I like the dialogue between Darth Sidious and Count Dooku. Both express there personalities really well. Its interesting how they have opposite views on the two main characters of the prequel trilogy. Dooku wants to spare Kenobi and sees Skywalker as nothing more than a juvenile delinquent who is better off dead. While Sidious wants the opposite. They are practically arguing in the most polite manner possible.
dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
@@MaskhenzoG Look up these incidents. 1 - fight with depa billaba (on horun kaal). 2 - fight with kar vastor. 3 - fight with sora bulq (in ruul). 4 - multiple duels against asajj ventress. 5 - lack of ability to defeat general grievous with pure bladework. He needed to resort to force attacks each time he beat him. 6 - mace admitted in revenge of the sith he believed obi wan is a better sword master
This shows how Sidious and Dooku planned their plot to destroy the Jedi. However at the end Dooku was betrayed by his master and learned that betrayal is the Sith way.
Well, he was planning to betray his own master all along. That's why he revealed Darth Sidious existence back at Genosis. And why he has always tried to turn Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Revenge of the Sith is not only my favorite Star Wars movie but also one of my favorite movies of all time. The novelization, in my opinion, surpasses the movie. And I will leave it at that.
The novelization and video game both excel beyond the movie in some ways; the novel with its great dialogue in scenes like this, the game in that it adds more action and cool things to see, such as Grievous having an actual, lengthy lightsaber duel with Obi-Wan.
@@DayTripperrr It is! I’m not saying it isn’t! It’s definitely my favorite Star Wars movie, and it’s absolutely one of my favorite movies of all time! I just think that because The book was allowed to be longer, it was allowed to have more material than the movie. And, as is the case with most of the clone wars era, the more material, the better.
@@morsecode980 dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
@@justsomeguywhokeepsgetting4885 But It was also a loss of precious midi-chlorians that made Anakin slightly weaker than he could've been. It is also a reason Sidious is disappointed in Vader's failure on Mustafar, because replacing his other three limbs is easy in the SW universe but regaining those midi-chlorians in cybernetic limbs is impossible.
Dooku, for as much of a smug jerk as he is, makes a fair analysis of Anakin. Anakin is reckless and impulsive, which makes him dangerous to both himself and others. In fact, this recklessness and impulsiveness end up destroying himself and almost everyone around him.
Exactly same goes for people like Asajj, Quinlan, and the other Dark Acoylytes including Grievous And Durge while Obi Wan would be the best prospect for a third in command of the empire he has more potential then all of the potential candidates for Dooku And Sidious except for Anakin and he has the best tactics and strategies compared to the others when not piloting, or using machinery that is yeah.
I love this scene so much. You can sort of sense the undercurrent of just how much Sidious finds Dooku’s aristocratic snobbery and bigotry annoying. It makes sense considering how Palpatine came from a far less wealthier and influential family on Naboo. Nice minor detail on how someone like Palpatine would hold resentment towards Dooku
@Boston Hostetler Like I said, he did, but nowhere near the wealth Dooku’s family had. House Palpatine was a small-time house who’s influence pretty much extended to their own planet of Naboo, while Dooku’s inherited family wealth made him one of the top wealthiest men in the entire galaxy
@Boston Hostetler Yeah I feel that aspect was added by Stover because he isn’t a fan of Dooku, and wanted to make as big of an asshole as possible, what better way than to make him both an elitist and a racist. Dooku is never a racist anywhere else other than the ROTS novel as far as I know.
@Boston Hostetler not much depth to maul he was a scary red dude with a cool weapon he gave a cool fight but really did not have much to do in the films after that
dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
"Kenobi glitters: as a translucent being he opened a door toward the sunny field of the Force. Skywalker is a stormcloud: dangerous thunderbolts circle around him, intensifying the vortex that may even turn into a tornado. And of course: there's Palpatine - above it all. He shows non of what's hidden inside. Palpatine was an event horizon even through the eyes of the dark side itself. Underneath his common surface there was absolute, perfect nothingness. The black hole of the Force."
dooku was older than palpatine dooku also defeated mace when he was a jedi now that hes a sith dooku is more powerful the heirachy is clear 1st (strongest) - Dooku as a sith 2nd - Dooku as a jedi 3rd - (a tie) between mace windu and palpatine cause palpatine already let out most of his power on killing the 3 council members so mace beating him was not a fair win
I feel saddened by how sociopathic and racist Dooku is in the novelization. I keep thinking that he was not always like this, and that his mindset was slowly made this way by embracing the Dark Side and its philosophies. Before he seemed a good man who genuinely cared for the Galaxy and its inhabitants. Before becoming Count, he was renowned for skill as a fair diplomat and his political idealism.
