I think one page Clockwerk definitely took was Sly's father's pages, and for whatever reason, he kept that page on him when he burned, which would explain why Sly never learned the laser slide.
With how torn up it was in the first place and given that each page (based on their different sizes prior to the book being torn up) was likely an addition made by each family member who wrote in it, it's possible that a few missing pages could go unnoticed during its repair. Especially since repairing a traditionally bound book isn't like just taping the pages back into place, it's more like sewing, so all the page stubs left in would be removed from the cover first.
@@IGSA101 Its also possible that he just hadn't gotten around to writing down the technique yet. We don't know if his father was still active or retired by the time of the attack but with Sly knowing his family history prior to the attack and having at least what we can view as a foundation of skill we can infer that maybe Sly had already begun his lessons and his dad was still active.
Yet did he ever have a TRUE life before he even encountered the Coopers? A wife and children? Friends? If so, his hatred and jealousy had to been immense to cause him to just up and leave his perfect life behind without even looking back once. Probably his family and friends tried repeatedly to talk some reason and sense into him over his obsession for the family of raccoon thieves, but Clockwerk refused to listen to them at all. His hate eventually overcame and destroyed his mortal being and nothing, not even the pleas of his own kids worried for their dad's transformation, would ever be able to snap Clockwerk back to reality. The title of master thief being only accessible by killing the Cooper legacy, Clockwerk literally abandoned his life essence in a now full-scale genocide mission to destroy them, eventually becoming a mechanical monstrosity.
Personal theory: Setting aside the swapped levels, I believe there are perfectly canon reasons for tthe Fiendish FIve to take the main pages theydid. Rayleigh, being a frog, would have shown interest in Rioichi's jumping technique. (Whether or not he mastered it is unknown.) Mugshot, being a city boy, would have been interested in the skateboard like actions in Tennessee's part of the book, but as mentioned later he apparently could never read them. Mz Ruby would have been into the dark magic qualities involved in Slytunkhamen;s shadow magic, while Panda King could use the machinery schematics in Otto's portion to improve his fireworks and rockets. Clockwerk would have taken the rest so that Sly would come find him one day. I also have a pet theory that the Thevius Raccoonus is written in code. Only Cooper family members know how to crack the code unless they tell other people how to do so.
I just realized that the Clockwerk is a metaphor. When you are always fueled by jealousy and hatred, especially for someone, you become a shell of your former self. Clockwerk's metal body represents the hollowness of what he once was. And that it can literally last forever.
The pages I think he stole were the ones about him. In Sly 2, Sly mentioned when going after Clockwerk's eyes and talons that the Thievious Racoonous described what they're capable of. But just before facing Clockwerk at the end of the first game with the pages he recovered from the other 4 villains, Sly knew nothing about him other than his shadow being in his ancestors' pictures. As to why, I think it was in case his other allies planned to betray him or when Sly confronts him and the pages had info on how to best him.
Henriette Cooper was the only cooper in history, besides Sly's father, to have ever encountered Clockwerk. Most likely, you're right, the pages he had were the ones about him and what Henriette wrote.
The bottles in the game were a means to open a vault in each level. Unlocking a minor portion of the theivious racconus. So yes, they did have taken several pages.
Very interesting Theories. I liked the see Clockwerk Return in Sly 5, and know more of his backstory and why he started the hate Sly's Ancestors so much...nice video as always
The statement about his hatred and bring able to feel it and how the next Cooper in line is always born is because, as he stated in the game, he wanted to prove that the Cooper line would fail without their book but each and every time the child succeded, it made his hatred grow. That's what I think at least.
But... What would he gain by just watching the Coopers fail? Happiness? What comes after? Was it necessary to turn metal just for that? There's something deeper. Reading your theory, Clockwerk fuelled off Coopers succeeding? Hmm...He didn't want them to succeed. Plus, it's assumed he discovered the book later in the future, if he knew about the book already, it probably wouldn't exist anymore.
VTNVIVI not that he wanted them to succeed, but that his hatred grew because they did....but in one of the ancestors images, the Egyptian ancestor, showed him in the background....this may or not confirm he knew about the book but he certainly knew about the Coopers legacy.....so if he really wanted the book gone then he would have done it by now. What do you think?
Don't we know each member of the Fiendish Five, or at least the members other than Clockwerk, took multiple pages about multiple Cooper Ancestors due to the simple fact that you find pages in safes through out the levels?
VTNVIVI Clockwerk only stole one page. In the very last safe that you find all of the clues to Bentley states that it can't be cracked because the clues are all written in a form of an ancient owl dialect and can't be opened until Clockwerk is defeated.
@@SidneyMosley Does not explain the pages Sly mentions ripping from Clockwwork's talons before they fell into the lava/magma of the volcano. As he will say this regardless of getting the final page from the one and only vault he secured himself personally - of the ability that could arguably save Sly the most against him if left unchecked.
It would've been cool if in the beggining of sly 3 dr. M and Clockwerk had a deal, where clockwerk told M the location of the cooper vault and in exchange dr. M showed where cooper's house is.
You know, it would make sense if the pages Clockwerk took included the ones that described him. Of course he'd want to keep Sly from learning anything about him before their battle. And while it's been a bit since I last played Sly 2, I'm pretty sure that one brings up the Thievious Raccoonus containing notes on what the Clockwerk parts can do, like how sharp his talons are and the hypnotic properties of his eyes
I think it's possible, given Clockwerk's personality in the first game, he stole those particular pages as they made mention of him and wanted to know what information the Coopers had on him. He's evidently very vain and perhaps wanted acknowledgment from his mortal enemies that he was a threat. It was both for fact-finding and for pride.
i agree about your theory about Clockwerk keeping the Cooper children alive, he needs them to continue the line so he has something to hate, kinda ironic really
Without them, his hate chip would had ceased to function and Clockwerk would already rusted into oblivion long ago. His hate is what kept him going. He stopped truly living and breathing eons ago. It's rather terrifying to look at it this way.
I think your theory about Clockwerk taking pages related to him make sense when you consider the line from the start of The Cold Heart of Hate. The fact that there were no clear images of him in the pieces recovered and with the police and the references in Sly 2 about the talons rending steel, or the eyes stopping people in their tracks, and the potential of the heart. So he probably took Heinrette's piece, and maybe a few others who took notes on how he fights.
This series is great. I’m glad my dad got me sly 3 as a kid. Played it and loved it then got the other two so i started out of order. Fav villains are easily clockwerk and Jean bison
The answer is more simple than that. I replayed the game again and reaffirmed that clock work left sly alive to prove the cooper clan was nothing without the thevious raccoonous. Either the five was a front to use the other bosses as pawns so that if any of them defeated sly while they had the knowledge of sly's ancestors while sly did not, proving his point. Or even better. To lure sly slowly to clockwork with a big showdown, but didn't go to his plan
If you take Sly 4 ending into consideration where Sly ends up in ancient Egypt, it makes sense that Sly becomes the progenitor of his clan and with his knowledge of Clockwerk, he could have left clues for his ancestors/descendants.
My theory about Sly being stuck in Egypt :" We all know sly is stuck in egypt and there is no way he can travel in time again, what if he is the Sly Tunkhamen himself (the creator of the thievius raccoonus) and what if sly ancestors in the present are sly's children, sly is in egypt so he can start the cooper bloodline". That for me make sence because sly tunkhamen look similar to sly and they have literally the same canes.
10:50 while Clockwerk was mentioned in the book, we didn’t see these pages until Sly 2, in Sly 1, Sly was only able to see images of a shadowy avian figure, so the pages could have been about how he was defeated
I’ve always thought the Clockwerk may have had a quite a tragic backstory, in the sense that he may he have been betrayed or took the fall for one of the Coopers in the past, his family were killed as a result and he lost everything that mattered to him. I’m sure that he has time-travelled at some point or met a time traveler as how else would he have gained his advanced robotic body? Maybe he took the pages as a trophy/memento or maybe the book has some hidden secret that Clockwerk discovered that the Cooper gang is still unaware of...
Or maybe he was first bound to his body by magic then upgraded to mostly technology as time went on. I like to imagine that his metal body was originally made of bronze
Your version sounds more interesting but I just like the idea of his body’s design changing over time, (I don’t count his Easter eggs in 4 as Canon, there’s no way he’s been alive since before Bob, but when I first saw him in Japan I was like “Wait......What!...NO!).
