is wearing are not visible. If they are not sunglasses, perhaps they are expressing "eye shadow", the shadow around the eyes that is prominent on white men with protruding frontal bones like the eaves of a house, seen in group photos of Westerners taken during the day. As far as I know, that shadow, that is, like sunglasses... like a black hole... that bottomless pitch black darkness... is expressed in Japanese manga and anime from the 1980s, but I don't really know much about the era several hundred years ago...
@@ucc930ml glasses and sunglasses used to be only the front part. I don't know how they managed to use them 🤣 Maybe they pinched the nose a little bit. In Spain we call it Quevedos because a famous 15th Century writer called Francisco de Quevedo used them. If you search his name, you can see his famous painting using those
@@araceli2827 Thanks for the info, I searched for the person and saw the Wikipedia info, and found a description of the use of those styles of glasses in the related information. And in the comments section there is a thread discussing nose size in whites and other races, which I thought might have a lot to do with it
@@jakemolenaar6156 The testing of random people was usually by criminals and during war times when police wasn't as widespread. That was outlawed in many regions where lords ruled, samurai who were found to do that would have been executed the same way or lose his rank. One such as Sano Jirōzaemon who went on a spree in 1696 before his capture and execution. Japanese swords would be tested on already executed or living criminals, especially lawfully acquired katanas and other weapons. (But also remember that these criminals could have done small crimes like being christian, stealing food, committing an offense against a samurai and so on.)
I love the videos this channel makes! So interesting to hear the perspectives and stories of the past. Thanks for all the work you do and for sharing these stories.
I had the pleasure of visiting Nagoya and heading south to stay in Handa, which is well off the normal tourist route. I'm from the UK and with me we're an Italian and a Belgian work colleague, we were all working for the Asahi glass company based in Taketoyo. The Japanese people around Handa and Taketoyo don't usually see many foreigners making us an interesting spectacle. A toddler in a shopping centre began pointing at us while simultaneously pulling on their mum's skirt, undoubtedly saying something like 'mummy look at those strange people'. The mum spoke some English and apologised for the child pointing at us explaining that the child hadn't seen a westerner in person before. We all said hello to the kid who promptly hid behind their mum. It doesn't matter where you go in the world, kids are always kids. I've always found Japanese people to be polite and helpful whenever I visited Japan, so a big thankyou to them and I highly recommend a visit if you're a westerner to experience a real culture shock, but please be respectful.
Nah we Japanese are the ones who need to thank (and apologize). It’s obvious that the kid had no ill intentions, but that kind of behavior can be taken in a very serious way especially in these days. Thank you for being considerate and understanding.
8:23 While putting 'teppou' in a dictionary would indeed give you "firearm" the Japanese word itself is not analogous to "fire" "arm" as the video suggests. The actual native meaning of the word is closer to "iron tube" and has origins that date back to early bombs used by the Mongols.
Thank you! I wondered if the Japanese word indeed was literally _firearm_ (which seemed very unlikely) and it’s helpful to know that it was not. “Iron tube” makes a lot more sense (and, of course, we can recognize the first syllable in the word _teppanyaki,_ a way of cooking on an *iron* griddle).
Youve got to be joking! i wrote an essay on religious toleration in Tokugawa japan and submitted it yesterday and used the same sources! The world works in mysterious ways
This was before the tokugawa era (edo period) thats why the text describes them as coming completely unopposed which would have not been a thing in the isolationist tokugawa era
maybe Tokugawa also did not think Christianity was good. They just thought that trade was more important than the safety of people. However, he decided that it was inevitable that it would be colonized, japan did SAKOKU.
This is really cool. I’ve recently been involving breath work in my long range rifle practice and it’s doing me well. Was cool to hear Tokitawa reference that
It's pretty crazy that, 1500 years before the beginning of the japanese-europeans relationships, the roman and chinese empire knew each other and had some indirect contact through trade and travellers. There's even a 2015 film called "Dragon Blade", starring John Cusack, Jackie Chan and Adrien Brody, in which the surviving roman soldiers of Crassus' parthian disaster end up in China and meeting the bizarre asian culture and traditions
Ima have to watch that one, thanks for the tip! I also highly recommend the show "Shogun" which came out very recently. It's a great look at this time period and very well done and historically accurate.
There's some good documentaries on TH-cam going over it (it may actually be this channel). It MIGHT be true but the actual descriptions are incredibly vague. Basically a group of "white" people showed up in central Asia as a mercenary group and used "turtle shields" (probably a roman shield wall/phalanx)
There's some thought that Christianity might have been heavily influenced from Buddhism coming over from India. Even some ancient Greek philosophers seem to have been influenced by east/southeast asian religion and I believe there's a noted Greek guy who converted to Buddhism though my memory may have that a bit wonky
It should be noted that the Buddhists in Japan of Nobunaga's time had as much power as the Catholic Church in Europe and were actively involved with war against him. Nobunaga was friendly with the western powers so they viewed them as enemies to destroy. A lot of Christian "followers" in Japan would have been more syncretic in their beliefs and would have been involved in varying degrees rather than strict followers or non-followers which means a lot of these Buddhist inquisitions killed people who might have not even been devot Christians. It wasn't until the Meiji restoration that the influence of the Buddhists was significantly reduced through force in place of state Shintoism.
Just a small note on your comment about the Meji restoration, and the state shinto. A person might read it as one religion gaining favor over another, and in some ways it is like that. But it's important to understand that before the Meji era, there was no 'contradiction' between Buddhism and Shinto. Japanese attitudes towards religion have long been that of syncretism, and Buddhism and Shinto shared practicioners, believers, and influenced each other. They had common shrines and places of worship. The Meji government separated these religions, by law, to elevate shinto (for political reasons), but it's kind of telling how intertwined the faiths were among the populace, that a government has to forcefully separate two religions from each other. So viewing it as two orthodox sects at each other's throats, insisting on their mutual exclusivity, and one gaining the government's favor over the other would be inaccurate.
@@jonirischx8925 I already pointed out the syncretism, but it they were definitely not viewed as totally equal. Buddhism had held a stronger standing over shintoism and this would have been obvious to the Emperor. Buddhism was intentionally altered to be subordinate to the emperor and reduce the power held by Buddhist elements.
If I’m not mistaken, before the Meiji reform, The Edo Period didn’t see much development of Japanese Buddhism. Oda Nobunagas persecuting them in the Sengoku period helped, but in the Edo period there was more of a preference for Neo-Confucianism (specifically the strand influenced by figures like Wang Yangming). Shinto also saw newfound interest at this time, with scholars attempting to either mesh it with Confucian principles or attempt to distinguish it from Buddhism (yes, even before the Meiji). Of course Shinto has a very complicated history, and sometimes it mingled with Buddhism and other times Shinto sects developed as a reaction to it. I’d go into more detail but it’s getting late and I’m too lazy to get the books I learned this from out. I took a class which talked about Japanese history and did my final research paper on Buddhist/Shinto interactions over the years.
The descriptions about firearms and aim is intriguing. I definitely think each part chose their words carefully before conveying it to the interpreter. Likely with the Europeans, because they had experienced said situation many times before on their travels.
Damn! You keep an eye on everything 😂 Your videos about the portuguese empire are amazing, there ain't much content around that covers the portuguese empire like you do, and you do an amazing job at it 👍
Im Portuguese. This man calling us goblins offends me 500 years later lol. But im sure these sailors health were atrocious.. which would make them look awful
Sounded like I was watching Braveheart for a minute there. "The Portugese were 7 feet tall!" "Yes I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds, and if they were here they'd consume the Shogun with fireballs from their eyes and bolts of lightning from their arses!"
i mean, the Portuguese brought an insane amount of canons in their ships and had firearms so your quote actually wouldn't be too far off, just that the Portuguese didn't come to conquer, only trade, why fight for the land if you can make money and have access to their land's resources anyways without a fight
Nowadays Portuguese men are barely taller than Japanese men, if I'm not mistaken they are the shortest country in Europe. I doubt that they could be so significantly taller back then to look like giants. The whole description is a wild exaggeration! Also, these were mere sailors, while many of the Japanese were noblemen or scholar, who probably ate a richer diet. Nowadays, many people get as tall as is possible given their genetics, but at the time what you could afford to eat was probably much more important. This would be my guess.
This has been suggested before (and even liked by the channel) but it would be nice to get a video of the thai embassy to the french court. There's a lengthy and detailed diary from the thai perspective.
This was great! Somewhat-related aside: For about 9 years I lived in Nagashino (Shinshiro City, Aichi Prefecture) and the surrounding area, where the Battle of Nagashino took place in 1555. Tokugawa and Nobunaga clashed and flintlock rifles were used in battle for the first time there. From what I understand, due to the large force surrounding a vastly smaller force in Nagashino Castle, there's a placard dedicated to this battle on-site at The Alamo. I've yet to go to Texas to see it for myself, though.
