Flipping And Pitching Is Now A Worthless Bass Fishing Technique Because Of THIS…
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- Randy talks about the downfall of flipping…#fishingdaily #angler #bassfishing #bass #fish #fishinglife #catchandrelease #fishing #fishingtrip
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People who have never flipped a lure in a bush or lay down and experienced the rush of the bite, hook set and explosion, they are missing the best experience fishing has to offer.
Other than topwater frogging....
Absolutely top water and definitely pitching and flipping
For real
Top water frogging or having a musky come eat your bass 😊
THIS the absolute thrill of flipping & pitching is amazing.
I remember taking my first bait caster out to the backyard and practicing flipping/pitching to buckets.
Hell yeah while daddy had a natural lite in his hand and hit a tin can on his tenth beer 😂😂 @tab4593
Yes, for hours and hours. This technique revealed to me I was actually ambidextrous. I learned I could pitch and flip faster down a shoreline because I didn’t have to change hands to engage my reel. I also learned I wasn’t missing as many fish due to having to change hands.
I agree with you, but there are us few who from day one thought FFS was cheating and refuse to fish tournaments for that reason! Thank you for fighting the fight against it!
I quit my club and actually all watching of all tournaments over it. Tired of seeing the rich guys brag about their boats and now their 25k in electronics. And h don’t want my kids to see that.
Don’t flip out, Randy! Most of us fish for fun, not for profit.
He's already done flipped out
Exciting to see some tournaments banning FFS. I boat captain for a high school fishing team and to watch other boats with two youth anglers on the front staring down at a screen is heartbreaking. Fishing is about getting away from the screens and enjoying all that is around you.
It’s worse watching their adult boat captain pointing and telling them where to cast. I see plenty of that too.
Competitive fishing is about catching fish. There are many ways to get away from the screen. I imagine you are ok with regular fish finder screens and I doubt you leave your phone in your vehicle when you are on your boat.
@@MichaelBecker-jn8yi do you have a point? It would still be about catching fish without that black box and the multiple screens and transducers too. Personally I don’t care much what they do on the elite levels, but in these events where scholarships are at stake and sponsorships that can launch young anglers into the next level and a career…. Well I will put it this way. The guy who won AOY and ROY in 2000 and just retired from the BPT last year was able to cut his tournament fishing teeth in a 17 foot aluminum boat with me… I worked to build a couple of youth leagues and get high school programs started so kids could have opportunities that we only dreamed about. Neither of us did that so big money could guarantee those opportunities went to kids who need them the least. Daddy’s money has always bought some advantages but that it’s now basically buying scholarships and opportunities that more deserving kids need is not what the guys who were working toward and talking about building the sport 30-40 years ago were aiming for. Local boat dealers hiring a couple of college kids part time and providing them a basic demo to fish the opens is a thing of the past… because somewhere along the way we stopped trying to grow the sport and just started growing the business. This is an extension of that. As a fisherman, a businessman, and a father… we need to get back to creating opportunities for young anglers rather than adding obstacles. That’s the real story here and I’m saying that as an open water angler who loves his electronics.
@@MichaelBecker-jn8yiI feel like I'm livescoping watching TH-cam videos on my phone. I'm thinking about ripping the TV off the wall because cable TV is a lost art. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone in these bass boats lol.
@@Appalachias_Son FFS is in no way anything like using a drone. A drone is an actual video or picture. FFS is a sonar image. You do not know exactly what it is you see. Have you actually used FFS? I have watched many of the best anglers in the world have something bite their lure and hear them say “I hope it’s a bass”. Then watch them pull up a drum, or catfish, or striped, or crappie, or other. In using a drone on Elk you are going to be sure it’s an elk and not wonder and then end up with a bear or a rabbit. Please use some facts before putting out your angst and hate for something you don’t understand
Pitchin and flippin is one of my all time favorite techniques, keep up the good fight Randy
The Toyota Series at Clear Lake was just won with a flipping stick, no graphs. The Bass Nation Qualifier on the Arkansas River was just won without FFS.
I’m older than you Randy and fish club, weekend and Tuesday night tournaments. Most of them are one day events and I still win about every 10th tournament I fish flipping. 30 years ago I won more often but really haven’t seen much difference since ffs came along. When I catch 5 big fish on a jig I win and usually know it before I weigh in. What happens at the highest level doesn’t necessarily translate to the weekend angler and I think ffs hurts as many guys as it helps.
