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- (mrtrailer.com/...) Continuing testing of my 2018 Ford F150 XLT project truck. Max towing is 12,800 lbs trailer, 1677 lbs payload. Testing with our new test trailer, Iron Bull deck-over dump trailer. Even deducting as it says in the owner's manual for 2% per thousand feet less gross combined weight.
I’ve driven the same routes that you did in the video but I pulled a 3000 lb travel trailer with a 2015 Grand Caravan SXT. I had no issues. I now have a F150 3.5L 4x4 EcoBoost 6.5’ bed with the Max Tow pkg. I will be towing a 7000 lb travel trailer through the Rockies to Vancouver BC. Your video confirms for me that I picked the right truck. Thanks! Great video.
How did this go for you David? I'm planning to pull a slightly heavier load (6500 dry) through the same rocky mountains. Its a large 29foot trailer so worried about the wind
I would like to see Ford build a turbocharged gas engine for the F-250 and F-350 it will perform much better at high altitude
@@house4rentPhoenix How did your trip go? I am preparing for a very similar test with my 3.5 Ecoboost 3.55 axel this weekend and the only thing im stressing about is a 7 mile stretch of a 5% grade (both ways)
I pulled 11,000 lbs on a 200 mile trip over the hills of WV with my F-150 EcoBoost. The truck is just a beast. 65-70 mph comfortably. And the transmission temp gauge never moved.
Yes, they are a towing beast
I tow my 42 ft durango 5th wheel 80 mph locked up in 6th gear 1300 rpm in my Ram diesel 140000 lbs. Pass alot of eco turds in the hills, always tell my wife to tip her hat to the mighty eco turd.
@@tumbleweedking5668 doesn't that sounds dumb comparing a v6 to a Cummins two totally diffrent trucks 🤔 sounds like you are and ego type of guy 🤣
@@tumbleweedking5668 the funny part is put 7k lbs on each truck and the eco would probably walk away from that 2500.
@@tumbleweedking5668 You are one of those rare individuals that can tow 140,000 pounds with a 3/4 ton.
I have a 2018 Eco boost with 2.7 turbo. Book says 11300, talked with dealer and they recommended hold at 9000. I tow a 35 foot @ 8154 lbs, up and down Cajon Pass in Socal, up the coast pulling 7% grades and not had any issues with it. Sway control works great, and on heavy pulls up the mountain, 9 to 11 MPG. In rolling hills at highway speed 12-14 MPG. Without trailer, 17-20 with my best MPG at 25.3. My partner has a Dodge 1500 with an Outback travel trailer, 9230 lbs, has no problem but has got the v-8 in it.
Maximum tow capacity for the 2.7 for that year is 9k#,and that has to be a very particular setup. Turbos pull better at higher elevations because naturally aspirated engines struggle at high altitudes. Turbos dont suffer that kind of problem. That dodge will certainly pull that load,but I bet if he ever pulled that same load with a 3.5 EcoBoost he'd be ready to trade up. If you pull that big boat regularly consider getting some sumo springs to help mitigate bouncing and sagging. Mr Truck did a video on them too.
Great job on this video sir! I've been looking for quite a while for someone to do a "Max Tow" test on this specific truck (I have the exact same) . You nailed it. Best towing 1/2 ton I have ever owned. Be safe and thanks for your incredibly informative videos and work!
Thanks
Let her eat Mr Truck !
Love seeing these real world heavy tow 3.5 videos
While it’s not a 2500/3500 diesel. These 150’s are a amazing machine . I’m impressed every time I’ve pulled a load with my f150.
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Mr. Truck I bought a 19’ F-150 with the 3.5 ecoboost because of your and the TFL guys review of them.. I freakin love that truck so far. I can hang with alot of cars. I can’t wait to tow with it! Thank you
That's great, thanks
Do you have much experience towing travel trailers Mr. Truck? Im going to buy one in the spring but not sure what the max i can really tow comfortably with my 19’ F150 supercrew SWB 4wd with the 3.5 ecoboost. I think max towing is 12,700 or 12,800... payload is 1550.
@@boostedsiggy1175 Take into consideration that a travel trailer is a big box. There is a lot of air resistance. My opinion on trailers is reduce the weight (if approaching max weight) if you have a box trailer. Open trailers are more aerodynamic. The air resistance is no joke at speed. Watch out with cross winds, too. They will challenge the best of us. Maybe someone good with math could calculate it out.
So much goodness and fantastic engineering in the F150. Putting that 36 gal tank through its paces!
I like it
Man it's crazy just how quiet these trucks are even when under a heavy load, that's the thing that impressed me the most with the EcoBoost trucks. I'd love to get one someday.
