Anakin: *WHAT!?!* Anakin kills Palpatine in his anger over sand. Anakin goes to prison, the Republic comes to peace, and the galaxy is saved due to Anakin's anger over sand.
In fairness to Palpatine, he has accomplished a lot as a Sith Lord through his planning at this point, and has more successes yet to come. I can’t blame the guy for being a little prideful at this point.
@@prestonjones1653 Seriously, though, Palpatine’s pride was his undoing. He thought he had Vader completely under his control and was blindsided when he turned against him.
6:07 "They embrace the whole spectrum of experience from the heights of transcendent joy to the depths of hatred and despair." - Palpatine "Remember why the Sith are more powerful than the Jedi, Sidious . Because we are not afraid to feel . We embrace the spectrum of emotions from the heights of transcendent joy to the depths of hatred and despair." - Darth Plagueis, from the Darth Plagueis Novel Like Master, like apprentice .
The amount of research James Luceno put into Darth Plagueis is incredible. The way the novel ties into the rest of EU is probably unparalleled. It's details like having Sidious essentially pass on some of his Master's teachings on to Anakin that help make the novel one of my top two Star Wars books. And the concept was explored a bit more in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, when Sidious is instructing his apprentice. Unsuprisingly, the book is also by Luceno.
@@WhyTho525 because writing a book and a script for a movie are vastly different things, you also need to write for the visuals. an Arthur can indulge in details and go into extreme depth with their characters where a movie has to be streamlined and stay on point. why a lot of book adaptations are either trash or meh. while some like harry potter are the exception to the rule. im sure you could make the darth plagueis novel into a movie but by doing so you would lose most of its depth, dialogue would have to be cut down and simplified to fit a 2 hour or even 3-hour film. you could split it into a trilogy but the same issue would occur, each movie needs to flow into each other and yet still be a complete film on its own and would still require streamlining of the script. there's also far more money to be won or lost in a movie franchise like star wars than a star wars book that the vast majority of people won't bother reading unless they are big star wars fans.
The whole novel has some moments where the characters feel out of place. Obi-Wan acts like R2-D2 is an emotionless object in the Coruscant space battle section and when Anakin finds out that Padme had talked to Obi-Wan, before she and the Delegation of 2000 met Palpatine, Anakin wanted to kill Padme like a bug, as it was described in the book. The only time Anakin truly wanted to murder Padme was when he thought Padme brought Obi-Wan to Mustafar to kill him and even then was blinded by his rage and regretted it after he became Darth Vader in the suit. In the Rush Clovis arc of S6 of The Clone Wars, Anakin only beat up Rush Clovis because he wanted to protect her at all costs. There's no way he would've thought about hurting her until Mustafar which was when he had already killed a bunch of Jedi and kids.
@@_MaZTeR_ if he was willing to kill a bunch of Jedi and kids, then he'd be in the same mindset to kill his wife if he was enraged enough. Anakin's murderousness is intentionally designed to be erratic, just like the rest of his personality. And Anakin did snap at Padme before Mustafar when they were about to get into a political argument. Anakin is basically bipolar when you get down to it, and I think they wrote that in well.
@@_MaZTeR_ that's kind of the point. This book came out wayy before the clone wars TV show, and ties into the old CWMMP (clone wars multimedia project). This is continuing anakin's character development from THAT era. Not from the show that came out like 4 years later lmao. Yes, at that point Anakin is becoming increasingly unstable and hasn't slept in days. That moment is SUPPOSED to be out of character for him, but also in a way in character. Bc he's always had trouble controlling his rage. Just now it's becoming stronger and stronger. It's a bad idea to read these legends-era novels with any of the cartoons in mind. Other than 2003 clone wars. All of this stuff is essentially based on the 2003 clone wars and the CWMMP, a bunch of books and comics, 2003 clone wars cartoon, and some videogames that came out between episodes 2 and 3 revolving around the clone wars. It's essentially 2 different versions of anakin
Chancellor Palpatine: "The Sith are absolutely natural. Beings have feelings for a reason! Passion drives you to understand world through power. The Sith feel everything on the spectrum from ecstasy to anguish!" Sheevy Boi: "Or... So I understand from my reading 3:-)"
“He taught his apprentice the path towards that power,” Look at how he deviates here. He doesn’t claim to have the power. But instead knowledge that could bring him towards it. Protecting his own ass for future references.
I think this entire scene should have been in the movie. It fleshes out Anakin’s conflict a lot better and helps us better understand why he began to distrust the Jedi Council.
@@DayTripperrr I see what you mean. The scene is pretty long, so maybe the whole thing shouldn’t have been in the movie, but I think there’s some dialogue that could have been used that would have fleshed things out better. For example, “I hear the voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi in your answers, Anakin. What do you think?” would have been an interesting bit of dialogue that Palpatine could have used to manipulate Anakin into thinking that the Council were only trying to use him.
@@DayTripperrr Yeah. There was a lot that George Lucas wanted to include in Episode III, but couldn't. I think it would have made the film more coherent, as it would have given more detail as to how and why the Republic fell.
He is just scary persuasive and conversationally powerful in this, he knows how to lead a conversation exactly how he needs it to especially with someone like Anakin. It's kinda frightening.
