Two findings from a very long evening adjusting a choir take: - You absolutely should activate the spectral peaks. It is so much easier to adjust visually. You can discern "ts" and "m" sounds that should be placed before and not on the beat, you can fix different timing for vowel adjustments, etc. - Especially if the tracks you are adjusting are from different sources, the "dynamic split" automation often does not exactly set the right amount of transient at convenient places. Thus you might find yourself constantly both (a) adding new stretch markers, which means you have to ungroup the items to not add them in all items AND (b) manually delete a lot of stretch markers you do not want to use. Instead, use the dynamic split menu to add "transient guides" (and of course Kenny Goia has a great video on those as well) and do not use the grouping feature. I found this to be a much faster way to handle tracks that are not as clean as you would like them to be.
These are good tips aswell, thank you! Last year i had the interesting task to adjust around 50 tracks from my choir, all recorded with their respective smartphone at home. It was a nightmare! In the end it took me around 30 hours to do so, because i was mainly relying on my ears to synchronize them all. If i knew this grouping trick and the option of having spectral peaks then, it would've saved a lot of time! :D
I am so glad i found this channel. Ive only been doing the recording thing for about a year, and i really had no clue what i was doing until a few months ago when i found these videos. My mixes are so much better now. Thanks, Kenny!!!
Bless you and thank you for this great tutorial Kenny. I spent today learning to use this feature.. Its been a great experience following your guidance xx😀😀
Thanks again Kenny! Seriously, I don't know where I'd be without your amazing tutorials... actually I do know, I would be an idiot lost in the realm of Reaper. Now I'm no longer lost in Reaper, but I'm still an idiot....
Thank you Kenny. Using Dynamic split for stretch markers! Wow. How useful is that in itself. Then the mouse modifier! And finally the behaviour of the stretch markers with grouping! 3 for 1 special!! Thanks Ian
Just discovered this feature for the first time now and I'm blown away. I would spend hours and sometimes days doing all this crap by hand one at a time fixing people's timing issues with choruses or adlibs in rap stacks the best I could but sometimes the audio stretching would sound unnatural or have gaps or obvious fades. This sounded much more clean and convincing to where now I'll have to think twice about which DAW I use or reach for prior to a recording session to ensure it has this capability. I'll admit sometimes Reaper feels cluttered and confusing by the wealth of options it has but with that flexibility and customization creates ideal solutions for scenarios that many other DAWs overlooked or never considered. 😃
daaaaaaaannnnngggg lol..and I just bought vocalign ultra!! even though I have it this makes me feel like I have more control because sometimes the background vocals for rappers dont line up when done with vocalign. For example when the artist only does emphasis words instead a full take in the back, vocalign doesn't know how to catch those spaced out words and align them to the original..Now I may just have to make this my permanent daw. I just need to learn it in and for hip hop production because the tools I need are hard to find within reaper for making beats. Thanks Kenny for everything. Dont know how you know all this stuff about reaper but im glad you do lol
Although I use Reaper for post-production. I still use Cubase 10.5 purely because it has this "vocal lining up ft" within 2 clicks.. I know Reaper will introduce this ft 1 day. Hopefully, as it's such a time saver
Ah man, could have done with this before Christmas trying to deal with a choir recording! Great to know how to do it though, this seems a lot faster than the way I've been doing it.
Totally Awesome Kenny,. I think you should rename your channel how to get the most out of Reaper. Thanks so much and I hope you and your family are safe.
Can You or some one seeing this comment make a video on exactly how to match up the pieces of audio with exact transients ? side by side showing where they meet etc. Even the best place for putting the start of stretch marker and the end
Personally, I think it would be faster to drop the stretch markers in manually (with a keyboard shortcut or mouse modifier) than using dynamic split on transients. If you have to go through and look at/adjust/delete/add each one individually anyway, why not just drop them in as you go instead. I guess if you could find a dynamic split setting that got you really close it could help. The grouping/grabbing trick is amazing though! I mixed a virtual choir recently that needed a lot of alignment work, and that would have been a big time saver. (On the other hand, some imperfections are actually very good in choral music to make it sound natural and full, but you do want to take care of those 's' sounds and the one guy who held the note a beat too long.) Thanks for another great vid!
