Tech Lore : Dominion War Variant Uniforms
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2018
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Let's discuss the last video in the Uniform Series (for now atleast) - The Dominion War variant. I break it down.. you decide..
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Those of us that have been in the military knows that whenever some general or admiral gets the bright idea that we need new uniforms, a huge, long, and very expensive process starts that usually ends up with about a year of mixed uniforms throughout the service. It takes that long for them to be produced, shipped, and issued. Even so, it still happens way too often. This would not be an issue with starfleet, as almost all ships and stations can replicate new uniforms on the spot. All they need is an order from starfleet with the design parameters. It’s amazing that they don’t get a change order every time an admiral gets a new command. lol
So true. Flagg officers seem to think spending obscene amounts of money changing uniforms will improve morale. Not quality of life issues like eliminating dangerous mold issues in the barracks, improving the food at dfacs, stamping out toxic leadership behaviors, actually allowing personnel to actually pursue a higher education as promised by recruitement ads instead of being forced to cancel classes because some officer looking to prop up their OER decides to have a field exercise/equipment audit/special detail. Oh better pay and not gutting retirement benefits. But a new uniform I guess solves all the problems in the universe.
As a little kid I always wondered why they were constantly changing uniforms.
Then I joined the military and suddenly I had a very deep sympathy for Starfleet personnel.
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Every Admiral..."I don't like his uniform. Make me a new one that is unique to myself." Ensign "But Admiral, we already have 4 other styles" Admiral, "MAKE IT SO, ENSIGN!"
Makes you wonder if Starfleet had a department that focused on creating uniforms..it'd be a good use of the Holodeck.
@@miconis123 a whole department seems kinda wasteful, it's probably a section in logistics or something
"MAKE IT SEW, ENSIGN!"
@@purplefood1 Admirals prerogative, just use the replicators to make a custom outfit just because they can.
F*ck you a**hole nake me that bespoke one I want. das ist rin befehl! us exactly what Admiral person would say
The "Flight Jumpsuit" was a custom uniform designed by Paris specifically for a shuttle race in the episode "Drive."
Yes. It was inspired by the suits worn by Formula One drivers......
.....just as the dress uniforms in INSURRECTION were inspired by cocktail waiters.....
Actually, those reminded me of Navy Officer's Dinner Dress Whites (without the bow tie, cummerbund, and large medals)
Too bad the standard uniform on an Oberth class isn't a space suit.
Plasmacore V
It's even better, you get a customized coffin before checking in, with gold braided handles!
You'd be safer shipping out in JUST the spacesuit.
Hahahahaha!
It's kinda weird only a FEW sci fi series actually have crews of ships switch to space suits during combat and that actually saves lives
Would put that on, and refuse to take it off as long as I am on board and the computer would have an emergency beam out command programmed into it with tons of situations where it would beam me and a transponder-beacon (I want to be rescued after all!) into the void! Being attacked would be one of them, as would be warpcore-troubles, going to red-alert etc. :D
I think the reason the admiral uniforms had belts because they kept hiring out of shape actors for the roles. ;)
Truth
In our age generals and military leaders become more portly looking because flying a desk means you have little time to hike and workout as much as the average grunt, cadet. I'd hope that in treks future that would be harder to do and would be easier to stay in shape. But who am I kidding! The belts are there for an ambassadors dinner gut lol!
Admirals don't take take PT tests.
@jackleg2007
LOL😆😆😂😂🤣🤣🤣!!!
I mean you see a lot of fat 05s and 06s and more General Officers (Flag Officers) than not are fat.
My dad was an 06 and he was only in shape once a year. He'd train for his PT test, then not bother for about 8-9 months until it was time for PT test again. Where as your enlisted men, and o1-o3 generally do PT daily as part of there duty shift.
"This would allow for Klingon hussies to not show that they are pregnant."
