Excavator Repair: Swing Bearing, Injectors, Injection Pump, Oil Cooler.
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- Work continues on the Case 170B, and the Deutz BF6L913C air cooled diesel engine. I sort out the swing bearing, and remove the injectors and injection pump for rebuild, plus more cleanup and a few other things. This engine has a different style of injection pump and it is much more involved to remove the it was on the John Deere 1010 and many other engines. Always more to learn!
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Happy belated 4th of July! We are making some good progress on The Beast. Big thanks to Area Diesel Service for helping me out. They are a great resource to have for a guy like me who is always working on unfamiliar engines for the first time, trying to figure them out. I hope everybody has an awesome weekend! Many people wondered where I got the plugs: amzn.to/3xJzXak. I also forgot to mention that before pulling the swing bearing out all the hydraulic lines between the house and the undercarriage would have to be disconnected. Cheers!
Happy belated 4th to you!!
Another outstanding video. Superior content served here!
Happy belated 4th Jon! Thanks for posting excellent videos!!
Matt from Diesel Creek also uses Area Diesel Service for his troubles.
Hi John, its Nice to see you well .
Ya know, work doesn't bother me, I can sit here and watch you work for hours! :}
Yeah and neither does work scare me. I can sleep right next to it. 😮
I can't even imagine tearing into anything like this
Awesome comment. I’ve never once not learned something from his episodes
@@danno5662he’s absolutely fearless. So much admiration for him
I bet it will take a few days to get the smile off your face after finding swing bearing problem good job
The non-existent swing bearing problem 😄
@@Frank-Thoresen The electronic switch swing bearing problem 😂😂
I see FarmCraft101. I watch. Cannot get enough of your videos. Your approach to fixing things has enspired me many times over. Do not stop what you are doing. You have the right recipe.
Yeah, he's definitely got the nack! I can't keep viewers on my videos for anything!!
Thanks for your time. Nice job! Explaining everything.
Great job Jon I would have gone the same route can't wait to see area diesel service video can't wait for your next video
Can’t wait until you get it mechanically sound so you can put some new glass in it and paint it
Aswell as his mechanical ability, his videos are very well edited, the start of this with machine swinging is a good example.
This stuff beats the hell out of anything on tv or at the movies!!!❤
A quick and dirty trick with copper washers, is to heat them to cherry red with a torch, which will anneal the copper, making it soft again and allow it to seal better.
Yep I have done that in the past when I had no replacement copper washers. Always worked for me.
Cherry red and then quench. Coppers weird stuff, when you heat and quench it gets SOFT lol. It gets hard from work hardening.
@@Kodack-ki2im The quench isn't needed, but it will save time versus letting it air cool.
Hi! Each sleeve/cylinder and it's head are all separate from each other so if one fails, you don't need to rebuild the whole engine unless it is worn out of course.
All cylinders are held down by four trough bolts and if you have ever taken a cylinder off from a air cooled motorbike, it is exactly the same concept.
What we usually do is we take the oil pan off, unbolt the conrod, take off the valve cover and the rockers. Take off the plugs for the trough bolts and then after taking off the bolts, take off the bolts/studs for the intake and exhaust manifolds for that cylinder and then the whole assembly with the conrod, piston, liner comes right off.
This will save money a lot. And if you need to do the whole engine, you don't need to waste money machining cylinder heads. Even if one head is warped, what I did I just used valve grinding compound between the liner and the head and just rotated the liner with a drill (using some thread bar and wood blocks) and just lapped the surfaces flat again.
Heads can be bought separately as well and usually cost so little that no valvejob is really worth the effort, but can still be done if needed so.
This engine can also be rebuilt without even touching the bottom end. Start taking each cylinder apart from the alternator end and put things back in that same order.
Pistons can be taken off leaving the conrods on the crank.
At this point before just putting everything back together buy a lot of thin shims and put them between the block and the sleeve. When it is time to check the piston to valve clearance (1-1,2mm), I used solder wire trough the injector hole, you can just clip off shims until you get to wanted height.
If you forgot the shims, you can also buy different thickness gaskets to do the same job. I have done both methods :D
It is extremely well thought out engine and very reliable.