Yeah him being racist really confuses me, i’m not sure where he would have gotten the chance to develop such a mentality when raised amongst several alien species.
Hardly. Dooku was a count, raised amongst the Jedi. Whether he was in the order or in royalty he was a member of a very privileged group of people. Remember, Dooku allied with a bunch of war profiteers on the separatist council.
Dooku was right, Anakin was a danger to himself and others without proper discipline and control of his power and in the end, Anakin becoming Darth Vader proves it.
Very interesting to me this conversation. Dooku wanted the Sith Empire after the Clone Wars, but Sidious deceived him and replaced by Anakin Skywalker, later Darth Vader. Dooku's death makes me sad, as he believed that the Jedi and the Republic are corrupt and believed also that his plans would be to make the Galaxy a better place. He didn't realize that betrayal is the way of Sidious until his death.
We should gotten this scene as one of the three arcs in Clone Wars Season 7 to replace the Martinez sisters Arc. Don't get me wrong I like Ahsoka but, seeing more of how Dooku feels about Palpatine's grand plan before the Anakin & Obi wan vs Dooku duel would have made the whole Clone Wars show feel more complete.
i find it interesting how Dooku finds Anakin’s robotic arm repulsive as if he isn’t the reason he wears it. Like sir this is WAR now! there is no time for him to just immediately switch to his less dominant hand and why not use a metal arm… It’s Star Wars.
Dave Fillioni and company don't respect this novel at all Cody, hell I don't even know if they know it exists but they constantly retconed a bunch of this material and EU I believe more out of ignorance than reason.
@@drewzoobulandes4184 yeah tbh, and I think I remember a little while back dave filoni said he cares more about storytelling than continuity or sum like that
dooku was older than palpatine dooku also defeated mace when he was a jedi now that hes a sith dooku is more powerful the heirachy is clear 1st (strongest) - Dooku as a sith 2nd - Dooku as a jedi 3rd - (a tie) between mace windu and palpatine cause palpatine already let out most of his power on killing the 3 council members so mace beating him was not a fair win
Waw, I see it even more now, how much Palpatine belives in Anakin, Palpatine even think’s Anakin’s cybernetic arm is a heroic win since it makes Anakin Stronger, and it looks like Palpatine is disgust how Count Dooku see how you should fight with a lightsaber.
Palpatine:Obi Wan is too indoctrinated in the jedi code Obi Wan: Breaks the Jedi code by having feelings for Satine, Killing General Grievous, and Killing Darth Maul
Star Wars The Clone Wars Was Written By Fools (Lucas Included) Who Openly Disregarded The Lore Established By The Expanded Universe. If You Don't Believe Me, Just Look Up The Video "Why The Clone Wars Doesn't Fit Within Star Wars Legends" Parts 1 & 2.
@@lastdayonearth8381 the inconsistencies are there for certain, but manda Lore didn’t post those videos to be spiteful against the clone wars creators.
i would not say killing Grevous or maul was breaking the code jedi are alowed to take a life its just breaking the code if they try to surrender or if capture is easy but as both were when he killed them both strong and trying to kill him he did not break any rules
@@lastdayonearth8381 no one cares about legends now. lets be real legends was so overblown and had the characters so powerful they were basically gods. the vast majority of the legends stories were complete garbage riddled with so much plot armor it puts the sequel trilogy to shame. almost every legends story has some variation of "and then X famous character shows up and saves the day out of nowhere" trope. you have the thrawn novels, darth bane trilogy and the darth plageus novel which are masterful but everything else was pretty dumb. dark empire was still dumb, the yus ong van w/e its spelled was pretty dumb as well, even the darth kideus novel series had a lot of poorly written moments in it to propell the plot in a certain character breaking way.