7:56 “Did they ever ask you to betray a friendship?” The Jedi accusing Ahsoka of treason springs to mind. I understand this was made WAAAY before that, but it makes sense
I think, in the context of the book, they're referring to Anakin being told to spy on Palpatine, but the Jedi accusing Ahsoka of treason does work as a good example, too.
I love the bit where Palpatine says, “I hear the voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi in your answers, Anakin. What do YOU really think?”, and Anakin replies, “I-I don’t know anymore.” It really highlights why Anakin’s responses to Palpatine’s questions about Jedi and Sith philosophy sound robotic in their conversation. The Jedi have tried to indoctrinate Anakin into their belief system, but, in truth, Anakin is very conflicted about how moral the Jedi really are. In this scene, he tries to hide it by regurgitating the Jedi’s beliefs, but Palpatine can see that Anakin is conflicted and is afraid to express what he really feels about the Jedi. This is what makes it easy for him to convince Anakin that the Sith aren’t so bad in this scene.
Indoctrinate? Last I checked, the things Sidious asks if the Council asked him to do anything bad, Sidious asks him to do far worse. Remember, palpatine stayed in office long after his term expired, Palpatine was behind the Clone wars and deaths of countless beings, Palpatine dissolved the senate, Palpatine rewrote their constitution to give himself more power. The things he accuses the Jedi of doing, he himself is doing.
The confusion is because Palpatine has been gaslighting Anakin for years. That is manipulation with intention of creating doubt and confusion. Reality is that the difference of the Sith and the Jedi is not about power. The difference is the use of power. And their different view on the aims of the use of power. The Sith can never control things in the way they think for the long run. Their actions always creates chaos and destruction. That is they create a illusion of order. But in reality they create conflict. The Sith follows the teachings of Friedrich Nietzsche, that is that life`s main goal is power. The Jedi on the other hand follows the teachings of the Stoics. Their main ideology is the " Locus of control" and " external locus of control" . That is to see the difference of what we can control and what we can`t. The Sith try to control the future ( what we can`t control ), and life and death ( also what we can`t control ). Even the story of Plaguise say the fact, that is that he could not stop his own death. And by that logic, he never had control over death. Only influence. The sith are always desperat for more power and control. The Jedi are always calm, and get their power from going with the flow of the force. Not controlling it. Palpatine is a liar. And a abuser. And simply brainwash Anakin into thinking he will get unlimited power. But reality is that a life as as Sith is a life in fear. In the fear of beeing murdered by your apprentice ( fear of the dark lord), or to be replaced by another stronger apprentice ( fear of the apprentice ). That is the Sith are always afraid of not losing their power, but also their life.
@@LordVader1094not exactly, I mean Anakin was already too old. Maybe if his Jedi Teacher/Master were Qui-Gon or maybe even Ki-Adi, they could form a great Jedi Knight, and his probability to fall into the Darkness would be almost 0. Unlike the other Members of the Jedi Order.
This is why Sidious always wins. He knows how to play on one's insecurities, desires, wants, fears and needs in order to get them to do whatever he wants. That's what makes him so powerful.
I always wondered if those 3 are really sad about having to leave. Like, it's actually a really good play. "Oh boy, Oh boy a night out at the Opera! This will be great!" "Leave us." :_ (
@Star Wars Opinion I don't think they incorporated Sate Pestage into the films at any point. He was supposedly going to be in The Empire Strikes Back, but that must have been cut, if it was so.
I feel the dialogue of the novels would've gotten Ian McDermott a nomination of sorts cause it's chilling and disturbing how much of a manipulator and pure evilness Palaptine is.
"We aren't arguing, we're just talking." Classic gaslighting. Anakin is trying to release himself from the conversation in a polite manner, and Palpatine is absolutely arguing that the Sith and Jedi are extremely similar.
Yes, I prefer how he talks about Plagueis in the novelization as a Sith legend that he's read about rather than sounding in the film like he knew Plagueis in real life. The philosophical discussion in the book helps explain Anakin's turn better too.
Boy, this seemingly innocuous supreme chancellor sure does know a lot of obscure details about the sith. It's hilarious how this conversation isn't raising any red flags with Anakin.
It's like being in a casual conversation with somebody and they're suddenly talking about how they're reading Mein Kampf. It might just make you raise an eyebrow and go "What did you just say? About Mein Kampf?"
Well... Palpatine has a lot of sith artefacts and is known even by the jedi to be obssesed about it. As far as the jedi know, palpatine is an equivalent to a rich white guy buying an african music instrument from the era of slaves(pieces of unimportant junk he doesn't know what it is for). Not to mention that being a sith is not against the law, they would only bring him infront of the senate or some council for murder and treason which they can't prove.
Imagine you're a friend of a politician, or a businessman or some other influential person. Then, they start talking about the differences between Christianity and Satanism. The politician argues that both religions are equally guilty, and you agree due to your knowledge of the things that both have done. Then, the politician argues that the more liberal of the two philosophies offers a greater opportunity for self-expression, and before you can counter this, he tells a story of a person who adhered to Satanism and obtained great enough wealth and success to prevent his loved ones from dying, when you yourself are worried about a loved one. That's Anakin's perspective, essentially.
