Happy that its hanging around. Grateful that it's keeping the V8 and manual options. But I despise that interior. I'd rather spend the 50K+ on a slightly used S550 Bullitt or Mach 1. And I'd rather spend the $$$ for Dark Horse (Let's be honest, you are not getting one of those from a dealer for less than 70K) on a S550 GT500. Just MHO.
The ability to get the older foxbody gauges is actually awesome and I really wish more companies did it. Especially since it's just software so it shouldn't cost to much to add. :)
Except that the S650 is a Fully Networked Vehicle...which means Ford will always know when unauthorized mods are added to the vehicle, and can remotely disable those mods. Good luck...😅 I'll stay with my unlocked ECU from factory in my S550.
Mustang wasn't first. Plymouth had the Barracuda to market months prior to the Mustang. And if you want to get strict about the definition of muscle car, the nod usually goes to the Pontiac GTO, although an argument could be made for early max wedge Dodges and Plymouths, but those were too ugly to be successful.
I cant get behind the the dash screens it just seems lazy to slap screens in there instead of some nicely designed gauges and i hate that the dash shape is changed
It’s less expensive to design everything inside the UI, than it is to actually develop all the little pieces and linkages etc that you need for physical controls
I love my Foxbody and the new Mustangs are awesome. But don't forget the SN95 changed and single handlely modernized muscle cars. Push rod to OHV aluminum teskid, 5 lug, 4 disc brakes, vertical taillights, modern interior, 94 Mustang 30 year anniversary, motor trend car of the year, 95 Cobra R no rear seat, cowl hood, biggest engine push rod in a fox chassis etc
I dont like the amount of electronics being put into modern cars but I understand that some is required and some is demand. Since the s550 the mustang is the only ford I would buy and that hasn't changed with this one
I totally agree it's a refresh and don't get me wrong the 4th gen coyote is probably awesome but my gen 3 is as well and my S550 is paid off and I don't want to go into debt $60k for a tablet to be on my dash😂
Finally got my car in after 7 months of waiting. Got a 23 GT premium with every option. Minus the wifi hotspot. You were the channel that made my final decision on the s550. Yes its a 6 speed. Been watching for eons now and always liked the mustang. Keep up the vids man!
@@andrepalmer7371 Ita got a cailmer stage 2 trans and clutch package. Lmao factory are shit I've heard nothing but good things about these. Plus it's only 4k. Not bad!
Such a sad state of cars these days. You do NOT need huge touch screens in a car!!! Never needed it in my 84 Trans am or my 08 E Class. Stupidest car trend ever
you have your preference and so do others. I DO need the huge touch screen because i want it.... dont buy it if you dont like it and keep crying about it.@@miseryparty3726
Hoping the styling grows on me like the G8x M’s over the years. Don’t love it (yet), but don’t hate it. I agree with the other comments about the dash screens, same feel as BMW’s transition from built in screen to one big curved one for MY ‘23. Feels so freaking lazy and tacked on no matter how “flashy” the software tries to make it look. Glad at least Ford is keeping these cars on the road, shame for the end of the challenger and Camaro.
@@RCXDerp pop corn tune? If you’re referencing my genesis coupe that was stock tune, if you’re referencing my MK5 Supra, that is also stock tune. And you haven’t seen one in person or don’t have eyes.
I don't like the screens. Or at least in the lower optioned GT's (where it's basically 2 separate tablets just stuck on the dash, which is also boring compared to the previous ones). I also agree that the design aesthetics of the car might be an acquired taste. As you highlighted, Ford kept the best elements of the last generation, and added some hoonigan type of factory options, which was smart since the other V8 vehicles from Detroit are slowly disappearing, so the Mustang is kinda the last option for the US Muscle crowd. An honest and informative review as always!
I actually prefer the look of the 2 separate screens instead of the fused giant tablet screen one in the higher trim. I believe Mercedes was the first to use the 2 fused tablet look in their 2013 W222 S-class. It's played out and outdated looking which is why Mercedes already moved on from that design.
@bman99ss No, it was not half the price. The base price of a GT was about $23,500. Adjusted for 2023, that's over $38,000. The 2024 GT starts at $42,495. It also comes with far more standard than those cars did, as I owned multiple ones. The interior quality was also hot garbage at the time. You potatoes who complain about pricing have no concept of how money or the economy works. Stay on your front porch & quit yelling at everyone to get off your lawn.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 WELL SAID. In 2021 I bought a 1991 C15 with a cammed 350 and a 5 spd manual, fiberglass step-side bed, and cherrybombs. I paid $4,000 and sold it back to the previous owner for $5,000 a year later. He had a 1989 Corvette Greenwood Edition (the ZR1 of it’s day) and that car was SUUUUUPER fast and special. He traded that car for a Civic drag car with 500 WHP running in 10 second land on 93 pump gas. The Greenwood was valued at $18,000 in great condition, and I’d say he made a trade that worked for him! 😂
I agree analog gauges are very nice and now have a retro feel which I like. Digital is the new norm though unfortunately. Kind of cool you can swap to the Foxbody style gauges though!
I’m more worried about that these age much worse. 10 years from now, analogue will be the same as today, but digital will look ridiculous next to the 10y newer displays.
I kinda prefer the digital tbh, there is alot of stuff you can do with it that analog can't, yes analog definitely has benefits to digital but I prefer digital
It doesn't look bad its just kinda meh. Also I think that if they're gonna go for the big screen, they should fill in the rest of the dash with some sorta trim idk just looks odd to me
Still going to rock my 13' Boss 302. Don't care for all the gadgets and screens on the S650, and not a huge fan of the styling either. Plus a live axle is just more enjoyable to hoon with.
The '12/'13 Boss 302 will always be one of the best, most engaging, analog track cars ever made. One of my favorite all time mustangs. I remember when Car & Driver tested in in 2012 against the M3 and it actually was just as fast. That made me so happy☺
Bro don't ever trade or sell that 302. That year and that car is already a titan among the mustang legacy. 2012 to 2013 302 Boss are absolutely gorgeous cars in person.