Yes they are
Towing with my 2017 F150, 3.5, 10 speed in June 2020 from Moab through the mountains to Colorado Springs towing 6000 lb travel trailer I always had the power but the heat gauge would occasionally start showing numbers at 224 degrees F and above but never overheated. I liked that it gave me this indication and I would avoid over throttling it when it appeared. The transmission is as impressive as the motor. Never once felt like i was nearing the edge of the control envelope. Did a similar trip towing with 2009 F150 with 5.4, 6 speed and creeped up a few mountains and nearly overheated it. I will say though, towing with the 5.4 the mileage was better by about 2 mpg.
Kent, it isn’t 2% of your altitude you need to lose, its 2% of your GCW! If your trailer is #12800, and your truck is about #5500 with you and fuel, that’s #18,300 pounds combined. 2% of that is #366 pounds per 1000 feet starting at 1000 feet. 8000 feet is 7000 feet above 1000 feet, so, you need to reduce your gross combined weight 7 x 366, or #2562 pounds. Not #160 pounds. That’s nothing. That’s not going to compensate for the lack of air density at 8000 feet. You should talk to Jason at engineering explained before making videos like these.
I thought the 160 lbs was low
i wonder if its progressive 2%? or 2 percent total off the GCW. As in 2% off 18300 every 1000. or 2% off 18300, then 2% off the sum of each 1000? IE 18300*2%=17934*2%=17575... and so on?
Show me the studies proving Ford estimations? I would love to see the actual data comparing the temperature gradient in controlled environment studies. The general rule of thumb is loss of 3.5% power every 1000 feet w/ respect to variables. Your statement felt like electrons will actually freeze if electricity is passed through absolute zero and can be captured. It sounds very realistic, but we need data to prove it.
The truck compensates for altitude. I don't see any reason capacity would be reduced. Horsepower is not reduced. Braking power is not reduced. There is some turbo lag, but that's it. The amount of oxygen in the engine is the same at sea level up to around 10,000 feet, when the turbos run out of headroom.
The weight isn't reduced, likely the manual also covers the naturally aspirated engines as well.. doesn not pertain to the turbo
I have similiar equipped 2019 F150 XLT SC,3.5 EB and Max Trailer tow pkg, 20 inch wheels. Payload is 1938lbs. I had a laugh when I saw the kidseat in back. My grandson loves riding in the truck. Have watched many of the videos on towing and Ike Gauntlet and enjoyed them and the commentary from everyone on your team. My wife and I bought a Rockwood 2304ds TT that has a GVWR of 6600lbs.We bought unit in late fall and have not towed trailer yet. I was initially concerned after looking at some other channels on you tube that I may not have enough truck for trailer. This video and others on TFLTruck have given me the information and confidence in the choose of truck I purchased to tow our TT. Thanks for all your hard work
You're welcome
Great Video! Please be safe Mr. Truck. Take note the 12,800 pound tow rating is for the 2wd model with the 5.5ft bed. The 4x4 model has that weight reduced by additional 400 lbs making the max tow weight on a short bed 4x4 SCrew 12,400 pounds. Plus that reduction for altitude that I don't need to worry about on the east coast.
That truck pulls like a bull. I have to say I am amazed by the capability of my MaxTow/FX4 F150 and the fact that it does not even feel half ton of weight in the bed during acceleration (it does impact braking and handling) or when I am pulling less than 5K pounds.
Wow! Check out the "sliding roof Envoy at 7:20 in the video.
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Great video, have same truck as you and just grossed 15,000 over horse shoe bend grade here in Idaho at 65 no problem. Love the eco boost 10 speed. Only complaint about the truck is the payment 😂.
Yeah, I have the same payment problem
You can get the tailgate assist for $56. (Genuine Ford part) @ CJ Pony parts. It takes 15 minutes to install. BTW I have an 18 F150 STX, 3.5L, max tow, 6.5 bed. I tow an 8800lb travel trailer no problem.
Good
I just got the tailgate assist from them and it was a super easy install. I do suggest having someone help with removing the tailgate, it’s not that heavy, but it is just big enough to be awkward. Not sure why Ford just doesn’t include that on all trucks, considering what they cost. I think it’s a safety issue, especially if you have kids.
Paul Rodrigues Yes the OEM part is definitely the way to go. Hidden and works great.
@@MrTruckTV i got the cheap Chinese one for 18.00 and it works great.
another great and interesting video. i really liked the way that you were able to get the extra weight on the trailer by having your mother in law get out . enjoy your videos alot.
