Drop Shot Length, Weight, and Bait Testing | Underwater Bass Fishing Rig Test

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  • @RevelsGang
    @RevelsGang 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Underwater reviews are needed for every bait out there. I have yet to use the drop shot but now know how! Thanks!!!

    • @scottleggejr
      @scottleggejr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That and you get what you pay for in production value. What I mean by this is cheap baits with a ton of variance in the manufacturing changes how the baits work. I've had a single unit of a make/model kill and the one in the box next to it never catch a fish.

  • @TheBasshunter12748
    @TheBasshunter12748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Dude your content is awesome! Straight to the point and not 15 minutes of teasers.

    • @Macdaddy8124U
      @Macdaddy8124U 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spot on Deck.....!! Well said!

  • @gregc7314
    @gregc7314 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Would love to see this underwater perspective on Ned rig and shakey head. And great work. This is so much better than any other underwater video I have seen.

    • @tamras8088
      @tamras8088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great idea! I’d also love to see the Ned rig and shakey head underwater.

  • @erinbussard8405
    @erinbussard8405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    If you could Show the action of the bait and you working rod at same time would be great. So we can see how you are moving rod to make bait move how it does on video.

    • @deuces2k
      @deuces2k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Erin Bussard was about say same. Cuz then we can see when working with slack line or rod 👍 great series

    • @AthanasiusCM919
      @AthanasiusCM919 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +1

    • @metamera
      @metamera 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd say the same. A picture in picture in one corner would be enough. Great video anyway.

  • @zootycoon246
    @zootycoon246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dang I’ve been fishing the drop shot now for 5 years. Thanks so much for the awesome tips. It took me a few years to figure out some of these tips and learned a lot more from this video

  • @waynehiggs7335
    @waynehiggs7335 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good work. Learnt more from this than anything else I’ve watched so far. It would be interesting to see how things change in flowing water

  • @sjkepner
    @sjkepner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Add a view of you working the rod with the under water footage so we can see how what you are doing impacts the bait. Love your videos!!

    • @rudorc
      @rudorc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really cool video. I’ve never drop shot for bass. But this video has planted some serious interest. Thanks!

  • @Tonympiotrowski
    @Tonympiotrowski 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    some of the best info on the net, your are doing and showing the things I would do but can't for lack of a pool and camera equipment, thank you brother.

  • @robpatterson2441
    @robpatterson2441 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    GREAT footage for 2 guys taping a Go-Pro to the end of a pole!! Excellent video, Jonny!!

  • @djnuukkinkold5610
    @djnuukkinkold5610 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Real helpful knowing the actual presentations of baits. Allows for much better effect in target. I appreciate you bruh.

  • @58fishing57
    @58fishing57 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. You open my eyes on the different leader lengths and also using the French fry on a Carolina rig.

  • @BluntTruth7
    @BluntTruth7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video showing the worms various actions with different weights and leader line lengths. Nice job...

  • @jbjgibbons
    @jbjgibbons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am also surprised by the results and think it is counterintuitive. But using my high school education, I’d hypothesize that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. And force equals mass x acceleration. Therefore, the heavier the drop shot weight, the greater the rebound force pulling back against the lure as you drag and stop the weight. And because the water simulates a more weightless environment, the result is magnified as the effect of gravity is reduced due to buoyancy. 🤓😳 So as your test demonstrates, it is important to adjust the size of the weight to achieve the desired effect! I’m actually really glad you did this. It will change the way I drop shot fish. 👍🏻

  • @ryanvarner6520
    @ryanvarner6520 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the underwater shots! Thanks for putting this together!

  • @lanierbass2759
    @lanierbass2759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always love your contents. I you may let me ask, it will be nice if you could add a small window how you are putting actions while the main screen showing the underwater footage. I am always curious how the drop shot is reacting when you apply action with your rod. looking forward to your upcoming contents.

  • @stevengoodnight9894
    @stevengoodnight9894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just thinking of things I have tried in the past is clamping a very small lead weight about a foot or two above a worm with a slip sinker above it allowing the worm to float. Try that on a video and see if you like that action or not and why??

  • @Bassniper
    @Bassniper 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect underwater video, I guess the difference of the weight is how easy the weight gets moved with the presentation and how tight that weight pulls the line. Thanks for the always great content!

