I don’t even have to watch this video to know the gt350R is the better car. But since I like watching your videos I will watch it in its entirety 😂. God bless Joe.
@bretthansen8166 I don't remember this video saying anything about camaros. But I'll play along. Gt350 is better on road or track than the zl1 1le. It's the stiffest car ever made. One rip to the mall and back and I needed back surgery. But by all means the camaro is much better...
I’ve owned my ‘19 GT350 for three years now and I still get excited when I get in it and listen to the cold start. It’s so fun to drive. I changed the shift knob, steering wheel (carbon fiber/leather) with a flat bottom and resonator delete. The Dark Horse looked interesting, but it’s a solid no for me, especially since I have extended warranty until 2029. The voodoo engine is just so special.
I’ve owned my 19 350 for 3 years now aswell. I’ve already decided it’s a forever car for me. I still get excited to drive it every time I get behind the wheel. Go like hell bro!
I bought a 2016 GT350 when it was only 1 yr. old. I'm now 76 yrs. old and she still makes me grin when I punch that start button. It's really hard to stay out of ticket territory in a car like this. I wouldn't trade it for a dark horse under any circumstances. I'm still looking for some tires that won't break the bank and will last more than 20,000 miles.
I went with the Dark Horse mainly because I believe it to be the better and more modern daily vehicle as my sole car (minus the fiancé's grocery getter). The 350 is absolutely special, but the level of comfort in my DH, even with the HP, is the selling point. I'm in Tampa, so if you ever want to do content with both cars, let me know!
Yep as a daily cant beat that good ol coyote ,the coyote is like a stable wife the voodoo is like a impressionable gold digger gf fun to be with but requires all your attention
If youre buying a weekend car, 350 is the way to go 100%. If its your only car, 5.0 GT, Mach1, or DH is the way to go. Voodoo engine is just not reliable enough and much more expensive to operate that its just not worth it if youre sitting in traffic 75% of the time.
Shelby gt 350 is my pick. The new C8 Vette with flat-plane crankshaft engine doesn't sound like American V8. Ford did great job maintaining the American V8 sound with the flat-plane crankshaft engine. And I like the Shelby that has more buttons than the Dark Horse. The metal shift knob is going to be really hot during the strong sunshine days.
The C8 Z06 sounds AMAZING and they have the regular stingray if you want tht American V8 sound plus both versions shit on these fords with under 3 secs 0-60......
@Forever.Remain.Nameless What all I care is if it comes with a manual or not. If I want a car can do 0 to 60 under 3 second, I'd get Tesla S Plaid. Vettes are tricky to own because it has specific lifting procedures and tires and rims are easy to get destroyed. Regardless of how good a car is if it is not a manual transmission, I am not interested.
Traded a hell cat widebody in on brand new 19 gt350 best car I've ever driven and I'm an old codger I've driven a lot of cars. Puts a smile on my face everytime I get behind the wheel.
I'm lucky enough to have 3 great cars from the Ford Family - 24 Dark Horse - 19 GT350 and the 21 GT500. All of them are excellent. - Also have an 09 GT-R - and Finally, last, but not least, a 21 A91-CF Supra - biggest issue is what beast to drive today. Thx, Joe!
My choose is GT350 no doubt. love the analog gage cluster. Joe, you and Raita's Rides team are master of Rock and Roll by Muscle cars like Mustang. Very enjoyable. Thank you so much.❤❤
1000% would not trade mine for the dark horse and can’t understand the price tag, considering I bought the GT350 below MSRP, but I can respect the creativity in marketing.
A Darkhorse is just an overpriced and Glorified Mustang GT ! After the Mach 1, they realized they can charge more if they throw the word "track" in the title. Ford should be ashamed.
@goldiilockzz7556 I think the reverse lol. But I just love the s550 look overall Sitting inside of both, the new s650 interior doesn't give you muscle car vibes. More like electric car vibes lol
@@alexfranco6653 I agree with your last point. I myself prefer the modernized look so I’m cool with that. Although I like the interior of the Dark Horse more, that massive screen is something I seriously dislike.
@@alexfranco6653it all boils down to preference mate truth of the matter is automatic also dooesnt give muscle car vibes but most people opt for it ,as long as it has a stick shift and a N/A v8 im not complaining
Love the plate on your GT350. I was texting with my son a while back and he said something like "Yeah, major zonk" so I am guessing he is a fan of your channel too.
I'm normally a tech guy, but in this case, it's the GT350R for me. I think those giant screens look really silly and companies need to figure out how to make real dashboards again with screens integrated into them, not looking like they're just glued on.
Hey Joe, I’m so glad you did this comparison you responded me the last time when I bought the brand new GT 350 and let me tell you something mine supercharged and it is insane
Keep your Shelby, Joe. Love the Dark Horse, especially the exterior color, but the Shelby is better for pure driving experience. I also love the retro individual gauges that give you the vital info you need most instead of the movie screen. And yes, go Michelin!
I have a 16 with the technology package and Magna ride. You don’t need the handling package with the Magna ride. I test drove both 4 years ago when I purchased my car and it drove better as a daily driver than one with the handling package.