@@Warthirium Oh for sure, I don't plan on getting rid of it. It's the best body style for looking like vintage mustangs and it's a great driver. Already put 15,000 miles on it since I got it 2 years ago.
As much as I love Mustangs, the only good value per dollar sports car right now is the C5 corvette. That's coming from a mustang owner myself. Cant wait to upgrade to a vette some day. Other than that great review, love the new S650 but I'll never be able to justify a 20% down payment on a nice house on a fun car. Credit to ford for still making fun cars.
@@Clooger-that’s why I bought my c5 z06. Went from 15-25k pretty quick but a solid 5k of that wasn’t maintenance related haha. Aside from the vipers it’s a terrifying car to drive when pushed close to its limits which I love and it’s very easy to squeeze good power out of them with a cam and supporting bolt ons. If you have mechanical know how a clutch or engine work isn’t that bad and just time consuming more than difficult. My next goal is a c6 Z that id like to do a HCI build in the driveway myself just like I did my c5, something about building it yourself is special.
You can find good deals on base Ls3 C6s for around 23k with 60k miles or less…. Definitely going to be picking one up in cyber grey with a manual later this year and probably procharge it later down the line.
@@nick9602 awesome choice. A boost cam with a blower and E can make 7-800 stock bottom end all day on LS3s, I just love the big n/a too much that I’m willing to chance the LS7 over the 3 if I’m financially able one day haha. But besides heads I’ve heard roller rockers help the valve issue, all doable stuff.
I held out for so long knowing this new generation was coming out. I have to admit I was let down with the screens and the shape of the rear end. I ended up just buying a '22 gen 3 s550 GT premium in atlas blue. I'm over the moon with this car.
1000% right on the jump from s197 to s550. The s550 is an all around great car. Lightyears ahead of the generations previous but gave great homage with the dash layout. That is my biggest turn off with the s650. Although the duel TB intake is going to look damn good on twin turbo coyote swap foxes and new edge's
While the Terminator and 13-14 GT500 will always be my favorite mustangs, you're 100% correct. The S550 is pretty much the best daily driver 2-door you can live with and that hasn't really changed with the S650.
That little bass burble after the shift at 13:43 sounds absolutely beautiful. Mine should be delivered next week and I can't wait to go drive the canyons here.
I think my biggest gripe is I wish they would've made that hood drop more gradual above the front wheels going forward and I hated the backend at first, but I think it'd be more palatable if they put a black trim piece between the taillights like they did on the last model. I think it'd completely change the look.
As a former s550 owner, this car seems gimmicky and designed by people that have no clue what they are doing. All of the positive things you said about it seemed like you were trying to convince yourself it’s better when it’s really not.
Like some other have commented already, I feel the entire "Large Screen Movement" is a bit lazy. The graphics look great, but they look like someone Gorilla-glued them to the dash.
@spacebound1969 it's frustrating from a consumer standpoint. The dash is a huge part of the car's appeal, generally. Now, things are starting to look like the installers at Best Buy are designing things.
@@thesaus1975 It's a huge design problem which got started by the assholes at Kia and Mercedes and now everyone is following. Just like capacitive buttons they'll realize how fucking stupid the trend is eventually but we have to deal with it now
You're one million percent on the money, I think the inspiration was the Fox gen, hence the gauge theme. But Fox fans don't complain about the interior not feeling Mustang. People are just overly tied to their individual perception of certain gens and models of Mustang, which all it really means is fun (relatively) affordable v8 sports car for the working class. The goal of every Mustang gen was not solely to be an evolution of the '65.
I would say both Chevy and Dodge have completely moved away from their original styling and most importantly the heritage. Ford has kept their styling and initial heritage, it always remained a pony car, never turned into anything it wasn't built to be or came out of production once, a simple mix of a sport and muscle car. The camaro completely moved away from that and Dodge ditched a lot of it's heritage/brand image.
@@leofhr2966you must be blind. Dodge has literally kept the same interior for over a decade across all of it’s platforms. Interior of a charger is the same as a challenger and even Chrysler 300. Meanwhile ford has added not one but two giant ipads to the mustang and even took styling from Camaro. One way to tell the year of a challenger is the tail lights 😂Lmao
@evildrizzt1 The irony of insulting someone with blindness. So tell me, what does interior styling have to do with the original intended purpose of the car ? Such as being a muscle, pony or sports car ? Sure, heritage and styling of the interior all go together, but that wasn't at all the entire point. First off, it's kinda sad to brag that Dodge has had this long without a single change in the interior or the body styling, but fact is that body styling isn't what the original Dodge looked like or is even based around, look at every generation of Mustang, they all have something of the past Mustangs and or a retro styling that fits with the old school design clearly, the current interior is a modern interpretation, of course no old school car has massive screens doi... you didn't even address the fact that the Mustang never came out of production, didn't even address the fact that both Chevy and Dodge moved away from their original titles of muscle cars while Ford remained true to it's original title as a Pony car
They look pretty good but I hate the fact that they did screen gauges. I like the bigger real circle gauges better as someone who is more of a muscle car guy.
I'll keep my '19 GT PP1 with analog gauges. I do like a lot of the cool new features like the drift brake, dual throttle bodies, steering rack, but not enough to make me want to upgrade. I prefer the styling of my '19.
Due to my MT-82 grinding, I traded my 2023 gt for a 204 gt auto. Don't risk your money on the manual unless it's a Tremec. IMO Ford does not stand behind their MT-82.
Personal opinion on the car without physically touching it is, it looks a lot better than it originally did, the black wheels are a lot more personally appealing than the chromes, the key fob revving is a fun party trick, and the fact that it’s more than capable to take mountain roads bone stock is fantastic. The s650 has definitely grown more on me and I’m excited to start seeing them in the wild
I like this, but I'm glad I got a 2019 GT PP1. I wanted analog gauges and was able to get it for 36k brand new. It's a shame the Ecoboost no longer has a manual transmission option
I'm glad that they have stuck to the V8, the drift brake is very cool. But I honestly don't think it looks as nice as the 2015-17 Mustang S550. The 480+ hp is nice and all but again don't think that's worth the cost of upgrading. So I think I'll stick with my 2016 Mustang GT. Might try test drive a S650 for fun though haha.
