“What he is talking about ???orthodoxy is the TRUE church this is why ALL prostenants are dumb illogical morons “ would be his response summed up in a nutshell
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
Quotes out of context like that make you sound like a raving communist.... In context: the world is divided into categories but are under the same grace.... if we read other chapters of the bible aspects of law are not changed (as Jesus had said) but we are not judged by the law but by grace not that the law is done away with either for not one tot or titel was passed from the law until it be fulfilled. God also creates nations as categories, also how a man should behave and how a woman should behave, also that there are only two genders..... I hear a lot of misquotes like this coming from gays and trans people....
@@defenderofTheWordanen? You probably mean Amen, or Amin (how the Orthodox say it, not to be confused with the Muslims Ameen) but never heard of anen...
As a catholic, I am so glad someone finally explained that the catholic church wasn't this barbaric tribe who burned women who could do math and people who disagreed with them, and actually tells that it actually contributed so much to science and theology. While also being very good to many people and was one of the main contributers to spreading the word of God. Thank you.
@@JessePinkman808I was expecting him to put Catholicism in B. S is reserved for his own tradition and A would have been too full if he put Catholic there
@@lesinge8868 Then if his own traditional religion has to be the only S, then Catholicism should totally be an A tier because it was the church founded by Jesus Christ
As a 14 girl who is still trying to figure out everything this video and all of your videos help explain a lot. Both of my parents aren’t Christian so there isn’t a way for me to go to Church. Its very sad and i’m looking for a way to go. But thank you for helping me understand all the different branches.
Praying for you. Seek God and He will provide for you! Jesus is the way, truth, and life!! I hope this encourages you to pray 🙏 May your life be changed forevermore
I know it sounds corny, but its true when they say that in heaven they celebrate when someone turns to the Lord. Your perseverance in a time like this will help you in a lifetime of following Jesus, I promise.
As a historian, I found my way into the Catholic faith from a Protestant tradition. As John Henry Newman famously said: "to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
@@islandblindI am catholic and that quote is sadly taken out of context. Newman wrote that in an essay critiquing a faction in the CofE that disregarded all church history and he wrote it while still an Anglo-Catholic, not in union with the Pope. What he means by Protestant is not the same as what we catholics in this age associate with the term. Still I would agree with your interpretation that history is clear that the Catholic Church is what it claims to be. Still recommend not using that quote as it is taken horribly out of context by Protestants and catholics alike. God bless you
Genuine question regarding the baptism criticism in the baptist section. You said "they think salvation needs to be a personal individual choice" My mind jumped to Romans 10:9-10 which seems to indicate that salvation is a very personal choice. Obviously it can be influenced by others, but its ultimately up to the individual. Where do you see in scripture that it is not a personal choice? Also, You said "baptism is about citizenship within the kingdom of God, and you become a citizen of your country at birth" How could heavenly citizenship can't precede salvation when the choice for salvation hasn't been made yet/if at all?
Baptism the way it's taught to me, is that no one knows what you are thinking, so how can people in the church know you're saved, you may say it and everyone may very well believe that you are saved but by being Baptized we are telling the congregation that we believe Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose on the third day for our sins
I hope he replies to this comment. Because I too am Baptist. I believe in that personal relationship with God and in a lot of ways I think we and Lutherans can talk about alot (I like how Lutherans do it). The criticism of “idolizing preachers” I can understand and it is a problem, however that personal connection to God, is really what brings Baptist home for me. We are to point to Jesus, we are patient in the conversion of non believers. It’s all about nurturing and taking your time and maturing into the word of God
Presbyterians - Baptism = Salvation through Covenant + OSAS = Any sin a person wants to practice the rest of his life means the person is saved. That is why Presbyterian U.S.A. logically from their TULIP system believe in Gay Marriage, as the other Heretical "Christian" churches do in the same category. See ECLA "Full Communion."
As a catholic thank you for not calling us witch burners or papists. It’s such a breath of fresh air hearing different denominations being polite and fair to each other
I’m a Greek Orthodox Christian living in America. I’ve been one since birth. Usually, I skip to the part where you talk about my religion because nobody talks about us. When you talked about our churches, and how beautiful you thought they where. But, a couple things I feel are a bit off. The Orthodox are extremely theologically conservative. We essentially untouched by “modern” ideals. That’s mostly because we don’t have many followers from America. Anyways, our churches (in my opinion) are the most beautiful of all the denominations. But the icons have way more meaning than you think. A picture is worth a thousand words. We’d dedicate part of our bible studies to icons in our church, by just pointing at them and explaining. Explaining takes a long time. Other than that, I hope you have a great day man. Love the vids. I also chuckled when you said we tend to be more nationalistic. It’s true, but I had something else in mind. Can’t tell if that was a joke or not.
Agreed, Protestants innovated everything. Many Protestants today would believe the disciples and Church fathers to be heretics since the reformers changed so much doctrine.
The Seventh Ecumenical Council expresses two sides to the doctrine of Iconography: Iconography as a didactic tool and iconography as a witness to the deification of the material. The first of these doctrines is heavily leaned into by Renaissance Catholicism and Iconophilic Protestantism. In this iteration of the argument, Icons are defended as useful educational tools that communicate in their beauty an essential spiritual truth. It is/was an argument that held particular sway in the medieval period when literacy was low. The second, however, has had a far greater impact in the Orthodox world. This argument explains that in the Incarnation, the divine Godhead for the first time deified the worldly, human and material. Christ, in his divinity taking on our humanity, raises our humanity to the level of the divine. Our humanity is raised to divinity through Theosis just as an iron in contact with a flame takes on the flame's heat without losing its material or shape. Icons are the ultimate witness to this process of theosis. The true icon is transformed in a eucharistic act of dedication to God from the mere matter of paint and wood into that same matter glowing with the glory of God. This is the substance of the beauty of an icon. This theological belief is also precisely how we understand the witness of the saints or even the divine beauty expressed in each person. This is the reason that in the Liturgy, the incense is applied both to the painted icons (Lesser icons as they are called) and to the people in the congregation (the Greater Icons as they are crafted by God and show the theology if Icon in our very bodies and form). It is this second argument which the Western World has significantly missed and, in many ways, through an understanding of the relationship between icon and glorification we grasp the inner theology of humanity's deification.
Been going on a dive into what goes into making icons. I knew it was a process, but it's more akin to a trade and a lifestyle than making just an illustration.
I'm Orthodox and i must say that nothing in an Orthodox church is there purely for beauty. In the historic Christian faith it has always been understood that church is a sacramental place that is set apart. Images in the church direct us toward the reality that what us depicted is the visoble reality beyond what we see. In Hebrews it says we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses, which is illustrated in the iconlography of the chirch. The architecture also reflects our beliefs from the dome representing heaven above to the crucifix showing the reality of Christs sacrifice to the Resurrection and enthronement of Christ. Its not there just for pretty. The Bible tells us to worship the Lord in beauty and holiness.
yeah also Orthodox churches line up closest to prechristian temples, and since we are basically carrying on the OT tradition in light of Christ's ministry, it doesn't make sense to reinvent that which doesn't need to be. A first century christian would feel most at-home in an Orthodox church, which is exactly the timelessness all of christianity should strive for.
The 1st Century Born Again New Creations were slack in removing themselves from the Temple traditions BUT they finally did till the Almighty had them destroyed, UNFORTUNATELY those hijacked the Temple trappings and other stuff to recreate their own idolatry @@jansi8478
That is so interesting! As a Christian who appreciates Church Architecture, i never realized how much meaning thwre was behind it innthe Orthodox Tradition! One of the best tours i had was by an Orthodox Priest of their church.
In defence of the Orthodox church: First of all, categorizing it as "Eastern" opposes the fact that it was the religion of the first Western state, except if you meant it in the sense of "Eastern European". Secondly, the arts and sciences were very much present inside the Easten Roman Empire, the explosion of scientific and artistic progress in Western Europe, where Catholicism was prevalent, happened after the diaspora of Greek intellectuals from Constantinople introduced Europe to a wealth of ancient Greek manuscripts. Thirdly, nationalism amongst Orthodox Christians is neccessary for our survival; the Eastern Roman Empire served as the bulwark against Persian and Muslim expansion, giving Central Europeans multiple centuries to develop their own cultures and states.
The Renaissance happened because Italy had the means to fund all the research and scientific works as well as for having an abundance of scholars since before the migration of Greek scholars (the Renaissance had already started before the Fall of Constantitonople), otherwise it would have happened in the Byzantine Empire.
Yeah Zoomer talking about Nationalism tied to a church and being Presbyterian is an INSANE take as well. Out of all churches bar maybe the Russian Orthodox Church (Could maybe push the Ukrainian Church up here as well but that's more due to Russian Orthodox Church itself) is without a doubt the Church most tied to any nationalist movement in Christian history.
yeah, he doesn't understand the importance of the east for the academic realm, arguably significantly more important than the west, but had to deal with muslims for the time post schism. Also nationalism is a condemned heresy in the Orthodox Church, ethnophyletism was condemned.
Your critique of modern day Baptist is pretty accurate. And, I love how you acknowledge certain Baptist who are trying to renew the Baptist faith like Gavin Ortland, who is one the best Protestant apologists on TH-cam. However, as I have commented on previous videos, Baptist are NOT radical reformers/Anabaptists. Though we are not reformed either, historical Baptist were more in agreement with the Reformed tradition than they were with the Anabaptist tradition.The First London Confession even makes this clear in its first sentence, “The confession of faith of those churches which are commonly (though falsely) called Anabaptists.” As someone who is Baptist, is training to be a Baptist minister, and absolutely loves church history and other Protestant traditions, this frustrates me because we are falsely labeled as radical reformers, and many Baptist wear the label as a badge of pride. I’m honestly praying for renewal and an ecumenical spirit to return to the Baptist tradition.
Thank you for commenting this, I grew up in a Baptist church and know of many other churches like mine that have our church family and traditions, many people who are well versed in scripture, etc.
Personally it seemed a little unfair to base most denominations on their best expressions except for Baptists. To be fair, I am biased myself as a Baptist.😂 Keep up the good work brother!
First he said we think institutional Christianity is bad because institutions get corrupt, and rejected this. Later, he lamented how some institutional denominations have been hijacked. That's the corruption right there. "Rogue mercenaries" is an analogy on point, however. Many churches I've been part of have been quite individualistic and struggle to be a family or to reflect the kingdom.
As a Baptist, yeah, a lot of Baptists have a bad habit of not knowing the doctrines that our denomination was founded upon. I ask around my Baptist friends what they think about regenerate church membership (the defining trait of Baptist churches) and they have no idea. If I were to make a tier list like this then I would put Baptists in S or A tier based on beliefs and doctrine, but in culture and in practice I'd agree with you wholeheartedly.
I am a member at an Independent Baptist Church. I can honestly say it is the most Christ-centered, theologically rich, congregation led church I have ever been to. I’ve been to a lot of baptist churches, and I don’t fit in very well, and agree with your assessment on most baptist churches. But the body of my church has extremely intelligent and wise God fearing people. The point of my comment is that sometimes the Lord leads you to places you never thought you’d go to. I’ve been blessed. Be well ❤
Finally a comment that isn’t a catholic or orthodox 14 year old who hates Protestants and evangelicals simply because of their ego and think they are “redpilled, gigachad and based” because some youtuber said they are.
Usually the problem with baptist churches is that they remove a lot of tradition and then add in their own tradition and treat it like it’s scriptural. Many baptist churches force their women to dress borderline Amish with skirts or dresses only. They force their members to donate 10% of their paychecks utilizing fear tactics and prosperity gospel. They say you cannot drink alcohol in any amount, tattoos damn you to hell, and they tell you that you cannot be friends with those outside your cult denomination. Many baptist churches are great. West Baptist Church in Florida is an amazing church. But many baptist churches tend to stick to being an “IFB” Church, which like it or not, is not far from being considered a cult.
I think one thing missed about Baptists by mainline church commentators is about our traditions. Our independence is our tradition. We still feel united, generally speaking; however, don't accept top-down organization. Some of the critiques are spot on, though, lol. I would also add the extreme fundamental baptists to the d or f part of the chart since they often make minor issues on par with salvation itself.
C.S. Lewis described non-denominationalism like this: Imagine Christianity as a big house, and every door is a different denomination. You might spend a long time deciding which room it is you feel most comfortable in, but you can't decide to just live in the hallway.
Having spent time in a variety of churches of different denominations throughout my life, I can say with certainty that the individual church matters far more than the denomination.
While not Christian, I agree. I think that the specific house of worship and congregation is more important in *every* religion, since a community isn't going to be the exact same as another just because they follow the same religious denomination.
I partially agree. I'm a Catholic, and I've been a member of 3 different Catholic churches over the years. The structure is the same, the mass is the same, the music is different, and that's about it. The difference between denominations, though, can be pretty big. I don't think any of them are wrong (other than woke modern ones), but the differences at least matter. Edit: and the church "staff"(?) obviously. But they've been good everywhere I've been.
@@owfiI agree completely I've been come some sort of Christian universalist. I believe all denominations (other than woke ones like you said) are under the umbrella of Christ's church and has saved believers in it. Anyone who has a heart for God will be saved through their faith and love in His son. I believe anyone who believes it is faith alone will God to heaven based on that if someone thinks it includes the sacraments I believe it will for them if they believe baptism is most important they will all be judged in the way they believe in Christ because they serve Christ and there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. There has to be a reason God made all these denominations as I have met true men and women of God in everyone of them. Clearly God has a use for putting men and women in them. (What I mean when I say Christian universalist is not the same as universalist) I believe that all Christians who actually follow Christ no matter what denomination they are part of. I do believe non Christians and biblical heretics are not going to heaven.
@@justdoinmythingthe denomination does matter. Let's take the Eucharist: if Christ commanded us to "do this in memory of me" in the sense of the perpetual Mass with transubstantiation occurring at individual masses practiced by Catholics, every denomination, and by extension every Christian within that denomination, is disobeying Christ. This also isn't a slight point to be ignored though as He clearly states whoever doesn't eat and drink of it has no life, causing many to abandon Him. Paul also reminds us that drinking unworthily is to drink death. We cannot be apathetic about what we believe.
Jesus was baptized as an adult as were the apostles, Baptist baptisms make the most sense. Given how important the concept of free will is in theology just reinforces the point that adult baptism makes more sense than infant baptism.
I have come to the conclusion there is no perfect theology; orthodoxy loves the history and "mysteries" which IS supported by doctrine. " I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you." and "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." the Apostolic Tradition of Hippolytus allows for infants to be baptized. Colossians 2:11-12 speaks of baptism in lieu of circumcision but says you were "raised through faith". Of course Acts 2:38-41 tells of the remission of sin and some would argue infants are not guilty of sin, but I disagree. “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Psalm 51:5. "I baptize you with water for repentance, but one who is more powerful than I is coming after me; I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire". 1 Peter 3:21 - Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" You could argue an infant doesn't have a conscience, but the baptism is an appeal to God. Acts 22:16 - And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ - AND wash away your sins. I don't believe the two are one, but you have to repent and call upon Christ. The baptism seems to be on top of the belief. Yes, you can take a bath but you also have to repent to be clean(sed of sin). I don't see a problem with infant baptism as you also need repentance (or be free from sin) to be saved. My worthless argument.
Yea I mean I'm part of the Alliance denomination (basically baptist) which focuses on evangelism and preaching the. Gospel. I believe that infant baptism is stupid but it's not like it's gonna keep them from Heaven. This video serves no purpose the guy just wants to say that his denomination is better than everyone else's, while there are some denominations that are false, most denominations have the same core beliefs
As a man raised Greek Orthodox with strong connections with Russia it was indeed interesting to listen to your opinion on the Orthodox Church. From my point of view you just did not search deeply enough about the Orthodox Church because it did have an impact on world cultural heritage. Don't forget about the Pandidakterion, which was de facto the first university in the world. That's why it is called sometimes as the University of Constantinople as well as the monk theological/scientifical brotherhoods of Kiev, Lvov, Vilnius and Ostrog. The Kievan one raised up to the academy rank for example. Plus, we DO have deep theology. The most prominent traditional ones are St Gregory Palamas, St John Chysostome, St John of Damascus and many others. Even nowadays we have some respected and famous theologians such as Christos Yiannaras, Amphilochius (Radovic), Alexandr Men'. Check them out. As for iconography an orthodox would say: iconography is theology in colours. As an example I can recommmend you to read about The Holy Trinity icon by St Andrew Roublev. Have a nice day!)
My friend this guy belongs to the Calvinist tradition. His understanding of God is a bit flawed and therefore he misunderstands orthodoxy and the christian faith.
Catholic here -- I fully agree that the Orthodox Church was given great disservice here. I don't think that the few substantial differences between us (the papacy, the Filioque, and the Immaculate Conception seen as "negative" by the Orthodox; nationalism, separation [e.g. the Moscow-Constantinople schism], and non-ecumenism seen as "negative" by the Catholics; and then our differing vantage points of theology) warrant an entire "tier" downgrade. Then again, this is a Reformed speaker who doesn't appear to recognize that we (Catholic and Orthodox) are the same group that created the Nicene Creed, the same Church that all of the Church Fathers were from, and the same Church that Christ instituted to spread His Gospel Message (though we are now separated).
@@PianoForte9096 Let us all pray that one day our churches, Roman Catholic and Orthodox, find some meaningful way to reconcile our differences. While all men are brothers in a sense, the bond between Catholics and Orthodox is especially strong.
As a Pentecostal I'm REALLY surprised you haven't mentioned much about the heresy that hijacks the Pentecostal churches. Word of Faith/New Age Theology is rampant in Pentecostal churches.
I think he might be referring to the mainline churches breaking away from the original theology of the denominations. The pentacostals got hit hard a few years ago, presbys too. The methodists just split in half, and the southern baptists just had a very public debate.
Yeah! I also felt that, specially putting Baptists below Catholics, that whore from Rev. 17, but since he put Presbiterians first, and Catholics after the ones more agreeable with Calvinism heresy, since Protestants and reformed people came from Catholics, still holding some of their practices, that's the way to go for their tradition hupla of course. No wonder some reformed people are going to Catholics again! But us Baptists have a true tradition Based on the Bible, our heritage came from Anabaptists persecuted by both Catholics, and reformed people, we are the ones independent from the government and our begginings is before the reformation.
This was very interesting, really learned a lot 😀 I'm in Scotland and Presbyterian, however really great to hear your view and perspective on other Christian denominations. Thanks mate 👍
I converted to Catholicism a couple of years ago after being an atheist in my childhood and growing up in an atheist family. You seem to have a fair view and pretty good understanding of all the denominations from a protestant viewpoint, and it's fun to hear about how you compare them! Thank you for making these videos, it's so nice to see Christian content from other young people. 😊♥✝
Just listen to bishop barron sermon. Don't listen to any other preacher who doesn't get u closer to God. You can tell if the holy spirit is present if it is deep and made impact on you.
I'm Catholic, and you were well polite about my church, Presbyterians are the Protestants I empathize with the most, along with Methodists (I was a Presbyterian before becoming Catholic, and my mother is a Methodist). Paz de Cristo e Viva Cristo Rei ✝☦
Similar here. I was baptized methodist, my wife, and both my parents families. Her family comes from Baptist background and this year I was converted catholic.
He actually didn't. He's describing the codified doctrine of the Baptist denomination. Maybe you just don't believe it, but he was very true to the Baptist professions of faith. (I went to Baylor.)
Really, what's kind of funny to me as a Baptist, is that the things he says about some of the Baptist cult followings if certain Pastor's is something I've heard many of my fellow Baptists decry. I will say though that Baptists are necessarily anti-tradition. We are anti-tradition that isn't supported by scripture.
As an ex-Mormon, I was a member from birth until 29, when I finally understood the theology of the Bible I was appalled by the belief systems of the LDS church. I'm ashamed to say it took me so long to realize. I still haven't settled on a definitive denomination yet, but I'm glad to be on the path to true Christianity.