The pages that Clockwerk took appear to be at the front and back of the book, I’m not sure if the “thievious racconus” would have these, but a table of contents and index would be located at the front and back. Without these specific pages, nobody would know exactly how many pages there are; how many abilities there are in the book.
When you mentioned that each member got one page, I instantly remembered all the vaults from the different chapters, meaning that each member did get multiple pages from multiple Coopers.
You know I always wondered what page Clockwork took, I could never put my finger on it, but this video really puts half my mind at ease. You know, what your saying makes sense ^^. Keep up the amazing work my friend!
How would clockwerk implement cooper techniques into his work ethic of thieving? He is a bird with no hands or feet just wings and talons. Clockwerk can’t crawl through vents or make a sneaky enterance. I thought it was worth mentioning.
Clockwerk having a love interest? Perhaps in one of the ancient Coopers? Or a Cooper stole from his loved one leading to her demise?! It’s crazy but it JUST MIGHT WORK! For Clockwerk to be able to hate THAT MUCH, he had to have loved equally as powerfully. I had never considered it before, but dude, you just completely changed my perspective on Clockwerk and added huge depth to him. I love it.
After extensively playing the game for years throughout the separate stages for the Fiendish 5 there are other parts of the Racoonus besides that of the certain pages won after defeating certain members that are hidden in other safe's around certain stages of the maps. The very last safe that you find all of the clues to (no matter which country you're in) won't be in crackable until after Clockwerk is defeated (Bentley states that the clues to the very last safe are written in an ancient owl dialect) and it contains arguably the most OP ability in the game. So it's safe to deduce that Clockwerk to spite Sly locked the last safe himself to the final page of the Racoonus.
The way I see it is, each episode had a safe plus the members themselves. As for Clockwerk, sure he had an uncrackable safe, but each member had taken a page which involved an ancestor. Did Clockwerk have pages with him apart from his safe? That's what I'm trying to wrap my head around.
VTNVIVI well seeing as how the Racoonus is completed in it's entirety after the last safe is cracked after Clockwerk is defeated it'd be safe to deduce for now that that was the only page that Clockwerk locked himself in a different country unless he dispersed the other pages he took to the other members of the Fiendish Five (which is also totally plausible.) Now in my opinion Clockwerk not only has a strong hatred, but a strong sense of self pride as well so it'd be reasonable if Clockwerk DIDN'T want to keep any of the Racoonus pages to himself, but to make sure that he was the only thing standing in the way of Sly completing the Racoonus. But that's just my belief 😅
If I had to guess nowadays. I'd say he took the first few pages and likely the last. If he was studying the pages then he would start at the earliest recorded moments of the clan then see how he believed it would end. One thing I hadn't thought about years ago is one that might change things. Clockwork is an advanced machine. How do we know he didnt just scan the entire book? In Sly 2, what peice did Arpgedgio take? He took Clockwerks brain, presumably because it is akin to a supercomputer. I dont have to imagine too wildly that reading a book could take seconds for him IF he even had to physically read it. Memorizing something even as complex as the Thievius Racoonus would be more easy than we can even comprehend for him. So in short I dont think he needed a single page, because he already had every bit of knowledge from it before we even set foot on that rooftop in Paris.
Here is something that could be my headcanon, or the MAKERS' plan. Clockwerk took some pages, but did not keep them (gave them to the FF members). The members did not really care for the pages either, but kept them anyway as proof of their past "accomplishment".
Ok hold up. What about the ancestors pages that were in vaults on each level to get the keys required? That alone debunks the part where they just took those certain ancestors because we were introduced to multiple in those.
Yes the ancestors did hide their extra pages in respective vaults. Clockwerk too! He did have a heavily encrypted one, but had nothing to do with Connor's (Sly's dad) pages.
Something that I never really thought about was the specific ancestors that the fiendish 5 kept in their personal area (their boss fights pages) and how each of the 4 that we know of were similar to that member of the 5 (if that makes sense). Mugshot loved guns, thus tennessee was a natural choice for him. Miss Ruby would have been interested by the mystery of the invisibility technique. Panda king chose his page due to the ancestor being an inventor (at least I assume). As for why Rioichi? I am not sure.
What i want to know is what his original body looked like. They showed his face in the manual, but its not big enough to make much of it to be able to discern what he is.
Love the theory on letting the kids live to fuel his hate. Makes Clockwerk, evil, cunning, and possessing a weakness. I would wager He stole the newest pages. That was why Sly never knew of his father's gang, Cooper Vault, or laser walking skill. Clockwerk had them and were never recovered.
@@VtnVivi Maybe Connor never got the chance to add them into the Thevious Raccoonus. There are also the couple of ancestors featured in the vault who were introduced in 3. Could be their pages. Option 3, the scene in the introduction always gave me the impression Clockwerk took the cover and biding instead of pages. Perhaps keeping that as a trophy of victory and bait to draw Sly to him.
2:08 personally I think each member of the Fiendish Five took multiple pages, and had one page of interest for each of them. As you explained, I know Raleigh and Panda King likely wanted the other’s page due to Panda King likely wanting the ninja spire jump to improve his martial arts and Raleigh wanting Auto Van Cooper’s mechanical expertise. But likely in the rush of tearing the book apart had grabbed extra pages unintentionally. As for said pages, they were the minor ancestors found throughout the safes in the game, likely each member put the extra ones they weren’t particularly fond of in the safes as a useful asset later on.
Also I personally think they should’ve worked out Raleigh’s backstory more. His base and location makes sense, as he’s an amphibian meaning he needs to be near water, and would be perfect for piracy. However they never gave an explanation to why he’s their mechanic and inventor. With everyone else it’s reasonable, Mugshot wanted to be strong so he worked hard to get strong, Ms Rubie came from a family of mystics which explains her magic and voodoo, and Panda king was entranced by the art of fireworks and studied hard to perfect his own craft in fireworks. And afterwards used said skills for demolition and arsonist activities. But for Raleigh they didn’t give an explanation for his mechanical skills.
I always figured he kept the pages of his most hated Coopers. If his hatred for the Coopers is what makes him immortal and him succeeding in his plan could possibly have quelled his hate, having a deep up close and personal reminder of some of his most hated foes could keep the hatred going?
Not just my favorite Sly Cooper villain but also my favorite video game villain in general and here are the reasons *He is immortal *much like Nefarious he once had organic body *there are so many unanswered questions about him *his badass voice *he can repear his body
QUESTION: Have you ever considered making a mascot game of your own in the future? For someone with a lot of passion for these kind of games, it would seem rather fitting.
At first I thought it was Sit. Galleth's entry on how to perform the Hook Wall Spring which later gets introduced in Sly 2. But the more I think about it, the more likely it is that he stole Henriette One Eye Cooper's entry cause she's only known ancestor apart from Sly and his father who crossed paths with him.
What if because of Sly's Time Travel antics in Sly 4, Clockwerk found out about Sly and the pages he was recovering, since he's always watching from the background of the levels? Then come 2002, he decides to raid the Cooper home and create a time paradox. It would be interesting if the time travelling caused Clockwerk to have interest in the book to begin with.
I'll never forget that night after the fiendish five killed my parents Clockwork look back and I knew he was looking at me and he said "I know you're there little Cooper I let you live the thought of your pain would just be too great... this will be the mark of the five people who took everything from you." And he left a scratch on the front door and he flew off into the night it sounded like a thousand knives scraping against each other.
The fiendish five DID take more than One page in The theivies racoonus Because of the vults that are in all The levels also in The start it states that The fiendish five started dasterdly crimes.
I have an interesting theory on two things you mentioned, perhaps Mariat Cooper was the woman clockwork found interest in since she was a pirate and he was impressed of her ability to not get hypnotized and wanted to team up with her and rather she refused him or possibly agreed only for her to steal something from him rather being a thief or not liking something he did and the aftermath was him feeling betrayed probably due to feelings for her possibly and her finding love with someone else or being thiefed by her making his thievery look bad and destroying his reputation as a thief, kinda fun to theorize.
And I forgot to mention if she just outright refused his offer, which could be him taking it that she thinks she’s too good for him or something like that.
Wow, VIVI I don't know how you think of all this but you do a really good job with it. And there's literally no doubt about it, Clockwerk has got to be the most mysterious villain of all time in video gaming or anything else too.
This could be a plit twist, what if clockwork and slys egyptian ancestor(forgot the ancestors name) were partners. Or even crazier, the ancestor lost his parents and clockwork was his godfather or something.