I've been watching all the reviews today. Yours is good. But no one seems to be talking about just how different this car feels when it comes to acceleration compared to the S550. How much a difference does the extra horsepower make?
I was a huge hater of the rear end before this video but seeing it in action and different perspectives I believe this will be the next car I buy. Very sharp car and super competitive prices vs other options for similar hp
When the S750 comes out I might get one…. Literally just a S550 with dual intakes and more electronics. 15-17 best years hands down. Perfect balance of tech with sync 3 CarPlay upgrade and the analog dash. Can’t wait to see the FD widebody from RTR though. Maybe that will tip me over
I can’t with that giant digital screen perched on top of the interior. It stripped a lot of the interior mustang-look from a visual standpoint. Very off putting.
I have always been a h-u-g-e Mustang fan and this car is no exception. I personally prefer a little more space, so I bought a 'Mustang in a tuxedo'. 🥰 Awesome and in-depth review, thank you for posting! 👍👏
Good review David, but I wish you went a bit more into details regarding what’s changed compared to the S550. Does the engine feel overall the same? Did you drive an automatic 5.0 and if so, how does it compare to yours? You mentioned it comes with “big brakes,” what size? 6 piston front Brembo optional? Rear still single piston? What’s standard, what’s optional? You said it hooks better, but didn’t say anything about tires or tire sizes, or suspension. Saw Pirelli 255 sized front tires in one of the shots, so the size looks the same as S550. Did Pirelli change anything in these tires? The seats. Are they the same as S550? Are Recaros powered, heated and cooled or still no? Interior has carbon fiber looking plastic, call it how it is. You mentioned you drove two different cars, blue and red. What’s the difference? Were they exactly the same? Same transmission? Definitely could’ve explained quiet a bit more about this new Mustang but overall good video!
The front end reminds me of a Camaro. We will keep the 22 Mach 1. Was almost ready to hold out for a dark horse but now happy with my choice. Seems like a cool car just will take some time to get used to it. Good solid review
Still keeping my 2022 Mustang GT PP Loaded. We sold our GT500 a couple of weeks ago, bought each a Bronco, but kept the stang for when we need speed! I just do not like all the screens, the cuts on the body are horrible. Ours is so sleek looking, with the mods we have done she just looks so bad ass. We are moving on to the Bronco world and off roading!
Love the exterior look. Hate the flat dash with ipads just hanging on. I also don't think that your car needs to have more computing power than a modern law office.
All the screens are the biggest turn off for me. I don't need or want a car that has a million settings and whatnot, I just want a car that is simple. I also don't need or want the newest, shiniest, most complicated car.
I’ve owned several generations of Mustangs, each had their own personality. I enjoyed your review and look forward to driving one myself, probably have to wait to get into a used one. Thanks for your channel always enjoy your videos.
Nailed it?? The sides BECAME boring. They removed the fuckin sharp edging and just made each side of the door a big flat piece of metal. What a disappointment...it's the SOLE reason I don't want it...
I think the S650 is a great evolution of the Mustang moving forward. I'm going to hold on to my '22 Mach1 but I really believe for the masses that it will be the greatest driving experience Mustang in the future. Excited to see these cars out in the wild.
I'm happy that Ford continued with the new S650 Mustang GT performance and the New Dark Horse. They could have kept the same engine while possibly reducing horsepower. Instead they gave us a New Gen 4 Coyote V8 powered sports cars at a time that EV technology is the number one automotive topic. I think back to 1988 when the Mustang was scheduled to become a completely new car that became the Probe. Thanks Ford for keeping the Mustang for the true sports car fans that appreciate your keeping the Mustang a Mustang while adding new technology creating new buyer across the world. Looking forward to seeing the new Ford performance /Multimatic Dark Horse GT3 race team competing against BMW, Aston Martin, Porsche and possibly the C8 GT3 in IMSA and races that will include the Rolex 24 at Daytona and LeMans.
The pricing always amazer me. in most of Europe you pay 5.0 money for the 2.3 ecoboost. A friend of mine recently picked up a new Mach 1 it cost him close to 80K USD. Sure it's on the shop so he can write off some expenses but still expensive. That said for the power, you can't buy anything for that money. everything else over 400BHP start close to 100k.
@@j.moneyfilms Yeah think my dealer had a 15k markup on the one they had. Think it was 70k and not even a handling package. My 18 GT350 was 56k with 9 miles on it though.
I like the s550 better. The exterior, interior, gauges, taillights. Not a fan of the 650 rear end at all except that spoiler. I’ve never been a fan of vehicles with a lot of edges. I’ll probably just stick with the 550
I mean it's OK. The interior looks great that's what I'm most impressed by. Let's be real it's a S550 1/2 that now has a look of a Camaro/Dodge. The dual cold air intakes, well that reminds me of the Nissan 350Z - 370Z. The Dark Horse will be marked up to 80,000 if you are thinking about spending that much on a Mustang just get a 2019-2020 Shelby GT350 or GT350R with the Gen 2 5.2. voodoo flat plane crank engine. Hell the MACH 1 is still a better buy than a Dark Horse. You don't have to kiss the Ford ring to be a Ford fan.
I absolutely love the look of the new S650 Mustang inside and out. The entertainment screen doesn't look like an afterthought, and from the reviews I've watched, sounds like it is perfect. I ordered the Dark Horse and can't wait to add cold air intake, a Whipple, and maybe Borla exhaust. Thank you for your hard work on your channel.
I remember when the 3.7L V-6 was debuted in a commercial I saw on TV. I remember being shocked at over 300hp and 30mpg highway. Shortly after I got a base model 2014 3.7l new for $18,500. I got it on the 4th of July and the salesmen stayed late cause I didn’t know I was gonna buy a car that day haha.
I feel like if the screens were separate instead of being conjoined by a usless 3 inch black bezel the interior would look really good from more angles than just the drivers seat, other than that I think its a great evolution from the s550
I'm a chevy guy. This is the best looking and most appealing to me mustang to date. Wouldn't even bat an eye at any other. This one kinda makes me want to try a mustang out.