Based off recent results, it appears you’re absolutely correct. Pitching is my favorite technique and I’ve won many tournaments doing so. Appears that’s a dying art form.
Ya apparently dropping Ned rigs and ice fishing is the new trend.
I challenge Randy to take this further. Randy I agree with you. You’ve had a huge career and know so many contacts. Why don’t you organize non live scope tournaments with big prize money and anglers that believe in your cause?? Seems to me it’s pretty easy to get everyone with a go pro, using top water techniques, flipping pitching, cranking, jerk baits, spinners witch is what people want to see. Plus you instantly weed out the tech rats. Your a bass randy, livescopers are bottom feeder suckers.
It's not dying at all , the fish are still there to be caught.
I remember back when Aaron Martins would get on his knees to hide from a bass while sight fishing, that was great to watch on TV, now the water can be milk chocolate and they catch bedding fish looking down at the screen, the art of fishing is gone!
Jason Christie won the Classic last year flipping a 5/8 oz War Eagle Jig in conjunction with his Yum FFS minnow. Combination of old school power fishing and new school. He adapted to the technology and now has a Classic Trophy. He likes to flip and pitch as much as anybody but he is smart enough to understand what it takes to win right now. You can do both and be competitive in the right situations. Ask Jason if flipping and pitching is a waste of time.
Don't care what tournaments are doing ... flipping is still a devastating technique , just ask Mikey Balzz how many 5+ lb bass he catches doing that
Mikey catches nothing flipping
@@michaelmcclenon6663 I'm guessing you've never watched his channel or likely even know who he is ...
He was catching monsters at The Big O flipping before there ever was such things as side scan, power poles, 360, FFS and even 4-stroke engines ...
Hope your joking@@michaelmcclenon6663
@@michaelmcclenon6663Mikey slays
Clear Lake MLF was just won flipping.
Yep and I believe he had an 11 lb or so
Ya he was the only one flipping too
Bradley Hallman… his core skill was in flipping and pitching. As we saw he actually “quit” fishing professionally. You cannot beat the FFS scoping method in a tournament.
Big Randall with another intuitive “I lay in bed at night and think about ways to beat this dead horse”.
Why is it worthless??? Maybe in tournaments because the NORM now is a majority video game fishing, but some still Flip and Pitch. And Yes, I retire in June and will definitely become a member then! It's worth the expense for your experienced knowledge. Denny Brauer was a Masterclass flipper, as was TBiffle. GHackney also is a Masterclass Flipper. But I agree, it takes time, effort and true angling experience to Flip and Pitch.... It's tedious, stealthy, harrowing, and requires total concentration and extyremem patience...And I'm not very good at Flipping and Pitching, but I keep trying. 🙃Today's new anglers, like the newer generations, don't have the patience, and the new anglers don't have the desire to learn to Flip and Pitch...They want instant gratification and the way to do that is Video Game fishing.
Boy you said it there, instant gratification only. Happy retirement buddy!
Then there are guys like Paul Elias that was a master off shore using a carolina rig.....
He was the crankbait guy
@clay7514 yes he was..but he would switch between the two on a deep water bite and was very successful
@@careyfaulkner7293 I’m sure he did I just don’t recall him usin it
Comparing yourself to native Americans while using a 20’ fiberglass boat that runs 80mph , gps , braided line , side imaging and depth finding is the most hilarious thing I’ve heard today dude 😂😂😂😂
Lol. Randy gonna be getting himself a casino next.
Only chance flipping and/or pitching would have potential against the video gamers, is if the body of water is flooded & pushed alot of fish up shallow in the cover
And they no longer run the wishbone accept at the military academies
Well, I plan on wasting a LOT of time in the future!!!
Me too!
So am I!
The way everything always and continuously evolves and changes I suspect someday (maybe sooner than you think) FFS won't be the dominant winning technique......it will become obsolete too.
Randy, comparing FFS to using a scope is way out of touch. FFS would be comparable to hunting at night with thermals.