Brillant theory but I feel I should point out all the optional vaults in Sly 1. I think the 5 did split the book but only kept the really important pages on hand. The rest was just scattered in vaults around their home turff.
I second your theory. I believe the pages he stole were about himself. Clockwork is a living curse on the Cooper Clan. Unless Clockwork hated them from afar, he had to have encounters with members over the years. And if he had encounters, those members had to warn future generations. The reason Sly didn't know about him until the volcano fight was because his dad never told him. Who would tell their 8 year old son about a monster that hates you and wants to kill you just because you were born with a certain last name? Connor probably would have eventually told Sly if he had lived. Also, and this just occured to me, further evidence can be seen in Sly 2. Sly knows about the Clockwork pieces and what they can do before he gets them. For example, how could he have known that the eyes were hypnosis tools unless an ancestor experienced them and wrote about them in the book?
Whatever pages Clockwerk had stolen, I believe the pages were about him yes makes sense. The book did talk about his parts well some of them, who wrote down those notes is I guess up for speculation.
My biggest question is how did the villains use the pages to commit crimes? It's just a book for performing thiefy moves, not plans for weapons of mass destruction
@@nftmonkey4506 right makes no sense. Klaw gang in sly 2 using clockworks parts does. I’ve been playing the sly series again and my last to play was the original and I kept trying to figure out what was the point of the Fiendish Five stealing the pages.
I think he also probably took Salim’s section. Because you see in one of the development videos of Sly, back when Panda King was supposed to be before Raleigh and you’re going through A Stealthy Approach Sly says he can use his new Climb Move from Panda King’s section. And wouldn’t Salim most likely have the climb move? So instead of Salim, Rioichi, Tennessee Kid, Slytunkhamen, Otto Van… the order changed to Rioichi, Tennessee Kid, Slytunkhamen, Otto Van, (?). So Salim’s section was supposed to be first but changed to already knowing it! So maybe Clockwerk has Salim’s section, a reason Sly never mentions it! Cause he already knows how to climb!
He probable had the pages with information about him, sly didn't have any info about him in the book before fighting clockwerk, but in sly 2 he mentions info in the book about clockwerk
Vtnvvi it would have been cool and a good idea if the pages that the fiendish five stole they actually used those skills for their schemes and to fight sly.
I've noticed that you haven't said anything about the last volt in the first game as stated the volt number was in ancient owl dialect that forced the player to beat clockwork first then come back to complete the book, ( for me it was the panda king) but why would the last page be in that dialect and not like the others? My thought has always been that clockwork had that page but decided that he should hide it somewhere else but not tell the other's about it sense only clockwork would be the only one that'll be able to unlock it from that language.
True, Clockwerk did have his own special little vault. However, still doesn't explain the other pages he took, ancestors which were not mentioned in Sly 1 at all.
I would think Clockwerk would have the pages that Conner (Sly’s father) wrote because he knew those pages were the most likely to lure Sly to him because of how personal they are to him
Bentley was only able to find him by testing the vehicles found in Mz Ruby and Panda Kings stages and they would have only known they were his father’s pages through process of elimination , they went after Sir Raleigh first because with their hideout being on the outskirts of Paris and him being based in the UK, he was the closest
And if he didn’t know about Sly (which I doubt) he would have kept them as a trophy to serve as a reminder that he had wiped out the Cooper legacy by killing Conner
Either we didnt see cause it was the last level. Or he just let the rest of the group take them cause he didnt care, just wanted to end the coopers. Or i like to think maybe he took pages of unmentioned ancestors and their pages contained skills that appeared in sly 2. Like the uppercut slam, or charge attack, or stealth slide etc.
0:00 - What number is this in Clockwerk theories? I lost count. :P 0:32 - We all prefer this guy over how he is represented in this game in terms of appearance, backstory, his plan and boss fight(s) ... unlike another villain of the 4th game. :P 1:02 - Given how the other members of the gang had pages from multiple minor Coopers and one from a major ancestor each, it'd be fair to say that Clockwerk had the pages of the major ancestors that we learn about in the 3rd game, only the ones that aren't Rioichi, Tennessee, Slytunkhamen and/or Otto. 1:21 - Don't forget the optional pages from the minor Coopers! 1:59 - They do have more then one page each but those pages are optional so you're more then welcome to pick whether or not to count them. 2:08 - But what about that line Sly says in that battle with Clockwerk? "The Thievius Raccoonus doesn't create great thieves, it takes great thieves to create the Thievius Raccoonus." Take the mandatory pages out for one minute and that's how those lines playout the meaning. 3:27 - I did like that comparison with the skills of the ancestors to that of the villains. :) 4:12 - That is true, even Muggshot wouldn't fit as one of the guys who stole a page since he barely remembers what's on them and from which book. :P 4:35 - XD that's right! That's what Muggshot called it! The "Thingus Raccomagucus"! 5:47 - Remember they always found a way to beat him, maybe that's what he wanted to see in the pages, to see how. :/ 5:59 - Yeah TGX had that in his amature rewrite of the intro of the 3rd game in case you haven't seen that yet. 6:13 - He probably thought he deserved way more then what he always earned with the gang. :P 7:22 - Particularly the ancestor that were in the Cooper vault besides the 4 in the 1st game. 9:07 - Not to me but I guess I'll go along with it. :/ 9:47 - Or just regular owls in search of food, particularly mice. 10:14 - Maybe his knights of the Cooper Order were smarter then him which lead to them besting Clockwerk? 10:54 - And his talons as well. 12:20 - Maybe that could be the case. 13:31 - Always happy to watch. :) 13:47 - OK. :/
This video is number 56.... kidding I lost count too. Good point you got there, the members of FF did have minor pages in vaults, but Clockwerk could have still gotten away with other ones :)
Regarding Clockwerk and his pages, the closest thing to a page from him in the first game is that very last extra page you have to defeat him before opening the safe because of "owl dialect" in the code or whatever Bentley said. I think it was something they contrived because of that cutscene you earn after finding all the pages that's supposed to make sense after Clockwerk is defeated. Sly says in it that it's been fully restored, but I always was confused as to what you get from Clockwerk because of the whole splitting thing. I used to think he kept the cover.
We need a game with both characters.Continuing the game where they show how clockwerk came to be because he wasnt always a machine. From the looks of the scene in sly 2 where he loojed like a golden owl. Would like to see where they go to egypt and find this owl that gets defeated by sly. Creating this hate for the coopers and egypt ends up having this special metal and you see clockwerk come to life. Creating almost a full curcle to the first game. I know there is alot missing in this. I just wanted to make it short. Somethings might not even make sense but i have always been a sly fan and have played all games multiple times.all to 100%
You know, I keep hearing “panda king was originally going to be first,” but what doesn’t make sense is that the first stage of Tide of Terror was the first level that they show off all the different versions of the levels. Where did you hear that?
The Fiendish Five took multiple pages each. There’s more pages in all the vaults. My guess would be the last vault you open contains Clockwerk’s page. This is because you cannot open it until you beat him given that it’s in “owl dialect”. Perhaps this may answer the question of this video.
I think that in the next game they should exploit the time travel stuff to explain how Clockwerk became a robot millenia before robotics were invented. They could make stuff up like "Sly and his gang brought modern technology to the past and through some accidental events, the organic version of clockwerk became a robot." They could come up with an origin story too and why he hates the Coopers - maybe Sly ends up fucking up his life while in the past and Clockwerk wants revenge on everyone that looks like him i.e. his whole family. Clockwerk then doesn't recognise him later because it's been literal millenia since he last saw him. Or maybe he did recognise him and that's why he put up so many traps instead of just straight attacking him. Then you could say that he didn't want to reveal that he recognised Sly from the past because he wanted to reveal it right before killing Sly which he never got to do.
Not sure you'll see this one but I figured I'd give my opinion. I think Clockwerk would have gone for two Cooper's specifically. First being the first Cooper and the second being the Cooper who Clockwerk started the grudge with. Clockwerk didn't take the pages on Slytunkhamen II and he was in the pictures of him. Maybe it was Slytunkhamen I or maybe even further back than that but either way his grudge must have been going on long enough for Clockwerk to be in full crazy mode. As for the earliest written Cooper I'd say to see how this family even started and kept going on and on.
