What if this person is sly from an alternate dimension (already mentioned in video, just my own spin). His parents were killed so he is motivated by rage and darkness and tracks down the fiendish five. This evil sly has no concept of Honor It does make sense 3 reasons 1). Current sly was orphaned and sad until he met Bentley and Murray. 2). Alternate evil sly was orphaned and never met Bentley and Murray. 3). We already have time travel, why do we need alternative dimensions this is why it could’ve been scrapped.
We think this Dark Sly is a evil version of Sly that comes from a parallel universe where the Coopers where evil thieves and stole from every one, and that version of Sly killed Murray and Bentley from his universe when they failed a heist and became useless, and he used Bentley's remaining technology to detect our Sly in ancient Egypt and decided to replace him to take our Sly's tittle of the best thieve alive.
A bit wonky on the spelling, but maybe -- like in the Nintendo DS game *"Star Fox: Command" (2006),* where there are *multiple endings* chosen by the player -- ...that might be true. *Who knows?*
I pick the possibility of a Outcast Cooper in the fifth game. To me, this scenario makes a lot more sense - since we technically don't know if any of the Coopers before Sly had more than one kid or not. Not to mention, this Outcast could also be the one who rebuilds Clockwerk after his body was destroyed in Sly 2, as an act of revenge against his/her family. And eventually facing off against Sly himself.
Why thank you! It was just something that came to me as I watched the video. Heck this Outcast Cooper could even be Sly's cousin from a Aunt or Uncle he never heard of.
has anyone stopped to question how the Cooper line's been around for so long? Seriously if the danger of stealing from criminals wasn't enough to at least cut one of their crime sprees short then perhaps the fact that in sly 4 until Sly showed up Tennessee Kid was literally going to be hanged which I can definitely say that's at least a little dark.
I like the idea of an outcast member of the family who decided to follow a darker path. To add more darkness to it maybe also a scenario where this mysterious guy helped clockwork to kill the cooper family with the intention to kill off every last cooper family member in order to become the last of his kind (or maybe out of revenge?). However since sly escaped the mysterious racoon travelled in time to find sly and finish him off.
I really like the alternate dimension one because it would he cool or kinda scary to see another version of yourself, especially if its dark. And BTW I really love all your videos
My personal take on this is that Dark Sly would be Detective Winthorp from the comics. After having enough of Sly being with Carmelita, Winthorp decided do some working out and Parkour training, and ten dawned this Dark Cooper persona to try and ruin Sly's reputation.
I have a theory... a GAME THEORY (sorry it had to be done) that what we're looking at is the reason the Cooper's adopted the "Master Thief's only steal from master criminals" philosophy. Okay picture this, we know that Slytenkahmun(forgive the misspell) wasn't the first thief in the Cooper family because Bob. Now let's say one of the family members who's name has long since been stricken from the Cooper family tree for his dishonor was too greedy and stole from anyone and everything: noble people, charities, orphans, the disabled, that guy who rings the bell in front of Walmarts (okay the last one's just for fun) until one day he does something horrible. In a botched robbery attempt or perhaps even on purpose he tries to steal from family member, and for this he was defeated by his own family, like slytunkahmun I or Sly and is forced to flee. In this humiliation this Cooper wants revenge and so pledges to wipe out the Cooper line, dawning on armor and replacing the parts of his body to another creature of the night, except a hunter; a killer. Thus Clockwork the Owl's born out of hate. One quick note I know that Clockwork was fleshy at one point so it can't make sense, well I'll tell ya know nothing about clockwork makes sense, hate somehow keeping him alive, he somehow being able to survive with all those years while starting his revenge on the Cooper line way back in slytunkahmun's day and why all his his macine parts seemingly wither away within moments of the Hate Chip being destroyed while it survived rather intactly in FREAKING LAVA twice. Anyways perhaps this could be explained by some sorta ye olde voodoo curse he cast on himself which tied himself to a horcrux-like object(s) at the cost of his soul and basic emotions save that which would drive him for revenge. Meanwhile the Cooper tradition was put in place so that another Cooper like "Cooper ?" will ever come again... whaddya think, it's long I know and probably has more holes than the earth, but it does sound epic right? I'll try to tweak it a bit.
Jeez! This is one long comment! -- Edit(s): · Ironically, in one of the two comic books, *Carmelita* said something about Sly *"stealing from the common man,"* as she put it, during which Sly paid her an unexpected visit. But we all know that the *Cooper Clan,* being a family line of master thieves, only steal from lower-ranking thieves and other common crooks, even higher-ranking master criminals. But, try as they might, none of those guys would even come close compared to any of the Cooper descendants over the centuries.
VTNVIVI wait a minute if he isn't a robot haven't you guys considered that it could be Sly's dad and the movie could also share about Sly's dads back story because we never really known much about his history or his thieving days!?!?!?
VTNVIVI I want to tell you something do you know the game sonic unleashed now I know this sounds farfetched but what if dark sly first met sly in ancient Egypt then sended a dark spirit in sly cooper causing him to have strange abilities and if you played the game then you know what I mean you know wolf racoon.
You know how some of the coopers were actually women? Well maybe this "dark sly" was a raccoon that became husband with one of the women coopers and gained all the skills from reading the thevius raccoonus and got a cane personalized for him
Penelope helped gently to build the time machine. So Penelope is smart, maybe she turned against them for some reason by making a fake sly .not robotic but leaving person, using advanced technology( genetics) Or the "past" wants to destroy them by using a fake or replica sly(dark sly or punisher) because they changed the past.... every action has a reaction....
What if (going back to the alternate dimensions idea) dark sly is a alternate dimension Cooper where the coopers and clock werk switched places. Coopers falling short of clock werk and since a Cooper would be robotic and consumed with hate and jealousy like clock werk normally, he could see sly and hate him jealous of his success and such and could even end up with the 2 forming a good guy bad guy alliance to finish off Slys clock werk since I'm sure both coopers don't like him.
Apart from the fact that the character doesn't look robotic, who knows what goes on in that other dimension. We could also talk about an opposite gang, where they simply rob and hurt anyone who comes in their way. This guy finidng Sly and becoming jealous is another scenario yes :), thanks for sharing!