No ffs is like “hunting” with a drone in the air. Is it illegal to fly a drone and look for deer probably not. But it’s wrong. In Alaska for example it’s a law that you can’t fly and hunt on the same day. It puts the animals at unfair advantage because the person is flying their plane around looking for a better spot to hunt but when they see something they want they say “we’ll land close by because what we’re after is right here” it’s a reason Alaska put a stop to that because it’s wrong. Just like FFS
I was hoping somebody caught that. Sometimes he just goes entirely too far. Hunting long range with a scope takes some serious skill to take the animal down. Round placement is not as easy as just looking down the scope. That was a very ignorant comment. I recently started pitching and flipping. I respect the art form of doing so but I really couldn’t learn it until I got a boat. There’s no need for it fishing from the bank most of your fishing life. This FFS hate has Randy going extreme on damn near everything. I guess we need to go back to washing our clothes in a stream with a wash board because these darn front loading washing machines are the devil. What’s next, electric fillet knives vs non electric fillet knives. Everything does not have to be compared to FFS.
@djboogiejay1616 yes this obsession with FFS has taken over his ability to reason. We are trying to increase the number of young people and kids in the outdoors. Fishing, hunting, shooting anyway they enjoy it. These negative rants always linking FFS need to be commented on and are not helping our sports.
@@djboogiejay1616long range shooting is difficult. So many variables to take into account; however, the variable of the animal sensing you has all but been eradicated when they are 1000 yards away. Heck half the time they will look at you and go back to feeding having no idea that they are in danger. FFS takes some skill as well. The act of fishing and having connectivity to your bait and having some degree of understanding as to how your lure is behaving and the subtle changes that signify a bit are negated when you can watch an electronic representation of the activities underwater in real time. It’s not a magic wand, but it’s far from historic fishing. Much like shooting an elk at 1000 yards with a 300 PRC after dialing 20 clicks on your night force compared to a 300 mag and a cross reticle, no turret, at 350 yards. They simply aren’t the same. It’s a different skill set and a set that a “hunter” or “fisherman” can’t acquire rapidly without intimate knowledge of the animal or fish and his gear.
So are you suggesting everyone should sell their boat and give up fishing? All I hear is FFS did this FFS did that, sport is ruined, man, my 12 yr old nephew says it's the best time in his life still beating the bank. So what gives?
Why do you always say im not insulting the guys doing FFS, its the leagues faults... and then turn around and say they should be ashamed of themselves and they arent really fishing and cant fish any other way. You routinely insult people who use it.
Well as usual those are some bold statements, but you've convinced me. I am going to spend a lot of time pitching and flipping and become good at that.
When I was 10 years old we would walk the bank and drop a live worm into very heavy weeds and catch palm-sized bluegill and crappie. We called it dipping and thought we invented something.
Great point . Almost makes you ask the question “ what’s the point of even having a casting rod and reel if all you need is sonar and a spinning rod? “
I still buy Denny Brauer PMJ 3/8 & 1/2 by the dozens the start of each year and pair it with Zoom Super Chunk/JR...That is the only Jig I have ever used. It's my #1 Confidence Lure...And Brauer and Biffle were the masters...Great Job Randy...
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Amen 🇺🇸
I love the analogy of a "hunter" versus a "killer", thank you! I had no idea of the negative impact of electronics on the sport until I recently subscribed to the channel. I'd describe this as bass fishing's "steroid era".
I would think, if pro's are no longer P&F, that will leave more of those fish for your everyday angler. I would encourage Randy to keep those techniques in his vids so us regular people can take advantage of this phenomenon.
Great breakdown. That's how it's explained
So now you’re not a true hunter if you shoot an animal at a couple hundred yards with a scope ?? Native Americans pushed animals off cliffs for food and they would’ve gladly taken a modern rifle if they had a chance .
What do you think a Native American would thing about your 250 hp outboard and bait caster ?
It’s time to admit technology has passed you up the way you used to fish is no longer relevant. Your whole argument is just getting more and more sad
So much for “just accept the advancing technology “ nonsense. There are so many directions technology can improve, just because technology is going one direction doesn’t justify it is the right direction. How it is used also matters a ton. Chemical weapon is one type of technology, function gain research to weaponize virus is a super advanced technology…apparently we cannot embrace these just because they are also technology. There are bottom lines. FFS is not comparable to any existing “technology “ in fishing to date, it has changed fishing fundamentally and has crossed that bottom line.
Great comment. He lost me a while ago, now it's too much negativity, trying to find any analogy to be relevant. Now FFS hurts Flippin, its crazy. Uses terms like, native Americans, student of the game, Real fishing techniques, hunting comparisons that are just ignorant. Should be promoting fishing for kids and young people.
If FFS is going to take a ton of anglers away from shallow bass, shouldn’t everyone that loves flipping and pitching be excited that those fish are getting way less pressure?