I'm really enjoying your videos covering rare historical events from the pov of non-Europeans. I'd really appreciate if you could cover Eastern Europe too (not just Russia). Thank you for your hard work!
TH-cam literally has a captions button, all videos have it. Sometimes it's auto generated, others is done better. Check at the top right ifnon mobile, it's the button that says "cc".
Just don't take it face value if you wish to learn the history of the period, it is first and foremost a novel, with a fantastical plot, taking inspiration in the historical setting of Japan in 1600. I dont mean to criticize the show, I bet it's great, and I may watch it someday. But it's dreadful seeing people online say things like "Well, the Portuguese wanted to conquer Japan because of the Treaty of Tordesillas!" when it's a made-up plot device in the show. The Treaty was merely a mediatory tool between Portugal and Spain, so there wouldn't be territorial disputes in these new lands. It wasn't a plan to divide the world for conquest, as much as pop history has made the average person believe. In fact, Portugal was in quite good standing with Japan and China (receiving Macau and Nagasaki as gifts of goodwill)...Well...for some time, in Japan, as the Shogun grew uneasy with the proselytising and cut the head of the beast by expelling the Portuguese. Wisely so in a way, as it secured his rule, but also brutally so. (Though we were also brutal in our prosletysing in places like Goa and Malacca, not in Japan though, where we sent missionaries, not inquisitors.) Bit of a rant, quite sad how pop culture can skew how people understand history. Nevertheless, as I said, it must be an amazing show nevertheless, it's not every day you get historical dramas with mint production like these air! We just need to be aware that some plot devices are...not actual history
14:39 I think "Furaten" derives, not from "Franciscan" but from "Frade", meaning "Brother" (of a religious order), just as "Bateren" derives from "Padre" (archaic Portuguese for "Father", but by then already used only in the sense of "Priest" - not exclusively Jesuits).
@@pizmak6268 The Japanese had no direct contact with the Romans. Their first contact with Europeans was with the Portuguese. Sure, Jesuits spoke Latin, but on their daily life they used vernacular, in this case, Portuguese. They had no reason to use Latin in Japan (except in mass, of course), so it makes more sense that "Furaten" and "Bateren" are Japanese attempts at reproducing Portuguese words they heard the Jesuits say.
Fun fact: Padre is still used in the British military as a term to describe priests. It's a word picked up by the British army in Portugal during the Napoleonic Wars.
Portugal could easly take Japan at the time with the most advances ships and canons and guns but the King was not interested in that cause of the King distance , it was Simply a church mission to convert the pagans
@rudgullit1989 When the invasion of Korea by Hideoshi occured, 1/4th of the Japanese forces had firearms on them. Portugal would not have won, they'd be crushed long before any significant force actually arrived.
Franciscan friars: feed the poor, treat the ill, give alms, embrace the outcasts of society and welcome everyone. Japanese nobility: "how dare you lower yourselves to that level and use such trickery to covert the people"
*only accepted and welcomed if they converted. while the act itself is good its more or less just a manipulation tactic to prey on the most vulnerable of there society to promote there flavor of organized religion
In power/fear and honor/shame cultures it's loathsome to help the weak or dishonorable. Even in sin/righteousness cultures it's sometimes seen as good by people who consider themselves righteous to look down on the sinful. Only the Gospel sees it as virtuous to help people who are sinful, dishonorable, or fearful because without the Messiah even the righteous are themselves worthy of condemnation. Sadly, many who claim the Gospel fail to see this point.
Fascinating. I would love to hear more of these translations of European missionaries and traders from the perspective of the indigenous people. Having said that I would also really enjoy hearing this from the perspective of the Europeans.
The long nose stuff is funny. I spent about 3 weeks in Japan. When I got back to USA I have to admit White noses did look big after not seeing them for a while 👃
Smaller noses are more attractive. My nose bridge is straight like the ancient greek statues. I get compliments from people I barely meet because of that.
When I look at Europe on the map, and then look at where Japan is on the map, I find it utterly crazy the lengths those European explorers would go to find such a place. Like why?? Is it even worth it?
@@JelgioValerio Japan is one of the farthest civilizations away from Europe. And not only that, if you look on a map you'll see that explorers could not just go over there in a straight line; they had to go _around_ several land masses including entire continents just to make it there by boat. It had to of been quite a suicidal mission for them to undertake not knowing how many months it would take them to find new unexplored land. But they took on the challenge anyway because they were totally out of their mind (not to mention, lucky as hell too).
@@rsuriyop They had already been visiting India and China long before they landed in Japan. It wasn't like they just skipped everything in between. Japan was just the next place to visit after China.
You try being locked between the sea and Spain......with nowhere else to expand. This isn't an European thing. The human spirit WANTS to explore...........don't we go to space? It's the same thing. We want to expand, explore, find out more about the universe.
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I would like to have the version of the Dutch seeing the Japanese for the first time....
Go to the 1962 topographic map of Ireland. You'll see OMRY, the long nosed demon holding the Holy Grail(a gold skull inscribed (OMRY), there's what appears to be a bloodline flowing into the grail inscribed JAWCHOAM, the land is the biblical record, like Mount Rushmore put to shame.
Crucifixion? Wow!
I do love how everyone in those days went:
"you're a barbarian"
"no u"
The concept of racial Equality: *invented in the 1800s.*
People in 1699:
@@jimmyalfonda3536yep, and it false af
@@johnanon658 ???
@@johnanon658 I smell racism
@@johnanon658Race isn't real. Only culture. Are Hungarians Asian or Slavic? Check their DNA and the results will say their the same as their neighbors despite their origins
The Europeans: “Wow, these barbarians are so stupid”
The Japanese: “Wow, these barbarians are so stupid”
Me: "Wow, people are stupid...and I'm stupid." 😔
It turns out , they were all stupid
That's how the entire world was. Anybody that didn't look exactly like you or spoke your language wasn't civilized.
lol Shogun
@@gtas321Is*
Westerner: **dresses up all nice to meet Emperor**
Emperor: Ugly goblin.
Should've stuck with a safer selection of garments
Goblin mode: activated!
Also....I had a theory that yōkai were sorta Japanese views of non Asian people. Keep that in mind for NOW where some white neckbeard has a yōkai waifu (think like Touhou), only for him to find out his "waifu"'s people were based off of HIS people!
I often see the typo of “emporer”, why is it so common to misspell “emperor”?
@@shirleymaemattthews4862That's actully true for some youkai. Tsuchigumo were based on proto-Ainu culture groups, imported Chinese concepts of Tengu got merged with Yamabushi mountain hermits...The karakasa obake umbrella youkai is also possibly a warped folk memory of some one eyed blacksmith caste. Heck, Oni might just be monsterized bandit folktales.
@@BirdieRumia Wait...since Tengu were merged with Yamabushi, ACTUAL people...couldn't that mean they're RACIST or RUDE caricatures of mountain monks, especially with the long noses and red skin? As well as the Tsuchigumo or whoever being Ainu people?!?
The Portuguese: h-
Japanese historians: gAH DAMN LOOK AT THAT B E AK
IYKYK 👃🏻
Hahahaha
@@angelmon6 same difference
So crazy how gunpowder was invented in China, went all the way to Portugal, then got introduced to Japan. Nearly made a full trip around the globe to get next door.
Technically, it was already in Japan, just not as firearms.
@@aetranm Cannons never became widespread in feudal Japan and the ones they did get were usually European ship cannons adapted for land use. But they did indeed have gunpowder and more primitive type of firearms centuries before the encounter with the Portuguese. The original teppô, whose direct counterparts were also around in Medieval Europe and China, was like a miniature handheld cannon at the end of a long pole since you didn't want it near you when it went off.
@tileux Firearms made of bamboo have never been the norm, except for launching rockets -- the Indians didn't have reliable metallurgy for gun barrels for a long time so they specialised in rocket warfare surprisingly early and the Chinese also had their share of those. But if you made an actual cannon out of bamboo that would only mean that you were making improvised weapons in extremely dire straits.
The Chinese absolutely had the technology to make cannons out of iron or bronze, but the Chinese economy had collapsed during the Opium Wars, so I can imagine some McGuyvering going on during that time.
Japan actually know about gunpowder earlier than European. Japan is just lagging behind on the gunpowder weaponry compared to the rest of Asia because of their isolationism.
@@Lightice1 bamboo firearms are not some new crazy theory, it's common knowledge that they were used
"Like goblins" to be fair those lads had been at sea for a whole year eating oranges and dry biscuits before reaching japan.
Part of the problem is more likely that they didn't eat oranges
@@hagalathekidoYeah, they'd be somewhat fine if they were eating oranges
Probably mainly eating Hard Tack, *Clack Clack*
@@AidanS99Hard tack soaked in rum.