Dont beat yourself up freind, Christ was beaten for you, and the important part is that you know the truth -now- (that Jesus is the Messiah). God said, I will redeem the years the locust has eaten and the theif has stolen.
I am in the exact same boat and have recently come to believe that the Orthodox Church is the answer. Definitely worth your time to attend one and judge for yourself.
Because of your videos I started to go to church again. Today was the first time in years. Went to a very rural Presbyterian church. So small of church they have rotating pastors, seems very conservative, I was by far the youngest person attending the service at 24. They had a screen to read off of for psalms. Overall very good vibes. They gave me a Bible cause I had a hard time understanding the kings James version. Only thing off about the church was inside there wasn’t any Presbyterian cross. Just normal crosses with some engravings. Other than that it was good. Thank you zoomer for making me more comfortable into returning to Christ
That's amazing, praise God! I pray that God keeps you in that church and makes it a blessing to you, as well as makes you to be a blessing to everyone there! God bless
I think it would be cool if you started a series of comprehensive videos that show the true extent of why heretical groups like LDS, Christian Science, JW, and “progressive churches” aren’t Christian and how they cause great harm to our faith.
That would be nice, especially the "why I'm not Jewish" one. Muslim arguments are very weak in general but Jewish ones are actually good Like muslims unironically deny that the crucifixition happened lmao
@@Testimony_Of_JTF They also say Mohammed split the moon in half, even though _no one_ in the entire rest of the world at any point in any time has said anything even close to that. I haven't even seen someone try to defend it honestly, so maybe they just say it's a metaphor.
Theology aside, being Jewish is something you're usually born into, and converts are usually told "why would you want to be part of us when you have your own traditions as a gentile"? In other words, converting to Judaism is like converting to the pre-Christian religion of a Native American Tribe: It wasn't meant for you unless you have family ties to it. On the Muslim thing, there are probably many many reasons explained in the Bible and history for not converting.
@@adamandsethdylantoo They don't even think you will go to hell if you're not Jewish and follow all of the Law. The Covenant was with Israel, not anyone else. Just following the 7 laws of Noah is enough for some
Im a Baptist and i'm not offended in the least about what you are saying about us. I love your channel and what you are doing. After finding you and watching several of your videos, i had a talk with my kids about the different denominations and how i will not be upset in the least if they chose a different church. Its not really anything i considered before but i realize the importance. Your videos are now apart of our home bible studies. As long as my kids are true Christian and believe the fundamentals, they can decide which secondary issues are most important from what they learn and pray about. I love the church we attend and it's hard to classify us as Baptists honestly, it not anything like you discribed. However, its not the only Baptist church I've been to, so i understand completely where the generalizations come from. This is why i like this new church we are at. it's much less personal and more about the church, the people. Sacrements are important and mean something more, thats different than what i grew up learning about. Keep it up, you are doing great!
I’ve been to a few Baptist churches. My home church is baptist and I don’t think most of what he said was accurate. I understand that Baptist do not have as much of an emphasis on church tradition however this is because our belief system. What I disagree with is that he says Baptist have a “me and my Bible” mentality. Most baptists, however, clump to like minded friends to fill up there spiritual cup. Baptists are just more focused on going and making disciples. That’s why the life in the church seems empty compared to others. We are to serve out of the church.
@rormxrsh3028 thanks for explaining that. I'm so new to faith in God and couldn't quite place it why it bothered me, the me and my bible thing. All the Baptist pastors I follow and listen to, as well as my church, is very disciple centered and there is a strong community and missional atmosphere as well. I personally love it. Plus, I'm a little sore I felt like homie called us slow 😂
@@rormxrsh3028 Yeah this! That and apparently making from scratch and rejecting heritage? Please do correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not 100% certain here but from what I've seen, this is what I think we Baptists believe is that things went down like this: a) Pentecost happens, disciples spread the word and build the church b) The people who beleived in Jesus at the time, known as the church fathers, share what God has taught through the Holy Spirit and every experience and guidance is written down. c) Over the generations, these teachings are pased down through loyal servants of God. d) A corruption happens somewhere in the later generations, the corrupted being X and the remaining uncorrupted being Y e) This remaining uncorrupted sect of Christians who keep what the early Christians have taught is who are now known as the Baptists.
With Orthodoxy he just took a surface level look and understanding. For example he did not explain that the filouque was not in the original nicene creed. It was later inserted by the latin, without approval from the whole church.
Yeah. He has zero idea of what he is saying. Having Methodist above Orthodoxy just tells you whats up. This is what happens when History and Basic Theology is removed.
@@aquilla2.087Yes but it was added because it is theologically sound and reflects the Christian belief. The filioque is not based on anything; it was invented by the Pope. There’s no biblical argument for it
Sure, denominations are important, but if one is in a country where Christians are persecuted, you will see that what matters is the advancement of the kingdom of God, which is what you said. But in many countries we don't have the "luxury" to do these rituals and traditions, neither to build churches with awesome architecture. We just gather here and there, because we are persecuted, similar to the churches described in Paul's letters. That's why I may be considered non-denominational, but that doesn't mean we are disorganized and unfocused in God's kingdom. There are two things that unite us to advance God's kingdom: TRUTH and LOVE of God. But great video as always :D
Im a catholic and it was so refreshing to hear such a fair take on catholicism. I disagree with your conclusions and I have seen early church fathers defend the papacy (maybe not in those terms but giving the church of Rome primacy), but i just want to give props for the respectable approach.
U just admitted that the papacy is made up. Bc as an Orthodox christians we believe in the primacy of the pope but not in later vatican innovations such as supremacy and infallibility!!
@@1969cmp I think I was fairly clear that maybe they would not use the term "Pope" per see, just as the early church didn't use the specific term trinity, but that the church of Rome was acknowledged as having a special primacy. I encourage you to follow the link below to read what many of the fathers have to say. You picked Irenaeus and Polycarp which is fairly random. Assuming you are correct about that, which you are not, {“But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).) -Iranaeus} that would not mean that no one believed in this primacy. It seems to me that the early church used the episcopacy in Rome to determine who was in and who was out of the faith so to speak. It was the central backbone, the rock if you will. Not to mention that being christian was dangerous so it is likely that they would obscure to some degree who was the bishop in each place to outsiders. So when you say the early church "had no Popes" that is fairly revisionist and its just bad historical understanding quite frankly. www.churchfathers.org
Wanted to thank you for helping me learn about Christianity and theology. Today I went to my first Catholic mass and absolutely loved it. In the end I ended up agreeing with their theology the most and it’s also the only church close to me that actually teaches the Bible. B tier for the win.
Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph #813 The Church is one because of her source: "the highest exemplar and source of this mystery is the unity, in the Trinity of Persons, of one God, the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit." 259 The Church is one because of her founder: for "the Word made flesh, the prince of peace, reconciled all men to God by the cross, . . . restoring the unity of all in one people and one body." 260 The Church is one because of her "soul": "It is the Holy Spirit, dwelling in those who believe and pervading and ruling over the entire Church, who brings about that wonderful communion of the faithful and joins them together so intimately in Christ that he is the principle of the Church's unity." Unity is of the essence of the Church
Really glad to hear about your experience with the Catholic Mass. If you haven’t yet, I suggest you check out Trent Horn (Counsel of Trent) and Bishop Robert Barron (Word on Fire Ministries). They’re both excellent Catholic creators who have helped my husband (an RCIA candidate set to be received into the Church this coming Easter) and me (a cradle Catholic) to better understand the faith. Peace be with you!
@@MarianMetanoia Thank you! I’ll check them out, so far the ones I like the most are Pints with Aquinas (I like his long form videos) and Breaking in the Habit. I’ve heard of Council of Trent but haven’t watched his videos yet. I’m very interested in theology so I really appreciate your recommendations to some good Catholic TH-camrs. Peace be with you!
@@Koyomix86 Cradle Catholic here and would like to welcome you home. Some other great resources are Catholic answers here on you tube. Jimmy Akin, Scott Hahn, Dr Brant Pitre, Father Mike Schmitz, Father Mark Goring,Father Donald Calloway are just a few of the wonderful people of God to lead you to The Church founded by Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour. May God Bless you on your journey and never ending quest to follow Jesus. Also the joy you will experience receiving Jesus Christ truly present in the Holy Eucharist is beyond anything you can imagine. Viva Cristo Rey 🙏✝️
as a southern baptist i completely understand your critiques of the church. i recently have gotten serious about my faith and have repented from sin that has been in my life for a long time. im pretty sure God lead me to your Channel in just the right time to help me understand more about the faith, as i do not understand well just reading but by listening. I appreciate you. God bless
@@Nitsua2828what are these places… it might be different in some places. In some places the church seems to be a wooden hut because no one has the funds to build actual architecture.
for real, im not even orthodox and my eyes rolled back so far at how...i dont wanna say WRONG but super duper reductionist, and incomplete his explanation was.
I can appreciate the Orthodox Churches as a Catholic. The Churches are beautiful, the liturgies are varied, and a lot of Orthodox believers in my experience are very passionate.
@@forresthenry9535 of course you can appreciate it, catholic is the same coin from different side... they have the same history and traditions until the shcism, the prostestan history only started after the reformation...
I was just confirmed catholic. I was baptized methodist, then was a presby calvinist for 10 years. I never would've expexted i'd end up catholic but when god takes your hand and says lets go for a walk, you follow. You dont pull away... i have to say after a year and RCIA classes and daily study. Im extremely confident that catholic is S tier.
I'm trying to find time to begin my confirmation process for catholicism. I was baptized at birth in a Presbyterian church and went atheist for 7 years, then went nondenominational for 1 year until I finally found my place in catholicism.
@stephenlee3406 amen! I made the mistake of waiting for an announcement at mass about RCIA. It never came and I started months late but I'm a studious person. I'd call the diocese and ask about RCIA at that parish if you can't find answers after mass.
@channellift2775 The first point to fall for me was irresistible grace. Christ laments over the lost at Jerusalem, he said how I wouldve gathered you like a hen gathers her chick's but you would not. To me, I don't see how irresistible grace can work and that passage be true. Christ would've wanted to save them but he refused to do so? If unconditional election is true than there's nothing the good people did to deserve his grace and nothing the bad people did to deserve his wrath. If total depravity is true then we are created dead in sin and incapable of doing good things on our own. Final analogy to show how disturbing their theology is if you think it through. I have two kids, imagine I elect one to be successful and the other I want to go to prison to teach the kid I like a lesson. For the one child to be successful, I would have to teach her right from wrong, business sense, string values, id hold her hand and show her the right way. If I wanted the other kid to go to prison, I'd do the opposite. Withhold grace, punish wantonly, neglect them, and withhold love and discipline from him. Now if the one kid went to college and got a great career and the other went to prison forever what kind of parent would you say that I am? A good parent for destroying my sons life and any future he might have for the sake of my daughter? No but that's how calvinists think... that it's ok for God to withhold his love and grace to punish the non elect so he can show his elect how much he loves them over the other lovers. If that were true jesus wouldn't have lamented over Jerusalem, he would've laughed maniacally like some super villain. Calvinists are LOCO I can't believe it took me 10 years to see it. No calvinist thinks about that stuff they just repeat God is sovereign and it makes any evil go away in their mind. It's a powerful brainwashing tool
I never thought as an ex-Christian atheist who especially has issues with Reformed theology that I would love this channel. But you're very engaging, fair, honest, and do a great job explicitly stating your priorities as a Christian (i.e. Jesus as physically resurrected savior). I can really respect that and I'm subscribing!
@@EzraCansler I think a lot of open minded atheists/agnostics find coercion by fear a pretty weak method of convincement. In my eyes, if God can appear before Satanists & murderers & such and convert them during their lifetime, I'll wait for him to get around to me and provide me with such an experience.
I'm Ethiopian Orthodox tewahdo follower and at 35:36 when you talk about oriental, you depicted Ethiopian Orthodox deacon and feels great. Many people don't know about Oriental or Ethiopian Orthodox church theology and I am highly encourage you to read and dig deep about the religion. We have a lot to give and can help you to expand your knowledge and look for truth.
I’m a (Trinitarian) Pentecostal and what you said about us is unfortunately spot on! I wish more Pentecostals would actually read the clear instructions on how to properly use spiritual gifts! “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.” 1 Corinthians 14:37-40 KJV Side note: I too prefer the more traditional hymns over the contemporary stuff.
Don't leave what is a sound Christian community for Larps. Pentecostals get alot of things right. They have true community, fellowship. They just have to respect the communion more.
@@juandoming6688true on the communion part because I am in a Pentecostal church and we rarely do communion. It’s mostly one in a while but always on Christmas and Easter
Yeah if the lord has it on your heart to interpret then you need to do so and I think if someone did speak in tongues loudly during preaching then that would be disorderly ✝️❤️god bless
Excellent summary. As a Lutheran, I've never hear any in my congregation say anythint disparaging about Presbyterians. We're critical of Calvinism, but we highly respect fellow confessional Reformation churches. Thank for your work on this channel. A great source of church knowledge.
I've been atheist and skeptic my whole life until I attended an independent Baptist church. I said to myself, this is the right church for me as they really helped my understand everything and also they are faithful to the bible. There is a reason why i avoided certain churches such as the Catholic church as they have practices that contradicts what God commanded not to mention they have already compromised, i apologize but i don't mean to attack anyone i'm just saying.
As an Orthodox teen it drives me crazy how many misguided, naive, and arrogant Orthodox Christians there are online. I've been Orthodox since I was 5, and having grown up in an OCA parish I've always been taught to be empathetic and loving, and that most people who aren't Orthodox either haven't been expoesed to it, OR have been exposed to a warped version and completely turned off. It breaks my heart when I hear people talk badly about our faith (not that you were unkind in any way, it was just clear you have probably had some unpleasant online experiences with "Orthodox" people, who likely don't actually know what we believe). I'm of course still growing in my faith, but talking to almost any priest answers a lot of questions. If you happen to become curious, I would highly recommend Ancient Faith Ministries. Blogs, podcasts, and books all containing quality information about the truth and beliefs of the Orthodox faith.
That's just a problem within new converts of any religion (more notoriously, atheists), specially with how being a religious traditionalist is the new counter culture amongst the youth.
Thanks for posting this comment. I've come around to Christianity after spending a few years extensively reading various philosophers and theologians, and I'm hoping to become part of the Orthodox church. There are some Orthodox people online who are hands-down the nicest people I've ever met, but I will admit I was somewhat put off in the earlier days by the kinds of people you describe. It was primarily a sort of "you MUST believe this or else!" attitude, or a "if you don't agree with me then you're not Orthodox". To be fair there are people like that in every group, but I can just ignore them more easily!
@Skin_Man absolutely! If you are moving towards the Orthodox faith, first off welcome and congratulations! Second, if you haven't already found a parish, do! The sooner you're relying less on online interaction, the better. I'm not qualified to judge the characteristics of each jurisdiction, but I'm in an OCA parish and everyone I've met in our deanery are the loveliest, welcoming, and warm people and my best friends. The harsh, judgemental "Orthodox Christians" are NOT a representation of the Church as a whole, and that's one of the many flaws in social media-bringing out the worst in people who think their anonymity gives them permission to say outrageous and hurtful things.
@@miyannapittman5580 Thank you for the kind words! I'm in rural New Zealand at the moment, so my options are somewhat limited, but I'll be moving to the UK in the future and I'm hoping to find more of a community there. My biggest problem is that, in everything I do, I tend to isolate myself and go off and "do my own thing". I can appreciate the value of community, it's just something I'm not familiar with.
As a recent convert to Orthodoxy (Antiochian), this comment resonates with me quite a bit. I am 27, so not old, but I listen to many of the younger converts who in their zeal for the faith completely shoot themselves in the foot with how they approach non-Orthodox Christians. Do not get me wrong, I think the differences of Orthodoxy from other Christian traditions are very important. But instead of making a bludgeon to beat other Christians, we should be using it as a starting point for a dialogue on why those differences are important.
As someone who was raised in the Pentecostal church up in Canada (albeit predominately rural Canada) , I feel a radical disconnect between what I hear about Pentecostalism from American youtubers and what I experienced growing up.
Depending on which organization you were with and how much it was influenced by the Latter Rain/Charismatic movement, you might have had a more traditional Pentecostal upbringing. I would need to know more about your church's history to begin to guess.
As a fellow Canadian, (Canadian Baptist) I feel like Canadian Protestant denominations just tend to be less extreme. It’s too cold to be crazy here lol.
A point of clarification about Catholicism and the teaching on salvation. The Catholic Church does not believe that we humans can save ourselves or that a human can save another person. Only God gives us salvation. He judges us by our faith and by what we do (works). Both of those are stressed in the Bible. So, we help each other, and priests serve as ordained ministers of the sacraments, but ultimately, people are God's instruments, and it is only his saving grace that grants eternal life. Peace and blessings to you all.
Lutheran sees Lutheranism only in A tier: What!? Lutheran sees Catholicism in B tier: Oh, okay. We're good. But joking aside, this was an edutaining video.
I'm Lutheran and what he said about appealing to mystery may be true, but I see this as a strength, because some if the doctorine that comes from say calvanists and even catholics, comes from them going to logical conclusions based on human reason and wisdom even if scripture doesnt confirm it or even speaks against it. Lutherans on the other hand dont go farther in doctorine then where svmcripture ends, we say amen and are content with leaving room for mystery where I believe there should be. I think 1 corinthians actually warns against the things calvsnists do when they try to figure everything out just for the sake for having an explanation for everything. We shouldn't expect to have an explanation for everything, but when god tells us something through the bible, we should say amen. Deuteronmy speaks about this too.
I have to thank you for your videos. While not of the same denomination (I’m Roman Catholic), you have helped inspired me (along with many others) to take my faith more seriously.
I'm a non-denominational and I agree with most of what you said, especially when you said our theology is very similar to Baptist theology. I'm one of those people who just prefers not to put a denominational label on it. When people ask me what I believe I simply tell them I'm a Christian.
I grew up going to small traditional Lutheran churches and I always had the hardest time paying attention to the messages my pastors would give. I would feel guilty that I couldn’t stop myself from day dreaming during the services. Going to a non denomination in my late 20’s got me to actually study the Bible, I was able to be mentally present the whole message, and seek God daily. Im happy that other denominations work for other people, I’m just happy with what works for me and my faith in God.
@@terriblemonstersart8144 I kinda have a similar story. I grew up Roman Catholic though. At least in the church I went to, Roman Catholics don't spend a lot of time exegeting scripture. We had liturgy and would read from the Bible, and when the priests would give their homilies they would always make loose connections. I stopped going from the time I was 18 but just last year I felt a calling and found my current church. My hunger for God's word has never been greater, and my fire for the Lord has never burned brighter.
I think what gives non-denom a bad rep is how many people completely misunderstand what it is. So often people call themselves ND when they clearly are not against denominationalism, they just disagree with the available denominations. Non Denom isn't when you're undecided on your denomination. it isn't when you have a denomination but don't want to name it. Non Denom is to Denominations what Protestants are to catholics. Non-denom is when you're fundamentally opposed to the idea of building walls between you and other followers of Jesus. It's when you believe having seperate denominations is wrong. Non-denom is saying "We don't have to agree on everything to be unified, so long as we're genuine followers of Jesus". As a non-denominationalist, I don't believe we should be seperating into groups and just talking with people who believe the same as us. I think we should collapse all the walls, and discuss things with one another as equal heirs to Jesus' kingdom. If we disagree, then we can discuss it and/or agree to disagree, while still being united in the overall body that is Jesus' followers. I only believe in 2 human denominations: Followers of Christ, and not followers of Christ. So long as you agree with me on who Jesus is and agree to follow him, then I consider you part of the church, even if we believe very differently when it comes to smaller matters. Denominationalism is basically saying "if you disagree with us on predestination, then we must seperate" or "If you disagree with us on what kind of music to sing in church, we must seperate". Non-Denom is saying "That's stupid, we should all consider ourselves part of the same body if we agree on Jesus, that's what He clearly wants".