This or perhaps a dimension where this may be Sly after his parents were killed and under the possibility that he was kidnapped or he ran away, growing up consumed with hatred and isolation. I mean, if they could make time traveling possible, then they could very well make other dimensions possible
I think what will happen in sly 5 is that after sly escapes and marries carmileta and they have a kid, 15 years later sly get a bit dark inside and the game gets a new playable character, sly's son who has supernatural powers unlike his parents, the villain is an evil wizard plans to kill all of sly's ansesters by killing bob so the other coopers will not exist and the gang stops him but the end will reveal that in anchent Egypt that clockwork puts a hate chip in his brain and took over his body completely and gains supernatural powers like sly's son and in sly 6 the main character is sly's son and he gain all the abilities his dada got so he can save the world and his dad, and at the end he fights clockwork in his dads body and it is a battle of equals and sly gets the determination to destroy the hate chip in his brain to finish clockwork for good and sly's son at the end becomes a cop by day, and master teift by night
I like your idea of sly cooper being turned evil. Especially the possession and mind control ideas. In fact, I have a sly cooper mind control fan fiction in the works right now.
hey vivi, great video once again. The idea of a family member that got left out is the best one for me. it sounds so sly-ish. I think that is actually an idea that can be worked out.
Honestly, these all sound like awesome ideas to base a new story upon. Ho boy...which to choose as my favourite? Well, maybe the alternate dimension -- that seems to be the most open-ended, so to speak. It would provide a limitless number of storytelling options.
Oh boy, where would I begin? I got chills up my spine just hearing them. They may not be canon, but considering how dark the series can get, I am not surprised. The idea of using Sly as a vessel or something reminds me of the Horcrux spell from Harry Potter. The horcrux is an object where a wizard can transfer their soul too. Who says the wizards using that is only limited to the HP verse? (well maybe copyright issues) I know the idea of Sly being possessed is serious and all, but I have this funny image of Murray trying to perform an exorcism by slapping the demon out like that scene from the recent Ghostbusters movie. (Maybe'ill work?) For anyone wondering about technology in ancient times, it is understandable that people will find this farfetched, but there has been theories of secret societies far more advance. Much ahead of their time, inventing things that have not been invented until much later? Is it aliens, time travels, secret agendas to bury them so they can be reborn? We will never know. I have a strong feeling that alchemy is involved. That, and if there is a dark Cooper, then somewhere, there is a good Clockwerk.
It gave you chills :O? I'm glad many of you enjoyed the video. Since the Sly series has some funny moments, I could imagine Murray slapping the hack out of Sly hahaha (saw the Ghostbusters movie). Apparently, some researchers believe that electricity existed in Ancient Egypt (drawing of a huge light bulb). Thanks for sharing :D
this version of sly lost bentley and murray at an early age and became a much darker and less merciful not allowing anybody to get away and becoming the only being that clockwerk genuinely fears
oh but in the movie since they are going to troll us might as well just say his Mom died right after sly Cooper's dad and mom made a baby that was named sly Cooper
A Wizard that practiced *alchemy* trying to make the elixer of life? we got some Raccoonus transmutation here? (Fullmetal Achemist references are the goodest :D)
I'd love to see some sort of parallel universe/alternative timeline where Sly either ends up working for Clockwerk, or got captured during their confrontation at the end of Sly 1 and was forced to go through the same transformation process as Clockwerk. I can't think of a solid reason for how that would make any sense, seeing as Clockwerk's only motivation for replacing his body with machinery was to ultimately live to see the end of the Cooper line, by his hands (talons) or by other means. Sly 5 could be super ballsy and start with Sly screwing up the timeline while stuck in Egypt. From there Bentley and Murray would find and return with Sly to the present where history as they knew it would be completely altered with Clockwerk still alive and a robotic Sly as his lackie.
Sly might alter the past thus changing the future. If they do go back and Clockwerk is still alive, how much damage would they have caused? If he's still alive far in the future, that would mean he spared Sly's parents or perhaps didn't. If Sly still exists, that would mean he either went to the orphanage still or his parents were spared which I highly doubt. Sly changing the past could affect the friendship bond as well.
I think this Dark Sly can be a family member of the Coopers that went on a dark path and was watching Sly from afar and was waiting for the right moment to attack him. Another idea would be that Clockwerk took over Sly's mind and have it where Sly's son has to be the hero and save his father.
Joonas Meriläinen nope because in sly one they didn't mention about a brother IF he had one then they would mention him in one of the games I mean they already did FOUR games man
This evil sly could be the result of the events of thieves in time. Think of it, he was in a malfunctioning Time Machine which could give him unbelievable powers, trapped in the past, away from his friends, he was outsmarted by the irritating Le Paradox out of his glider, and was betrayed by his friend Penelope which could have broken his spirit and make him a cooper version of Clockwerk. Sounds like the main antagonist for a Sly 5.
Or maybe... what if, at some point, Sly himself actually *BECAME* Dark Sly? (cue "Master of Puppets" on stereo) 🎵 *"Master! Master!"* Where's the dreams that I've been after?!" *"Master! Master!* You promised only lies!" *"Laughter! Laughter!* All I hear or see is laughter!" *"Laughter! Laughter!"* Laughing at my cries...!" 🎵 *"FIX ME...!!!!!"* - Lyrics from the *title track* to the third studio album *"Master of Puppets" (1986)* by American heavy metal band *Metallica.*
Maybe Sly Cooper found a hidden temple and inside was a Cooper mask and thought to himself maybe I should put it on but when he put it on he is soon as you put it on something went inside of him but over time it made him insane
Maybe throughout Sly 5 we could see the dark sly character in ancient egypt as well as n the present and then at the end it is revealed to be SLY'S DAD. We never saw him die we never see his face and this is why. We will then get a back story about Sly's mom and how she sold him out to Clockwerk because she was under his influence.What do u guys think...