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2% for every 1000ft means at 8000ft you need to deduct 16% of your GCWR not 160lbs, would be way more....something in the ball park of 2400lbs
I believe this is the correct way to read the manual also.
Great review, I like this rather than stomping the pedal to the ground like i have seen which does not replicate real life towing scenarios. Thanks for the video very informative.
"throw-out the Mother-in-law" (altitude deduction) my M-I-L goes camping with us so that was funny.
I'll probably get in trouble for mother-in-law jokes, that's what she said.
Ford is KING
Mr truck you forgot one important thing to tell us those totes were full of water when you guys lifted them
Great work!! I actually enjoyed the views of the little town you drove through. Beautiful views it looks like. Hopefully you'll drive a few trucks off the main highway and through some of those lil towns and some history of your area.
Thanks, I got lost, turned right instead of left, but I did enjoy an old mining town
Nothing like a nice scenic drive in the mountains, thanks for sharing. Another great review, enjoy the grunt of that EcoBoost! I kind of miss my 2013, driving a 2018 F150 xlt sport FX4with the 5.0 . I made the same drive all the way from down here in South Louisiana 👌
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If the max GCVWR is 18200# @ sea level and you need to reduce that by 2% for every 1000 ft of elevation then you would need to reduce weight by 364# per 1000 ft, thus 2912# making the max GCWR @ 8000 ft 15288# not 18040#.
Yes, it's a big drop, I miscalculated. I talked to a Ford engineer today and he said the turbo Fords wouldn't loose that much capacity but they don't break it down in the owners manual
What a great video! You can use my long bed Max towing F-150 anytime you need it!
Thanks, maybe I should trade you trucks, do you have 6 seats?
@@MrTruckTV 😬 only 5
You can buy a ford tailgate damper kit $70. Just need a few tools. You have to uplug and lift off the gate and take out a rear brake light, very easy to do.
Good to know
I noticed F150s with the FX4 package have a lower payload than the 4x4 version, by 100 to 200 lbs. So if your main goal is towing or hauling, not ground clearance, I'd go with the 4x4 version. My 4x4 drives great in the snow and mud, with the stock Goodyear Wrangler M&S tires.
That's a good point. I get the FX4 package for the skid plates to protect from Sagebrush and mud
Love the videos. I do have a question about weight reduction with altitude. It says deduct 2% per 1000 feet for gross combined. It sounds like you mentioned gross combined is 18,200 lbs. But at 8,000 feet we would have to deduct 16% of gross combined weight correct? So we would have to lose 2,912 lbs at 8,000 feet?
Another great review Mr. Truck! Glad you finally got to take this trip. The fact that you enjoy what you do shows in the videos, and makes them great to watch. I was curious as to what the transmission temperature was running at while going up those grades, if you would be willing to share. Thanks!
Thanks, towing the mountain, all the temperatures were in the middle. When I was on a grade stuck in traffic, sitting still on a mountain, the transmission temp when slightly past the middle.
I think the traffic worked out. It more of a real world test. Going straight up doesn't tell you how its going to do shifting with the start and stop of traffic. Lets you keep an eye out for overheating and such. Nice to know how it handled with less than ideal circumstances.
Yes, thanks
Good Video, but here is something when people are towing that needs to be considered. Wind Resistance. on the flat bed, you have significantly less wind resistance than if you were towing a travel trailer. I would like you to consider showing the difference of pulling say a 11,000 pound flat bed and a 11,000 pound travel trailer. Would like to have you discuss the difference in feel. I hate seeing people pull the very large travel trailer going down the road with this 1/2 series trucks in windy conditions and seeing them fight the truck. See, the effects of the air on the trailers is something you guys never discuss and I feel it is something that needs to be addressed since so many travel trailer accidents are caused by wind or air coming off a semi.
You're right, wind is a big factor. I have toy hauler I'll use more often and talk about wind. I like to see even heavy duty trucks using WDH with sway control just for the wind.
@@MrTruckTV Since a large amount of towing is pulling travel trailers, it would be good if you could have more videos with travel trailers since they are such a large box. It is spooky seeing 32 foot travel trailers being pulled with an F150. Maybe you can convince me that it is safe. Maybe you will confirm that it should not be done. I would love to see what you come up with. The side and head winds on a travel trailer being towed with an F150 or other 1/2 ton series trucks does need to be discussed. Thank you for reading and replying.
Drop an aftermarket intercooler on there to keep the IAT's down. The turbos have to spin faster and work harder to get to the commanded boost. This will bring them out of their efficiency range and start making the charged air hotter in higher altitude. An aftermarket I/C will keep in the IAT's cooler especially during longer hard runs at altitude.