@@ninvusoogoar6098 Nonsense, Legends Was Never Overblown If Anything It Was Underblown. Before Early 2016 I Didn't Even Know There Was More Star Wars Media Than The 7 Movies At The Time. Let Alone That There Was Now 2 Very Different Star Wars Universes. Never Once Heard About The Events Post Return Of The Jedi Before The Force Awakens. The God Like Powers Of The Characters From Legends Is Without A Doubt One Of My Favorite Things About It, Despite How Obviously Bad Of An Idea It Is Continuity Wise. Majority Of Legends Stories Were Not Garbage, If Anything I Think They Were Better Than The Original 6 Films Story Wise. One Of The Best Things About Legends Is The Off The Wall Stories That Were In It. They Really Are Similar To The Memeness Of The First 3 Films. Space Wizards, Wise Little Green Men, Tyrannical Intergalactic Governments, Laser Swords, Moon Sized Space Craft, Wealthy Huge Slugs, Bigfoot In Space, Cities Floating In The Sky, Basically Nazis With Ray Guns, Politicians That Shoot Lightning Out Their Fingers. You Can't Tell Me Lucas Wasn't On Something When He Thought Up The Ideas For Star Wars. Therefore Star Wars Legend's Wackiness Is A Huge Positive In My Eyes. Dark Empire Was Great In My Opinion, If Sidious Was A Real Life Character With Supernatural Powers Then You Would Expect Him To Return. It Sorta Was Inevitable. Yuuzhan Vong Arch Was Great. Independence Day Style Story In Star Wars Was A Great Idea. Darth Caedus Arch Wasn't Was Good As I Hoped But It Had Its Moments. Love The Parallels Between Jacen's Story And His Grandfather Anakin's.
Dooku being a racist is a no-no, me no likie that yet the dialogue about Kenobi and Skywalker is perfect. I've always had the head canon that, Cody was always the first clone Sidious orders to assassinate their Jedi General. I think this is definitively the case in both Canon and the old EU but I doubt it. I love how this book makes it clear. Sidious wants Kenobi gone, asap.
Sidious should of agreed with Dooku about finding a younger apprentice who was less impuslive and smarter then Anakin when it came to laying down plans like then people like Anakin, Quinlan Vos, Asajj Ventress, Sora Bulq, Grievous, And Durge were all too hot headed so in that sense Obi Wan would be a better person to do there dirty work once the empire came along even if Obi lacked the midichlorian count Anakin did he had a higher one then all the other candidates plus was much smarter and more strategic even though he does not have the potential to surpass Dooku Nor Sidious or even equal them if only Obi Wan was not so attached to the Jedi Code then he would of been the best choice yeah.
No one in star wars is more powerful than Palpatine except for someone with Skywalker blood Yoda and Mace faced a Palpatine who's not at full potential yet but Palpatine gave them a hard fight
So, I thought that I heard (or read) somewhere that Sidius (Palatine) instructed Tyrannis (Dooku) to go easy on Anakin... so is that true (or is that what someone got out of that conversation...)?
yes and no Palpatine did tell him to go easy but in thr book when they start fighting dooku realizes he could actually die and that's why he knocks out obiwan then actually loses to anakin
Sidious didn't really tell Dooku to hold back in a fight, he simply instructed Dooku to not kill Anakin. At first Dooku is in control of the duel and Palpatine even used the force to help him take Obi-Wan out of the fight and see how Anakin would fare alone, and that's when Anakin tapped into the dark side right before disarming Dooku when he realized things were serious and deadly.
A question I have is how was Dooku going to get off Invisible Hand as Anakin’s prisoner, wouldn’t Grevious try to stop Anakin from leaving with Palpatine and Dooku?
I think Grievous would've tried executing Dooku. In the Son of Dathomir, Grievous says that he would've been disappointed if he had to face against Dooku if the latter had joined Maul before Maul took Dooku to meet Mother Talzin.
@@_MaZTeR_ assuming grievious does value the counts life, Anakin might be able to hold a defeated dooku hostage at saberpoint so that their not too impaired. If he doesn't...thing might get interestingly complicated!
I genuinely dislike how this novel shoe-horned Dooku into being a human supremacist. It doesn't fit with his character, and every portrayal since hasn't shown a hint of that weird detail
It does fit with his character. At this point it has been three years into the Clone Wars and even more since Dooku's turn to the dark side, and human supremacy is widespread in the SW universe - if you look at the treatment of droids, or non-human species they aren't as privileged as humans from Coruscant, Alderaan etc. are.
@@nerdomatic2489he spent his formative years a great majority of his life as a Jedi though. Trained by a very non human like alien. True, Dooku has fallen so far to the darkside that the worst of his traits would become all but enflamed, but it's curious to think where he would've learned to be anti alien or cyborg in the first place. It didn't seem to bother him as a Jedi, and he already had strong convictions so it seems out of left field to start becoming racist in his golden years.