Joe excellent comparison between the two cars. It is difficult to explain the performance difference in the new Dark Horse without handling package verses with the handling package. I go to track every weekend from 2 April through the third week in May. Throughout the summer I will have gone to 18-21 tracks on the East Coast. My Porsche Club goes as a group. Surprisingly many members also own Corvettes and Mustangs besides their P-Cars. As a result of that I have spent time on all those tracks in the Dark Horse. My neighbor owns a Dark Horse and has lowered his weight down from 3970 lbs. to 3650 pounds. I was surprised to find out that the Coyote DH engine is 11 pounds lighter than the GT-350R. We figured that the carbon rims save 41 pounds total and the back seat delete saves 26 pounds. I have seen 2 Dark Horse cars with the carbon rims. The owners claim a weight savings of 42 pounds. Not sure I believe that the savings is worth $8500 dollars. They do look good even with brake dust all over them. The handling packaged Dark Horse beats the GT-350R at every track (at all 21 tracks) that we go to. We in my group were all surprised to see this. Three reasons for this: 1st the Trofeo RS tires are better than the Cup II R tires. (Longer lasting & more grip)! 2nd, the brakes are better on the DH. Ford redesigned the digital response system for the new 2024 S650 cars. 3rd, the aero at higher speeds had more down force through high speed long turns! By the way the Dark Horse beats the Corvette C8 Z51 at all these tracks. I sold my C8 and have a Dark Horse on order w/Handling Pkg & Recaros. The seats save 36 pounds over the stock seats. Lastly the 10R80 auto is faster on the track than the Tremec 6-spd manual. If I could get a GT-350R Heritage edition I would prefer it for the looks and Voodoo engine, but your car is a life keeper. I should have NEVER sold my Porsche 964 RS America. I sold it after 7 years of tracking it for 2000 dollars more than I paid for it in 1993 ($61K). Now it is worth $250K. I would like to get the C8 ZR 1 but that’s gonna be difficult. I do prefer my 911 Turbo S (991.2) over all of them. It is 850 all-wheel horse power; and the perfect daily driver!!! :) 😮 Thanks Joe for all the many fantastic videos!!! You and Lori Rock Brother‼️👍👊💪🇺🇸😎
Seen the Darkhorse in person twice. People don't understand how upgraded the Mustang actually looks in person. Its a step up. The S650 is about to make 350R owners mad. Lol
I’m a GM corvette guy but I gotta admit that GT350R is one of the most iconic cars ever made. Just beautiful and raw, and that flat plane engine! Every once in a while a manufacturer puts out an absolutely drool worthy car and theGT350R is right up there with the C8 Z06 for me. I would love to open my garage and see either one. Gotta admit that Mustang does have a bit more of that anwesome traditional American muscle look tho.
GT350R for the win! 🏁 Your heritage edition is my absolute dream spec. Wimbledon white with blue stripes. I’ve always wanted that color combo since I was a kid. The ultimate Mustang in my book 👍
I prefer the 350R. I'm fine with the technology in the 350R. I prefer the older screen in my 2017 which is similar to the 350R. I actually would have the rear seat as I've used it on several occasions. Yes I have smaller friends who fit fine.
The Shelby screams more rpm’s. I prefer the dash on the Shelby……………and nothing can touch the Shelby name, IMO. Sounds a little Porschey from the interior ? Awesome video/comparison. One of your best videos ! 👍👍
I'm a hugh fan of the GT350 Mustangs. I thought the Voodoo would continue in future performances Mustangs, but have you ever wondered why the Voodoo hasn't been used in other performance Mustangs or a GTD series Stangs or was ever offered as a crate engine. Could it be reliability? I believe Ford is offering to replace engines in the 2018 models that have engine issues. I'm not sure if other years are are included. The GT350 series are fantastic Mustangs but the Dark Horse with the new Gen 4 Coyote is also a fantastic and more refined Mustang tuned for a limit of 7500 RPMs likely due to government regulations. If you want a Dark Horse racecar. Order a Dark Horse R without a back seat. You'll be able to compete in the IMSA Dark Horse racing series but unfortunately not drive it on the streets. When tunes become available for the S650 Coyote. The new Coyote will likely be an 8000 + RPM engine without a speed limiter. The Coyote is known for handles boost without issues like the special built Coyote based engines that run in the Coyote class in the NHRA. You'll find turbo Coyote's making 6 second high revving wheel standing passes. No matter your choice. If your a fan of the Mustang. They're both fantastic Mustangs that offer V8 performance. Thanks Ford for keeping the V8 Mustang alive while continuing to improve and add new models to the Mustang. I'm anxiously waiting for the GTD to hit the track for it's performance numbers. Your a winner owning either Stang. I keep hearing about the lack of manual temp controls. Another Mustang U-tuber mentioned he uses voice command to manage this system without using his fingers.
Your excitement is contagious Joe. From an early on subscriber, this is one of your best videos to date. Love the comparison idea…maybe something to incorporate from time to time?🏁👍
Great review, Joe! If I were in the market, and didn’t have a 16yo in the house, I would look for a 2019-20 GT350. I owned a 2016 when they first came out, but with tech package. Still, it was an awesome car.
Cheers Joe. I have its twin LR273 on the Heritage “R” just mine does have the Carbon Dash. Also at 2200 miles 😎 It’s going to be hard to match this car’s performance and experience. Love the video.
GT350 is an American masterpiece. I love anything mustang it’s an untouchable icon, but 2024 is by far my favorite year styling/quality wise. Being an owner of a 550 and now a 650. The overall quality of my 2024 is miles better. I’ve only owned ecoboost in both. Both fully loaded premiums but I never walk out to my car without a smile on my face. It may only have 4 cylinders and 315 ponies but it is an absolute blast to drive. A head turner at every light. Best purchase I’ve ever made. Thanks for your videos Joe been a fan for years!!
The thing about technology is that in 5 or 6 years, that dash in the Dark Horse will be outdated, old, and slow, that's just the nature of how fast technology moves, just look at your phone, it was fast and wonderful when it was brand new, after 3 or 4 years, the operating system is slowing down, it's buggy, and slow, while the analog in the Shelby GT350R will be timeless, it doesn't need over the air updates, new operating system, etc... When Bugatti introduced the Chiron, as journalist asked the President of Bugatti, why they are still using an analog dash while everyone is going digital. He replied "well, take any bmw or mercedes you bought 10 years ago, the digital screen, the navigation, all the touchscreen, it was wonderful, fast, and responsive, but the problem with technology is that it's moving at lightning speed. Today, that 10 year old technology is outdated, so when we sat down with our engineers, we want our interior to be timeless, 10 years from now, 20, 30, 50, it's still timeless".