0:00 - "And from the canceled PSP game, Shadow Cooper shall make his literal appearance!" 0:09 - Whoa! That was both loud again and a seriously spooky track, it's from Kingdom Hearts right? It at first sounded like something you'd hear from Sly Cooper. 0:21 - You did? I'm sure you said that in this video instead: th-cam.com/video/Ccb7dMeFxOg/w-d-xo.html 0:26 - Not sure if you've checked but we've been talking a lot about this on the amino app, a lot of ideas and theories have come up. I'll tell you my idea if you're close to it. 0:51 - What if he was inspired by that job where you are playing as Panda King in the 3rd game where you first have to balance the darkness with the light? This guy could exist for the good of justice. 1:28 - I'm sure I will. 1:39 - Really? How does this guy look robotic? Perhaps they were reminded of Clockwerk when they saw him. 1:59 - Agreed. 2:07 - Possession? I'm sure it's an illusion according to the mystic in the 2nd Ratchet & Clank game on PS2, Also that's a nice new touch there, adding a snow effect to cobble with the darkness surrounding him. :) 2:20 - BENTLEY: "Sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me but we've encountered some unexplainable phenomenon over the years so I'm not going to rule it out as a threat." 4:11 - Good because my idea will include him. 4:44 - Your like really good at figuring out how most of the fans will react! :D 5:16 - A little yeah but I could imagine that happening, kind of like how Jak changed after 2 years of experimentation with dark Eco but only difference is that Sly's will wasn't as strong as Jak's. 5:21 - Doppelganger master? Or a disguise master like Thaddeus. 6:45 - Wait but the ribbons look more intact and the cane looks smaller compared to the other image. 7:11 - I still feel they should bring her back in some form, perhaps she could be more involved with Clockwerk's backstory. 8:21 - What if he gave him immortality?! :0 8:40 - Called it! 9:23 - Speaking of computers, I'm not sure if you remember but I once told you that Clockwerk mentioned that "M1 shall live!", what do you think that means? 9:29 - Equal parts science and black magic. 10:51 - Now's probably a good time to mention my idea: what if Clockwerk was from the Cooper clan? At least the spirit within him, it could have originated from this guy. But if that's the case then does that mean that Shadow Cooper used to live within someone from the Cooper clan? If so then who? 10:53 - Outcast? As in an outcast from the clan? 11:27 - Well logic from Frozen could fit into the series. 12:21 - I wouldn't believe that. :P 12:33 - Wait so he does have a name? Sounds like Dark Jak. I would prefer either Shadow Cooper, Cooper Of Darkness, Shadowus Raccoonnus or something like that but OK. :P 12:47 - Wrong series VTNVIVI. :P 13:02 - Alternate Dimension? I don't think this one will be as likely as the others but let's see. 13:23 - I would believe he was naturally born with more darkness then light unlike the Sly we know. 14:21 - I was just thinking about that! What if Shadow Cooper was there at that time and he aided Clockwerk back then? He could've given him useful info on the Cooper's and that's how Carmelita got captured! 15:16 - Vessel? Didn't you mentioned that in an earlier scenario? 15:58 - Whoever thought of that: impressive logic! :) 16:07 - What if the chip didn't help Clockwerk back when he was out for Cooper blood up to the events of the 1st game? What if Arpeggio only tried to replicate the hate and surprisingly did so no problem? 16:16 - I can actually see that happening. Even though she's still in Heathrow Prison I still feel we haven't seen the last of her either. 17:02 - And that's how the movie Avatar is created! Also I wished you could've done the same with Clockwerk when you mentioned that line he says in the gas chamber but OK, and also you have a point there, I believe Clockwerk was still there somewhere. Maybe Neyla was another victim. Maybe that's most likely what happened to Shadow Cooper or how Clockwerk was created. 17:30 - New Theory! What if that was Clockwerk's whole intention in the 1st game? What if he had planned to enlist Mz. Ruby's help to transfer his mind into Sly with her voodoo? 17:48 - Never watched that. :P 18:54 - I say Sly's old man, it could be a prequel. 18:59 - And if you worked on the whole thing, YOU are awesome! :D 19:27 - I'll probably have to re-watch the whole thing again and again just to remember all 5 of them and then comment again. :P 19:33 - And as always. we are all happy to watch. :) Now to get that spooky track off my mind with an awesome ending!
From least to most interesting: Alternate Dimension - Despite the fact that time travel is introduced in the 4th game, I don't really believe that Shadow Cooper comes from an alternate dimension because he looks so ancient and medieval to be Sly from a different dimension, he must've come from a different time period instead. Doppelganger Master - I do believe that Mz. Ruby could be involved in some way but I feel that a clone wouldn't be epic to think that this guy could be Sly's doppelganger. Possession - I like the idea of an evil spirit within an Egyptian artifact taking over Sly and taking time to do so, even the wizard does sound more epic! Though I still feel that Clockwerk should be involved in this. Outcast - This one is pretty much what I wouldn't mind seeing in the series, a cursed member of the Cooper clan being treated an outcast like Elsa from Frozen except that he ends up with hatred for the clan and ends up in a showdown with Sly with emotion! Vessel - I honestly rank this one above the others mainly because I believe that Shadow Cooper and Clockwerk could potentially be the same person in a way. We haven't seen Mz. Ruby in any other game of the series besides the 1st game. Since she was a voodoo mystic like that wizard you mentioned earlier, what if she helped Clockwerk with his immortality up until Sly defeated her? Clockwerk could've hired an expert on black magic or voodoo time and time again. Also the fact that he could've taken over Neyla kind of supports the idea I had of Clockwerk being a Cooper before, what if the spirit of Shadow Cooper lived inside him and eventually made his parts his home?
+Tabreez Siddique Dark Sly probably is corrupted sly from another dimension/timeline also he most likely was possessed by ancient evil spirit is pretty interesting
Gotta include a spooky soundtrack for this one :) Haven't seen the theory on Amino :( I'm glad you liked the transitions! The other image is a rough one, notice it wasn't colored, maybe he had scrapped it for the new one. The M1 part, I have no idea, haven't heard him say it. If a Cooper's spirit was within the owl, why even choose a bird form? Sure, weaponry and stuff like that, but there's lack of agility. I'm glad you liked the idea of this guy aiding Clockwerk, adds a little twist and ideas for future sequels. I thought people would hate the idea of Clockwerk possessing Sly haha, glad I kept it.