Palpatine: A grain of sand Anakin:Puts out lightsaber Anakin: what did you say Palpatine:never mind hey by the way did you hear the tragedy of darth plaguies the wise
I've thought about doing this myself, but via pausing and showing subtitles like the old silent films. It's just the editing required is outside my skillset
I love how even despite his clear dislike of him, Palpatine still has enough respect for Plagueis to refer to him not as “The Dark Lord” or “An old Sith,” but instead, as “Darth Plagueis the Wise.” He may not have liked him, but he was _still_ his master, the man who taught him everything he knew. A part of him, I think, might have even seen Plagueis as his father, and loved him accordingly. _A small part,_ mind you, but a part none the less.
It’s terrifying how much more believable and convincing Darth Sidious’ mask as the kind and good natured Palpatine is in the novel, thanks to the added dialogue. It’s like an utterly evil version of Albus Dumbledore. Just as smart and just as good at guiding a young mind towards greater understanding, only he deliberately misuses these qualities of his, and the result is the young mind in question being horribly corrupted. P.S. 10:16 I like to believe he is reacting honestly here. He has just made up this “tragedy” based on his life story, and it genuinely hadn’t occurred to him that, from his pov, it’s actually not a tragedy at all😂
The council nicely rejected him and Obi Wan apparently didn’t understand a thing about his internal conflicts. So yeah Palpatine was basically taking candy from a baby with this one sadly.
Anakin thinks of Palpatine as a father figure, obviously because he never had a father. So no, you don’t sound mad, him trying to impress Palpatine is a nice attribute of their relationship.
@@apuapustija4470 Come now, why the insults? I love the prequels, and Revenge of the Sith is my favorite Star Wars film of them all, but let's be realistic, this extended scene is very long and incredibly static. All the film crew could really do in terms of visuals is shot-reverse-shot, with maybe some shots of the opera or the crowd to break it up. From a filmmaking standpoint, shortening the scene made perfect sense.
I have the feeling it's because of two things. First, Palpatine had his mask up constantly, preventing his "dark side bits" from showing. Second, Sidious was fully committed to the long game. Anakin's fall and that of the Republic had to coincide perfectly, or the whole plan would fall apart. So naturally, he had to take longer with Anakin than strictly necessary, both to let Anakin's power grow to the point where he'd be a significant match for the Jedi, and so the Republic would be ready to fall with them.
It was certainly a lot of work, so we'll have to see. I do recommend checking out this channel (Lazy Wizard) which does something similar: th-cam.com/channels/THlALA5wYbeaoIxLbkLZJw.htmlvideos
Darth Sidious is correct about his philosophical view but he directs his desire for power in a way that destroys everything to obtain it friendships love unity peace. Passion is good but it needs self control.
It was just a bait tactic to have him turn to the darkside...Then it wouldn't matter if he knew the truth...He would already be consumed by his passion and lust for power as shown in the movie...
@@wilberdebeer4696 or he would say "what are names, anakin, if they are nothing more than a shallow and transient construct, we humans attach the illusion of meaning to, no more than dead leaf floating in the wind? Does a slave name determine the limits of a young boy aspiring to become the most powerful warrior in the universe one day, or will he who carries that name transcend, just as his name will transcend ....?"
This shows how powerful feelings are for force sensitives...He has such a lust for power and intense fear for Padme, he does not even realize the red flags here...That or he does not care...Ha....
A very interesting foray into just how deep Sidious' manipulations of Anakin were. Side note, the two blue figures standing next to the doorway that Anakin enters are George Lucas and his youngest daughter.
I like how in both the movie and the novelization, Anakin dosent stop and think "How come this politican who isent even supposedly force sensative can know so much about it, and about the sith more than even the jedi?"
Maybe they were running low on masters? From the novel's point of view, Obi-Wan was the perfect guy for the job. Mace and Yoda believed he was because he was the master of soresu. Plus he fought Grievous before, so he has some experience with the general.
The movies and the Clone Wars do a horrible Job of actually telling how the war was going...The CIS had more troops and was straining Republic forces thin...The council would have sent Anakin along with Obi-Wan but he had his mission to leak intel from Palpatine since they already had leaks connecting him to Sidious...
Darth plagueis the wise was (probably) the cause of anakin's birth. Mostly because Palpatine mentioned that plagueis had the ability to create life and prevent death.
Plagues experimented in the force in a way that no other sith or jedi before did. The force created anakin as a means of destroying plagues. So plagues did indirectly caused anakins conception.... From a certain point of view. Sauce: darth plagues novel.
"and because the two are one" "My mother was the daughter of Vader. Your father was the son of the Emperor. What Palpatine doesn’t know is we’re a dyad in the Force, Rey. Two that are one."
@@StarWarsOpinion I always kinda figured Lucas put this stage performance and made it look like a sperm and an egg to show the "creation of life" that Palpy mentions to Anakin, implying that Anakin may have been created by Plagueis (and the Force) in some fashion.
i love th comment of palpatine that sith feel no fear. That is a blatent lie becuase for every single sith lord behind all the malice all the rage all the pontificating of power lies one thing. ture bottolmess fear and that is what drives every sith and also what drives vader ture bottomless fear. For those who have read darl empire at the end pf his life the jedi said that he sense ture bottomles fear from sidious himself
a amount of red flags akjdahjsgd. it's really "funny" when people use the argument: "this people are evil, but maybe they have a point", and others actually LISTEN.