I love all of your Mustang videos. I was part of the effort to convince Ford to let Walker Ford sell you a 350R. It was an exciting time. As you say there is a Mustang for everyone. My EcoBoost premium is right for me.
Joe, Love your GT 350 R! It’s all about Power to Weight…For a handling car. The GT 350 R is like “The Elvis” of Car Business, you may try to copy or imitate it…but you won’t ever touch it, even with new technology!!! Great job, Steven… you rock the camera man!!!
Thanks Joe! I always love your reviews of the Mustang vehicles. I have a 2018 GT350 and have enjoyed it thoroughly. Your reviews of the Acura TLX Type S also helped me decide on that vehicle for my daily vehicle. I'm partial to the GT350 and enjoy the analog gauges all day long over the digital. Stay On Throttle buddy!!!
Joe, you did a really fantastic job on this comparison between GT350R and the Dark Horse. Both are really good cars. Each of us will have are own bias when it comes to choosing a car. Thanks for the perspective. Very worthwhile!
Have the black rear deck lid painted to match. Then get stripe package for top of trunk and apply to matching deck lid. Have your mirrors done too. Looks great on my car.
Pulley swapped 2016 vmp with the side exhaust. 6 speed with 20". Nitto 555rs, lol. Great in the rain though. Them 17" on a race star rim with Mickey Thompson will work good.
I saw a GT350R heritage edition at C&C last weekend. Absolutely stunning spec. I know the Dark Horse is a better performance car, but there's no way in heck I'm taking one over a heritage edition GT350.
The GT350R is my dream car 100%. I still haven't seen one in person I want to though I live here in Maine and I've never seen one but that dark horse ain't touching the 350R that ain't happening I believe the 350R has the voodoo engine high revving flat plane that's a nasty car I've seen people twin turbos pushing 1300 nasty great content my friend be safe much love and all the respect
Love the video's and reviews! Keep them coming! I ordered a Dark Horse and it was wrecked in shipping. Ford and dealership were shady though the process, so I have moved on. Maybe going to find a C8 now that the prices are falling significantly.
I cant believe I watch this whole video, I already have a 2019 gt350 (it has the heated and cooled seat for the non R version) and not interested in the S650 mustang. the sound of the 5.2 is no just so crisp, no 5.0 can match IMO, I had the 5.0 before and it sounds nice, but the difference is subtle to me, but the flat plane crank is just something else. Glad to see what Ford can do with the cayote tho. BTW my 4 y/o daughter sits in the rear so I am glad they didn't delete it going forward haha
Thanks for this video. My budget is about 65k and this video helps make my decision more clearly. I was thinking on getting a gt premium and adding the whiple supercharger..but the tremec manual transmission only comes in the dark horse . At the end that voodoo engine is special along with the car . 👍🏼
2021 Mach 1 VS. 2024 Dark Horse would have been the better review. A Shelby GT350 is in a whole different league. I would sale my Mid 600RWHP 6 speed Supercharged 2020 GT for one and then boost that, but they are few and far between and the asking price for one is crazy.
Gt350r is just better in every way in my opinion. Very nice car 👍🏻. Sounds phenomenal, looks better, handles better, and is faster. No brainer in my opinion. Great video.
@@leeallenbeal how so? The only thing it does better than the gt350r is stop and has creature comforts. Dark horse is down on power and weighs more and the steering doesn’t have any feedback like the 350r. For racing that makes it’s a no brainer.
He talks like there was a major difference between the R and the regular GT350, but in 2020 the only difference was CF rims, different spoiler, different x-pipe setup, different shock tuning, and a slight stiffer rear sway bar. In most driving situations you can’t tell the difference between them.
Just watched the video, I have a 2020 Shelby GT350 and I just love the car. I bought it from a guy that wanted a 2023 Corvett instead, it had 5240 miles and always covered. came with the supper snake cover, and a small voodoo crank showpiece. I just love it... only a nice day car... Dark red with black stripes.
I’m getting my gt350 delivered in a few days and I’m super excited I’ve been waiting years to save up for this beauty❤ thank you for the reviews you have done on this car it has helped me pick out the right one👍🏼
Joe, it’s glad to see your GT 350R remains stock, I feel like I was only owner of a Mustang without tints lol. I would do dark horse because used GT 350’s can be tricky. Plus used GT 350’s are insanely expensive.
I felt the same about the aluminum dead pedal in my car, I bought and recommend you get a stick on one, it's made of aluminum and sticks right onto the dead pedal, makes it match the other pedals. mines been on it for years and still looks as good as the other pedals. Made by American Car Craft, stainless material brushed. Trust me on this, easy mod. I totally agree on the new Mustang screens, they ruin the interior.
Thanks Joe, great video as always!! With all of your connections at Ford, can you get a question answered for me? My Dark Horse order is on hold because the Handling Package is currently not available but is still an option. Is there any information on when the Handling Package will be available to order? Thank you for your help!!
It’s a crappy situation to be in I know but unfortunately now it’s just a waiting game. I know because I waited a year and a half to get my heritage edition ford bronco
Great video. I love my 2020 GT350R. I tried to get a heritage but they were gone or crazy money. I had a 2021 GT500 CFTP - solid it because I love the GT350R that much more. Sure the GT500 is faster but man the GT350R is just amazing. Now, how does your GT350R compare to the ZLE?
I like the GT350 for what it is. It is an amazing car. I had a 2012 Boss 302. Another amazing car. My problem is I dont race/track and I wanted a car that had power, performance, comfort, and be a great daily that I don't feel bad about about putting miles on, but still special. I went with the Bullitt.