Kind of an odd idea but what if dark sly is Sly Cooper under the effect of spice from the second game? Let's just say Penelope goes back in time to the point where she is able to get the Contessa to join her and they manage to go to where sly is in the past, trap him, make him ingest the large amount of spice and he is put into a trance. Being under the trance and the spice drives him mad to the point he becomes dark sly, and from what the one comment said about batman beyond, Penelope could have full control on how much it effects him with a chip on him. Could lead to him going back to yes kill his friends and possibly there could be a moment where he gets hurt enough, they see him turn back to normal for a few seconds before reverting back to dark sly. Its an odd an idea, could be dumb but im sure a couple of games/movies have done something related to it.
With time travel existing, what if it is just sly from the future? Maybe something happens to sly where he matures or has a serious loss, possibly carmelita.
I would very much love to see a concept about an outcast Cooper. To be fair though, I would like to keep it inherently simple. For that particular idea I believe less is more, especially if we talk about a forgotten Cooper, rather than the whole dark wizard mumbo-jumbo. I'm not implying it's a bad idea or anything of the sort, however the concept of a forgotten child might as well be enough of a motive for Darth Cooper to go apeshit as well as a possibility for a toxic ideology that includes but is not limited to: Brutality, Murder, Theft(The bad kind) and possibly even being a Bounty Hunter
A phantom perhaps? For example, a manifestation of Sly's darker emotions (anger, frustration, sadness, and regret) that he'll have to confront later on. Perhaps the entity could be summoned during a conflict with an individual using some variation of dark magic. Heck, maybe it could take on the form of Sly's father? After all, they do share a similar build from what's been shown. Just mere speculation, of course.
Another idea... what if the Outcast idea is correct, except that this isn't just "some Cooper", but rather Clockwerk before becoming robotic? After all, every time we see a fleshy Clockwerk is an imagine spot, NOT a picture or memory or what have you.
I got one. Sly Cooper from an alternate universe who went insane after failing to save Carmelita from something, which led him to go on a killing spree, corrupting his soul. The cane was modified to absorb the powers and abilities of everyone he kills.
To bill the kid Sly was in a time wormhole so the means that he was go through the timeline which means that if you travel and just randomly went into the time wormhole you be sent to that time randomly as well that how works
(Going with the Corrupted/possession idea) Sly being evil doesn't necessarily mean he can't be the main character. This game is after all based on his story, and tbh, I'd love to play as Dark Sly, he looks so badass. OR The real Sly could be overcoming obstacles with in his mind, set up by Dark Sly to keep him at bay. By Obstacles, I mean like levels, not metaphoric obstacles. Then it can switch from Sly to the Cooper Gang, as they are trying to save both Sly and themselves from Dark Sly. But I think with the Sly 5 cliff hanger idea, the first mission of Sly 6 could be as Dark Sly, you could play as him stalking menacingly across the rooftops of Egypt only to come across the cooper van, then he some how sneaks on and is transported to the present.
There is such thing as people who are the spitting images of each other, but aren't related. And there's faux fur. Perhaps someone is going around and slandering the Cooper name? Stealing from the innocent, hurting those in his/her way(regardless if they're innocent), and screwing up his name. It could also be a robot that Clockwerk could use against the Cooper name, and here's my reasoning: Clockwerk is obviously tech-savvy; he created an immortal body and built hundreds of traps and gadgets. So it wouldn't be too much trouble to create a robot that looks disturbingly like the living. Faux fur, clothing, and a cane would be child's play. And if not Clockwerk, then someone as knowledgeable. Penelope created sentient robots, why can't someone else? Or perhaps Clockwerk's vengeful soul found itself a new body...
VTNVIVI I agree. I'd love to see the return of Clockwerk, since he has a big part in Sly's past. It felt a bit short-sighted, and I want to see a bigger importance in the movie(if it happens; I've been waiting for a while :/).
That figure coud be a mode in sly 5. the cane he is holding is the artifact and when sly touches it, it doen't take over him immediately, but it will slowly take over. If clockwerk comes back, it would be cool to presume that villain was an accuaintance of him in egypt. In the ned sly gets controlled by that spirit
I hope that Sly will get evil by someone or something!!! It would make the game so epic and exiting! Everything you said in that video was really good ideas! But dark Sly would be awesome!
maybe their taking a Terminator turn and put skin on the robot except for the optics to install fear like bat Man looking like a bat to install in criminals
What if it's not one of his ancestors come back from the dead, but instead Mz. Ruby infused Connor with magic (the night he died on Clockwerk's orders) that would activate upon the destruction of Clockwerk's hate chip? It would naturally take time for the body to recover (not to mention the addition of Mz. Ruby's magics) but once he has, this "Dark Sly" would have every single skill that Sly would have, along with Clockwerk's unfettered hatred for all things Cooper. Now imagine the pain and character development Sly would go through, having to kill his own father.