Definitely gonna get a Flowmaster super 40 active exhaust on it when I get 1👍👍👍👍. Other than that it's gonna be my baby. No burning rubber. I just wanna ride 😂😂
In 30 years people are gonna be looking for analog cars. These cars with wall-to-wall iPads stuck everywhere looks cheap AF. One good center screen (updatable) would be perfect. Cars all look the same now. Cheap. I want analog buttons and knobs for ac and stereo. Everything else can go in the center stack screen. Oh, and analog gauges please. A screen in the analog gauge stack is fine. But all screen….no thanks. The difference between a 20k Altima and a 60k Mustang interior is negligible. No thanks.
How was the steering feel? The guys over at ThrottleHouse mentioned that it felt very numb. So far they are the only ones I have heard mention that so I'm curious what your experience was while driving it. The MT-82, the locked ECU, and the price point are what kill this mustang for me. Also I find it hilarious that you have to buy the Dark Horse appearance package... on the Dark Horse version of the car. 😑
Honestly the S650 is great - it just shows how far the S550 took the Mustang compared to the past. Thoughts?
I’m just happy they’re stickin with the manual 👌
Sometimes i like to think about being a turtle and swimming around in a nice swamp.
Happy that its hanging around.
Grateful that it's keeping the V8 and manual options.
But I despise that interior.
I'd rather spend the 50K+ on a slightly used S550 Bullitt or Mach 1. And I'd rather spend the $$$ for Dark Horse (Let's be honest, you are not getting one of those from a dealer for less than 70K) on a S550 GT500.
Just MHO.
The ability to get the older foxbody gauges is actually awesome and I really wish more companies did it.
Especially since it's just software so it shouldn't cost to much to add. :)
Lol, love, or hate the Mustang Two. It's the main link to the now, close to 60 years of production. The same can't be said for the other competitors .
Every time a manufacturer says "completely locked ecu" if you listen closely you can hear the collective laughter of every tuner out there
Except that the S650 is a Fully Networked Vehicle...which means Ford will always know when unauthorized mods are added to the vehicle, and can remotely disable those mods. Good luck...😅 I'll stay with my unlocked ECU from factory in my S550.
Tuners aren’t hackers they’re not the ones hacking the ecu’s lol
Unless the tuners know code I doubt it 😂
@@firebird2rideThat's because the DCT transmission has a separate computer (TCM). Just like like the 2020-2023 GT500.
@@ClickbaitMotorsportsRemote access could be disabled once they figure out the new ECU.
The fact the Mustang was the first and now last muscle car on the market really hits…
100% Love that too!
Yea just too bad it’s a Ford
@@calitri-boostwhat's bad about that
The mustang has never been a muscle car
Mustang wasn't first. Plymouth had the Barracuda to market months prior to the Mustang. And if you want to get strict about the definition of muscle car, the nod usually goes to the Pontiac GTO, although an argument could be made for early max wedge Dodges and Plymouths, but those were too ugly to be successful.
I cant get behind the the dash screens it just seems lazy to slap screens in there instead of some nicely designed gauges and i hate that the dash shape is changed
Same here, cars with those screens for a tach and speedo just arent the same and definitely wont be my first choice
Yup, I'm glad I bought a 2015 and I'll keep it forever at this point
For me that's the best thing they've done. Looks amazing. Never liked the old double brow look.
It’s less expensive to design everything inside the UI, than it is to actually develop all the little pieces and linkages etc that you need for physical controls
So do most car people but they are a small piece of profit and everyone else wants tech
The fact that they put foxbody gauges in the car says that the fox body is pretty unique in the Mustangs history
That or target market - fox body generation people now have “new” mustang money
@@nolangray7383 I wanted a foxbody since high school. I’m 33 now. I’m getting me a hatch or notch coupe… I swear. Shit I might even take a 5.0 vert
I love my Foxbody and the new Mustangs are awesome. But don't forget the SN95 changed and single handlely modernized muscle cars. Push rod to OHV aluminum teskid, 5 lug, 4 disc brakes, vertical taillights, modern interior, 94 Mustang 30 year anniversary, motor trend car of the year, 95 Cobra R no rear seat, cowl hood, biggest engine push rod in a fox chassis etc
@@superstallion97OHC*
the fox body is still present in the racing scene. Everyone I know loves them. I had 3 and still have my 87 5.0 Vert
I dont like the amount of electronics being put into modern cars but I understand that some is required and some is demand. Since the s550 the mustang is the only ford I would buy and that hasn't changed with this one
I feel the same way but man the fox body gauges kinda make up for it for me 😂
s197 >>>>>>
The Taurus SHO wouldn’t darken your doorstep? That is a RIDICULOUSLY special car.
Explorer ST is a different animal too
As well as the 5.0 single cabs😩
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Definitely not enough of a improvement to justify upgrading from a s550. IMO the 15-17 s550 looked the best.
Agreed, imo the GT350 is the holy grail of Mustang performance and design and won't be beat for a long time
@@uncleren 2013-14 GT500s are up there too for me but I have a GT350
@@uncleren
Until they bring back the GT350 and you eat these words.
Yeah his white one is aesthetically perfect in my opinion. The wheels grill stance are all subtle and tasteful. Timeless clean style
I totally agree it's a refresh and don't get me wrong the 4th gen coyote is probably awesome but my gen 3 is as well and my S550 is paid off and I don't want to go into debt $60k for a tablet to be on my dash😂
Finally got my car in after 7 months of waiting. Got a 23 GT premium with every option. Minus the wifi hotspot. You were the channel that made my final decision on the s550. Yes its a 6 speed. Been watching for eons now and always liked the mustang. Keep up the vids man!
keep us updated on how that MT-82 ages
@@andrepalmer7371 Ita got a cailmer stage 2 trans and clutch package. Lmao factory are shit I've heard nothing but good things about these. Plus it's only 4k. Not bad!
Take me back to when car companies actually designed their dashes.
take me back when the Goverment and other groups didnt stick their nose were it wasnt needed... thank the EPA and VW.