I thought he took the page that was in the level "duel by the dragon" because bently said it was written in oak dialect and to get to the page sly would have to defeat clockwork
I believe that Clockwerk stole Connor Cooper's section of the Thievius Raccoonus. That's the only ancestor who Sly has not read about or taken skills from the book, as prior to the events of The Cooper Vault, Sly did not know how to slide on lasers even though that was his father's technique. You could argue: "Maybe Connor didn't get a chance to write it in time." And of course that makes sense, but you'd think he would want Sly to learn his newly acquired skill at some point. Another piece of evidence stems from Sly's lack of knowledge of Le Paradox's family line and their rivalry with the Cooper Clan (although maybe previous ancestors wrote about this before, though Sly had not mentioned them before). As to WHY Clockwerk stole his particular section is unknown. My theory is that he gave those pages to Dr. M per his request and maybe it was in those pages that Dr. M found out where the Vault was located (although I doubt this because McSweeny knew where the island so I assume Dr. M and McSweeny had come to the island previously. But then, why would Dr. M need directions?). Connor was a scientist and inventor, and maybe his sections of the books contained gadgets he developed and with that Dr. M used it as a blueprint for all of his inventions that we see in Sly 3.
Sly read the book completely that's for sure, if there was no mention of Conner, that means his father didn't write anything about him really especially that laser technique. When Sly was going to inherit the book, the book was ready for Sly. I think Conner had plenty of time to write about that laser technique. When Sly was born, Conner had 8 years to write his skill in the book. Conner probably thought his son would figure it out on his own, and he did. As for Dr.M, I'm sure he read the book and even wrote in it himself, well actually we're not too sure, I guess I'm comparing him to how Bentley wrote in the book...The vault had its own map, and was hidden in Italy when Sly was 3 (given to McSweeney). This must've been a secret kept between Conner and McSweeney.
You make a good point. Something I thought when you were making your theory about Dr. M making a deal with Clockwerk concerning the book's whereabouts was the striking similarity between that specific event and how Harry Potter even started. If you don't know what I'm talking about, let me give you a brief rundown: So Harry's parents were in hiding because Voldemort was hunting down Harry cuz he knew of the prophecy that Harry would eventually grow up to kill him. The only other person who knew where the Potters were was Peter Petegrew -- otherwise known as Wormtail (the shapeshifting rat motherfucker from the third Harry Potter) cuz Wormtail and James were best friends in Hogwarts. Why they trusted the rat and not Sirius, Harry's godfather, I'll never know. Anyway, the Potters made Wormtail their Secret Keeper and then Wormtail told Voldemort and Voldemort killed Harry's parents and you know the rest. In Sly's case, Wormtail = Dr. M (the ex-best friend of their parent's youth), Voldemort = Clockwerk (main antagonist who's personally out to get him), and of course Harry = Sly.
Okay. I’ll bring up one interpretation I LOVED from reading a fanfic; The Panda King and the rest of the 5, besides Clockwork, didn’t know Clockwork was going to kill Sly’s father. So when it was revealed to them, Panda King ended up sealing the door to the closet, too late sadly, but it was also Panda King that took Sly to the orphanage. Now, in the fanfic they do give Mrz Ruby, Mugshot, and Panda King Redemption arcs that actually are believable. But I do like that interpretation of these events. Just thought I’d share them without spoiling the entire story…which even fixes Sly 4…and I’m not joking. Edit: 4:53 Okay, story also had an OC villain which was after the pages for global conquest. And each page was taken because, “Take it or die,” from Clockwork. Who later reveals that Clockwork wanted to prove to the underworld that Sly’s family name was nothing without the book. Add to it, he was able to read the book, because time travel shenanigans. Edit edit: 8:29 Once again, Fanfic does actually give a reason for this, but it’s towards the end so…spoilers. Edit, edit, edit: 11:36 Again, the fic explains it in an interesting way.
Maybe we don’t need to know the pages. Considering that Clockwerk is the only boss we don’t see Sly get pages back from, this could be to reflect Sly’s trauma from the experience that Clockwerk forced on him from killing sly’s parents. Sly overcomes those that would’ve left him a victim, but there’s still something that he can never get back, that was lost that night on his 8th birthday.
I personally believe that Clockwerk collected those pages in an attempt to find the smartest Coopers and take their knowledge. He after all was a mastermind and genius so if he could take the knowledge of those coopers then so be it. Also, I feel like its less of the pages he took and more of the pages the others took and he took the rest of the book. I think its very important to note that there's only a few dozen pages in the entire game and we know there were WAY more Coopers so I think he had the rest in an attempt to study them.
I don't think the order changed would've the abilities they would've gotten or paves stolen. The character and their abilities and boss fights were already made they just change positions.
Actually they had a few pages as shown from the vaults you can crack, but yeah what did Clockwerk get? Edit: so just had a very dumb thought, but what if Clockwerk is not his own entity. What if he is a creation by a mad time traveling Penelope creating a never ending time loop. Think about it. As dumb as Penelope turning bad was, that is a very logical explanation for how Clockwerk came to become mechanical so far in the past.
I think it would be a big shock and find his dads pages if they were ever included in the thievius raccoonus and learn the laser slide but like cmon there wouldlnt be much places in sly 2 to laser slide
Just came.across this. Your Dr. M/Clockwerk trade deal really made me think thag it could be true. You really get in the minds and make people think. Great!
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I think one page Clockwerk definitely took was Sly's father's pages, and for whatever reason, he kept that page on him when he burned, which would explain why Sly never learned the laser slide.
Could be! But wouldn't the book have missing ripped pages enough for the gang to notice?
With how torn up it was in the first place and given that each page (based on their different sizes prior to the book being torn up) was likely an addition made by each family member who wrote in it, it's possible that a few missing pages could go unnoticed during its repair. Especially since repairing a traditionally bound book isn't like just taping the pages back into place, it's more like sewing, so all the page stubs left in would be removed from the cover first.
@@IGSA101 Its also possible that he just hadn't gotten around to writing down the technique yet. We don't know if his father was still active or retired by the time of the attack but with Sly knowing his family history prior to the attack and having at least what we can view as a foundation of skill we can infer that maybe Sly had already begun his lessons and his dad was still active.
@@redbeast13 i think he was retired. That's my guess, after all he did have a spot in the Cooper vault and pulled off some pretty big heists.
Sly’s dad could slide on lasers. Clockwerk’s lair had lasers galore.
Clockwerk's life is pretty ironic. He hates the Coopers but can't live without them.
A price to pay.
VTNVIVI sorta like Batman and the joker in a way
Like Tom and Jerry
😂😂😂
Yet did he ever have a TRUE life before he even encountered the Coopers? A wife and children? Friends?
If so, his hatred and jealousy had to been immense to cause him to just up and leave his perfect life behind without even looking back once. Probably his family and friends tried repeatedly to talk some reason and sense into him over his obsession for the family of raccoon thieves, but Clockwerk refused to listen to them at all.
His hate eventually overcame and destroyed his mortal being and nothing, not even the pleas of his own kids worried for their dad's transformation, would ever be able to snap Clockwerk back to reality. The title of master thief being only accessible by killing the Cooper legacy, Clockwerk literally abandoned his life essence in a now full-scale genocide mission to destroy them, eventually becoming a mechanical monstrosity.
Personal theory: Setting aside the swapped levels, I believe there are perfectly canon reasons for tthe Fiendish FIve to take the main pages theydid. Rayleigh, being a frog, would have shown interest in Rioichi's jumping technique. (Whether or not he mastered it is unknown.) Mugshot, being a city boy, would have been interested in the skateboard like actions in Tennessee's part of the book, but as mentioned later he apparently could never read them. Mz Ruby would have been into the dark magic qualities involved in Slytunkhamen;s shadow magic, while Panda King could use the machinery schematics in Otto's portion to improve his fireworks and rockets. Clockwerk would have taken the rest so that Sly would come find him one day.
I also have a pet theory that the Thevius Raccoonus is written in code. Only Cooper family members know how to crack the code unless they tell other people how to do so.
Leo Ryff good theory
Maybe like in play station all stars, Nathan drake was trying to decode the pages he had from the book.
This is a very good theory
I just realized that the Clockwerk is a metaphor. When you are always fueled by jealousy and hatred, especially for someone, you become a shell of your former self. Clockwerk's metal body represents the hollowness of what he once was. And that it can literally last forever.
Well put!
The pages I think he stole were the ones about him. In Sly 2, Sly mentioned when going after Clockwerk's eyes and talons that the Thievious Racoonous described what they're capable of. But just before facing Clockwerk at the end of the first game with the pages he recovered from the other 4 villains, Sly knew nothing about him other than his shadow being in his ancestors' pictures.