Hi, VTNVIVI! I didn't really watch the whole video to be honest because (to me) it seems way to long for a simple discussion about who the character might be, and because I come by for your Sly Cooper discussion videos every once in a while, but here is my fan theory on this guy: First off, I don't really like the name "Dark Sly". In this theory I'm just gonna call him Frank, O.K? Now what if "Frank" is an ancestor of Sly Cooper? Or maybe a distant relative? What if Frank lost his chance of becoming a Cooper, lost his birthright, or had left, was banished, shunned, or kicked out of the Cooper Clan for something he did in his past? He then started studying mystical arts, the occult, whatever, and he pretty much becomes immortal and a psychic. As time passes he sees the Cooper Clan being killed off by Clockwerk. Frank watches from a distance letting Clockwerk slaughter them all. Just so he can have vengeance on them for shunning him. In the end Clockwerk goes after Frank and Frank barely survives even with the mystical enhancements he have in his body. In the fight Clockwerk tells Frank that he knew that he was letting him kill them and that by killing them and learning their tactics that Frank doesn't have any real chance of stopping the him. So Frank flees as long as he can and he goes in hiding. Having to live with being defeated and living with how he stood by and watched those who loved (or maybe hated) him die. So Frank decides to wait, until a time when technology is advanced enough so he can go back in time to stop this all and to save everyone. To redeem himself. Now it is present day (right now I'm just going to ignore the whole time travel Sanzaru story, mostly because I absolutely hated what Sanzaru did to the history of the games, so, I guess this is pretty much my idea of what that PSP game could have been) and it is known worldwide how successful Sly and his gang is and how Sly defeated Clockwerk then Clock-La, opened the vault and he became a truly honorable member of the Cooper Clan, even though none of his ancestors (or father) are around to hear it. Frank them gets Sly's help (well pretty much Bentley's help) in constructing a time machine to go back in time to stop... Something. If you are wonder why I said "something" is because Frank does NOT specify what he is going back in time to stop out of fear Sly and his gang will refuse it (oh and if you are wonder Carmelita goes along with them, she hates Sly for faking amnesia but they are married now so they have to stick together, so yeah. It being like this also gets rid of that cop and robber thing Sanzaru stupidly brought back in TiT). So they go back in time, to different eras and everything and at one point Frank departs from them (doing something secretly of course), then somehow Sly and the gang find out of his true motives, so they try to stop him but they ultimately fail. Then Sly is left with the dilemma on whether or not he should save his entire family from the monster who killed them all or stop Frank and let his entire family die. Sly choses the latter, and go for Frank. Then using his powers Frank rounds up mystical energy combines said energy with the energy from the time machine and basically he becomes a time traveler. Bentley finds that he can home in on Franks location using the time machine and the plan to stop him goes from there. Frank goes to different eras to kill Clockwerk and the Gang have to stop him or else everything will change in the future. That's my idea of it. Hope to hear some feedback. I know it's long and I know I didn't have any courtesy to look through your whole video but please read through it all. Thank you.
You sure wrote a lot, thanks for taking the time :). If Clockwerk killed all the ancestors, stopping him... wouldn't that change Frank's future or existence? Sure, the parents remain alive, growing up with your parents might maybe affect one's choices in life, will that choice impact Frank's existence? As for redeeming himself, he would have to save his father first, you know so his dad sees him as a hero, BUT the right thing to do would be to start from the beginning (that's what's going to feel right to him). Thing is, if Frank goes back to the past, he might encounter his old self who at that time still had a grudge against his family, will he get in the way? Interesting read!
What if this is one of Sly's ancestors that went against the mold and robbed anyone and everyone? He robbed the poor, killed anyone who got in his way, etc.
13:16 Or maybe in that other dimension, Carmelita was murdered and Sly wanted revenge on the culprit. Leading him to the first kill, which turned him into a vigilante. That, or this Sly would kill anyone that gets in his way of thieving. Though, despite all that, it would make a pretty awesome, future Sly game. Like, "Thieves Between Dimensions" or something like that.
Wow, I didn't think so much could be thought of just by 1-picture. But I'm going to have to go with Ancient Egypt seeing as most artifacts are associated with supernatural phenomena (which leads me to believe Clockwerk started in Egypt, seeing there are owl heiroglyphs). Either Sly messing around with an artifact slowly turns him Dark and probably doesn't fully show until Sly returns to the present. Or it could be a little like Legend of Spyro. Also Egypt was scrapped in Sly 4, which lacked a paranormal level. And Sly 4 was likely inspired by the cancelled game as both involved time travel. So Dark Sly could still happen. But there's also Alternate dimension. After seeing Evil Crash and planned Good Cortex & Evil Coco in Crash Twinsanity. It could be likely that there could be what's considered a dark dimension. Which Dark Sly somehow comes to Sly's dimension and we have this doppleganger type of thing happening, sort of like Dark Vs. normal Spyro in Skylanders Academy or Sonic Vs. Shadow. But then there's PS All-Stars, which I think is something completely different. Anyways VIVI, I apologize again for the long comment on slightly over 2-year old video. But I just discovered this topic. Great video as always.
wait a minute if he isn't a robot haven't you guys considered that it could be Sly's dad and the movie could also share about Sly's dads back story because we never really known much about his history or his thieving days!?!?!?
The movie can only include so much, I think the team would rather focus on the trio the most. Plus, if all Fiendish members are included, know that they need screentime. I'd only imagine a slight flashback if anything.
Hi VIVI, hope you're having a good weekend! So, do you remember that theory, about how sly is his own father? that stayed in my mind.. Some back to the future stuff right there, But if this is true, what if this is sly's father? and I know what you're thinking, But why would his father be evil? And well, that's hard to say. The best idea off of that is your scenario, where the microchip got into sly, and clockwork took over. with clockwerks backup memories. Bentley & Murray find Dark Sly, and take him home but then Dark Sly pulls out his cane and throws it into the machine (His cane was his fathers so it goes back to sly as a child.) Dark Sly traps Bentley & Murray in the van, while he goes off to kill Conner. Just then, some of sly's conscience kicks in and fights back somehow breaking the microchip. And when that happens sly is gone. Clockwerk is gone. Sly's conscience is nowhere, clockwerk's microchip has broken, leading sly into the broken chip, and Dark Sly, also known as Conner, Is nobody. Just a brain and cells combining no personality. he meets his wife, sly's mom, and has a child (Sly) a few years pass, and come The Fiendish Five. l Holy crap that took long to think up, what do you think? Far fetched? BTW did we ever see Conner in the Thievius Raccoonus? Maybe that's something to do with it.
How was your weekend? Thanks for asking :D Wooahh, if dark Sly attempted to kill his father, he would get erased :O Wait, I'm confused, you went from Dark Sly to Conner being dark, hmm.. am I missing something?
there a lots things that could happen. 1 a clone gone bad, 2 a dark ancestor that was brother one of ancestor to one of the coopers.3 this ancestor made clockwork. 4 the clan is bigger then we think
I have an idea. Like you said in the past Dark Sly could be a brother to whatever Cooper and betray them and join Clockwerk not caring who he hurts and ends up betraing Clockwerk almost killing him and leaving him for dead creating Clockwerks hate for the coopers. Somehow getting to the future Dark Sly being just as skilled as Sly but not caring for suttlety when theaving just goes through every one not caring just to get whatever he was stealing being a Coopers still leaving Cooper signs, Carmelita and the team would think its Sly nut wonder what Sly's doing because he would not leave badly injerd or dead people like that and try to find the real Sly and stop Dark Sly.