I go to and serve at a non-denominational church that is essentially what I would call "Bapti-costal". My Pastor was born and raised in a Pentecostal Holiness Church (his dad was a Pastor), and I once asked him about the reason why speaking in Tongues was so common in the Pentecostal Church, and his explanation was that it's expected. In the same way we expect a worship session, and a sermon, the Pentecostals expect someone to break out in Tongues. Now there are a few things to consider. One, they didn't treat it lightly, and stood by the guidance given by Paul in terms of Spiritual Gifts. If someone was not interpreting what was being said in Tongues, they would shut it down. Another thing to remember is that while it may not be divine, it *is* real. Their passion is genuine, and they honestly believe that the random gibberish they are saying as it comes to mind is from God. He also mentioned that behind closed doors, he knew of people in other denominations that have had an experience speaking in Tongues, one of which being an Anglican. One event involved a missions trip in Moldova in which the Romanian interpreter was indisposed for the day (he was sick). The missionary still gave his message, albeit in English, and Moldovans *understood* what he was saying. They reacted to parts of the sermon as if though they understood, because they did, despite not knowing English. So many people have this idea in their heads that "Speaking in Tongues" is just spouting off gobbledy nonsense. Its actually the Gift of the Spirit to speak in languages unknown to you, or understand them, as the case was here.
I was an atheist for 7 years until i became a Christian earlier this year. Im non denominational for now as i dont know much about the different denominations, but ive heard a lot of good stuff about Presbyterianism and probably should look into it more. God bless!
30:28 the filioque isn't as much of a doctrinal issue, more so an issue of authority. The Papacy arbitrarily added this word to the original of the Nicene Creed, and tried to impose it on all the other patriarchates. This would affirm that Rome had the political authority and domination over all the Eastern Patriarchates. If anyone is at fault for this, it is the Roman Patriarchate, ie the papacy, that put the integrity of our communion at peril, simply for the sake of exerting control over us. Especially the doctrine that the Pope is "never wrong", this can't work.
I tend to agree. I'm Catholic and I believe the filioque is true and correct and that the Pope did have authority to do it, but it wasn't done in order to clarify doctrine, just for the Pope at the time to flex his authority.
@@thewiseofearth The papacy is legitimate because Jesus created it. Where did He teach that everything a Christian needs to believe is found explicitly in the Bible?
I was raised in a Pentecostal church and I believe that everyone’s experience is based on the the actual church. Many churches were different from what I believed. Some churches really encouraged speaking in tongues while others were only based on your own experience with God. I respect your opinion nonetheless. Great video! God bless you.
Pentecostals are the only churches that have real fellowship. All the other churches have disconnected communities and are weekend Warrior types. The pentecostals need to introduce communion tho.
@@juandoming6688I would kinda agree with you in that Pentacostals have a much greater emphasis on fellowship, however my church, which is Pentacostal, partakes in communion every month.
Grew up pentacostal, we didnt really focus too much on theology we were all about the spiritual gifts we had bible study, choir etc. But i did go to a oneness church, and everyone was speaking in tongues at the Same time. I had a migraine due to the chaos, but thankfully the holy spirit helped me rebuke the gathering. My friends wife said it wasn't as Chaotic as usual 😅 I was like "the bible says no more then 3 should speak in tongues... and only if their's interpretation."
Sorry for you got a not-so-good version of Christianity. Faith is a journey and sometimes struggling. I hope you’ll rediscover it one day. Peace be with you.
Alternate title: Comparing every Christian denomination to Presbyterianism Edit: I know he’s a Presbyterian. I know he says it’s going to be a bias video. I just thought my alternate title would also be fitting for the video.
@@lauson1ex literally 10 seconds into the video he says that this is basically going to be a video comparing how similar they are to his church. That's about as upfront as you can get.
@@jacobh2147... Biblically , Salvation is NOT based on faith + works ...but WORKs are the fruits of faith...They are NOT one of the "tools" required to get to heaven as what the roman catholic succession teaches...in contrast to what God teaches in His Word...even in the book of James when read in context... 🤔
@@jacobh2147 That faith which isn't backed by works is not genuine faith. James even quotes the same Scripture as Paul does in Romans 4. James 2:23 "And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God." Abraham had faith and righteousness before he offered up Isaac, but his works made manifest and verified his faith. James 2 is about the hypocrisy of the false convert and how true faith works in the Christian, as was also described in Hebrews 11 talking about the faith of Old Testament saints. The context makes this very clear if you read on from James 1 talking about being doers of the word, that vain hearers deceive themselves, yet saying that it's the engrafted word which when received saves the soul. It's very clear especially in Galatians 5 and in Romans 4, that if you work for salvation your reward is not of grace but of debt, and that Christ is of no effect to you if you seek to be justified by the law.
@@anon5075 you are mot justified by the law neother by your works it is faoth but that faith must be kept alive by works, that we do not earn salvation for no one deserves it but we prove and maintain our faith ny exercising Gods will, not all those who call unto him Father, Father will be recognized, also we have to acknowledge Jesus before all so he does the same in front of the Angels, another example of keeping faith through works
You know what would be an awesome idea for your next video? A vid explaining about all the different types of heresies in Christendom, including old heresies (Gnosticism, Marcionism, Docetism, etc...), Trinitarian heresies (modalism, tritheism, partialism, etc...), Christological heresies (Nestorianism, Apollinarianism, etc...) and other newer heresies like prosperity gospel and theological liberalism.
The Catholic Church is not a "denomination", it is The One Church founded by Christ. We do not call ourselves "Roman Catholic"; said term was applied when Henry VIII, having broken from the Catholic Church after being excommunicated for bigamy, applied themselves the title of English Catholic in order to retain a certain level of importance as a "quasi Catholic" Communnion. The Catholic Church did not recognize such intent. Protestant churches and sects spawned from Martin Luther's organization, hardly keeping any sense of communion with each other. God bless.
Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox here: I am a solid fan of your videos, but I think you lack a lot of knowledge when it comes to Eastern Orthodoxy and the culture of Eastern Europe, which is understandable. Yeah the filioque is a big deal, and the Eastern Orthodox saw this as a heretical decision from the Catholic church, so they are the ones who started it. Its a drift away from the traditions after all. When it comes to ''over the top churches'' and icons, they are not ment to overshadow God nor the faith, rather to reflect and depict the true power and beauty of Christianity. We do not pray to the actual material of the icons. Its just a gateway/window to God Yeah, EO is the oldest established church, so we can be a bit haughty sometimes lol. Otherwise, I do not think we have any serious problems with Catholicism, althought the same way you view ''JW'' from a Protestant perspective........The Orthodox Church also sees the Protestant (with all of its denominations) as kinda heretical, due to the fact that you have simplified a lot and drifted from the traditions, but I understand this, unlike the Ecumenical patriarchate, because of CULTURE AND HISTORY! I justify why Protestant denominations are so related to academia, but this comes back from the Renaissance and the whole corruption regarding the Catholic Church, the need for improvement, which came from Luther's thesis. That's why in some aspects Orthodoxy is closer to Islam than Catholicism or Protestantism, because we are not a very secular religion, and throughout history the East of Europe was a dirty, feudal, place, which was under Russian or Ottoman control, so we did not have so much access (none) to colonization, science and after that to any technological or industrial revolutions. Although, the main conflict here is still between Islam and Christianity because of history (Albania vs Serbia, Bosnia's Federation vs Rep. Srpska, Turkey vs Greece/Bulgaria) Which brings me to the connection with nationalism and the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church played such a vital role in the Liberation of Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece, since it kept the national spirit, culture and language of the nations under Ottoman rule. It was the only institution that survived and cared for its people. It was the only source for education up until the 1800s through the ''church schools'' in BG
One thing, prots view JWs as far worse than the divide between EO and RC, EO might argue RO are within the faith but as practising heretics. Prots generally do not regard JW as within the faith since they are modern day Arians and as an EO I'm sure you appreciate why that would be a massive issue given what the early councils went through in the 4th century to fight back against Arianism which calls Christ just a perfect creature rather than a perfect creature in his human person but fully man and fully G'd in both persons.
the orthodox church at least the greek orthodox, did absolutely nothing for the nation of Greece, they literally destroyed and burned every philosophical and philological book because it was against the word of God, at least that's what the church claimed, they did not approve the greek revolution of 1821 and they excommunicated all the greek heroes of the revolution and everyone who was against the church or the ottomans ( because back then the greek orthodox church was close friends with the ottomans)
The same is true for the Oriental (Tewahedo) Orthodox Church for Ethiopia, which was a major unifying factor of the highland dwelling people of Ethiopia against surrounding Muslim sultanates, Ottaman Invasion, and even European colonization. The Tewahedo Orthodox church greatly contributed for Ethiopia to remain the only African nation to successfully resist being colonized.
@@svensvenforkedbeard170 I agree JW is a heretics cult. I do not think any true Christian or Chuch should take them as a serious Christian denomination, plus they have a very sketchy history and present
35:30 the Orthodox church isn't nationalistic in an aggressive way. But we believe that the nations of the world are all made equal and are an essential part of the world that should be celebrated. Afterall, the Byzantine scholars recognized the importance of national diversity, this is why they translated the Gospel in so many other languages to christianize other people, such as the Slavs or the Egyptians or the Arabs. Meanwhile the Catholics ONLY accepted the Latin Gospel, because they wanted to show unity. There's no point doing that
The resistance to vernacular translation had a lot to do with an overreaction to medieval heresies and the reformation, because many bishops would see it as a way to make it easier to insert their heretical ideas in the translations, but even with that there were still approved translations of the bible to the vernacular languages during that time, both partial or total. And for the liturgy, even though there was a big emphasis on the unity aspect, and of latin being one of the sacred languages, they would still give dispensations to some places to use their vernacular languages in the liturgy
@@diogomelo7897 That's an interesting perspective. Still, an important part of why most of the Slavs adopted Orthodox Christianity had to do with the Byzantines being far more tolerant of other nationalities and more ecumenical, when compared to the monolithic Latin establishment
@@georgios_5342 I agree that the Byzantines were more tolerant with other languages than the Latins, but at the same time, if certain events didn't happened, they could've become more open to it sooner.
Lutheran here! Loved the video. I understand what you were saying about the "one-way" appreciation, but we do appreciate you! I promise we love Presbyterians more than probably any other denomination!
isn't the basis of Calvinism the belief that "GOD already knows who will be saved and who wont be" and if so how does that make sense biblically speaking
One thing I'd like to add on the topic of confession: You are correct about confession as a cause for anxiety, but I have never had a better feeling than just after a good confession. Theology aside, to be able to confess out loud your sins to another is incredibly freeing and reinforces hope in the pursuit of Christ. Can we really say that pre-confession anxiety is meaningfully different from Adam and Eve first hiding from God?
There's nothing wrong with confession and most Protestant branches do strongly encourage confession. Many do general confession in service liturgy, and most pastors are available to take private confession for seriously plaguing sins and spiritual guidance (eg. killing someone, affairs, etc.). They are also bound by oath of spiritual confidentiality, as they are acting under Office of the Keys and are therefore acting as representatives of Christ, though of course many will encourage sinners to face the consequences of man to show contrition and repentance. The difference is that Confession is not a moral or spiritual *obligation* as salvation is assured through faith- confession is a means to protect and keep faith, not the other way around.
I will say, as someone who went to John Macarthur's college, I feel like the whole "cult" around John MacArthur is more in spite of his teaching. There will be times where people would be gushing about how great John Macarthur is right in front of him, and you can physically see how uncomfortable he is during it. So while I agree with your critique of the Baptist denomination, I would say it's more of a cultural thing than a leadership thing. Of course, the leader ship is responsible for the culture, etc. etc.
I live close to The Master's and want to take courses there some day. Pipe dream perhaps, as I don't see myself ever having that kind of money to throw at it. But while I am currently going through a MacArthur study bible and deeply appreciate the man's vast knowledge of Scripture referenced by Scripture (best way I know how to put it, sorry still very much an infant in Christ here), I occasionally take issue with something he says or how he says it. The study bible says in its beginning sections that if you're not a believer there is no reason for you to read the Bible and to put the book down essentially. WTH? I in actuality came to faith in large part BY reading The Gospels, then all of the NT, etc., though there were other factors. This after 40 years as an arrogant, even militant atheist fool. And Mac says go away nonbeliever? Especially don't like that as I have an extremely strong interest in apologetics.
Being something of a non-denominational/Baptist-lite myself, I actually appreciated your take on it. I appreciate that you shouted out individuals who are very serious about their faith but also pointed out that there’s a lot of issues with the denomination as a whole. Good take.
29:49 if the Orthodox Christian doctrine was different from the Catholic one, then the Catholic/Westerners would be the heretics, not the Orthodox Christians. This is because Eastern Orthodox Christianity has kept the word of God unchanged through the church tradition, while the Catholic church and the papacy have made changes and splintered off into tens of groups that all made their own deviations from the original. So, if someone is a heretic, it's the one who changed the original, not the one who preserved it. Remember, out of the 5 original Patriarchates (Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and Rome), only the Roman Patriarchate tried to subdue the others and impose the Papal supremacy and the filioque and the "sorry card" (indulgence), where they literally paid money to absolve themselves of sin. It would be ridiculous to call the Eastern Orthodox church heretical when it has retained the tradition all the way from Jesus Christ and the Apostles, the original Koine Greek bible, while at the same time all the Western churches have made so many changes.
Okay? The Trinity wasn't enshrined in doctrine until the councils, so would you agree that the Church before/during the councils wasn't legitimate? Doctrine developed over time when the Church was in union, you're trying to insinuate Orthodoxy was literally instantiated instantly in 33 AD and that's just not true.
@@xravenx24fe No, the Trinity was only crystalized/set in stone by the Councils, it already existed before them. This is evidenced by the Theophaneia, Jesus' Baptism by John the Baptist, where the Trinitarian God appeared in front of him and the other people that were there.
@@georgios_5342i totally agree with you. The western churches,especially the 12 quadrillion protestant denominations can't be considered as a part of the one true church. The protestants,because they lack apostolic succesion and church authority. How can you only trust the bible if the church made the bible? How can the bible have more power than the church?Also,the catholics are heretical because they have altered the Nicene Creed which states that the holy spirit only derives from the father,but in the mid-6th century the Catholic Church decided to add the filioque(and the son)to the creed. There's also stuff like papal infallability and the fact that you can pay to get saved. So,orthodoxy is the truth because the church's dogma hasn't changed,whilst all the other churches in the west have changed the dogma that they teach.
What is most interesting about this list, is how you've scored these denominations entireline according to your own true feelings, not according to any doctrine or dogma. I think that's very strong and honest. - And i also think it's logical that your own denomination is at the top; if it weren't, you should switch.
From the Nicene creed: "...I believe in one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church..." 43:00 you say to be a Christian you need to believe in the Nicene creed, so when are you converting to Catholicism?
Anglican here. You can't get content like this anywhere else. This is another excellent ecumenical video. Bias with the rankings, sure, but the info about each denomination is incredible.
Brazilian Pentecostal’s here. Thanks for an interesting analysis of denominations, it’s so nice to watch on Sunday. Glória pro Nosso Senhor Jesus. Deus abençoe todos os cristãos.🙏🏼 🙌🏼
I really appreciate that you talk about the different denominations from an academic/theological perspective rather than a political perspective, which seems to have become the norm on social media. Your videos are great to watch because not only are you extremely educated on the topic, but it’s evident you’re really passionate about it, too. Keep up the great work!
I find what you say about the baptists to be so interesting because as a person who was born into a baptist church and believes in believers baptism I have often wondered why there is less emphasis on the history of the church. I think that based on what I know it would be great for baptists to learn church history and find out where we come from. I have done some study of church history and it has done nothing but increase my faith and assurance that I do have good and orthodox theology. I think that the reason that as you say baptists have a long retention rate is that we do understand salvation as something that happens to an individual and thus we only baptize those in water who we see bear the fruit of a person who has been baptized in the spirit.
I was raised and continue to be Baptist (SBC in the 1990s, then CBF after the schism became permanent). I do recall there was a big to-do on the 400th anniversary of the founding of what would become the Baptists by Smyth and Helwys. But otherwise, we seem to mostly speak to our broad family tradition, and where we are and where we are going, rather than pointing to individual history. If and when history is mentioned, the major emphasis seems to be that of how certain historical events resulted in the formation of the Baptist heritage (at least here in the United States). Basically, as with the other English Dissenters, the Baptist tradition was less the result of purely intellectual disputes than it is the sum total of the experiences of the Reformation(s), the Counter-Reformation, the European Wars of the Religion, the English Revolutions of the 17th century, the downside of a mandatory Established Churches no matter how-Protestant, and in general bad things happening on all sides. Basically all to explain: why we don't force people to be a full member of the church, why we have congregational polity (grass-roots governance rather than top-down), why one of our main tenants is separation of church and state, etc., and the general individual emphasis on individual Soul Competency, rather than dogmatics. In order to spare strife and reduce persecution seen in the 16th-18th centuries, Baptists baked into the denominational theology our modern politically-liberal conception of "religious freedom" and democracy, before political religious freedom and liberal democracy was firmly in place in secular civil government. It is, I think, one reasons Baptists are so numerous and prominent in the USA: our theology is quite compatible with the foundational political philosophies of the country. That is also why so many Baptists have been highly skeptical of any theological tests being imposed between congregations of the various fellowships other than the basic Nicene &c. creeds and holding of the Baptist distinctives. Our tradition stripped Christianity down to what the founding generations of the denomination thought were the bare-minimums of Christianity, and then let it live out like a what today we think of as an open-source project, forking as needed. The downside of this is that, unless you go actively looking for it, many Baptists have lost elements of the greater Christian tradition, and we can have a very hard time getting things done, especially when we don't merely "agree to disagree".
“1 am not a Pastor, nor do I have a seminary degree. I am a regular gen Z (zoomer) who was raised in a very secular progressive culture.” -Redeemed Zoomer It shows
7:00 While I agree to a degree, the reason why modern protestant churches are so simple is partially to be able to build as quickly and efficiently wherever a building is needed and not have to spend years on a fancy building that looks pretty. The vast majority of non-denominational churches I've been to started as a bible study group or something like that from one church that expanded to the point where they needed to purchase a building to make their own meeting place, which, all things considered, is a VERY Biblical way for a church to start and is how all of the Early Churches started in some shape or form where the "church" wasn't necessarily a building but a community. It's very pragmatic, all things considered, but I think we are going to be seeing a reversal soon enough as many Protestants have been complaining about it for years. 46:10 I've never heard anyone from a non-denominational church say that churches need to be decentralized. Again, non-denominational churches usually form from a community that WANTS a church but can't go through all of the work to ask a normal denomination to step in do things for them. Most non-denominational churches are local grassroots churches where there was a necessity to make a church for one reason or another. A lot of larger church denominations do suffer from bureaucracy and not being able to work as effectively or quickly as they could, as I recall issues in the Methodist churches over this. The larger an institution, the more money is absorbed to do very simple tasks. Non-denominational churches excel at being able to start up quick and get to the point really fast. All of the fastest growing churches I've seen were non-denominational where I knew one that went from only a few dozen people to thousands within a decade because there wasn't any bureaucracy slowing them down to get things working as fast as possible (they were also biblically sound too). However, as mentioned, non-denominational churches suffer heavily from each congregation or church not being held to any sort of authority above them. I think Non-denominational churches are an example of being a risky gamble because they can be INCREDIBLY good at catering to the exact needs of a given community but also can suffer greatly in terms of theology.
I'm Presbyterian, but my best friend in college was Catholic. Our discussions are a big part of why I'm very ecumenical today. I've always used the Nicene Creed as a litmus test in that I've always said "if you can honestly say the Nicene Creed you are a Christian, if you can't then I have questions".
