Tech Lore : Starfleet Space Pajamas and Sexy Betazoids
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In today's tech lore we'll be discussing the Starfleet Uniforms.. Part 3 of 4.. Let's discuss them wearing space Pajamas and Sexy Betazoids .. Oh yea and the uniforms from Uniforms from 2260 into the 2300's.
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Roddenberry on the set of TNG Season 1:
"POWERRRRRR!
UNNNNNLIMITEDDDD POWWWEEEERRRR!!!"
Security Officer: "The Federation Council will decide your fate."
Roddenberry: "I am the Council."
;)
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!!
Sir Patrick before Season 3: "My chiropractor suggested I sue you unless I get a better costume."
Roddenberry: "OKAY, OKAY, I GIVE!!!"
Theory Confirmed: Roddenberry is Perverted Kirk and Crazy Janeway reincarnated!
Troi's lack of uniform makes a little sense considering she was the counselor, a role where appearing less formal and more open would be useful
And that not-uniform opening up a little cleavage is just a bonus, right?
Here's the thing. Your rl therapist/psychologist is expected to dress appropriately not like she's ready to hit the night club after your session is over like Troi often did.
Chyeah sure, open was definitely the thought.
@xc5647321 xc5647321 I actually think that after Jellico made Troi wear a regular uniform, she realized she actually didn't have to go out of her way to wear civvies, so stuck with the uniform. :)
@xc5647321 xc5647321 I never thought it was flattering, actually, but the kinda long waist-fitted jersey cotton dresses were kind of a comfy thing back then, I had a couple, sans that very open neckline. They tended to cling to tights like that, though. :) But... Future fabrics. :)
Actually the Delta symbol was intended for anyone serving on a Starship, and the Sunburst was for anyone serving on a star base or on a planet. The alternate insignias were created when one of the producers screwed up. there's actually a copy of a memo Gene Roddenberry sent to the guy about it telling him not to do that again. But by that time it sort of became Cannon
Thanks for beating me to this punch.
I know that that was Roddenberry's intention but in my opinion we should go with what was put on the screen. Retcons are annoying and I think there should be as few as possible.
Is it really a retcon though? If someone messed it up I'd view it as more of a continuity error than anything else. The Delta was always meant to be used by a good chunk of Starfleet.
This is true, but by the time an error reinforced it as canon at least once in Omega Glory (if not twice; I forget whether there was supposed to be an alternate explanation for Matt Decker), and then was further confirmed in In A Mirror Darkly, I think the canon onscreen evidence has to override the original intent. At this point, the evidence for the each-to-their-own far outwieghs the original intent and causes direct contradictions and continuity errors if one assumes it is supposed to be authoritative... so being returned to as a rule in the recent media *despite* the evidence that has piled up in the intervening 50 years, doesn't really work, and pits them directly against established onscreen rules.
So, while you are totally right on original itnent... the way the franchise evolved and 50 years of hindsight still makes a bone-headed thing to do for Discovery and the JJ-verse (and one that I'm sure was far more cynically based on branding and marketability than any desire to honor Gene's original conception.) :-)
Okay, hopefully that's as nerdy as I get this week. ;-)
As far as explaining the half-dozen insignias seen on screen, this article (www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained) offers up some ideas.
The only outlier really are the badges seen in "The Omega Glory", everything else can be chalked up to non-starship assigned officers. There's plenty of deltas seen on other officers in "Court Martial" after all. This image I found online (i.imgur.com/NnUA1Nw.jpg) offers the idea that some of the insignias belong to different founding members of the Federation and their respective exploration branches (a simple but effective theory).
Regarding the Defiant's insignias seen in IAMD, Bob Justman's memo had published in "Inside Star Trek: The Real Story" in 1991 so there's really no excuse for ENT to get it wrong nearly a decade later - the insignias in IAMD were a retcon, pure and simple. The deltas in DSC and JJ-Trek are really just a return to form.
At the worst they are retconning a retcon.
Marina Sirtis actually referred to the "Scant" as the "Cosmic Cheerleader Outfit". She also commented on the yellow belt she had to wear with it and said they might as well have just put arrows around her pointing at her waist that said "fat".
considering the producers who forced her to were the 'fat' sash said unequivocally she looked fat on her stomach...I saw the pics before and I didn't think there was anything wrong.