The two points made in the extended discussion that should be added to the movie version: 1) The Chancellor's suspicion that the Jedi plan to replace the Senate leadership with individuals that they can have more 'influence' with. 2) The Chancellor's point that the Sith embrace the entire spectrum of the Force and accept their passions rather than rejecting them. This means accepting love and hate in themselves and their reflections in the Force. Although this removes their dispassion it gives them insight into the hearts of others that the Jedi lack. (although the Sith don't use it much this can include empathy)
Even when I was little, I gravitated toward the Sith on the pure fact that they understood emotions were not something to suppress But now that I'm an adult, I understand how easy that unchecked emotions can end horribly
@@ChellyBean absolutely, you have to control them rather than cutting yourself off from them though and too many of the Jedi seem to be distant and detached from those whom they help.
"If one could comprehend a grain of sand."
[Anakin triggered]
_"It was at that moment palpatine knew, he fucked up"_ 🤣🤣
@@rejvaik00 th-cam.com/video/iQOWfq2dz3E/w-d-xo.html
dammit beat me to it by 2 years lol
Anakin: *WHAT!?!*
Anakin kills Palpatine in his anger over sand. Anakin goes to prison, the Republic comes to peace, and the galaxy is saved due to Anakin's anger over sand.
😂
"The Apprentice? Well, he goes on to become the greatest Dark Lord the Sith have ever known."
And humble too.
In fairness to Palpatine, he has accomplished a lot as a Sith Lord through his planning at this point, and has more successes yet to come. I can’t blame the guy for being a little prideful at this point.
@@speedracer2008
You know what?
Fair enough.
@@prestonjones1653 Seriously, though, Palpatine’s pride was his undoing. He thought he had Vader completely under his control and was blindsided when he turned against him.
Insert the meme where Obama hands a medal to himself
In Palpatine's mind, he's saying "of course, that was me as an apprentice. You, on the other hand..."
"A Jedi gains power through understanding and a Sith gains understanding through power." Damn that's a good line.
Jedi plan to rule the galaxy by fiat. Sith drive in a Fiat to their enemies, kill them, then drive in the Fiat back.
@@u.v.s.5583 doesn’t fit so well in the movie. 😂
6:07
"They embrace the whole spectrum of experience from the heights of transcendent joy to the depths of hatred and despair." - Palpatine
"Remember why the Sith are more powerful than the Jedi, Sidious . Because we are not afraid to feel . We embrace the spectrum of emotions from the heights of transcendent joy to the depths of hatred and despair." - Darth Plagueis, from the Darth Plagueis Novel
Like Master, like apprentice .
The amount of research James Luceno put into Darth Plagueis is incredible. The way the novel ties into the rest of EU is probably unparalleled. It's details like having Sidious essentially pass on some of his Master's teachings on to Anakin that help make the novel one of my top two Star Wars books. And the concept was explored a bit more in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, when Sidious is instructing his apprentice. Unsuprisingly, the book is also by Luceno.
@@StarWarsOpinion This makes me have one question : Why the hell they haven't hired James Luceno to write the Films ?
@@WhyTho525 because writing a book and a script for a movie are vastly different things, you also need to write for the visuals. an Arthur can indulge in details and go into extreme depth with their characters where a movie has to be streamlined and stay on point. why a lot of book adaptations are either trash or meh. while some like harry potter are the exception to the rule. im sure you could make the darth plagueis novel into a movie but by doing so you would lose most of its depth, dialogue would have to be cut down and simplified to fit a 2 hour or even 3-hour film. you could split it into a trilogy but the same issue would occur, each movie needs to flow into each other and yet still be a complete film on its own and would still require streamlining of the script. there's also far more money to be won or lost in a movie franchise like star wars than a star wars book that the vast majority of people won't bother reading unless they are big star wars fans.
@@ninvusoogoar6098 True
@@StarWarsOpinion Seriously, it's maddening that these aren't the same guys writing the movies
"From my reading." is Palpatine's equivalent of adding "In minecraft" to the end of a potentially dangerous Google search
He's a constant FED poster.
How to do diamond duplication glitch, in real life
I love how Palpatine is a bit more blunt when speaking with Anakin. “I don’t trust the council, that is why I put you on it”
It all ties in well with several scenes and moments from the Clone Wars where the Jedi Council doesn't trust Anakin.
They're able to get away with more in words than on film.
The whole novel has some moments where the characters feel out of place. Obi-Wan acts like R2-D2 is an emotionless object in the Coruscant space battle section and when Anakin finds out that Padme had talked to Obi-Wan, before she and the Delegation of 2000 met Palpatine, Anakin wanted to kill Padme like a bug, as it was described in the book.
The only time Anakin truly wanted to murder Padme was when he thought Padme brought Obi-Wan to Mustafar to kill him and even then was blinded by his rage and regretted it after he became Darth Vader in the suit.
In the Rush Clovis arc of S6 of The Clone Wars, Anakin only beat up Rush Clovis because he wanted to protect her at all costs. There's no way he would've thought about hurting her until Mustafar which was when he had already killed a bunch of Jedi and kids.