  • @petecorey1122
    @petecorey1122 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been avoiding the drop shot for years, but seeing it under water I have a whole new perspective. I can't wait to use it now! Thanks for the great video. That robo worm has great action. Now, I gotta get back to trying to tie this drop shot knot for the 35th time....🤦‍♂️

  • @danham3344
    @danham3344 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really love all your videos. I have a very analytical & scientific approach to my fishing so your info is always interesting and relevant. I was surprised by many of the learned facts in this video, especially how vertical the baits were in the “video fishing” style. I will certainly be doing more wacky when fishing this way. Loved the floating baits on a casted slow retrieve. Thanks again. Keep up the great work.

  • @stevencaldwell838
    @stevencaldwell838 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video JS! I’m usually not a fan of pool videos ( mainly because of the typical drab commentary) but you always seem to put an element of excitement in all of your videos... lookin forward to the next one. Good luck with your tournament buddy👍🎣

  • @timothymason8779
    @timothymason8779 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😊 Awesome video! Thank you for your valuable time and valuable information.
    God Bless you and your family brother.

  • @marcsmith414
    @marcsmith414 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this. I’m new to bass fishing. You are helpful and very informative. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge.

  • @anthonygeiss9130
    @anthonygeiss9130 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoy the methodology and experimentation. Definitely have a niche concept/location that'll produce endless material. I like how its a few baits with multiple changes to the terminal tackle. Really allows for a greater understanding. Biggest takeaway from this video was the pink floating worm. It blended into it's surroundings. Found that to be interesting.

  • @JoeCraney
    @JoeCraney 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent views of multiple techniques. What a great perspective. Thank you!

  • @krga94c
    @krga94c 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a very revealing, particularly from a fishing-from-shore perspective, where you[re reeling in from deep to shallow. But I imagine it would be a different perspective (even with the Keitech), fishing from shallow to deep, as it would be from a boat

  • @rightpa
    @rightpa ปีที่แล้ว

    9:00 It looks like your heavier weight was a ball. You were casting it on a smooth sloped bottom surface. That would make it roll down the surface and pull the lure down with it. I wonder if you would see the same effect on a flat surface?

  • @samTollefson
    @samTollefson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Extremely well-done video!
    This helps me visualize with more clarity and understanding what is happening beneath the surface with my baits.
    Thank You!

  • @reeldieloutdoors6798
    @reeldieloutdoors6798 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are becoming the next bass professor. Your videos are so good it's insane and every time I watch them I learn so much. I'm right there with you on how you thought a lure would work a certain way and then it didn't (better or worst). Seeing this video is certainly going change up some of my presentations (aka Keitech drop shots). Very good video!
    Also me: Even the way you stored the rods in the rack behind you look cool - at a slant. Which now I'm wondering if I have been storing mine wrong - lol.

  • @dondasher58
    @dondasher58 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like the z man baits for this. Now I can actually see why I like it so much....it looks like it does in my head. Thank you for your hard work. 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @ethanm1580
    @ethanm1580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent video! The time and effort you put in testing, creating and editing you series is incredible. You are definitely making me a better with these videos, much appreciated!

  • @johnkirkwood3445
    @johnkirkwood3445 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent analysis! Decided to start drop shot fishing this year and this is some great insight, thank you!

  • @rogerscheuermann4409
    @rogerscheuermann4409 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I know more now about drop shots. Thanks Professor. Better light, new hat and the white shirt!!!!! Nice.

  • @donjantzen
    @donjantzen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.. I only discovered drop shotting last spring, and was blown away at how well it worked. Great information in this video.. you’ve got a new subscriber!

  • @jabojr5171
    @jabojr5171 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All the work you put into these videos, thank you, great stuff.

  • @jonathancaldwell4195
    @jonathancaldwell4195 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m a firm believer in there isn’t a wrong way to fish if it catches them! With that being said the drop shot was developed to be a tight line technique, a few twitches then a 2 or three foot drag. If you decide to revisit this I’d like to see that retrieve underwater. These are the best underwater videos though, nice job!

  • @anthonyb.8036
    @anthonyb.8036 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video- learned a ton and didn’t expect some of the results.

  • @j.christopherhickman2060
    @j.christopherhickman2060 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have never learned so much . Excelant video . Great watching you

  • @FishOn1
    @FishOn1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoy this series. Seeing similar baits (floating vs sinking) with Ned and Nemo would be interesting. I make a lot of my own soft plastic and leave most without salt so they float. This is great info. For vertical fishing with a floating worm, using a slightly heavier hook on a Texas rig might end up with a more horizontal lure presentation.