She also quite liked being in the uniform and said something along the lines of 'when my cleavage went away, Troi got her brains back'
I love classic sci fi for this. In "A new hope" Princess Leia isn't wearing anything underneath her dress because "there's no underwear in space" as told by George Lucas.
So the people in the costume department get blamed for "forcing" the performers to look "fat"? They aren't the ones eating too much chocolate ice cream, avoiding exercise, being lazy and overindulgent.
I always thought Weasly was just wearing a civilian sweater, not an official uniform.
I maintain the uniforms seen in TWOK onward was the result of mass protests and riots from the Fair Treatment for Redshirts officer union.
Or the just TOS cast screaming, "WE CAN'T PEE IN THESE THINGS!!!" throughout the entirety of TMP. ;)
"You don't need pockets if you have nothing to hide" - Unnamed Starfleet diplomat, and uniform designer.
There was also kind of a thing where in secondary materials I guess a lot of stuff was supposed to have just some kind of high-tech velcro substitute. I don't think they ever mentioned it, just sometimes had phasers or holsters just kind of sewn to the costumes. Trust a gal on this, though, lack of pockets is just annoying. :)
The late 2270s officer uniforms are based on 18th and 19th century Royal Navy uniforms. The red was symbolically making every character a redshirt. Remember Star Trek took inspiration from a series of historical fiction novels about a Napoleonic era Royal Navy officer named Horatio Hornblower. Elements of Horatio Hornblower's personality are seen in Captain Christopher Pike, James T. Kirk and Jean Luc Picard.
Troi wears her space pyjamas, gets to hang out on the bridge.
I wear the same space pyjamas and I get "Sir, you cannot wear that here, this is a Whole Foods."
I wasn't a fan of Troi's casual wear, but Jellico did have a point; you should be in uniform on the bridge.
Jellico rocks for many reasons, and this is one of them
AH! its like the real military wasting money every couple of years pointlessly redesigning the uniform
UrbanImposter cough cough US NAVY cough cough
You forgot the Army who replaced the older ACU's at record speed. on the other hand if your hunting sage grouse then they're awesome.
Yeah, we went from the old BDUs, to the 'blend in with concrete rubble' ACUs, to the MultiCams that we weren't allowed to wear outside of Afghanistan, to OCP which... looks like a faded set of BUDs.
You're welcome taxpayers!
@@flyboymb Don't forget that stupid fucking beret, one of the advantages of having a size 7 3/4 head is it took forever for me to get one so I got to keep my PC for awhile.
The "nurses are hot" bit had me dying
Crusher is a doctor, not a nurse, though.
That sounds more like McCoy's line.
Wait, you're showing the TNG Season 3+ uniform whilst talking about Seasons 1 & 2, then when you start describing the variation with the collar (from Season 3 on) you switch to a pic of the older jumpsuit version from Seasons 1 & 2! What that actual?!
Roddenberry went power-mad by TNG, and the uniforms are just the tip of the iceberg. This is why you *always* have someone on-staff specifically to tell you 'no' when your idea is stupid.
Prime example: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. George Lucas wanted to make the movie about a haunted house. Obviously, someone told him no.
Thomas George Lucas had absolute power on the prequels (well except for fanboy rage making him give up his idea for Darth Jar Jar reveal in 2nd or 3rd film).
As for Roddenberry, he originally wanted Betazoid females to have six breast, they managed to talk him out of that one. If they did have the ability to have six babies at once, why wasn't the Federation overrun with rapidly breeding litters of Betazoid telepaths?
Didn't he also want the Ferengei to have massive cod pieces and to graphically describe the various sex positions they used with regularity in there debate episode and had to be convinced not too?
Bob Smith I heard that as well.
Do you ever check your vids before uploading?
You seem to always mix up your photos and talk about stuff that isn’t even on the screen.
Nah
Cloud Zilla is right man. I have no idea what uniforms you’re taking about. You had me confused because you were describing the seasons one and two TNG uniforms while showing season 3 and later TNG uniforms and then vice versa later on.
Also, a few more pics on the variants of the uniforms would be helpful. I couldn’t picture what versions you were talking about because all you were showing was a group shot of the latter TNG uniforms for the nearly the second half of your video.
I get you want to delve into the depths of Trek lore but you should put more time into really editing these vids so it’s crystal clear what you’re taking about.
No need to rush them; we can wait until they’re perfect.