Joe's ride is sick. Love it compared to Dark Horse. I had 2016 GT Premium without Performance Pack or Activated Exhaust, Automatic, Shadow Black. I agree with Joe, the new Digital Dash looks like an after thought; should have been more integrated with the interior. I love my analogue gauges compared to the new Digital one for 2024.
Great Review...Joe. But the GT350 is going down in History as one of Greats. The Dark Horse is Cool (and I'm certainly glad it's still here). But the Dark Horse is like last Generation Mach 1. Nice but kinda a Parts Bin Car. The GT350 is Special from the Body to the Engine... (And I agree with Jay Leno. Prop Rods never ...Fail😅)
Joe, super jealous of that 350r Heritage Edition! That's one of those heirloom cars, "they don't make 'em like that anymore!" Not to mention I prefer the S550 over the S650 anyway, that 350r is just amazing. Great video. edit: also, "ON THROTTLE!" is one of my favorite things in your videos. I feel it.
The GT350R Heritage all day long, especially if bought new (I know no longer possible). Personally I prefer to buy new, especially with a performance car. You don't know how a pervious owner took care of their car, what they did , what they didn't do, what they're hiding etc.. Both great cars the GT350R and the Dark Horse, but the GT350R is obviously more of a raw/analog sports car, will be more collectible vehicle over the long-haul. I like the more Camaro-like exterior styling and chassis improvements of the new S650 over the S550. However the digital dash wraparound flat screen cockpit, not for me. Too electric vehicle like for me. Always appreciate the honest reviews/comparisons.
Not an apples to apples comparison. Really should have been the Dark Horse with handling pack to be fair. That said I’d take the Dark Horse. The Coyote is waaay more robust than the Voodoo and there is so much more you can do with it in the aftermarket than you can do (should do) with the GT-350 R. Plus it’s far more compliant as a daily driver. AND anyone that thinks it looks like a Camaro need to check themselves. The Dark Horse is ALL Mustang and it looks like one. In fact it gets its modern interpretation of its rear quarter panel design from the ‘69 Fastback. So let’s set the record straight, the Camaro looks like a Mustang!
Love your reviews so much that your videos a few years back is what pushed me over the edge to buy a GT350. Picked up my 2020 GT350 Heritage Edition (chassis L0393) from Napa Ford in April 2021. It sat at the dealership since they ordered it in 2020. I live in Southern California and drove up north (with my trade-in) to pick it up. It was the BEST drive back to SOCAL along the PCH I ever did. 3 years later, I still love it and wouldn't trade it for anything else. 100% recommend a GT350 (R or non-R) over the new Mustang. Get 2019 or 2020, as the second gen 5.2L motor replaced the 2015-2018 powerplant. Then replace the stock air filter with a Ford Performance filter, install oil catch cans, and call it a day. If you get a non-R, the exhaust will be tamer as there are two resonators before reaching the mufflers (still sounds good, but not as loud as an R.) That's probably the only invasive modification I will do to mine. Keep the videos coming and when you're back in Cali, let us all know!
I don’t even have to watch this video to know the gt350R is the better car. But since I like watching your videos I will watch it in its entirety 😂. God bless Joe.
Bless you as well
For real, my first thoughts
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lol the mach1 track times smoke the 350r the DHorse adds to that smhl
Gt350 is untouchable....
Very good point
GT350 got zonked for the prop rod.
@bretthansen8166 I don't remember this video saying anything about camaros. But I'll play along. Gt350 is better on road or track than the zl1 1le. It's the stiffest car ever made. One rip to the mall and back and I needed back surgery. But by all means the camaro is much better...
@bretthansen8166 I have a 911 gt3 rs that smokes everything what's your point?...
No lies detected
I’ve owned my ‘19 GT350 for three years now and I still get excited when I get in it and listen to the cold start. It’s so fun to drive. I changed the shift knob, steering wheel (carbon fiber/leather) with a flat bottom and resonator delete. The Dark Horse looked interesting, but it’s a solid no for me, especially since I have extended warranty until 2029. The voodoo engine is just so special.
I’ve owned my 19 350 for 3 years now aswell. I’ve already decided it’s a forever car for me. I still get excited to drive it every time I get behind the wheel. Go like hell bro!
I bought a 2016 GT350 when it was only 1 yr. old. I'm now 76 yrs. old and she still makes me grin when I punch that start button. It's really hard to stay out of ticket territory in a car like this. I wouldn't trade it for a dark horse under any circumstances. I'm still looking for some tires that won't break the bank and will last more than 20,000 miles.
I’m Shelby GT500 owner and I like GT350 way more than dark horse. Nice review 👍🥂
For a track car gt350 is better but daily , really cant beat the good ol coyote is so torquey down lown and reliable
I went with the Dark Horse mainly because I believe it to be the better and more modern daily vehicle as my sole car (minus the fiancé's grocery getter). The 350 is absolutely special, but the level of comfort in my DH, even with the HP, is the selling point.
I'm in Tampa, so if you ever want to do content with both cars, let me know!
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That Voodoo is music to my ears !
Daily driver - DH is a not a bad call.
Yep as a daily cant beat that good ol coyote ,the coyote is like a stable wife the voodoo is like a impressionable gold digger gf fun to be with but requires all your attention
If youre buying a weekend car, 350 is the way to go 100%. If its your only car, 5.0 GT, Mach1, or DH is the way to go. Voodoo engine is just not reliable enough and much more expensive to operate that its just not worth it if youre sitting in traffic 75% of the time.
Shelby gt 350 is my pick. The new C8 Vette with flat-plane crankshaft engine doesn't sound like American V8. Ford did great job maintaining the American V8 sound with the flat-plane crankshaft engine. And I like the Shelby that has more buttons than the Dark Horse. The metal shift knob is going to be really hot during the strong sunshine days.
Excellent point
The C8 Z06 sounds AMAZING and they have the regular stingray if you want tht American V8 sound plus both versions shit on these fords with under 3 secs 0-60......
