Thank you finally the perfect video that explains the reality of the 1/2 ton.... Most trailers you camp with up to 28' come in at 9000 to 10000 pounds but in every day living most guys only need a 1/2 ton and don't want a 2/3 ton... most of us 1/2 ton guy are towing 10000 pounds all the time when we need it...
Insane Shane! 🤣 Love your out-of-the-box tests. The 4 wheel independent suspension and proper weight distribution is the key for sure but having a capable tow vehicle is the rest of the formula for success. I’m curious what your MPG was for that tow test. FYI, my F-250 diesel Tremor towing a similar 8,000 pound off road trailer (proudly purchased from ROA) gets 13-14 MPG overall and 22-24 MPG when not towing.
Nice! -- QUESTION -- How does the scale know the weight of the trailer without your disconnecting it from the F150 and driving the F150 off the scale? There is always weight from the trailer being put onto the trailer hitch and we cannot tell is the F150 weight includes , say 1200 lbs from the trailer?? How is this done exactly?
Yes the F-150 2.7 / 3.5 Ecoboost is a great TV if used within its rating's. The Unicorn numbers you showed from the tow guide only apply to very few that are on the road, You need to use the tow guide if they do not have a tow rating info plate. There are 5 weight rating you shall not exceed, GCVWR, GVWR, GAWR (steer and drive), HRR and add tires for #6. This is how I figure out Tow Rating for my 13 SCREW which is rated @11200, GCVWR(17000)-GVWR(7700) = 9300, HitchRecieverRating(1120)- Hitch Weight(70)=1080 MAX TW. The GVWR of TT is 8519. TW would be 1107 @.13% so I am limited to 8050 not to exceed HRR or any other rating for a week of FHU camping. The UEV-19 was overloaded(gvwr8376),TV HRR exceeded(500 max TW w/o WDH, GRAWR exceeded(4600) and possible TV GVWR being exceeded 2540 FA +-Drive 4600=7140 and Excessive speed. With all this being said this video was another example of how NOT to tow.
I have a 2017 F-150 3.5 EcoBoost with Max Tow package so very similar. My truck had a class IV hitch which is standard. The stock hitch is rated up to 1,220 tongue weight IF used with a weight distribution system. Without a WD system it’s limited to 500 pounds. You stated that you did not use a WD system and with a trailer weight of 9,000 pounds the tongue weight had to be around 900 pounds which far exceeds the limit of your hitch. I know my truck is older and your test truck is rated to tow a bit more than mine, but I’d guess that your hitch is probably a class IV hitch and you were lucky nothing happened. Other factors not mention was wind and road condition which could stress that hitch. BTW I upgraded my hitch to a class V hitch because I carry a motorcycle on a rack attached to the hitch. With the class IV hitch the loaded rack would bend down in a scary way.
That was a concern that I had also when he said that he was not using a WDH, he was limited to a 5000 lb tow. Ford explicitly says in the manual not to tow above that 5000 lb amount / and 500 lb receiver weight, for a reason, if involved in an accident or causes one he will be liable and his insurance company may not cover him
I'm curious what is the rear axle rating on the max tow package. My '18 F-150 has 3800lb rear axle. You are way over that but I don't have max tow package. The other point is that your trailer is around 10000lb because you only look at the trailer axles weight without the hitch weight.
@@MichaelCsikos That's what the owners manual states... but it was fine. I usually tow with a 1 ton diesel but it was down for maintenance. Zero issue heading down the mountains.
these new 3.5s can TOW the old 4.9 i6 in my 82 "could" tow 9000 but i would be in 3rd gear a lot and it would not be fun at all and i would have to watch my breaks because the rear drums build a ton of heat if used a lot but these new trucks go and stop nicely i got a 8 foot super 2020 f150 now and it pulls things so smoothly compared to my last truck its like nothing is hooked up
The thing I find most disturbing is that most people are focused on what their truck's maximum weight can pull. What about looking at truck payload limits ? Modern trucks will run out of payload capacity long before maxing out their towing capabilities.