That line made me just about fall out of the chair laughing
I always wondered why she had the most anger after the show ended even more than Mulgrew and Ryan who were literally on a bitch war while on set? I don't think any actress was happy working on Voyager
🤣🤣🤣🤣 this comment almost made me drop my phone lol
I am also easily amused.
It's just a maternity version of the uniform to be worn by officers who were pregnant, we have some similar uniforms in the military right now and they are only allowed to be worn once the person receives permission from their CO after having received a record from a doctor confirming this. Starfleet while not expressly a military agency would naturally follow this line of thought.
Plus its meant for 2/3rd trimester
Actually the whole away team wore that desert uniform not just Ezri. Ezri Dax, The Sisko, The Sisco's father and son Jake all wore it at the same time in that episode. But that being said another good video thank you.
definitely agree, the dominion war variant is my fav!
I'm fairly sure that became the standard uniform, as opposed to a variant as worded in the video, but I agree, it's been my favorite uniform to date, the Star Trek II-VI (and Generations) TOS movie uniforms being my 2nd... they both seemed more professional, at least to me.
When I was growing up there was a weird asian lady on my street who thought everything on TV was real. I remember after the season 5 finale of DS9 aired she ran around the street shouting 'DOMINION ATTACKING! DOMINION ATTACKING!' I think she was a mail order bride and her husband was a trekkie.
bullshit
Bullshit
The flight uniform was simply for the race in that one episode of Voyager.
The uniforms that Tuvok and Maquis members wore was PT/physical training gear. In the military you wear shorts and tshirts or sweats during PT. You don't wear your duty uniform. So why should Tuvok and the Maquis wear their duty uniform when they are running around Voyager for PT?
I loved those new uniforms. They implied that the Federation is trying to take space more seriously. I bet at least one Jem'Hadar noticed in silent stoism.
Indeed
It should be mentioned that Officers in most militaries are responsible for purchasing their own uniforms. You see a HUGE variation of uniform variation among German officers in WWII as they were given extreme leniency when it comes to personal tailored uniforms and I think this is an argument that can be made for the excessive variations in dress uniforms we see in Star Fleet.
To continue on that just also look at the variations of uniforms the each branch of the military has and also the many different variations of way to wear each uniform. I'll reference the US Army for this since I was in for 8 years and have the most experience with their uniforms; You have the basic in-garrison field uniform(and I'm gonna reference the ACU period not this new OCP stuff we're wearing now) the ACU(Army Combat Uniform) which is the basic everyday uniform that's worn when you're not in PT's or a dress uniform and is normally worn with a baseball style Patrol Cap but in some more formal circumstances or by the unit's CO discretion is replaced by the Beret and in colder climates you can also wear your fleece cap from your PT's in order to better protect and warm your head and ears. Now a sub-variant of the ACU exists called the A2CU(Army Aircrew Combat Uniform) which is only worn by aircrews because it is less flammable then the standard ACU and is more in-line with the flight suits you see in the other branches(unless you're in aviation you'll never see this unless you're getting a chopper ride) .
Next you have the APFU(Army Physical Fitness Uniform) which consists of running shoes, socks, long pants, shorts, short-sleeve shirt, long-sleeve shirt, running jacket, and a fleece cap. Theses can be worn in any configuration and it all counts as PT's which is what you wear when you're working out or at the end of the duty day and aren't authorized to wear civilian attire.
And finally you have the ASU(Army Service Uniform) which is the dress uniform worn for formal occasions and also has a few different configurations and they are all worn with either the Beret or NCO cap for enlisted and the Beret or Officers cap for the Commissioned Officers(Warrants just wear what ever the hell they feel like cuz they're Warrant Officers).
Now that is just a condensed list of what just the US Army wears and it just makes sense to have all of the variations of uniforms within Starfleet because there is more than just the fleet and the varies installations they have to support the fleet or be supported by the fleet and within Starfleet being as VAST as it is(I mean we're talking about a space force that is meant to operate across entire QUADRENTS so the force has a size bigger than a few planets total populations so there is bound to be specific groups that differ from the main force in both appearance and operating procedures.