@Forever.Remain.Nameless What all I care is if it comes with a manual or not. If I want a car can do 0 to 60 under 3 second, I'd get Tesla S Plaid.
Vettes are tricky to own because it has specific lifting procedures and tires and rims are easy to get destroyed. Regardless of how good a car is if it is not a manual transmission, I am not interested.
@@Forever.Remain.Namelessthe c8 is not reliable and its transmission is crap. Ford GT and Gt500 the goat
Traded a hell cat widebody in on brand new 19 gt350 best car I've ever driven and I'm an old codger I've driven a lot of cars. Puts a smile on my face everytime I get behind the wheel.
I'm lucky enough to have 3 great cars from the Ford Family - 24 Dark Horse - 19 GT350 and the 21 GT500. All of them are excellent. -
Also have an 09 GT-R - and Finally, last, but not least, a 21 A91-CF Supra -
biggest issue is what beast to drive today.
Thx, Joe!
How does the supra compare to the gt350?
My choose is GT350 no doubt. love the analog gage cluster.
Joe, you and Raita's Rides team are master of Rock and Roll by Muscle cars like Mustang.
Very enjoyable. Thank you so much.❤❤
I’m so glad that I can bring the muscle car passion your way
1000% would not trade mine for the dark horse and can’t understand the price tag, considering I bought the GT350 below MSRP, but I can respect the creativity in marketing.
Pricing is definitely out of control
A Darkhorse is just an overpriced and Glorified Mustang GT !
After the Mach 1, they realized they can charge more if they throw the word "track" in the title.
Ford should be ashamed.
Dark Horse exterior is incredible and better but GT350 interior is much better
I think you may actually be the first to say that
The interior of the 350 is not better than the Dark Horse
@goldiilockzz7556 I think the reverse lol. But I just love the s550 look overall
Sitting inside of both, the new s650 interior doesn't give you muscle car vibes. More like electric car vibes lol
@@alexfranco6653 I agree with your last point. I myself prefer the modernized look so I’m cool with that. Although I like the interior of the Dark Horse more, that massive screen is something I seriously dislike.
@@alexfranco6653it all boils down to preference mate truth of the matter is automatic also dooesnt give muscle car vibes but most people opt for it ,as long as it has a stick shift and a N/A v8 im not complaining
Love the plate on your GT350. I was texting with my son a while back and he said something like "Yeah, major zonk" so I am guessing he is a fan of your channel too.
I like the looks of the GT350 way more ! I’ll take that one all day long!😉😉😉
Not even close. The Voodoo engine alone takes the win, but the Shelby is also lighter and has much better feel.
You are spot on the money
I just think the 350 looks better! Such a nice car Joe.
I'm normally a tech guy, but in this case, it's the GT350R for me. I think those giant screens look really silly and companies need to figure out how to make real dashboards again with screens integrated into them, not looking like they're just glued on.
GT350R and Z/28 are my favorites 🔥
Im team Dark Horse Joe, however, rumor has it a Shelby is coming down the line for the S650 platform. That should be a game changer....
omg u got both the cars this time wow! thanks for all the extra work u and ur team does for giving us our favoourite content!!!
I’m so glad you enjoyed this precise content
For me id be happy with either one, there both awesome!!!
I love the GT350R. One of my dream cars.
Hey Joe, I’m so glad you did this comparison you responded me the last time when I bought the brand new GT 350 and let me tell you something mine supercharged and it is insane
As a former Siberian husky owner, that is some serious braking performance you are talking about…😂
Keep your Shelby, Joe. Love the Dark Horse, especially the exterior color, but the Shelby is better for pure driving experience. I also love the retro individual gauges that give you the vital info you need most instead of the movie screen. And yes, go Michelin!
Shelbys are just special you can’t get any better. Being an owner of a 2007 Shelby GT/SC I don’t think I’d ever get rid of it.
I have a 16 with the technology package and Magna ride. You don’t need the handling package with the Magna ride. I test drove both 4 years ago when I purchased my car and it drove better as a daily driver than one with the handling package.
Joe excellent comparison between the two cars. It is difficult to explain the performance difference in the new Dark Horse without handling package verses with the handling package. I go to track every weekend from 2 April through the third week in May. Throughout the summer I will have gone to 18-21 tracks on the East Coast. My Porsche Club goes as a group. Surprisingly many members also own Corvettes and Mustangs besides their P-Cars. As a result of that I have spent time on all those tracks in the Dark Horse. My neighbor owns a Dark Horse and has lowered his weight down from 3970 lbs. to 3650 pounds. I was surprised to find out that the Coyote DH engine is 11 pounds lighter than the GT-350R. We figured that the carbon rims save 41 pounds total and the back seat delete saves 26 pounds. I have seen 2 Dark Horse cars with the carbon rims. The owners claim a weight savings of 42 pounds. Not sure I believe that the savings is worth $8500 dollars. They do look good even with brake dust all over them. The handling packaged Dark Horse beats the GT-350R at every track (at all 21 tracks) that we go to. We in my group were all surprised to see this. Three reasons for this: 1st the Trofeo RS tires are better than the Cup II R tires. (Longer lasting & more grip)! 2nd, the brakes are better on the DH. Ford redesigned the digital response system for the new 2024 S650 cars. 3rd, the aero at higher speeds had more down force through high speed long turns! By the way the Dark Horse beats the Corvette C8 Z51 at all these tracks. I sold my C8 and have a Dark Horse on order w/Handling Pkg & Recaros. The seats save 36 pounds over the stock seats. Lastly the 10R80 auto is faster on the track than the Tremec 6-spd manual. If I could get a GT-350R Heritage edition I would prefer it for the looks and Voodoo engine, but your car is a life keeper. I should have NEVER sold my Porsche 964 RS America. I sold it after 7 years of tracking it for 2000 dollars more than I paid for it in 1993 ($61K). Now it is worth $250K. I would like to get the C8 ZR 1 but that’s gonna be difficult. I do prefer my 911 Turbo S (991.2) over all of them. It is 850 all-wheel horse power; and the perfect daily driver!!! :) 😮
Thanks Joe for all the many fantastic videos!!! You and Lori Rock Brother‼️👍👊💪🇺🇸😎
Seen the Darkhorse in person twice. People don't understand how upgraded the Mustang actually looks in person. Its a step up. The S650 is about to make 350R owners mad. Lol
I've seen them in person too, and I always mistake them on the highway or on the roads for a Honda Accord
I’m a GM corvette guy but I gotta admit that GT350R is one of the most iconic cars ever made. Just beautiful and raw, and that flat plane engine! Every once in a while a manufacturer puts out an absolutely drool worthy car and theGT350R is right up there with the C8 Z06 for me. I would love to open my garage and see either one. Gotta admit that Mustang does have a bit more of that anwesome traditional American muscle look tho.