I do like your channel though. I especially love how you call the writers and producers out on ridiculous mistakes and lazy writing-like all the Star Trek: Nemesis commentary!
So keep up the good work. Just take your time polishing these vids; they’re good!
Agree with this comment, I appreciate all the hard work that has gone into these videos and all the research that has been done. Nonetheless this is a product that is being delivered for consumption (I’m presuming these videos are monetised) and a lot of mistakes have crept into the videos. The whole premise seems to be about comparing real life militaries uniforms to those of Star Trek. However, that is seldom done, and when that analysis is undertaken it’s shallow and only really focusing on American uniforms. Also, the TNG era uniforms may look fairly different from modern equivalents in the rank insignia is in line with modern navies (three solid equals three gold rings which denotes commander, four for a captain etc). Also, I may be wrong but based on other mistakes it seems disingenuous to have claimed in a previous video that it was deliberate choice to put US Army outfits when describing naval attire. The fact LR didn’t realise that there were different types of military uniform (dress, battle etc) suggests that they wouldn’t be able to distinguish one dark uniform from another.
The references to valid constructive criticism in the videos and the comments sections doesn’t seem to have been handled particularly well and comes across as very defensive. Not a great look for a small TH-camr trying to grow the channel and relying on an audience who are probably so into the detail of the ST universe that they’ve decided to check these videos out to begin with.
As for the different uniforms in the waiters and janitorial staff and such. Services, i.e. cooks gym staff and other services of the like, do have different uniforms that other military jobs. There is a parallel in real life.
Also I thought the red uniforms looks like they stole them from Mounties. All they needed was a Smokey the bear hat
please sir, it is a campaign hat. Benton Fraser would like you to refer to it correctly.
Seven of Nine uniforms ae the best...
I once read a Seven/T'Pol fic...
I think that seven tpol and deanna actually looked better when in offical uniform
+S C
Troi definitely! Seven was blatendly sexualized (in story a case of pervy Doctor?) , while compared to Troi and T'pol, Seven's character was so much more interesting and utilized as being more than just walking boobs. Sure, it was a great treat for a young boy in puberty like myself, but Jeri Ryan's performance didn't need that much sex appeal to be a powerful addition to the show. Putting Jeri in a uniform might have also helped to sooth Kate Mulgrew's demeanor towards Jeri a bit.
From what I understand Seven was added because Voyagers ratings were starting to go down and to paraphrase cinemas sins. Nothing keeps a show going better then the power of boners.
@@schott106 are you homosexual sir? Not judging.
We do still have the time served stripes for our uniforms. They were just denoted to dress uniforms. I don't know if they are required for ncos and enlisted, but that's where they are most common. They are optional for officers. I think one stripe is for 4 years or something like that, and they are located towards the bottom of the sleeve.
Interesting
Officers generally don't wear the time in service stripes on their dress uniforms, at least in the Army. They also don't wear marksmanship badges. While I've never been able to find a concrete reasoning behind this besides 'just because', the general view on the enlisted side is that while officers can generally award themselves all kinds of medals to make them outshine their subordinates, they can't make up for the fact that their senior NCOs have been in for many years longer than they have and they don't want to admit that they are worse shots than most enlisted in their unit.
Oh so many hours I have spent on the range waiting for some Lieutenant who couldn't justify being issued an M9 to finally get enough lucky shots to barely qualify with an M16.
@@flyboymb From what I've heard is they don't wear the time in service stripes anymore because they don't want people to know how long they've been in one rank. For example, a career lieutenant or captain. As I said, it's completely optional for them to wear it, but they generally don't in all branches I believe.
TIS stripes have nothing to do with Time in Grade, they're totally different concepts. You're also unlikely to see a career 'any rank' in the officer side of things. Generally, once you're up for promotion, you can either be promoted ahead of the curve, at your expected date of promotion, or behind the curve. Doing the first usually implies that you're going to be going places if you keep the pace up, doing the second puts you with the bulk of all officers, doing the last will likely kill your career.
This is because if you fail to obtain promotion as an officer in any of these three categories, you're done. Officers have no contract with the military, they serve at their branch's convenience. This means they can only ask to leave the service before they reach retirement age and their particular branch has every right to deny them that request.