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@6:42
Grey tends to blend in relatively well everywhere, especially in the dark. A darker grey would likely be better, but even a comparatively light grey will do. However, black (as you mention around the @7:50 mark) is actually the very worst colour you can choose for any situation. This is due to black being absent in nature, it's not a colour, but an absence of colour. Black draws the eye *and sticks out like a sore thumb*. In fact, modern submarines (which were painted black for many years) have recently abandoned that colour for this very reason.
Modern combat uniforms generally don't have it either, instead opting for greys, dull greens and earthy tones.
However, that is all undone by 2 things on that outfit. 1, the big red stripe.
2. The tight fitting nature of that uniform. The best kind of outfit for camouflage purposes and general survival is something that is somewhat loose, but not baggy. You see, when considering camouflage, it's not just colour that must be thought of, but shape, shine, shadow, silhouette and sudden movement. Shape is the biggest problem with that outfit camouflage wise, with it being rather tight and having very unnatural line about it that would be rather difficult to break up with things like natural vegetation. Basically, the shape would stick out first, rather than colour.
I was thinking greens, whites, yellows, and such.. what you see on standard one biome planets that trek loves to use :p
I'm guessing a darker grey would be best if you want one uniform for all such missions on a variety of planets and biomes, while a variety of camo colours would be best if you want a different uniform for each biome.
And since we know the Star Trek universe is one where resource scarcity is a problem, they went with the more conservative option. /s
Such witty sarcasm there +originalpiman.
Replicating things takes energy, something which was made very clear in Voyager. Indeed, they went to great pains to ration replicator use. It would make sense for them to revert to a more generalised "subdued" uniform type.
Not to mention, that while we generally only see "one biome planets" (exceptions have included the genesis planet), it's not outside the real of possibility that you really would need a subdued 'camouflage' uniform which would work reasonably well in multiple kinds of environment.
Good old one-biomes! :P
Though there have been exceptions of course.
Hell, I've heard the theory that the uniforms like that are actually a kind of "adaptive camouflage", but we never actually see that because it'd be too freaking expensive to actually create that effect.
But black? That's just the worst colour if you want to hide.
Aside from the beginning and the year of hell, replicator rationing appears limited to rationing personal use and on rare occasions, plot convenience. They certainly appear to have no trouble replicating new shuttles and Delta Flyers as necessary. I'm sure that if they felt a new uniform would help them survive, then they'd make a new uniform.
I saw a fan theory once stating the constant changing of uniforms was a way to allow time travelers to know what period they'd landed in, as a way to keep interactions to a minimum and therefore reduce possibility of changing the timeline.
Alex Stauffer time travelers that do not know what time period they are in should be reprimanded for irresponsible temporal travel. Proper time travelers (barring temporal anomalies) should know when they are going down to the second at a minimum.
@@russellharrell2747 While generally correct, your point doesn't account for system malfunctions and the like.
@@Blasted2Oblivion sci fi writers sure like their time machines to malfunction more than what I would like for any item of tech.
Starfleet carrying on the tradition of putting uniform design ahead of battle readiness.
What's easier to design and mass produce a Starship who's bridge panels will not explode after a few hits or a new uniform.
@Ghettobible well the Starfleet philosophy doesn't give a shit about their own people dying. So long as they can keep claiming to be pacifist even as they use force to get what they want when it suits them.
You forget how much the intelligence network relies on custom tailors. :)
While I didn't like the show very much, the Starfleet uniforms present in Enterprise what have to be my favorite utility uniforms. My favorite formal Starfleet uniform has to be the white jacket variant which I believe was first introduced in Star Trek insurrection because it's the only one that actually looks like a proper dress uniform.