Did you see the tournament on Lake Lanier the TAA there was no forward facing sonar and it was all done in the shallow water why aren't you on top of all that
Because it doesn’t fit his narrative regarding his FFS crusade.
Trolling works better for bass fishing. Keeping fish in livewells and then to a weigh in is the worst possible thing to do. 70% die and they are the big spawners. Catch weigh or measure and release.
I absolutely love flipping and I feel that as long as John Cox is fishing tournaments there is a small chance of a tournament being won doing it.
You’re dead wrong about flipping winning ever again. A blown out flooded muddy lake where the fish move into the buck brush! Game on!
I'm a professional bowling coach and not only the easy lanes but reactive resin bowling balls with dynamic weight blocks to make them automatically hook
I wondered how they got the ball to hook like that every time.
In Sweden, the people who are livescoping in fishing tournaments compete in a different class these days. The differences in the results are too great, so there had to be some kind of separation.
Speaking of flipping, I’m on the Pascagoula River for the first time today, because I have a ABA tournament in two weeks. I have never seen this place before. I was thinking about you because I know you have some history here. Perfect timing for this video!
Damn Randy, you going after deer hunters using rifles and scopes now?
Hunting in tree forts
I was on board somewhat with the ffs stuff but the more he talks the more I think he’s just desperate for the “good ol’ days”. If you wanna compare hunting the way Indians did to fishing, then I’m sure they didn’t catch their fish flipping and pitching. Getcha a bamboo pole and a string.
@@Bassnbanjos ground up walnut husk
@@Bassnbanjos you can flip and pitch with a bamboo....
@@gregkuhn7123 right lol it’d be tough to do off of your hand carved canoe though
I quit following Randy a year or so back. I decided to give him another try. If he would do more actual fishing videos, not just tips and tricks, then maybe I would stick around. This extremism, way left leaning, and obsession of FFS has lead me to quit following this channel AGAIN. I understand everything he is trying to say but this is to the extreme. I have FFS and hardly ever use it. It is at the ready if I want to. I just don’t like the bashing of other fishermen and him saying that they don’t know how to fish without it. They had to get started somewhere and I bet it wasn’t with FFS the first time they went out on a boat to fish. Randy sounds more like a whiny old man that is too stubborn to learn technology and bitch about not being able to figure it out. I’m done with Randy. He reminds me of the KAREN that is standing at his/her dock saying you can’t fish there on a public lake. Get off your soapbox and either learn it or start winning tournaments to prove your point. You, Randy, start putting more actual fishing videos out, like you used to, and I will come back. Until then, good luck.
see ya!
Left leaning?? You sound like the leftist using the Karen bit. The left is the ones who started that.
So you're saying you cant catch 25lbs and win a tournament anymore because of ffs? 😅 Just because fishing has changed doesn't mean the fish have.
You need pitching for scoping. Gotta pitch that minnow out there.
I mean, tournaments will definitely still be won flipping. I definitely think it’s relevance has lessened but it’s still a valid technique. I won a tournament last year, flipping a jig in grass almost exclusively for 2 days. I had 21.5lbs of Smallie on day 1, and 23 on day 2. I also won one with livescope. Won a lot of money last year, and it was half and half.
Also Randy, the Native American ethical hunter thing is a myth. We (yes, Im speaking as a 1/2 native treaty Indian) were happy to use any method we could, including running buffalo over cliffs.
Im a bow hunter but hunting is about food and killing from 1000 yards or 10 yards, a successful hunt is a successful hunt.
Also, you clearly don’t understand hunting. Anyone can get close to a moose, elk, or buffalo. Even deer isn’t hard is wind is right, but plenty of animals require distance shooting. Come hunting sheep in the Canadian Rockies at our cabin in the Yukon. See if you aren’t happy for a level 500 yard shot ar a sheep or mountain goat.
“Distance shooting isn’t hunting” is an ignorant take not shared by those in the hunting community, only by critics who have no experience with it.
Well said. His ignorance on this was front and center.
i’ve been learning how to pitch as a bank angler now i’m doing it so much my sidearm and overhand casting is deteriorating lol but i love it so much i am more confident i can put baits where i want them even if im no where near accurate i feel more in control especially from banks where i have no clearance just about anywhere like “roll cast only” type situation on creeks and stream banks
really feels like im hunting bass (and bowfins) and presenting to them so hopefully the technique never truly dies and all the scopers really do enjoy it when money is not on the line
Pitch and fishing tournament
Went away way before livescoping
Consistency and to get that bite every day that is what is challenging Randy.