As to why, I think it was in case his other allies planned to betray him or when Sly confronts him and the pages had info on how to best him.
Henriette Cooper was the only cooper in history, besides Sly's father, to have ever encountered Clockwerk. Most likely, you're right, the pages he had were the ones about him and what Henriette wrote.
The bottles in the game were a means to open a vault in each level. Unlocking a minor portion of the theivious racconus. So yes, they did have taken several pages.
Looks like Vivi's back to sly.
I guess you could say...
*It's just like clockwork*
Star Stacker. Nice pun. ;)
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Very interesting Theories. I liked the see Clockwerk Return in Sly 5, and know more of his backstory and why he started the hate Sly's Ancestors so much...nice video as always
Thanks for watching!
The statement about his hatred and bring able to feel it and how the next Cooper in line is always born is because, as he stated in the game, he wanted to prove that the Cooper line would fail without their book but each and every time the child succeded, it made his hatred grow. That's what I think at least.
But... What would he gain by just watching the Coopers fail? Happiness? What comes after? Was it necessary to turn metal just for that? There's something deeper. Reading your theory, Clockwerk fuelled off Coopers succeeding? Hmm...He didn't want them to succeed. Plus, it's assumed he discovered the book later in the future, if he knew about the book already, it probably wouldn't exist anymore.
VTNVIVI not that he wanted them to succeed, but that his hatred grew because they did....but in one of the ancestors images, the Egyptian ancestor, showed him in the background....this may or not confirm he knew about the book but he certainly knew about the Coopers legacy.....so if he really wanted the book gone then he would have done it by now. What do you think?
Don't we know each member of the Fiendish Five, or at least the members other than Clockwerk, took multiple pages about multiple Cooper Ancestors due to the simple fact that you find pages in safes through out the levels?
Yes, the vaults did contain extra pages. Still doesn't explain Clockwerk's pages.
VTNVIVI Clockwerk only stole one page. In the very last safe that you find all of the clues to Bentley states that it can't be cracked because the clues are all written in a form of an ancient owl dialect and can't be opened until Clockwerk is defeated.
Sidney Mosley Its very Interesting.
@@scottiegang2236 by what I know, the last safe contains the "Stun-In-Game" ability (you can stop the time for a while)
@@SidneyMosley Does not explain the pages Sly mentions ripping from Clockwwork's talons before they fell into the lava/magma of the volcano. As he will say this regardless of getting the final page from the one and only vault he secured himself personally - of the ability that could arguably save Sly the most against him if left unchecked.
It would've been cool if in the beggining of sly 3 dr. M and Clockwerk had a deal, where clockwerk told M the location of the cooper vault and in exchange dr. M showed where cooper's house is.
I always imagined something like this!
You know, it would make sense if the pages Clockwerk took included the ones that described him. Of course he'd want to keep Sly from learning anything about him before their battle. And while it's been a bit since I last played Sly 2, I'm pretty sure that one brings up the Thievious Raccoonus containing notes on what the Clockwerk parts can do, like how sharp his talons are and the hypnotic properties of his eyes
I think it's possible, given Clockwerk's personality in the first game, he stole those particular pages as they made mention of him and wanted to know what information the Coopers had on him. He's evidently very vain and perhaps wanted acknowledgment from his mortal enemies that he was a threat. It was both for fact-finding and for pride.
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i agree about your theory about Clockwerk keeping the Cooper children alive, he needs them to continue the line so he has something to hate, kinda ironic really
That was the price, become immortal but with rules. This would be possible if he met some sort of wizard or something.
VTNVIVI that just might be possible considering in those days magic was a big thing to consider, maybe a strong if not very powerful belief
Without them, his hate chip would had ceased to function and Clockwerk would already rusted into oblivion long ago. His hate is what kept him going. He stopped truly living and breathing eons ago. It's rather terrifying to look at it this way.
I think your theory about Clockwerk taking pages related to him make sense when you consider the line from the start of The Cold Heart of Hate. The fact that there were no clear images of him in the pieces recovered and with the police and the references in Sly 2 about the talons rending steel, or the eyes stopping people in their tracks, and the potential of the heart. So he probably took Heinrette's piece, and maybe a few others who took notes on how he fights.
The pages Clockwerk took were blank as they were meant for Sly to add his adventures too.
This series is great. I’m glad my dad got me sly 3 as a kid. Played it and loved it then got the other two so i started out of order. Fav villains are easily clockwerk and Jean bison
The answer is more simple than that. I replayed the game again and reaffirmed that clock work left sly alive to prove the cooper clan was nothing without the thevious raccoonous. Either the five was a front to use the other bosses as pawns so that if any of them defeated sly while they had the knowledge of sly's ancestors while sly did not, proving his point. Or even better. To lure sly slowly to clockwork with a big showdown, but didn't go to his plan
I always believe there's just something more to it.
If you take Sly 4 ending into consideration where Sly ends up in ancient Egypt, it makes sense that Sly becomes the progenitor of his clan and with his knowledge of Clockwerk, he could have left clues for his ancestors/descendants.
My theory about Sly being stuck in Egypt :" We all know sly is stuck in egypt and there is no way he can travel in time again, what if he is the Sly Tunkhamen himself (the creator of the thievius raccoonus) and what if sly ancestors in the present are sly's children, sly is in egypt so he can start the cooper bloodline". That for me make sence because sly tunkhamen look similar to sly and they have literally the same canes.
10:50 while Clockwerk was mentioned in the book, we didn’t see these pages until Sly 2, in Sly 1, Sly was only able to see images of a shadowy avian figure, so the pages could have been about how he was defeated
Possibly!
I’ve always thought the Clockwerk may have had a quite a tragic backstory, in the sense that he may he have been betrayed or took the fall for one of the Coopers in the past, his family were killed as a result and he lost everything that mattered to him. I’m sure that he has time-travelled at some point or met a time traveler as how else would he have gained his advanced robotic body? Maybe he took the pages as a trophy/memento or maybe the book has some hidden secret that Clockwerk discovered that the Cooper gang is still unaware of...
I too believe he had quite a tragic story yet to be uncovered.
Or maybe he was first bound to his body by magic then upgraded to mostly technology as time went on. I like to imagine that his metal body was originally made of bronze
Your version sounds more interesting but I just like the idea of his body’s design changing over time, (I don’t count his Easter eggs in 4 as Canon, there’s no way he’s been alive since before Bob, but when I first saw him in Japan I was like “Wait......What!...NO!).
I think Clockwerk stole the pages that Conner Cooper wrote, considering all the computers, lasers and tech in Clockwerk's world
The pages that Clockwerk took appear to be at the front and back of the book, I’m not sure if the “thievious racconus” would have these, but a table of contents and index would be located at the front and back. Without these specific pages, nobody would know exactly how many pages there are; how many abilities there are in the book.
When you mentioned that each member got one page, I instantly remembered all the vaults from the different chapters, meaning that each member did get multiple pages from multiple Coopers.
You know I always wondered what page Clockwork took, I could never put my finger on it, but this video really puts half my mind at ease. You know, what your saying makes sense ^^. Keep up the amazing work my friend!
How would clockwerk implement cooper techniques into his work ethic of thieving? He is a bird with no hands or feet just wings and talons. Clockwerk can’t crawl through vents or make a sneaky enterance. I thought it was worth mentioning.
Heheh
Clockwerk having a love interest? Perhaps in one of the ancient Coopers? Or a Cooper stole from his loved one leading to her demise?! It’s crazy but it JUST MIGHT WORK! For Clockwerk to be able to hate THAT MUCH, he had to have loved equally as powerfully.
I had never considered it before, but dude, you just completely changed my perspective on Clockwerk and added huge depth to him. I love it.
As you mentioned, hate that much. There was definitely something that triggered him like that, not just jealousy.
I need sly 5
Endotower We all do ;-;
The world needs it.
VTNVIVI True T.T
Boris Go back to your game Boris or else Bendys gonna get mad XD
1:55 Those other pages are from the safes you get in various levels you get after getting the clue bottles.
And you're right about that one!
After extensively playing the game for years throughout the separate stages for the Fiendish 5 there are other parts of the Racoonus besides that of the certain pages won after defeating certain members that are hidden in other safe's around certain stages of the maps. The very last safe that you find all of the clues to (no matter which country you're in) won't be in crackable until after Clockwerk is defeated (Bentley states that the clues to the very last safe are written in an ancient owl dialect) and it contains arguably the most OP ability in the game. So it's safe to deduce that Clockwerk to spite Sly locked the last safe himself to the final page of the Racoonus.