I'm wondering if the white uniform was more of a "Mess Dress" than a "Class-A"
I think they are the best for storage and look the best, but, what if you really need to take a pi - sorry I meant visit the restroom and you gotta take of the whole uniform and other parts below to do so lol
@@ourichie you sound like you have some military in your background so you should know the elongated tunics were a Class A/Dress Blues type and the white jacket was indeed a "Mess Dress" uniform intended for high level dinners and events of that nature. It is disappointing that Starfleet doesn't believe in having its personnel show off their duly earned ribbons, metals, weapons qualification badges, unit citations, etc.
@@kevinmoore2929I agree with you brother. i'm an army veteran. the white dress uniforms do look like a mess dress variant. the closest we see the badges n ribbons are undiscovered country, worn by the admiralty. in tos, kirk, spock n some admirals wore medals n ribbons. I am a uniform enthusiast. I plan on making not fer profit Starfleet uniform guides of both canon n nn-canon Starfleet uniforms. infact in my published military sysy series, I've designed military uniforms fer the human empire as a companion book.
See, I always thought that, for the first half of TNG, each admiral got to design his or her own custom uniform as one of the perks of rank.
I figured it's cause the prop department couldn't come up with a flag uniform that didn't look stupid.
aperson22222 if each one is individualised you can't really call it a uniform anymore ;)
@@williamcostigan91 some of them were cool. But others, good Lord.
I wish we got to see more of what ground troops wore in DS9.
Star Fleet are the perfect example of logic, such as “minor refits” and the oberth class are the choices for use for everything
Oberth class is the perfect ship for defending against Borg or 100 year old Klingon Bird of Preys. (Kidding)
I would not put a Oberth against the S.S. Minnow (Gilligan's Island), the S.S. Minnow would get wrecked and not seaworthy, it's crew would survive while the Oberth is made out of solid Michael Bay grade explodnium.
10:17 They could actally be for two different purposes. The one worn by O'Brien could be a 'standard' dress uniform for ceremonial uses, while the white worn by Bashir could be a 'mess dress' uniform intended for formal but not ceremonial occasions. The US military has this arrangement.
pretty good series. I'd like to see other races, Klingons in particular. In one episode they had a friggin disrupter hidden in the fancy bits of the uniform
LOL! I just love that the Admirals had so many different versions of the uniform.
And just like you, I loved the Dominion War variant uniforms.
There is also the offical Captain's grey singlet, worn by Picard in First Contact and Janeway in Macrocosm, and occasionally by half Klingon engineers when feeling amorous in caves or seriously pissed off in Malon freighters, basically anywhere a sexy sheen can develop.
And I think there was a ex Borg drone variant, although Seven's outfits deserve their own video (just realized the implications as I heard a bass solo in my head).
What was the medical function of Seven of Nine's uniform? besides causing localised high blood pressure in surrounding crewmen (and viewers*), and what medical needs required high heels (Borg implants affected her posture?) and a corset with push up cups?
*Voyager was available on video tape way before being screened on my local network, and I got the tape of her character introduction as a crewmember about a week after it was released at the video store. The revelation scene of her in her slinky new outfit was distorted and had tape faults from being held on pause for way too long…
It was a primitive time, before internet porn.
A bit of trivia, the original Borg drone outfit for Jeri Ryan almost killed her. In the scene where she first appeared, as a independent drone liaison, and stepped out of her alcove, Jeri Ryan turned her head to address one of the other actors and promptly fainted in full costume. Turns out the neck cuff of her Drone getup cut off blood flow through her carotid artery whenever she turned her head, and if a crewman hadn't immediately put her head back to a safe position she would have died or suffered severe brain damage due to lack of blood flow to the brain. And then once she got into her catsuit outfit Jeri Ryan lamented in an interview that she was never eating anything but salad ever again.
I always thought that the TNG era pip badges were only surrounded by a box if it was a flag officer or admiral.