I know it's so stupid, his Jedi master was a non human and two of his dark side apprentices were non human. He leads the Separatists who were primarily non human and was popular amongst them for calling out The Republic's discrimination against the Outer Rim. Also the Sith originated as an alien non human cult and he calls himself one.
Dooku's whole thing is that he had the public persona as a political idealist while being a scheming Sith lord the whole time. A lesser version of Palpatine. Sure he did believe in positive change for the Republic but that was before he fell to the dark side. Its only natural that his fall would lead to his ideals being corrupted and perverted into what he envisons before his death. Believing that he was just misguided or deceived by Palpatine while still having the best intentions is literally buying into his in universe propaganda and lies
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 Palpatine is a master manipulator so even if Dooku tells Anakin then Palpatine would make another excuse which Anakin will believe
Also when you're writing a novel you have the ability to stretch out a scene for as long as you want and provide as much detail as you want because there's no time limit unlike in a movie where you have about 2 hours to tell as much information as you can over the course of the entire story
dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
Yeah no, if he was more powerful than Palpy, Dooku would've killed him as soon as he was betrayed. And that whole Windu vs. Palpatine thing is bullshit anyway, not only was it pretty obvious in the movie, but the book explicitly tells us that he threw the fight once he sensed Anakin being nearby. Like, he defeated Yoda and 3 other Jedi masters but couldn't beat Windu? That's bullshit
@@nagger8216 i dont like yoda but read the comic of ROTS u can see yoda blocked/deflected the sith lightning of palpatine in a TCW COMIC (taken place in a incident called battle of tatooine during the clone war) Dooku fought yoda again he electrocuted his ear with LIGHTNING dooku in son of dathomir survived the lightning blast of palpatine UNLIKE Mace who could not survive that lightning blast in ROTS dooku was more powerful than palpatine BUT HE WAS UNAWARE of palpatines power so he was tricked into thinking palpatine was tougher OR he actually believed palpatines goal was correct so he decided to follow his orders
I like the dialogue between Darth Sidious and Count Dooku. Both express there personalities really well. Its interesting how they have opposite views on the two main characters of the prequel trilogy. Dooku wants to spare Kenobi and sees Skywalker as nothing more than a juvenile delinquent who is better off dead. While Sidious wants the opposite. They are practically arguing in the most polite manner possible.
dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here
palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is
dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
@@kagamiuchihathebeast5862 not really dooku is a complete fighter but Mace is OP(Form 7, vaapard and shatterpoint)
@@MaskhenzoG u need to learn more about mace windu before u compare him to any fighter
He is overrated
@@kagamiuchihathebeast5862 alright
@@MaskhenzoG Look up these incidents.
1 - fight with depa billaba (on horun kaal).
2 - fight with kar vastor.
3 - fight with sora bulq (in ruul).
4 - multiple duels against asajj ventress.
5 - lack of ability to defeat general grievous with pure bladework. He needed to resort to force attacks each time he beat him.
6 - mace admitted in revenge of the sith he believed obi wan is a better sword master
This shows how Sidious and Dooku planned their plot to destroy the Jedi. However at the end Dooku was betrayed by his master and learned that betrayal is the Sith way.
Well, he was planning to betray his own master all along. That's why he revealed Darth Sidious existence back at Genosis. And why he has always tried to turn Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Juan Catalan um no sidious already knew about that
He knew the Sith way all along. But he thought at least a Sith - padawan or master - can never be betrayed. Obviously he didn't know about Plaguies.
@@AngyaliPlagueis was the Master not the apprentice though concerning Sidious yeah.
Revenge of the Sith is not only my favorite Star Wars movie but also one of my favorite movies of all time. The novelization, in my opinion, surpasses the movie. And I will leave it at that.
The novelization and video game both excel beyond the movie in some ways; the novel with its great dialogue in scenes like this, the game in that it adds more action and cool things to see, such as Grievous having an actual, lengthy lightsaber duel with Obi-Wan.
I don't even like the movie other than in a so bad its good way and the novel is fire. Stover is a genius.
The movie was amazing
@@DayTripperrr It is! I’m not saying it isn’t! It’s definitely my favorite Star Wars movie, and it’s absolutely one of my favorite movies of all time! I just think that because The book was allowed to be longer, it was allowed to have more material than the movie. And, as is the case with most of the clone wars era, the more material, the better.