@@DonVigaDeFierro you didn’t get the reference. That’s ok
"these barbarians are strange"
"don't worry they're harmless"
First thing they do is show everyone how to use a gun
I mean, that's quite the sign of being harmless. Willing to teach you about your superior weaponry means they don't plan to use it on you.
well we will do it today arms deals are a sign of trust between nations
@@Tortuga-nt4pm Are Americans polite? I doubt it😐
@@tertiusimpostor we actually are in the gun heavy parts of the country, it's the disarmed parts that have the worst crime and attitude.
@cancerino666, the Japanese shogun already had guns (likely from their Dutch friends). The Portuguese priests were SELLING guns to the outter province Nobles for high price behind the back of the Shogun (and likely against his rules since he wouldn’t want those Nobles to be more armed then his family).
Dude, as a native Portuguese speaker, it’s amazing how there are A LOT of Portuguese words disguised as Japanese, not mentioning the ones that are Portuguese straight forward.
I’d be more amazed if there was LESS linguistic crossover. The Portuguese and the Japanese have been conversing for 600 years now.
"disguised"? you mean adopted words from another language? news flash every language has them.
It is not disguised, it was adopted through the creation of Katakana, a writting system originally created by the Japanese to incorporate foreign language words into their writting system. Tho Katakana was only created quite a while after the first coloniz- i mean, foregneirs came over, thats why the words sound or look funky, because they couldn't recreate the exact sound of them with Hiragana or Kanji and had to write it as closely as they could with Hiragana
@@RedCanidae Japan is just as much a colonizer country as Portugal...
Ehh, which ones aside from "pan"? There are so many from English, French, Italian and German.
Japanese lord: "Would you teach me how to shoot this gun, o wise one?"
Portuguese trader: "Just squint and aim, that's pretty much it really"
Japanese lord: "Ah! You mean to say that true clarity is only achieved when you let go of your prideful eye and you are able to focus on the small details of the world that surrounds you. You are truly wise in the ways of life."
Portuguese trader: "Uh.... sure?"
Hehe fire stick go bang
THis is comedic.
I feel like the lord was actually trolling the uncultured barbarian with his superior language skills.
@@pablotomasllodra4423 >Barbarian arrives with something miraculous I can barely comprehend.
>Clearly he’s doing it wrong.
@pablotomasllodra4423 all the verbal prowess in the universe is powerless against a boom stick. 😂
"They look pretty weird, and are a bit rude, but this weird bang stick is the greatest thing since rice-based agriculture!"
My favorite memes about Samurai are how quick they were to take up firearms.
@@PandorasFolly HOW DISSONORUBURR (I'll take 5000, thank you very much and have a wonderful day, Mr White Devil san)
@@SassyTheSasquatch96 You have it almost right, they made their own fire arms but based on European design. They did however know about gunpowder but didnt apply it in great numbers for warfare. So they DID take the idea from Europeans.
Weird bang stick is funny. It made it sound like they had a magic rod. Japanese must have had that impression.
@@PandorasFolly So these memes are not so true, because these guns came to Japan long before and didn't become popular until later
gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2018/03/tanegashima-teppou-sinking-myth.html
As a Portuguese person I cannot describe how much fun I had decoding what words and names the Japanese misunderstood throughout this story
I couldn't decode the names
Same happened to me. I'm Spanish
I also speak Portuguese. This is a super interesting history.
"Deus" "quaresma" " paraíso " "inferno". That was fun.
@@bellycurious that part I got.. but I couldn't untangle the names.
“They took in everybody and turned away no one”
Wow, how wholesome.
“Thus, they surrounded themselves with good-for-nothings”
Hm
They help those that are disadvantaged for free and expect nothing in return, how disgusting
@@Alienwatcher I’m sorry but sick elderly disabled people wouldn’t be my first choice of people to start a coup with
@@Alienwatcher ah, my arguments invalid because you said so. Flawless logic
@@Alienwatcher so you think they were trying to start a coup because they were ‘bribing’ lords. I’m questioning why they also gave free medicine and money to everyone, even those with no power, if all they wanted was power to overthrow the government. It certainly didn’t earn them any good will as the people of Japan looked down on them at the time. I’m thinking you already came to the conclusion that they were evil and you’ve ignored any evidence to the contrary
@@Alienwatcher did you?
0:14 As a Portuguese I wanna thank the Japanese for painting such an accurate portrayal of my face when I wake up in the morning
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😂
You're so portuguese
Genius comment.
😂😂💀
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The old paintings of Europeans from that time are hilarious. The Japanese draw themselves to look almost identical with few noticeable differences, but they draw the Portuguese like their these goblin creatures.
I mean have you seen a portuguese in real life ? Look the same to me.
@@mattguellec lmao...you call mirrors "Portuguese"?!
Look at pictures of "chinamen" from the West in the 1930s and you can see the exact same tendency.
😂
“Get out of my swamp” - European
The philosophical discourse about squinting one eye was priceless. The portuguese guy must have been like, " bro, you just need to line up the two lines with the dot at the end of the barrel. Im not sharing the secrets of the universe"
We still teach marksmanship the same in the military. You keep both eyes open when you're aiming down sights and you need to see the full field of view. If you're in sniper school you close an eye or block it so you can focus more pointedly on your specific target with less distraction. It made perfect sense, and it's interesting to note that Europeans were teaching these rules of marksmanship that early.
@@Michael-jq8iqconsidering they had to translate from Portuguese to Chinese, then from Chinese to Japanese and back each sentence that‘s probably exactly what happened lol
Seems like all the best shooters and archers use both eyes. I try but not natural to me.
@@westenicho what is amazing is that centuries before, the chinese had already made very bulky primitive guns that lookws like a cross between a blunderbus and a small cannon and were held at waist height in the crook of the arm and fired st the enemy. So, Europeans didnt really invent guns, either. The Chinese beat them by several centuries. Look it up online.
Overthinking is one thing. Attempting to comprehend technology through philosophy is another.
This is why I love TH-cam! This was far more interesting and better presented than anything on TV 10/10
stuff on tv these days are for people with such bad adhd they cant remember what they were doing 2 minutes prior
The accuracy of describing jaundice, malnourishment, and the physical looks of someone clearly at sea for extreme long periods is remarkable. It would undoubtedly look and smell like a demon coming ashore.
I'll LOVE for a comedy based on these Portugal or European dudes going to Japan. 😂
But as well as them TIME TRAVELING to modern Japan, and seeing what this weird moé, otaku, and manga stuff is! 😂
I thought they were describing the greatest allies of the USA.
@@andrewmclaughlin2701Jews weren't particularly interested in Japan until fairly recently
Could have been scurvy, too.
Yep, the yellow eyes tipped me off, too. I agree, after months on a cramped wooden ship, nobody looks or smells very pretty.
Though I'm afraid the "nose like a conch shell" is probably something that Europeans just have to own.
I wonder if some of these Europeans actually had yellow eyes due to scurvy. It was a common ailment at the time when sailing over long distances.
I was wondering about that. Yeah, that would make you look like a goblin if you had a long nose too. And if you had an epicanthic fold, that would make a Westerner of the time think you were sinister. I've seen Japanese drawings of Commodore Perry that show him as pale white with a big nose and an epicanthic fold of sorts. Seems like they didn't quite notice that Westerners didn't have one because the skin color and nose was more noticeable.
Or cyrrhosis of the liver..
Yellow eyes are not a symptom of scurvy....maybe you confused it for hepatitis
Except scurvy doesn't cause yellow eyes.
A variety of health issues no doubt contributed to their physical appearance.
"Europeans don't know written script" has the same Energy as "Hieroglyphs are just cute pictures".
I doubt many of the sailors were literate though.
Even in the 20th century literacy was not universal in Portugal.
@@typeswitch The missionaries could most likely read though.
@PaulvonOberstein It would have been required, priests had to be able to read in order to read the Scriptures.
@@typeswitch The would have still KNOWN writing and would have some writing on board.
Especially with the way anime misunderstand Christianity lmao
This is SUCH a fun way to teach history! I love it!! The pronunciations, the descriptions, it’s all too fun!
"Don't worry about them. They're harmless. They're just southern barbarians."
"What country are they from?"
"South barbary."
Funny because I started to think they were from Morocco or Algeria or Tunisia (Barbary Coast), then I realized they mean Indonesia and Indochina 😀 Portugese used to have colonies in Indonesia and Malesua during the time, so it actually makes sense
That one was probably a weird translation convention the original text probably said something like "Southern barbarian land" (in Japanese obviously) and the current translator decided to render it like this
Sounds like some place in Britain. Who me, I grew up in a little old outside of South Barbary
To be fair, the Portuguese colonized Malacca in what is now modern-day Malaysia in Southeast Asia, so they would reach Japan from the south, hence why they were referred to as "Southern Barbarians"... And also, during the early years of contact, most of Asia thought of the Portuguese as pirates, they were probably thought of as stateless wandering sea gypsies.