Maybe I should stop talking about it for now :D
EDIT: When you are putting back the injector make sure you have the correct washer for that job! Those are aluminium heads so if injectors leak you can't just torque it down more, it will crack.
Many people use copper washer, but you need to inspect a few times after installation that you won't see a black tar coming trough the cylinder fins on the exhaust side.
These engines can be used with a copper washer, but they make this sort of "cork / metal cap" washer for this exact engine. Just make sure those injectors won't slowly leak. The tar is next to impossible to get off.
EDIT2: Use a brass end wire wheel to clean the injector holes :D
Thanks Diglo1. You gave me some good tips in a previous video too, and I'm definitely taking notes! Super helpful to get info from people who are experienced with the engine. If you wouldn't mind an occasional question from me, I'd love to have your email. I'm liking the Deutz engine a lot, but the manual leaves much to be desired! Send me an email if you want: farmcraft101@yahoo.com. Cheers!
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What a relief that you didn't have to change that swing bearing. After watching how hard you work on things in your videos you are really impressive. My Dad, a WWII US Army Vet, born in 1923 ( his Dad born in 1870 ), taught me to keep working at whatever you do until it gets done. You are a prime example of this character. I hope others watch and learn this lesson well. A great key to success. Thanks brother. 🇺🇲👍
I was a Machinery Technician in the USCG. I can’t tell you how many times when something wasn’t working a ONOFF solution got things going and the only thing broken was the operator.
Your level of patience is staggering, the removal of those (2) nuts behind the injector pump, impressive.
Every pump I've worked on has been mounted that way.
I believe this is a Bosch pump similar to the P pump on Cummins, which also has four bolts.
The CAV pumps has three bolts, but it's no fun to get to the one on the bottom if it's in a boat, I can tell you that much. I've stood on my head and sweared more than one time to get to that one. The swearing helps though.
Videoing the Prosses adds to the challenge as well. God Bless All our farmers.Big thumbs Up.
And making that injector tool, and puller thing. Impressive.
What a great discovery about the swing brake 👍
Could have been money down the drain buying a replacement bearing when it's working just fine
Such an easy fix for something you think would be a big expensive headache of a job
Now he just has to fix the swing brakes so that they actually BRAKE !
A warm thanks from Tokyo for sharing Jon. Totally enjoy watching each episode of the “Beast’s” rebuild journey. Your mechanical/electrical knowledge, diligent problem solving analysis, persistence in difficult situations and your resourcefulness in “thinking outside the box “ are truly inspiring. Also, your timely injection of humor during difficult situations makes for a very enjoyable viewing experience. Eagerly awaiting continuing episodes of this fascinating rebuild. Cheers!
The brake "fails safe" so if power is lost it engages. Electrical connection powers brake off, no electrical connection, brake engages. Good job tracing the problem!
Does this mean that the swing motors are in "neutral" when power is off?
@@frodehauother way....if you remove power, the brake engages
@jswjr6001 well, that's what he said. I'm asking if the brake is needed because the motors will freewheel when the power is lost. There's tons of resistance in a hydraulic motor when the oil flow is blocked.
@@frodehau and some hydraulic systems have bypass valves on the return side to prevent them from hydro locking. I work on aircraft systems (including hydraulics) and those are certainly designed with a bypass. I would have to look at the hydraulic schematics to see if any valve bodies would allow hydraulics an alternate path if hydraulic power was removed
But, for the sake of the swing brake, if you lost all electrical power, it sounds like it will engage as a fail safe.
And, to the second part of your question, as to whether it is needed, it certainly looks like the engineers determined it was, hence its installation and power removed activation.
@jswjr6001 I'll try to illustrate with an example:
Picture this scenario. The excavator is standing on an incline with the arm extended. The engine then loses power. If the valves return to a default position where the ports on the motors aren't blocked so that they can turn freely, then gravity will turn the turret and boom at considerable speed.
I wondered if the motors were plumbed in a way that this could happen and if the brake was there to safeguard against this.
Maybe the circuit also can sense if a hose has ruptured? It's a huge machine that could cause quite a bit of carnage if it failed.