@@CrazyChiefXxX the government getting anywhere near automobiles is a problem. #defundtheepa
Such a sad state of cars these days. You do NOT need huge touch screens in a car!!! Never needed it in my 84 Trans am or my 08 E Class. Stupidest car trend ever
Everything you look at on the screens were designed. It's just a different approach 🫡
you have your preference and so do others. I DO need the huge touch screen because i want it.... dont buy it if you dont like it and keep crying about it.@@miseryparty3726
Hoping the styling grows on me like the G8x M’s over the years. Don’t love it (yet), but don’t hate it. I agree with the other comments about the dash screens, same feel as BMW’s transition from built in screen to one big curved one for MY ‘23. Feels so freaking lazy and tacked on no matter how “flashy” the software tries to make it look. Glad at least Ford is keeping these cars on the road, shame for the end of the challenger and Camaro.
Don't compare this to the G80 those still look awful to me, maybe more C8
@@RCXDerpg80 is a baaadd machine in person, hated them at first but after seeing a few around town I’ve changed my tune. Also bimmer DP+ tune ftw
i had an f82 and just got a g80. have to say the mustang really seems to be 90% as good of a car for 25% less money (in america)
@@OldDyer They are fast but they're ugly as sin. Makes sense the pop corn tune guy likes it.
@@RCXDerp pop corn tune? If you’re referencing my genesis coupe that was stock tune, if you’re referencing my MK5 Supra, that is also stock tune. And you haven’t seen one in person or don’t have eyes.
I don't like the screens. Or at least in the lower optioned GT's (where it's basically 2 separate tablets just stuck on the dash, which is also boring compared to the previous ones). I also agree that the design aesthetics of the car might be an acquired taste.
As you highlighted, Ford kept the best elements of the last generation, and added some hoonigan type of factory options, which was smart since the other V8 vehicles from Detroit are slowly disappearing, so the Mustang is kinda the last option for the US Muscle crowd.
An honest and informative review as always!
I actually prefer the look of the 2 separate screens instead of the fused giant tablet screen one in the higher trim.
I believe Mercedes was the first to use the 2 fused tablet look in their 2013 W222 S-class. It's played out and outdated looking which is why Mercedes already moved on from that design.
I don’t like the lug nuts and the floor mats. Ford really missed the mark there. Oh, and the trunk mat isn’t that great either.
To think that 20 years ago, a mustang GT came with just over half the horsepower.
And for half the price . . .
@bman99ss No, it was not half the price. The base price of a GT was about $23,500. Adjusted for 2023, that's over $38,000. The 2024 GT starts at $42,495. It also comes with far more standard than those cars did, as I owned multiple ones. The interior quality was also hot garbage at the time. You potatoes who complain about pricing have no concept of how money or the economy works. Stay on your front porch & quit yelling at everyone to get off your lawn.
@@DrBeef216 Gets all triggered by a comment about car pricing (of all things). Get a cause, dude!
@@bman99ss Dude opens his mouth when he has no clue what he's talking about. Get a clue, Dude.
@@bman99ss Because it was a garbage take...
I had an 04 cobra I paid 20k for in 2019 and it made 481whp and 523rwtq. Now that’s power for $! New cars are just plain wayyy too expensive.
I had a 04 sti that I paid 2k for and it made just over 300awhp comparing used cars is just dumb lol
@@tyhyhhand will prolly blow up lol
@@tyhyhhbet it blew up after the first pull lol
@@mr2loverboyif he actually paid 2k for a real sti, yes. Or it was already blown😂
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WELL SAID.
In 2021 I bought a 1991 C15 with a cammed 350 and a 5 spd manual, fiberglass step-side bed, and cherrybombs. I paid $4,000 and sold it back to the previous owner for $5,000 a year later. He had a 1989 Corvette Greenwood Edition (the ZR1 of it’s day) and that car was SUUUUUPER fast and special. He traded that car for a Civic drag car with 500 WHP running in 10 second land on 93 pump gas. The Greenwood was valued at $18,000 in great condition, and I’d say he made a trade that worked for him! 😂
I'm not a fan of digital gauges, I prefer analog gauges, less things to fail if something happens, I want that engine though in my New Edge lol
I agree analog gauges are very nice and now have a retro feel which I like. Digital is the new norm though unfortunately. Kind of cool you can swap to the Foxbody style gauges though!
I’m more worried about that these age much worse. 10 years from now, analogue will be the same as today, but digital will look ridiculous next to the 10y newer displays.
I kinda prefer the digital tbh, there is alot of stuff you can do with it that analog can't, yes analog definitely has benefits to digital but I prefer digital
31k for the cheapest 2024 mustang. 43k for a base GT. Such a shame.
That is one massive screen though. 😸Looks like a gaming setup.
Stick a 4090 in that thing
I honestly do not like this trend...but it's everywhere. I think we will look back and cringe in the future.
uses unreal engine
The interface is build on the unreal engine lol
As soon as something goes wrong with the dual "Ipad" dash ... and what it costs to fix or replace it. You'll see how much love there is.
It doesn't look bad its just kinda meh. Also I think that if they're gonna go for the big screen, they should fill in the rest of the dash with some sorta trim idk just looks odd to me
As the engineers progress I'm sure the car gets more refined. However, i think I like the styling of the S550 more though.
Mustang is the love of my life. Will always be my favorite.
Still going to rock my 13' Boss 302. Don't care for all the gadgets and screens on the S650, and not a huge fan of the styling either. Plus a live axle is just more enjoyable to hoon with.
Live axle is good for burnouts thats about it. You can still do a fat burnout with the IRS though I've got a GT350.
@@RCXDerp The Boss 302 is made for track days, it corners just fine.
The '12/'13 Boss 302 will always be one of the best, most engaging, analog track cars ever made. One of my favorite all time mustangs. I remember when Car & Driver tested in in 2012 against the M3 and it actually was just as fast. That made me so happy☺
Bro don't ever trade or sell that 302. That year and that car is already a titan among the mustang legacy. 2012 to 2013 302 Boss are absolutely gorgeous cars in person.