Yes indeed , Fyi some parts of southern India , and countries in Asia like Sri Lanka , Maldives , Philippines were also controlled by Dutch and Portugese during the colonial period era
"rectify the heart" is a very Japanese translation of "hold still" because a flint or match lock blows up in your face a little and if that makes you flinch, you miss.
Them thinking Christianity was a misunderstood version of Buddhism is fascinating
the christians thought the same of budhism in the first ecnounter. A european travelr mentioned these weird christians who wore yellow robes and had funny doctrine but they worshiped a spiritual teacher and had holy scripture so they were Christians.
Marco Polo allegedly had a similar misunderstanding when he thought Buddhism believed in Jesus Christ or something to that degree.
That account of the buddhist vs christian debate read like an edgy atheist reddit comment lol. The only thing that was missing was how everyone stood up and clapped.
@@GoosterHiista Was kind of based tbh
don't forget that Jesus was inhumed in Japan... 😏👆
"You're a barbarian"
"yeah but look at this incredibly innovative, effective, efficient and easy to use ranged weapon contraption that will upset the power structures of the whole world and the technology of which will still be relevant even half a millenium later"
"Holy shit here's a temple"
the term barbarian had a different meaning to them as it does to you, try thinking
@@_Hewman_ Yeah it would be evident if you had actually watched the video. Try having a sense of humor
Imagine landing on a foreign land and being subjected to hardest, most elegant roast in the history of said land's literature
Tough crowd! I'd pack my bags & bugger off home!
Funny how the roast turned to praise when they saw the boom, the even bigger boom booms on the boat
When they compare your drip to wearing a long carpet you know it's joever, can't come back from that
Racism isn't a roast?
@@mattymerr701lol racism is a pseudosience developed in europe. this is what is generally understood as a precurser to racism. the religious differences and the rightful fear over christianization and portugese influence were the cause of the westerner ban. its very hard to compare different views on race or humanity through the ages. the romans believed ethiopians were burned by the sun and thus black. although this believe probably wasnt held long as black legionairies were quite common all over europe. the phoenicians thought gorillas were humans in their original form and describe them as human. you can see that our modern categories are not very good to describe past cultural phenomena. but you are right in our modern terms the japanese response has many aspects of modern racism. the sick and disafeected crew of an european exploring ship of that time must have been an astounding view. conditions were pretty bad on these ships and the crews were made up of pretty devious elements at that time. the europeans also forced and coerced alot of very different people on their ships and had in general a very unhealthy lifestyle. washing was seen as very unhealthy and people stank after incense, sweat and must have had a lot of skin diseases. in the view of the japanese were pirates who conquered islands in the south china sea. thats why they saw them as the southern barbarians. here you can really see the clash between a very feudal and collectivist society and the early explorers of capitalism.
the conversation about how to use a firearm is hilarious. Japanese guy is ready to open his mind to foreign philosophy and secrets while foreigners just tell him "Bruh! Close one eye and look straight down the damn barrel!"
The rectifying your heart bit passed you by😂.
I got that as an optimistic translation of "stand upright" ❤@@thegoodfriend6247
@@thegoodfriend6247 I'd assume that to mean "hold still"
@@Zarnubius it means that in 400 years we lost the ability to reflect. No gadget or app for that. And a jackass is still that
@@Zarnubiusor take a deep breath
"A bunch of barbarous 7 foot tall yellow eyed fanged and clawed hob goblins shreaking like owls and carrying magical murderous bang sticks...
Theyre pretty chill."
White man W
How did they manage to mistake blue for yellow-
@@war.neverchanges the iris is the colored part.
@@__-bz7wh What?
@bvillafuerte765 I was thinking of scurvy as well on the yellow eyes, I did not have the impression they talked about the iris. However, maybe if that first Portuguese they met had hazel eyes, my mother has a very light tone, that could have been described as yellow?
Thanks!
5:06 In the 1990s, I was working in a University science dept. I saw two colleagues, one Japanese and one Chinese, reach the limits of their English in discussing a concept.They then wrote down the kanji for their points and immediately understood each other.
Yeah even in today we still use this way its called "笔谈" literally means "communicate with hand writting"
This is something I saw happen between a native Cantonese dialect speaker and a native Mandarin speaker. The Cantonese speaker was a senior citizen and most of the ethnic Chinese community had moved out of the city. The Mandarin speaker was a relatively young Chinese citizen visiting my city.
When they had trouble understanding each other they just wrote it down.
The kanji are the same.
I had a Chinese friend that lived with me in Japan. She could read a lot of things because the kanji was similar but had no idea how to say any of them.
Pure savagery in that debate
I'm going to remember that phrase for when I go to the shooting range. "The secrets lie in rectifying your heart and in squinting one eye." "Squinting one eye does not mean that one cannot see clearly, but that one is concentrating and wishes to hit what is far away."
I can imagine what the real conversation would have been, plus the interpretation plus the thing the historian finally recorded
Olden days people certainly had an eloquence.
However this does not describe how to aim 😂
I'm blind in one eye and I genuinely blame that for me being as good a shot as I am when I'm able to take my time. 1st time I ever shot a rifle was an old 30.06, my grandads friend Bill set up a page out of a calendar propped up against a step part on the hill about 100 foot away, he took his shot and hit dead center of the picture, I took mine and hit his bullet hole.
Remember this was said in portuguese translated to chinese translated to japanese and translated to English
And the Portuguese assessment of the Japanese:
"[The Japanese people] are so crafty in their hearts that nobody can understand them. Whence it is said that they have three hearts: a false one in their mouths for all the world to see, another within their breasts only for their friends, and the third in the depths of their hearts, reserved for themselves alone and never manifested to anybody."
From História da Igreja do Japão vol I pg 173, written by Father João Rodrigues, SJ. 1620 CE
The Japanese say something very similar about themselves. They have the concept of honne and tatemae - what you truly believe vs what you say and do because it is what society expects of you.
Intetesting. Thanx
This comment should be mentioned in the video. It's interesting to hear both sides!
Really accurate description of them.
Extrovert: Yeh, he's cool. He may look reserved, but he has a heart of gold.
Introvert: This mofo won't shut up, he'll say anything that crosses his mind, and he looks like a goblin that dressed up as a bat.
9:44 this conversation so interesting to me. I wonder too if they could have been referring to being calm before shooting, maybe lowering heart rate and using breathing, which could have commonalities w meditation and contemplation i think.
"They show their feelings without any self-control"
Truly a latin/mediterranean characteristic, the opposite of the japanese introvert* culture
Edit: by introvert i mean a reserved culture
We love the heart on their sleeve latins. Maybe it would have been worse for Japan if they had met my ice cold scandinavian ancestors first.
@@hippocraticoaf8798 In my experience Norse peoples (of which I share some ancestry as well however this is unimportant) are not cold simply a bit awkward in truth. This is a charming thing and I have always enjoyed Norse peoples because of it. They remind me of the awkward country folk here in Texas.
@@justdoinmything I was being too deprecating, but truthfully I appreciate it looking back. My parents would argue with intense whispering behind closed doors. Or if I made a mistake in public, it was handled when we got home. You learn to read subtle eye movements and slight nods if you need to excuse yourself. My poor half latino friend had his dirty laundry verbally exposed all the time. PewDiePie moved to Japan, so maybe Scandinavians fit in nicely.
Agreed. Finns should have been the first Europeans to go to Japan.
Its 6 30 am and I can hear my Portuguese neighbours as I write this.
Jesuit: What did you say Toranaga's nickname for me was?
Soldier: "The creature"
Jesuit: [Sighs] Well, gotta start somewhere.
That’s what jesuits are.
@@StillbornForeigner7 sigh I knew there'd be a snide comment somewhere.
@@StillbornForeigner7not only jesuits LOL
@@StillbornForeigner7All too correct
Jesuit: “I’m a CREATION of Hesús!”
Japanese: “Oh, so you’re a CREATURE then. Makes sense why you wear those bubble pants and bat-wing capes.”
"An unnameable creature, someone similar in shape to a human being, but looking more like a long-nosed goblin"
That sounds a little bit like me when I squint and look at my reflection in the mirror every morning.
as a white person I can confirm this was probably one of us.
As a Spaniard I think this is the perfect description of a Portuguese
Do you really need to squint though? 😉
ye dat j3VValright
@@reinier123 Yes, I'm not that ugly!
This video is absolutely delightful. How wonderful to see our Western civilization from the point of view of an ancient Eastern culture. Thanks for your work, you've earned your sub and more!
“Just close an eye, it helps you aim better.”
“Ahh, to see what is small. That is clarity. I have learned from the monks to rectify my spiritual heart, but this is not the same.”