Not sure about that particular engine, but a turbocharged direct and indirect injected engine should start off in DIRECT injection and supplement it with INDIRECT. Direct injection is good for efficiency but the phase change from indirect further cools the intake charge, reducing detonation, as well as providing better mixtures and power under boost.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if the reduced GCW has to do more with BRAKING, thinner air potentially cools the brakes less effectively. Negligible power difference when under boost in a turbocharged application such as this. Just my .02, good video.
Thanks, a Ford engineer told me it starts out in port injection and switches to Direct at higher speed
MrTruckTV did some reading, both articles contradict on the subject in terms of majorities, but agree that both are used under full load.
saying. Fairly new to towing,and I've had my 2016 f150 supercrew 4x4 fx4 for almost 5 years. It's the 2.7 6 speed and so far I'm really impressed with it. I've a dual axle landscape trailer I pull and recently bought a 24 foot travel trailer. I think the travel trailer weighs in around 5k#. I'm using a standard curtis hitch and bought me some OEM towing mirrors. Really thinking about getting some of those sumo springs you did that video on. They look very handy and a good deal for the money. I live in West Virginia and though we dont have the long grades you do,we do have quite a few 7 and 8% grades and it's mostly 2 lane back country roads. I'm always a little nervous taking it out but I'm learning the ins and outside as I go. Enjoy your videos immensely, thanks bunch and stay safe.
Thank You
Reducing the gross combine weight by 2% per 1,000 feet starting at 1,000 feet elevation is (18,200 lb) x (0.02) x ((8,000 ft - 1,000 ft) / 1,000 ft) = 2,548 lb.
Lol 😆 I had a similar issue 😅 I was in a trip with my wife and mother in law pulling about 8,200 Lbs of Beer and I had to go through some deductions I was over 320 pounds so that's 😅 what I did I left my wife and her mother on a truck stop to continue with my trip safely to my destination 😊 😄 God Bless Everyone 🙌
Hey Mr.Truck! I think you got the math wrong at the 1:10 mark of the video. If you had to reduce the GCW by 2% for every 1,000 ft of elevation above 1,000 ft, and you were in Colorado (about 8,000 ft elevation) you would have to reduce the GCW by 2%(x7)=14%.....and If your GCW is 18,200 lbs then 14% of that would be 2,548 lbs. Therefore GCW at that altitude should be no more than 15,652 lbs.
Glad you guys caught that
MrTruckTV Kent one thing I learned many years was to never do math in public lol. Great video as always!
@@MrTruckTV Great video though, Kent - I've only ever had 3,500 lbs behind my 3.5 EB 10-spd F-150.... you should add the Firestone Ride-Rite air-bag kit, it makes a huge difference when loaded or towing.
So what would happen if you had 4 people in the truck and the bed full of gear? What happens when you go over capacity? What gives first?
It depends how far over. Probably the tires then the axle bearings
The warranty gives first. 😂
You don't need to worry it will tow what ever you need. The old Fords would tow over kill every time.
Yeah, I wasn't worried
Don’t have to worry about getting the weight moving. Have to worry about stopping that weight without maxing out the trailer brakes
It says starting at the 1000 ft level which is why I think at 8000 ft minus the 1000 ft starting level, you would take 2% of 7000# not 8000#.
yes
I think you've made a big math error? 2% is 0.02... Multiply the derating factor times the GCVWR times the peak elevation in thousands. That reduces the GCVWR by 0.02 * 18,200 * 8 = 2912 lbs. The new max GCVWR is 18200 - 2912 = 15288 lbs.
People grouse about the GCVWR elevation adjustment approach Ford is applying... But if they didn't do that you'd have less capability when at lower elevation. So, you have to think about it a bit, but you get to haul more if you aren't going over any high country.
FL3Z-99406A10-A is the tailgate damper upgrade
great
How come ford doesn’t stick the 3.5 ecoboost in the f250 ? They are a beast at towing, even better than the V8
I thought that was a good idea too. But they had more plans for the 7.3L gas in RV's, trucks and heavy duty
The 3.5ecoboost they put in the HD transit Van's while considerably down on power vs the F150 trucks is pretty peppy. I did run into heat related issues in the little mountains going from Arizona to California. It was the extended wheelbase dually hightop van 2017 Ford transit 350hd. It would suck to have the same issues towing. It would go into reduced power and temp gauge would start going towards the H on the hills.
“And this shows how hard we work” lmao
30 more HP & 20 more lb ft than the last "big block"......... AND it's only tuned for production here. Impressive
Factory equipped front plates are offset so they don’t block airflow to the intercooler . Maybe look in to that
Mine looks centered
Just liked and subscribed, thanks for the video, everyone stay safe and have a great day.