Shallow fish just take a while to reload. You can still catch 20 lb up there or when it’s flooded in the spring and early summer.
Flipping grass mats work year around.
Randy, would you want to ban tournament fishing? I'm constantly hearing about going back to traditional fishing. Traditional fishing would be just going back to the old row boats, and cane poles. Every "sport" evolves. If not through technology, through more training and physical ability and. Better techniques . As professional in any sport they will use what is available. I don't think banning anything is the answer. Certain limits may be. When we as a nation start banning small thing it will become larger things and freedoms. Just my opinion, as yours are just your opinions.
He just wants to go back to when he was relevant. I get it trust me, we all would love to stop the merry go round and enjoy our prime time days again but unfortunately everything changes. I’m not saying I like the FFS trend because I don’t,I don’t have it on my boat and probably won’t. Randy wants everyone to see things his way or else you’re just gonna be wrong. I can’t blame him for wanting things like they used to be but to compare pro fishing to the way the natives hunted is a bit of a stretch lol.
I always put the most money in my flipping rig. I've been flipping since the mid 80's. I started with a 7' Lew Childre and Sons 'Lew's Laser SG' and BB1NG reel, spooled with 20lb blue Stren. And I caught a ton of fish. Then, Team Daiwa came out. I had the 7'6" Denny Brauer Flippin & Pitching rod, the SIX power. On it, I had the old Quantum 4.4:1 Flipping & Pitching reel, spooled with 20lb blue Stren. And I caught a ton of fish. Finally, I discovered G.Loomis. With a hematoma Sweet Beaver and 1oz tungsten, I still catch a ton of fish.
Randy you seem like a nice enough guy but you’re really making some stretches. Ken Mah just won the MLF on Clearlake flipping. The Won Bass will be there next week and my bet is most of the top ten will be doing the same thing or throwing a swim bait. Spot lighting as you call it does not work in every situation. It’s going to be more relative at certain lakes and specific times of the year. There hav been so many things over the years that we’re going to ruin bass fishing and none of them have. On another note If you were really a true hunter you would just use your bare hands because that’s what cave men did and they pre date the Native Americans who were using the advanced technology of bows and arrows.
Ohhhh please!! Don't blame it all on "spotlighting" it fell off when guys discovered off shore fishing. Which was "spotlighting" before "spotlighting"
Find something better to do with your time bud
Watched a weigh-in at a pro tournament in Yuma , Az on Friday. Big fish, a 9.54, was caught flippin’. I understand what you are saying regarding winning tournaments because of FFS, but as a useful techniques for fun and challenge, I still think it has a place in fishing.
A month ago the Toyota MLF tournament was won by Ken Mah on Clear Lake flipping a jig and a soft plastic creature bait. I told you this the last time you brought this up.
Facts that don’t fit his narrative are ignored.
Biffle became irrelevant years before Livescope even came out. His only salvation for a couple of years was throwing the Biffle Bug on a wobble head. He resisted finesse fishing and dropshotting and got his teeth kicked in because he was not willing to change and adapt. If a situation arose that was conducive to flipping, he was ok. Other than that, he wasn’t competitive because he didn’t adapt and wanted to beat the bank all day with his flippin stick. Matt Herran essentially said the same thing about Biffle. Biffle is a great angler but unwilling to put more techniques in his arsenal to remain competitive and thus he became a non factor.
I've been a flounder gigging guide for 23 years and flipped for many a giant bass out of trees and brush the anticipation and thud on the rod and the fight to get it out of heavy cover is a rush. I support and agree with everything you say about ffs. Your a the for front of the battle to save the bass fishing industry I see it. The ones that are promoting it don't
I like to flip and pitch. But a topwater frog bite is what fires me up. They absolutely kill it.
Thankfully I still fish the old school way,canoe local smaller lakes,ponds and rivers where no boats with motors can go,I flip, pitch,crank, spinner bait,and fish plastics The same way I have been doing since the early 80s, Just like ,Dance,Huston,Martin,Braur,clunn,Nixon And All the rest of my bass Heroes and I catch lots of bass and plenty of hogs,with no electronics,one trolling motor And by reading and knowing the waters I fish,True skill,pure fun And a real sense of accomplishment read,watch,listen hunt ,fish catch,Very rewarding,Bass fishing yoday is a lost Art!