@@morsecode980 dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here
palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is
dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
Something tells me that deep down Sidious was annoyed that Dooku cut off Anakin's arm
Not really, as later stated his loss arm was a symbol of his sacrifice during the war
@@justsomeguywhokeepsgetting4885 But It was also a loss of precious midi-chlorians that made Anakin slightly weaker than he could've been. It is also a reason Sidious is disappointed in Vader's failure on Mustafar, because replacing his other three limbs is easy in the SW universe but regaining those midi-chlorians in cybernetic limbs is impossible.
Dooku, for as much of a smug jerk as he is, makes a fair analysis of Anakin. Anakin is reckless and impulsive, which makes him dangerous to both himself and others. In fact, this recklessness and impulsiveness end up destroying himself and almost everyone around him.
Anakin killing sidious proves that dooku was right
Exactly same goes for people like Asajj, Quinlan, and the other Dark Acoylytes including Grievous And Durge while Obi Wan would be the best prospect for a third in command of the empire he has more potential then all of the potential candidates for Dooku And Sidious except for Anakin and he has the best tactics and strategies compared to the others when not piloting, or using machinery that is yeah.
I love this scene so much.
You can sort of sense the undercurrent of just how much Sidious finds Dooku’s aristocratic snobbery and bigotry annoying. It makes sense considering how Palpatine came from a far less wealthier and influential family on Naboo. Nice minor detail on how someone like Palpatine would hold resentment towards Dooku
hdfgd45 That’s certainly a possibility
@Boston Hostetler Like I said, he did, but nowhere near the wealth Dooku’s family had. House Palpatine was a small-time house who’s influence pretty much extended to their own planet of Naboo, while Dooku’s inherited family wealth made him one of the top wealthiest men in the entire galaxy
@Boston Hostetler Yeah I feel that aspect was added by Stover because he isn’t a fan of Dooku, and wanted to make as big of an asshole as possible, what better way than to make him both an elitist and a racist. Dooku is never a racist anywhere else other than the ROTS novel as far as I know.
@Boston Hostetler not much depth to maul
he was a scary red dude with a cool weapon
he gave a cool fight but really did not have much to do in the films after that
dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here
palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is
dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
*"He's too old."*
How ironic.
"Kenobi glitters: as a translucent being he opened a door toward the sunny field of the Force. Skywalker is a stormcloud: dangerous thunderbolts circle around him, intensifying the vortex that may even turn into a tornado. And of course: there's Palpatine - above it all. He shows non of what's hidden inside. Palpatine was an event horizon even through the eyes of the dark side itself. Underneath his common surface there was absolute, perfect nothingness. The black hole of the Force."
“And he played his helpless role perfectly.”
That's a really good personification of Christopher Lee
Interesting that Dooku sees alien beings as lesser than humans, very interesting indeed...
Well Dooku wanted the Empire to be ruled only by humans and wanted aliens as slaves .
Which is odd, because he was a Jedi once. Jedi don't think like that.
@@LeftytheGansterGremlin Dark Side is a helluva drug.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Indeed it is. It clouds perceptions.
Even though dooku’s Jedi master was a alien and sidious’s master was a alien
Palpatine by this stage it seems is fed up of Dooku
dooku was older than palpatine
dooku also defeated mace when he was a jedi
now that hes a sith dooku is more powerful
the heirachy is clear
1st (strongest) - Dooku as a sith
2nd - Dooku as a jedi
3rd - (a tie) between mace windu and palpatine
cause palpatine already let out most of his power on killing the 3 council members so mace beating him was not a fair win
Probably. Might explain why he was so eager to order Anakin to cut off his head, in addition to his usual sadism.
Palpatine is the most cunning and ruthless Sith Lord.
I feel saddened by how sociopathic and racist Dooku is in the novelization. I keep thinking that he was not always like this, and that his mindset was slowly made this way by embracing the Dark Side and its philosophies. Before he seemed a good man who genuinely cared for the Galaxy and its inhabitants. Before becoming Count, he was renowned for skill as a fair diplomat and his political idealism.
Yeah him being racist really confuses me, i’m not sure where he would have gotten the chance to develop such a mentality when raised amongst several alien species.
Remember, the entire Star Wars universe has prejudice in favor of humans compared to other species.
But this was surprising too
Hardly. Dooku was a count, raised amongst the Jedi. Whether he was in the order or in royalty he was a member of a very privileged group of people. Remember, Dooku allied with a bunch of war profiteers on the separatist council.