Thanks, you too!
Mr. Truck, you can buy the hydraulic shock for your f150 thru Ford parts department. You can paint to match.
Good deal
I know a few folks that tow well over the recommend. Some tow nearly twice as much. I don't know they they do it for so long and not have issues.
How well does it stop that weight without maxing out the trailer brakes?
I'm using truck and trailer brakes and tow haul grade shifting
I have a 13 ecoboost ccsb and I have pulled about 13,000lbs. I can definitely say a half ton has no business pulling that.
Why do u say that? Just curious since ur an actual owner of one. I'm interested in buying and f150 myself
Deere 6430 ... Hmmm, ahhh, well, I don't think your 2013 is rated for 13000lbs lol!! I agree...YOU should not be towing that much with that truck. Stay in your lane...and don't overload your truck.
Depends what kind of 13,000lbs. With a half ton rated for it, I'd rather tow 13,000lbs of skid loader on a flat deck than 13,000lbs of enclosed bumper pull cargo or even 5th wheel camper.
Has more to do with stability than the weight itself.
MrTruckTV - Maybe I misunderstood, but wouldn't the GCWR reduce by 2% per 1000 ft in elevation gained? Using the following for easy math -- if your GCWR is 15000 pounds, and you are at 10000 ft asl, you would lose 20% of your GCWR, resulting in an effective GCWR of 12000 lbs?
I thought it was just the max towing number. I'll have to read the owners manual again.
I think the 2% reduction is for the 5.0, it is the same manual
Yeah, you'd think it would be less of a problem with twin turbo's
Great Video, the ecoboost are beast! Mr Truck, how much fudge room do you think the engineers figure in, for idiots like me and at what weight would a truck just break? Just wondering
I don't have a number, but it's got to be more than what the warranty will handle
Nah it's a hard cap dude. If you're a pound over you gotta take a couple beers out of the cooler. Sorry!
Protip: chug 6 of them in a row before you head out because the weight loss of the bottle is sufficient.
Great video!
Loving vid👍driving through Rockies with trailer hook up to F150. I see you on TFL vid with new RAM Eco diesel, which would you have F150 or RAM Eco diesel with 40 mpg?
Everybody wants 40 mpg, but the EcoDiesel won't tow as much is the EcoBoost
Also if you live in severe winter areas and have to park outside or even in a non heated garage without being able to plug in diesel no worky
Correct me if I am wrong but did I just read Ram 1500 Diesels are catching fire! How fast can you disconnect your trailer?
So...did it handle ok? Did it feel comfortable and confident? Did it feel stable and controlable?
yes, I picked this truck
@@MrTruckTV good. I have a 2015 f150 3.5 ecoboost too. :-)
Great info. Can you tell us what pressure your running in both trailer and truck tires?
Thanks, 80 psi in the trailer and what ever it says in the door sticker for the truck
I've been looking in buying a f-150 with an ecoboost motor. Would it be worth it? Does it have better pulling power then the v8 engine?
When I bought my Ecoboost I compared it to the 5.0L coyote and by specs the 3.5L Ecoboost was hands down on power, mpg empty and trailer capacity
@@MrTruckTV so that's a good thing on mpg and horsepower?
Yes
3:45 I used to thought that, i m the only one who doesn’t feel grip after wearing gloves.
Would you tow a 9900 pound fully loaded 36 foot travel trailer?
With my truck, yes
MrTruckTV thanks for the reply, even though the wind resistance would be crazy compared to 12,800 of flat trailer,
No way
I'm pulling a 36ft TT with my 2019 F150 3.5 Ecoboost 3:55 rear end using a Hensley Arrow Hitch and I had no problem going through the Smoky Mountains. I got 8.8 mpg.
I'm curious if the sumoSpring would be of any use with the Hitch that I'm using? Please advise. Thank you.
@@djinncat I think they would be. I've seen multiple videos on them and they seem to earn a great reputation.
Just wandering if you put a gooseneck ball in it will it void warranty? That thang can tow more than my old 94 250.
No
Mr. Truck u can think that your truck can tow better than a 6.0 2500hd gasser at 13000 pounds?
Yes it makes more power and has a 10 speed has low starting gears
The 2500 might be slower but it'll feel better.