@@Warthirium Oh for sure, I don't plan on getting rid of it. It's the best body style for looking like vintage mustangs and it's a great driver. Already put 15,000 miles on it since I got it 2 years ago.
The s550 is a good looking car, this looks like a hyundai with a 21:9 curved monitor for a gauge cluster.
As much as I love Mustangs, the only good value per dollar sports car right now is the C5 corvette. That's coming from a mustang owner myself. Cant wait to upgrade to a vette some day. Other than that great review, love the new S650 but I'll never be able to justify a 20% down payment on a nice house on a fun car. Credit to ford for still making fun cars.
Don’t forget the ZL1
The C5 is so unbelievably overpowered for how cheap it is. Sub 15K for a super light aerodynamic car with a reliable V8. It's hard to beat
@@Clooger-that’s why I bought my c5 z06. Went from 15-25k pretty quick but a solid 5k of that wasn’t maintenance related haha. Aside from the vipers it’s a terrifying car to drive when pushed close to its limits which I love and it’s very easy to squeeze good power out of them with a cam and supporting bolt ons. If you have mechanical know how a clutch or engine work isn’t that bad and just time consuming more than difficult. My next goal is a c6 Z that id like to do a HCI build in the driveway myself just like I did my c5, something about building it yourself is special.
You can find good deals on base Ls3 C6s for around 23k with 60k miles or less…. Definitely going to be picking one up in cyber grey with a manual later this year and probably procharge it later down the line.
@@nick9602 awesome choice. A boost cam with a blower and E can make 7-800 stock bottom end all day on LS3s, I just love the big n/a too much that I’m willing to chance the LS7 over the 3 if I’m financially able one day haha. But besides heads I’ve heard roller rockers help the valve issue, all doable stuff.
I held out for so long knowing this new generation was coming out. I have to admit I was let down with the screens and the shape of the rear end. I ended up just buying a '22 gen 3 s550 GT premium in atlas blue. I'm over the moon with this car.
1000% right on the jump from s197 to s550. The s550 is an all around great car. Lightyears ahead of the generations previous but gave great homage with the dash layout. That is my biggest turn off with the s650. Although the duel TB intake is going to look damn good on twin turbo coyote swap foxes and new edge's
While the Terminator and 13-14 GT500 will always be my favorite mustangs, you're 100% correct. The S550 is pretty much the best daily driver 2-door you can live with and that hasn't really changed with the S650.
That little bass burble after the shift at 13:43 sounds absolutely beautiful. Mine should be delivered next week and I can't wait to go drive the canyons here.
Ford: I heard you like Ipads dawg
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I think my biggest gripe is I wish they would've made that hood drop more gradual above the front wheels going forward and I hated the backend at first, but I think it'd be more palatable if they put a black trim piece between the taillights like they did on the last model. I think it'd completely change the look.
The hood droop shouldn't be there at all
As a former s550 owner, this car seems gimmicky and designed by people that have no clue what they are doing. All of the positive things you said about it seemed like you were trying to convince yourself it’s better when it’s really not.
Hoping for a revision on that dash
Like some other have commented already, I feel the entire "Large Screen Movement" is a bit lazy. The graphics look great, but they look like someone Gorilla-glued them to the dash.
Exactly, I love big screens but I hate when they don't integrate them.
@@spacebound1969 right? It just seems lazy or like a major afterthought.
@@thesaus1975 It's just laziness and cost savings really.
@spacebound1969 it's frustrating from a consumer standpoint. The dash is a huge part of the car's appeal, generally. Now, things are starting to look like the installers at Best Buy are designing things.
@@thesaus1975 It's a huge design problem which got started by the assholes at Kia and Mercedes and now everyone is following. Just like capacitive buttons they'll realize how fucking stupid the trend is eventually but we have to deal with it now
I really feel like the new dash layout is very foxbody-esque. Maybe that’s what they were going for with foxbody gauges being an option on the screen.
Couldn’t agree more!
You're one million percent on the money, I think the inspiration was the Fox gen, hence the gauge theme. But Fox fans don't complain about the interior not feeling Mustang. People are just overly tied to their individual perception of certain gens and models of Mustang, which all it really means is fun (relatively) affordable v8 sports car for the working class. The goal of every Mustang gen was not solely to be an evolution of the '65.
He’s right mustang and Camaro have not been muscle cars in a long time the only company still making muscle cars is dodge 😅
And Dodge is saying bye bye to their muscle cars. So sad.
I would say both Chevy and Dodge have completely moved away from their original styling and most importantly the heritage. Ford has kept their styling and initial heritage, it always remained a pony car, never turned into anything it wasn't built to be or came out of production once, a simple mix of a sport and muscle car. The camaro completely moved away from that and Dodge ditched a lot of it's heritage/brand image.
@@leofhr2966you must be blind. Dodge has literally kept the same interior for over a decade across all of it’s platforms. Interior of a charger is the same as a challenger and even Chrysler 300. Meanwhile ford has added not one but two giant ipads to the mustang and even took styling from Camaro.
One way to tell the year of a challenger is the tail lights 😂Lmao
@evildrizzt1 The irony of insulting someone with blindness. So tell me, what does interior styling have to do with the original intended purpose of the car ? Such as being a muscle, pony or sports car ? Sure, heritage and styling of the interior all go together, but that wasn't at all the entire point. First off, it's kinda sad to brag that Dodge has had this long without a single change in the interior or the body styling, but fact is that body styling isn't what the original Dodge looked like or is even based around, look at every generation of Mustang, they all have something of the past Mustangs and or a retro styling that fits with the old school design clearly, the current interior is a modern interpretation, of course no old school car has massive screens doi... you didn't even address the fact that the Mustang never came out of production, didn't even address the fact that both Chevy and Dodge moved away from their original titles of muscle cars while Ford remained true to it's original title as a Pony car
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They look pretty good but I hate the fact that they did screen gauges. I like the bigger real circle gauges better as someone who is more of a muscle car guy.