  • @careyparkinson2890
    @careyparkinson2890 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this video. I fish 80% drop shot and try all kinds of baits. Im always wishing I could test in a pool to see what Im actually doing. Drop shot is #1 method of sub-surface bass fishing. If I were challenged with only one option in a competition, I would choose the drop shot.

  • @peoriaos6627
    @peoriaos6627 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video. One thing I would like to see is a t swivel on the drop shot with different leader lengths going to the worm. In other words, at the T, 6" leader to the worm and a 12" leader to the dropshot from the T. Thanks so much for this!

  • @perrypogue1123
    @perrypogue1123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! Your video was so informative. I’m a new subscriber and want to thank you for your work. You know what works!

  • @douglascarr2991
    @douglascarr2991 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for making that video I normally hook my drop shots 18 to 24 in off the bottom seeing how this works at one foot, and at 4 ft and at 6 in was a big help I will stick to the 18 to 24 in your video shows a great fall and wiggle and the swimbaits works better with the one quarter ounce weight for the technique I'm using this answer many questions thanks a lot

  • @joeywolk7619
    @joeywolk7619 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video-learning the different length on weight/hook leader will change my fishing-My questions are what you do in grass like Guntersville (my home lake) -I change the length depending on how thick and tall the grass is. What Spinning Reel do you recommend.

  • @jimmythompson4409
    @jimmythompson4409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The edit was to include this next sentence, as I missed it vid . This is a fantastic brilliant watch . I'm totally gobsmacked esp shotttin had be thoting Very good ,deserves a sub and like without being talked in it.
    . But pleas man don't start thus begging for likes in every vid .

  • @johnnyweaver1300
    @johnnyweaver1300 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed the under water footage, it definitely showed me how bait looks & reacts when it's worked, I usually use a heavier wait when fishing in deep water & current, I would like to see under water footage of a ned rig or shakyhead!👍 also have learned a lot on your jig videos, that's become 1 if my favorites now! Thank you!

  • @roughcountryoutdoors3842
    @roughcountryoutdoors3842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is awesome. Just like you mentioned, the way you visualize the bait is different then what is happening.
    When you work the baits it would be cool to see 2 frames in the same screen. The bait and the way you are working it

  • @drone3144
    @drone3144 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am wondering if the slope on the bottom of the pool is what caused the baits to be dragged back down so fast with the heavier round weights. I couldn't really tell due to the camera moving around.

  • @aosmdavid
    @aosmdavid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome job, Jonny. These videos are getting better and better

  • @rjshowler8242
    @rjshowler8242 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey man love your videos dude I like how u go in depth and really go out of your way to help us better understand I was wondering if theres any difference in fishing power plant lakes vs other lakes

  • @bamatim58
    @bamatim58 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video. Strike king worm looks like it's bubblegum in the video. The zoom methiolate worm is like a hunters orange. And they are hard to find. I love them in the spring weightless.

  • @dumbbassfishing4313
    @dumbbassfishing4313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One critique/question, I wonder if those heavier weights would pull the bait down that much in an actual lake? The surface of a lake isn’t smooth like the pool. It seemed like your weight was kinda rolling around and maybe that part of the pool was slightly sloped toward the drain. I don’t know but it seems like a decent question.

  • @maverick2623
    @maverick2623 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d try a small wagon. Low to the bottom. Something w wheels to mount the go pro on. It will be smoother and less jump when trying to film. Keep up the good work. Great info.

  • @ThomasMcknight-gq2hg
    @ThomasMcknight-gq2hg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good content to understand how the drop shot works

  • @robinbergstrom6076
    @robinbergstrom6076 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok im fishing dropshot next. Sick video, no problem with the small shakes

  • @CarolinaBassHunter
    @CarolinaBassHunter 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude this video is so good. Thanks for making it! 👍👍👍 3 thumbs up

  • @mjhoss
    @mjhoss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was very surprised on the vertical fishing. I now know that I need to wacky rig my worms to get the presentation I thought I was trying to achieve!

  • @jacobwhittington2462
    @jacobwhittington2462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you please do something with saltwater lures?