Great video and info thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. I just subscribed. I pull an 8,000 pound TT in the Colorado mountains with my 2001 GMC Sierra 5.3L. It does surprisingly well until I get up near those 11,000 ft passes. Then I am maxed out in 1st gear (4 speed). I have been trying to decide whether to get a 3/4 ton but the emissions aren't very dependable on the Duramax and the 6.0 just won't be much better than my old GMC at 11,000.feet. I feel I need a turbo in the mountains, so I am considering the 3.5 Eco. or putting a turbo on a 6.0L 2500. This video has been very helpful because I really wanted an exhaust brake, but it sounds like your grade braking is pretty good. I also love that you can get a 10 speed about 2 years earlier in the Ford than in a GMC. The 36-gallon tank is also a plus. Anybody tried adding an aftermarket turbo on a 6.0L?
Also, I have the Sumo springs and I love them. Ride feels much more secure when pulling my trailer. Squat is reduced considerably and has a great feel when towing. They are trouble free. Mine don't come into effect until squat is about 3/4 of an inch, so my ride is still good when empty. Highly recommend.
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You guys get on my bad side worrying about being 200 pounds over weight. Do you really think 200 lbs. is going to cause you to crash? I pulled 7,300 lbs. trailer with my 2016 F150 2.7 with 3.31 gears. It was 2,300 lbs. over weight.
Mr. Truck, I have the 2019 max tow with the 6.5 bed, but the owner's manual says max tongue weight is 500lb's. Websites say that a weight distribution hitch does not remove tongue weight, but rather distribute that weight evenly. How do I take advantage of my trucks capabilities, not exceed the 500lbs or is this more of a "guideline".
What truck is it?
@@MrTruckTV - 2019 F-150 Max tow with 3.5 eco and 6.5 bed.
@@801Pizzle that’s only if it’s in the bumper. But if you have a hitch it’s around 12,000 lbs depending on how your truck is equipped
What is the braking system on your trailer? Are the brakes electric or electric over hydraulic? Drums or disk?
Electric drums
You said the gross combined weight was 18,200 so at 1000 feet you loose 364 pounds for GCW 17,836, then at 2,000 feet you loose another 2 percent of the now GCW of 17,836 or 357 pounds so now you are at 17,836 minus 357=17,479, then at 3000 feet you loose 2 percent of that 17,479 which is 350 the new GCW is 17,479-350=17,129. So then at 4000 feet you can do the math, but it really sucks and that is why I have not bought a ford since 1981.
Yes I don't think Ford should put that restriction on a turbo gas or diesel engine. I was surprised when I read is was for combined weight. I kept thinking it was just trailer weight. My math was wrong
What’s the GVW if the truck? GCWR minus GVW of TV is your actual max tow capacity. Right?
My truck GVW is 7000 lbs, GCWR is 18,200 lbs, max tow capacity is 12,800 lbs. Curb weight as usual is higher that factory states. you have the right formula, but factory's have wiggle room as they decide their warranty. So I called the engineers to get my numbers.
I'm curious as to why you went with a gas truck rather than diesel?
I can tow 12,800. I don't haul the big loads anymore plus I get new trucks every month. I can wait until I get a heavy duty media truck if I need to haul more
I would think the decease on GCVWR would be for safety, i.e. to be able to keep up with traffic and merging. The frame and transmission aft capacity obviously can't change. The air is thinner so may not cool transmission as well, however the higher altitude is cooler by the adiabatic lapse rate so an even trade. Engine power will definitely decrease hence the safety concern. But then an engine producing less power is obviously not under as much stress as one at full power.
The MSRP was $53,000, I'm curious what your price was after incentives, discounts?
If I would have taken all the rebates and discounts, it would have cost $38,000, but with 0% and some rebates, I think it was $41,0000 but I had a hail discount too
What's the best hitch for my 20' Midsota HS landscape trailer to use with my 3.5L ecoboost f150 with 5.5 ft bed? Also...how do I know if I have the max tow package?
I'm a fan of Gen-y, your maroney sticker will tell you if you have max tow. On my Ecoboost, it has 3.55 axle ratio, 20" tires, and the wedge between the axle and springs with the 5.5' bed to get the highest tow rating with max trailer package.
@@MrTruckTV Thanks for responding. The window sticker shows that I have the Max Tow Package with Gas Charged Shocks, Outboard Mntd Rear Shocks and 3.55 Electronic Lock RR Axle. I have 18" tires, GVWR of 7000 lb, Front GAWR of 3450 lb, Rear GAWR of 3800 lb. Is the wedge something that I should be adding?
Having driven fuel oil trucks for a good portion of my life I am used to carrying liquids. Oil trucks have baffles to slow the sloshing down. (Some tank mfg are better than others) So with the absence of baffles why wouldn't you fill the forward 2 tanks to the brim. (no space). Then use the last tank to get the desired weight. Instead of having all the tanks sloshing you only have one!!
I was thinking the rear tank at half empty would slosh too much.