Dominion War Era Uniforms are the best; simple, functional, and stylish.
Seriously, the Dominion Way Variant is probably my favorite scifi standard-issue uniform. Its that or the post-Earthforce B5 uniforms.
The insurrection Greys are my favorites, with a close second being the TWOK Maroons. Both are more military and look functional. Both had jackets and vests, and also looked somewhat comfortable to wear. If it got hot, you could take off the jacket and wear the vest.
Every time we see a new admiral outfit, it's a different universe. Rip in the spacetime continuum.
Mind. Blown.
Sir Patrick Stuart in dress and leggings in the 90s on TV he must have loved that
Hands up everyone who could wear a turtleneck sweater under a uniform and not sweat like crazy while working, I don't know about the rest of you but my hands are quite securely by my sides on this one.
Not a turtleneck sweater, but a mock-turtleneck. Basically a long sleeved t-shirt with a slightly higher than normal collar.
The answer to this would obviously depend on the climate. I seem to remember a discussion involving Worf on ds9 about uniform comfort, in which it was stated that ships and space stations were maintained at 21C. At that temperature I could be very comfortable in that uniform, assuming I was doing a desk job and that the material was breathable
The desert uniform Ezri wore was also worn by all 3 Sisko men in season 7 episode 2 Shadows and SymbolsSisko had his red stripeEzri/Jake had her blue/green stripeSisko Father had gold
Colm Meaney, who played Miles O'Brien, said the DS9 uniform was more comfortable than the uniforms worn in TNG. That would explain why Starfleet changed uniform fleetwide.
Was hoping you'd mention the Air Jordan Xs worn in the Voyager episode where Tuvok trains the Maquis, awesome video regardless ty.
My two favourites are the Dominion war version and the Enterprise series jumpsuits.
The former for the reasons you stated and the later because it feels sensible and utilitarian with it's simplicity and pockets compared to the pomp of future uniforms.
Can't wait for your breakdown on Babylon 5 uniforms.
Just a consideration but I’m wondering if the variety in admiralty uniforms differed by what department they were in charge of. I.e (non)Combat Admirals I mean Defense Admirals in charge of the 1st-12th Fleets would be assigned shipboard uniforms. Outpost Admirals another uniform, JAG, Logistics, R&D, etc..
That'd make alot of sense and usually the show is vague as to what the exact position/role of the Admiral was.
Or maybe Admirals being the highest rankings officers just have more autonomous discretion to customize their own personal uniform. I mean, who's gonna reprimand them?
you gotta be well dressed to your own funeral, starfleet just starts that early
Always found it odd how Admirals in TNG were usually depicted as either corrupt, or just total a-holes.
Thanks for this series, it was fun!
The final DS9 uniform shows when the Federation had to divest from its massive Starfleet Fashion industry and shift production to military equipment.
I wonder if you'll make a video on future timeline uniforms, like those shown in Best of Both Worlds or from the temporal agents.
And the evil warship voyager, although that was an inaccurate propaganda holo simulation from the future.
I think you mean “All good Things” lol
Completely agree, the Dominion War variant is definitely the best uniform, especially the vest alternative for the Captains. You forgot to mention that there was a difference with the white jacket dress uniforms, Admirals and Captains had an all white jacket while low rank officers had the white jacket with the grey middle. Great break down on the uniforms tho.
I've always imagined that once space travel becomes more common, even in a military environment, they would be somewhat more lax with uniform standards, keep it professional but you can wear something your comfortable with. This would be a thing because of how absurdly difficult, dangerous, uncomfortable and isolated spaceflight is compared to literally every other form of transportation you can put a human through. None of those things are going away no matter what we do or develop so traditions would be adapted rather than the other way around.
Perhaps actual pressure suits and EVA suits would be more uniform in their appearance.
As for the uniforms discussed here the flight suits from the very first Enterprise were by far the best, flight suits look pretty good so long as you aren't fat and they have pockets, many pockets.