  • @Vraj3110
    @Vraj3110 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work dear love wonder water futage but please also add you rod and retrieve action it would be helpful

  • @camrenabshure8087
    @camrenabshure8087 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos are great. Changed my perspective on using a drop shot

  • @georgeoros6611
    @georgeoros6611 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job young man. Keep up the good work.

  • @derrickhouse7063
    @derrickhouse7063 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    gold nugget knowledge right here. great video

  • @craigm5751
    @craigm5751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think I hurd you say "umm" 1 time, few edits. Pretty darn good man.

  • @scottmccrary9602
    @scottmccrary9602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like these vids (along with all the rest of em) keep it up bud. Good stuff

  • @Xray4858
    @Xray4858 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this video has really helped me understand how the weight can affect worms, grubs or any soft swimbait. I would like to make a request after watching your interview with Rick Clunn. Rick did not say what reel he prefers in gear ration to get the speed for the spinnerbait, or crankbaits. thanks from Georgia

  • @tamras8088
    @tamras8088 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative video and very well explained! Thanks for sharing!

  • @bassinRN
    @bassinRN 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m glad I found this channel. ~Subscribed/Liked~Solid content for sure! Keep up the great work!🤟

  • @paulanderson2464
    @paulanderson2464 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm new to fishing Michigan waters for walleye on Detroit river( 3-4 mph current witgh structure) . Wonder if drop shot might work better than jigging or bottom bouncer for snags. I'm also starting to pier fish in lake MIch for coho/ steelhead with skein. Interested to know ways to present, heck even hooking baits properly. Last year was nearly a bust. I'm definitely searching for answers. Hope you can help, (PS have you tried your HS pool. They might allow a few 30- 45 minute blocks of time.)

  • @Greaternickfishing
    @Greaternickfishing 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks I know now that I do like the robo worm for that rig.

  • @bobsmoot2392
    @bobsmoot2392 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent work! Very thorough. Subscribed.

  • @brandonwilson5311
    @brandonwilson5311 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    @ the 9:00 min mark when you are thinking the weight is pulling down the bait closer to the floor is wrong. your over thinking. nothing has changed with the buoyancy of the bait. what is happening is the weight is heavier and rolling down the plaster of the pool. you are pulling on the slope of the pool. if you pulled the other direction keeping the floor of the pool the same level you will see it's just the heavier weight sliding back down, it's why you thought it had "recoil". to give it a fair test the floor needs to be flat. cool video tho- keep it up.

  • @jeffniebanck6387
    @jeffniebanck6387 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content! underwater jig test! different trailers / weights

  • @harryestep2488
    @harryestep2488 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the underwater testing tank. Keep up the great work!

  • @ChuckCooper
    @ChuckCooper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, great video. When you mentioned "video fishing" on your fancy graph it made me wonder if you ever made a video on how to read/interpret cheap fish finders like the hawkeye which is my version of a graph? I know units like that don't see much but I'm probably not making use of what it does see, depth, bottom, etc. When it shows fish which way are they going LOL How do I visualize in my mind what is on my screen?

  • @DaVinci0963
    @DaVinci0963 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent ! Very informative video ! Thank -You for your help!

  • @okiefish7066
    @okiefish7066 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive never used a drop shot but i would really like to get into it as another weapon in my arsenal, ive been pretty much a bank beater but im trying to get more into structure fishing offshore.

  • @kirkreusch5704
    @kirkreusch5704 ปีที่แล้ว

    Knowing this information is very helpful. Love it.

  • @Radchenister
    @Radchenister 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you set up a pole with a wheel on it for filming, you can roll it back up the pool and stay parallel with lure, I would like to see how the lures act on a longer retrieve.

  • @ethanowens7687
    @ethanowens7687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    EXCELLENT video. This is quality stuff

  • @denofearthundertheeverlast5138
    @denofearthundertheeverlast5138 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @6:20 it will not change anything, except how much weight is on the bottom, and the speed. it will not change how the floating bait floats, it will still float 12" above the weight.

  • @cajunnathan4586
    @cajunnathan4586 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever tried adding AIR in the Tail of the worm using a small syrenge w/needle to slow the worm’s rate of decent even more?