@@_MaZTeR_ if he was willing to kill a bunch of Jedi and kids, then he'd be in the same mindset to kill his wife if he was enraged enough. Anakin's murderousness is intentionally designed to be erratic, just like the rest of his personality. And Anakin did snap at Padme before Mustafar when they were about to get into a political argument. Anakin is basically bipolar when you get down to it, and I think they wrote that in well.
@@_MaZTeR_ that's kind of the point. This book came out wayy before the clone wars TV show, and ties into the old CWMMP (clone wars multimedia project). This is continuing anakin's character development from THAT era. Not from the show that came out like 4 years later lmao.
Yes, at that point Anakin is becoming increasingly unstable and hasn't slept in days. That moment is SUPPOSED to be out of character for him, but also in a way in character. Bc he's always had trouble controlling his rage. Just now it's becoming stronger and stronger.
It's a bad idea to read these legends-era novels with any of the cartoons in mind. Other than 2003 clone wars. All of this stuff is essentially based on the 2003 clone wars and the CWMMP, a bunch of books and comics, 2003 clone wars cartoon, and some videogames that came out between episodes 2 and 3 revolving around the clone wars.
It's essentially 2 different versions of anakin
“Would a true friend ask you to do something that’s wrong?” Anakin probably should’ve thought about that when he killed those younglings.
Nah!
Those were brainwashed. Indoctrinated.
Apparently his concept of wrong goes out the door whenever his access to pussy is threatened.
Chancellor Palpatine: "The Sith are absolutely natural. Beings have feelings for a reason! Passion drives you to understand world through power. The Sith feel everything on the spectrum from ecstasy to anguish!"
Sheevy Boi: "Or... So I understand from my reading 3:-)"
“He taught his apprentice the path towards that power,” Look at how he deviates here. He doesn’t claim to have the power. But instead knowledge that could bring him towards it. Protecting his own ass for future references.
I think this entire scene should have been in the movie. It fleshes out Anakin’s conflict a lot better and helps us better understand why he began to distrust the Jedi Council.
The movie did perfectly the book just over explained it
@@DayTripperrr I see what you mean. The scene is pretty long, so maybe the whole thing shouldn’t have been in the movie, but I think there’s some dialogue that could have been used that would have fleshed things out better. For example, “I hear the voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi in your answers, Anakin. What do you think?” would have been an interesting bit of dialogue that Palpatine could have used to manipulate Anakin into thinking that the Council were only trying to use him.
@@speedracer2008 I see your point also there was a 4 hour cut of Revenge of the Sith so who knows what will happen it would be cool to see it
@@DayTripperrr Yeah. There was a lot that George Lucas wanted to include in Episode III, but couldn't. I think it would have made the film more coherent, as it would have given more detail as to how and why the Republic fell.
Also makes things clearer especially "early teachings"
He is just scary persuasive and conversationally powerful in this, he knows how to lead a conversation exactly how he needs it to especially with someone like Anakin. It's kinda frightening.
I'd buy it, if I was a kid in a Buddhist temple hearing from an old politician.
7:56 “Did they ever ask you to betray a friendship?”
The Jedi accusing Ahsoka of treason springs to mind. I understand this was made WAAAY before that, but it makes sense
I think, in the context of the book, they're referring to Anakin being told to spy on Palpatine, but the Jedi accusing Ahsoka of treason does work as a good example, too.
TCW sucks
@@apuapustija4470 You must be fun at parties
@@morsecode980 The life of them and the death of them when I leave, you've never been to a party because nobody likes you. greaseball
@@apuapustija4470 With all that angst, who wouldn't love you?
I love the bit where Palpatine says, “I hear the voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi in your answers, Anakin. What do YOU really think?”, and Anakin replies, “I-I don’t know anymore.” It really highlights why Anakin’s responses to Palpatine’s questions about Jedi and Sith philosophy sound robotic in their conversation. The Jedi have tried to indoctrinate Anakin into their belief system, but, in truth, Anakin is very conflicted about how moral the Jedi really are. In this scene, he tries to hide it by regurgitating the Jedi’s beliefs, but Palpatine can see that Anakin is conflicted and is afraid to express what he really feels about the Jedi. This is what makes it easy for him to convince Anakin that the Sith aren’t so bad in this scene.
Indoctrinate? Last I checked, the things Sidious asks if the Council asked him to do anything bad, Sidious asks him to do far worse. Remember, palpatine stayed in office long after his term expired, Palpatine was behind the Clone wars and deaths of countless beings, Palpatine dissolved the senate, Palpatine rewrote their constitution to give himself more power. The things he accuses the Jedi of doing, he himself is doing.
Anakin is only conflicted because Palpatine has purposefully been feeding him lies and half truths to make him feel inadequate for the past 10 years.
The confusion is because Palpatine has been gaslighting Anakin for years. That is manipulation with intention of creating doubt and confusion.
Reality is that the difference of the Sith and the Jedi is not about power. The difference is the use of power. And their different view on the aims of the use of power. The Sith can never control things in the way they think for the long run. Their actions always creates chaos and destruction. That is they create a illusion of order. But in reality they create conflict. The Sith follows the teachings of Friedrich Nietzsche, that is that life`s main goal is power. The Jedi on the other hand follows the teachings of the Stoics. Their main ideology is the " Locus of control" and " external locus of control" . That is to see the difference of what we can control and what we can`t. The Sith try to control the future ( what we can`t control ), and life and death ( also what we can`t control ). Even the story of Plaguise say the fact, that is that he could not stop his own death. And by that logic, he never had control over death. Only influence.