I didn't know how to move stretch markers without stretch the audio, excelent as a pre-work. Nevertheless, I think that stretch those tracks without worrying about the sound could be tricky. I remember hearing some problems when the rate changes close to 1,2 or 0,8 ¿there is a way to avoid that problem?
Awesome! Does anyone know if they have this sort of trick with davinci resolve? I'm trying to do the same thing while maintaining the video at the same time so it all syncs up...
If the main vocal track had stretch markers and you could snap the other track's stretch markers to the closest main vocal markers with a single click it would've been such a time saver. Does such a script exist?
Hello thanks for this vid really helps. Got a question really appreciate if you can help with.My Reapers is connected to a Allen & Heath Q 16.If I press 'Mute' on any channel will reaper still record?.Or will that particular channel be muted?.
Awesome video, thanks! Btw how do you get your tracks to look so.. high res? In my projects the tracks and the audio "wave", if that's the name (?), In the arrange window almost look like they're in lower resolution. Is there a settings option for this?
When i do that on a track and then drag it creats a duplicate of the item underneath and I dont understand why? Also how do I make the splits visually dissapear when im done with it?
The Cristopher Walken of Reaper always killing it :D
I was thinking the same thing. (Especially after the new BMW Superbowl ad).
Two findings from a very long evening adjusting a choir take:
- You absolutely should activate the spectral peaks. It is so much easier to adjust visually. You can discern "ts" and "m" sounds that should be placed before and not on the beat, you can fix different timing for vowel adjustments, etc.
- Especially if the tracks you are adjusting are from different sources, the "dynamic split" automation often does not exactly set the right amount of transient at convenient places. Thus you might find yourself constantly both (a) adding new stretch markers, which means you have to ungroup the items to not add them in all items AND (b) manually delete a lot of stretch markers you do not want to use. Instead, use the dynamic split menu to add "transient guides" (and of course Kenny Goia has a great video on those as well) and do not use the grouping feature. I found this to be a much faster way to handle tracks that are not as clean as you would like them to be.
These are good tips aswell, thank you! Last year i had the interesting task to adjust around 50 tracks from my choir, all recorded with their respective smartphone at home. It was a nightmare! In the end it took me around 30 hours to do so, because i was mainly relying on my ears to synchronize them all. If i knew this grouping trick and the option of having spectral peaks then, it would've saved a lot of time! :D
Pro-tip: do it with spectral peaks activated. The visual feedback is seriously better that way, and less "listens" are needed to get it right.
What’s the action for this?
@@richiejackson9321 something about spectral peaks. It's in the actions list.
@@richiejackson9321 Options > Peaks Display Mode > Show Spectral Peaks
on pc using Modifier, shift + win, but nothing seem to move without stretching the vocals
You are the MAN! You have no idea how much painstaking edits I have had to endure without this lol cheers
Thank you Kenny! Now I know I will not need Vocalign! Reaper rocks and your videos enables me to get the most out of Reaper. :-)
You never need just one thing to get the job done.. nothing beats vocalign tho
The grabbing part is so pleasing, when they start align with each other...
I am so glad i found this channel. Ive only been doing the recording thing for about a year, and i really had no clue what i was doing until a few months ago when i found these videos. My mixes are so much better now. Thanks, Kenny!!!
what kind of sorcery is this grouping trick, amazing
I know, right? Had no idea I could do that with Reaper. Kenny, your tutorials are gold, pure and simple!
Bless you and thank you for this great tutorial Kenny. I spent today learning to use this feature.. Its been a great experience following your guidance xx😀😀
Here is the song BTW:
open.spotify.com/track/5dT7ufx3zMgdi6GSbZiFCW?si=Z3cwkTqWSA2RXSsd-qmN-Q
Great sounding album! Congrats.
My mind is officially blown. So happy ever since I ditched ProTools!
Thanks again Kenny! Seriously, I don't know where I'd be without your amazing tutorials... actually I do know, I would be an idiot lost in the realm of Reaper. Now I'm no longer lost in Reaper, but I'm still an idiot....
Thank you Kenny.