“Bro idk just do it.”
The ever mystic Eastern peoples vs. The ever pragmatic Europeans. Lol
@@arditienthusiast8384 idk! It’s certainly true in this situation, but compare collectivist and secular modern China to the heavily religious (though decreasingly so) United States. Japan, nowadays, is one of the least mystical developed countries, and is known for its pragmatic society.
@@OuterRimPride Mostly due to our influence post WW2
I agree with the guy above me - it's mostly due to ww2 influences. Either way mystic doesn't neccessarily mean religious @@OuterRimPride
@@arditienthusiast8384the Japanese were definitely an Artsy bunch. Any culture surrounded by that much natural beauty would end up acting like them. 😂
>they are goblin-faced harmless creatures
>OH MY AMATERASU, GUNS. You are my best friends now.
Portugal is og America fr.
@@ayuvirKnowing what I know about history, I would say more so Spain. Close enough tho
oh my soyence a 4chan arrow now my day is ruined
@@GSP6 Voices of the Past is the perfect place for meme arrows because 4chan too is long dead.
I'm an English teacher in East Asia. Now I truly understand how my students feel when they see me.
You’re not suffering of scurvy at sea for weeks at a time. 😂 it’s a funny joke though 😂
@@VespasianJudeahey, you dont know that 😂
Except the East Asians generally are obsessed with European looks nowadays, and consider them the standard of beauty. Just more proof beauty is subjective and dictated by culture
@@L333gokconsidering jaundice and scurvy being a common thing back then for sailors, i’m confident these first accounts of contact with Europeans were with people literally at their physical worst. And also considering the history of plagues and how the immune system works, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Japanese’s very first interaction with these sailor diseases was at the same time as when these Europeans arrived.
@@L333gok
Of course NO
In Japan,Adult videos featuring white women make less money than scat videos
"The kurishtan faith" is such a japanese thing. I love how they hear things and say it back their own way without shame and it becomes a new word
I'm afraid we all do this. World history and language is riddled with mispronounced and repurposed foreign words 🧐
Eh? Why would you expect people to use syllables that don't exist in their native language? I don't see English speakers adopting click consonants or tone-dependent meaning into their words.
I love listening to a foreign perspective of familiar concepts. It makes you think of things in a different way.
I agree, it makes you wonder what things we take for granted that are actually distorted truths.
@@user-hh2is9kg9j I've heard a lot of modern Japanese people actually describe Westerners as kinder than their fellow countrymen. Specifically that Westerners will always hold the door for the person behind them, apparently something not really seen in Japan.
You should read the Tvtropes page for "Humans Through Alien Eyes".
@@CHRB-nn6qp cuz, kirishtans!
Too bad these Japanese did not know of Julian the Apostate.
"They fall when they drink" lmao
That's just slander hahhahaa. Half of japanese turn red and can't hold their sake.
Damn, they perfectly described me!
Nailed it lol
My guess the westerners did not drink in moderation
@korosuke1788 also falling face first in public drunk happens with businessmen quite often.
17:08 a small correction: as Brazilian I know the word "hermano" doesn't exist in Portuguese, "iruman" was probably a mishearing of the word "irmão" that means brother
it's not even a mishearing really, it's just the most straightforward way to write "irmão" with japanese phonetics.
Or someone spoke Spanish in the delegation
@@typeswitchhe's talking about the subtitles on the screen, it was supposed to be "Irmão" and not "hermano". They are the same word but still different languages.
SARUMAN
@@sateo6310 I know. I'm just saying that @gabrielcunha2260 called "iruman" a mishearing of the word "irmão" and I'm pointing out that it's not a mishearing, it's the correct transcription of the word "irmão" into Japanese mora.
10:43 Here we hear a tale of how a Japanese lord became a gun guy. It happens to anyone regardless of nation or social class, when you fire the explodey stick, you grow to love it.
It’s hilarious that they considered him more frightening than monsters. Who knew that being tall, shaving your head, and dressing “like a bat” while speaking a foreign language would be so terrifying?
The yellowed eyes from scurvy and jaundice and red noses from sailors drinking at sea is pretty on point too
@@gideonmele1556scurvy does not cause yellow eyes but your teeth would fall out and gums would bleed
Priests and nuns are still terrifying. Ask any Catholic school kid.
Count Dracula knew.
Bruce Wayne knew
Fun fact: Japanese still have a popular cuisine called Nanban Style Chicken or Donkatsu (fried meat in bread crumbs). This name "Nanban" literally means "Southern Barbarian". This cuisine is believed to have been influenced by the Western cuisine. Japanese called Europeans Nanban (Southern Barbarians) because they all had to come through the South China Sea to reach Japan, so they believed that Europe was somewhere in the South of Asia.
Ohhh yeah we have that in Portugal as well… there’s a lot of influence on both language and cuisine between Portugal and Japan
Tempura, Keiran Somen and Kasutera are in Portuguese origin.
@@PescaterianmanOctopus I had to google them to see what they were and omg I recognise it all
@@PescaterianmanOctopus And konpeito (Portuguese confeito)
That's a good example of why "cultural appropriation" is such a stupid and a-historical concept. I'm sure many progressives would screech Nanban-style dishes are the exclusive purview of Japanese completely ignorant that it's actually a Japanese interpretation of Portuguese cooking.
Double interpretation is kind of like running a conversation through a chat AI, it just becomes esoteric and comical about 2 responses down the line.
Portuguese: "You have to line up the iron sights to be able to aim!"
Japanese: "Yes, I too have mastered the art of emotional and spiritual balance, it's impressive how you also have such an understanding of the philosophy of clarity..."
Cortez spoke to the native Mexicans through a chain of three sometimes four languages.
The initial insteuctions probably related to both having to aim with a clear picture of your target, and being brave enough not to flinch when the charge went off. So I would say, evwn if somewhat esoteric, the message got across.
@@egoalter1276 "Rectifying your heart" may have been a poor translation of standing straight and firm.
@@a2falcone This may be more effective with modern sniper rifles, but controlling your breathing to help you aim is still used. I think that is closer to the idea, with the general idea of total focus and concentration on the shot.
Lol
yelling at the boat from shore
"your noses are so big, we thought you used them to sail here."
The artwork accompanying this is just glorious.
Yes indeed!
0:14
@@UH-60_BlackhawkWhere you got that photo of me waking up 👺
A Japanese dude with Katana attacked the last Russian emperor during his visit. He then wrote that Japanese are feminine and he doesn't like them
Oh well. Japan had contact with Polish Uprising movement maybe hence the attack.
That’s so hilarious, emperor was probably fuming while writing that.
I don't get the femenine part but it kind of makes sense why he wouldn't like them after that.
@@professorhaystacks6606 it's not a logical response, it's just a standard way to deeply insult and discredit a man.
@@Nightriser271828 Ah. That makes sense I suppose.
I watched an embarrassing amount of this video before I realized "Kirishtans" meant "Christians"....
It's okay, I did too.
Me too 🙂
Thank you for the insight.
If it makes you feel better, I didn't realize it at all! 😳 Thank you for saying something, I never would have known!
yea i felt like an idiot once i finally realized
Weebs: "Samurai are noble and fight with honor, therefore they only use the Katana because it is the most honorable way to do battle."
Actual Samurai the literal millisecond they get a hold of guns. "Stay strappedu or geta clappedu"
Funnily enough the katana isn’t actually a samurai main weapon or secondary
@chaosenforcerdhm969 what's the main weapon of the samurai then?
@@viendoonepieceporprimerave9539 bows and the spear (a nagenata if a remember right)
The secondary was a short sword kantana like
The samurai's main weapon of choice is a complicated discussion because it changed depending on era and circumnstance. In the early Heian period, a samurai was a mounted archer first and foremost, so it'd be the bow; a samurai on foot during this period would need a weapon to counteract cavalry so they'd either use a naginata or a yari (a spear).
With the appearance of the teppo then mounted archers became less prevalent in the battlefield and the battle tactics were adapted for firing lines, which back then consisted on charging against the enemy and hoping you don't get killed. So light cavalry was favored, therefore a samurai's weapon would be a musket or a yari (which took the form of a cavalry lance). If at some point your weapon became disfavored (your lance broke or you shot once and don't have enough time to reload), you'd go to either your katana if you were on foot or your tachi if you were on horseback, the tachi being a larger and heavier saber than the katana and designed for mounted combat.
The tachi would eventually fall out of use, same as the naginata, as firearms technology advanced so a samurai in need of a melee weapon would either just use a katana or a weapon called a nagamaki, which was like a katana but with a longer handle. Though naginata would still be used, mostly by women and sohei (warrior monks), and though women and sohei did see a lot of fighting (it was the Sengoku), it (mostly) wasn't the big battles that you'd see with organized armies - women and sohei mostly dealt with marauders and bandits trying to attack temples or samurai estates. Sohei would see a large mobilization with the apparition of the Ikko Ikki that kind of brought the naginata back into the limelight for a while.