It is assumed that a Cooper caused Clockwerk to become the raging robot that he was. What if this Cooper is the one? I mean, surely the Cooper line hasn't had flawless run of good thieves. There had to have been a bad egg in there somewhere.
Unless the Cooper line never spoke of him. It would damage their thieving reputation knowing that their greatest threat was caused by a Cooper who strayed away from the family and chose to actually be a true criminal rather than a "Robin Hood" like vigilante.
What if this person is sly from an alternate dimension (already mentioned in video, just my own spin). His parents were killed so he is motivated by rage and darkness and tracks down the fiendish five. This evil sly has no concept of Honor
It does make sense 3 reasons
1). Current sly was orphaned and sad until he met Bentley and Murray.
2). Alternate evil sly was orphaned and never met Bentley and Murray.
3). We already have time travel, why do we need alternative dimensions this is why it could’ve been scrapped.
Cool!
Now, *THAT'S* an *"interesting hypothesis,"* as the "Overwatch" character *Moira O'Dearrin (Genevieve O'Reilly)* would put it.
We think this Dark Sly is a evil version of Sly that comes from a parallel universe where the Coopers where evil thieves and stole from every one, and that version of Sly killed Murray and Bentley from his universe when they failed a heist and became useless, and he used Bentley's remaining technology to detect our Sly in ancient Egypt and decided to replace him to take our Sly's tittle of the best thieve alive.
A bit wonky on the spelling, but maybe -- like in the Nintendo DS game *"Star Fox: Command" (2006),* where there are *multiple endings* chosen by the player -- ...that might be true.
*Who knows?*
That is seriously messed up
The eyes makes the Dark Sly look robotic.
This is probably Sly if he existed in the Darksiders universe.
The theme definitely looks like it.
Daniel Pinto All my yes.
That what I've been thinking, the art style definitely shows it (also I have the second game of darksiders)
Plot twist- It is not a villainous Sly or Vessel Sly but Sly if he is woken up from his wet dreams of Carmelita
N The Hedgehog lmao yes
Ramza Beoulve Lol
Trying not to laugh. That dream was somethin... hahaha
VTNVIVI Yes, yes it was.
N The Hedgehog you mean sly turning into a mummy?
I pick the possibility of a Outcast Cooper in the fifth game. To me, this scenario makes a lot more sense - since we technically don't know if any of the Coopers before Sly had more than one kid or not. Not to mention, this Outcast could also be the one who rebuilds Clockwerk after his body was destroyed in Sly 2, as an act of revenge against his/her family. And eventually facing off against Sly himself.
This is another interesting scenario!
Why thank you! It was just something that came to me as I watched the video. Heck this Outcast Cooper could even be Sly's cousin from a Aunt or Uncle he never heard of.
has anyone stopped to question how the Cooper line's been around for so long? Seriously if the danger of stealing from criminals wasn't enough to at least cut one of their crime sprees short then perhaps the fact that in sly 4 until Sly showed up Tennessee Kid was literally going to be hanged which I can definitely say that's at least a little dark.
Now that would be awesome!
I like the idea of me being a badass but more like a wisecracking badass
I like the idea of an outcast member of the family who decided to follow a darker path. To add more darkness to it maybe also a scenario where this mysterious guy helped clockwork to kill the cooper family with the intention to kill off every last cooper family member in order to become the last of his kind (or maybe out of revenge?). However since sly escaped the mysterious racoon travelled in time to find sly and finish him off.
I really like the alternate dimension one because it would he cool or kinda scary to see another version of yourself, especially if its dark. And BTW I really love all your videos
The alternate dimension is the easiest one to go with imo. And thanks for the support :)
My personal take on this is that Dark Sly would be Detective Winthorp from the comics. After having enough of Sly being with Carmelita, Winthorp decided do some working out and Parkour training, and ten dawned this Dark Cooper persona to try and ruin Sly's reputation.
I have a theory... a GAME THEORY (sorry it had to be done) that what we're looking at is the reason the Cooper's adopted the "Master Thief's only steal from master criminals" philosophy. Okay picture this, we know that Slytenkahmun(forgive the misspell) wasn't the first thief in the Cooper family because Bob. Now let's say one of the family members who's name has long since been stricken from the Cooper family tree for his dishonor was too greedy and stole from anyone and everything: noble people, charities, orphans, the disabled, that guy who rings the bell in front of Walmarts (okay the last one's just for fun) until one day he does something horrible. In a botched robbery attempt or perhaps even on purpose he tries to steal from family member, and for this he was defeated by his own family, like slytunkahmun I or Sly and is forced to flee. In this humiliation this Cooper wants revenge and so pledges to wipe out the Cooper line, dawning on armor and replacing the parts of his body to another creature of the night, except a hunter; a killer. Thus Clockwork the Owl's born out of hate. One quick note I know that Clockwork was fleshy at one point so it can't make sense, well I'll tell ya know nothing about clockwork makes sense, hate somehow keeping him alive, he somehow being able to survive with all those years while starting his revenge on the Cooper line way back in slytunkahmun's day and why all his his macine parts seemingly wither away within moments of the Hate Chip being destroyed while it survived rather intactly in FREAKING LAVA twice. Anyways perhaps this could be explained by some sorta ye olde voodoo curse he cast on himself which tied himself to a horcrux-like object(s) at the cost of his soul and basic emotions save that which would drive him for revenge. Meanwhile the Cooper tradition was put in place so that another Cooper like "Cooper ?" will ever come again... whaddya think, it's long I know and probably has more holes than the earth, but it does sound epic right? I'll try to tweak it a bit.
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EDIT: walmart dude xD
Jeez! This is one long comment!
-- Edit(s):
· Ironically, in one of the two comic books, *Carmelita* said something about Sly *"stealing from the common man,"* as she put it,
during which Sly paid her an unexpected visit. But we all know that the *Cooper Clan,* being a family line of master thieves, only steal
from lower-ranking thieves and other common crooks, even higher-ranking master criminals. But, try as they might, none of those guys
would even come close compared to any of the Cooper descendants over the centuries.