Viva the Ford Mustang and the the Shelby GT350r!
I love the way you think Luis!
@@RaitisRides Yes Joe thanks!
Gracias por compartir este video. Ojalá estos coches americanos nunca dejen de fabricarse. Saludos desde España
I'm a mustang guy but with the new redesign I'm thinking of going c8 instead. What do you think Joe c8 or dark horse
C8 Z51
I'm going with the GT350R. After driving a 1966 GT350H, I was hooked!
Oh man you are a lucky dog!
GT350R for the win! 🏁 Your heritage edition is my absolute dream spec. Wimbledon white with blue stripes. I’ve always wanted that color combo since I was a kid. The ultimate Mustang in my book 👍
The gt350R just looks better I’d pick the gt350R especially with the stripes
You have great taste
I prefer the 350R. I'm fine with the technology in the 350R. I prefer the older screen in my 2017 which is similar to the 350R. I actually would have the rear seat as I've used it on several occasions. Yes I have smaller friends who fit fine.
The Shelby screams more rpm’s. I prefer the dash on the Shelby……………and nothing can touch the Shelby name, IMO. Sounds a little Porschey from the interior ? Awesome video/comparison. One of your best videos ! 👍👍
I'm a hugh fan of the GT350 Mustangs. I thought the Voodoo would continue in future performances Mustangs, but have you ever wondered why the Voodoo hasn't been used in other performance Mustangs or a GTD series Stangs or was ever offered as a crate engine. Could it be reliability? I believe Ford is offering to replace engines in the 2018 models that have engine issues. I'm not sure if other years are are included. The GT350 series are fantastic Mustangs but the Dark Horse with the new Gen 4 Coyote is also a fantastic and more refined Mustang tuned for a limit of 7500 RPMs likely due to government regulations. If you want a Dark Horse racecar. Order a Dark Horse R without a back seat. You'll be able to compete in the IMSA Dark Horse racing series but unfortunately not drive it on the streets. When tunes become available for the S650 Coyote. The new Coyote will likely be an 8000 + RPM engine without a speed limiter. The Coyote is known for handles boost without issues like the special built Coyote based engines that run in the Coyote class in the NHRA. You'll find turbo Coyote's making 6 second high revving wheel standing passes. No matter your choice. If your a fan of the Mustang. They're both fantastic Mustangs that offer V8 performance. Thanks Ford for keeping the V8 Mustang alive while continuing to improve and add new models to the Mustang. I'm anxiously waiting for the GTD to hit the track for it's performance numbers. Your a winner owning either Stang.
I keep hearing about the lack of manual temp controls. Another Mustang U-tuber mentioned he uses voice command to manage this system without using his fingers.
Your excitement is contagious Joe. From an early on subscriber, this is one of your best videos to date. Love the comparison idea…maybe something to incorporate from time to time?🏁👍
Thanks for the feedback and being on this journey with me!
Great review, Joe! If I were in the market, and didn’t have a 16yo in the house, I would look for a 2019-20 GT350. I owned a 2016 when they first came out, but with tech package. Still, it was an awesome car.
Great review, Joe! Definitely noticed the kid come out in you as you test drove both vehicles 😁
Cheers Joe. I have its twin LR273 on the Heritage “R” just mine does have the Carbon Dash. Also at 2200 miles 😎 It’s going to be hard to match this car’s performance and experience. Love the video.
That is so fantastic! You have good taste
GT350 is an American masterpiece. I love anything mustang it’s an untouchable icon, but 2024 is by far my favorite year styling/quality wise. Being an owner of a 550 and now a 650. The overall quality of my 2024 is miles better. I’ve only owned ecoboost in both. Both fully loaded premiums but I never walk out to my car without a smile on my face. It may only have 4 cylinders and 315 ponies but it is an absolute blast to drive. A head turner at every light. Best purchase I’ve ever made. Thanks for your videos Joe been a fan for years!!
GT350r will be in my garage next to my 13’ Boss 302!
The thing about technology is that in 5 or 6 years, that dash in the Dark Horse will be outdated, old, and slow, that's just the nature of how fast technology moves, just look at your phone, it was fast and wonderful when it was brand new, after 3 or 4 years, the operating system is slowing down, it's buggy, and slow, while the analog in the Shelby GT350R will be timeless, it doesn't need over the air updates, new operating system, etc... When Bugatti introduced the Chiron, as journalist asked the President of Bugatti, why they are still using an analog dash while everyone is going digital. He replied "well, take any bmw or mercedes you bought 10 years ago, the digital screen, the navigation, all the touchscreen, it was wonderful, fast, and responsive, but the problem with technology is that it's moving at lightning speed. Today, that 10 year old technology is outdated, so when we sat down with our engineers, we want our interior to be timeless, 10 years from now, 20, 30, 50, it's still timeless".
Joe, what made you choose the 350r over the 500 ? was it purely the availability of a manual transmission ?