Come the Edo period the country the wars of the sengoku were over so samurai stopped using all of these weapons designed for the battlefield and in came the era of artistic light swords (katana) as both self defense weapons as well as status symbols; this is where the samurai = katana thing comes from - the sword back then was no longer a weapon of war, but a romanticized symbol that iconized the samurai caste. The naginata did have a bit of a resurgence here as samurai caste women did open their own martial arts schools, eventually forming the Jōshitai (娘子隊, Girls' Army), which fought during the fall of the Samurai against the Imperial Japanese Armies. As a bit of random fun fact, the idea of the honorable samurai also comes from this era because the bushido kind of became this mystic thing that samurai idealized - a samurai from the Sengoku would have no quarrels with having his buddy shoot his duel opponent with a musket during combat. As another bit of random fact, Yamamoto Yaeko of Joshitai fame would later go on to be the reason women's rights movements started so early in Japan.
The poor guy likely had jaundice, hence the yellow eyes.
Someone else in the comments wondered if it was maybe scurvy
Reddened nose from alcoholism too
@@gideonmele1556 Not so much alcoholism, but simply the fact that fresh water on a ship was not safe to drink. One had to either drink beer instead of water, or else add enough rum to the water to kill the various bacteria and parasites.
@@alexeyvlasenko6622 Beer cant be kept fresh and fit for consumption under these conditions. And I dont know, if Rum was a even thing at that time for the Spanish and Portugese, likely not.
But like jaundice so are couperose and rosacea (both lead to a red nose) often linked to a damaged liver.
I think it was just referring to hazel eyes which can look amber colored in the right lighting.
weve all seen fantasy versions of asia based on the misconceptions of europeans.
now we need a fantasy version of europe based on asian misconceptions
That would be every Korean Manhwa titled something like “Accidentally Married to the Murderous Duke!” There are about 58484377374784 of them
We do. They're most of European history books, before modern times. They still exist in expressions like Orientalism.
I think there are a lot of Anime out there that got you covered
@@Glindraug was going to comment similar lol
Attack on Titan, Fullmetal Alchemist
Fun fact: the illustrations of the person firing the gun with their feet were purposefully created to confuse the public. Tokitaka realised that such a simple weapon could easily fell a decade-long trained samurai and so he ordered the creation of such nonsensical works to hinder the use of guns by laypeople.
That is pretty crazy because I remember yesterday I watched a short about a soldier (French or British) during the Napoleonic era who was exceptionally good at a long range and I'm 99% sure they showed him shooting exactly like that, musket between the crossed feet.
@@mz8258 Probably a Bri'ish Rifleman. They used that technique for long range shooting. Mind you, "long range" in the Napoleonic era is something any rando with a scoped AR could do today, so...
@@ancuruadh6027 heck even with iron sights in a day or two of practice you can easly shoot a 20 inch barrel M16 up to 300m with ironsights assuming you are in a comfortable preferably prone position.
@@mz8258 It wouldn't surprise me if that was pure coincidence, because there are Japanese 'guides' showing the shooter closing the opposite eye or holding the gun in the opposite hands, which would have made things even more difficult to hit.
It's a man.
Oh I love this channel so much. Congrats for the hard work man!
I had to look up what "zensumaru" could mean as a Japanese approximation of what they are hearing from the Portuguese and it's apparently "Jesus e Maria"
"Jesus is Mary"? Why would they say that?
@@netnomad47 Not "is," but "and". "is" would have an acute accent over the e, like this: "é".
@@tiagorodrigues3730 ohh I see. Thank you for the clarification. I forget that a single accent mark can completely change a word's meaning in many romance Languages
I thought it was meant to be "Santa Maria"
EDIT: I found the book "Deus destroyed" and on page 478 it has the note:
15. "Zensumaru, Zensumaru" = "Jesus Maria, Jesus Maria."
I think Santa Maria also makes more sense as the goblins were constantly saying it.
"he looked to all the world like a bat, spreading his winds" what a great description.
But there is still one question to be answered: What was Batman doing back then in Japan?
Reminds me of the distinction between angels and vampires.
@@heiniknallkopp9688he lost his parents at the fall of Constantinople
Portuguese guy: close 1 eye to shoot better
Japanese: so insightful!
I’m pretty sure that’s not what yorre supposed to do
the strangest thing for me is that they didn't do that with the bow
@@thiagocoutinho7571The Japanese didn’t draw their bows at their eyeline but from the waistline.
@@thiagocoutinho7571 Mongolian and Korean short Recurve bows were used like that. Japanese bows are often taller than your height (As you might have seen in Dramas or Anime)
@@redskull3448 Most people today teach both eyes open under the belief it expands FOV, which is not what happens because proper marksmanship actually induces tunnel vision by focusing on the POA. Competition shooters using iron sights often use an aperture or eye cover for this reason. What both eyes open actually does is allow you to target focus which is important in identifying if it someone who needs to be shot or not. You are deliberately sacrificing accuracy as it isn't as important as confirming personnel ID. As soon as PID is established, most people generally switch to one eye as they bring the gun up higher to hit the "vitals" (head, chest). This can also be important if your adversary is using visible light against you (such as to PID you as well) as if your non-firing eye is hit with a lot of light, your eye dominance will actually switch and you will completely lose your red dot even if it should normally be visible in your firing eye.
Other reasons for both eyes open is when using night vision monocular (non-firing eye has NVD, naked eye looks down red dot, or when wearing a gas mask or ballistic face shield as both eyes combine the images which helps to look past the fogging). If you switch shoulders though (most people don't train to do this but it is important in taking use of non-dominant side cover) your eye dominance will cause you to lose your sight unless you have an excessively bright aiming point. So in this case you close one eye to switch eye dominance.
Before 360 no scopes they had "lie down naked and shoot live prisoners while using your foot as a support"
17:09 The "Southern Barbarians" were Portuguese, not Spanish, so "Iruman" = "Irmão", not "Hermano".
Also, the fact that the Japanese turned "Cristão" (Christian) into "Kirishitan" and not "Kirisitan" probably indicated that already by then the Portuguese (or at least some Portuguese) pronounced the "-s" at the end of syllables as "-sh", a distinctive characteristic of our Portuguese accent.
Not sure about old japanese, but there is no "si" in modern japanese. It's approximated by "shi"
@@akaRicoSanchez I thought about that.
According to Wikipedia, the actual pronunciation of the hiragana し and katakana シ is neither "si" (/si/) nor "shi" (/ʃi/), but rather /ɕi/ (which, frankly, to me, sounds much closer to /si/ than to /ʃi/).
No matter if the Portuguese said [s] or [ʃ], the resulting Japanese syllable is the same, [ɕi].
Not sure, but it is possible they are translating from Latin instead of Portuguese.
In Latin, Christian is of course Christianus. Which they would pronounce in a Portuguese way.
Of course Latin and Portuguese are close so I am not sure.
It is also possible it is through Spanish, where the word is Cristiano/Cristiana
@@tj-co9go I don't see why would they translate from Portuguese to Japanese and back using either Latin or Spanish as an intermediary language, considering the Japanese knew none of those languages.
Also, Portuguese and Spanish are so closely related (and back then, they were even more similar), no Japanese would note the difference between the two.
I just LOVE this spectacles illustration at 14:03 :D It perfectly captures the idea of glasses!
Early anime eyes
I loved it too
22:00 The man wearing sunglasses walking on the right is cool, and this already transcends even the concept of glasses worn by the man on the left. However, in the painting, the temples of the sunglasses he is wearing are not visible. If they are not sunglasses, perhaps they are expressing "eye shadow", the shadow around the eyes that is prominent on white men with protruding frontal bones like the eaves of a house, seen in group photos of Westerners taken during the day. As far as I know, that shadow, that is, like sunglasses... like a black hole... that bottomless pitch black darkness... is expressed in Japanese manga and anime from the 1980s, but I don't really know much about the era several hundred years ago...
@@ucc930ml glasses and sunglasses used to be only the front part. I don't know how they managed to use them 🤣 Maybe they pinched the nose a little bit.
In Spain we call it Quevedos because a famous 15th Century writer called Francisco de Quevedo used them. If you search his name, you can see his famous painting using those
@@araceli2827 Thanks for the info, I searched for the person and saw the Wikipedia info, and found a description of the use of those styles of glasses in the related information. And in the comments section there is a thread discussing nose size in whites and other races, which I thought might have a lot to do with it
Love how the retainer practicing shooting appears to be aiming at someone with his hands tied. I wonder if he was practicing on criminals...
Historically the Japanese would test the sharpness of a new sword on random people, so this is very likely a prisoner or a random person they grabbed
@@jakemolenaar6156
The testing of random people was usually by criminals and during war times when police wasn't as widespread.