Cool video. But you were over the drive axle weight by almost 1000 pounds. Therefore making it illegal to drive that on a public road. A wdh should hav even used to evenly distribute the weight.
I couldn't push the "thumbs down" on your comment,fast enough! C'mon dude, he was trying to educate us on the capabilities of the awesome F-150 ! I guess you always gotta have one in the bunch 😠
@@DRDRE-ex6yg listen friend, I tow a large tt with my f150. It’s a great truck. I’m assuming you don’t tow or know much about payload. You should NEVER overload front or rear axle. Completely throws off how the vehicle handles and is illegal. If you get in an accident while overloaded, insurance will not cover and you could be criminally charged. I said this was a cool video. But ppl watching need to understand payload and how dangerous this was.
We would not recommend that. The UEV19 is 6.560lbs empty. After you fill it up you will easily hit you max tow rating of 7,700lbs. That is not recommended. You would be best looking for something under 7000 after loaded. The New Xplore units would fit well in that range
Your CAT ticket says Drive Axle weight here is 4600 pounds. Later you show truck specs with max payload of 3200 pounds. My F150 has rear axle rating of 3500 pounds. My experience is it is never the TOW number but always the Payload number that gets you in trouble. But wait... now you are driving 80MPH on a crowded highway with what seems to me to be an overloaded rig. Really not trying to be a "Karen" but I think you should rethink this video, IMO it does not show you or your company in a good light. Lets short stop a school but in front of you and see how quickly you can stop that bomb.
Sorry but you don’t have correct info. You are reading the CAT ticket incorrectly. The truck was never weighed. We did not overload the payload of the truck. The tuck may have had 900-1000lbs max on the hitch. Thanks for your in-depth comment.
No wd hitch? Says right on the hitch receiver do not exceed 5000 pounds trailer weight and 500 tongue weight without a wdh. If you want to tow max you’re suppose to use a wdh.
Theres also alot of idiots towing way over the capabilities of the vehicles and their skills. Its why there are rules to follow so the idiots dont put others who are obeying safe towing in jeopardy.
@@89turbomk3 Stress test, on a freeway with other people in the way. If that trailer blows a tire or their hitch breaks, they're putting other people's lives in danger.
Do not drop a trailer on the scale. It's rude, especially if other people are waiting. Weigh the truck and trailer together. Then go park the trailer (not in front of the scale). Then weigh just the truck. The difference is the weight of the trailer. You were over weight on your truck. The max GVWR for 2018 was 7050 lbs. You were 7140 lbs with the trailer connected.
Sadly, it's still a FORD. And Ford has a new scam. Build vehilces any way they can and ship it to the dealer, regardless of what else was ordered on it. That must be military strong, and quality is job one, at Ford.
Thank you finally the perfect video that explains the reality of the 1/2 ton.... Most trailers you camp with up to 28' come in at 9000 to 10000 pounds but in every day living most guys only need a 1/2 ton and don't want a 2/3 ton... most of us 1/2 ton guy are towing 10000 pounds all the time when we need it...
WOW !!! I honestly didn't know the ford was that capable. Thank you for showcasing this. You guyz have my vote that's for sure 🙂
Lmfaoooooo
Very impressed with that F150! Even looks fantastic with the UEV 19 thanks for showing what it can handle Shane!
Insane Shane! 🤣 Love your out-of-the-box tests. The 4 wheel independent suspension and proper weight distribution is the key for sure but having a capable tow vehicle is the rest of the formula for success. I’m curious what your MPG was for that tow test. FYI, my F-250 diesel Tremor towing a similar 8,000 pound off road trailer (proudly purchased from ROA) gets 13-14 MPG overall and 22-24 MPG when not towing.
Just picked up a used 2019 with the tow package , same config as you have here. This is just what I want to know. Thanks.
I would really like to know the transmission temp at the top of the climp.
Nice! -- QUESTION -- How does the scale know the weight of the trailer without your disconnecting it from the F150 and driving the F150 off the scale? There is always weight from the trailer being put onto the trailer hitch and we cannot tell is the F150 weight includes , say 1200 lbs from the trailer?? How is this done exactly?