@@maro_Jesusisking my apologies, I somehow managed to get the councils of chalcedon and nicea mixed together in my head. There's a couple of councils and centuries in-between them. I knew that but had a massive moment of stupidity. I'm going to edit my post to remove the erroneous part of it. Thank you for your correction.
The biggest gripe I would have regarding the baptism aspect is that regardless of age there is a sense of "Kingdom theology" in both birth baptisms and non. Both are done at different ages (although most are done as infants there are many exceptions). While non birth baptisms occur likely at different ages ( potentially more spread out in terms of age). But the difference is that true understanding of what the baptism process means to the individual isn't a bad thing, nor is it individualistic. I personally was baptised with a very large group of individuals who all felt a sense of comradedry and support from our fellow brothers and sister in Christ throughout the process. ..I loved the video and your work nonetheless! Very thankful to have you give such a In depth content across the board!
Theologically Presbyterianism might be the most sound. However, in my area especially, Presbyterian churches are spiritually dead. Same goes for Lutheranism and double for Anglicans/Episcopalian and Methodists. Putting Baptists so low is bait. Putting them below Congregationalism is completely nonsensical. Don't measure denominations by what they say they believe, measure them by what they do and preach. To say John MacArthur isn't theologically reformed indicates that you have confused the terms "Reformed" and "Presbyterian." Historically Presbyterianism is one branch of the Reformed movement. You can easily be Reformed and not Presbyterian (and historically most "Reformed" theologians have not been Presbyterian). To say that Baptists specifically suffer from the issue of "celebrity pastors" shows that you have too narrow of a view of the Church. Pretty much every denomination that doesn't have a high church liturgy is going to suffer from this because the sermon becomes the cornerstone of the liturgy. Presbyterianism is not different. You want to point to John MacArthur, I'll point to Tim Keller. The Baptist theological movement absolutely DID NOT come out of the radical reformation. This is a misconception completely unsupported in church history which assumes that "Anabaptists" and "Baptists" are the same thing. They are not and in their early history Baptists completely rejected the label and theology of Anabaptism. The Baptists grew out of the English Separatist movement. They are cousins/brothers to the Puritains and the Congregationalist church who hold the same theology and history but maintain credo rather than pedobaptism.
Spiritually dead means not truely Christian, since no true Christian can be born again while remaining dead in their trespasses. Is that really what you intend to convey about all the denominations you listed? You might want to edit your comment.
Reformed Zoomer would generally agree with you that most PCUSA churches are dead, and he hopes to revive them. OFC, the NAPARC churches plant like crazy.
@@wesleydahar7797 Yes, 100%. Look at the current Episcopal Church, look at the PCUSA, look at what is happening to the United Methodist Church. These Churches are spiritually *dead.* There may be *a few* Christians left in their ranks but the Gospel is not to be found in those churches teachings. Those people are Christian in spite of their affiliation not because of it.
@@antimattercarp2720 I'm aware of that and sympathetic to his idea (even if I'm not sold on it). But ranking Presbyterianism S-Tier or Episcopalianism/Anglicanism A-Tier while ~75% of the churches that claim to follow those traditions are essentially heretical is disingenuous and demonstrates a disconnection from reality. The churches that spun off into heresy and liberalism are getting ranked as S-Tier and A-Tier while the denominations that have mostly resisted those things are rated lower. If that is what you are putting out there you should be worried that your priorities are in the wrong place.
Thank you for the fair description of Pentecostalism. Yes it’s true there are a lot of heresies like word of faith that tend to be Pentecostal. But there are very thoughtful biblically sound people within Pentecostalism like Mike Winger and Michael Brown.
I have to disagree respectfully,Quakers absolutely believe in the essential Christian doctrines, we absolutely have church structure, the only difference I've seen is that we have a time of silence and meditation after the sermon to contemplate Gods word and hear the Holy Spirit. Im not sure what Quaker meeting you went to.
34:00 this is wrong, I don't know where you found that, but in no way do Orthodox people reject theology 😳 We believe that everything has a reason and that God created this world for the humans to prosper in his image, with free will, striving to reach the humility and philanthropy of Jesus as much as we can. Just because Orthodox theology doesn't have the same themes as the Catholic one does, it doesn't mean that there is no theology. In fact theology is a Greek word, it started off as a thing in Orthodox Greece 😂 Also, the sciences were a big thing for the Orthodox World as well. You are forgetting the School of Magnavra, the first modern-style university in Europe and the World, which opened in Constantinople. People studied theology, linguistics, agriculture, maths, physics, law and all the other things that would explain and facilitate the spread of Christianity. That's how Christianity was spread North, to the Slavs. It's a superficial view to say that the Orthodox people don't do science, just because we were under Muslim rule for so many centuries. It was the fault of the Catholics afterall, they betrayed us and threw us into oblivion
@@buckarooben7635 Ahahaha good one. By the same logic we should have listened to the Muslims during the Ottoman Empire. If only strength is what made our faith, we wouldn't be Christians but Pagans still. God sends us challenges and we must remain strong in our faith. The Kingdom of God doesn't belong to the rich and strong, but to the poor and downtrodden. For God is justice, and he sees and knows everything. God bless 🙏
@@AW27007 pretty much, the basics at least. The Catholics changed some stuff up and all the other splinter denominations have been more "creative" in their interpretations. But the basis is the Unitary Church, the Orthodox one
I'm a Pentecostal and I had to laugh when I saw how low you put us. LOL. Everything you said makes sense when looking at it as a whole and from an outside perspective. But I'm also glad you admitted that individual Pentecostals can be great (and by extension I would like to add, an individual Pentecostal church can be great). I grew up in non-denominational churches. And I chose to become Pentecostal after much Biblical study, prayer, and research. It was actually the theology of the Pentecostal church that won me over and gave me so many answers and life solutions. A Pentecostal church can be heaven on earth if done right. Unfortunately this is a rare find. A note on the music: Pentecostal worship music has a different purpose than traditional hymnal music. If you try to use Pentecostal worship music like you would hymns, it won't work and you will be left feeling like the music is badly written and produces unhelpful worship. Hymns are meant to state theological truths as a reminder to the congregation and a thanksgiving to God. Pentecostal worship aims to usher in the presence of God so that the congregants can experience and meet God through the worship time. I seek to connect with God and be changed, and my affections to be centered all the more on Him. Most Pentecostal songs are very repetitive. I (and many others) don't always sing all the words because we're praying to God during worship (sometimes in tongues). During this time the altar is open for people to kneel and seek God. Since the two types of music are aiming to do different things, they are produced differently. I do think there is a difference between contemporary worship and actual Pentecostal worship music, because contemporary is just taking the style from the Pentecostals, but may not have the spiritual depth to actually be warranted to be used in worship. Good Pentecostal churches are actually really picky about what worship songs to use and don't just use whatever's popular on Christian radio. And I don't think it's a good thing for so many churches to have replaced their hymns with contemporary worship (at least the non-denominational ones I know have). Because they are treating contemporary worship as the same style as the hymns and that isn't their purpose. So they are just standing there singing watered down theology.
As a "somewhat" Methodist (I'm from an atheist family but i attended Methodist service before and very much considering conversion) I'm cool with being in the B tier. Also thanks for putting Jehovah Witnesses in the F tier.
Its rediculous that he put non-denominational in D teir. It lacks widespread structure, therefore less excitement and less feeling of being everpresent in life (grand churches, grand ceremonies, rituals, etc) but he admitted the non-denominationals were the "most compassionate about faith" and they don't allow intermediaries to become too strong. Its abeliever-Bible-Christ bound with pastors as teachers/helpers. But most pure channel of faith, no arts rituals etc unless mentioned in Bible
You opinion on baptising Children is clearly not scriptural and based on that you have positioned churches that baptise children as the better churches and that is absolutely shocking. I thought you would’ve used scripture as the standard not your opinion to rank the churches.
Its not found in scripture but Christians since at least the 3d century were practicing it. Its not a bad thing really. I got Baptised as a baby into Roman Catholism and the Baptised again at 12 into a Non-denom. (Baptist/Pentacostal mixed based church) then Baptised into a fully Pentacostal church at 18 then went back to a non-denom, I always just lumped all Protestants together as Christians.🤷🏻♂️ Anyway Jesus is King.
Anglican architecture is beautiful. Most if not all of the Anglican churches in my country look like if they combine a Small scale catholic cathedral with a medieval castle. Plus the stained glass depictions of the different events such as the birth, death, resurrection are truly amazing, COPE AND SEETHE ICONOCLASTS!!!
Being raised Catholic and having to take theology classes growing up, I feel like more emphasis was placed on purgatory than mortal sin. I have never heard anything about mortal sin aside from blasphemy of the holy spirit. From my understanding, those in Hell will be those who outright reject God and Christ, and those who reject what they've done is a sin. If you're aware that you've sinned, purgatory is where you stay to repent, but will eventually go to Heaven. Very few people will go directly to Heaven or Hell, purgatory is where most will be until we understand why our actions were wrong.
I am surprised that you put Baptist below Catholic and it seems like it has a lot to do with your criticism of celebrity pastors, which I am not a fan of either, but the Pope is the biggest "celebrity" in the world as far a head of a church. Also, I think there are things that come along with Catholicism that could be argued are anti-biblical. Both sides of my family are Catholic so I'm not a Catholic hater but I just think that between Baptists and Catholics the Baptists are more on the right track. Just my opinion. God bless you. I love your channel! I always learn something from your videos. 😊
If you have any questions, I would recommend going to Catholic Answers on any search engine. Also, I am open to any questions you have about Catholicism!! God bless brother 👊
Baptists below Catholics?? Because of celebrity preachers? You had mentioned you'd be biased but i had hoped you'd place more emphasis on theology/ doctrine than architecture, traditions or individual preachers.
My Church (Church of the Servant in Grand Rapids Michigan) intentionally chose, during its founding, not to spend a lot of its resources on the building, but attempted to create a beautiful space regardless. To my perspective, it looks amazing-we have stained glass and some light decoration-but feel free look up the church, I kinda wanna know what you all think of it
On God one of the most ugly buildings ever, what is that a shopping mall? and this is coming from a guy who's church literally meets at a bowling alley.
From the online resources I could find, it seems like CoS is leaning more and more into "Progressive Liberal" ideology, though it referred to the CRC Synod 2022 HSR and others, it appears that the Grand Rapids CoS does not strictly hold to such reports. What does your church teach, for example, considering human sexuality? Gender? Gender roles? (The hot button topics that show how someone views God's Word on these matters versus The Worldly perspective-driven interpretation)
Pentecostal worship leader here. I can say that I have never spoken in tongues, never really seen a huge manifestation of the holy spirit. Adhere heavily to the sacraments and true belief in the trinity. However there are a lot of other ones that really like to "test the spirit." The churches are really hit or miss. Of course that is unfortunately the situation that foregoing structure brings us to. The doctrine is pretty much what the elders and the preacher dictate in a lot of cases.
@@dichterdenker3111They’re most likely a Charismatic that goes to a Pentecostal church or a person who grew up in a Pentecostal church but developed less strict beliefs around “initial evidence.” Charismatic Christians who are found in many Evangelical and Protestant traditions are similar to Pentecostal; they believe that modern day miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit like healing, speaking in tongues, prophecy, discernment, etc. are still in operation today (a.k.a. Continuationism) but in very slight contrast to Pentecostals, emphasize that not everybody has these gifts and that the Holy Spirit will give these gifts to certain Christian in accordance with the will of God on an as-needed basis. Usually Continuationist/Charismatic Baptists and Mennonites, etc. would join a Pentecostal church if other churches around them are Cessationist.
@@leullakew9579 It really does not matter as most of the Pentecostal Churches that were not swept away in the Latter Rain of the 40s and early 50s were snared by its Charismatic heirs. This is why the Assemblies of God is spawning churches like Hillsong and Bethel. Most Trinitarian Pentecostal churches have become entirely charismatic and less than half their pastors have spoken in tongues, and the story is nearly as bad in the Church of God (Cleveland, TN) and its many daughters. I am not attempting to demean the creator of this thread, but he is a "never was" in a "used to be".
@@jayt9608 I pretty much grew up in a broadly Evangelical church setting, mostly in a Charismatic Baptist denomination that’s in full communion with Pentecostal, Charismatic Mennonite, and Charismatic Lutheran denomination but I’ve been going to Assemblies of God (Pentecostal) churches lately for English-language service because that the most similar I could find although not an official member. I believe I’ve probably met other Charismatics at Assemblies of God churches or sponsored ministries (college ministry, etc.); one I met was a Charismatic Methodist and he led discipleship/Bible studies.
As a Catholic, I was told that Calvinists believe God choses who he saves and who he punishes after death, and therefore that he doesn't love all humans, is it really true?
Hey I’m a 17 year old Catholic, and in the last couple of months I’ve been diving deeper into theology and the Bible. You’ve helped me learn a lot of things zoomer and for that I’m grateful, I pray that the Lord our God blesses you. I’ve been spreading the word of God to many friends and family I’ve even managed to help some, all this I’ve done by the power of the holy spirit. I’m asking all of you brothers and sisters to pray for me and my family, I’m trying to help change the secularism that has over taken my house hold. God willing I can change this, I know that the Lord will not abandon us. God bless you all🙏🏻.
Hey I’m 15 brother, and you are doing amazing. I would recommend “C.A.R.E” by GabiAfterHours. That video changed me for the better. Also, I would recommend a small challenge. Try to learn how to tie rosaries with barrel knots on twine. I’m going to fold a few during the weekend and my free time and hand them out at school. We may be teenagers but we can make huge changes in our schools and homes. If I can do it, you %100000000000 can do it. Let’s change the world through God. God Bless 👊 , and VIVA LA CRISTO REY 👑
Guys I think this guy is a Protestant
lol
😂
he told already
@@shooey-mcmosshe knows 😊 he was just making a joke my friend, I hope youre having a great day btw
@@joshua2400 thanks, wish you the same
Nobody asked, but I am orthodox
You know Someone's "Honest" critique is true when they put themselves first. LOL
Kyle is about to make a 40 minute reply to this tier list.
“What he is talking about ???orthodoxy is the TRUE church this is why ALL prostenants are dumb illogical morons “
would be his response summed up in a nutshell
Good
Good, Kyle doing the right thing
Kyle is goated.
@@-Anwarhis channel name is kyle
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
❤❤❤❤❤ Amen
Quotes out of context like that make you sound like a raving communist.... In context: the world is divided into categories but are under the same grace.... if we read other chapters of the bible aspects of law are not changed (as Jesus had said) but we are not judged by the law but by grace not that the law is done away with either for not one tot or titel was passed from the law until it be fulfilled. God also creates nations as categories, also how a man should behave and how a woman should behave, also that there are only two genders..... I hear a lot of misquotes like this coming from gays and trans people....
Beautiful ❤
Anen
@@defenderofTheWordanen? You probably mean Amen, or Amin (how the Orthodox say it, not to be confused with the Muslims Ameen) but never heard of anen...
As a catholic, I am so glad someone finally explained that the catholic church wasn't this barbaric tribe who burned women who could do math and people who disagreed with them, and actually tells that it actually contributed so much to science and theology. While also being very good to many people and was one of the main contributers to spreading the word of God. Thank you.
I can’t believe he didn’t put Catholic as A or S 😭
@@JessePinkman808I was expecting him to put Catholicism in B.
S is reserved for his own tradition and A would have been too full if he put Catholic there
@@lesinge8868 Then if his own traditional religion has to be the only S, then Catholicism should totally be an A tier because it was the church founded by Jesus Christ
@@JessePinkman808 he literally addresses this in the video and the problems catholicism has, which gives an appropriate B tier
@@rockik7844 I didn’t watch the whole thing. What “problems” does my church have.?
As a 14 girl who is still trying to figure out everything this video and all of your videos help explain a lot. Both of my parents aren’t Christian so there isn’t a way for me to go to Church. Its very sad and i’m looking for a way to go. But thank you for helping me understand all the different branches.
Thanks for your comment! Just keep praying and go to church when you can. Praying that God guides you!
We shall pray for you!
As a 13 year old I hope you find your way to Christianity and that your parents will eventually understand.
Praying for you. Seek God and He will provide for you! Jesus is the way, truth, and life!! I hope this encourages you to pray 🙏 May your life be changed forevermore
I know it sounds corny, but its true when they say that in heaven they celebrate when someone turns to the Lord. Your perseverance in a time like this will help you in a lifetime of following Jesus, I promise.
As a catholic and engineer, I’m surprised he didn’t talk about Roman Catholic architecture! Note Dame is what made me want to become an engineer!
That's a very beautiful reason to want to become an engineer. Glad to hear!
Can't get enough of them flying buttresses…
Some of the most fulfilling work I did in construction was that for the church, i miss it.
As a historian, I found my way into the Catholic faith from a Protestant tradition. As John Henry Newman famously said: "to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
@@islandblindI am catholic and that quote is sadly taken out of context. Newman wrote that in an essay critiquing a faction in the CofE that disregarded all church history and he wrote it while still an Anglo-Catholic, not in union with the Pope. What he means by Protestant is not the same as what we catholics in this age associate with the term. Still I would agree with your interpretation that history is clear that the Catholic Church is what it claims to be. Still recommend not using that quote as it is taken horribly out of context by Protestants and catholics alike. God bless you
Genuine question regarding the baptism criticism in the baptist section.
You said
"they think salvation needs to be a personal individual choice"
My mind jumped to Romans 10:9-10 which seems to indicate that salvation is a very personal choice. Obviously it can be influenced by others, but its ultimately up to the individual.
Where do you see in scripture that it is not a personal choice?
Also, You said
"baptism is about citizenship within the kingdom of God, and you become a citizen of your country at birth"
How could heavenly citizenship can't precede salvation when the choice for salvation hasn't been made yet/if at all?
Baptism the way it's taught to me, is that no one knows what you are thinking, so how can people in the church know you're saved, you may say it and everyone may very well believe that you are saved but by being Baptized we are telling the congregation that we believe Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose on the third day for our sins
Yes!!
I hope he replies to this comment. Because I too am Baptist. I believe in that personal relationship with God and in a lot of ways I think we and Lutherans can talk about alot (I like how Lutherans do it). The criticism of “idolizing preachers” I can understand and it is a problem, however that personal connection to God, is really what brings Baptist home for me. We are to point to Jesus, we are patient in the conversion of non believers. It’s all about nurturing and taking your time and maturing into the word of God
Presbyterians - Baptism = Salvation through Covenant + OSAS = Any sin a person wants to practice the rest of his life means the person is saved. That is why Presbyterian U.S.A. logically from their TULIP system believe in Gay Marriage, as the other Heretical "Christian" churches do in the same category. See ECLA "Full Communion."
so what happens when a baby or young child dies? they just go to hell?
As a catholic thank you for not calling us witch burners or papists. It’s such a breath of fresh air hearing different denominations being polite and fair to each other
LMAO papist
lmaooooo@@christisrisen83
but... we are papists
As Christian was an insult at first and we embraced it, lets do the same with papist.
Why do u guys think the pope has authority over the bible?@@manoflowmoralvalue1560
I’m a Greek Orthodox Christian living in America. I’ve been one since birth. Usually, I skip to the part where you talk about my religion because nobody talks about us. When you talked about our churches, and how beautiful you thought they where. But, a couple things I feel are a bit off. The Orthodox are extremely theologically conservative. We essentially untouched by “modern” ideals. That’s mostly because we don’t have many followers from America. Anyways, our churches (in my opinion) are the most beautiful of all the denominations. But the icons have way more meaning than you think. A picture is worth a thousand words. We’d dedicate part of our bible studies to icons in our church, by just pointing at them and explaining. Explaining takes a long time. Other than that, I hope you have a great day man. Love the vids. I also chuckled when you said we tend to be more nationalistic. It’s true, but I had something else in mind. Can’t tell if that was a joke or not.