Take it from someone who flies for a living, the pockets are key, you can never have too many pockets.
Klingon hussies, lol, I wondered why she wore that coat out of nowhere I assumed she had gotten pregnant
Same reason why Gates McFadden first wore an overcoat on TNG. To not show they were pregnant.
Secretly, unknown to us observers outside the universe, each Admiral was given leeway to custom design and tailor personalized dress uniforms.
Headcanon :p
Further evidence to suggest the early DS9 uniforms were initially “for space stations only”: When Sisko was briefly transferred to Starfleet HQ on Earth (I forget the episode name), during the cold war with the Dominion, he switched to the standard TNG-style uniform.
Dear god..how did I miss that one?
If I remember correctly, O'Brien changes from the DS9/Voyager uniform back into his old TNG uniform when he returns to the Enterprise D to say goodbye in 'Emissary'.
By 'Generations' it appears that the DS9/Voyager style uniform was being rolled out onto starships, although it was a bit visually jarring how officers were able to keep swapping between the two styles.
The episode was called "Homefront", the first part of a 2 parter that concluded with "Paradise Lost". Such a great couple of episodes that are as relevant today as they were when they aired, if not more so. "Paradise Lost" is also notable as one of the 2 times we get to see an Excelsior refit, the Lakota. The other is of course the Enterprise-B in Generations.
Great video ..will there be a final part on the future uniform?
"though, previous era jackets had pockets"
Shows image of modern era jacket with pocket
I stand by that thing didnt have pockets:p
Just found the channel and have been doing a bit of binging. Nice work out there, and coming from an old star wars fan, I find the 'what is canon' differences adorable, we needed a gradient chart to keep us straight, until disney threw the baby out with the bath water. Nice to see the dedication to primary sources.
I do agree on the militarization of star fleet for the dominion war as being some of the best written stories, while also being the furthest from what Roddenberry would have liked for his human utopia. The problem with Utopia is that it Doesn't Feel very Human. Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I prefer DS9's imperfections to crystal towers and toga perfection.
Sort of like the divide with DC and Marvel. DC writes hero's as Gods, to be Inspired by. Marvel writes them as People to Related to.
Anywho, props to you and your editor for some entertaining work.
PS, if you ever get around to a new Starship Lore, can you take a crack at the USS Yeager? The kitbash of the Intrepid model and a Maquis Raider? That one just confuses the heck out of me.
Agreed on the shift in writing when the Dominion War came into play. It showed that as good as things may be, sometimes we have to get down and dirty in order to defend our way of life - especially the whole episode on how Sisko got the Romulans to come on board; a few murders and self-loathing are a small price to pay in order to stop half the galaxy from getting killed, and that we're anything but perfect, either now or 400 years (come to think of it at this point, closer to 350 years) from now.
The uniform at 6:18 to me was a survival gear uniform. Good for when support and logistics are likely to be scarce or missing for long periods of time.
My guess is the flight suit at 5:27 is a Tom Paris special. If I remember that episode correctly, they were in a race so it really stands to reason that he would have designed it. Probably heavily basing it on an old designs of some sort and incorporating modern uniform elements into it. Kind of like the control scheme of the Delta Flier itself.
It seems the Admiralty of Starfleet was allowed a lot of leeway when it comes to uniforms. As long as it's predominantly red on black, has gold stripes on it, and displays your rank at or near the collar, you're pretty much free to make whatever customisations you want.
That VOY Flight Suit is sharp.
To be fair star trek rearly bothers to point out just how much replicator tech would change things. Go from this is the uniform these are a small number of varieties for certain things, because supply lines are an arsenal. Now introduce the ability to print whatever u feel like that day- I'd have uniform standards rather than rigidly diffined, which army already has due to"oh u want better gear and are willing to pay shipping yourself, ok not our problem then just make sure it's all standard on parade".