In the case of the Army at least, just look at AR 670-1 and find regulation 21-28. The very start of it only states that enlisted personnel can wear service stripes. If they are enlisted after having been a commissioned officer, the years spent as an officer can be worn, but there's nothing in the reg stating that officers are allowed to wear service stripes and trust me, 670-1 is VERY specific in making those distinctions (but if there was any question, DA PAM 670-1 straight up states enlisted only).
The reasoning behind this is the image of officer leadership. As a Lieutenant, you would be in charge of a good number of enlisted men and women. You need them to trust your judgement, follow your orders without question, and give you the respect that your position deserves (if not you as a person). In the days where the dress uniform was the standard duty uniform for anything not involving the field or the motor pool, this would make such a standard hard to achieve as you would be advertising to every PFC or SPC that they had more time in service than you if those stripes were on your jacket. Never mind if you're standing next to your Platoon Sergeant in front of the Joes and Janes and they see that he has a gold block going halfway up his arm while you might have one.
Overseas service stripes are allowed on the officers' uniforms however. Uncoincidentally, it is possible for an officer to accrue many more of those than many enlisted if he/she goes on a few deployments.
And you may well be right about other branches. I can only claim to be a SME about Army uniform policy.
If you are an SME on Army uniforms, you would know those stripes are not "overseas" service stripes, but combat stripes. You can't go to Korea or Japan or Germany for 3 years and come back with a bunch of stripes. I think each stripe is for 6 months of combat duty. I remember seeing some POW getting some award (Vietnam I think), this guy had stripes all up his arm given his years in a POW camp.
I for one, look forward to a future where one can go to work every day in space pajamas.
I would've loved it if TNG had everyone in the Picard Jacket variants & had pockets for stashing tricorders and other equipment such as hypospray vials instead of the velcro addon pouches.
How did I miss this series?!? Very well done, I've enjoyed it!
A uniform designed for an air conditioned ship
Amen
You forgot the most important innovation of the TNG era …
Elastic stirrups at the bottom of the trouser cuffs.
And you never mentioned the 'Picard maneuver'.
But there are some unanswered questions : What about Starfleet species that had colour vision in a different range to humans?
What was the medical function of Seven of Nine's uniform - besides causing localised high blood pressure in surrounding crewmen (and viewers*), and what medical needs required high heels (Borg implants affected her posture?) and a corset with push up cups?
What about species with different anatomy to humans (Roddenberry originally wanted Betazoid females to have six breast, they managed to talk him out of that one. If they did have the ability to have six babies at once, why wasn't the Federation overrun with rapidly breeding litters of Betazoid telepaths)?
What was the deal with Wesley's casual uniform on the bridge, was he playing homage to ice cream?
How did Tasha Yar's sister (image search her) feel about being given an aquamarine jumpsuit that displayed camel toe (Brent Spinners internal monologue "an android wouldn't look, an android wouldn't look")?
*Voyager was available on video tape way before being screened on my local network, and I got the tape of her character introduction as a crewmember about a week after it was released at the video store. The revelation scene of her in her slinky new outfit was distorted and had tape faults from being held on pause for way too long…
It was a primitive time, before internet porn.
A bit of trivia, the original Borg drone outfit for Jeri Ryan almost killed her. In the scene where she first appeared as a independent drone and stepped out of her alcove, Jeri Ryan turned her head to address one of the other actors and promptly fainted in full costume. Turns out the neck cuff of her Drone getup cut off blood flow through her carotid artery whenever she turned her head, and if a crewman hadn't immediately put her head back to a safe position she would have died or suffered severe brain damage due to lack of blood flow to the brain. And then once she gets into her catsuit outfit Jeri Ryan lamented that she was never eating anything but salad ever again.
And for those that think a real man can't wear a skort, may I present to you
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Their motto is "Call it a skirt, I dare you".
Isn't the Picard maneuver just letting visitors walk around the ship unsupervised?
Seven is a civie she shouldn't have a uniform and she can wear what she pleases. So the answer is quite literally that's what she chose to wear....
@@LanMandragon1720 Technically,the Doctor made that..atleast the first outfit^^
Also on the topic of roddenberry: according to the writers he was a menace. Accordibg to the actors he was that genial grandad/dad/uncle/ bright shining brilliant light being of goodness and kindness and supportiveness that gently guides and helps as only a father can.
Will wheaton, loved the man and a second father. The actresses who played troi and crusher also loved the man like a father and were very close with his wife (who played nurse chappel in tos and loxona troi in stng) according to them she mothered everybody in the kindest and gentlest way possible much like her husband did.