The sith are always desperat for more power and control. The Jedi are always calm, and get their power from going with the flow of the force. Not controlling it.
Palpatine is a liar. And a abuser. And simply brainwash Anakin into thinking he will get unlimited power. But reality is that a life as as Sith is a life in fear. In the fear of beeing murdered by your apprentice ( fear of the dark lord), or to be replaced by another stronger apprentice ( fear of the apprentice ). That is the Sith are always afraid of not losing their power, but also their life.
@@LordVader1094not exactly, I mean Anakin was already too old. Maybe if his Jedi Teacher/Master were Qui-Gon or maybe even Ki-Adi, they could form a great Jedi Knight, and his probability to fall into the Darkness would be almost 0. Unlike the other Members of the Jedi Order.
This is why Sidious always wins. He knows how to play on one's insecurities, desires, wants, fears and needs in order to get them to do whatever he wants. That's what makes him so powerful.
I always wondered if those 3 are really sad about having to leave. Like, it's actually a really good play.
"Oh boy, Oh boy a night out at the Opera! This will be great!"
"Leave us."
:_ (
:) It's possible that they had VIP passes and could get a seat elsewhere. Kinda interesting that Sate Pestage wasn't there.
@Star Wars Opinion I don't think they incorporated Sate Pestage into the films at any point. He was supposedly going to be in The Empire Strikes Back, but that must have been cut, if it was so.
I feel the dialogue of the novels would've gotten Ian McDermott a nomination of sorts cause it's chilling and disturbing how much of a manipulator and pure evilness Palaptine is.
Man this Opera scene in Rots gives me chills everytime i watch it, and the novelization makes it 1000x better
"We aren't arguing, we're just talking." Classic gaslighting. Anakin is trying to release himself from the conversation in a polite manner, and Palpatine is absolutely arguing that the Sith and Jedi are extremely similar.
This one gives much more information and palpetine talks about darth plagues much more careful way
Yes, I prefer how he talks about Plagueis in the novelization as a Sith legend that he's read about rather than sounding in the film like he knew Plagueis in real life. The philosophical discussion in the book helps explain Anakin's turn better too.
Holy crap, this would actually make Anakin's betrayal more sense.
"What happened to Darth Plagueisis apprentice?"
"I don't know, but he sounds like a great guy"
This is really great. I didn't know the RotS novelisation was this good
You have no idea what you're missing out on
Boy, this seemingly innocuous supreme chancellor sure does know a lot of obscure details about the sith. It's hilarious how this conversation isn't raising any red flags with Anakin.
"From my reading" lmao
It's like being in a casual conversation with somebody and they're suddenly talking about how they're reading Mein Kampf. It might just make you raise an eyebrow and go "What did you just say? About Mein Kampf?"
denial is a powerful force.
Well... Palpatine has a lot of sith artefacts and is known even by the jedi to be obssesed about it. As far as the jedi know, palpatine is an equivalent to a rich white guy buying an african music instrument from the era of slaves(pieces of unimportant junk he doesn't know what it is for). Not to mention that being a sith is not against the law, they would only bring him infront of the senate or some council for murder and treason which they can't prove.
Imagine you're a friend of a politician, or a businessman or some other influential person. Then, they start talking about the differences between Christianity and Satanism. The politician argues that both religions are equally guilty, and you agree due to your knowledge of the things that both have done. Then, the politician argues that the more liberal of the two philosophies offers a greater opportunity for self-expression, and before you can counter this, he tells a story of a person who adhered to Satanism and obtained great enough wealth and success to prevent his loved ones from dying, when you yourself are worried about a loved one.
That's Anakin's perspective, essentially.
Palpatine: A grain of sand
Anakin:Puts out lightsaber
Anakin: what did you say
Palpatine:never mind hey by the way did you hear the tragedy of darth plaguies the wise
th-cam.com/video/iQOWfq2dz3E/w-d-xo.html
I've thought about doing this myself, but via pausing and showing subtitles like the old silent films. It's just the editing required is outside my skillset
That's a great idea!
@@StarWarsOpinion you can use the idea if you want lol
@@corruptangel6793 Thanks! I may just do that.
@@StarWarsOpinion I'll sub and keep an eye out for it😁
We are much closer to Anakin than we think.
This should have been in the film…word by word.
4:22 Palpatine redpilling Anakin about the Sith
Us redpillers, real redpillers, know were more akin to the sith than any other group in Star wars
I love how even despite his clear dislike of him, Palpatine still has enough respect for Plagueis to refer to him not as “The Dark Lord” or “An old Sith,” but instead, as “Darth Plagueis the Wise.” He may not have liked him, but he was _still_ his master, the man who taught him everything he knew. A part of him, I think, might have even seen Plagueis as his father, and loved him accordingly.
_A small part,_ mind you, but a part none the less.
”Teacher, yes, and for that I will be eternally grateful. But Master- never.”
It’s terrifying how much more believable and convincing Darth Sidious’ mask as the kind and good natured Palpatine is in the novel, thanks to the added dialogue. It’s like an utterly evil version of Albus Dumbledore. Just as smart and just as good at guiding a young mind towards greater understanding, only he deliberately misuses these qualities of his, and the result is the young mind in question being horribly corrupted.