Agreed, Protestants innovated everything. Many Protestants today would believe the disciples and Church fathers to be heretics since the reformers changed so much doctrine.
The Seventh Ecumenical Council expresses two sides to the doctrine of Iconography: Iconography as a didactic tool and iconography as a witness to the deification of the material. The first of these doctrines is heavily leaned into by Renaissance Catholicism and Iconophilic Protestantism. In this iteration of the argument, Icons are defended as useful educational tools that communicate in their beauty an essential spiritual truth. It is/was an argument that held particular sway in the medieval period when literacy was low. The second, however, has had a far greater impact in the Orthodox world. This argument explains that in the Incarnation, the divine Godhead for the first time deified the worldly, human and material. Christ, in his divinity taking on our humanity, raises our humanity to the level of the divine. Our humanity is raised to divinity through Theosis just as an iron in contact with a flame takes on the flame's heat without losing its material or shape. Icons are the ultimate witness to this process of theosis. The true icon is transformed in a eucharistic act of dedication to God from the mere matter of paint and wood into that same matter glowing with the glory of God. This is the substance of the beauty of an icon. This theological belief is also precisely how we understand the witness of the saints or even the divine beauty expressed in each person. This is the reason that in the Liturgy, the incense is applied both to the painted icons (Lesser icons as they are called) and to the people in the congregation (the Greater Icons as they are crafted by God and show the theology if Icon in our very bodies and form). It is this second argument which the Western World has significantly missed and, in many ways, through an understanding of the relationship between icon and glorification we grasp the inner theology of humanity's deification.
Orthodox Church is pre-denominational.
I'm Roman Catholic and I looove my Orthodox brothers and sisters! You indeed have a very beautiful tradition 😊🙏🏻
Been going on a dive into what goes into making icons. I knew it was a process, but it's more akin to a trade and a lifestyle than making just an illustration.
I'm Orthodox and i must say that nothing in an Orthodox church is there purely for beauty. In the historic Christian faith it has always been understood that church is a sacramental place that is set apart. Images in the church direct us toward the reality that what us depicted is the visoble reality beyond what we see. In Hebrews it says we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses, which is illustrated in the iconlography of the chirch.
The architecture also reflects our beliefs from the dome representing heaven above to the crucifix showing the reality of Christs sacrifice to the Resurrection and enthronement of Christ.
Its not there just for pretty. The Bible tells us to worship the Lord in beauty and holiness.
yeah also Orthodox churches line up closest to prechristian temples, and since we are basically carrying on the OT tradition in light of Christ's ministry, it doesn't make sense to reinvent that which doesn't need to be. A first century christian would feel most at-home in an Orthodox church, which is exactly the timelessness all of christianity should strive for.
Precisely! love this
The 1st Century Born Again New Creations were slack in removing themselves from the Temple traditions BUT they finally did till the Almighty had them destroyed, UNFORTUNATELY those hijacked the Temple trappings and other stuff to recreate their own idolatry @@jansi8478
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That is so interesting! As a Christian who appreciates Church Architecture, i never realized how much meaning thwre was behind it innthe Orthodox Tradition! One of the best tours i had was by an Orthodox Priest of their church.
In defence of the Orthodox church:
First of all, categorizing it as "Eastern" opposes the fact that it was the religion of the first Western state, except if you meant it in the sense of "Eastern European".
Secondly, the arts and sciences were very much present inside the Easten Roman Empire, the explosion of scientific and artistic progress in Western Europe, where Catholicism was prevalent, happened after the diaspora of Greek intellectuals from Constantinople introduced Europe to a wealth of ancient Greek manuscripts.
Thirdly, nationalism amongst Orthodox Christians is neccessary for our survival; the Eastern Roman Empire served as the bulwark against Persian and Muslim expansion, giving Central Europeans multiple centuries to develop their own cultures and states.
It’s true. I’m a Syriac Orthodox Christian my family has been uprooted on multiple occasions due to wars and genocide.
The Renaissance happened because Italy had the means to fund all the research and scientific works as well as for having an abundance of scholars since before the migration of Greek scholars (the Renaissance had already started before the Fall of Constantitonople), otherwise it would have happened in the Byzantine Empire.
Yeah Zoomer talking about Nationalism tied to a church and being Presbyterian is an INSANE take as well. Out of all churches bar maybe the Russian Orthodox Church (Could maybe push the Ukrainian Church up here as well but that's more due to Russian Orthodox Church itself) is without a doubt the Church most tied to any nationalist movement in Christian history.
yeah, he doesn't understand the importance of the east for the academic realm, arguably significantly more important than the west, but had to deal with muslims for the time post schism. Also nationalism is a condemned heresy in the Orthodox Church, ethnophyletism was condemned.
1:37 Presbyterian (S)
5:02 Dutch Reformed (A)
7:29 Anglican (A)
10:57 Lutheran (A)
14:32 Methodist (B)
17:11 Catholic (B)
21:03 Congregationalist (B)
23:49 Baptist (C)
29:20 Orthodox (C)
35:36 Oriental (C)
37:52 Assyrian (D)
40:26 Church of Christ (D)
40:26 Seventh Day Adventist (D)
41:45 Quaker (D)
42:32 Pentecostal (D)
44:47 Non-Denominational (D)
46:21 Moravian (B)
46:54 Latter Day Saints (F)
46:54 Jehoveh’s Witnesses
46:54 Igleisa Ni Christo (F)
48:23 Unitarians (F)
49:46 Radical Progressives (F)
nice
Buddy hes already divided the sections.
U forgot coptiics
Thanks for your effort.
@@chumchumlolyes but the non denominational cover five denominations and Lutheran covers Methodist, and he was just being helpful
Your critique of modern day Baptist is pretty accurate. And, I love how you acknowledge certain Baptist who are trying to renew the Baptist faith like Gavin Ortland, who is one the best Protestant apologists on TH-cam.
However, as I have commented on previous videos, Baptist are NOT radical reformers/Anabaptists. Though we are not reformed either, historical Baptist were more in agreement with the Reformed tradition than they were with the Anabaptist tradition.The First London Confession even makes this clear in its first sentence, “The confession of faith of those churches which are commonly (though falsely) called Anabaptists.”
As someone who is Baptist, is training to be a Baptist minister, and absolutely loves church history and other Protestant traditions, this frustrates me because we are falsely labeled as radical reformers, and many Baptist wear the label as a badge of pride. I’m honestly praying for renewal and an ecumenical spirit to return to the Baptist tradition.
He only knows what he’s being told about Baptists, which is a very narrow view apparently.
Thank you for pointing this out! I can't tell you how many times I seethe when we're grouped in with the Anabaptists.
Thank you for commenting this, I grew up in a Baptist church and know of many other churches like mine that have our church family and traditions, many people who are well versed in scripture, etc.
Y’all seethe about this but follow the same heresies, you just got lucky enough to be successful among stupid americans
Gavin is a schismatic blasphemous heretic
Personally it seemed a little unfair to base most denominations on their best expressions except for Baptists. To be fair, I am biased myself as a Baptist.😂 Keep up the good work brother!
That's a good point 😊
First he said we think institutional Christianity is bad because institutions get corrupt, and rejected this. Later, he lamented how some institutional denominations have been hijacked. That's the corruption right there.
"Rogue mercenaries" is an analogy on point, however. Many churches I've been part of have been quite individualistic and struggle to be a family or to reflect the kingdom.
humans are biased cant do nothing about it
shows how maybe it’s because Baptist is the truth :)
@@lindseymab “Baptist” isn’t the truth. Jesus is the truth. Don’t get so caught up in religion
As a Baptist, yeah, a lot of Baptists have a bad habit of not knowing the doctrines that our denomination was founded upon. I ask around my Baptist friends what they think about regenerate church membership (the defining trait of Baptist churches) and they have no idea. If I were to make a tier list like this then I would put Baptists in S or A tier based on beliefs and doctrine, but in culture and in practice I'd agree with you wholeheartedly.
fair
Couldn’t agree more
We have great potlucks though. Can't beat a Baptist chicken bake
@@Dejanga amen
I am a member at an Independent Baptist Church. I can honestly say it is the most Christ-centered, theologically rich, congregation led church I have ever been to. I’ve been to a lot of baptist churches, and I don’t fit in very well, and agree with your assessment on most baptist churches. But the body of my church has extremely intelligent and wise God fearing people. The point of my comment is that sometimes the Lord leads you to places you never thought you’d go to. I’ve been blessed. Be well ❤
Finally a comment that isn’t a catholic or orthodox 14 year old who hates Protestants and evangelicals simply because of their ego and think they are “redpilled, gigachad and based” because some youtuber said they are.
Usually the problem with baptist churches is that they remove a lot of tradition and then add in their own tradition and treat it like it’s scriptural.
Many baptist churches force their women to dress borderline Amish with skirts or dresses only. They force their members to donate 10% of their paychecks utilizing fear tactics and prosperity gospel. They say you cannot drink alcohol in any amount, tattoos damn you to hell, and they tell you that you cannot be friends with those outside your cult denomination.
Many baptist churches are great. West Baptist Church in Florida is an amazing church. But many baptist churches tend to stick to being an “IFB” Church, which like it or not, is not far from being considered a cult.
Baptism is for lazy Christians
He only knows what he’s being told about Baptists.
I think one thing missed about Baptists by mainline church commentators is about our traditions. Our independence is our tradition. We still feel united, generally speaking; however, don't accept top-down organization. Some of the critiques are spot on, though, lol. I would also add the extreme fundamental baptists to the d or f part of the chart since they often make minor issues on par with salvation itself.
C.S. Lewis described non-denominationalism like this: Imagine Christianity as a big house, and every door is a different denomination. You might spend a long time deciding which room it is you feel most comfortable in, but you can't decide to just live in the hallway.
But in reality, non-denominationalism is just another door 😂
just read that book a few months ago
@@mylesmottley915Ur right. Except that door is baptist lol
@@mylesmottley915depends who you talk to. It isn’t just different on the church level, but different between each person.
@@Apinetree123 the baptist room has two doors
Having spent time in a variety of churches of different denominations throughout my life, I can say with certainty that the individual church matters far more than the denomination.
While not Christian, I agree. I think that the specific house of worship and congregation is more important in *every* religion, since a community isn't going to be the exact same as another just because they follow the same religious denomination.
I partially agree.
I'm a Catholic, and I've been a member of 3 different Catholic churches over the years. The structure is the same, the mass is the same, the music is different, and that's about it. The difference between denominations, though, can be pretty big. I don't think any of them are wrong (other than woke modern ones), but the differences at least matter.
Edit: and the church "staff"(?) obviously. But they've been good everywhere I've been.
@@owfiI agree completely I've been come some sort of Christian universalist. I believe all denominations (other than woke ones like you said) are under the umbrella of Christ's church and has saved believers in it. Anyone who has a heart for God will be saved through their faith and love in His son. I believe anyone who believes it is faith alone will God to heaven based on that if someone thinks it includes the sacraments I believe it will for them if they believe baptism is most important they will all be judged in the way they believe in Christ because they serve Christ and there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. There has to be a reason God made all these denominations as I have met true men and women of God in everyone of them. Clearly God has a use for putting men and women in them.
(What I mean when I say Christian universalist is not the same as universalist) I believe that all Christians who actually follow Christ no matter what denomination they are part of. I do believe non Christians and biblical heretics are not going to heaven.
@@justdoinmythingthe denomination does matter. Let's take the Eucharist: if Christ commanded us to "do this in memory of me" in the sense of the perpetual Mass with transubstantiation occurring at individual masses practiced by Catholics, every denomination, and by extension every Christian within that denomination, is disobeying Christ. This also isn't a slight point to be ignored though as He clearly states whoever doesn't eat and drink of it has no life, causing many to abandon Him. Paul also reminds us that drinking unworthily is to drink death.
We cannot be apathetic about what we believe.
ABSOLUTELY.....they EACH have their own culture & spin, as with ANY group think environment
Jesus was baptized as an adult as were the apostles, Baptist baptisms make the most sense. Given how important the concept of free will is in theology just reinforces the point that adult baptism makes more sense than infant baptism.
Churches of Christ are credobaptists too! 😊
I have come to the conclusion there is no perfect theology; orthodoxy loves the history and "mysteries" which IS supported by doctrine. " I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you." and "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
the Apostolic Tradition of Hippolytus allows for infants to be baptized.
Colossians 2:11-12 speaks of baptism in lieu of circumcision but says you were "raised through faith".
Of course Acts 2:38-41 tells of the remission of sin and some would argue infants are not guilty of sin, but I disagree. “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Psalm 51:5.
"I baptize you with water for repentance, but one who is more powerful than I is coming after me; I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire".
1 Peter 3:21 - Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ"
You could argue an infant doesn't have a conscience, but the baptism is an appeal to God.
Acts 22:16 - And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ - AND wash away your sins. I don't believe the two are one, but you have to repent and call upon Christ.
The baptism seems to be on top of the belief. Yes, you can take a bath but you also have to repent to be clean(sed of sin). I don't see a problem with infant baptism as you also need repentance (or be free from sin) to be saved.
My worthless argument.
Infant Baptism is simply meant to cleanse the baby of original sin and create a closer connection to God from birth
John the Baptist was around the same age as Him so how could He have been baptized any earlier?
Yea I mean I'm part of the Alliance denomination (basically baptist) which focuses on evangelism and preaching the. Gospel. I believe that infant baptism is stupid but it's not like it's gonna keep them from Heaven. This video serves no purpose the guy just wants to say that his denomination is better than everyone else's, while there are some denominations that are false, most denominations have the same core beliefs
As a man raised Greek Orthodox with strong connections with Russia it was indeed interesting to listen to your opinion on the Orthodox Church. From my point of view you just did not search deeply enough about the Orthodox Church because it did have an impact on world cultural heritage. Don't forget about the Pandidakterion, which was de facto the first university in the world. That's why it is called sometimes as the University of Constantinople as well as the monk theological/scientifical brotherhoods of Kiev, Lvov, Vilnius and Ostrog. The Kievan one raised up to the academy rank for example. Plus, we DO have deep theology. The most prominent traditional ones are St Gregory Palamas, St John Chysostome, St John of Damascus and many others. Even nowadays we have some respected and famous theologians such as Christos Yiannaras, Amphilochius (Radovic), Alexandr Men'. Check them out. As for iconography an orthodox would say: iconography is theology in colours. As an example I can recommmend you to read about The Holy Trinity icon by St Andrew Roublev. Have a nice day!)
I agree, I would argue even the deepest theology.
My friend this guy belongs to the Calvinist tradition. His understanding of God is a bit flawed and therefore he misunderstands orthodoxy and the christian faith.
Catholic here -- I fully agree that the Orthodox Church was given great disservice here. I don't think that the few substantial differences between us (the papacy, the Filioque, and the Immaculate Conception seen as "negative" by the Orthodox; nationalism, separation [e.g. the Moscow-Constantinople schism], and non-ecumenism seen as "negative" by the Catholics; and then our differing vantage points of theology) warrant an entire "tier" downgrade.
Then again, this is a Reformed speaker who doesn't appear to recognize that we (Catholic and Orthodox) are the same group that created the Nicene Creed, the same Church that all of the Church Fathers were from, and the same Church that Christ instituted to spread His Gospel Message (though we are now separated).
@@PianoForte9096 Let us all pray that one day our churches, Roman Catholic and Orthodox, find some meaningful way to reconcile our differences. While all men are brothers in a sense, the bond between Catholics and Orthodox is especially strong.
@@chemprofmatt Amen!
As a Pentecostal I'm REALLY surprised you haven't mentioned much about the heresy that hijacks the Pentecostal churches. Word of Faith/New Age Theology is rampant in Pentecostal churches.
Mind to explain. What
Mind to explain what those things mean ? I thought the problem with pentecostal was the prosperity theology
I would love to hear the longer version of this.
I think he might be referring to the mainline churches breaking away from the original theology of the denominations. The pentacostals got hit hard a few years ago, presbys too. The methodists just split in half, and the southern baptists just had a very public debate.
@@icarojose6316 Word of faith theology is the same as prosperity theology :)
Baptist here! I obviously don’t agree with everything but I’ve learned so much from watching your videos. Appreciate you brother!
Yeah! I also felt that, specially putting Baptists below Catholics, that whore from Rev. 17, but since he put Presbiterians first, and Catholics after the ones more agreeable with Calvinism heresy, since Protestants and reformed people came from Catholics, still holding some of their practices, that's the way to go for their tradition hupla of course. No wonder some reformed people are going to Catholics again!
But us Baptists have a true tradition Based on the Bible, our heritage came from Anabaptists persecuted by both Catholics, and reformed people, we are the ones independent from the government and our begginings is before the reformation.
As another baptist I’m completely pissed off
This was very interesting, really learned a lot 😀 I'm in Scotland and Presbyterian, however really great to hear your view and perspective on other Christian denominations. Thanks mate 👍
Oh boy I'm sure this isn't going to be a controversial list!
I converted to Catholicism a couple of years ago after being an atheist in my childhood and growing up in an atheist family. You seem to have a fair view and pretty good understanding of all the denominations from a protestant viewpoint, and it's fun to hear about how you compare them! Thank you for making these videos, it's so nice to see Christian content from other young people.
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Just listen to bishop barron sermon. Don't listen to any other preacher who doesn't get u closer to God. You can tell if the holy spirit is present if it is deep and made impact on you.
@@aerolanz2512 So much for Baptists being the only ones with "personality cults" around their preachers.
I also recommend sam shamoun. He describe the scriptures really well and he is honest.
Bro same thing here my guy I grew up with the goofy protestants in the UK as an atheist now I am a devout catholic somewhere in the USA.
same here. I'm a born again catholic
I'm Catholic, and you were well polite about my church, Presbyterians are the Protestants I empathize with the most, along with Methodists (I was a Presbyterian before becoming Catholic, and my mother is a Methodist). Paz de Cristo e Viva Cristo Rei ✝☦
Yeup you heard it here first folks Catholics are better Deus Vult!
Similar here. I was baptized methodist, my wife, and both my parents families. Her family comes from Baptist background and this year I was converted catholic.
viva it's ok :)
Catholicism and Orthodox are the only ones that have apostolic succession.
The rest relies on fundamentalism.
@@fr.Angel21And also the only ones that have changed the 10 commandments of YHWH
as a Baptist, bro made 90% of that up 💀
pssst. that's why he's making a tier list (yknow, his opinion)
He actually didn't. He's describing the codified doctrine of the Baptist denomination. Maybe you just don't believe it, but he was very true to the Baptist professions of faith. (I went to Baylor.)
@@strangementalitypaperYT ok
@@strangementalitypaperYT fair point
Really, what's kind of funny to me as a Baptist, is that the things he says about some of the Baptist cult followings if certain Pastor's is something I've heard many of my fellow Baptists decry.
I will say though that Baptists are necessarily anti-tradition. We are anti-tradition that isn't supported by scripture.
As an ex-Mormon, I was a member from birth until 29, when I finally understood the theology of the Bible I was appalled by the belief systems of the LDS church. I'm ashamed to say it took me so long to realize. I still haven't settled on a definitive denomination yet, but I'm glad to be on the path to true Christianity.
Dont beat yourself up freind, Christ was beaten for you, and the important part is that you know the truth -now- (that Jesus is the Messiah). God said, I will redeem the years the locust has eaten and the theif has stolen.
I am in the exact same boat and have recently come to believe that the Orthodox Church is the answer. Definitely worth your time to attend one and judge for yourself.
Really happy to hear that man, I honestly pray for Mormons to knock on my door so I can invite them in for tea and desperately try to save them.
I relate to you I grew up as a JW I've been looking into joining a church recently and leaving my old life behind :')
Welcome home! Grace and peace be with you!