I punch,and pitch, scissor flip occasionally, and it's a killer bite, if you get on one, similar to a nice jig bite!💥🎣🤙🤠
It’s so damn obvious the mystery of bass fishing that we’ve loved about the sport is now trashed by FFS. Tech to this point has allowed anglers to find fish, but you still had the mystery to “FISH” for them. (2D is a weak contradiction ) We’re literally in the “asterisk” era of the sport! It blows my mind that anglers call the FFS tech professional! Yes, we all know that it is not easy to master the spotlighting tech, but it still is what it is. “A tech that allows real time fish/lure interaction”. A tech, once mastered, undoubtedly is a shortcut to success!
Another positive fishing video that encourages young children and kids to fish anyway that is fun for them and enjoy the great outdoors. We are trying to increase the number of younger Americans to enjoy fishing and hunting and its great now that pointing out that the way they hunt is not as good. Long range shooting and hunting is bringing many children into the shooting sports and growing outdoor participation.
Better to teach them tracking skills
Randy I don’t think you know what spotlighting means you should look it up and if pitching and flipping was so dominant it should of been outlawed sound familiar
Archery is the same way , on 300 spot league to shoot a perfect score 15 years ago was really difficult, now days with the new sights , bows and release aids, It’s no longer 300 it’s how many x you get , ffs sonar is the same , 100 % agree
Um I think we know your stance on ffs. But what happened to all these flipping bass? Is livescope actually calling the fish off the bank?
You are right on target. I am still learning how to pitch and flip. I am 77 years old and have the right equipment but trying to learn. I love this type of fishing but still Texas rigging and being too stupid not to pick up my pitching rod. Shame on me. Keep it up Randy. This FFS and livescope should be outlawed.
Dustin Connell just admitted he prefers regular fishing to "soaking a minnow". And he won because he HAD TO SCOPE TO WIN.
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So
Calling it worthless is over the top.
Living on the Ca. Delta I got to spend a lot of time talking and fishing with Dee Thomas. Now with the forward facing sonar, would you agree that using an under water camera when flipping and pitching would be better than pinging the fish with sonar. That would level the playing field would it not?
Randy, with all your experience and connections in the industry would you ever consider trying to start a new tournament circuit? Something that required low tech old school fishing? Not sure how feasible it would be
I'm not a pro fishermen but the lakes. I fish are wood oriented I love to throw a jig or Texas rig I get such a rush dragging big fish out of cover
Please!!!!!!!! I catch huge amounts of fish flipping and pitching. Never caught a fish on a ned rig yet
Yea “pitching a flipping” you mean sight fishing. anyone can do that. You have to know how to work the Ned or it’s going to roll and not do what it’s supposed too
@@willbutler2639 I do not fish for bed fish , flipping and pitching in thick stuff most people could not do , you need to pick your spots
Well now you lost me. Pitching is a art form and hunting with scopes is not true hunting. I was on board but geeze man now your just loosing your mind over this.
It definitely takes some skill learning to pitch skip and put your baits perfectly where you want them. That's what always gave a nonscoper the edge, being able to cast better. There are still some lakes that have a lot of these bass that scopers can't see. Mostly the lakes with 6-12 inch vis. And abundant flooded wood-cover.
To me, nothing beats bottom fishin. Especially, flippin, pitchin and even more intimate for me, dragging a football jig.
Frankly this FFS Stuff has me thinking about getting me a Fairy Wand and just Trout Fishing
LOL! I call em 'sissy sticks'
@@gregkuhn7123 fishing for them cold water Carp is much cheaper all you need is Dough Balls and Garlic. And you can use the Garlic to cook them!
There has to be some sort of compromise. I think it would be fine to use to find fish during practice, but once the tournament starts, it should not be allowed.
Randy, keep up the good fight. You absolutely hit the nail on the head with this one. Watching BASS is boring. Everybody “throwing” the same lures. Kudos to the guys who put in the years of fishing to get to where they are. I hate that professional fishing has become what it is.
A larger question is. Are those bass still there? Or even more accessible because most guys are using ffs out deep. ?
Hand to fin combat…love it!
Go back and look at the tournament that was on Lake Lanier recently, old school, put on by the touring anglers Association. Sure was quite a few anglers that are great at using FFS that finished well ! Heck one of them even won it. So yes, my point is those who know how to use FFS can still do it old-school ! Come on in Randy the water is fine !