Went to my local Walmart to get some bottled water. Turns out they had completely run out...Great test and encouraging to see!
hahaha
Would have been easier and faster to get some bags of sand or concrete
Yes the F-150 2.7 / 3.5 Ecoboost is a great TV if used within its rating's. The Unicorn numbers you showed from the tow guide only apply to very few that are on the road, You need to use the tow guide if they do not have a tow rating info plate. There are 5 weight rating you shall not exceed, GCVWR, GVWR, GAWR (steer and drive), HRR and add tires for #6. This is how I figure out Tow Rating for my 13 SCREW which is rated @11200, GCVWR(17000)-GVWR(7700) = 9300, HitchRecieverRating(1120)- Hitch Weight(70)=1080 MAX TW. The GVWR of TT is 8519. TW would be 1107 @.13% so I am limited to 8050 not to exceed HRR or any other rating for a week of FHU camping. The UEV-19 was overloaded(gvwr8376),TV HRR exceeded(500 max TW w/o WDH, GRAWR exceeded(4600) and possible TV GVWR being exceeded 2540 FA +-Drive 4600=7140 and Excessive speed. With all this being said this video was another example of how NOT to tow.
Solid, real world, tow. Knowing hitch weight rating of truck and trailer hitch weight would be good. Thanks for the video
How did you not exceed the tongue weight rating of 500lbs bumper with a 9,000lb trailer?
I have a 2017 F-150 3.5 EcoBoost with Max Tow package so very similar. My truck had a class IV hitch which is standard. The stock hitch is rated up to 1,220 tongue weight IF used with a weight distribution system. Without a WD system it’s limited to 500 pounds. You stated that you did not use a WD system and with a trailer weight of 9,000 pounds the tongue weight had to be around 900 pounds which far exceeds the limit of your hitch. I know my truck is older and your test truck is rated to tow a bit more than mine, but I’d guess that your hitch is probably a class IV hitch and you were lucky nothing happened. Other factors not mention was wind and road condition which could stress that hitch. BTW I upgraded my hitch to a class V hitch because I carry a motorcycle on a rack attached to the hitch. With the class IV hitch the loaded rack would bend down in a scary way.
That was a concern that I had also when he said that he was not using a WDH, he was limited to a 5000 lb tow. Ford explicitly says in the manual not to tow above that 5000 lb amount / and 500 lb receiver weight, for a reason, if involved in an accident or causes one he will be liable and his insurance company may not cover him
I'm curious what is the rear axle rating on the max tow package. My '18 F-150 has 3800lb rear axle. You are way over that but I don't have max tow package. The other point is that your trailer is around 10000lb because you only look at the trailer axles weight without the hitch weight.
Going up hills with a 1/2 ton isn't a problem, it's going down the other side where the tail can wag the dog.
I just got done towing 12,000 lbs on a f150 through the mountains. It was fine.
@@brianthompson9485 Interesting. What type of hitch?
@@MichaelCsikos Just a regular bumper pull, no weight distribution or sway control.
@@brianthompson9485 I thought the F150 needed a WDH to tow 12k? In any case, it's a big tow for a 5,000 lbs truck.
@@MichaelCsikos That's what the owners manual states... but it was fine. I usually tow with a 1 ton diesel but it was down for maintenance. Zero issue heading down the mountains.
You bumper pulled? How did you not exceed the tongue weight on the hitch?
Are those trailer tires rated for the speed youre traveling???
With all the extras, did someone forget to add a dual axle for stability? What an oversight!
these new 3.5s can TOW
the old 4.9 i6 in my 82 "could" tow 9000 but i would be in 3rd gear a lot and it would not be fun at all and i would have to watch my breaks because the rear drums build a ton of heat if used a lot
but these new trucks go and stop nicely i got a 8 foot super 2020 f150 now and it pulls things so smoothly compared to my last truck its like nothing is hooked up
The thing I find most disturbing is that most people are focused on what their truck's maximum weight can pull. What about looking at truck payload limits ? Modern trucks will run out of payload capacity long before maxing out their towing capabilities.