I like both versions, the gentleman and the snob work for me either way he's a villain after all
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 in the legends timeline the empire favored humans. The signature look of superiority indeed from Count Dooku.
Dooku was right, Anakin was a danger to himself and others without proper discipline and control of his power and in the end, Anakin becoming Darth Vader proves it.
Very interesting to me this conversation. Dooku wanted the Sith Empire after the Clone Wars, but Sidious deceived him and replaced by Anakin Skywalker, later Darth Vader. Dooku's death makes me sad, as he believed that the Jedi and the Republic are corrupt and believed also that his plans would be to make the Galaxy a better place. He didn't realize that betrayal is the way of Sidious until his death.
He knew that. That's what he was planning to do with his separatist allies. But he didn't think he himself would become a sacrifice.
I wish we could have heard Ian McDiarmid say "How fortunate am I to have an apprentice who feels it is appropriate to lecture me."
We should gotten this scene as one of the three arcs in Clone Wars Season 7 to replace the Martinez sisters Arc. Don't get me wrong I like Ahsoka but, seeing more of how Dooku feels about Palpatine's grand plan before the Anakin & Obi wan vs Dooku duel would have made the whole Clone Wars show feel more complete.
Yesss
I think we just need a whole remake of the prequels made by the same people that made the Clone Wars tbh
This
I like how Dooku and Palpatine are in the midst of a Reaper invasion
😅 you picked up on that, huh?
@@lazywizard840Oh yes, I recognize the ambience from the first mission of Mass Effect 3
Dooku being petty asf here 😅
i find it interesting how Dooku finds Anakin’s robotic arm repulsive as if he isn’t the reason he wears it. Like sir this is WAR now! there is no time for him to just immediately switch to his less dominant hand and why not use a metal arm… It’s Star Wars.
It’d be cool if we could see this in season 7 of TCW
Yes please
sadly not :(
Dave Fillioni and company don't respect this novel at all Cody, hell I don't even know if they know it exists but they constantly retconed a bunch of this material and EU I believe more out of ignorance than reason.
@@drewzoobulandes4184 yeah tbh, and I think I remember a little while back dave filoni said he cares more about storytelling than continuity or sum like that
dont bring up that stupid tv series, its for chumps and virgins and losers
"A gentleman would've learned to fight one-handed." Dooku would've been proud of Tenel Ka.
... assuming he's not real specific about "gentleMAN"...
dooku was older than palpatine
dooku also defeated mace when he was a jedi
now that hes a sith dooku is more powerful
the heirachy is clear
1st (strongest) - Dooku as a sith
2nd - Dooku as a jedi
3rd - (a tie) between mace windu and palpatine
cause palpatine already let out most of his power on killing the 3 council members so mace beating him was not a fair win
Sideous could see Anakin's Plot Armor and wanted to weaponize it.
He succeeded.
You put these together with the music very well
Waw, I see it even more now, how much Palpatine belives in Anakin, Palpatine even think’s Anakin’s cybernetic arm is a heroic win since it makes Anakin Stronger, and it looks like Palpatine is disgust how Count Dooku see how you should fight with a lightsaber.
I love this novel
Palpatine:Obi Wan is too indoctrinated in the jedi code
Obi Wan: Breaks the Jedi code by having feelings for Satine, Killing General Grievous, and Killing Darth Maul
Star Wars The Clone Wars Was Written By Fools (Lucas Included) Who Openly Disregarded The Lore Established By The Expanded Universe. If You Don't Believe Me, Just Look Up The Video "Why The Clone Wars Doesn't Fit Within Star Wars Legends" Parts 1 & 2.
@@lastdayonearth8381 the inconsistencies are there for certain, but manda Lore didn’t post those videos to be spiteful against the clone wars creators.
i would not say killing Grevous or maul was breaking the code
jedi are alowed to take a life
its just breaking the code if they try to surrender or if capture is easy
but as both were when he killed them both strong and trying to kill him
he did not break any rules
@@lastdayonearth8381 no one cares about legends now. lets be real legends was so overblown and had the characters so powerful they were basically gods. the vast majority of the legends stories were complete garbage riddled with so much plot armor it puts the sequel trilogy to shame. almost every legends story has some variation of "and then X famous character shows up and saves the day out of nowhere" trope. you have the thrawn novels, darth bane trilogy and the darth plageus novel which are masterful but everything else was pretty dumb. dark empire was still dumb, the yus ong van w/e its spelled was pretty dumb as well, even the darth kideus novel series had a lot of poorly written moments in it to propell the plot in a certain character breaking way.