Then they should know livescope is 🗑️ and has and will further negatively affect bass fishing as a whole.p
Let’s go back to the late 80’s and have some fun
Ok, can I have my hair back too? Lol
@@NonTypicalRacing it’s overrated
I remember when people wanted flipping banned because it was too dominant of a technique...can we get a comment on that?
what people?
@gregkuhn7123 When Dee Thomas invented the technique, or at least popularized it, there was instant backlash due to his success. The technique is the reason there are length limits on fishing rods at BASS. That being said, people adapted and learned and now it's an integral part of bass fishing, as Randy points out. Just because something is new and strange (and highly effective) doesn't mean it's bad.
Trust me. No native Indian was concerned about the "sportsmanship" of getting close. They were trying to kill an animal with an they had. Rocks, sticks, and sinew.
You're better off trying to get different classes of fishing regarding the electronics. Trying to ban ffs is just causing pushback. Leave it be and get a limited electronics class. Maybe only allow a gps and cellphone. No sounders at all. And then a unlimited class afterwards.
Randy, do you think it will come full circle and all the spotlighters , that the jig bite will once again come back ??
Yes you pitched / flipped the beds correct??
I’m going to pairs landing Kentucky lake this week. Where and how should I bass fish it.
I understand your angst for ffs and almost every video you do involves your angst for ffs, but how about you do videos on the old school techniques and do not even a mention ffs. It is like it is stuck in your head and we hear it over and over again like beating a dead horse. I'm staying with channel but everyday is ffs hate class instead of why you truly enjoy fishing and why. Thanks for you videos. Your bowling analogy is off base the masters had less than 10 with over 400 plus games. Oil patterns adjusted for technology
You might need to look up what a hunter is to
I suppose I can agree just a tiny bit but here if Florida Flipping and Pitching is huge and probably wins more tournaments than FFS does. Yes, I know a tournament was won with FFS on Okeechobee but that was a isolated incidence. My previous home was close to the upper Chesapeake Bay in Maryland. If you are not flipping and pitching there you are missing out. I don’t think Flipping and Pitching is a worthless technique.
Greg Hackney still does good flipping and pitching
I flipped up about 18lbs today fishing laydowns with a Texas rig. About as traditional as it gets.
So pretty much Randy just hates all technological advances
I used to love jig fishing and it's felt worthless for a long while now.
I know that you will probably not answer me. But what gives James Watson the right to have hats and shirts made with F B D embroidered on them and then go to the Bassmaster Classic and try to sell them. If I was in Boyd Duckett’s position James would never be allowed to fish any MLF tournament again.
Hey guys, was just wondering, Randy, did you enter that old school tournament on Lake Lanier?
If you fish the shallow lakes in Florida, flipping pads and grass is still a good technique. Spotlighting does not work as well in 6 foot or less.
Hey Randy! I agree with a lot of the things that you talk about on your channel but I must disagree with you on this one. Just came home from Fork and had one of the best trips that I have ever had. We turned our electronics off & just went pitching plastics in the holes of hydrilla that surprisingly is growing strong for this early in the year. Me & my partner caught several bass between 4-5# and our best went 9.3#.
You don't seem to understand "fishing" is not all about tournaments. Fishing has not changed because of FFS, tournaments have changed.
Obviously, you don’t get out on the lake much.
FFS is a detrimental trend in bass fishing, for sure. I don't think any logical bass fisherman could (or should) deny that. I realize there are those who use it recreationally, and that's fine. It's not "cheating" that way. It's just another tool in the toolbox for finding and catching bass. Thankfully, it is out of the most anglers price range. I fish out of kayaks mainly, and throwing a $4k FFS on my $2k kayak seems stupid.
That said, there are other tech advances in fishing that have pushed the sport further and further. Baitcasters for example. Would anglers from 3 decades old Abu Garcia 5000 on a pistol grip rod, think it was fair that they were up against someone using the latest Shimano Metatainium baitcaster on a specialized carbon rod? Point is some advances in tech are good, some not so much.
No Randy yes you can some times of the year shallow fishing will still keep up with FFS. Plus tournament organizers can schedule lakes that FFS does not really come into play plus sight fishing times do not require FFS! Ask John Cox!
nobody really pays me to fish: most I'm winnin' is a few hundred in a club tournament. So flippin' & pitchin' will be happenin' in my boat for many years' to come. It's such a solid way to catch big bass. And at least at my level- I know quality fish will hold in weeds more as more& more club& regional guys in my area go offshore & chase open water bass.