Only thing I can't get behind is the screens. Other than that everything else is great/bearable
I'll keep my '19 GT PP1 with analog gauges. I do like a lot of the cool new features like the drift brake, dual throttle bodies, steering rack, but not enough to make me want to upgrade. I prefer the styling of my '19.
I didn’t like the looks at first but it’s definitely growing on me. I’d take a Dark Horse premium in a heartbeat now.👍🏻😎
I only hit the like at 15 minutes because you kept it real about the difference in the S197 to the S550👍🏾
To me the s650 is to the s550 was the New Edge was to the SN95. Can't wait to see what people do to these things.
That is actually the best description I've seen so far!
I’ll miss the double hump dash but I look forward to seeing what people can do with it!
I don't like the rear tail lights and too much screens, other than that I like it 👍
Due to my MT-82 grinding, I traded my 2023 gt for a 204 gt auto. Don't risk your money on the manual unless it's a Tremec. IMO Ford does not stand behind their MT-82.
Personal opinion on the car without physically touching it is, it looks a lot better than it originally did, the black wheels are a lot more personally appealing than the chromes, the key fob revving is a fun party trick, and the fact that it’s more than capable to take mountain roads bone stock is fantastic. The s650 has definitely grown more on me and I’m excited to start seeing them in the wild
S550 (since 2015) I been taking backroads it's eons better than previous generations I really want to know how this one feels like!
To be fair, the fox body Mustang didn't have a "dual bulge" interior either.
I like this, but I'm glad I got a 2019 GT PP1. I wanted analog gauges and was able to get it for 36k brand new.
It's a shame the Ecoboost no longer has a manual transmission option
I'm glad that they have stuck to the V8, the drift brake is very cool.
But I honestly don't think it looks as nice as the 2015-17 Mustang S550.
The 480+ hp is nice and all but again don't think that's worth the cost of upgrading. So I think I'll stick with my 2016 Mustang GT.
Might try test drive a S650 for fun though haha.
I love the new car… but I’m still scratching my head why they didn’t include the Tremec.
Because Chevy and Ford have a contract with China to build these transmissions. That’s why we still have them in this ugly car
Wait till the sun bakes on those screens all day, like the iPad goes into over heat protection mode.
I've been watching all the reviews today. Yours is good. But no one seems to be talking about just how different this car feels when it comes to acceleration compared to the S550. How much a difference does the extra horsepower make?
Little to none. It’s heavier…
I was a huge hater of the rear end before this video but seeing it in action and different perspectives I believe this will be the next car I buy. Very sharp car and super competitive prices vs other options for similar hp
I feel the plastic valance will fade fast
@@Brute5odefinitely its so hard to keep that shot from fading
Drift brake would be a good option when you are being chased by the PoPo, then you can do a PIT maneuver on them.
😂 seems like that would make it easier for them since most can’t even drive straight
Lmao pitting a cop would be hilarious
When the S750 comes out I might get one…. Literally just a S550 with dual intakes and more electronics.
15-17 best years hands down. Perfect balance of tech with sync 3 CarPlay upgrade and the analog dash.
Can’t wait to see the FD widebody from RTR though. Maybe that will tip me over
I can’t with that giant digital screen perched on top of the interior. It stripped a lot of the interior mustang-look from a visual standpoint. Very off putting.
As much as I'd like to critique it as a GT350 owner I'm just happy they are still rolling down the line.
I have always been a h-u-g-e Mustang fan and this car is no exception. I personally prefer a little more space, so I bought a 'Mustang in a tuxedo'. 🥰 Awesome and in-depth review, thank you for posting! 👍👏
Good review David, but I wish you went a bit more into details regarding what’s changed compared to the S550. Does the engine feel overall the same? Did you drive an automatic 5.0 and if so, how does it compare to yours? You mentioned it comes with “big brakes,” what size? 6 piston front Brembo optional? Rear still single piston? What’s standard, what’s optional? You said it hooks better, but didn’t say anything about tires or tire sizes, or suspension. Saw Pirelli 255 sized front tires in one of the shots, so the size looks the same as S550. Did Pirelli change anything in these tires? The seats. Are they the same as S550? Are Recaros powered, heated and cooled or still no? Interior has carbon fiber looking plastic, call it how it is. You mentioned you drove two different cars, blue and red. What’s the difference? Were they exactly the same? Same transmission? Definitely could’ve explained quiet a bit more about this new Mustang but overall good video!
The front end reminds me of a Camaro. We will keep the 22 Mach 1. Was almost ready to hold out for a dark horse but now happy with my choice. Seems like a cool car just will take some time to get used to it. Good solid review
Still keeping my 2022 Mustang GT PP Loaded. We sold our GT500 a couple of weeks ago, bought each a Bronco, but kept the stang for when we need speed! I just do not like all the screens, the cuts on the body are horrible. Ours is so sleek looking, with the mods we have done she just looks so bad ass. We are moving on to the Bronco world and off roading!
I absolutely love the interior and all the animations and such. They really seemed to step it up for this gen plus the outside looks killer 🤙
Love the exterior look. Hate the flat dash with ipads just hanging on. I also don't think that your car needs to have more computing power than a modern law office.
when your car runs a game engine, you know we've gone too far
looking forward to the first Doom port!
All the screens are the biggest turn off for me. I don't need or want a car that has a million settings and whatnot, I just want a car that is simple. I also don't need or want the newest, shiniest, most complicated car.
Let this be the final Frontier.
Of what car was.
A gas guzzling, brain busting V8.
In a world of quiet roads.
We have. The last True Muscle Car...
I gotta respect that you still have your s197.
Love seeing it around still
I’d still take my 2014 boss 302 any day of the week!
Can’t wait to add Boss exhaust to this. It will sound glorious
I'm guessing you don't actually own one, lol. They were only produced in '12 and '13, except for maybe a handful of 302R spec, track only cars
I’ve owned several generations of Mustangs, each had their own personality. I enjoyed your review and look forward to driving one myself, probably have to wait to get into a used one.
Thanks for your channel always enjoy your videos.