@@MrTruckTV could try it. Sounds better in words than 3 sloshing.
🤔 maybe just reach the desired weight with some Stone in the dump trailer?
@@MrTruckTV either way that would put more front hitch weight also wouldn't it?
What if fore and aft totes were maxed out and middle was the one sloshing? Maybe the two full ones bookending the middle would mitigate some of the effect?
How can I tell my tow rating.. I have a 2019 with 3.5l max towing 7050 and 3.55 gears with 6.5' bed
Super crew cab
www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/
Anything over 10k towing with a half ton is sketchy. All the new half ton trucks are really capable it seems.
I agree, there is only 2 bearings on a 1/2 to rear axle to worry about as well as brakes
Mr Truck do you have a tanker endorsement on your CDL?
Yes I do and motorcycle. I can tow multiple trailers and use to tow doubles (horse Trailers).
Damn I don't have a motorcycle endorsement on my CDL. 😟😬😏😀
I do have my hazmat though which is good because sometimes bad Chipotle and...well I won't get into the details.
Q for you sir, planning to buy travel trailer around 8000 pounds dry weight, is it a good match with 2020 f150 3.5 eco boost, may be max weight in truck 1000 pounds(no mother in law:) )
They claim towing capacity around 12800 pounds
12800 lbs of trailer is with 3.55 axle, 20" tires and max tow package. Use this www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/aem_fleet/en_us/fleet/towing-guides/2020_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdf just put in what year you have. It's prettty acurate with the packages on your truck
MrTruckTV thanks so much sir
What is the payload of that truck Kent?
1677
Mr.Truck have u heard about the tuning thing with the EPA??
What tuning thing
MrTruckTV wow first off thanks for responding and I love how open minded u are to newer trucks because most ppl u age range are stuck in the 70s and 80s but anyways there is news that the EPA is going to make all non emission compliant tunes illegal and they will make cops check to see if u have the emissions stuff still on ur truck it will basically make all non emission compliant aftermarket stuff illegal and I’m not very good at explaining so sorry if some stuff didn’t make sense but Truck Master (another TH-camr) he did a few videos about it and he is better then explaining then I am and he gives more details about it and I’m just here to spread the word about it.
@@kyle60213 I think you may be referring to diesel delete kits. I forget who did the video I watched, but they mentioned about the EPA banning all the delete parts for modern diesels.
I always love your reviews Mr truck. I would like to know why you only like to own Ford trucks? I mean you drove the 2019 Ram 1500 before you bought your current truck. Why you didn’t get the Ram1500?? Thank you very much and may God bless you Mr. truck
Thanks, the F150 had the highest tow rating and best fuel mileage
90% off the fishermen here in the bahamas have Ford trucks a friend of mine has 2019 EcoBoost f150 he pulls he 40ft contender boat with four engines on it and full fuel that truck pulls that boat like nothing on the back in and out off the water
wow, I want to see that
What color sumo's did you instal
Blue
Thanks
How a longer heavier bed allows more towing for the same setup is beyond my comprehension. It’s should be the opposite.
It's about expanding the trailer tongue weight or a larger weight
The 2 % thing a little more research should not be applied to the turbo or max tow package it’s from the old rating not the new one it’s a ford ploy to optimize performance numbers gm and ram don’t do this
We need updated regulations for towing across the board. That is, everything vehicle capable of towing must have a sticker on the door and software in the infotainment system that tells us exactly what can be carried and towed with that vehicle. It’s not rocket science.
So let’s take a dose of reality. Today’s F-150 with 6.5’ bed, 4x4 with the Max Trailer package and the 3.5 or 5.0 engine is far far more capable and far far safer to tow and drive than any F-250 or F-350 SRW prior to the 1999 first generation of “Super duty”. The curb weight of a 1999 Ford F-350 Super Duty Crew Cab Long Bed is 5,796 lbs. Its front and rear disc brakes were 13” and 12” respectively! Its frame was partially boxed and it had a steel body that weighed significantly more than today’s F-150. So today’s F-150 has much more weight in its frame, and drivetrain over all.
So here is a truthful statement. The 2024 F-150 Lariat Crew, long bed with Max Trailering and 3.5 Ecoboost with 10-speed transmission has more weight, a stronger frame, larger brakes (13.8 and 13.2 respectively). In addition the mirrors, safety features like stability control and blind spot, incredible cameras and trailer towing software make the F-150 far safer than any F-250 really prior to 2005! So, why isn’t the tow rating better. And why can’t we add air bags, or other improvements to make the vehicle more capable in a way that increases the towing capacity? Money and greed. Ford will only push the F-150 as far as the competition and then it wants you to buy an F-250/350.
