Testing a CSF Intercooler on our F87 M2 GTS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.พ. 2019
- We've used CSF's products on many cars and found them to always perform well. You may have seen us fit the CSF N55 intercooler to an M2 before, and also a 435D, but it was time to properly test the intercooler on our own M2 GTS, Starla.
The car is running our Stage 2 ECU tune, along with Supersprint Decat downpipe and V2 Eventuri Intake.
Our testing confirmed what we'd seen before, that the CSF Intercooler for the N55 is unmatched in terms of performance, along with value for money.
You can view the logs here - datazap.me/u/evolveautomotive...
CSF High Performance Intercooler:
www.evolveautomotive.com/csf-...
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The OG is just a very special car. I love owning mine.
Great to see STARLA back, amazing insight about an Intercoolers job! My only complaint, the video could be longer as find your knowledge so interesting mate ;-)
Ah stop it mate. 😂 Starla has 500 bhp too now. You need a test drive 😁
Joe Achilles main man joe.
A good coffee and another great video from Evolve.That is a GOOD MORNING!!!
love your guys videos. I have a 2017 M2 LCI and I use your channel for a lot of my eduction on the car. Thank you
Thanks Ryan, enjoy the car!
Good video, no BS, proper testing and good video editing! With multiple pulls gear after gear the difference in IAT and power will be even bigger as the stock IC will get heatsoaked badly.
Yes it would suffer badly on track
Really great video followed up by some brilliant data from the logs to satisfy the geeks amongst us! Thank you
Would you say the huge dip in ignition timing half way through 5th is as a result of knock? The way the timing drops to 4 degrees doesn't seem linked to iAT (unsure when these actually start to pull timing due to iAT? Do you know?) but it looks like it detects knock and pulls timing, then starts to reintroduce it as you see the timing climbing back up to towards 10
👌👍 love this M2
Thanks! We love it too 😍
Nice work. It would be really cool to see the data logs of a S55 engine equipped with the CSF top mount heat exchanger. Data backed evidence in king!
That’s in the plans to do 💪🏻
I am gonna just LIKE the video cos I am sleeping,going to watch it tommorow.I am sure it will be great👊
Great video!
Did intercooler upgrade on my ewg n55 f30, it’s huge difference in warm weather, not heatsoak at all.
Love your work Imran, you and the team are doing a Stella job. I will soon make contact with you. My M2 Competition will soon be with me.
Thanks Roberto. Appreciate the comments 😁
great content🥶
Super!
What was the ambient temperature when you did those logs?
It's very useful to see the delta between outside air and the IAT's.
I had Wagner EVO2 FMIC on my N54, and absolutely loved, done ton of logs on it before and after, and I thought it was really effective. It's also a tube and fin intercooler, so it was super light. I believe CSF is bar and plate design so they're quite heavy (worst location to add weight to the very front-end of the car).
Tossing between repeating Wagner again for the M2 or go CSF this time.
A great video, very informative and I love that logging software too. It's very clear. Is that in house software?
We used a JB4 to log the data and then datazap to display it.
Would you say the huge dip in ignition timing half way through 5th is as a result of knock? The way the timing drops to 4 degrees doesn't seem linked to iAT (unsure when these actually start to pull timing due to iAT? Do you know?) but it looks like it detects knock and pulls timing, then starts to reintroduce it as you see the timing climbing back up to towards 10
Imran, love the vid and LOVE the car! What side skirts did you have installed on that M2? I've seen the M Performance ones that are only winglets, and I've seen the Chinese knock-offs with tacky triangle-shaped winglets on them, but not the flat ones that go all the way down the running boards like those. Where can I get these for my M2?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks Jason! They are M Performance ones from the M4 cut down to suit the M2. We can also supply the RKP carbon ones which are made specifically for the M2. We have them for our car and are waiting to put them on.
Excellent informative video. If this isn't a reason to upgrade your inter cooler. I don't know what is. Were the tests done on pump fuel Imran?
Hello Del! Yes it was on Shell V Power 99 RON.
Great video thanks! Did you upgrade the charge pipe? If so which brand would you recommend with the CSF intercooler?
We recommend Masata or MMR charge pipes.
If you are upgraded your intercooler do you still have upgrade the charge pipe?
Great video. What do you use to capture those logs. Is it something an end user can do?
Cheers. For this particular logging we used the JB4 as we use it to run meth on this M2 sometimes.
Whats the weight difference, the aftermarket has a lot more thermal mass so it will keep the air cooler for longer but will take longer to cool down. Doing a run for a couple of seconds is not fair, you should do a 5 min stress test. Also the factory cooler fins are largely bent over restricting air flow.