That was outlawed in many regions where lords ruled, samurai who were found to do that would have been executed the same way or lose his rank. One such as Sano Jirōzaemon who went on a spree in 1696 before his capture and execution. Japanese swords would be tested on already executed or living criminals, especially lawfully acquired katanas and other weapons.
(But also remember that these criminals could have done small crimes like being christian, stealing food, committing an offense against a samurai and so on.)
Given Japan's history back then, it was either a Christian or low-caste peasant.
@@jakemolenaar6156 It's not common. The dead body was used to test the sharpness of the katana
I love the videos this channel makes! So interesting to hear the perspectives and stories of the past. Thanks for all the work you do and for sharing these stories.
I had the pleasure of visiting Nagoya and heading south to stay in Handa, which is well off the normal tourist route. I'm from the UK and with me we're an Italian and a Belgian work colleague, we were all working for the Asahi glass company based in Taketoyo. The Japanese people around Handa and Taketoyo don't usually see many foreigners making us an interesting spectacle. A toddler in a shopping centre began pointing at us while simultaneously pulling on their mum's skirt, undoubtedly saying something like 'mummy look at those strange people'. The mum spoke some English and apologised for the child pointing at us explaining that the child hadn't seen a westerner in person before. We all said hello to the kid who promptly hid behind their mum. It doesn't matter where you go in the world, kids are always kids. I've always found Japanese people to be polite and helpful whenever I visited Japan, so a big thankyou to them and I highly recommend a visit if you're a westerner to experience a real culture shock, but please be respectful.
Nah we Japanese are the ones who need to thank (and apologize). It’s obvious that the kid had no ill intentions, but that kind of behavior can be taken in a very serious way especially in these days. Thank you for being considerate and understanding.
I never thought I'd see the name "Handa" in the comments section of an English video on TH-cam, the city where I currently live.
8:23 While putting 'teppou' in a dictionary would indeed give you "firearm" the Japanese word itself is not analogous to "fire" "arm" as the video suggests. The actual native meaning of the word is closer to "iron tube" and has origins that date back to early bombs used by the Mongols.
Thank you! I wondered if the Japanese word indeed was literally _firearm_ (which seemed very unlikely) and it’s helpful to know that it was not. “Iron tube” makes a lot more sense (and, of course, we can recognize the first syllable in the word _teppanyaki,_ a way of cooking on an *iron* griddle).
It is just a list of the meanings of the kanji, and the meaning of ``teppo 鉄砲'' is the firearm. tepp鉄砲＝firearm
Muskets, rifles, hunting rifles, Winchesters, AK, and M16 are all "tepp鉄砲"
Youve got to be joking! i wrote an essay on religious toleration in Tokugawa japan and submitted it yesterday and used the same sources! The world works in mysterious ways
I think they had a list of what is tolerated, and Kirishitan wasn't on it
@@hoi-polloi1863 I think it was generally ignored until the 2nd edict of hideyoshi
@@AverageJoe-vd9mwHideyoshi was before the Tokugawa era
This was before the tokugawa era (edo period) thats why the text describes them as coming completely unopposed which would have not been a thing in the isolationist tokugawa era
maybe Tokugawa also did not think Christianity was good.
They just thought that trade was more important than the safety of people.
However, he decided that it was inevitable that it would be colonized, japan did SAKOKU.
This is really cool. I’ve recently been involving breath work in my long range rifle practice and it’s doing me well. Was cool to hear Tokitawa reference that
It's pretty crazy that, 1500 years before the beginning of the japanese-europeans relationships, the roman and chinese empire knew each other and had some indirect contact through trade and travellers. There's even a 2015 film called "Dragon Blade", starring John Cusack, Jackie Chan and Adrien Brody, in which the surviving roman soldiers of Crassus' parthian disaster end up in China and meeting the bizarre asian culture and traditions
Ima have to watch that one, thanks for the tip! I also highly recommend the show "Shogun" which came out very recently. It's a great look at this time period and very well done and historically accurate.
@@JonnoPlays
You should watch the 127-minute version and not the crappy commercial one. OK Ru has it, actually
China is not that bizarre for a Roman trader since they had trade networks to India and so on for periods.
There's some good documentaries on TH-cam going over it (it may actually be this channel). It MIGHT be true but the actual descriptions are incredibly vague.
Basically a group of "white" people showed up in central Asia as a mercenary group and used "turtle shields" (probably a roman shield wall/phalanx)
There's some thought that Christianity might have been heavily influenced from Buddhism coming over from India. Even some ancient Greek philosophers seem to have been influenced by east/southeast asian religion and I believe there's a noted Greek guy who converted to Buddhism though my memory may have that a bit wonky
It should be noted that the Buddhists in Japan of Nobunaga's time had as much power as the Catholic Church in Europe and were actively involved with war against him. Nobunaga was friendly with the western powers so they viewed them as enemies to destroy. A lot of Christian "followers" in Japan would have been more syncretic in their beliefs and would have been involved in varying degrees rather than strict followers or non-followers which means a lot of these Buddhist inquisitions killed people who might have not even been devot Christians. It wasn't until the Meiji restoration that the influence of the Buddhists was significantly reduced through force in place of state Shintoism.
Just a small note on your comment about the Meji restoration, and the state shinto. A person might read it as one religion gaining favor over another, and in some ways it is like that.
But it's important to understand that before the Meji era, there was no 'contradiction' between Buddhism and Shinto. Japanese attitudes towards religion have long been that of syncretism, and Buddhism and Shinto shared practicioners, believers, and influenced each other. They had common shrines and places of worship. The Meji government separated these religions, by law, to elevate shinto (for political reasons), but it's kind of telling how intertwined the faiths were among the populace, that a government has to forcefully separate two religions from each other.
So viewing it as two orthodox sects at each other's throats, insisting on their mutual exclusivity, and one gaining the government's favor over the other would be inaccurate.
Except that Buddhists dont go around Catholic countries converting them to Buddhism
@@jonirischx8925 I already pointed out the syncretism, but it they were definitely not viewed as totally equal. Buddhism had held a stronger standing over shintoism and this would have been obvious to the Emperor. Buddhism was intentionally altered to be subordinate to the emperor and reduce the power held by Buddhist elements.
If I’m not mistaken, before the Meiji reform, The Edo Period didn’t see much development of Japanese Buddhism. Oda Nobunagas persecuting them in the Sengoku period helped, but in the Edo period there was more of a preference for Neo-Confucianism (specifically the strand influenced by figures like Wang Yangming). Shinto also saw newfound interest at this time, with scholars attempting to either mesh it with Confucian principles or attempt to distinguish it from Buddhism (yes, even before the Meiji). Of course Shinto has a very complicated history, and sometimes it mingled with Buddhism and other times Shinto sects developed as a reaction to it. I’d go into more detail but it’s getting late and I’m too lazy to get the books I learned this from out. I took a class which talked about Japanese history and did my final research paper on Buddhist/Shinto interactions over the years.
The Meiji constitution was modeled after European constitutions and guaranteed the right to freedom of religion.
The descriptions about firearms and aim is intriguing.
I definitely think each part chose their words carefully before conveying it to the interpreter.
Likely with the Europeans, because they had experienced said situation many times before on their travels.
I love the growth of this channel. It's well deserved.
Such a fascinating time in Japanese history! Thank you for making this. I’m watching that series on Netflix now and this is a perfect accompaniment
Damn! You keep an eye on everything 😂 Your videos about the portuguese empire are amazing, there ain't much content around that covers the portuguese empire like you do, and you do an amazing job at it 👍
I'm Portuguese. I can't believe how accurate the description is.
How is the goblin thing going? 🤣😂😆
Like a CONCH SHELL
Is 7 feet still the average height?
I love that you put sources in the description - legendary actions.
Im Portuguese. This man calling us goblins offends me 500 years later lol. But im sure these sailors health were atrocious.. which would make them look awful
Goblins are still famous in european culture to this day for a big reason, ok?
Portuguese or Japanese, scurvy discriminates none.
@@arandomperson5434 facts
Hello goblin!
@@dilipaweeratunga Don’t make me say some racist shit back rn
"Greetings people of Japan, we're here to pay respects to your emperor"
"...what is this dark goblin saying?"
_brings actual black person as a gift_
YAMERO
Sounded like I was watching Braveheart for a minute there.
"The Portugese were 7 feet tall!"
"Yes I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds, and if they were here they'd consume the Shogun with fireballs from their eyes and bolts of lightning from their arses!"
Please don't mention a Gibson movie in a serious history discussion.