I recon the less millatery nature of Starfleet means that unless your in a war zone they'd be lax about this on ship and ok with making new variants up on the spot
Any thoughts of an addendum episode to address the Picard uniforms?
I don’t find the constant uniform changes unrealistic. In 14 years of military service, I’ve had 7 and now 8 with the pink and greens.
Awwww, no video on the future uniform from All Good Things, The Visitor, and Endgame? Or the Federation timeship uniforms from Future's End and Relativity? :-)
I definitely like the Dominion War era uniform. They look like what you would expect of a quadrant-wide ships-with-weapons-of-death entity.
My view is that all uniforms discussed were all available at the same time. The Chief Fashion Officer on each starship or star fleet installation would report to the Federation Fashion Directorate, which liaised closely with Starfleet Fashion and Design Division, located in New Milan, under Rear Admiral Klum.
God damn, and all I came here wondering was why the Enterprise crew had a different uniform than the DS9 crew in the same time frame
I kinda go with the white formal uniform as it seems to look like something stemmed from modern military class A uniform. I would like to see them put metals, specific branch insignias, something that shows were these characters came from throughout their career.
My understanding of the uniform for DS9 was that they were a utility coverall to ease the active, grunt labor aspect of working with and around Cardassian tech on a former ore processing facility. Visiting officers would often wear the TNG style, with the TNG unforms dispearing after TNG ended and Voyager stuck with the newer style.
The modern equivelent would be starship crews wearing service uniforms while on DS9 everybody wore BDUs/utility uniforms.
The only things I can find to correct is that Not only Ezri, but Ben, Jake and Older Sisko all wore the Desert uniform in that single episode. Ben had Red division color and I think his father and Jake both wore gold stripes.
the Combat Uniform, in it;s second appearance added the Department shirts under that much more padded black top with the matching Division color.
Other than that, I agree, I prefer this uniform to any other 24th Century uniform.
I reheard your comments about Section 31 and I retract the second part about why they wore all black. You are right that it does make observers curious about who they are. It is also possible that not many get to see them wearing their uniforms....
greetings citizen of the local galaxies. I loved your Starfleet uniforms series of vids. i'm an army veteran, and uniform enthusiast. I also enjoy designing military uniforms. some my future projects, are Starfleet uniform guides, consisting of canon and non-canon uniforms. I really like the military feel of twok era uniforms. in comic books, I have seen non canon varieties of this era. I was inspired by shane Johnson's Starfleet uniform guide.
Top five uniforms,
5 2nd half of TNG
4 enterprise
3 ds9 / voyager
2 rath of kann
1 deminon war / from first contact onwards.
That first grey and black uniform Sisko had was an obvious screw up by the wardrobe department, they've been known to happen from time to time like at the end of yesterday's enterprise when Geordi is wearing the wrong uniform. The Grey and Black is the best version of the uniform, it has a much needed screen presence
The final uniforms seen in the TNG movies the sciences division is divided into two different blues. The medical staff had teal and the actual science divisions like people working in Astrometrics or Stellar Cartography where just a light blue. You could see the difference with Jadzia Dax and Dr. Bashir.
are you going to expand to the 2410s?
Star trek online uniforms, all versions and possiblities
Renze Koper I have a question for you
No mention of Captain Picard’s command red suede jacket from season 5, I believe. Looked good. I wonder if it was only for captains, or any officer could have one?
The last one with the gray shoulders has always been my favorite.
You still have to do one more of this uniform videos. You know that you have to do one about the Terran Empire uniforms. After all, they are Starfleet too.
To be honest I can see value in 2 away uniforms for crew. Type 1 = High vis colours possibly with silver striping for exploration in presumed non-hostile environments specifically so that if something goes wrong you have a decent chance of your fellow away team members spotting you unconcious in the undergrowth as opposed to walking right by you and not seeing you there. Type 2 = intended for hostile or low profile missions where you want to blend in and would be tan or given replicators environment appropriate e.g white for snowfields.