Sounds like the same attributes of a cult leader.
There is much confusion regarding the delta shield during the TOS era. There was never any intention for the Enterprise to be the only ship to bear the delta. There was one anomaly in The Omega Glory where starship personnel were sporting a different emblem. That was a mistake; a mistake that motivated Robert Justman to send out a memo to clarify the matter. In the memo, Justman clearly, and sternly, but with humour and understanding, explains to Theiss that "Under penalty of death" all starship officers will bear the delta shield. Apparently, Theiss saw that in Charlie X two starship personnel were wearing different emblems and so understandably assumed that each ship must have a different emblem. No, in Charlie X the personnel were Merchant Marines. If you watch TOS you will see that other starship personnel actually sport the delta shield (ie Court Martial), aside from The Omega Glory, which was just an honest mistake. In TOS, different types of postings (ie starbase, fleet command, outpost, cadet, flag officer, starship) had different emblems. Everyone points to Matt Decker, but he was a flag officer, not a captain, and so he got a special emblem.
Anyway, glad that's cleared up because the idea of Starfleet changing their emblem to the delta shield because the Enterprise was special is dumb and cheesy. Seriously.
But here's an awesome article that explains all the emblems and confusion regarding the matter much better than I did: www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained
That makes more sense anyway. Kirk is often treated like hell (for no discernible reason) by the Admiralty and other command officers, so the idea that they'd change all of Starfleet for him and the Enterprise makes no sense.
@@Swiftbow Right? Kirk was an excellent commander, but he was just a guy. It's such a stupid fanboy notion to have Starfleet worship Kirk so much that they adopt his symbol for all of Starfleet. It's honestly something I would come up with when I was 9 years old. It makes the Star Trek universe smaller, as well, because it treats Kirk as if he's a god, when he's just a guy who's really good at his job.
@@avenuePad Exactly. Kirk is my favorite captain. But this notion just isn't... logical.
You had me at "nurses are hot". After that, you could have said that following the TNG era, Star Fleet Command insisted that all flag officers be dressed in pink, fluffy bunny suits, and I would have believed you.
You should continue the series to address how uniforms on DS9 were different than uniforms on other ships at the start of the show..hell it was still different by the time Worf joins DS9. Then it changes a few times and the rest of the fleet catches up.
Somehow, it does't really surprise me that Starfleet had literal scantily-clad female officers running around their starships as a matter of policy.
(Also, you're spot on in that nurses can absolutely be stunning - just, make sure you don't get on their bad side, because they know how to shut people down in a hurry...)
I got showed an ad for Star trek Discovery season 2 right before I watch this video. I about fell on my ass laughing.
The obvious recon for the delta shield which they do not as far as I know use is that the delta shield was a reference to the Fleet command not the ship specifically explaining the other badges seen used by Personal from other ships and commands. That would have placed ships seen in Discovery and the new movies starting at 2009 all in the same fleet as the Enterprise. Too bad they did not explain it this way but as with everything Trek there is still time to do so.....
"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
I recall reading a technical manual that predates TNG and all the retconning.... that Starfleet adopted the "Delta" because the USS Enterprise and her crew was so Iconic that the Enterprise and her crew became synonymous with Starfleet.... Though production wise it was cheaper and easier than having to create new emblems every time a new ship came up.
Actually the issue with the Delta Insignia was cleared up via an old memo from the studio. All starfleet ships wore the Delta in all generations of the series. www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained
I was going to comment on how wrong you were, but since it helps you I won't.
This video is meaner than usual and I LOVE IT!
Haha I am not a fan..may scale that back a bit
Lore Reloaded 😂😂😂😂 it made my day. I have to admit I never questioned 2270's uniform till this video lol
I'm loving it too
pls dont! i need this after 9 hours of customer service!
What the federation really needs? Utili-kilts. Because real men wear skirts.
Mother of god..
You're welcome :)
Plenty of air flow for those long shifts.
Sky Bennett
Most Scottish men never wear them these days (except as formal wear). Too impractical/dangerous in most workplaces.
@Dr Demento Minor details.
Troy probably wore that outfit to be less intimidating considering she was a counselor on a ship where the military outfit probably gave people anxiety.
@Lore Reloaded I can feel your pain in this video. All this just trying to make sense of the uniforms.