The way I see it is, each episode had a safe plus the members themselves. As for Clockwerk, sure he had an uncrackable safe, but each member had taken a page which involved an ancestor. Did Clockwerk have pages with him apart from his safe? That's what I'm trying to wrap my head around.
VTNVIVI well seeing as how the Racoonus is completed in it's entirety after the last safe is cracked after Clockwerk is defeated it'd be safe to deduce for now that that was the only page that Clockwerk locked himself in a different country unless he dispersed the other pages he took to the other members of the Fiendish Five (which is also totally plausible.) Now in my opinion Clockwerk not only has a strong hatred, but a strong sense of self pride as well so it'd be reasonable if Clockwerk DIDN'T want to keep any of the Racoonus pages to himself, but to make sure that he was the only thing standing in the way of Sly completing the Racoonus. But that's just my belief 😅
If I had to guess nowadays. I'd say he took the first few pages and likely the last. If he was studying the pages then he would start at the earliest recorded moments of the clan then see how he believed it would end.
One thing I hadn't thought about years ago is one that might change things. Clockwork is an advanced machine. How do we know he didnt just scan the entire book? In Sly 2, what peice did Arpgedgio take? He took Clockwerks brain, presumably because it is akin to a supercomputer. I dont have to imagine too wildly that reading a book could take seconds for him IF he even had to physically read it. Memorizing something even as complex as the Thievius Racoonus would be more easy than we can even comprehend for him. So in short I dont think he needed a single page, because he already had every bit of knowledge from it before we even set foot on that rooftop in Paris.
Wow ... im shocked i never thought of that i thought he only took the stun every guard page ...
Here is something that could be my headcanon, or the MAKERS' plan.
Clockwerk took some pages, but did not keep them (gave them to the FF members). The members did not really care for the pages either, but kept them anyway as proof of their past "accomplishment".
If the Coopers are nothing without the book, why not burn it?
Just as I said, Clockwerk did not keep any of the book's pages.
Clockwork took the rest of the pages. So if you count all the pages taken by each member, that leaves only the pages that clockwork took
Ok hold up. What about the ancestors pages that were in vaults on each level to get the keys required? That alone debunks the part where they just took those certain ancestors because we were introduced to multiple in those.
Yes the ancestors did hide their extra pages in respective vaults. Clockwerk too! He did have a heavily encrypted one, but had nothing to do with Connor's (Sly's dad) pages.
Something that I never really thought about was the specific ancestors that the fiendish 5 kept in their personal area (their boss fights pages) and how each of the 4 that we know of were similar to that member of the 5 (if that makes sense). Mugshot loved guns, thus tennessee was a natural choice for him. Miss Ruby would have been interested by the mystery of the invisibility technique. Panda king chose his page due to the ancestor being an inventor (at least I assume). As for why Rioichi? I am not sure.
Yeah I too always had that feeling :)
What i want to know is what his original body looked like. They showed his face in the manual, but its not big enough to make much of it to be able to discern what he is.
Clockwerk straight just needs some backstory!
Love the theory on letting the kids live to fuel his hate. Makes Clockwerk, evil, cunning, and possessing a weakness.
I would wager He stole the newest pages. That was why Sly never knew of his father's gang, Cooper Vault, or laser walking skill. Clockwerk had them and were never recovered.
If so, wouldn't Sly have realized the book was still missing pages?
@@VtnVivi Maybe Connor never got the chance to add them into the Thevious Raccoonus.
There are also the couple of ancestors featured in the vault who were introduced in 3. Could be their pages.
Option 3, the scene in the introduction always gave me the impression Clockwerk took the cover and biding instead of pages. Perhaps keeping that as a trophy of victory and bait to draw Sly to him.
@@slicerneons3300 Sly used Carmalita as bait knowing he had romantic feelings for her.
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 You need to add context I have no idea what you mean.
Also i think a extra page sly could gotten if railegh was 4th was the water safety move to match the whole kinda sea theme
Damn I'm a big sly cooper fan and I Never throught about this.
Never thought the channel would reach this point :P
Me 2
2:08 personally I think each member of the Fiendish Five took multiple pages, and had one page of interest for each of them. As you explained, I know Raleigh and Panda King likely wanted the other’s page due to Panda King likely wanting the ninja spire jump to improve his martial arts and Raleigh wanting Auto Van Cooper’s mechanical expertise. But likely in the rush of tearing the book apart had grabbed extra pages unintentionally. As for said pages, they were the minor ancestors found throughout the safes in the game, likely each member put the extra ones they weren’t particularly fond of in the safes as a useful asset later on.
Also I personally think they should’ve worked out Raleigh’s backstory more. His base and location makes sense, as he’s an amphibian meaning he needs to be near water, and would be perfect for piracy. However they never gave an explanation to why he’s their mechanic and inventor. With everyone else it’s reasonable, Mugshot wanted to be strong so he worked hard to get strong, Ms Rubie came from a family of mystics which explains her magic and voodoo, and Panda king was entranced by the art of fireworks and studied hard to perfect his own craft in fireworks. And afterwards used said skills for demolition and arsonist activities. But for Raleigh they didn’t give an explanation for his mechanical skills.
I always figured he kept the pages of his most hated Coopers. If his hatred for the Coopers is what makes him immortal and him succeeding in his plan could possibly have quelled his hate, having a deep up close and personal reminder of some of his most hated foes could keep the hatred going?
Pretty close to what I've been thinking :)
Not just my favorite Sly Cooper villain but also my favorite video game villain in general and here are the reasons
*He is immortal
*much like Nefarious he once had organic body
*there are so many unanswered questions about him
*his badass voice
*he can repear his body
Wish at least suckerpunch could answer every question
Unwittness especially how he managed how to replace his organic body in past and what caused his jealousy toward Cooper Clan
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I'd be interested in writing :)
At first I thought it was Sit. Galleth's entry on how to perform the Hook Wall Spring which later gets introduced in Sly 2. But the more I think about it, the more likely it is that he stole Henriette One Eye Cooper's entry cause she's only known ancestor apart from Sly and his father who crossed paths with him.
What if because of Sly's Time Travel antics in Sly 4, Clockwerk found out about Sly and the pages he was recovering, since he's always watching from the background of the levels? Then come 2002, he decides to raid the Cooper home and create a time paradox. It would be interesting if the time travelling caused Clockwerk to have interest in the book to begin with.
I'll never forget that night after the fiendish five killed my parents Clockwork look back and I knew he was looking at me and he said "I know you're there little Cooper I let you live the thought of your pain would just be too great... this will be the mark of the five people who took everything from you." And he left a scratch on the front door and he flew off into the night it sounded like a thousand knives scraping against each other.
:(
Sly Cooper lol, we have a salty sly.
cancer69 if you are in my situation you get tired of the same thing too
cancer69 besides I'm still waiting for my ride home
Sly Cooper God that was cringey
Panda king being the first level also explains his and enemies from his level wanted posters in the intro police station episode.
An interesting theory. Clockwerk is such an enigma, and there's so much history that could be built from such a blank past.
I want to know JUST HOW TRICKY of maneuvering it took to get those pages.
The fiendish five DID take more than One page in The theivies racoonus Because of the vults that are in all The levels also in The start it states that The fiendish five started dasterdly crimes.
so you could say that Clockwork is a "Cooper" hawk
I have an interesting theory on two things you mentioned, perhaps Mariat Cooper was the woman clockwork found interest in since she was a pirate and he was impressed of her ability to not get hypnotized and wanted to team up with her and rather she refused him or possibly agreed only for her to steal something from him rather being a thief or not liking something he did and the aftermath was him feeling betrayed probably due to feelings for her possibly and her finding love with someone else or being thiefed by her making his thievery look bad and destroying his reputation as a thief, kinda fun to theorize.
And I forgot to mention if she just outright refused his offer, which could be him taking it that she thinks she’s too good for him or something like that.
Wow, VIVI I don't know how you think of all this but you do a really good job with it. And there's literally no doubt about it, Clockwerk has got to be the most mysterious villain of all time in video gaming or anything else too.
Yep!!!!!! That is why we need some backstory for this guy.
@@VtnVivi Absolutely Agreed, 100%.