They’ve absolutely nailed it with the exterior but the interior looks insanely sloppy with those screens
Nailed it?? The sides BECAME boring. They removed the fuckin sharp edging and just made each side of the door a big flat piece of metal. What a disappointment...it's the SOLE reason I don't want it...
What about throttle hang,? When get on it in hard pull then let off the gas it takes a few seconds for the RPMS to come down on the automatic.
imagine this car with american racing headers
I can see the drift brake being huge for the ecoboost and the S650 ten speed should be pretty nuts
Finally a 2024 Honda Accord coupe
Can’t get over the giant screen on the dash. Love the rest
I think the S650 is a great evolution of the Mustang moving forward. I'm going to hold on to my '22 Mach1 but I really believe for the masses that it will be the greatest driving experience Mustang in the future. Excited to see these cars out in the wild.
I'm happy that Ford continued with the new S650 Mustang GT performance and the New Dark Horse. They could have kept the same engine while possibly reducing horsepower. Instead they gave us a New Gen 4 Coyote V8 powered sports cars at a time that EV technology is the number one automotive topic. I think back to 1988 when the Mustang was scheduled to become a completely new car that became the Probe. Thanks Ford for keeping the Mustang for the true sports car fans that appreciate your keeping the Mustang a Mustang while adding new technology creating new buyer across the world. Looking forward to seeing the new Ford performance /Multimatic Dark Horse GT3 race team competing against BMW, Aston Martin, Porsche and possibly the C8 GT3 in IMSA and races that will include the Rolex 24 at Daytona and LeMans.
Still not a fan of the screens and the front end is hideous to me. Still glad i picked up a '23 when i could.
Hated it at first looking at pictures, I kinda dig it now. Gives me NASCAR style body in a way
The pricing always amazer me.
in most of Europe you pay 5.0 money for the 2.3 ecoboost.
A friend of mine recently picked up a new Mach 1 it cost him close to 80K USD.
Sure it's on the shop so he can write off some expenses but still expensive.
That said for the power, you can't buy anything for that money. everything else over 400BHP start close to 100k.
80k for a mach 1 in europe? That dont sound too far off what some stealerships charge here in the u.s
@@j.moneyfilms Yeah think my dealer had a 15k markup on the one they had. Think it was 70k and not even a handling package. My 18 GT350 was 56k with 9 miles on it though.
It makes you wonder what the governments do with all that tariff money. In whose pockets does the money end up?
Wonder if there will be parts compatibility between the s550 and this?
Rear tail lights are the only thing I see that remind me of a Camaro..
I like the s550 better. The exterior, interior, gauges, taillights. Not a fan of the 650 rear end at all except that spoiler. I’ve never been a fan of vehicles with a lot of edges. I’ll probably just stick with the 550
I heard the steering is pretty bad; there's no feel whatsoever.
I mean it's OK. The interior looks great that's what I'm most impressed by. Let's be real it's a S550 1/2 that now has a look of a Camaro/Dodge. The dual cold air intakes, well that reminds me of the Nissan 350Z - 370Z. The Dark Horse will be marked up to 80,000 if you are thinking about spending that much on a Mustang just get a 2019-2020 Shelby GT350 or GT350R with the Gen 2 5.2. voodoo flat plane crank engine. Hell the MACH 1 is still a better buy than a Dark Horse. You don't have to kiss the Ford ring to be a Ford fan.
I absolutely love the look of the new S650 Mustang inside and out. The entertainment screen doesn't look like an afterthought, and from the reviews I've watched, sounds like it is perfect. I ordered the Dark Horse and can't wait to add cold air intake, a Whipple, and maybe Borla exhaust. Thank you for your hard work on your channel.
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I remember when the 3.7L V-6 was debuted in a commercial I saw on TV. I remember being shocked at over 300hp and 30mpg highway. Shortly after I got a base model 2014 3.7l new for $18,500. I got it on the 4th of July and the salesmen stayed late cause I didn’t know I was gonna buy a car that day haha.
I’ll stick with my S2000 👍🏼
I gotta go with the s550, unless it’s like a gt3 version of the s650
I feel like if the screens were separate instead of being conjoined by a usless 3 inch black bezel the interior would look really good from more angles than just the drivers seat, other than that I think its a great evolution from the s550
The base model and non pp gts don’t have the seamless screens, they’re two disconnected screens like you’re saying here. Food for thought
Thats dash board is god awful, and they should've ditched the mt-82. That transmission is absolutely garbage....
So true! It's why I got rid of the manual for the automatic
I'm a chevy guy. This is the best looking and most appealing to me mustang to date. Wouldn't even bat an eye at any other. This one kinda makes me want to try a mustang out.
I dislike the interior. Wish they kept the older style like the s550
So glad I have an S550. I like the looks of the S550 so much more than the S650. I'm not a fan of the lines at all.
I'm still not a fan of the screens. It probably won't age well.
Definitely gonna get a Flowmaster super 40 active exhaust on it when I get 1👍👍👍👍. Other than that it's gonna be my baby. No burning rubber. I just wanna ride 😂😂
In 30 years people are gonna be looking for analog cars. These cars with wall-to-wall iPads stuck everywhere looks cheap AF. One good center screen (updatable) would be perfect. Cars all look the same now. Cheap. I want analog buttons and knobs for ac and stereo. Everything else can go in the center stack screen. Oh, and analog gauges please. A screen in the analog gauge stack is fine. But all screen….no thanks. The difference between a 20k Altima and a 60k Mustang interior is negligible. No thanks.
How was the steering feel? The guys over at ThrottleHouse mentioned that it felt very numb. So far they are the only ones I have heard mention that so I'm curious what your experience was while driving it.
The MT-82, the locked ECU, and the price point are what kill this mustang for me.
Also I find it hilarious that you have to buy the Dark Horse appearance package... on the Dark Horse version of the car. 😑
Oh god, the S650 looks neat 🤤👌👌👌
Worse that 550 imho
Looks neat?
ANALOG GAUGES. This electronic display crap is just....nah.
Personally, I still like the S550 better.
I wish they would make em without a back seat.
Love the motor, pass on absolutely everything else in this car lol.
It’s missing a crucial mustang body line behind the door , it’s a sweet car