Here is what I prefer in today’s F-150 over the F-250/350. (1) daily driving is much more pleasant. Tighter turn radius, smoother ride, better gas mileage especially with the Hybrid model in the city and country road driving. As of 2024, the new tailgate and the center console work surface is a game changer for me. I use the desk every day. I just wish ford would offer a column shift or a knob shift option. I like the free space in the F-250 and Ram trucks..
I like the price. I can get a loaded F-150 for about $85,000 sticker and $75,000 after working with dealers across the country. I’d rather have the 3.5 hybrid over the 6.7 Diesel. I like diesels but hate the emissions and the extreme cost of there is any failure.
So.. what Ford needs to do is really step up the game. Make their max trailer F-150 have a payload of at least 1800 lbs, preferably 2000 and make it have a max tow of about 16000. Give us a hybrid 5.0 coyote with 3.73 gears and the 3.5. Keep the sticker price below $85,000 and they sell hundreds of thousands.
Most mother-in-law's weigh more than 160 lbs😉
That could be true
What was the hitch weight?
I thought I said it in the video, I think it was 1200 lbs
When d you plan pull with Ford turbo Equiboost "14000" lbs. PLEASE.......;Mr TrUCK.ASAP
HOOK-up Ford 1500 turbo Equiboost to 14000 lb. IF you have a successful tow I'm ordering this truck tomorrow. THANKS AGAIN Mr Truck. John
It's not up to me. They have to be available in the media fleet which could be another month.
Hey Mr. Truck. Could you elaborate on the “sumo springs” you mentioned in this video? I have the same truck. I pulled a small ford tractor with it had more squat than I expected not bad though. Couldn’t haul it with my ‘16 ram at all couldn’t get the trailer jack off the ground. Looking to get a newer Kubota L series 3801 or a 4701. Just trying to plan what trailer and distribution hitch I need but I was wondering about what the sumo springs were. Thanks.
I'll have a video out about Sumo Springs the end of next week. They are a microfiber Urethane that captures air bubbles in the microfiber. And over load that has super memory foam developed by NASA. I'll have an install video and using them with load video
MrTruckTV Thank you for the reply. I’m looking forward to it.
I have the Sumo Springs (midrange) on my 2001 GMC 1/2 Ton pulling my 8,000-pound TT. They are great. More stable when loaded, very little difference when empty, and zero maintenance.
Any 1/2 ton can do it but it the long term deal give a beating on the truck, i know i got one, towing 10000 pound towing water and when the water tote are half full it push the truck the leftspring are getting tired putting axle seals alway red line the truck so now i will go with 3500 Cummins single wheel because of the aisin transmission for my business.
Yes, my water totes don't have baffles, so I worry
Mr. Truck just get yourself a Dee Zee tailgate damper for 30 dollars on amazon and it will do the same thing as the factory torsion Tailgate
I'll look at that
I like that little truck. Mr.Truck. I can't wait to see that little I6 gmc half ton soon also. CUMMINS>powerjoke durawhat?
Thanks
Would you feel confident in that truck towing that much weight coast to coast..
Not every day
Would you tow a 40' gooseneck at 12k lbs 2000 miles
Not 40 ft.
I'm looking to tow a 37' fifth wheel that's around 10,500 lbs loaded. According to my calculations, I should be within payload and just slightly under max for fifth wheel towing. I've got roadmaster active suspension on the rear and will likely run an Andersen goosneck hitch on e rated tires. Won't be towing with any liquids in the rig.
In your opinion, do you think my 2021 F150 with 6.5' bed handle the length and weight ok? 3.5L with 3.55 gears.
We're going to be full timing, but in 3 to 4 month increments. So not towing every week.
Hey, Kent. I have a 6400 lb (dry weight) toy hauler, 30’. My 01 f-250, which gets 19.6 mpg empty, is falling apart. I’m looking at either fix or repair daily, or getting another truck. I tow about 25% of the time. The rest of the time I’m fishing, off-roading, seeing the sights, etc., so fuel efficiency is important. I’m torn between a new f-150, 3.5 eco boost for the towing capability and the Ram 1500 eco-diesel for the fuel mileage. Any thoughts?
I'm happy with my EcoBoost. The Eco-Diesel with it's 8-speed does well. Diesel will always get better fuel mileage especially towing.
Gm is full of shit that's why 😂😂. Do a dyno run on any vehicle and the power always drops at high altitude. Let me know if the gm struggles more up there.
What about all the people who say you need a superduty? Truck did great!
My mother-in-law is WELL OVER 160 lbs, so............yeah.
It happens