P.S. 10:16 I like to believe he is reacting honestly here. He has just made up this “tragedy” based on his life story, and it genuinely hadn’t occurred to him that, from his pov, it’s actually not a tragedy at all😂
I loved this representation of the film I know it’s going to sound mad but it’s almost like Anakin tries to impress Palpatine
The council nicely rejected him and Obi Wan apparently didn’t understand a thing about his internal conflicts. So yeah Palpatine was basically taking candy from a baby with this one sadly.
Anakin thinks of Palpatine as a father figure, obviously because he never had a father. So no, you don’t sound mad, him trying to impress Palpatine is a nice attribute of their relationship.
7:52 Uhm. Last I checked you telling Anakin to kill Count Dooku wasn't the Jedi way, Palps!
I think a great video to make would be Darth Plagueis Reading the stuff he wrote in the book of sith.
He goes deep into this
One of the best scenes in all of the starwars movies
Wish this was all in the movie, my favorite scene...
Most of it was
The important parts were, but let's be honest, a scene this long and this slow would screw the pacing of the film completely.
@@ArkenTheAmerikan It's not slow, but you are
@@apuapustija4470 Come now, why the insults? I love the prequels, and Revenge of the Sith is my favorite Star Wars film of them all, but let's be realistic, this extended scene is very long and incredibly static. All the film crew could really do in terms of visuals is shot-reverse-shot, with maybe some shots of the opera or the crowd to break it up. From a filmmaking standpoint, shortening the scene made perfect sense.
@@ArkenTheAmerikan That apu guy hasn’t been friendly with anyone in this comment section, including me. Idk what his problem is
its actually impressive how he spent so much time with palpatine and was still resisting the dark side
I have the feeling it's because of two things. First, Palpatine had his mask up constantly, preventing his "dark side bits" from showing. Second, Sidious was fully committed to the long game. Anakin's fall and that of the Republic had to coincide perfectly, or the whole plan would fall apart. So naturally, he had to take longer with Anakin than strictly necessary, both to let Anakin's power grow to the point where he'd be a significant match for the Jedi, and so the Republic would be ready to fall with them.
This scene is perfect
@10:04 palps be like: "not to tute my own horn
You gotta do more of these novel redubs man, this is very interesting!
It was certainly a lot of work, so we'll have to see. I do recommend checking out this channel (Lazy Wizard) which does something similar: th-cam.com/channels/THlALA5wYbeaoIxLbkLZJw.htmlvideos
Interesting thumbnail, never knew Plaguis loved to go to see England play Football!
Did you ever hear the 10 minute preface to the verbose Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the eloquent?
I love how it helps the segue into the Tragedy. In the movie it feels so out of left field and abrupt.
Darth Sidious is correct about his philosophical view but he directs his desire for power in a way that destroys everything to obtain it friendships love unity peace. Passion is good but it needs self control.
It was just a bait tactic to have him turn to the darkside...Then it wouldn't matter if he knew the truth...He would already be consumed by his passion and lust for power as shown in the movie...
So this is what it would be like if it was a book.
Like in Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter.
I've been asking work to attend meetings via holoconference but nope. I have to show up.
Awesome job! You guys gained a new subscriber in me! Thank you for this!
it would be interesting to see Hayden Christensen play a younger Senator Palpatine
What if anakin asked the name of the apprentice...
@hdfgd45 "you're the sith lord!"
*ignites saber
He would have said the name was lost to the ravages of time.
@@wilberdebeer4696 or he would say "what are names, anakin, if they are nothing more than a shallow and transient construct, we humans attach the illusion of meaning to, no more than dead leaf floating in the wind? Does a slave name determine the limits of a young boy aspiring to become the most powerful warrior in the universe one day, or will he who carries that name transcend, just as his name will transcend ....?"
Actually later Palpatine did confirm that he was Plagueis's apprentice.
".......vader"
wow tripple wow - so much more context
My god.. One of the best fan based dialogues ever😊😊😊 great job👍👍👍👍
"From my reading" Lol
"is it possible to impregnate a girl if I ejaculate into her mouth and stab her stomach? Asking for a friend" type of situation.
@Tub 😂
I must say palpatine comes across as so much more manipulative here! Great work!
This was better than the movie and a damn good convincing argument from darth sidious
This shows how powerful feelings are for force sensitives...He has such a lust for power and intense fear for Padme, he does not even realize the red flags here...That or he does not care...Ha....
Plus apparently Anakin is very very sleep deprived at this point. Due to all the stress he's under and desperate to find a way to save padme.
A very interesting foray into just how deep Sidious' manipulations of Anakin were. Side note, the two blue figures standing next to the doorway that Anakin enters are George Lucas and his youngest daughter.
great job man, kind of makes me want to read the novel!
Dew it!
@@StarWarsOpinion hahaha
I should know better arguing with a politician
Ah man this gives such a good foundation for why Anakin was deceived
Palpatine is the sickest character 🎉🎉
Hot take, this scene in the movie is great, but its way more spine chilling and memoriable in the novel.
Hmmm. I wonder if this guy who knows everything about the Sith is a Sith.