Because of your videos I started to go to church again. Today was the first time in years. Went to a very rural Presbyterian church. So small of church they have rotating pastors, seems very conservative, I was by far the youngest person attending the service at 24. They had a screen to read off of for psalms. Overall very good vibes. They gave me a Bible cause I had a hard time understanding the kings James version. Only thing off about the church was inside there wasn’t any Presbyterian cross. Just normal crosses with some engravings. Other than that it was good. Thank you zoomer for making me more comfortable into returning to Christ
That's amazing, praise God! I pray that God keeps you in that church and makes it a blessing to you, as well as makes you to be a blessing to everyone there! God bless
Does he have a choice... Or is he predestined... What's a Calvin's to say? 😊
I think it would be cool if you started a series of comprehensive videos that show the true extent of why heretical groups like LDS, Christian Science, JW, and “progressive churches” aren’t Christian and how they cause great harm to our faith.
It would be more than cool. That content could possibly inform some lost souls.
@@leonardticsay8046 Right, hopefully it could help those that have been sold a false understanding of god by these opportunistic cults.
That would be cool indeed!
Can't forget Non-Trinitarians, Abrahamians, Chrislams, Pagan Christians, Judeo-Christians, and many MANY more.
@@AW27007, wait... What's a "pagan Christian"?
Presbyterians: "Were the intellectual Christians 🤓"
Thomas Aquinas: (Writes his Suma) "Am I a joke to you?"
I love thomas aquinas
He maybe a staunch critic of heliocentricism but he made a lot of shit that what made modern science and theology right now
Wondering if you'll ever make a "why I am not jewish" and "why I am not muslim" videos. I would definitely be interested in watching that.
That would be nice, especially the "why I'm not Jewish" one. Muslim arguments are very weak in general but Jewish ones are actually good
Like muslims unironically deny that the crucifixition happened lmao
@@Testimony_Of_JTF They also say Mohammed split the moon in half, even though _no one_ in the entire rest of the world at any point in any time has said anything even close to that. I haven't even seen someone try to defend it honestly, so maybe they just say it's a metaphor.
Theology aside, being Jewish is something you're usually born into, and converts are usually told "why would you want to be part of us when you have your own traditions as a gentile"? In other words, converting to Judaism is like converting to the pre-Christian religion of a Native American Tribe: It wasn't meant for you unless you have family ties to it.
On the Muslim thing, there are probably many many reasons explained in the Bible and history for not converting.
@@adamandsethdylantoo They don't even think you will go to hell if you're not Jewish and follow all of the Law. The Covenant was with Israel, not anyone else. Just following the 7 laws of Noah is enough for some
@@Testimony_Of_JTFTalmudi Judaism makes less sense than Islam. It is pretty much a response to Christianity.
Im a Baptist and i'm not offended in the least about what you are saying about us. I love your channel and what you are doing. After finding you and watching several of your videos, i had a talk with my kids about the different denominations and how i will not be upset in the least if they chose a different church. Its not really anything i considered before but i realize the importance. Your videos are now apart of our home bible studies. As long as my kids are true Christian and believe the fundamentals, they can decide which secondary issues are most important from what they learn and pray about.
I love the church we attend and it's hard to classify us as Baptists honestly, it not anything like you discribed. However, its not the only Baptist church I've been to, so i understand completely where the generalizations come from. This is why i like this new church we are at. it's much less personal and more about the church, the people. Sacrements are important and mean something more, thats different than what i grew up learning about.
Keep it up, you are doing great!
I’ve been to a few Baptist churches. My home church is baptist and I don’t think most of what he said was accurate. I understand that Baptist do not have as much of an emphasis on church tradition however this is because our belief system. What I disagree with is that he says Baptist have a “me and my Bible” mentality. Most baptists, however, clump to like minded friends to fill up there spiritual cup. Baptists are just more focused on going and making disciples. That’s why the life in the church seems empty compared to others. We are to serve out of the church.
@rormxrsh3028 thanks for explaining that. I'm so new to faith in God and couldn't quite place it why it bothered me, the me and my bible thing. All the Baptist pastors I follow and listen to, as well as my church, is very disciple centered and there is a strong community and missional atmosphere as well. I personally love it. Plus, I'm a little sore I felt like homie called us slow 😂
@@rormxrsh3028 Yeah this! That and apparently making from scratch and rejecting heritage? Please do correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not 100% certain here but from what I've seen, this is what I think we Baptists believe is that things went down like this:
a) Pentecost happens, disciples spread the word and build the church
b) The people who beleived in Jesus at the time, known as the church fathers, share what God has taught through the Holy Spirit and every experience and guidance is written down.
c) Over the generations, these teachings are pased down through loyal servants of God.
d) A corruption happens somewhere in the later generations, the corrupted being X and the remaining uncorrupted being Y
e) This remaining uncorrupted sect of Christians who keep what the early Christians have taught is who are now known as the Baptists.
Because the very term "Sacraments" meant REQUIRED for conversion and remaining so
TRUE original Baptists DIDN'T come OUT of the Reformation although MANY that call themselves such are NOT aware of such@@sanukatharul1497
With Orthodoxy he just took a surface level look and understanding. For example he did not explain that the filouque was not in the original nicene creed. It was later inserted by the latin, without approval from the whole church.
Yeah. He has zero idea of what he is saying. Having Methodist above Orthodoxy just tells you whats up. This is what happens when History and Basic Theology is removed.
@harvestcrops3983 yeah, he said he went into Christianity without any idea of denominations, and it shows. He's just parroting what he's heard.
Begotten from the father wasn't in the original Nicene creed also
I am a confessional Lutheran, and putting Methodist above Orthodoxy is WILD
@@aquilla2.087Yes but it was added because it is theologically sound and reflects the Christian belief. The filioque is not based on anything; it was invented by the Pope. There’s no biblical argument for it
Sure, denominations are important, but if one is in a country where Christians are persecuted, you will see that what matters is the advancement of the kingdom of God, which is what you said. But in many countries we don't have the "luxury" to do these rituals and traditions, neither to build churches with awesome architecture. We just gather here and there, because we are persecuted, similar to the churches described in Paul's letters. That's why I may be considered non-denominational, but that doesn't mean we are disorganized and unfocused in God's kingdom. There are two things that unite us to advance God's kingdom: TRUTH and LOVE of God.
But great video as always :D
Im a catholic and it was so refreshing to hear such a fair take on catholicism. I disagree with your conclusions and I have seen early church fathers defend the papacy (maybe not in those terms but giving the church of Rome primacy), but i just want to give props for the respectable approach.
I feel like he's one theological step away from turning Catholic. Maybe even a priest.
U just admitted that the papacy is made up.
Bc as an Orthodox christians we believe in the primacy of the pope but not in later vatican innovations such as supremacy and infallibility!!
I would see why you’d like the “fair take” on the Catholic Church. Should read my comment on it lol
You will not find a defence of the Papacy from Polycarp or Irenaeus. In fact, the early church in Rome had no Popes.
@@1969cmp I think I was fairly clear that maybe they would not use the term "Pope" per see, just as the early church didn't use the specific term trinity, but that the church of Rome was acknowledged as having a special primacy.
I encourage you to follow the link below to read what many of the fathers have to say. You picked Irenaeus and Polycarp which is fairly random. Assuming you are correct about that, which you are not,
{“But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).) -Iranaeus}
that would not mean that no one believed in this primacy. It seems to me that the early church used the episcopacy in Rome to determine who was in and who was out of the faith so to speak. It was the central backbone, the rock if you will. Not to mention that being christian was dangerous so it is likely that they would obscure to some degree who was the bishop in each place to outsiders. So when you say the early church "had no Popes" that is fairly revisionist and its just bad historical understanding quite frankly.
www.churchfathers.org
Wanted to thank you for helping me learn about Christianity and theology. Today I went to my first Catholic mass and absolutely loved it. In the end I ended up agreeing with their theology the most and it’s also the only church close to me that actually teaches the Bible. B tier for the win.
Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph #813 The Church is one because of her source: "the highest exemplar and source of this mystery is the unity, in the Trinity of Persons, of one God, the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit." 259 The Church is one because of her founder: for "the Word made flesh, the prince of peace, reconciled all men to God by the cross, . . . restoring the unity of all in one people and one body." 260 The Church is one because of her "soul": "It is the Holy Spirit, dwelling in those who believe and pervading and ruling over the entire Church, who brings about that wonderful communion of the faithful and joins them together so intimately in Christ that he is the principle of the Church's unity." Unity is of the essence of the Church
Really glad to hear about your experience with the Catholic Mass. If you haven’t yet, I suggest you check out Trent Horn (Counsel of Trent) and Bishop Robert Barron (Word on Fire Ministries). They’re both excellent Catholic creators who have helped my husband (an RCIA candidate set to be received into the Church this coming Easter) and me (a cradle Catholic) to better understand the faith. Peace be with you!
@@MarianMetanoia Thank you! I’ll check them out, so far the ones I like the most are Pints with Aquinas (I like his long form videos) and Breaking in the Habit. I’ve heard of Council of Trent but haven’t watched his videos yet. I’m very interested in theology so I really appreciate your recommendations to some good Catholic TH-camrs. Peace be with you!
@@Koyomix86 Cradle Catholic here and would like to welcome you home. Some other great resources are Catholic answers here on you tube. Jimmy Akin, Scott Hahn, Dr Brant Pitre, Father Mike Schmitz, Father Mark Goring,Father Donald Calloway are just a few of the wonderful people of God to lead you to The Church founded by Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour. May God Bless you on your journey and never ending quest to follow Jesus. Also the joy you will experience receiving Jesus Christ truly present in the Holy Eucharist is beyond anything you can imagine.
Viva Cristo Rey 🙏✝️
as a southern baptist i completely understand your critiques of the church. i recently have gotten serious about my faith and have repented from sin that has been in my life for a long time. im pretty sure God lead me to your Channel in just the right time to help me understand more about the faith, as i do not understand well just reading but by listening.
I appreciate you. God bless
@@Nitsua2828what are these places… it might be different in some places.
In some places the church seems to be a wooden hut because no one has the funds to build actual architecture.
this guy is gonna feel really silly when he actually learns what Orthodoxy is.
for real, im not even orthodox and my eyes rolled back so far at how...i dont wanna say WRONG but super duper reductionist, and incomplete his explanation was.
I can appreciate the Orthodox Churches as a Catholic. The Churches are beautiful, the liturgies are varied, and a lot of Orthodox believers in my experience are very passionate.
@@forresthenry9535 of course you can appreciate it, catholic is the same coin from different side... they have the same history and traditions until the shcism, the prostestan history only started after the reformation...
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wait what is it really?
I was just confirmed catholic. I was baptized methodist, then was a presby calvinist for 10 years. I never would've expexted i'd end up catholic but when god takes your hand and says lets go for a walk, you follow. You dont pull away... i have to say after a year and RCIA classes and daily study. Im extremely confident that catholic is S tier.
God bless you! Out of curiosity, what made you reconsider some of the theology that led you to leave Calvinist principles to Catholicism?
I'm trying to find time to begin my confirmation process for catholicism. I was baptized at birth in a Presbyterian church and went atheist for 7 years, then went nondenominational for 1 year until I finally found my place in catholicism.
@stephenlee3406 amen! I made the mistake of waiting for an announcement at mass about RCIA. It never came and I started months late but I'm a studious person. I'd call the diocese and ask about RCIA at that parish if you can't find answers after mass.
@channellift2775 The first point to fall for me was irresistible grace. Christ laments over the lost at Jerusalem, he said how I wouldve gathered you like a hen gathers her chick's but you would not. To me, I don't see how irresistible grace can work and that passage be true. Christ would've wanted to save them but he refused to do so? If unconditional election is true than there's nothing the good people did to deserve his grace and nothing the bad people did to deserve his wrath. If total depravity is true then we are created dead in sin and incapable of doing good things on our own. Final analogy to show how disturbing their theology is if you think it through. I have two kids, imagine I elect one to be successful and the other I want to go to prison to teach the kid I like a lesson. For the one child to be successful, I would have to teach her right from wrong, business sense, string values, id hold her hand and show her the right way. If I wanted the other kid to go to prison, I'd do the opposite. Withhold grace, punish wantonly, neglect them, and withhold love and discipline from him. Now if the one kid went to college and got a great career and the other went to prison forever what kind of parent would you say that I am? A good parent for destroying my sons life and any future he might have for the sake of my daughter? No but that's how calvinists think... that it's ok for God to withhold his love and grace to punish the non elect so he can show his elect how much he loves them over the other lovers. If that were true jesus wouldn't have lamented over Jerusalem, he would've laughed maniacally like some super villain. Calvinists are LOCO I can't believe it took me 10 years to see it. No calvinist thinks about that stuff they just repeat God is sovereign and it makes any evil go away in their mind. It's a powerful brainwashing tool
Excellent explanation. Welcome home!
I never thought as an ex-Christian atheist who especially has issues with Reformed theology that I would love this channel. But you're very engaging, fair, honest, and do a great job explicitly stating your priorities as a Christian (i.e. Jesus as physically resurrected savior). I can really respect that and I'm subscribing!
Very nice!
God bless you!
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for you. Please don’t take chances with your soul.
Romans 10:9 KJV
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@@EzraCansler I think a lot of open minded atheists/agnostics find coercion by fear a pretty weak method of convincement. In my eyes, if God can appear before Satanists & murderers & such and convert them during their lifetime, I'll wait for him to get around to me and provide me with such an experience.
I'm Ethiopian Orthodox tewahdo follower and at 35:36 when you talk about oriental, you depicted Ethiopian Orthodox deacon and feels great. Many people don't know about Oriental or Ethiopian Orthodox church theology and I am highly encourage you to read and dig deep about the religion. We have a lot to give and can help you to expand your knowledge and look for truth.
I’m a (Trinitarian) Pentecostal and what you said about us is unfortunately spot on! I wish more Pentecostals would actually read the clear instructions on how to properly use spiritual gifts!
“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.”
1 Corinthians 14:37-40 KJV
Side note: I too prefer the more traditional hymns over the contemporary stuff.
Don't leave what is a sound Christian community for Larps. Pentecostals get alot of things right. They have true community, fellowship. They just have to respect the communion more.
@@juandoming6688true on the communion part because I am in a Pentecostal church and we rarely do communion. It’s mostly one in a while but always on Christmas and Easter
Yeah if the lord has it on your heart to interpret then you need to do so and I think if someone did speak in tongues loudly during preaching then that would be disorderly ✝️❤️god bless
I left charismatic pentecostal church. They have women pastor, and the feelings is dominant rather than the scriptures.
Your channel gave me a motivation to look at other churches and learn from them.
Thank you for making explanation, by making it easy to understand!
Same as a catholic this channel helped give me the desire to learn more about protestants, something most Catholics just dismiss
@@jacksonkuzmic I couldn’t agree more!!!
Hello please become orthodox
Excellent summary. As a Lutheran, I've never hear any in my congregation say anythint disparaging about Presbyterians. We're critical of Calvinism, but we highly respect fellow confessional Reformation churches.
Thank for your work on this channel. A great source of church knowledge.
"KALvinism"?
@@zelphx Whoops! Brain lapse.
I've been atheist and skeptic my whole life until I attended an independent Baptist church. I said to myself, this is the right church for me as they really helped my understand everything and also they are faithful to the bible. There is a reason why i avoided certain churches such as the Catholic church as they have practices that contradicts what God commanded not to mention they have already compromised, i apologize but i don't mean to attack anyone i'm just saying.
You are right
As an Orthodox teen it drives me crazy how many misguided, naive, and arrogant Orthodox Christians there are online. I've been Orthodox since I was 5, and having grown up in an OCA parish I've always been taught to be empathetic and loving, and that most people who aren't Orthodox either haven't been expoesed to it, OR have been exposed to a warped version and completely turned off. It breaks my heart when I hear people talk badly about our faith (not that you were unkind in any way, it was just clear you have probably had some unpleasant online experiences with "Orthodox" people, who likely don't actually know what we believe). I'm of course still growing in my faith, but talking to almost any priest answers a lot of questions. If you happen to become curious, I would highly recommend Ancient Faith Ministries. Blogs, podcasts, and books all containing quality information about the truth and beliefs of the Orthodox faith.
That's just a problem within new converts of any religion (more notoriously, atheists), specially with how being a religious traditionalist is the new counter culture amongst the youth.
Thanks for posting this comment. I've come around to Christianity after spending a few years extensively reading various philosophers and theologians, and I'm hoping to become part of the Orthodox church. There are some Orthodox people online who are hands-down the nicest people I've ever met, but I will admit I was somewhat put off in the earlier days by the kinds of people you describe. It was primarily a sort of "you MUST believe this or else!" attitude, or a "if you don't agree with me then you're not Orthodox".
To be fair there are people like that in every group, but I can just ignore them more easily!
@Skin_Man absolutely! If you are moving towards the Orthodox faith, first off welcome and congratulations! Second, if you haven't already found a parish, do! The sooner you're relying less on online interaction, the better. I'm not qualified to judge the characteristics of each jurisdiction, but I'm in an OCA parish and everyone I've met in our deanery are the loveliest, welcoming, and warm people and my best friends. The harsh, judgemental "Orthodox Christians" are NOT a representation of the Church as a whole, and that's one of the many flaws in social media-bringing out the worst in people who think their anonymity gives them permission to say outrageous and hurtful things.
@@miyannapittman5580 Thank you for the kind words! I'm in rural New Zealand at the moment, so my options are somewhat limited, but I'll be moving to the UK in the future and I'm hoping to find more of a community there. My biggest problem is that, in everything I do, I tend to isolate myself and go off and "do my own thing". I can appreciate the value of community, it's just something I'm not familiar with.
As a recent convert to Orthodoxy (Antiochian), this comment resonates with me quite a bit. I am 27, so not old, but I listen to many of the younger converts who in their zeal for the faith completely shoot themselves in the foot with how they approach non-Orthodox Christians. Do not get me wrong, I think the differences of Orthodoxy from other Christian traditions are very important. But instead of making a bludgeon to beat other Christians, we should be using it as a starting point for a dialogue on why those differences are important.
As someone who was raised in the Pentecostal church up in Canada (albeit predominately rural Canada) , I feel a radical disconnect between what I hear about Pentecostalism from American youtubers and what I experienced growing up.
As with every religion it seems.
Depending on which organization you were with and how much it was influenced by the Latter Rain/Charismatic movement, you might have had a more traditional Pentecostal upbringing. I would need to know more about your church's history to begin to guess.
As one who was raised in the pentecostal denomination for 23 years I completely agree.
As a fellow Canadian, (Canadian Baptist) I feel like Canadian Protestant denominations just tend to be less extreme. It’s too cold to be crazy here lol.
As a Pentecostal, I agree
Austrian Lutheran here,
I really enjoy your videos and they helped me learn about God and my faith.
Keep up the good work.
Is Austrian Lutheran a denomination? Or are you saying that you are a Lutheran from Austria? Is it an evangelisch church?
A point of clarification about Catholicism and the teaching on salvation. The Catholic Church does not believe that we humans can save ourselves or that a human can save another person. Only God gives us salvation. He judges us by our faith and by what we do (works). Both of those are stressed in the Bible. So, we help each other, and priests serve as ordained ministers of the sacraments, but ultimately, people are God's instruments, and it is only his saving grace that grants eternal life. Peace and blessings to you all.
Lutheran sees Lutheranism only in A tier: What!?
Lutheran sees Catholicism in B tier: Oh, okay. We're good.
But joking aside, this was an edutaining video.
Fellow Lutheran!
Greetings my Lutheran brothers!
I'm Lutheran and what he said about appealing to mystery may be true, but I see this as a strength, because some if the doctorine that comes from say calvanists and even catholics, comes from them going to logical conclusions based on human reason and wisdom even if scripture doesnt confirm it or even speaks against it. Lutherans on the other hand dont go farther in doctorine then where svmcripture ends, we say amen and are content with leaving room for mystery where I believe there should be. I think 1 corinthians actually warns against the things calvsnists do when they try to figure everything out just for the sake for having an explanation for everything. We shouldn't expect to have an explanation for everything, but when god tells us something through the bible, we should say amen. Deuteronmy speaks about this too.