Gives me hope with my Ford!
Would have been to see the payload sticker on the door jamb.
Cool video. But you were over the drive axle weight by almost 1000 pounds. Therefore making it illegal to drive that on a public road. A wdh should hav even used to evenly distribute the weight.
I couldn't push the "thumbs down" on your comment,fast enough! C'mon dude, he was trying to educate us on the capabilities of the awesome F-150 ! I guess you always gotta have one in the bunch 😠
@@DRDRE-ex6yg listen friend, I tow a large tt with my f150. It’s a great truck. I’m assuming you don’t tow or know much about payload. You should NEVER overload front or rear axle. Completely throws off how the vehicle handles and is illegal. If you get in an accident while overloaded, insurance will not cover and you could be criminally charged. I said this was a cool video. But ppl watching need to understand payload and how dangerous this was.
9000 lbs is way over Ford's tow rating without a weight distribution hitch.
Differential Ratio? 6 speed or 10 speed?
great video!
What was the average MPG on this test?
I have same truck, tow 7-8k camper and get 8-10 mpg @70-80mph
Wow
What state/area is this in? Very beautiful
Utah. Thanks
Can a 2012 LR4 or 2022 Land Rover Defender tow this? (~7700 lbs capacity)
We would not recommend that. The UEV19 is 6.560lbs empty. After you fill it up you will easily hit you max tow rating of 7,700lbs. That is not recommended. You would be best looking for something under 7000 after loaded. The New Xplore units would fit well in that range
@@ROAOffRoad actually just spotted the newest Defender can tow up to 8200 .. might work?
Shocks, old or new, don't affect how much the vehicle swats. The springs do. Shocks affects how fast the suspension moves.
Your CAT ticket says Drive Axle weight here is 4600 pounds. Later you show truck specs with max payload of 3200 pounds. My F150 has rear axle rating of 3500 pounds. My experience is it is never the TOW number but always the Payload number that gets you in trouble. But wait... now you are driving 80MPH on a crowded highway with what seems to me to be an overloaded rig. Really not trying to be a "Karen" but I think you should rethink this video, IMO it does not show you or your company in a good light. Lets short stop a school but in front of you and see how quickly you can stop that bomb.
Sorry but you don’t have correct info. You are reading the CAT ticket incorrectly. The truck was never weighed. We did not overload the payload of the truck. The tuck may have had 900-1000lbs max on the hitch. Thanks for your in-depth comment.
No wd hitch? Says right on the hitch receiver do not exceed 5000 pounds trailer weight and 500 tongue weight without a wdh. If you want to tow max you’re suppose to use a wdh.
what's the rmp at 80m/hr
The RPM? We were around 2000-2500
What about hills
Approve my previous comment please
Theres also alot of idiots towing way over the capabilities of the vehicles and their skills.
Its why there are rules to follow so the idiots dont put others who are obeying safe towing in jeopardy.
You shouldn’t be doing 80mph with that trailer
they are doing a stress test
@@89turbomk3 Stress test, on a freeway with other people in the way. If that trailer blows a tire or their hitch breaks, they're putting other people's lives in danger.
There's always gotta to be an 'Officer Dudley Do- Right " in the crowd, what a miserable dude!
see them towing 5th wheels soo...
Do not drop a trailer on the scale. It's rude, especially if other people are waiting. Weigh the truck and trailer together. Then go park the trailer (not in front of the scale). Then weigh just the truck. The difference is the weight of the trailer. You were over weight on your truck. The max GVWR for 2018 was 7050 lbs. You were 7140 lbs with the trailer connected.
Useless video when you don't list what truck you are using
Sadly, it's still a FORD. And Ford has a new scam. Build vehilces any way they can and ship it to the dealer, regardless of what else was ordered on it. That must be military strong, and quality is job one, at Ford.
Yes going in a straight line, now try it threw the mountains ⛰️ 🤔