Hey Mr. Raiti! Have a great day! Best car reviewer on YT. Period
O can’t do it without you mike
I love all of your Mustang videos. I was part of the effort to convince Ford to let Walker Ford sell you a 350R. It was an exciting time. As you say there is a Mustang for everyone. My EcoBoost premium is right for me.
Local dealer has a Dark Horse in the showroom with a sticker of $87k. what a joke! I'll buy a C7 Z06 and have money left over for 2 yrs of gas!
Then buy a C7 or c6😂
Joe, Love your GT 350 R! It’s all about Power to Weight…For a handling car. The GT 350 R is like “The Elvis” of Car Business, you may try to copy or imitate it…but you won’t ever touch it, even with new technology!!! Great job, Steven… you rock the camera man!!!
Thanks Joe! I always love your reviews of the Mustang vehicles. I have a 2018 GT350 and have enjoyed it thoroughly. Your reviews of the Acura TLX Type S also helped me decide on that vehicle for my daily vehicle. I'm partial to the GT350 and enjoy the analog gauges all day long over the digital. Stay On Throttle buddy!!!
That is not a question, Shelby GT350R wins in all categories
But thanks for pointing it out
Joe, you did a really fantastic job on this comparison between GT350R and the Dark Horse. Both are really good cars. Each of us will have are own bias when it comes to choosing a car. Thanks for the perspective. Very worthwhile!
Have the black rear deck lid painted to match. Then get stripe package for top of trunk and apply to matching deck lid. Have your mirrors done too. Looks great on my car.
Those are great suggestions.
Pulley swapped 2016 vmp with the side exhaust. 6 speed with 20". Nitto 555rs, lol. Great in the rain though. Them 17" on a race star rim with Mickey Thompson will work good.
I love your GT350R Joe!! Awesome car!! 👍🏻👍🏻
I really appreciate you saying that
I saw a GT350R heritage edition at C&C last weekend. Absolutely stunning spec. I know the Dark Horse is a better performance car, but there's no way in heck I'm taking one over a heritage edition GT350.
Good call Christen!
Been waiting for this and as usual Joe didn’t disappoint. That sound in the GT350R is unmatched imo. Thanks Joe! ✌️
The plate on the GT350R is so perfectly a Joe thing, I give it a 10
The GT350R is my dream car 100%. I still haven't seen one in person I want to though I live here in Maine and I've never seen one but that dark horse ain't touching the 350R that ain't happening I believe the 350R has the voodoo engine high revving flat plane that's a nasty car I've seen people twin turbos pushing 1300 nasty great content my friend be safe much love and all the respect
Broooooo the Shelby is a badass 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Thanks brother!
Love the video's and reviews! Keep them coming! I ordered a Dark Horse and it was wrecked in shipping. Ford and dealership were shady though the process, so I have moved on. Maybe going to find a C8 now that the prices are falling significantly.
Ooh i do like the dash and gauges better on the Shelby!!!
I cant believe I watch this whole video, I already have a 2019 gt350 (it has the heated and cooled seat for the non R version) and not interested in the S650 mustang. the sound of the 5.2 is no just so crisp, no 5.0 can match IMO, I had the 5.0 before and it sounds nice, but the difference is subtle to me, but the flat plane crank is just something else. Glad to see what Ford can do with the cayote tho. BTW my 4 y/o daughter sits in the rear so I am glad they didn't delete it going forward haha
Is the 2015 Overland the best value for your money? I think so, but I was concerned about rattling.
Oh wow!
Thanks for this video. My budget is about 65k and this video helps make my decision more clearly. I was thinking on getting a gt premium and adding the whiple supercharger..but the tremec manual transmission only comes in the dark horse . At the end that voodoo engine is special along with the car . 👍🏼
Great job Joe. Love your videos, great attention to the details. The GT350r gets my vote. That sound is amazing!
Not even close the GT350! The sounds that come out of my GT350R are magical. Cannot wait for the Cobra and GTD.
Great Comparison Joe ..
I’m liking the GT 350 but both are amazing cars.
2021 Mach 1 VS. 2024 Dark Horse would have been the better review.
A Shelby GT350 is in a whole different league. I would sale my Mid 600RWHP 6 speed Supercharged 2020 GT for one and then boost that, but they are few and far between and the asking price for one is crazy.
I got leather Recaros in my 18 GT, which is the best Mustang value wise u can get.
Gt350r is just better in every way in my opinion. Very nice car 👍🏻. Sounds phenomenal, looks better, handles better, and is faster. No brainer in my opinion. Great video.
Datk horse is just better in every way
@@leeallenbeal how so? The only thing it does better than the gt350r is stop and has creature comforts. Dark horse is down on power and weighs more and the steering doesn’t have any feedback like the 350r. For racing that makes it’s a no brainer.
He talks like there was a major difference between the R and the regular GT350, but in 2020 the only difference was CF rims, different spoiler, different x-pipe setup, different shock tuning, and a slight stiffer rear sway bar. In most driving situations you can’t tell the difference between them.
Just watched the video, I have a 2020 Shelby GT350 and I just love the car. I bought it from a guy that wanted a 2023 Corvett instead, it had 5240 miles and always covered. came with the supper snake cover, and a small voodoo crank showpiece.
I just love it... only a nice day car... Dark red with black stripes.
That is so very wonderful!
I’m getting my gt350 delivered in a few days and I’m super excited I’ve been waiting years to save up for this beauty❤ thank you for the reviews you have done on this car it has helped me pick out the right one👍🏼
Joe, it’s glad to see your GT 350R remains stock, I feel like I was only owner of a Mustang without tints lol.
I would do dark horse because used GT 350’s can be tricky.
Plus used GT 350’s are insanely expensive.