Addressing the flight suit.. yeah no wonder you feel like its voyager exclusive. Shuttle pilots wore the standard issue uniforms that all other personnel wore.
These flight suits come from paris being paris, wanting something racey looking as he was going to participate in a race. It is much more civilian-like racedriver jumpsuit than uniform.
Indeed this is my favorite variant so far.
It would have been nice to add a Grey and black bomber jacket (with the division shirt) for more casual use and work a bit better the tactical variant.
So I recall in the TAS episode "The Terratin Incident" It was specifically mentioned that the uniforms are organic fibers. I wonder if that relates to the 'Huh'?
What about Admiral McCoy's uniform from the first episode of TNG?
the whole focus on uniforms thing it makes me think of a phrase i heard once "The ship is sinking, lets paint it !!"
My favorite uniform, without a doubt is the, Type B Captain Variant. The open red jacket over a grey shirt undershirt.
Do you not know what mock turtle neck means?
Did you not push the button on Google to tell you how to pronounce "epaulet"?
It means it isn't a real shirt it just has a collar and a front part so that it looks like you're wearing a shirt. What do you mean? The crew are wearing actual turtlenecks because when they take off their jacket there is a shirt underneath.
I know you said this was the last. But as it's been a couple of years and we've had some new uniforms since then, I hope for a new video on Uniforms from Lower Decks onwards.
Yea, I’m going to redo a better version sometime soon
Are you comparing uniforms from alternate universes? It seems like that when you compare dress and admiralty.
Does that count when you note the supposed date?
I dont understand what you are trying to ask.. I am only comparing prime universe generally
In regards to the possibility to the non organic uniforms...it could possibly play a role in defence as it was a thicker material
I feel like the Admirals uniforms were just individualized by and for each admiral
That new dress uniform looks fucking amazing.
Or maybe Bashir just makes anything look good.
Starfleet: Keeping those clothing designers busy since the 2200's.
Those federation flight suits look bad ass.
Nothing is like the Navy Blue Camo. Starfleet deserve their dark space blue camo.
And it's a good work Lore you nice castle from boring sand.
considering how much bad luck Redshirts had in TOS, it stands to reason that starfleet might be constantly R&D'ing to find a less targeted uniform for service members, especialy considering how many years of service and training are required to be on starships in the first place.
Kahns outfit in both STII and Into Darkness could be mentioned here as both are in some ways modified Starfleet uniforms
I haven't seen the previous Uniform videos - forgive me - but did you mention O'Brien's shortsleeved engineering variant?
Not in depth if I did at all.
The Flight Suits in Voyager I believe were made for a race. So I think they're custom made.
Dominion War Variant Uniforms is my favorite too
I also prefer the ones introduced in First Contact. The ones seen in TNG looked too much like space pajamas. The early DS9 and Voyager uniforms were OK.
When the Dominion War broke out, I'm surprised the security personnel didn't break out the wrestling style helmets again. I wonder when those went out of use.
6:40 gray actually picks up a lot of color, depending on the fabric
PT uniforms are pretty normal in any service. You do push ups, sit ups, runs and other PT tests in them, but you also don't wear them in combat. Myopia anyone?
I love the white and gray flight suits from voyager
Really liked your series as a whole. Ill admit my favourite variant of the uniform is the TOS film/ Wrath Of Kahan style uniform followed by the TNG film/ Dominion war uniform for the same reasons you had mentioned. In a sense, the TOS film uniform seemed more of a dress uniform while TNG film seemed more of a duty uniform with all of its variants. I admit the Red Coloure of the TOS film uniform was a turn off, the style was there. Just my opinion.
I agree, though I'd put the TNG film era uniform (i.e. First Contact-Nemesis / latter end of DS9) ahead of the Star Trek II-VI uniform in terms of my favorites, but for the same reasons, in general, more professional IMO.