Greetings my Lutheran brothers!
God's peace brothers.
I have to thank you for your videos. While not of the same denomination (I’m Roman Catholic), you have helped inspired me (along with many others) to take my faith more seriously.
I'm a non-denominational and I agree with most of what you said, especially when you said our theology is very similar to Baptist theology. I'm one of those people who just prefers not to put a denominational label on it. When people ask me what I believe I simply tell them I'm a Christian.
I grew up going to small traditional Lutheran churches and I always had the hardest time paying attention to the messages my pastors would give. I would feel guilty that I couldn’t stop myself from day dreaming during the services.
Going to a non denomination in my late 20’s got me to actually study the Bible, I was able to be mentally present the whole message, and seek God daily.
Im happy that other denominations work for other people, I’m just happy with what works for me and my faith in God.
@@terriblemonstersart8144 I kinda have a similar story. I grew up Roman Catholic though. At least in the church I went to, Roman Catholics don't spend a lot of time exegeting scripture. We had liturgy and would read from the Bible, and when the priests would give their homilies they would always make loose connections. I stopped going from the time I was 18 but just last year I felt a calling and found my current church. My hunger for God's word has never been greater, and my fire for the Lord has never burned brighter.
I think what gives non-denom a bad rep is how many people completely misunderstand what it is. So often people call themselves ND when they clearly are not against denominationalism, they just disagree with the available denominations.
Non Denom isn't when you're undecided on your denomination. it isn't when you have a denomination but don't want to name it.
Non Denom is to Denominations what Protestants are to catholics. Non-denom is when you're fundamentally opposed to the idea of building walls between you and other followers of Jesus. It's when you believe having seperate denominations is wrong.
Non-denom is saying "We don't have to agree on everything to be unified, so long as we're genuine followers of Jesus". As a non-denominationalist, I don't believe we should be seperating into groups and just talking with people who believe the same as us. I think we should collapse all the walls, and discuss things with one another as equal heirs to Jesus' kingdom. If we disagree, then we can discuss it and/or agree to disagree, while still being united in the overall body that is Jesus' followers.
I only believe in 2 human denominations: Followers of Christ, and not followers of Christ. So long as you agree with me on who Jesus is and agree to follow him, then I consider you part of the church, even if we believe very differently when it comes to smaller matters.
Denominationalism is basically saying "if you disagree with us on predestination, then we must seperate" or "If you disagree with us on what kind of music to sing in church, we must seperate". Non-Denom is saying "That's stupid, we should all consider ourselves part of the same body if we agree on Jesus, that's what He clearly wants".
@@SuperIsaiah Amen brother. You perfectly described how I feel on the matter and put into words what I couldn't.
I go to and serve at a non-denominational church that is essentially what I would call "Bapti-costal". My Pastor was born and raised in a Pentecostal Holiness Church (his dad was a Pastor), and I once asked him about the reason why speaking in Tongues was so common in the Pentecostal Church, and his explanation was that it's expected. In the same way we expect a worship session, and a sermon, the Pentecostals expect someone to break out in Tongues. Now there are a few things to consider. One, they didn't treat it lightly, and stood by the guidance given by Paul in terms of Spiritual Gifts. If someone was not interpreting what was being said in Tongues, they would shut it down. Another thing to remember is that while it may not be divine, it *is* real. Their passion is genuine, and they honestly believe that the random gibberish they are saying as it comes to mind is from God. He also mentioned that behind closed doors, he knew of people in other denominations that have had an experience speaking in Tongues, one of which being an Anglican. One event involved a missions trip in Moldova in which the Romanian interpreter was indisposed for the day (he was sick). The missionary still gave his message, albeit in English, and Moldovans *understood* what he was saying. They reacted to parts of the sermon as if though they understood, because they did, despite not knowing English. So many people have this idea in their heads that "Speaking in Tongues" is just spouting off gobbledy nonsense. Its actually the Gift of the Spirit to speak in languages unknown to you, or understand them, as the case was here.
I was an atheist for 7 years until i became a Christian earlier this year. Im non denominational for now as i dont know much about the different denominations, but ive heard a lot of good stuff about Presbyterianism and probably should look into it more. God bless!
Be very careful to not go to a woke Presbyterian churhc
Every Presbyterian church Ive seen had a rainbow flag hanging from it
@@frequan6261there are woke churches in every denomination.
@@EliB207not catholic or orthodox
@@Juju-nw7dpcheck redeemed zoomers church ideological compass thingy
30:28 the filioque isn't as much of a doctrinal issue, more so an issue of authority. The Papacy arbitrarily added this word to the original of the Nicene Creed, and tried to impose it on all the other patriarchates. This would affirm that Rome had the political authority and domination over all the Eastern Patriarchates. If anyone is at fault for this, it is the Roman Patriarchate, ie the papacy, that put the integrity of our communion at peril, simply for the sake of exerting control over us. Especially the doctrine that the Pope is "never wrong", this can't work.
I tend to agree. I'm Catholic and I believe the filioque is true and correct and that the Pope did have authority to do it, but it wasn't done in order to clarify doctrine, just for the Pope at the time to flex his authority.
@@brittoncain5090how is the papacy legitimate? What in the bible justifies it?
@@thewiseofearth The papacy is legitimate because Jesus created it. Where did He teach that everything a Christian needs to believe is found explicitly in the Bible?
@@brittoncain5090 Understandable, have a nice day 😎👍
@@brittoncain5090 When did Jesus create the Papacy? I don't remember that
I was raised in a Pentecostal church and I believe that everyone’s experience is based on the the actual church. Many churches were different from what I believed. Some churches really encouraged speaking in tongues while others were only based on your own experience with God. I respect your opinion nonetheless. Great video! God bless you.
Seems like we have a shared background in being raised in a Pentecostal church and the conclusions drawn.I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Pentecostals are the only churches that have real fellowship. All the other churches have disconnected communities and are weekend Warrior types. The pentecostals need to introduce communion tho.
@@juandoming6688I would kinda agree with you in that Pentacostals have a much greater emphasis on fellowship, however my church, which is Pentacostal, partakes in communion every month.
@@juandoming6688 well I'm pentecostal, but my church has communion,on multiple occasions
Grew up pentacostal, we didnt really focus too much on theology we were all about the spiritual gifts we had bible study, choir etc. But i did go to a oneness church, and everyone was speaking in tongues at the Same time. I had a migraine due to the chaos, but thankfully the holy spirit helped me rebuke the gathering. My friends wife said it wasn't as Chaotic as usual 😅 I was like "the bible says no more then 3 should speak in tongues... and only if their's interpretation."
As an ex-baptist now atheist, I find it funny that I’m still somehow offended by the low ranking of baptism
Sorry for you got a not-so-good version of Christianity. Faith is a journey and sometimes struggling. I hope you’ll rediscover it one day. Peace be with you.
@@cabriniryanvu sincerely, do not spit on the bride of Christ.
Alternate title: Comparing every Christian denomination to Presbyterianism
Edit: I know he’s a Presbyterian. I know he says it’s going to be a bias video. I just thought my alternate title would also be fitting for the video.
He basically said that at the beginning of the video.
@@VillagerPlaystationVita If you don't put your own faith in S tier you should probably be thinking about converting soon lol
Honestly this should've been the title of the video. At least he would've been as honest and as upfront about his intent as the Jeovah's Witnessess 😂
@@lauson1ex literally 10 seconds into the video he says that this is basically going to be a video comparing how similar they are to his church. That's about as upfront as you can get.
Proud to be a roman apostolic catholic Christian! ✝️
great, apostolic succesion proves the papacy right and all of James especially James 2 proves salvarion through faith and works
@@jacobh2147... Biblically , Salvation is NOT based on faith + works ...but WORKs are the fruits of faith...They are NOT one of the "tools" required to get to heaven as what the roman catholic succession teaches...in contrast to what God teaches in His Word...even in the book of James when read in context... 🤔
@@christlyn1830 the book of James literally says faith without works is dead, explain that, also Jesus said those who love me will do my works
@@jacobh2147 That faith which isn't backed by works is not genuine faith. James even quotes the same Scripture as Paul does in Romans 4.
James 2:23 "And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."
Abraham had faith and righteousness before he offered up Isaac, but his works made manifest and verified his faith.
James 2 is about the hypocrisy of the false convert and how true faith works in the Christian, as was also described in Hebrews 11 talking about the faith of Old Testament saints. The context makes this very clear if you read on from James 1 talking about being doers of the word, that vain hearers deceive themselves, yet saying that it's the engrafted word which when received saves the soul.
It's very clear especially in Galatians 5 and in Romans 4, that if you work for salvation your reward is not of grace but of debt, and that Christ is of no effect to you if you seek to be justified by the law.
@@anon5075 you are mot justified by the law neother by your works it is faoth but that faith must be kept alive by works, that we do not earn salvation for no one deserves it but we prove and maintain our faith ny exercising Gods will, not all those who call unto him Father, Father will be recognized, also we have to acknowledge Jesus before all so he does the same in front of the Angels, another example of keeping faith through works
You know what would be an awesome idea for your next video? A vid explaining about all the different types of heresies in Christendom, including old heresies (Gnosticism, Marcionism, Docetism, etc...), Trinitarian heresies (modalism, tritheism, partialism, etc...), Christological heresies (Nestorianism, Apollinarianism, etc...) and other newer heresies like prosperity gospel and theological liberalism.
100% agree
Those sound like other religions?
@@1mol831 Yes, because most heresies resemble other religions more closely than they do Christianity.
@@ShepherdGuyIsHere not really they are their own religion. Not other religions. I think stuff like Buddhism is considered it’s own religion?
The Catholic Church is not a "denomination", it is The One Church founded by Christ.
We do not call ourselves "Roman Catholic"; said term was applied when Henry VIII, having broken from the Catholic Church after being excommunicated for bigamy, applied themselves the title of English Catholic in order to retain a certain level of importance as a "quasi Catholic" Communnion.
The Catholic Church did not recognize such intent.
Protestant churches and sects spawned from Martin Luther's organization, hardly keeping any sense of communion with each other.
God bless.
Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox here:
I am a solid fan of your videos, but I think you lack a lot of knowledge when it comes to Eastern Orthodoxy and the culture of Eastern Europe, which is understandable.
Yeah the filioque is a big deal, and the Eastern Orthodox saw this as a heretical decision from the Catholic church, so they are the ones who started it. Its a drift away from the traditions after all.
When it comes to ''over the top churches'' and icons, they are not ment to overshadow God nor the faith, rather to reflect and depict the true power and beauty of Christianity. We do not pray to the actual material of the icons. Its just a gateway/window to God
Yeah, EO is the oldest established church, so we can be a bit haughty sometimes lol. Otherwise, I do not think we have any serious problems with Catholicism, althought the same way you view ''JW'' from a Protestant perspective........The Orthodox Church also sees the Protestant (with all of its denominations) as kinda heretical, due to the fact that you have simplified a lot and drifted from the traditions, but I understand this, unlike the Ecumenical patriarchate, because of CULTURE AND HISTORY!
I justify why Protestant denominations are so related to academia, but this comes back from the Renaissance and the whole corruption regarding the Catholic Church, the need for improvement, which came from Luther's thesis.
That's why in some aspects Orthodoxy is closer to Islam than Catholicism or Protestantism, because we are not a very secular religion, and throughout history the East of Europe was a dirty, feudal, place, which was under Russian or Ottoman control, so we did not have so much access (none) to colonization, science and after that to any technological or industrial revolutions. Although, the main conflict here is still between Islam and Christianity because of history (Albania vs Serbia, Bosnia's Federation vs Rep. Srpska, Turkey vs Greece/Bulgaria)
Which brings me to the connection with nationalism and the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church played such a vital role in the Liberation of Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece, since it kept the national spirit, culture and language of the nations under Ottoman rule. It was the only institution that survived and cared for its people. It was the only source for education up until the 1800s through the ''church schools'' in BG
One thing, prots view JWs as far worse than the divide between EO and RC, EO might argue RO are within the faith but as practising heretics. Prots generally do not regard JW as within the faith since they are modern day Arians and as an EO I'm sure you appreciate why that would be a massive issue given what the early councils went through in the 4th century to fight back against Arianism which calls Christ just a perfect creature rather than a perfect creature in his human person but fully man and fully G'd in both persons.
the orthodox church at least the greek orthodox, did absolutely nothing for the nation of Greece, they literally destroyed and burned every philosophical and philological book because it was against the word of God, at least that's what the church claimed, they did not approve the greek revolution of 1821 and they excommunicated all the greek heroes of the revolution and everyone who was against the church or the ottomans ( because back then the greek orthodox church was close friends with the ottomans)
The same is true for the Oriental (Tewahedo) Orthodox Church for Ethiopia, which was a major unifying factor of the highland dwelling people of Ethiopia against surrounding Muslim sultanates, Ottaman Invasion, and even European colonization. The Tewahedo Orthodox church greatly contributed for Ethiopia to remain the only African nation to successfully resist being colonized.
@@svensvenforkedbeard170 I agree JW is a heretics cult. I do not think any true Christian or Chuch should take them as a serious Christian denomination, plus they have a very sketchy history and present
What you said is great, but it doesn’t really disprove much of what he said.
35:30 the Orthodox church isn't nationalistic in an aggressive way. But we believe that the nations of the world are all made equal and are an essential part of the world that should be celebrated. Afterall, the Byzantine scholars recognized the importance of national diversity, this is why they translated the Gospel in so many other languages to christianize other people, such as the Slavs or the Egyptians or the Arabs. Meanwhile the Catholics ONLY accepted the Latin Gospel, because they wanted to show unity. There's no point doing that
The Russian Orthodox Church ABSOLUTELY is nationalistic, and has been for many decades, if not centuries!
There are Eastern catholics that have Syriac, Alexandrian, Byzantine and Armenian traditions
The resistance to vernacular translation had a lot to do with an overreaction to medieval heresies and the reformation, because many bishops would see it as a way to make it easier to insert their heretical ideas in the translations, but even with that there were still approved translations of the bible to the vernacular languages during that time, both partial or total. And for the liturgy, even though there was a big emphasis on the unity aspect, and of latin being one of the sacred languages, they would still give dispensations to some places to use their vernacular languages in the liturgy
@@diogomelo7897 That's an interesting perspective. Still, an important part of why most of the Slavs adopted Orthodox Christianity had to do with the Byzantines being far more tolerant of other nationalities and more ecumenical, when compared to the monolithic Latin establishment
@@georgios_5342 I agree that the Byzantines were more tolerant with other languages than the Latins, but at the same time, if certain events didn't happened, they could've become more open to it sooner.
Lutheran here! Loved the video. I understand what you were saying about the "one-way" appreciation, but we do appreciate you! I promise we love Presbyterians more than probably any other denomination!
Another Lutheran here! We love Presbyterians, indeed! But no, Anglicans are our besties. 🙂
Awww, oatmeal and Dillon, yall are my besties also
isn't the basis of Calvinism the belief that "GOD already knows who will be saved and who wont be" and if so how does that make sense biblically speaking
One thing I'd like to add on the topic of confession: You are correct about confession as a cause for anxiety, but I have never had a better feeling than just after a good confession. Theology aside, to be able to confess out loud your sins to another is incredibly freeing and reinforces hope in the pursuit of Christ. Can we really say that pre-confession anxiety is meaningfully different from Adam and Eve first hiding from God?
Pre confession anxiety is because you know you've done wrong (for me anyway) and you need to do better. I love confession
There's nothing wrong with confession and most Protestant branches do strongly encourage confession. Many do general confession in service liturgy, and most pastors are available to take private confession for seriously plaguing sins and spiritual guidance (eg. killing someone, affairs, etc.). They are also bound by oath of spiritual confidentiality, as they are acting under Office of the Keys and are therefore acting as representatives of Christ, though of course many will encourage sinners to face the consequences of man to show contrition and repentance.
The difference is that Confession is not a moral or spiritual *obligation* as salvation is assured through faith- confession is a means to protect and keep faith, not the other way around.
I love going to confession, speaking out all my sins helps me battle them
I will say, as someone who went to John Macarthur's college, I feel like the whole "cult" around John MacArthur is more in spite of his teaching. There will be times where people would be gushing about how great John Macarthur is right in front of him, and you can physically see how uncomfortable he is during it. So while I agree with your critique of the Baptist denomination, I would say it's more of a cultural thing than a leadership thing. Of course, the leader ship is responsible for the culture, etc. etc.
I live close to The Master's and want to take courses there some day. Pipe dream perhaps, as I don't see myself ever having that kind of money to throw at it. But while I am currently going through a MacArthur study bible and deeply appreciate the man's vast knowledge of Scripture referenced by Scripture (best way I know how to put it, sorry still very much an infant in Christ here), I occasionally take issue with something he says or how he says it. The study bible says in its beginning sections that if you're not a believer there is no reason for you to read the Bible and to put the book down essentially. WTH? I in actuality came to faith in large part BY reading The Gospels, then all of the NT, etc., though there were other factors. This after 40 years as an arrogant, even militant atheist fool. And Mac says go away nonbeliever? Especially don't like that as I have an extremely strong interest in apologetics.
"Ehmm why isn't the Orthodox Church more open minded" it seems our superiority has been the subject of some controversy
Dude Catholic on B tier and Orthodox on C tier, What the Heck bro?
Being something of a non-denominational/Baptist-lite myself, I actually appreciated your take on it.
I appreciate that you shouted out individuals who are very serious about their faith but also pointed out that there’s a lot of issues with the denomination as a whole. Good take.
29:49 if the Orthodox Christian doctrine was different from the Catholic one, then the Catholic/Westerners would be the heretics, not the Orthodox Christians. This is because Eastern Orthodox Christianity has kept the word of God unchanged through the church tradition, while the Catholic church and the papacy have made changes and splintered off into tens of groups that all made their own deviations from the original. So, if someone is a heretic, it's the one who changed the original, not the one who preserved it. Remember, out of the 5 original Patriarchates (Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and Rome), only the Roman Patriarchate tried to subdue the others and impose the Papal supremacy and the filioque and the "sorry card" (indulgence), where they literally paid money to absolve themselves of sin.
It would be ridiculous to call the Eastern Orthodox church heretical when it has retained the tradition all the way from Jesus Christ and the Apostles, the original Koine Greek bible, while at the same time all the Western churches have made so many changes.
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Okay? The Trinity wasn't enshrined in doctrine until the councils, so would you agree that the Church before/during the councils wasn't legitimate? Doctrine developed over time when the Church was in union, you're trying to insinuate Orthodoxy was literally instantiated instantly in 33 AD and that's just not true.
@@xravenx24fe No, the Trinity was only crystalized/set in stone by the Councils, it already existed before them. This is evidenced by the Theophaneia, Jesus' Baptism by John the Baptist, where the Trinitarian God appeared in front of him and the other people that were there.
@@georgios_5342i totally agree with you. The western churches,especially the 12 quadrillion protestant denominations can't be considered as a part of the one true church. The protestants,because they lack apostolic succesion and church authority. How can you only trust the bible if the church made the bible? How can the bible have more power than the church?Also,the catholics are heretical because they have altered the Nicene Creed which states that the holy spirit only derives from the father,but in the mid-6th century the Catholic Church decided to add the filioque(and the son)to the creed. There's also stuff like papal infallability and the fact that you can pay to get saved. So,orthodoxy is the truth because the church's dogma hasn't changed,whilst all the other churches in the west have changed the dogma that they teach.
What is most interesting about this list, is how you've scored these denominations entireline according to your own true feelings, not according to any doctrine or dogma.
I think that's very strong and honest. - And i also think it's logical that your own denomination is at the top; if it weren't, you should switch.
From the Nicene creed:
"...I believe in one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church..."
43:00 you say to be a Christian you need to believe in the Nicene creed, so when are you converting to Catholicism?
Catholic means universal, Apóstolic means founded by the apostles. It is the Roman part that nobody agrees with. Former catholic here.