Panda king being first explains why his music dupes Raleighs
Clockwork is in Sly Cooper 4 you need to look around on some of the missions
Yep he is!
This could be a plit twist, what if clockwork and slys egyptian ancestor(forgot the ancestors name) were partners. Or even crazier, the ancestor lost his parents and clockwork was his godfather or something.
I could imagine a scenario where Clockwerk was originally uncorrupted.
Brillant theory but I feel I should point out all the optional vaults in Sly 1. I think the 5 did split the book but only kept the really important pages on hand. The rest was just scattered in vaults around their home turff.
So what does that mean of Clockwerk? Did he have Connor's pages?
I second your theory. I believe the pages he stole were about himself. Clockwork is a living curse on the Cooper Clan. Unless Clockwork hated them from afar, he had to have encounters with members over the years. And if he had encounters, those members had to warn future generations.
The reason Sly didn't know about him until the volcano fight was because his dad never told him. Who would tell their 8 year old son about a monster that hates you and wants to kill you just because you were born with a certain last name? Connor probably would have eventually told Sly if he had lived.
Also, and this just occured to me, further evidence can be seen in Sly 2. Sly knows about the Clockwork pieces and what they can do before he gets them. For example, how could he have known that the eyes were hypnosis tools unless an ancestor experienced them and wrote about them in the book?
Whatever pages Clockwerk had stolen, I believe the pages were about him yes makes sense. The book did talk about his parts well some of them, who wrote down those notes is I guess up for speculation.
My biggest question is how did the villains use the pages to commit crimes? It's just a book for performing thiefy moves, not plans for weapons of mass destruction
As said, the members didn't really find those pages useful.
VTNVIVI But why did they steal the pages? Were they just serving Clockwerk?
@@nftmonkey4506 right makes no sense. Klaw gang in sly 2 using clockworks parts does. I’ve been playing the sly series again and my last to play was the original and I kept trying to figure out what was the point of the Fiendish Five stealing the pages.
If there will be ever a sly 5? They should make clockworks backstory.
Oh yes :)
I think he also probably took Salim’s section. Because you see in one of the development videos of Sly, back when Panda King was supposed to be before Raleigh and you’re going through A Stealthy Approach Sly says he can use his new Climb Move from Panda King’s section. And wouldn’t Salim most likely have the climb move? So instead of Salim, Rioichi, Tennessee Kid, Slytunkhamen, Otto Van… the order changed to Rioichi, Tennessee Kid, Slytunkhamen, Otto Van, (?). So Salim’s section was supposed to be first but changed to already knowing it! So maybe Clockwerk has Salim’s section, a reason Sly never mentions it! Cause he already knows how to climb!
He probable had the pages with information about him, sly didn't have any info about him in the book before fighting clockwerk, but in sly 2 he mentions info in the book about clockwerk
Nice one :)
He stole the pages that let you crawl under tables
If they ever do make a Sly 5 I wanna see a return from Clockwerk and I mean actual Clockwerk not that Clock-La bullshit we got in Sly 2.
Vtnvvi it would have been cool and a good idea if the pages that the fiendish five stole they actually used those skills for their schemes and to fight sly.
I've noticed that you haven't said anything about the last volt in the first game as stated the volt number was in ancient owl dialect that forced the player to beat clockwork first then come back to complete the book, ( for me it was the panda king) but why would the last page be in that dialect and not like the others? My thought has always been that clockwork had that page but decided that he should hide it somewhere else but not tell the other's about it sense only clockwork would be the only one that'll be able to unlock it from that language.
True, Clockwerk did have his own special little vault. However, still doesn't explain the other pages he took, ancestors which were not mentioned in Sly 1 at all.
I would think Clockwerk would have the pages that Conner (Sly’s father) wrote because he knew those pages were the most likely to lure Sly to him because of how personal they are to him
If true, wouldn't Sly have gone directly after Clockwerk in the beginning?
Bentley was only able to find him by testing the vehicles found in Mz Ruby and Panda Kings stages and they would have only known they were his father’s pages through process of elimination , they went after Sir Raleigh first because with their hideout being on the outskirts of Paris and him being based in the UK, he was the closest
And if he didn’t know about Sly (which I doubt) he would have kept them as a trophy to serve as a reminder that he had wiped out the Cooper legacy by killing Conner
Also if they aren’t Conner’s then they belong to a Cooper we’ve never heard of
But as self absorbed as he also is I bet you’re right and he also took all the pages mentioning himself to study
Either we didnt see cause it was the last level. Or he just let the rest of the group take them cause he didnt care, just wanted to end the coopers.
Or i like to think maybe he took pages of unmentioned ancestors and their pages contained skills that appeared in sly 2. Like the uppercut slam, or charge attack, or stealth slide etc.
It's weird even though I'm stuck in Egypt I still haven't seen Slytunkhmen II or Clockwork
Sly Cooper lucky wish I was there during ancient egpyt
Shadow I'm not lucky I wish I could just get home I miss the modern world do you know how long it's been since I've had a cheeseburger?
you tuber why would I want to do that
Sly Cooper stop actin like ur sly
Rage how do you know I'm not sly?
Plus the very transformation from flesh to metal would help with the Penelope like a father daughter relationship
0:00 - What number is this in Clockwerk theories? I lost count. :P
0:32 - We all prefer this guy over how he is represented in this game in terms of appearance, backstory, his plan and boss fight(s) ... unlike another villain of the 4th game. :P
1:02 - Given how the other members of the gang had pages from multiple minor Coopers and one from a major ancestor each, it'd be fair to say that Clockwerk had the pages of the major ancestors that we learn about in the 3rd game, only the ones that aren't Rioichi, Tennessee, Slytunkhamen and/or Otto.
1:21 - Don't forget the optional pages from the minor Coopers!
1:59 - They do have more then one page each but those pages are optional so you're more then welcome to pick whether or not to count them.
2:08 - But what about that line Sly says in that battle with Clockwerk? "The Thievius Raccoonus doesn't create great thieves, it takes great thieves to create the Thievius Raccoonus." Take the mandatory pages out for one minute and that's how those lines playout the meaning.
3:27 - I did like that comparison with the skills of the ancestors to that of the villains. :)
4:12 - That is true, even Muggshot wouldn't fit as one of the guys who stole a page since he barely remembers what's on them and from which book. :P
4:35 - XD that's right! That's what Muggshot called it! The "Thingus Raccomagucus"!
5:47 - Remember they always found a way to beat him, maybe that's what he wanted to see in the pages, to see how. :/
5:59 - Yeah TGX had that in his amature rewrite of the intro of the 3rd game in case you haven't seen that yet.
6:13 - He probably thought he deserved way more then what he always earned with the gang. :P
7:22 - Particularly the ancestor that were in the Cooper vault besides the 4 in the 1st game.
9:07 - Not to me but I guess I'll go along with it. :/
9:47 - Or just regular owls in search of food, particularly mice.
10:14 - Maybe his knights of the Cooper Order were smarter then him which lead to them besting Clockwerk?
10:54 - And his talons as well.
12:20 - Maybe that could be the case.
13:31 - Always happy to watch. :)
13:47 - OK. :/
This video is number 56.... kidding I lost count too. Good point you got there, the members of FF did have minor pages in vaults, but Clockwerk could have still gotten away with other ones :)
I think he kept sly alive specifically to fuel his hate chip. With the whole clan wiped out he would lose his fixation and power.
Yes something I too would like to believe!
Regarding Clockwerk and his pages, the closest thing to a page from him in the first game is that very last extra page you have to defeat him before opening the safe because of "owl dialect" in the code or whatever Bentley said. I think it was something they contrived because of that cutscene you earn after finding all the pages that's supposed to make sense after Clockwerk is defeated. Sly says in it that it's been fully restored, but I always was confused as to what you get from Clockwerk because of the whole splitting thing. I used to think he kept the cover.
+Madison Christy Ah yeah! But still, the pages he had stolen remain unknown.
We need a game with both characters.Continuing the game where they show how clockwerk came to be because he wasnt always a machine. From the looks of the scene in sly 2 where he loojed like a golden owl. Would like to see where they go to egypt and find this owl that gets defeated by sly. Creating this hate for the coopers and egypt ends up having this special metal and you see clockwerk come to life. Creating almost a full curcle to the first game. I know there is alot missing in this. I just wanted to make it short. Somethings might not even make sense but i have always been a sly fan and have played all games multiple times.all to 100%
Story potential!!!!!!!