Regarding the Skant; it existed because William Ware Theiss was the original costume designer for TNG (before Robert Blackman took over), who was also the costume designer for the Original Series. It was his idea in the 60s--with encouragement from Grace Lee Whitney, who played Yeoman Janice Rand--to have the women of the Starship Enterprise wear miniskirts, because those were the popular fashion at the time, during the "Mod" and "Hippie" years; a reaction to the demure fashions worn by women on TV in the 40's and 50's. According to Whitney, she liked the idea of wearing a miniskirt because it reminded her of how women looked in comic books she read as a child; that, and she came from a song-and-dance background, as did Nichelle Nichols, who played Uhura. If you watch any musical revue shows from that era, women on stage often wore costumes designed to accentuate the female figure (Barbara Eden did it ALL THE TIME). The Skant of TNG was more or less an homage to that costume, and was de-emphasized for much of the first season, relegated to just background extras after "Encounter at Farpoint", and then discontinued altogether by the second season (save for a couple of pant-laden cameos in episodes like "The Child" and "The Outrageous Okona"). Roddenberry's original notion was to have the female crew members wearing slacks and a pullover top, similar to the male officers ("The Cage", "Where No Man Has Gone Before"); a much more egalitarian view than would be suggested by later costume choices that were not necessarily under his control (after all, he was the series creator and first executive producer, but not the showrunner; that was Maurice Hurley in seasons 1-2, and Michael Piller from season 3 onwards). However, can you imagine the original Star Trek WITHOUT the miniskirts? Would it hold the same status in TV history as it does today? Would this even be a discussion had Star Trek retained the original look its creators had in mind for the first two pilots?
I like to think during the time of the Kirk movies that the colors refer to A different coding system than what they were assigned to do. Perhaps maybe it was a reference to what they studied in the Academy and that the system more nuanced than the other shows. For instance if I worked on a ship during wartime knowing that I was an engineer may not be enough. You might want to know whether I studied structures or warp field. I also like to think that the strange colors might have been a from a system that had nothing to do with their ship function perhaps like a qualification badge. For instance you may be an engineer but if you also had a certification as a pilot or it might make more sense for you to wear a different color So that no one orders you to fly during the battle if you can't pilot.
3:34 that jacket in ST:IV did demonstrate a continuity gaff, however - Scotty had already reached the rank of Captain (not frocked, either), and the jacket only shows him as a Commander. STVI remedies this, as he is in his full Duty uniform at the dinner with the Klingon dignitaries, and you can clearly see him in Engineering Gold but with a Captain's pin.
Also, when wearing his Engineering Duty Uniform, Scotty was able to wear a white shirt as he bore the rank of Captain, making him Engineering AND Command, and basically the man 'in charge' in that area of the ship. a lower ranking Chief Engineering Officer would be wearing gold, not white.
You're definitely right about some "uniforms" looking like PJs. LOL!!! XD
You say "retcon" like TOS didn't do that all the time. Even Kirk's middle name changed. Oh, and a refit Crossfield-class showed up in Spacedock in Star Trek III.
Oh? That remastered or the original?
It's the original Ralph McQuarrie model the Crossfield was based on
So it's not the actual cross field we see in STD?
Got a link, pic or timestamp?? I'd be intresting in hunting for it as with all the time I've see The Search for spock I don't recall any other ships in the dock
space jammies so the crew is always ready for naptime, which is nice for them
I'm really enjoying this series. Hope you do more like this.
Roddenberry began to lose his shit in the late-70s/early-80s after Paramount bumped him up to what amounted to a neutered executive producer with zero creative control when production of Wrath of Khan began and for the rest of the film series. sure, he could make suggestions and offer story ideas, but no one was required to actually listen to him. running TNG was pretty much payback on his part
Strike him down with hate comments and he will only become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Wrong franchise 😎
Modern doctors don't wear sleeves or ties because the fabric could collect bacteria and is harder to disinfect. So that's realistic at least. ( not sure if anyone else pointed that out so far).
Love the look of the Star Trek of the 80's officers uniform, but I'd hate to have to wear it reagularly in the field. I was under the impression it was for dress uniform occasions, not daily wear.
Thank god it's the last one!
Look forward to the next last one. And also the other last one. On that topic, when is that one last video coming? The one about the last thingie or whatever.