Using Dynamic split for stretch markers! Wow. How useful is that in itself. Then the mouse modifier! And finally the behaviour of the stretch markers with grouping! 3 for 1 special!! Thanks Ian
This is an incredible lesson Kenny, thank you!
Kenny I love you. This was the tutorial I needed all along. I used to do that in a way more complicated way haha.
This video blew my mind! Audio production I have a DEEP love and respect for. This is amazing!!!
Great stuff and incredibly useful for lining up any type of track. This will be part of my norm from now on!
All hail King Kenny!!!
This is really something!, learn something new everyday, TY Kenny
0:31 before fix, 8:28 after fix
Much better energy & intensity with the aligned version!
Just discovered this feature for the first time now and I'm blown away. I would spend hours and sometimes days doing all this crap by hand one at a time fixing people's timing issues with choruses or adlibs in rap stacks the best I could but sometimes the audio stretching would sound unnatural or have gaps or obvious fades. This sounded much more clean and convincing to where now I'll have to think twice about which DAW I use or reach for prior to a recording session to ensure it has this capability. I'll admit sometimes Reaper feels cluttered and confusing by the wealth of options it has but with that flexibility and customization creates ideal solutions for scenarios that many other DAWs overlooked or never considered. 😃
In Nuendo or Cubase: 1 select reference take. 2 Select all takes to align. 3 press “Align”. 10 seconds or less.
Does the alignment in Nuendo or Cubase use time stretching?
@@risingtideproductions you can chose with/without
Perfect timing as I was frying my brains on this one JUST NOW. Thanks a mil Kenny!
This is gonna tighten up my gang adlibs nicely
It actually works and is easy to follow! Thank KG
Great instructional video, yet again! Thanks Kenny!
Another great tip of yours! Thank you, Kenny!
Oh man, I manually sliced the track by peaks, aligned it, and glued back each time 🙈🙈
Thank you very much
Thanks for taking the suggestion to make this tutorial!
Thank you so much for your numerous tutorials for Reaper ! This particular one is Sooooooo useful, like many others !
daaaaaaaannnnngggg lol..and I just bought vocalign ultra!! even though I have it this makes me feel like I have more control because sometimes the background vocals for rappers dont line up when done with vocalign. For example when the artist only does emphasis words instead a full take in the back, vocalign doesn't know how to catch those spaced out words and align them to the original..Now I may just have to make this my permanent daw. I just need to learn it in and for hip hop production because the tools I need are hard to find within reaper for making beats. Thanks Kenny for everything. Dont know how you know all this stuff about reaper but im glad you do lol
There's also mpl_align but I like this better for accuracy and control.
@@MusicByIanLtd I tried is before but I didn't really get the results I thought.
Yes Vocalign does! Not to take away from Reaper but Voc Ultra does emphasis word very well and can distinguish between those spaces and silent parts
Really thanks Kenny!
your the one that makes reaper the best
Although I use Reaper for post-production. I still use Cubase 10.5 purely because it has this "vocal lining up ft" within 2 clicks..
I know Reaper will introduce this ft 1 day. Hopefully, as it's such a time saver
This is a spectacular time saver!
Informative and helpful as always. Thank you Kenny!
This is an incredible work flow! Thank you Kenny! 🙏🏿
Great demo- this is so useful. Thank you!
Ah man, could have done with this before Christmas trying to deal with a choir recording! Great to know how to do it though, this seems a lot faster than the way I've been doing it.
Love you, Kenny!
I could watch kenny edit for hours ngl
I did know about stretch markers but you went way beyond! Thanks
Genius!
very goood...allways surprising
Totally Awesome Kenny,. I think you should rename your channel how to get the most out of Reaper. Thanks so much and I hope you and your family are safe.
Amazing ! As usual !
That was amazing.
Oh Kenny! You make this look so easy. OK. I've got to learn this. It something that a do a lot. Wonderful video. Thanks so much!
Awesome, thanks!
I'd like to see perfect integration of Revoice Pro like in Studio One. Such a Timesaver!
Can You or some one seeing this comment make a video on exactly how to match up the pieces of audio with exact transients ? side by side showing where they meet etc. Even the best place for putting the start of stretch marker and the end
Would aligning vocals in this manner produce less artifacts/a more organic sound than using VocAlign?