Excellent video I think the book was great
How does clone Intelligence work, if they're all the same guy.
1 year later: why does this not have more views?!
I like how in both the movie and the novelization, Anakin dosent stop and think "How come this politican who isent even supposedly force sensative can know so much about it, and about the sith more than even the jedi?"
He did not care...all he cared about was the power...He was consumed with his lust for power to save Padme...
This is acceptable, this is fair
This is soo good
Why sound quality at the end become worse?
There was conflicting music from the audiobook that I couldn't completely cancel out.
Why would the Jedi only send 1 Jedi after Grevious? I know for the sake of the plot and all that but still it doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe they were running low on masters? From the novel's point of view, Obi-Wan was the perfect guy for the job. Mace and Yoda believed he was because he was the master of soresu. Plus he fought Grievous before, so he has some experience with the general.
The movies and the Clone Wars do a horrible Job of actually telling how the war was going...The CIS had more troops and was straining Republic forces thin...The council would have sent Anakin along with Obi-Wan but he had his mission to leak intel from Palpatine since they already had leaks connecting him to Sidious...
The greatest mass murderer the Galaxy has ever known talking about dishonesty? Ha!
dang, that was really good
Thanks!
Revenge of the Sith if it was KOTOR 2
Searched for gold found diamond
SOMEBODY PLS SEND ME A LINK TO THIS BOOK FOR FREE
Man, u gotta do this for the whole movie hahaha
So can sidious can create life?
A good question, it is, one which Episode 9 may answer.
@@StarWarsOpinion @Snoke
@Lionard Kirsch Well, it's entirely possible that Rey has her grandfather's spirit in her now, making her a Sith Lady.
With his d***k.
Well in dark empire he has a slurry of dark side aberrations within his army if that counts.
Can you try this with the delete scene of Yoda, Mace Windu, and Obi-Wan’s meeting.
I'll think about it...
Very very deep I like it and true
'Jedi-Coupt''
what's he talking about sith have no fear everybody fears something
he's also talking about the Jedi plotting to conquer the Republic for generations
lies
Clearly... not from Jenna.
Darth plagueis the wise was (probably) the cause of anakin's birth.
Mostly because Palpatine mentioned that plagueis had the ability to create life and prevent death.
Plagues experimented in the force in a way that no other sith or jedi before did. The force created anakin as a means of destroying plagues. So plagues did indirectly caused anakins conception.... From a certain point of view. Sauce: darth plagues novel.
Jedi ignore politics, Sith abolish politics. Palpatine doesn´t fit, he
pretends to belong to sth. his own immortality doesn´t kneel before.
"[Sidious], you must see every living thing as nothing more than a tool to elevate you, to move you to your destined place."
What do you mean
TMW you transcend nerdness, and look back at starwars with the occult knowledge and understanding
There are many similarities between this an our world, whether its the occult or common knowledge
The speed of the conversation seems like 1.3 times original or so?
As compared to the audio book or the film?
This is actually disturbing. Because ıf the reader has no idea about who Palpatine is,they might actually beleive him.
"and because the two are one"
"My mother was the daughter of Vader. Your father was the son of the Emperor. What Palpatine doesn’t know is we’re a dyad in the Force, Rey. Two that are one."
*Your Father was a failed clone of the Emperor.
It’s a sin that you even quote that sequel Bullshit on a darth plagueis video
what is in the sphere ? they are watching ? anyone please
It's a sphere of water serving as the stage for the performance of a Mon Calamari ballet called Squid Lake.
@@StarWarsOpinion I always kinda figured Lucas put this stage performance and made it look like a sperm and an egg to show the "creation of life" that Palpy mentions to Anakin, implying that Anakin may have been created by Plagueis (and the Force) in some fashion.
i love th comment of palpatine that sith feel no fear. That is a blatent lie becuase for every single sith lord behind all the malice all the rage all the pontificating of power lies one thing. ture bottolmess fear and that is what drives every sith and also what drives vader ture bottomless fear. For those who have read darl empire at the end pf his life the jedi said that he sense ture bottomles fear from sidious himself
Dooku said something similar to Ventress on Rattatak.
Luke skywalker grandfather lives king plagues behide everything not palpatine lord Vader father coming
a amount of red flags akjdahjsgd. it's really "funny" when people use the argument: "this people are evil, but maybe they have a point", and others actually LISTEN.
Couldn't even make it half way through. Don't do this ever again, it's not even a little entertaining or cute 🤦
Quit protecting yourself onto others, go touch some grass, and maybe even get some bitches
The two points made in the extended discussion that should be added to the movie version:
1) The Chancellor's suspicion that the Jedi plan to replace the Senate leadership with individuals that they can have more 'influence' with.
2) The Chancellor's point that the Sith embrace the entire spectrum of the Force and accept their passions rather than rejecting them. This means accepting love and hate in themselves and their reflections in the Force. Although this removes their dispassion it gives them insight into the hearts of others that the Jedi lack. (although the Sith don't use it much this can include empathy)
Even when I was little, I gravitated toward the Sith on the pure fact that they understood emotions were not something to suppress
But now that I'm an adult, I understand how easy that unchecked emotions can end horribly
@@ChellyBean absolutely, you have to control them rather than cutting yourself off from them though and too many of the Jedi seem to be distant and detached from those whom they help.