@@ninvusoogoar6098 Nonsense, Legends Was Never Overblown If Anything It Was Underblown. Before Early 2016 I Didn't Even Know There Was More Star Wars Media Than The 7 Movies At The Time. Let Alone That There Was Now 2 Very Different Star Wars Universes. Never Once Heard About The Events Post Return Of The Jedi Before The Force Awakens. The God Like Powers Of The Characters From Legends Is Without A Doubt One Of My Favorite Things About It, Despite How Obviously Bad Of An Idea It Is Continuity Wise. Majority Of Legends Stories Were Not Garbage, If Anything I Think They Were Better Than The Original 6 Films Story Wise. One Of The Best Things About Legends Is The Off The Wall Stories That Were In It. They Really Are Similar To The Memeness Of The First 3 Films. Space Wizards, Wise Little Green Men, Tyrannical Intergalactic Governments, Laser Swords, Moon Sized Space Craft, Wealthy Huge Slugs, Bigfoot In Space, Cities Floating In The Sky, Basically Nazis With Ray Guns, Politicians That Shoot Lightning Out Their Fingers. You Can't Tell Me Lucas Wasn't On Something When He Thought Up The Ideas For Star Wars. Therefore Star Wars Legend's Wackiness Is A Huge Positive In My Eyes. Dark Empire Was Great In My Opinion, If Sidious Was A Real Life Character With Supernatural Powers Then You Would Expect Him To Return. It Sorta Was Inevitable. Yuuzhan Vong Arch Was Great. Independence Day Style Story In Star Wars Was A Great Idea. Darth Caedus Arch Wasn't Was Good As I Hoped But It Had Its Moments. Love The Parallels Between Jacen's Story And His Grandfather Anakin's.
1:02 Palpatine is Blackpilled about the Jedi Order
Dooku being a racist is a no-no, me no likie that yet the dialogue about Kenobi and Skywalker is perfect. I've always had the head canon that, Cody was always the first clone Sidious orders to assassinate their Jedi General. I think this is definitively the case in both Canon and the old EU but I doubt it.
I love how this book makes it clear. Sidious wants Kenobi gone, asap.
Sidious should of agreed with Dooku about finding a younger apprentice who was less impuslive and smarter then Anakin when it came to laying down plans like then people like Anakin, Quinlan Vos, Asajj Ventress, Sora Bulq, Grievous, And Durge were all too hot headed so in that sense Obi Wan would be a better person to do there dirty work once the empire came along even if Obi lacked the midichlorian count Anakin did he had a higher one then all the other candidates plus was much smarter and more strategic even though he does not have the potential to surpass Dooku Nor Sidious or even equal them if only Obi Wan was not so attached to the Jedi Code then he would of been the best choice yeah.
Because Palpatine wants someone potentially powerful enough to be worthy to overthrow him and be his successor to the rule of his empire
No one in star wars is more powerful than Palpatine except for someone with Skywalker blood Yoda and Mace faced a Palpatine who's not at full potential yet but Palpatine gave them a hard fight
@@acegabrielcruz3687In Legends The Mereks had a equal potential to Sidious and The Solos Within Leias Line also was above Sidious yeah.
So, I thought that I heard (or read) somewhere that Sidius (Palatine) instructed Tyrannis (Dooku) to go easy on Anakin... so is that true (or is that what someone got out of that conversation...)?
yes and no Palpatine did tell him to go easy but in thr book when they start fighting dooku realizes he could actually die and that's why he knocks out obiwan then actually loses to anakin
Sidious didn't really tell Dooku to hold back in a fight, he simply instructed Dooku to not kill Anakin. At first Dooku is in control of the duel and Palpatine even used the force to help him take Obi-Wan out of the fight and see how Anakin would fare alone, and that's when Anakin tapped into the dark side right before disarming Dooku when he realized things were serious and deadly.
A question I have is how was Dooku going to get off Invisible Hand as Anakin’s prisoner, wouldn’t Grevious try to stop Anakin from leaving with Palpatine and Dooku?
Grievous was ordered by the Sith to stay put, until they handle the situation according to plan.
@@Angyali well I guess he had the security cams turned off.