Bypass valves are commonly used on motors to protect them from overpressure. If they turn something that has high inertia, then the pressure spike can become extremely high if the oil flow is stopped quickly. You can't compress fluids much, so something has to give. I've seen gear motors and pump housings crack because of this and other causes like ice plugs, failed relief valves, and because things were plumbed incorrectly.
This has become my favorite channel, only because your way of clearly explaining and showing us the actual repair. But please change the busted glass as soon as possible and show us how you do it.
Always learn at least one thing on every one of your videos. Thanks for letting us watch over your shoulder.
170B, immovable object, meet Farmer Jon, unstoppable force.
Another excellent video. Don't beat yourself up about missing the brake troubleshooting, we have ALL been there. (I also don't recall seeing any comments with helpful hints.)
12 year auto mechanic and 3 years as a heavy duty mechanic, love watching your videos. Very thorough and right to the point. Keep it up!! 💪🏻🛠️
I really enjoy your longer videos John, I do also appreciate how long it must take to edit and actually film them. Keep up the great work. I watch every video you post :)
For locating noises like your swing brake, the best tool I've ever tried is the Steelman ChassisEar. It has a half dozen pickups you can attach to different suspected components, then switch between them as you run the equipment, so you can pretty easily tell which is the loudest. Works great even with tons of background noise.
Speaking as a former aircraft mechanic with the last experience being the B-52 in the US Air Force, I am truly impressed with your work on the excavator...I do not think I would attempt what you were doing, even though I managed to remove and replace (at night) a turbo on a twin engine aircraft without removing the engine which supposedly required removal of such...the pilot bet me $50 dollars it could not be done...that was a hard earned fifty bucks, a ton of money in the late 50s...
I'm kinda impressed with your collection of rubber plugs, and the fact that you use them.
Those deutz air cooled diesel engines were are some of the best made engines in the world imo. Seen them mostly in ag tractors when younger but knew guys that worked on the industrial engines. Well made and very decent on fuel for the power they make
Got to love those diesel showers especially when it's hot outside.
I think Farmcraft 101 is my favorite of all you tubes.....Jon does such a good job and always makes things interesting.
Ditto!
And that's why troubleshooting is so important. How much money and time did you save by exploring the electrical issues before attacking the swing bearing mechanically? Always impressed by your troubleshooting.
And always check/test the cheap fix, first!
Basic rule of a mechanic. Simplest things first, then order of operation. There is nothing worse than doing a 3 day jobs with 0 result
I'm an inspiring to be agricultural mechanic myself at only 17, and always find troubleshooting annoying and just think 'oh it could be this' and start to take stuff off. Through watching many many of your videos now, I've gotten to understand the importance of it and how it can make your life so much easier to identifying a problem. Definitely a talent troubleshooting is but I would love to learn it as a skill. I also am amazed with your patience, it is next level and will have to learn that instead of grabbing the hammer and use brute force. These videos are great to watch and put a smile on my face with all the jokes and come to appreciate the time and effort it takes editing and preping these videos, it doesn't go unnoticed. Stay happy and healthy Jon!
there is a screaming lesson to be learned about this episode....READ THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL. .....could save you time, money, and most importantly...your life. you'll make an excellent living working on large equipment.
Yeah, troubleshooting and bringing things back to life. A thing of the past that needs to come back to the now. Most of my watchings on youtube is me in search of channels like this. There is one other that really impresses me and that's "Cutting Edge Engineering". Both Farmcraft101 and CEE have taught me to slow down and think when I'm working on something and be patient. CEE has also taught me about appreciating and caring for my tools, Farmcraft has taught me to be thorough and innovative. There's one other, "The Greasy Shop Rag". That guy has helped with procedure when troubleshooting two cycle engines. I'm 63 and have alway enjoyed working with my hands and keeping things out of the landfill.
Your vast knowledge of mechanics leaves me in awe.