Fyi...the US armed forces offer maternity wear as well although pregnant women are not allowed in front line combat areas they are allowed to serve in rear areas such as offices and hospitals.
sure
Mad Rabbit isn't wrong.
ok
Lore Reloaded Is that sarcasm?
It's me acknowledging that the US services offer maternity wear?
"Make me more powerful than you can imagine"
Oh fuck ... Lore's a Sith!
If lost some weight I'd actually wear a skant...
Gene roddenberry was a saint and you're wrong!!!!
Noticed the Star Wars reference around 6:40.
Lores right though.. they STILL couldnt have least sprung for pockets?? They shouldve.
Discovery isn't set in the Prime Universe, nor the Kelvin Universe, but an entirely new universe which the new Picard series will also be set in.
Wish they had done a dress version of the monster maroons with the white instead of maroon and black on the inside flap. Could have had a white bomber jacket version too.
Why does starfleet securitiy officers only have have security armour between tue 2270's to early 2300's amd on discovery tactial way missions. Where was tue body armour during st enterprise, tos, tng, ds9, voy.
White: Command
Gold: Flight Ops and Engineering
Light Green: Medical
Dark Grey: Ops
Blue/Grey: Sciences
Dark Green: Security and Tactical
Dark Blue: Marines
Sky Blue: Services but was suppose to be Sciences
Tan: Ops, Bridge Officer on Reliant
Black: Enlisted but had Department Color on epaulets... Officer could also wear this Uniform as well
Costuming at Paramount used colors that filmed well while screwing with continuity and fans because... Well, it was Paramount.
About the surgical scrubs and Deadpool; not all races have red blood, like Vulcans (Green), Klingons (Purple), and Andorians (blue). Funny though.
I've cosplayed in a TWOK uniform, and despite how it looks uncomfortable, it's surprisingly comfortable. Based on my own subjective experience anyways. The uniform can get hot in certain situations, yes, but it's very much good in other situations. (I wore it while sitting in the audience for a costume contest, and just from the fact of having hundreds of people in the same theater, it was the 69th World Con, it got pretty dang hot. So the desert planet comment isn't that far off. But in temperate and cooler climes, that uniform is plenty helpful. Especially in the hall way of an overly air conditioned convention center. The uniform was otherwise not in the way in most situations, and performed admirably. Plus, it's my favorite design next to the TOS and later TNG era uniforms.)
Can you please do an entire video of Counselor Troi in that night gown? Oh, and show plenty of close ups. Please and thank you.
I'm not sure you can use a scene from "The Naked Now" to conclude that something was or was not required uniform protocol
How dare you sulley the name of the great Roddenberry. a curse upon you sir.
If you want how to see how Starship vs. Starbase insignia were supposed to work, look at the episodes The Menagerie Pt 1 and Court Martial.
RODDENBERRY! There, did that help you get stronger, Lore?
I appreciate Roddenberry in many ways except for but a few of his idea. One that humans without the need of earning a living will you die in space or some hell planet "to better one self"
An that Star Fleet isn't a military.
The delta insignia across the fleet wasn't a DSC/Kelvin retcon; it was always intended to be the badge for Starship personal, despite what 1970s fanon believed
www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained
Yea, I've seen that
Unconvinced? Fair enough :-)
I hope you've seen Ketowolski's video on the subject though - a great take on the topic!
th-cam.com/video/ztQdfkdYakc/w-d-xo.html
Honestly, I'm not seeing any hate here! Who's the one heaping the logs?
Eh, I just took it as a "crazed" OTT reaction fairly typical of the Lore Reloaded character. Had it not featured the factual inaccuracy I would have chuckled and made no comment.
And the fact is, the delta HAS been (over)used extensively in JJ's and DSC's marketing. In TOS, the delta was just the insignia of UESPA Starships. It wasn't emblazoned on boots, tricorders, woven into the shirts, bed sheets etc etc
I enjoy JJ and DSC but not to the extent of being blind to their flaws
I love the skate/scan feature of the YT UI
Oh?
Thanks for blowing my speakers dude...
Sorry
Speaking as a contributor to Memory Alpha (and Memory Beta) - you're welcome.
I think Scotty wore white after his promotion to captain in stIII engineering was, what yellow or something?