I think Grievous would've tried executing Dooku. In the Son of Dathomir, Grievous says that he would've been disappointed if he had to face against Dooku if the latter had joined Maul before Maul took Dooku to meet Mother Talzin.
@@_MaZTeR_ assuming grievious does value the counts life, Anakin might be able to hold a defeated dooku hostage at saberpoint so that their not too impaired. If he doesn't...thing might get interestingly complicated!
Tell what you want about Sidious, but at least he’s not racist. He hates everyone to the same degree😂
I genuinely dislike how this novel shoe-horned Dooku into being a human supremacist. It doesn't fit with his character, and every portrayal since hasn't shown a hint of that weird detail
It does fit with his character. At this point it has been three years into the Clone Wars and even more since Dooku's turn to the dark side, and human supremacy is widespread in the SW universe - if you look at the treatment of droids, or non-human species they aren't as privileged as humans from Coruscant, Alderaan etc. are.
@@nerdomatic2489he spent his formative years a great majority of his life as a Jedi though. Trained by a very non human like alien. True, Dooku has fallen so far to the darkside that the worst of his traits would become all but enflamed, but it's curious to think where he would've learned to be anti alien or cyborg in the first place. It didn't seem to bother him as a Jedi, and he already had strong convictions so it seems out of left field to start becoming racist in his golden years.
He isnt honored since syfo dyas death he dont care of weak people who destroys your dream of new empire like vader and others
I know it's so stupid, his Jedi master was a non human and two of his dark side apprentices were non human. He leads the Separatists who were primarily non human and was popular amongst them for calling out The Republic's discrimination against the Outer Rim. Also the Sith originated as an alien non human cult and he calls himself one.
Dooku's whole thing is that he had the public persona as a political idealist while being a scheming Sith lord the whole time. A lesser version of Palpatine. Sure he did believe in positive change for the Republic but that was before he fell to the dark side. Its only natural that his fall would lead to his ideals being corrupted and perverted into what he envisons before his death.
Believing that he was just misguided or deceived by Palpatine while still having the best intentions is literally buying into his in universe propaganda and lies
I wonder if this scene is canon ?
No, and who the hell cares? enjoy it
It is canon is you ignore the evil mouse
For the two people here, the novels count as both canon and legends. Same goes with the movies.
@@JujutsuLupin Not according to Disney
@@MrSupertallblackman to be fair George was no better for that
So dooku knew that Palpatine was Sidious?
Yes
Of course He knows his Master
So then why not tell Anakin when he finds out he's been betrayed?
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 Palpatine is a master manipulator so even if Dooku tells Anakin then Palpatine would make another excuse which Anakin will believe
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 shock of just having his hands cut off
why , didn't George Lucas but this dialog in the movie , would have been amazing ......
The novel was written later.
Besides, we all know, that George is a terrific storywriter, but a terrible dialogue-writer.
Also when you're writing a novel you have the ability to stretch out a scene for as long as you want and provide as much detail as you want because there's no time limit unlike in a movie where you have about 2 hours to tell as much information as you can over the course of the entire story
dooku would have easily killed palpatine with a force choke here
palpatine lost to windu and windu isnt half the fighter dooku is
dooku not only beat grievous (who was windu's equal) but he also defeated obi wan 4 times (who mace windu believed was the best swordsmen in the order)
Yeah no, if he was more powerful than Palpy, Dooku would've killed him as soon as he was betrayed. And that whole Windu vs. Palpatine thing is bullshit anyway, not only was it pretty obvious in the movie, but the book explicitly tells us that he threw the fight once he sensed Anakin being nearby. Like, he defeated Yoda and 3 other Jedi masters but couldn't beat Windu? That's bullshit
@@nagger8216 Nice joke.
@@nagger8216 though i think windu beat palpatine ONLY cause the actor did not want his character to be beaten in a bad way
@@nagger8216 i dont like yoda but read the comic of ROTS u can see yoda blocked/deflected the sith lightning of palpatine
in a TCW COMIC (taken place in a incident called battle of tatooine during the clone war) Dooku fought yoda again he electrocuted his ear with LIGHTNING
dooku in son of dathomir survived the lightning blast of palpatine UNLIKE Mace who could not survive that lightning blast in ROTS
dooku was more powerful than palpatine BUT HE WAS UNAWARE of palpatines power so he was tricked into thinking palpatine was tougher OR he actually believed palpatines goal was correct so he decided to follow his orders
@@kagamiuchihathebeast5862 dude dooku wasn’t more powerful