I felt the same about the aluminum dead pedal in my car, I bought and recommend you get a stick on one, it's made of aluminum and sticks right onto the dead pedal, makes it match the other pedals. mines been on it for years and still looks as good as the other pedals. Made by American Car Craft, stainless material brushed. Trust me on this, easy mod.
I totally agree on the new Mustang screens, they ruin the interior.
I got my eye on a 2016 gt350 track pack … 12,000 miles mint condition and fair price …. Any thoughts if I should pass on this ???
the Shelby is more raw, thus more fun! imho.
Thanks Joe, great video as always!! With all of your connections at Ford, can you get a question answered for me? My Dark Horse order is on hold because the Handling Package is currently not available but is still an option. Is there any information on when the Handling Package will be available to order? Thank you for your help!!
It’s a crappy situation to be in I know but unfortunately now it’s just a waiting game. I know because I waited a year and a half to get my heritage edition ford bronco
I prefer the GT 350 but the ones I've found have engine modifications and to me that's a big problem when it comes to buy a pre owned car.
2016 Mustang gt350 started at 49k, yep you heard that right, dark house 60.............something seriously wrong with car prices today.
Inflation. The gt350 cost 60k used today min 😅😅
Wow its been a while since a comparison! I’d take the dark horse cuz of the looks and real sporty dark look this is fire 🔥
I appreciate you enjoying this one!
Looks and performance and fun all go to the gt350
This review made me Smile , both cars sound fantastic
The dark horse badge kinda looks like an Amazon Chinese belt buckle NGL
I would definitely pick the GT350. (Love that color Joe)
Great video. I love my 2020 GT350R. I tried to get a heritage but they were gone or crazy money. I had a 2021 GT500 CFTP - solid it because I love the GT350R that much more. Sure the GT500 is faster but man the GT350R is just amazing. Now, how does your GT350R compare to the ZLE?
I like the GT350 for what it is. It is an amazing car. I had a 2012 Boss 302. Another amazing car. My problem is I dont race/track and I wanted a car that had power, performance, comfort, and be a great daily that I don't feel bad about about putting miles on, but still special. I went with the Bullitt.
There’s your Baby Joe! 🤙🤙😎🐍🐍🐍 I also have a Heritage “R”. No way would I trade for the DarkHorse!
Yes sir! I love her!
@@RaitisRidesI have a Heritage “R” as well. # 180. I know exactly how you feel! 🐍🐍🐍
@@RichGT350rgreat minds think a like
Joe's ride is sick. Love it compared to Dark Horse. I had 2016 GT Premium without Performance Pack or Activated Exhaust, Automatic, Shadow Black. I agree with Joe, the new Digital Dash looks like an after thought; should have been more integrated with the interior. I love my analogue gauges compared to the new Digital one for 2024.
Great Review...Joe. But the GT350 is going down in History as one of Greats. The Dark Horse is Cool (and I'm certainly glad it's still here). But the Dark Horse is like last Generation Mach 1. Nice but kinda a Parts Bin Car. The GT350 is Special from the Body to the Engine...
(And I agree with Jay Leno. Prop Rods never ...Fail😅)
Joe, super jealous of that 350r Heritage Edition! That's one of those heirloom cars, "they don't make 'em like that anymore!" Not to mention I prefer the S550 over the S650 anyway, that 350r is just amazing. Great video. edit: also, "ON THROTTLE!" is one of my favorite things in your videos. I feel it.
The GT350R, Still sounds better, though the Dark Horse has a deeper sound.
Your Shelby wins
The GT350R Heritage all day long, especially if bought new (I know no longer possible). Personally I prefer to buy new, especially with a performance car. You don't know how a pervious owner took care of their car, what they did , what they didn't do, what they're hiding etc.. Both great cars the GT350R and the Dark Horse, but the GT350R is obviously more of a raw/analog sports car, will be more collectible vehicle over the long-haul. I like the more Camaro-like exterior styling and chassis improvements of the new S650 over the S550. However the digital dash wraparound flat screen cockpit, not for me. Too electric vehicle like for me. Always appreciate the honest reviews/comparisons.
Not an apples to apples comparison. Really should have been the Dark Horse with handling pack to be fair. That said I’d take the Dark Horse. The Coyote is waaay more robust than the Voodoo and there is so much more you can do with it in the aftermarket than you can do (should do) with the GT-350 R. Plus it’s far more compliant as a daily driver. AND anyone that thinks it looks like a Camaro need to check themselves. The Dark Horse is ALL Mustang and it looks like one. In fact it gets its modern interpretation of its rear quarter panel design from the ‘69 Fastback. So let’s set the record straight, the Camaro looks like a Mustang!
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I like the different gauge options on the Dark Horse, my favorite being the Fox Body gauges!
I like the way that you think!
Awesome review I personally like the gt350 and the mach 1 more than the dark horse.
That is a real nice looking area, you drove through; where is it?
Love your reviews so much that your videos a few years back is what pushed me over the edge to buy a GT350. Picked up my 2020 GT350 Heritage Edition (chassis L0393) from Napa Ford in April 2021. It sat at the dealership since they ordered it in 2020. I live in Southern California and drove up north (with my trade-in) to pick it up. It was the BEST drive back to SOCAL along the PCH I ever did. 3 years later, I still love it and wouldn't trade it for anything else.
100% recommend a GT350 (R or non-R) over the new Mustang. Get 2019 or 2020, as the second gen 5.2L motor replaced the 2015-2018 powerplant. Then replace the stock air filter with a Ford Performance filter, install oil catch cans, and call it a day. If you get a non-R, the exhaust will be tamer as there are two resonators before reaching the mufflers (still sounds good, but not as loud as an R.) That's probably the only invasive modification I will do to mine.
Keep the videos coming and when you're back in Cali, let us all know!
love yurr reveiws mr.joe!!!!!always look 4wards 2 you getten 2the dead pedal on any car...ITS ALWAYS ..ZONKED!!!!!..hillarious.........