Dark sly could be a blob from a lab that it escapes that learned how to shape shift
Oh, interesting one.
Thank you
I'm a fan of sly
Awesome!
Same here (even though I don't own any copies of the four games)!
Looking at the like/dislike ratio, it seems like you guys REALLY enjoyed the video, I appreciate it :D
VTNVIVI wait a minute if he isn't a robot haven't you guys considered that it could be Sly's dad and the movie could also share about Sly's dads back story because we never really known much about his history or his thieving days!?!?!?
VTNVIVI whyyyyyy I now have to make dark sly in lbp3 and my hands are sore from making the sly cooper movie sly cooper😫
VTNVIVI I want to tell you something do you know the game sonic unleashed now I know this sounds farfetched but what if dark sly first met sly in ancient Egypt then sended a dark spirit in sly cooper causing him to have strange abilities and if you played the game then you know what I mean you know wolf racoon.
VTNVIVI and also if you had to make the next new villain what animal would it be and what personalities?
Angel Ortiz Hmm... A wolf? Someone with a very quiet nature?
You know how some of the coopers were actually women? Well maybe this "dark sly" was a raccoon that became husband with one of the women coopers and gained all the skills from reading the thevius raccoonus and got a cane personalized for him
Yup! If this was a corrupted husband, these dark events would take place after the child was born.
Who knows?
I love it when your theory's get really far fetched. Makes me really think. This vid makes me want this game even more XD Anyways, nice video👍
I appreciate it :D
Penelope helped gently to build the time machine. So Penelope is smart, maybe she turned against them for some reason by making a fake sly .not robotic but leaving person, using advanced technology( genetics)
Or the "past" wants to destroy them by using a fake or replica sly(dark sly or punisher) because they changed the past.... every action has a reaction....
What if (going back to the alternate dimensions idea)
dark sly is a alternate dimension Cooper where the coopers and clock werk switched places. Coopers falling short of clock werk and since a Cooper would be robotic and consumed with hate and jealousy like clock werk normally, he could see sly and hate him jealous of his success and such and could even end up with the 2 forming a good guy bad guy alliance to finish off Slys clock werk since I'm sure both coopers don't like him.
Apart from the fact that the character doesn't look robotic, who knows what goes on in that other dimension. We could also talk about an opposite gang, where they simply rob and hurt anyone who comes in their way. This guy finidng Sly and becoming jealous is another scenario yes :), thanks for sharing!
This or perhaps a dimension where this may be Sly after his parents were killed and under the possibility that he was kidnapped or he ran away, growing up consumed with hatred and isolation. I mean, if they could make time traveling possible, then they could very well make other dimensions possible
I think what will happen in sly 5 is that after sly escapes and marries carmileta and they have a kid, 15 years later sly get a bit dark inside and the game gets a new playable character, sly's son who has supernatural powers unlike his parents, the villain is an evil wizard plans to kill all of sly's ansesters by killing bob so the other coopers will not exist and the gang stops him but the end will reveal that in anchent Egypt that clockwork puts a hate chip in his brain and took over his body completely and gains supernatural powers like sly's son and in sly 6 the main character is sly's son and he gain all the abilities his dada got so he can save the world and his dad, and at the end he fights clockwork in his dads body and it is a battle of equals and sly gets the determination to destroy the hate chip in his brain to finish clockwork for good and sly's son at the end becomes a cop by day, and master teift by night
Thanks for sharing :D
Bob is caveman cooper
your welcome
I like your idea of sly cooper being turned evil. Especially the possession and mind control ideas. In fact, I have a sly cooper mind control fan fiction in the works right now.
hey vivi, great video once again.
The idea of a family member that got left out is the best one for me.
it sounds so sly-ish. I think that is actually an idea that can be worked out.
Glad you enjoyed it :D
Honestly, these all sound like awesome ideas to base a new story upon. Ho boy...which to choose as my favourite?
Well, maybe the alternate dimension -- that seems to be the most open-ended, so to speak. It would provide a limitless number of storytelling options.
I'd say it's the easiest idea to go with in terms of new story and plot :). I'm glad you enjoyed the video :D
The Idea of an Evil/Dark Sly Cooper is not a bad idea honestly.
:D
maybe something happened during the sly 4 final boss fight that altered the past. Le Paradox even rips a hole in timespace just before the battle.
How would the future change the past? One way of doing so is having Sly interacting with organic Clockwerk (Bentley will warn him in time)
Oh boy, where would I begin? I got chills up my spine just hearing them. They may not be canon, but considering how dark the series can get, I am not surprised. The idea of using Sly as a vessel or something reminds me of the Horcrux spell from Harry Potter. The horcrux is an object where a wizard can transfer their soul too. Who says the wizards using that is only limited to the HP verse? (well maybe copyright issues)
I know the idea of Sly being possessed is serious and all, but I have this funny image of Murray trying to perform an exorcism by slapping the demon out like that scene from the recent Ghostbusters movie. (Maybe'ill work?)
For anyone wondering about technology in ancient times, it is understandable that people will find this farfetched, but there has been theories of secret societies far more advance. Much ahead of their time, inventing things that have not been invented until much later? Is it aliens, time travels, secret agendas to bury them so they can be reborn? We will never know.
I have a strong feeling that alchemy is involved. That, and if there is a dark Cooper, then somewhere, there is a good Clockwerk.
It gave you chills :O? I'm glad many of you enjoyed the video. Since the Sly series has some funny moments, I could imagine Murray slapping the hack out of Sly hahaha (saw the Ghostbusters movie). Apparently, some researchers believe that electricity existed in Ancient Egypt (drawing of a huge light bulb). Thanks for sharing :D
this version of sly lost bentley and murray at an early age and became a much darker and less merciful not allowing anybody to get away and becoming the only being that clockwerk genuinely fears
Ooooh, interesting! O.O
Or what if Clockwerk took him under his wing (no pun intended :P), like someone mentioned? He uses the vulnerable child.