I need more sly :(
You know, I keep hearing “panda king was originally going to be first,” but what doesn’t make sense is that the first stage of Tide of Terror was the first level that they show off all the different versions of the levels. Where did you hear that?
SP's 20th anniversary article.
I think it would be cool if Playstation would publish the Thievius Raccoonus just so the fans can see what is in the book.
That'd be such a cool collectable!
The Fiendish Five took multiple pages each. There’s more pages in all the vaults.
My guess would be the last vault you open contains Clockwerk’s page. This is because you cannot open it until you beat him given that it’s in “owl dialect”. Perhaps this may answer the question of this video.
I think that in the next game they should exploit the time travel stuff to explain how Clockwerk became a robot millenia before robotics were invented.
They could make stuff up like "Sly and his gang brought modern technology to the past and through some accidental events, the organic version of clockwerk became a robot."
They could come up with an origin story too and why he hates the Coopers - maybe Sly ends up fucking up his life while in the past and Clockwerk wants revenge on everyone that looks like him i.e. his whole family.
Clockwerk then doesn't recognise him later because it's been literal millenia since he last saw him. Or maybe he did recognise him and that's why he put up so many traps instead of just straight attacking him. Then you could say that he didn't want to reveal that he recognised Sly from the past because he wanted to reveal it right before killing Sly which he never got to do.
Not sure you'll see this one but I figured I'd give my opinion. I think Clockwerk would have gone for two Cooper's specifically. First being the first Cooper and the second being the Cooper who Clockwerk started the grudge with. Clockwerk didn't take the pages on Slytunkhamen II and he was in the pictures of him. Maybe it was Slytunkhamen I or maybe even further back than that but either way his grudge must have been going on long enough for Clockwerk to be in full crazy mode. As for the earliest written Cooper I'd say to see how this family even started and kept going on and on.
"What is this Raccamagookus we have here?"
I thought he took the page that was in the level "duel by the dragon" because bently said it was written in oak dialect and to get to the page sly would have to defeat clockwork
True! However, each of the Fiendish 5 members had a vault and pages on them, what about Clockwerk you know apart from his encrypted vault?
I believe that Clockwerk stole Connor Cooper's section of the Thievius Raccoonus. That's the only ancestor who Sly has not read about or taken skills from the book, as prior to the events of The Cooper Vault, Sly did not know how to slide on lasers even though that was his father's technique. You could argue: "Maybe Connor didn't get a chance to write it in time." And of course that makes sense, but you'd think he would want Sly to learn his newly acquired skill at some point. Another piece of evidence stems from Sly's lack of knowledge of Le Paradox's family line and their rivalry with the Cooper Clan (although maybe previous ancestors wrote about this before, though Sly had not mentioned them before). As to WHY Clockwerk stole his particular section is unknown. My theory is that he gave those pages to Dr. M per his request and maybe it was in those pages that Dr. M found out where the Vault was located (although I doubt this because McSweeny knew where the island so I assume Dr. M and McSweeny had come to the island previously. But then, why would Dr. M need directions?). Connor was a scientist and inventor, and maybe his sections of the books contained gadgets he developed and with that Dr. M used it as a blueprint for all of his inventions that we see in Sly 3.
Sly read the book completely that's for sure, if there was no mention of Conner, that means his father didn't write anything about him really especially that laser technique. When Sly was going to inherit the book, the book was ready for Sly. I think Conner had plenty of time to write about that laser technique. When Sly was born, Conner had 8 years to write his skill in the book. Conner probably thought his son would figure it out on his own, and he did. As for Dr.M, I'm sure he read the book and even wrote in it himself, well actually we're not too sure, I guess I'm comparing him to how Bentley wrote in the book...The vault had its own map, and was hidden in Italy when Sly was 3 (given to McSweeney). This must've been a secret kept between Conner and McSweeney.
You make a good point. Something I thought when you were making your theory about Dr. M making a deal with Clockwerk concerning the book's whereabouts was the striking similarity between that specific event and how Harry Potter even started. If you don't know what I'm talking about, let me give you a brief rundown: So Harry's parents were in hiding because Voldemort was hunting down Harry cuz he knew of the prophecy that Harry would eventually grow up to kill him. The only other person who knew where the Potters were was Peter Petegrew -- otherwise known as Wormtail (the shapeshifting rat motherfucker from the third Harry Potter) cuz Wormtail and James were best friends in Hogwarts. Why they trusted the rat and not Sirius, Harry's godfather, I'll never know. Anyway, the Potters made Wormtail their Secret Keeper and then Wormtail told Voldemort and Voldemort killed Harry's parents and you know the rest. In Sly's case, Wormtail = Dr. M (the ex-best friend of their parent's youth), Voldemort = Clockwerk (main antagonist who's personally out to get him), and of course Harry = Sly.
Okay. I’ll bring up one interpretation I LOVED from reading a fanfic;
The Panda King and the rest of the 5, besides Clockwork, didn’t know Clockwork was going to kill Sly’s father. So when it was revealed to them, Panda King ended up sealing the door to the closet, too late sadly, but it was also Panda King that took Sly to the orphanage. Now, in the fanfic they do give Mrz Ruby, Mugshot, and Panda King Redemption arcs that actually are believable. But I do like that interpretation of these events. Just thought I’d share them without spoiling the entire story…which even fixes Sly 4…and I’m not joking.
Edit: 4:53 Okay, story also had an OC villain which was after the pages for global conquest. And each page was taken because, “Take it or die,” from Clockwork. Who later reveals that Clockwork wanted to prove to the underworld that Sly’s family name was nothing without the book. Add to it, he was able to read the book, because time travel shenanigans.
Edit edit: 8:29 Once again, Fanfic does actually give a reason for this, but it’s towards the end so…spoilers.
Edit, edit, edit: 11:36 Again, the fic explains it in an interesting way.
Clockwork took some kind of cane modification move and I may say this cooper wrong but he took the disguise technique from Thateunes cooper
Thaddeus :)
Maybe we don’t need to know the pages. Considering that Clockwerk is the only boss we don’t see Sly get pages back from, this could be to reflect Sly’s trauma from the experience that Clockwerk forced on him from killing sly’s parents.
Sly overcomes those that would’ve left him a victim, but there’s still something that he can never get back, that was lost that night on his 8th birthday.
:(
I personally believe that Clockwerk collected those pages in an attempt to find the smartest Coopers and take their knowledge. He after all was a mastermind and genius so if he could take the knowledge of those coopers then so be it. Also, I feel like its less of the pages he took and more of the pages the others took and he took the rest of the book. I think its very important to note that there's only a few dozen pages in the entire game and we know there were WAY more Coopers so I think he had the rest in an attempt to study them.
What if the pages Clockwerk took were the pages detailing the unexplained charge attacks in the later games?
O_O
I kinda thought he stole the pages of the book about sly’s dad until I saw the play through of the 3rd game
I don't think the order changed would've the abilities they would've gotten or paves stolen. The character and their abilities and boss fights were already made they just change positions.
Actually they had a few pages as shown from the vaults you can crack, but yeah what did Clockwerk get?
Edit: so just had a very dumb thought, but what if Clockwerk is not his own entity. What if he is a creation by a mad time traveling Penelope creating a never ending time loop. Think about it. As dumb as Penelope turning bad was, that is a very logical explanation for how Clockwerk came to become mechanical so far in the past.
The thing I'd like to believe, Penelope aiding Clockwerk with his immortality. How do you explain his tech right? Must be time travel of some sorts.
I think it would be a big shock and find his dads pages if they were ever included in the thievius raccoonus and learn the laser slide but like cmon there wouldlnt be much places in sly 2 to laser slide
Has there been any recent news on the Sly Cooper tv series? Btw it’s so cool to see how much you’ve grown bro incredible!
No news yet, and thanks for the support :)
also sly mentioned that every page had clockwork in it
The thievious racoonus is basically the cooper bible but you learn ninja skills
Basically!
I miss this series of games
I'm 16 hours late. No I was playing Sly Cooper. I love your Sly Cooper videos. Especially Clockwork.
Aww thank you!
Just came.across this. Your Dr. M/Clockwerk trade deal really made me think thag it could be true. You really get in the minds and make people think. Great!
Thanks for watching :D
Yes that's true
It be cool to see him come back and Sly Cooper 5
Yeah :D
Don't forget that most of the vaults you come across have other pages
Good point! Still doesn't explain the pages Clockwerk stole, I'm sure he did.