Anglican here. You can't get content like this anywhere else. This is another excellent ecumenical video. Bias with the rankings, sure, but the info about each denomination is incredible.
Brazilian Pentecostal’s here. Thanks for an interesting analysis of denominations, it’s so nice to watch on Sunday.
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I really appreciate that you talk about the different denominations from an academic/theological perspective rather than a political perspective, which seems to have become the norm on social media. Your videos are great to watch because not only are you extremely educated on the topic, but it’s evident you’re really passionate about it, too. Keep up the great work!
Extremely educated ?
I find what you say about the baptists to be so interesting because as a person who was born into a baptist church and believes in believers baptism I have often wondered why there is less emphasis on the history of the church. I think that based on what I know it would be great for baptists to learn church history and find out where we come from. I have done some study of church history and it has done nothing but increase my faith and assurance that I do have good and orthodox theology. I think that the reason that as you say baptists have a long retention rate is that we do understand salvation as something that happens to an individual and thus we only baptize those in water who we see bear the fruit of a person who has been baptized in the spirit.
I was raised and continue to be Baptist (SBC in the 1990s, then CBF after the schism became permanent). I do recall there was a big to-do on the 400th anniversary of the founding of what would become the Baptists by Smyth and Helwys. But otherwise, we seem to mostly speak to our broad family tradition, and where we are and where we are going, rather than pointing to individual history.
If and when history is mentioned, the major emphasis seems to be that of how certain historical events resulted in the formation of the Baptist heritage (at least here in the United States). Basically, as with the other English Dissenters, the Baptist tradition was less the result of purely intellectual disputes than it is the sum total of the experiences of the Reformation(s), the Counter-Reformation, the European Wars of the Religion, the English Revolutions of the 17th century, the downside of a mandatory Established Churches no matter how-Protestant, and in general bad things happening on all sides.
Basically all to explain: why we don't force people to be a full member of the church, why we have congregational polity (grass-roots governance rather than top-down), why one of our main tenants is separation of church and state, etc., and the general individual emphasis on individual Soul Competency, rather than dogmatics. In order to spare strife and reduce persecution seen in the 16th-18th centuries, Baptists baked into the denominational theology our modern politically-liberal conception of "religious freedom" and democracy, before political religious freedom and liberal democracy was firmly in place in secular civil government. It is, I think, one reasons Baptists are so numerous and prominent in the USA: our theology is quite compatible with the foundational political philosophies of the country.
That is also why so many Baptists have been highly skeptical of any theological tests being imposed between congregations of the various fellowships other than the basic Nicene &c. creeds and holding of the Baptist distinctives. Our tradition stripped Christianity down to what the founding generations of the denomination thought were the bare-minimums of Christianity, and then let it live out like a what today we think of as an open-source project, forking as needed. The downside of this is that, unless you go actively looking for it, many Baptists have lost elements of the greater Christian tradition, and we can have a very hard time getting things done, especially when we don't merely "agree to disagree".
“1 am not a Pastor, nor do I have a seminary degree. I am a regular gen Z (zoomer) who was raised in a very secular progressive culture.” -Redeemed Zoomer
It shows
and it shows real bad
The way he talked about us baptists pissed me off so bad
7:00 While I agree to a degree, the reason why modern protestant churches are so simple is partially to be able to build as quickly and efficiently wherever a building is needed and not have to spend years on a fancy building that looks pretty. The vast majority of non-denominational churches I've been to started as a bible study group or something like that from one church that expanded to the point where they needed to purchase a building to make their own meeting place, which, all things considered, is a VERY Biblical way for a church to start and is how all of the Early Churches started in some shape or form where the "church" wasn't necessarily a building but a community. It's very pragmatic, all things considered, but I think we are going to be seeing a reversal soon enough as many Protestants have been complaining about it for years.
46:10 I've never heard anyone from a non-denominational church say that churches need to be decentralized. Again, non-denominational churches usually form from a community that WANTS a church but can't go through all of the work to ask a normal denomination to step in do things for them. Most non-denominational churches are local grassroots churches where there was a necessity to make a church for one reason or another. A lot of larger church denominations do suffer from bureaucracy and not being able to work as effectively or quickly as they could, as I recall issues in the Methodist churches over this. The larger an institution, the more money is absorbed to do very simple tasks. Non-denominational churches excel at being able to start up quick and get to the point really fast. All of the fastest growing churches I've seen were non-denominational where I knew one that went from only a few dozen people to thousands within a decade because there wasn't any bureaucracy slowing them down to get things working as fast as possible (they were also biblically sound too).
However, as mentioned, non-denominational churches suffer heavily from each congregation or church not being held to any sort of authority above them. I think Non-denominational churches are an example of being a risky gamble because they can be INCREDIBLY good at catering to the exact needs of a given community but also can suffer greatly in terms of theology.
I'm Presbyterian, but my best friend in college was Catholic. Our discussions are a big part of why I'm very ecumenical today. I've always used the Nicene Creed as a litmus test in that I've always said "if you can honestly say the Nicene Creed you are a Christian, if you can't then I have questions".
i'm coptic and we do belong to the nicene branch :)
@@maro_Jesusisking my apologies, I somehow managed to get the councils of chalcedon and nicea mixed together in my head. There's a couple of councils and centuries in-between them. I knew that but had a massive moment of stupidity. I'm going to edit my post to remove the erroneous part of it. Thank you for your correction.
@@ADT1995 haha of course no worries
The biggest gripe I would have regarding the baptism aspect is that regardless of age there is a sense of "Kingdom theology" in both birth baptisms and non. Both are done at different ages (although most are done as infants there are many exceptions). While non birth baptisms occur likely at different ages ( potentially more spread out in terms of age). But the difference is that true understanding of what the baptism process means to the individual isn't a bad thing, nor is it individualistic. I personally was baptised with a very large group of individuals who all felt a sense of comradedry and support from our fellow brothers and sister in Christ throughout the process. ..I loved the video and your work nonetheless! Very thankful to have you give such a
In depth content across the board!
Theologically Presbyterianism might be the most sound. However, in my area especially, Presbyterian churches are spiritually dead. Same goes for Lutheranism and double for Anglicans/Episcopalian and Methodists. Putting Baptists so low is bait. Putting them below Congregationalism is completely nonsensical. Don't measure denominations by what they say they believe, measure them by what they do and preach.
To say John MacArthur isn't theologically reformed indicates that you have confused the terms "Reformed" and "Presbyterian." Historically Presbyterianism is one branch of the Reformed movement. You can easily be Reformed and not Presbyterian (and historically most "Reformed" theologians have not been Presbyterian).
To say that Baptists specifically suffer from the issue of "celebrity pastors" shows that you have too narrow of a view of the Church. Pretty much every denomination that doesn't have a high church liturgy is going to suffer from this because the sermon becomes the cornerstone of the liturgy. Presbyterianism is not different. You want to point to John MacArthur, I'll point to Tim Keller.
The Baptist theological movement absolutely DID NOT come out of the radical reformation. This is a misconception completely unsupported in church history which assumes that "Anabaptists" and "Baptists" are the same thing. They are not and in their early history Baptists completely rejected the label and theology of Anabaptism. The Baptists grew out of the English Separatist movement. They are cousins/brothers to the Puritains and the Congregationalist church who hold the same theology and history but maintain credo rather than pedobaptism.
Spiritually dead means not truely Christian, since no true Christian can be born again while remaining dead in their trespasses. Is that really what you intend to convey about all the denominations you listed? You might want to edit your comment.
Reformed Zoomer would generally agree with you that most PCUSA churches are dead, and he hopes to revive them.
OFC, the NAPARC churches plant like crazy.
@@wesleydahar7797 Yes, 100%. Look at the current Episcopal Church, look at the PCUSA, look at what is happening to the United Methodist Church. These Churches are spiritually *dead.* There may be *a few* Christians left in their ranks but the Gospel is not to be found in those churches teachings. Those people are Christian in spite of their affiliation not because of it.
@@antimattercarp2720 I'm aware of that and sympathetic to his idea (even if I'm not sold on it). But ranking Presbyterianism S-Tier or Episcopalianism/Anglicanism A-Tier while ~75% of the churches that claim to follow those traditions are essentially heretical is disingenuous and demonstrates a disconnection from reality.
The churches that spun off into heresy and liberalism are getting ranked as S-Tier and A-Tier while the denominations that have mostly resisted those things are rated lower. If that is what you are putting out there you should be worried that your priorities are in the wrong place.
Whoa! Did Zoomer just do an altar call? As a Presbyterian? Maybe he was secretly Baptist this whole time 🤔
And him ranking them below Catholics was just to throw them off?
What’s an altar call
Zoomer is one week from becoming -Catholic- -Lutheran- Baptist
@@1mol831in a baptist church after service normally we have a time of prayer and allows people the chance to go up and kneel at the alter to pray
Thank you for the fair description of Pentecostalism. Yes it’s true there are a lot of heresies like word of faith that tend to be Pentecostal. But there are very thoughtful biblically sound people within Pentecostalism like Mike Winger and Michael Brown.
I have to disagree respectfully,Quakers absolutely believe in the essential Christian doctrines, we absolutely have church structure, the only difference I've seen is that we have a time of silence and meditation after the sermon to contemplate Gods word and hear the Holy Spirit. Im not sure what Quaker meeting you went to.
Thanks for the oat brand by the way bud.
34:00 this is wrong, I don't know where you found that, but in no way do Orthodox people reject theology 😳 We believe that everything has a reason and that God created this world for the humans to prosper in his image, with free will, striving to reach the humility and philanthropy of Jesus as much as we can. Just because Orthodox theology doesn't have the same themes as the Catholic one does, it doesn't mean that there is no theology. In fact theology is a Greek word, it started off as a thing in Orthodox Greece 😂
Also, the sciences were a big thing for the Orthodox World as well. You are forgetting the School of Magnavra, the first modern-style university in Europe and the World, which opened in Constantinople. People studied theology, linguistics, agriculture, maths, physics, law and all the other things that would explain and facilitate the spread of Christianity. That's how Christianity was spread North, to the Slavs.
It's a superficial view to say that the Orthodox people don't do science, just because we were under Muslim rule for so many centuries. It was the fault of the Catholics afterall, they betrayed us and threw us into oblivion
Orthodox created the Theology that every other church follow
Maybe listen to papal authority next time and you won't get dunked on so hard. 😉
@@buckarooben7635 Ahahaha good one. By the same logic we should have listened to the Muslims during the Ottoman Empire. If only strength is what made our faith, we wouldn't be Christians but Pagans still. God sends us challenges and we must remain strong in our faith. The Kingdom of God doesn't belong to the rich and strong, but to the poor and downtrodden. For God is justice, and he sees and knows everything.
God bless 🙏
@@AW27007 pretty much, the basics at least. The Catholics changed some stuff up and all the other splinter denominations have been more "creative" in their interpretations. But the basis is the Unitary Church, the Orthodox one
@@buckarooben7635 do you the bible verse where Jesus said that?
I'm a Pentecostal and I had to laugh when I saw how low you put us. LOL. Everything you said makes sense when looking at it as a whole and from an outside perspective. But I'm also glad you admitted that individual Pentecostals can be great (and by extension I would like to add, an individual Pentecostal church can be great).
I grew up in non-denominational churches. And I chose to become Pentecostal after much Biblical study, prayer, and research. It was actually the theology of the Pentecostal church that won me over and gave me so many answers and life solutions. A Pentecostal church can be heaven on earth if done right. Unfortunately this is a rare find.
A note on the music: Pentecostal worship music has a different purpose than traditional hymnal music. If you try to use Pentecostal worship music like you would hymns, it won't work and you will be left feeling like the music is badly written and produces unhelpful worship. Hymns are meant to state theological truths as a reminder to the congregation and a thanksgiving to God. Pentecostal worship aims to usher in the presence of God so that the congregants can experience and meet God through the worship time. I seek to connect with God and be changed, and my affections to be centered all the more on Him. Most Pentecostal songs are very repetitive. I (and many others) don't always sing all the words because we're praying to God during worship (sometimes in tongues). During this time the altar is open for people to kneel and seek God. Since the two types of music are aiming to do different things, they are produced differently.
I do think there is a difference between contemporary worship and actual Pentecostal worship music, because contemporary is just taking the style from the Pentecostals, but may not have the spiritual depth to actually be warranted to be used in worship. Good Pentecostal churches are actually really picky about what worship songs to use and don't just use whatever's popular on Christian radio. And I don't think it's a good thing for so many churches to have replaced their hymns with contemporary worship (at least the non-denominational ones I know have). Because they are treating contemporary worship as the same style as the hymns and that isn't their purpose. So they are just standing there singing watered down theology.
As a "somewhat" Methodist (I'm from an atheist family but i attended Methodist service before and very much considering conversion) I'm cool with being in the B tier. Also thanks for putting Jehovah Witnesses in the F tier.
Its rediculous that he put non-denominational in D teir. It lacks widespread structure, therefore less excitement and less feeling of being everpresent in life (grand churches, grand ceremonies, rituals, etc) but he admitted the non-denominationals were the "most compassionate about faith" and they don't allow intermediaries to become too strong. Its abeliever-Bible-Christ bound with pastors as teachers/helpers. But most pure channel of faith, no arts rituals etc unless mentioned in Bible
You opinion on baptising Children is clearly not scriptural and based on that you have positioned churches that baptise children as the better churches and that is absolutely shocking.
I thought you would’ve used scripture as the standard not your opinion to rank the churches.
Its not found in scripture but Christians since at least the 3d century were practicing it. Its not a bad thing really. I got Baptised as a baby into Roman Catholism and the Baptised again at 12 into a Non-denom. (Baptist/Pentacostal mixed based church) then Baptised into a fully Pentacostal church at 18 then went back to a non-denom, I always just lumped all Protestants together as Christians.🤷🏻♂️
Anyway Jesus is King.
Anglican architecture is beautiful. Most if not all of the Anglican churches in my country look like if they combine a Small scale catholic cathedral with a medieval castle. Plus the stained glass depictions of the different events such as the birth, death, resurrection are truly amazing, COPE AND SEETHE ICONOCLASTS!!!
Almost all the Anglican churches were expropriated from the Catholic Church during the Protestant Reformation.
Anglicanhere, which country.? I must see
@@kellyrhoads1067 Barbados, just search for any of our parish churches.
Being raised Catholic and having to take theology classes growing up, I feel like more emphasis was placed on purgatory than mortal sin. I have never heard anything about mortal sin aside from blasphemy of the holy spirit. From my understanding, those in Hell will be those who outright reject God and Christ, and those who reject what they've done is a sin. If you're aware that you've sinned, purgatory is where you stay to repent, but will eventually go to Heaven. Very few people will go directly to Heaven or Hell, purgatory is where most will be until we understand why our actions were wrong.
Yeah he definitely misunderstood the catholic church
I am surprised that you put Baptist below Catholic and it seems like it has a lot to do with your criticism of celebrity pastors, which I am not a fan of either, but the Pope is the biggest "celebrity" in the world as far a head of a church. Also, I think there are things that come along with Catholicism that could be argued are anti-biblical. Both sides of my family are Catholic so I'm not a Catholic hater but I just think that between Baptists and Catholics the Baptists are more on the right track. Just my opinion. God bless you. I love your channel! I always learn something from your videos. 😊
If you have any questions, I would recommend going to Catholic Answers on any search engine. Also, I am open to any questions you have about Catholicism!! God bless brother 👊
Thanks bro. Catholism is the best@@true_catholic
18:53 hi, but the bible says faith without works is dead, am i wronh?
Baptists below Catholics?? Because of celebrity preachers?
You had mentioned you'd be biased but i had hoped you'd place more emphasis on theology/ doctrine than architecture, traditions or individual preachers.
My Church (Church of the Servant in Grand Rapids Michigan) intentionally chose, during its founding, not to spend a lot of its resources on the building, but attempted to create a beautiful space regardless. To my perspective, it looks amazing-we have stained glass and some light decoration-but feel free look up the church, I kinda wanna know what you all think of it
On God one of the most ugly buildings ever, what is that a shopping mall?
and this is coming from a guy who's church literally meets at a bowling alley.
From the online resources I could find, it seems like CoS is leaning more and more into "Progressive Liberal" ideology, though it referred to the CRC Synod 2022 HSR and others, it appears that the Grand Rapids CoS does not strictly hold to such reports. What does your church teach, for example, considering human sexuality? Gender? Gender roles? (The hot button topics that show how someone views God's Word on these matters versus The Worldly perspective-driven interpretation)
If you can’t get basic Christian sexual ethics right, then the beauty of your space is not particularly relevant.
Pentecostal worship leader here. I can say that I have never spoken in tongues, never really seen a huge manifestation of the holy spirit. Adhere heavily to the sacraments and true belief in the trinity. However there are a lot of other ones that really like to "test the spirit." The churches are really hit or miss. Of course that is unfortunately the situation that foregoing structure brings us to. The doctrine is pretty much what the elders and the preacher dictate in a lot of cases.
If you don’t speak in tongues, then what makes you Pentecostal?
What Pentecostal demonation are you in?
@@dichterdenker3111They’re most likely a Charismatic that goes to a Pentecostal church or a person who grew up in a Pentecostal church but developed less strict beliefs around “initial evidence.” Charismatic Christians who are found in many Evangelical and Protestant traditions are similar to Pentecostal; they believe that modern day miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit like healing, speaking in tongues, prophecy, discernment, etc. are still in operation today (a.k.a. Continuationism) but in very slight contrast to Pentecostals, emphasize that not everybody has these gifts and that the Holy Spirit will give these gifts to certain Christian in accordance with the will of God on an as-needed basis.
Usually Continuationist/Charismatic Baptists and Mennonites, etc. would join a Pentecostal church if other churches around them are Cessationist.
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It really does not matter as most of the Pentecostal Churches that were not swept away in the Latter Rain of the 40s and early 50s were snared by its Charismatic heirs. This is why the Assemblies of God is spawning churches like Hillsong and Bethel. Most Trinitarian Pentecostal churches have become entirely charismatic and less than half their pastors have spoken in tongues, and the story is nearly as bad in the Church of God (Cleveland, TN) and its many daughters.
I am not attempting to demean the creator of this thread, but he is a "never was" in a "used to be".
@@jayt9608 I pretty much grew up in a broadly Evangelical church setting, mostly in a Charismatic Baptist denomination that’s in full communion with Pentecostal, Charismatic Mennonite, and Charismatic Lutheran denomination but I’ve been going to Assemblies of God (Pentecostal) churches lately for English-language service because that the most similar I could find although not an official member.
I believe I’ve probably met other Charismatics at Assemblies of God churches or sponsored ministries (college ministry, etc.); one I met was a Charismatic Methodist and he led discipleship/Bible studies.
As a Catholic, I was told that Calvinists believe God choses who he saves and who he punishes after death, and therefore that he doesn't love all humans, is it really true?
Hey I’m a 17 year old Catholic, and in the last couple of months I’ve been diving deeper into theology and the Bible. You’ve helped me learn a lot of things zoomer and for that I’m grateful, I pray that the Lord our God blesses you. I’ve been spreading the word of God to many friends and family I’ve even managed to help some, all this I’ve done by the power of the holy spirit. I’m asking all of you brothers and sisters to pray for me and my family, I’m trying to help change the secularism that has over taken my house hold. God willing I can change this, I know that the Lord will not abandon us. God bless you all🙏🏻.
Hey I’m 15 brother, and you are doing amazing. I would recommend “C.A.R.E” by GabiAfterHours. That video changed me for the better. Also, I would recommend a small challenge. Try to learn how to tie rosaries with barrel knots on twine. I’m going to fold a few during the weekend and my free time and hand them out at school. We may be teenagers but we can make huge changes in our schools and homes. If I can do it, you %100000000000 can do it. Let’s change the world through God. God Bless 👊 , and VIVA LA CRISTO REY 👑