I bought a reman for my wife's Ford Edge because a mechanic told me a head gasket leak was causing 2nd episode of overheating. Rebuilding a 3.5 is a bad idea. Tolerances are ridiculously high for local shops. (Their recomendation without exception) Same mechanic changed the blown radiator and put the new thermostat in backwards. Had I checked that before buying the engine I'd have money to take her on vacation. I do ALL my own work now on my vehicles now. Manuals are a must. Everything works now as designed. Live and learn. By the way, my wife drives like Mario Andretti with that police engine so it won't be long before that reman gets installed. 😆
After realizing that most the cost for a mechanic was going to his pocket and not the parts or actual work, I stopped going to a mechanic, and started learning to do all my own work. Machinist by trade, so picking up a bit of mechanical know-how has saved me a lot of money.
I feel like your supervisor when I watch your channel. You are doing a fabulous job, I'll put you in for a raise.
I worked for a deutz dealer. In the aircooled days.. these engines are really reliable… and the cylinders are all individual. It’s a nice engine to work on. I hope you get a lot of work done with this piece of the past… when everything was easy and fixable
Very satisfying. The last couple of videos went a long way in preventing fires.
Jon, you never fail! Another fantastic video! I love your "Take no defeat attitude!" That alone is what makes your channel so valuable to me. I'm a farmer, too and I always learn something! Thanks, Lee
Never thought of using a crows foot with an impact like that! Thanks for another great video!
15:43 I LOVE when heat shrink work is done properly! Good job!
Would've helped to crimp first, then heat shrink, rather than letting the heat shrink eat up a good deal of the crimping pressure.
RTFM repairs are the best ones
I always tell my sons and friends to RTFM. Lots of answers to questions you might not have known that you had.
@@MKlein-j9b I'm all for trying to do work without the manual, but when it's THAT expensive of a fix lol...
Hey John, greetings from Sweden!
Amazing video (as always), the only thing I would imagine would improve your channel was more actual "farm work". As someone who has not stepped foot in a farm in 37 years I would love to see what actually goes on in your day to day. I don't care whether this would be posted to your second channel and unedited, it would just be an absolute blast to see what a cattle rancher actually does (when he's not making amazing TH-cam content ;)).
I was just about to comment our old case excavator has a swing brake switch. Then I decided to watch more.
When I saw you pulling those hard-to-reach nuts from behind the injector pump, I remembered the small coin like magnets we used to hold the nut in place in the socket for reinstalling hidden nuts like those.
It’s grown folks format . No hurry we got all day to watch every step!
I am watching this in the shop, man you make it hard to get anything done with all the great videos! lol
Awesome swing brake diagnostics.
SIR;
YOUR ARE SO TECHNICALLY INCLINED BEYOUND WORDS DESCRIPTIONS.
YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DIAGNOSTICS AND REPAIR WITH SUCH CARE THAT IMPRESSED THE HELL OF OF ME. GREAT JOB ALL THE WAY.
Honestly, I'm happy you don't have to do the swing bearing. That sounds like a semi-dangerous bit of balancing that could go very wrong. Glad it was just a simple electrical problem. Also glad you didn't have to go chasing sparkle gremlins very far to find the problem. Thanks for all the great content as usual. Take care.
Amen to not having to change swing bearings. Don't even think about doing that by yourself. Where I worked we had a big shop, lots of things to lift the "the house" up, stabilize it while you pull the carriage out. It is a tremendous job, and the one we worked on was only a 20 Ton machine.
Not to sure on why they have electric locking brakes on the machine. Hydraulics motors hold the machine from rotating while in use, but if you want to hold it while laying tile, dropping a heavy object in place, or moving machine. The brake is held off by hydraulic pressure, have to remember that. As to repairing it, would think you need to unless you want too. It holds somewhat, would think there would be a warning light, busser if locked on, unless it is disconnected, like we do with the annoying buzzers when traveling.
Great walk through, this was very relaxing to listen to. Cant wait to see the injector footage!
Thanks for showing this work and the process and tools that you use to complete tasks. We desperately need ppl with these skills imo and you are an excellent mentor and inspiration for others to follow.
WE ALL LOVE WATCHING YOU WORK ON THIS THING. "GOOD THING" ,AND GREAT CONTENT ! THANKS JON
Just finished CEE's Friday video and now yours popped up. What a perfect day :)
HAHA Same thing here!