  • @The_Bass_Stunters
    @The_Bass_Stunters 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man this answers sooooo many questions!!! Can’t wait to get back out there with my drop shot!!! If I can keep the Drum off of my bait that is... Every time I throw my drop shot I catch Drum? Prob my location I’m fishing good ole Tennessee river. Drum capital of the world! 😂

  • @grhodes3536
    @grhodes3536 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    On the vertical action with the roboworm, I think it's because your hook is not set up to be perpendicular to your line. Can you confirm? I've never seen the action you created when I bring the line back through the eye of the hook before tying the weight so the hook sticks out horizontally when suspended.

  • @DestinIsaiahB
    @DestinIsaiahB 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome job as always! Would the roboworm react differently if u ties the drop shot hook on differently? For example: tying the main line and a leader to the hook vs tying the main line to the hook and looping it back through the eye of the hook and putting the weight on the end of it.

  • @Pomchidriver
    @Pomchidriver 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent work! This has been very insightful, makes me actually excited to drop shot more now.

  • @kidiraq8381
    @kidiraq8381 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Side note: Love my OG FTM hat, but definitely digging the new lid Johnny!!!

  • @jtarryohpengyew8173
    @jtarryohpengyew8173 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, nice demonstration video, thanks. I was using the 0.45mm diameter line the other day with the hook to bottom length of 30cm and I don't even have any fish bumping on my bait, kind to explain why is that happening. It not the first time i'm using a drop shot rig, but this rig doesn't seem to work. I do not know if the fish are afraid when they see the line or what. Please teach me how to as I love the simplicity of this rig.

  • @themrsmoore1
    @themrsmoore1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you get footage of the swim bait with the longest leader and heavy weight? Seems like that would be a cool way to keep the tail kicking and knowing exactly what depth it was running.

  • @richardwoolard5672
    @richardwoolard5672 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    those were super inetresting results for drop shot rigs. Ill be checking those out ,especially the 4 foot leader for deep water.I expect that to work well this summer.

  • @mikemason4792
    @mikemason4792 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great way to teach. Videos and explanations are excellent.

  • @jamesmeyer7034
    @jamesmeyer7034 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have not fished the drop shot but I guess I always assumed you would want something floating or to keep it off the bottom. Otherwise I would do something else. Drop shot to me is a technique for 6+ inches off the bottom. Please continue the great videos. Please feel free to comment (anyone) on this comment.

  • @sonar5676
    @sonar5676 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always Jonny, great info! Offer still stands.

  • @walterholcher9239
    @walterholcher9239 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know about you but that kitec and a half ounce drop shot at Don Pedro is fire

  • @Milehighsnake98
    @Milehighsnake98 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a thought on the weight affecting the action. With the lighter weight, when you would shake the rod, the weight would jump off the bottom and swing under the bait. Thus, the bait stayed 10-12" off the bottom. With the heavier weight, when you shake the rod, the weight is staying on the bottom, so the bait isn't coming up as much, there's no slack.

  • @DNA756
    @DNA756 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid and idea, but one problem with your results. The pool is a smooth bottom which allowed the sinker to roll down hill which pulled the bait down towards the bottom with it as it sank back down, whereas lakes do not have a smooth bottom and the weight would stick more. So they would not being rolling downhill like that pulling the bait with them. It would be interesting to compare your results to a video showing a rougher bottom.

  • @robertrubio1552
    @robertrubio1552 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great and informative video!
    I'm betting a free drop shot resolves issues brought with heavier weights.

  • @strydershadow391
    @strydershadow391 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Been thinking about trying drop shot for years maybe it's time to make that happen in 2020.

  • @chrisfoley3320
    @chrisfoley3320 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have done these same test with the same results. You should do one on jerkbaits and you will see why kvd and i use med. Heavy rods. You loose half of your baits action being absorbed from those flimsy med. Rods. Use braid to leader and your jerkbait will move twice as much with half the effort. Do the test. You will see why jerkbait fishing doesnt have to wear you out. We all learn from each others different styles. Great job on drop shot video.

  • @bwcrouterfield
    @bwcrouterfield 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! Very informative!

  • @TJ-hd5ym
    @TJ-hd5ym 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid like to see the line to see how it performs just a thought.

  • @kevinerbs2778
    @kevinerbs2778 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice I didn't think a dropshot would ever be worth it from shore butthis proves it's vry usable. Much ike how people claim a bottom bounce only works for trolling. I use bottom bouncers in summer for walleye from the shore. They work very vell if you trime the worm harness leaders to a castable length,
    you should try using a slip bobber without a stopper on a drop shot setup. Just to see if you can get a more vertical presentation, when casting from shore.