Thanks Kenny! Question. I followed the steps my mine is still stretching when I try to move. Any suggestions?
Nice! Gotta try it on rythemh guitars.
I need this!
wow. just wow. reaper, it is almost unfair how powerful it is.
Dope!! Game changer for me, used to spend a lot of time doing this
very useful, thanks Kenny! Btw, I didn't know, that stretch markers in grouped items behave so.
Brilliant, thank you my friend🚀
This is very useful, thanks
Exactly what was missing in my life, thanks! 🤜
Personally, I think it would be faster to drop the stretch markers in manually (with a keyboard shortcut or mouse modifier) than using dynamic split on transients. If you have to go through and look at/adjust/delete/add each one individually anyway, why not just drop them in as you go instead. I guess if you could find a dynamic split setting that got you really close it could help.
The grouping/grabbing trick is amazing though! I mixed a virtual choir recently that needed a lot of alignment work, and that would have been a big time saver. (On the other hand, some imperfections are actually very good in choral music to make it sound natural and full, but you do want to take care of those 's' sounds and the one guy who held the note a beat too long.)
Thanks for another great vid!
excelente herramienta y tecnica. gracias!
I didn't know how to move stretch markers without stretch the audio, excelent as a pre-work. Nevertheless, I think that stretch those tracks without worrying about the sound could be tricky. I remember hearing some problems when the rate changes close to 1,2 or 0,8 ¿there is a way to avoid that problem?
what would be the best stretching algorithm for vocal for this technique so that it sounds natural?
Tonal optimized, solist, elastique 3. 15ms. Thank me later ;)
@@dinomedanhodzic my hero, thanks a lot :D
Awesome! Does anyone know if they have this sort of trick with davinci resolve? I'm trying to do the same thing while maintaining the video at the same time so it all syncs up...
Thank you so much!
If the main vocal track had stretch markers and you could snap the other track's stretch markers to the closest main vocal markers with a single click it would've been such a time saver. Does such a script exist?
Hello thanks for this vid really helps. Got a question really appreciate if you can help with.My Reapers is connected to a Allen & Heath Q 16.If I press 'Mute' on any channel will reaper still record?.Or will that particular channel be muted?.
Hello sir how to remove the BPM per BAR like yours can freely adjust them
Perfect method !!! - Thanks a lot ...
on pc using Modifier, shift + win, but nothing seem to move without stretching the vocals
Incredible
Wow, that's actually quicker than using Melodyne!
What an amazing tool. If I only knew. I'm really going to love this trick next time. Thank you Kenny!
This is Killer... thank so much!!!
You re a legend ! Thank you !
That was SO good!!!
Awesome video, thanks!
Btw how do you get your tracks to look so.. high res? In my projects the tracks and the audio "wave", if that's the name (?), In the arrange window almost look like they're in lower resolution. Is there a settings option for this?
Best DAW ever
This is awesome! I bought Vocalign but I think I'd prefer this approach so I can see what's going on instead of the black box of Vocalign.
Thanks!!!
Sir, you're my teacher.
This looks great, but isn’t there a concern with degrading the audio in the stretching that occurs with lining the tracks up?
If the stretching is minimal the it doesn’t degrade.... extreme stretching does though
AMAZING!!
Can you use this for other instruments such as guitar doubling?
Very helpful. Thank you.
Thanks Kenny!!!!
That was so good
Superb Video! Kenny, how do i get these nice pastel looking Colors for tcp or items in Reaper?
going crazy from this vid
When i do that on a track and then drag it creats a duplicate of the item underneath and I dont understand why? Also how do I make the splits visually dissapear when im done with it?
6:24 and my mind is blown 😮💨
MPL Align takes does this quite automatically - free script for REAPER
Impresionante el reaper!!!
Thanks for the algoritm you showed in this video
Great tutorial! Thank you! I will abuse these powers to try and allign my crappy guitar doubles as well !
Thanks from Russia!!
Very Usefull video!
Also try ReVoice Pro to auto align vocals
Fantastico Kenny
this helped a lot, thanks