Some were 6 feet tall, to the japanese that might seem like 7 feet. Enourmously tall
@@PalmettoNDN calm down. Not like anyone said it was historically relevant.
i mean, the Portuguese brought an insane amount of canons in their ships and had firearms so your quote actually wouldn't be too far off, just that the Portuguese didn't come to conquer, only trade, why fight for the land if you can make money and have access to their land's resources anyways without a fight
Nowadays Portuguese men are barely taller than Japanese men, if I'm not mistaken they are the shortest country in Europe. I doubt that they could be so significantly taller back then to look like giants. The whole description is a wild exaggeration! Also, these were mere sailors, while many of the Japanese were noblemen or scholar, who probably ate a richer diet. Nowadays, many people get as tall as is possible given their genetics, but at the time what you could afford to eat was probably much more important. This would be my guess.
as a Portuguese, I've learned to accept and appreciate the villain role.
You shouldn’t bro, Portugal is awesome 💪
_devolvam nosso ouro_
@@strogonoffcore your people emigrated to Brazil long after the Portuguese took gold from Brazil. so how is it your gold.? please explain to me
@@bconni2 You just called your country the villain though, that usually has bad connotations.
@@strogonoffcoreNunca, vai trabalhar
Such a great video! It was cool to view my ancestors through the lens of another culture!!
I love hearing people of the past.
The past should never be forgotten in nor should the people
This has been suggested before (and even liked by the channel) but it would be nice to get a video of the thai embassy to the french court. There's a lengthy and detailed diary from the thai perspective.
The facial expressions on the old Japanese art got me busting up 😂
Thank you for this video, as a Portuguese this was very interesting.
This was great!
Somewhat-related aside: For about 9 years I lived in Nagashino (Shinshiro City, Aichi Prefecture) and the surrounding area, where the Battle of Nagashino took place in 1555. Tokugawa and Nobunaga clashed and flintlock rifles were used in battle for the first time there. From what I understand, due to the large force surrounding a vastly smaller force in Nagashino Castle, there's a placard dedicated to this battle on-site at The Alamo. I've yet to go to Texas to see it for myself, though.
I believe it was a battle where combined force of Nobunaga and Tokugawa crushed the Takeda clan.
I'm really enjoying your videos covering rare historical events from the pov of non-Europeans. I'd really appreciate if you could cover Eastern Europe too (not just Russia). Thank you for your hard work!
I’m 1 minute in and I am dying 🤣😂🤣 the shade 😂🤣 “his outfit looked like felt carpet” 🪭🪭😂
The bit about him looking like a bat was funny.
"The secrets of the firearm lie in the heart, spirit, and the power of the will."
"Also ya gotta squint with one eye closed"
I would suggest to add a caption or subtitles for those who don't speak english very well, because your videos are really fascinating
TH-cam literally has a captions button, all videos have it. Sometimes it's auto generated, others is done better. Check at the top right ifnon mobile, it's the button that says "cc".
If you haven't watched the show "Shogun" yet then I would highly recommend it. The show covers this period of time and it's really good!
*cough* the original too *cough*
Just don't take it face value if you wish to learn the history of the period, it is first and foremost a novel, with a fantastical plot, taking inspiration in the historical setting of Japan in 1600.
I dont mean to criticize the show, I bet it's great, and I may watch it someday. But it's dreadful seeing people online say things like "Well, the Portuguese wanted to conquer Japan because of the Treaty of Tordesillas!" when it's a made-up plot device in the show.
The Treaty was merely a mediatory tool between Portugal and Spain, so there wouldn't be territorial disputes in these new lands. It wasn't a plan to divide the world for conquest, as much as pop history has made the average person believe.
In fact, Portugal was in quite good standing with Japan and China (receiving Macau and Nagasaki as gifts of goodwill)...Well...for some time, in Japan, as the Shogun grew uneasy with the proselytising and cut the head of the beast by expelling the Portuguese. Wisely so in a way, as it secured his rule, but also brutally so. (Though we were also brutal in our prosletysing in places like Goa and Malacca, not in Japan though, where we sent missionaries, not inquisitors.)
Bit of a rant, quite sad how pop culture can skew how people understand history. Nevertheless, as I said, it must be an amazing show nevertheless, it's not every day you get historical dramas with mint production like these air! We just need to be aware that some plot devices are...not actual history
also "the water margin" which is Chinese. The cannon is invented and then destroyed. Even if it could save the day.
@@LiangShanPo The novel that was (loosely) the basis for the Suikoden games.
That show where the tiny Asian women knockout men with "martial arts" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That beginning, in short:
"If you look like this at all you are not allowed in my restaurant." ~Japanese restaurant owner 2024
The poor sailors were probably affected by scurvy and jaundice, no wonder they were described as grotesque figures and sounding like owls...
I bet they hadn't had a haircut in a while, either!
14:39 I think "Furaten" derives, not from "Franciscan" but from "Frade", meaning "Brother" (of a religious order), just as "Bateren" derives from "Padre" (archaic Portuguese for "Father", but by then already used only in the sense of "Priest" - not exclusively Jesuits).
Even directly from latin "frater" probably.
@@pizmak6268 The Japanese had no direct contact with the Romans. Their first contact with Europeans was with the Portuguese. Sure, Jesuits spoke Latin, but on their daily life they used vernacular, in this case, Portuguese. They had no reason to use Latin in Japan (except in mass, of course), so it makes more sense that "Furaten" and "Bateren" are Japanese attempts at reproducing Portuguese words they heard the Jesuits say.
Fun fact: Padre is still used in the British military as a term to describe priests. It's a word picked up by the British army in Portugal during the Napoleonic Wars.
"They are quite harmless"...
Famous last words
I mean the first hostile encounter they had wasn't until the Americans forced them to open their market in the 1800s by gunbaot diplomacy
@@hagalathekido Dude, this video just described how some of the Christians conspired to make an uprising in Japan.
Portugal could easly take Japan at the time with the most advances ships and canons and guns but the King was not interested in that cause of the King distance , it was Simply a church mission to convert the pagans
Cause of the distance of the two countrys
@rudgullit1989 When the invasion of Korea by Hideoshi occured, 1/4th of the Japanese forces had firearms on them. Portugal would not have won, they'd be crushed long before any significant force actually arrived.
Franciscan friars: feed the poor, treat the ill, give alms, embrace the outcasts of society and welcome everyone.
Japanese nobility: "how dare you lower yourselves to that level and use such trickery to covert the people"
Jesus: Since when did the European barbarians, Lotfay, especially Portugal, they were just pirates?
*only accepted and welcomed if they converted.
while the act itself is good its more or less just a manipulation tactic to prey on the most vulnerable of there society to promote there flavor of organized religion
I'm not a Christian, let alone a Catholic, but Franciscan's are great.
In power/fear and honor/shame cultures it's loathsome to help the weak or dishonorable. Even in sin/righteousness cultures it's sometimes seen as good by people who consider themselves righteous to look down on the sinful. Only the Gospel sees it as virtuous to help people who are sinful, dishonorable, or fearful because without the Messiah even the righteous are themselves worthy of condemnation. Sadly, many who claim the Gospel fail to see this point.
@@jimpemberton You've been watching too many youtube videos. Your language is dripping in prechewed layman hooks.
I really appreciate the visuals made from old paintings
Fascinating. I would love to hear more of these translations of European missionaries and traders from the perspective of the indigenous people. Having said that I would also really enjoy hearing this from the perspective of the Europeans.
Native Americans did not develop a script or alphabet. These texts do not exist.
The long nose stuff is funny. I spent about 3 weeks in Japan. When I got back to USA I have to admit White noses did look big after not seeing them for a while 👃
Smaller noses are more attractive. My nose bridge is straight like the ancient greek statues. I get compliments from people I barely meet because of that.
It's not "bigger", just shaped differently. East-Asian nose is similar to Black nose, flattened and large.
In France, some people consider long noses (in men especially) to be attractive
@@Trancymind That depends on the people and the culture, also the sex. Small noses are seen as feminine.
@@Trancymind The men of Italy beg to differ.
When I look at Europe on the map, and then look at where Japan is on the map, I find it utterly crazy the lengths those European explorers would go to find such a place. Like why?? Is it even worth it?
God, Gold and Glory
@@JelgioValerio Japan is one of the farthest civilizations away from Europe. And not only that, if you look on a map you'll see that explorers could not just go over there in a straight line; they had to go _around_ several land masses including entire continents just to make it there by boat. It had to of been quite a suicidal mission for them to undertake not knowing how many months it would take them to find new unexplored land. But they took on the challenge anyway because they were totally out of their mind (not to mention, lucky as hell too).
@@rsuriyop They had already been visiting India and China long before they landed in Japan. It wasn't like they just skipped everything in between. Japan was just the next place to visit after China.
Extroverts got to be exploring, I guess.
You try being locked between the sea and Spain......with nowhere else to expand. This isn't an European thing. The human spirit WANTS to explore...........don't we go to space? It's the same thing. We want to expand, explore, find out more about the universe.