Who is CEE?
@@Turkey_Bluff_Farms Cutting Edge Engineering
Cutting edge engeneering
same here, CEE is a very good channel too
Just a few broken windows but a good machine when the solenoids are finally sussed out. This machine can dig man.
Jon that connector you repaired is a 3 pin DIN connector, if you care to properly fix it someday in the future. I prefer the connectors with a built in LED. It helps simplify troubleshooting in the future.
Great video and content. You never give up. You are not afraid of anything. Farm life for sure. I would keep an eye on the swing bearing. Rotating the cab on a hillside will tell the tale. I have changed three in my time. The ones I found were rusted on the bearings balls. Thr races were ok to rebuild. If it starts again obtain access and spray diesel inside the bearing to flush it then hit it with the grease. Best wishes and good luck.
Hi John, Love your attention to detail, Making your own injector puller, that's next level . I had that engine on a screening plant and it would over heat and shut off, because it is oil /air cooled, The solution was I had to replace the white plastic fan in front of the engine . It looked fine but the gap between the fan blades and the duct work was to large. One other point ,check the bolts that go thru the banjo fittings on the fuel supply line. There may be a small plastic rock screen the size of a pencil eraser, that are threaded inside the bolt . Link belt calls them a rock screen. Bad name seeing how it is so small. Mine was full of dirt and caused me a real headache.
Watching you work and listening to your bob whites, doesn't get any better. Wow, we want more . . . .on another video on the Beast. Keep the Bob Whites handy for the next video.
Great Video again John. Really enjoy your trouble shooting methodology as well as your auto-critique as you work through a situation.
A lot of progress and definitely a case of RTFM. It's amazing how much neglect The Beast survived.
So pleased for you that the swing bearing was such an easy fix. I would not have envied you that job. Good luck with the rest of the repairs.
It would be really satisfying to see the glass replaced
When you took off the oil pressure sensor the back of the nut that was left on them you took that off a small seal fell off the back of it. Watch back the video it just so you know where it’s gone.
Thanks. I got it. Cheers!
Always amazing! I could maybe get it partially disassembled, but no way could I get it back together.
Great content.
If your wife's first question after you ask her to swing your multi-ton Excavator while you crawl around it looking for noise is "Are we up to date on your Life Insurance premiums?" rethink things....if not, than She's a Keeper!
😄😁😆😅😂🤣
Just because she doesn't outright kill you, it doesn't mean she'll ask if you're okay if she does hit you.
Dude he's WAYYYYY too handy she'd never bump him off... unless they move to a condo😂😂😂
nice job on figuring out that you did not need new/new used swing bearings!
Hey Jon, the longer the better for me your uploads are that good to watch. Many thanks from a 'townie' in UK.
Dude, you should do a mini episode where you wire wheel and repaint some of the outer parts like the counter weight. I'd love to see new glass in it also.
This thing is gonna be nice enough it might deserve some new glass.
I was hoping to watch you change out that bearing, but I'm happy that you don't have to.
I hope you're enjoying the rain and that the pond is filling up.
Your yellow cone temporary seals are very cool.
Great work Jon. That pump looked a bugger to get off. I like the way you need a tool…then make it. That swing bearing was a huge win! 🇦🇺🍺🍺
I like your approach to how you troubbleshoot things. Read the manual and measure. Keep up the good work and the videos comming. 👍
You probably ain't going to believe this but when I first heard that sound I said it's a break deal 😅..electric grease is your friend on equipment, great video, keep'um coming.
a TIP, next time you pull an injector, put a leaf blower on the intake and rotate the engine so its intake valve is open, keeps junk from falling INTO the cylinder. You would ABSOLUTELY bore scope each now and make sure you have NO debris in there.
good idea, have done that.
@@donalddoty2543 had to do the same thing with drilling and tapping an exhaust manifold in place. Just wear safety squints
Great to see you finally get a win with having a semi easy fix for the swing arm bearing. Thanks for the video.
Those injector pumps certainly do seem complex, time and time again Area Diesel highlights the shortcomings of men.