Please do it with a M3/M4 intercooler! Would be great!
We’ll be doing it with the CSF charge cooler in the near future.
Inlet turbo pipe mods?
Any data on s55 water to air intercooler over stock
what charge pipe are you running with the csf cooler?
Front splitter needs an orange pin stripe to match the skirts (imo)
The bottom section is orange, we remove it so the car can easily get on/off the dyno during testing.
@@EvolveAutomotive Yep completely forgot about the bottom section that was fitted before 😓
Stock intercooler looks like a lot of the fins have been squashed (likely to small stones through lower honeycomb mesh?) I would say this would have some performance impact as it looked about 50% closed. (Feel free to correct me if the is no performance drop). If that's the case it would probably be advisable to install some stainless fine steel mesh to front of intercooler to protect it. What do you think? (Not trying to criticize your product)
Yes it has some light stone damage but the car has made the same power every time we have dynod or Vbox tested it. We have also done this test before on other N55 cars but not published results and the results are the same.
@@EvolveAutomotive great work. Part of the reason i like this channel. Thorough testing and objective views. Keep up the good work.
Is there an FMIC you would recommend on a stock M2 for improved cooling but no introduced turbo lag? I would like to have a better FMIC for the health of the engine but I also really love the lack of lag in the M2 and do not wish any increase in lag whatsoever..
We would still recommend the CSF in this case.
Did carbon ceramic breaks come as an option on the m2? And how do you like them? And issues ? I have f80 M3 6 speed with cc breaks, 13.5 k to replace breaks... yikes
No, we fitted them ourselves as part of the M2 GTS project. They’re incredible.
Can you safely reach 400 WHP on a N55 such as a M235I and
435i? with full bolt on and a stage 2 with keeping reliability and not using methanol
or ethanol.
The figures on this video are calculated crank figures. 400whp is not possible on the stock turbo on pump fuel. Also depends what Dyno you are talking about for example Dyno Jet reads higher than every other Dyno
This might be a silly question, but with the comparison is the power increase literally just after bolting on the intercooler, or are you mapping it in and then doing a power run?
Just Intercooler difference.
Did you see higher boost with the stock cooler as ign timing dipped (compared to the CSF)?
You can view the logs here but we saw negligible differences in boost between the two - datazap.me/u/evolveautomotive/stock-vs-csf-n55-intercooler?log=0&data=1
@@EvolveAutomotive Thanks for that. Had a quick look over them. I see that that it is indeed negligible, but slightly higher for the stock setup. Is this perhaps due to the load targeting the ECU does, perhaps compensating for less overall ign timing by raising boost? Or is more likely to do with a negligible loss of pressure due to different flow characteristics/volume of the CSF.
@@EvolveAutomotive Scratch that, I just aligned the RPM between both runs and it truly is negligible
@@Bestwick1983 yes the only difference is due to the RPMs being slightly different.
Hi, is there any increase in turbolag with this larger intercooler?
The dyno graph and logs would say not. More power through the rev range and the logs show no pressure drop compared to stock.
Does this work on an n57 engine?
Is this a direct bolt on with no cutting required? I also have a 18” LCI M2
Yes it is
Can you get one of these intercoolers for e90 335i with the n55 in
Unfortunately I don’t think so
How does this compare to the VRSF 7.5 intercooler?
Haven’t tested one but we don’t supply VRSF.
Does it work on the N54 engine?
Yes they make one for the N54 too
What about the s55 engine with stage 2
S55 has a air to water charge cooler, unlike the air to air intercooler like the N55 shown in this video
Evolve Automotive yes im aware, i see alot of negative feedback on csf with the s55 engine not properly doing the job. I was curious if it is still a effective upgrade with heat exchanger and topmount on a stage 2
I'M CURIOUS, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS USE A SINGLE ROLLER OF THE DYNOS WHEN IT IS SUPPOSED TO USE BOTH, WHEN USING ONLY ONE THE HP INCREASES.
No need to shout Miguel.
Okay, two things. Firstly only the front roller is measuring, the second is a free wheel roller purely for the car to rest on. As the car starts to accelerate it ‘climbs’ the front roller that is reading the power. This is because the dyno is controlling rate of acceleration of the vehicle. This will give you more accurate figures as you are removing the drag from the second roller. In the real world the tyre only contacts the road once, so why would it sit on two rollers?
Secondly, we always strap cars as similarly as humanly possible, to remove variances of strapping method as this can alter the results. This means that we get a reliable delta figure, the difference between the before and after. As always the peak figure is largely meaningless, we are looking at shape of graph and difference before and after.