I do disagree about the formal-looking maroon uniforms, they actually a) look sharper to me than most Trek uniforms, nonsensical department color schemes aside, and b) This being sci-fi I tend to assume that the 23rd century Federation has access to better clothing technology than the wardrobe and props department at Paramount Pictures. (ie, that they could *make* them comfortable. )
The uniforms at 5.15 were recycled older USMC uniforms and the great bird eventually admitted the men with the bridge crew was the ships Federation Maine Away Team
If I strike you down, you shall become more powerful than I could ever imagine
We have military ranks, courtmartials, JAGs, obscenely heavily armed ships and fight all of the Federations wars... But we're totally not the military!
Right!?
Well.. it does make sense for a species that has empathic and telepathic abilities to be more... open about sexuality. I mean... if you can read everybodys thoughts you 'd have to find ways...
Let's face it, the uniforms were just what ever the hell they wanted.
The first time you see Picard wearing the over jacket uniform is in Darmok. Very convenient that he wasn't wearing a skimpy jumpsuit on that cold planet.
Hey I agree with you about Roddenberry, but what the hell, FEED THE YOUYUBE ALGORITHM MACHINE. !!!!
Yaaay!
There's an article on the official website explaining the delta badge issue. It was always meant to be the emblem worn by all starship personnel fleet-wide. www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained
No example pics for the whole last section?
Oh my God!! I love the edginess! AND nurses are hot!
The counselor's uniform never made sense from a uniform sense
I loooooove this series! It would be cool if you could do an STO uniform contest or something, but you probably don't have the time or resources for something like that right now.
6:30 Was that a Star Wars reference!
You Bastard!
I don’t get your issue with officers wearing something more formal it happens in the navy all the time what’s your deal
I have to wonder if the Betazoids were allowed to do there own thing because of the whole telepath/empath thing, they can, quite literally crippple there whole section of ship, when they're uncomforrtable, as every problem they have becomes everyone elses, and it might just be easier to just say, screw it do what you like, they never show this, but given the laxidazical attempts they made at pretending to be a military at that point, would it really be all that surprising
Mind you in any knid of realistic setting this is a reason to bar Betazoids from service, in rolls as anything but on assignment specialists, and this is partially projecting powers on betazoids that they don't display, probably as it's more a sign of an out of control empath/telepath, but Star Fleet recruited Deana Troi
How have you skipped over the Duty Coveralls in TOS and Next Gen.?
They were mentioned
There's something wrong with any uniform scheme that gives the same colors to Troi and actual competent officers.
A few missteps in matching the pictures with the “material” under discussion.
Are they missteps?
Lore Reloaded starting around 8:11 would be the most glaring example, but there were others. You didn’t even show the cadet uniform or Picard’s jacket. Love the videos and I know you’re probably concerned about overwhelming the viewers with too many images, but I think we can take more than you’re showing.
So, I know you've stated over and over again that you adhere strictly to alpha cannon, being what's on screen, but there WAS an internal memo at one point during production of TOS that the Delta emblem was meant for ALL starship duty uniforms, despite the missteps of what ended up happening on-screen. "Under penalty of DEATH!" as was joked in the memo.
Yea, ive seen that..its interesting to watch behind the scenes
@@LoreReloaded For sure! Especially having gone to school for video production, I looove looking at BTS stuff, even if it isn't cannon.
POWER!
Yeah, now I have a series of videos to use as a jumping off point to explain the uniform changes.
Hope it helps.. feel free to give me feedback
Lore Reloaded you do an amazing job showing pictures which is great. But (and this is neither here nor there, because you usually do) the only complaint I had fun my friends is it you be awesome, where possible, to use lead characters as references. But they aren't hardened Trekkie like us.
Wait, did you mention Worf's weird chest belt thing?
bradwolf07 that was one of Star fleet's cultural allowances. They do allow the uniform to be SLIGHTLY modified due to cultural beliefs and such.
Canis Arcani ah yes thank you.
Yea that's what I was referring to and even showed a picture. I'll be more clear next video
Lore Reloaded it was probably my bad. I sometimes miss things and have to rewatch something to get it
The TWOK uniforms are works of art.
Continually calling out CBS and paramount for tossing official canon in the ditch. I LOVE this guy!!
I got the deadpool joke too. And nice slip-in with the nurses 😀
The ST 2-6 uniforms look good and comfortable to me. Second only to the dominion war uniforms.
But, that’s just my opinion your results may vary.
Nurses are awesome
Oh yes, the space pijamas.... the silliest clothes I saw in sci di as a standard uniform
I'm trying to design a uniform of the 2420s