My father was a machinist who manufactured hydraulic units for tanks, one of the books he had on Hydraulic Architecture, its about 80% just mathematical formulas.
That circuit board with relays looks fairly straight forward if need be any of that stuff is required. good luck.
John , do yourself a big favor and clean the cooling fan and the jugs . And make yourself a rolling shop ladder/ scaffold to work on that case .😊😊
I was so relieved when you discovered the bad connection. 😅
Jon! Love your video's sir, you are such a natural teacher, a true gift sir!
I've always used Oven Cleaner on engine blocks, if I don't take them to a machine shop. Works so much better on heavy oil/grease than break cleaners
I have to thank you for your tip of the shop vacuum on the hydraulic tank to reduce leaking when removing a hose or fitting. I have done this at least 3 times, works awesome
Outstanding cautious and methodical engine cleaning job in my opinion. I just wonder how clean are all those fins surrounding each cylinder pot.
Those Deutz engines are renown for great reliability and huge engine hours but you must maintain all the cooling aspects to avoid trouble. Dan
Thanks Buddy. Also thanks to Mess Stopper . Essential items are sometimes the last thing on our mind. Like plugs for fuel and oil circuits.👌👍👍👍
john anderson just a swinging should ave been in the intro...it was in my head anyways
lol..beat me to it..was thinking the same thing..so smile along with you..
Lmao. I think that’s my goto song when I am on my cat excavator now lol
When all else fails, read the manual!
Been there done that!
Good news on the Swing Bearing...Keep those videos coming on this machine...thank you Jon...for bringing us along.
Man I love this channel and this series! Thanks John! Wow you got an easy fix for once!!! Amazing
@14:15 that was DEFINNITELY arcing and sparking due to a loose connection. It's unmistakable. BRAVO on that find, good sir!
One thing about it you’re not scared to get neck deep into a project. Hope it all turns out well.
Please make a video each week. When I miss one of your videos I go directly into depression and keep checking to see if you have put up a new video. I guess I am addicted.
I'll just take this off...should be easy. Your idea of easy and my idea of easy are worlds apart! Great video.
John I will never have to do this type of job but I sure like watching you do it.
Best creator on TH-cam, thanks Jon. Have you thought of using a hot water pressure washer on the beast? Take care.
Matt
Perfect is the enemy of complete. Knowing when to say good enough is a skill not everyone has. Some do it way to early, some never know when to quit. You've got a good sense for it, kudos.
One thing about doing that yourself is you learn all about your own equipment.
I know I'm watching too close when you knock the camera down and I try and catch my phone 😂😂
Happy belated 4th!!
Thanks John, I really enjoyed watching you work on the excavator, so glad you discovered what the swing noise was. Looking forward to the next instalments.
Amazing effect on that faulty tiny electrical connection on the swing brake. Who woulda thought??
Also, beautiful call of quail in the background. Wild or pen raised birds? Thanks for the great videos and content!!
Wild birds. Thanks!
You pulling out those burned wires... yeah that will do it... :D Man this machine certainly is a good source for sarcasm and content...
Im really enjoying the progress you're making on your Poclain. Lots of interesting stuff, I i never worked on them when I was an apprentice truck/ heavy plant mechanic, only the later 88 series. Thanks for posting such informative and interesting content. Great stuff 👍
"We are all idiots" - John Farmcraft's words of wisdom 😄👍
I now have a ritual of saving your videos to watch every Friday or Saturday so I have motivation to work on my own equipment!
But I have to tell you....all I stare at is the broken windows! I hope that repair is in an upcoming video while you wait for ADS to repair the Injectors and Injection Pump!
Where is today's video.. we are hooked!!
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It’s always fun watching you tackle all the challenges you face & challenges you give yourself also. Keep up the good work!
If you think you might ever need to remove the injector pump again you might consider making nut extensions for the back two. Maybe weld the nuts to a long piece of tubing/pipe that extends to the back of the pump and a nut to the other end.
Buried fasteners like that always get me thinking "How am I going to get this back in, later?" In this case, it's nuts on studs, so the fuel injector pump should will self align, hang on the studs. If it was bolts, ho baby!
This man tenacity among his many positive character traits is commendable.