Indeed.
wait I hope in the movie that also mention his mother because we don't know about anything about his Mom
Perhaps we might see her face, or Rainmaker might decide to troll us and do the same exact thing as in the games :P
oh but in the movie since they are going to troll us might as well just say his Mom died right after sly Cooper's dad and mom made a baby that was named sly Cooper
Radiyah Klass Who know.
I hope they don't only put the 5th game of sly Cooper on ps4 because I have a ps3 and other people also😥😥😥
Radiyah Klass I think Sony will aim for the PS4... All AAA games are pretty much next gen :/
maybe in this dimension they found a dimensionator :)
Cue R&C/Sly/Jak crossover!!!! I could imagine a villain like this.
When there was a Doppelganger it would be so cool to have the final boss fight: Sly vs Dark Sly
A Wizard that practiced *alchemy* trying to make the elixer of life? we got some Raccoonus transmutation here? (Fullmetal Achemist references are the goodest :D)
Wow.
You made my day. (Day transmutation)
You should really turn these into a book or something. Your theories are amazing. They have potential for whole stories wrote from these
That means so much thank you :D
Maybe Sly's just slowly turning out to be what Clockwork is
Dun dun dun!
That transition is fucking menacing
Haha :P
Evan Byrne aka ButtonMK i literally agree bro XD
I'd love to see some sort of parallel universe/alternative timeline where Sly either ends up working for Clockwerk, or got captured during their confrontation at the end of Sly 1 and was forced to go through the same transformation process as Clockwerk. I can't think of a solid reason for how that would make any sense, seeing as Clockwerk's only motivation for replacing his body with machinery was to ultimately live to see the end of the Cooper line, by his hands (talons) or by other means. Sly 5 could be super ballsy and start with Sly screwing up the timeline while stuck in Egypt. From there Bentley and Murray would find and return with Sly to the present where history as they knew it would be completely altered with Clockwerk still alive and a robotic Sly as his lackie.
Sly might alter the past thus changing the future. If they do go back and Clockwerk is still alive, how much damage would they have caused? If he's still alive far in the future, that would mean he spared Sly's parents or perhaps didn't. If Sly still exists, that would mean he either went to the orphanage still or his parents were spared which I highly doubt. Sly changing the past could affect the friendship bond as well.
I know that thumbnail font...I got super excited when I saw it!! :D
Sly Cooper font :D
back at it again with the sly cooper video
Back at it again indeed :P
I think this Dark Sly can be a family member of the Coopers that went on a dark path and was watching Sly from afar and was waiting for the right moment to attack him.
Another idea would be that Clockwerk took over Sly's mind and have it where Sly's son has to be the hero and save his father.
what if dark sly is sly coopers brother and her parents never loved him and clokwerk adopted him the same day clokwerk killed slys parents
I've been reading about this idea a lot in the comments. If this were true, then the developer would have to come up with one very good excuse.
Joonas Meriläinen nope because in sly one they didn't mention about a brother IF he had one then they would mention him in one of the games I mean they already did FOUR games man
VTNVIVI If Uncharted 4 can do it, so can Sly 5 ;)
All this speculation is really fun!
Yeah :D
Or maybe because since he know that he couldnt beat the coopers so he made him self a cooper body out of black magic and nuts and bolts
+Vtnvivi hey!! It's been the longest since I've seen you're videos :( sorry but keep up the good work ! You're growing fast!:)
Hi there :D I appreciate the support!
This was a very good imagining!
This evil sly could be the result of the events of thieves in time. Think of it, he was in a malfunctioning Time Machine which could give him unbelievable powers, trapped in the past, away from his friends, he was outsmarted by the irritating Le Paradox out of his glider, and was betrayed by his friend Penelope which could have broken his spirit and make him a cooper version of Clockwerk. Sounds like the main antagonist for a Sly 5.
I love your theory's and explanation of them
I appreciate it :)
It could be Sly Cooper himself from the future, who suffered a horrific tragedy or even that he was not rescued.
@VTNVIVI Now there is another possibility I came up with... what if this isn't Sly, but his father or his clone corrupted?
I like the Outcast theory it could work it really sounds like a Awesome idea
Awesome :D
Or maybe... what if, at some point, Sly himself actually *BECAME* Dark Sly?
(cue "Master of Puppets" on stereo)
🎵 *"Master! Master!"*
Where's the dreams that I've been after?!"
*"Master! Master!*
You promised only lies!"
*"Laughter! Laughter!*
All I hear or see is laughter!"
*"Laughter! Laughter!"*
Laughing at my cries...!" 🎵
*"FIX ME...!!!!!"*
- Lyrics from the *title track* to the third studio album *"Master of Puppets" (1986)* by American heavy metal band *Metallica.*
Maybe Sly Cooper found a hidden temple and inside was a Cooper mask and thought to himself maybe I should put it on but when he put it on he is soon as you put it on something went inside of him but over time it made him insane
Maybe throughout Sly 5 we could see the dark sly character in ancient egypt as well as n the present and then at the end it is revealed to be SLY'S DAD. We never saw him die we never see his face and this is why. We will then get a back story about Sly's mom and how she sold him out to Clockwerk because she was under his influence.What do u guys think...
Sly did say that his parents were murdered. If Connor was evil, I'm sure he still would've paid his son a visit :)
VTNVIVI Im not going for evil, maybe vengeful. And yes Sly and his Dad would meet in Sly 5 in this scenario.
0:00 - "And from the canceled PSP game, Shadow Cooper shall make his literal appearance!"
0:09 - Whoa! That was both loud again and a seriously spooky track, it's from Kingdom Hearts right? It at first sounded like something you'd hear from Sly Cooper.
0:21 - You did? I'm sure you said that in this video instead:
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0:26 - Not sure if you've checked but we've been talking a lot about this on the amino app, a lot of ideas and theories have come up. I'll tell you my idea if you're close to it.
0:51 - What if he was inspired by that job where you are playing as Panda King in the 3rd game where you first have to balance the darkness with the light? This guy could exist for the good of justice.
1:28 - I'm sure I will.
1:39 - Really? How does this guy look robotic? Perhaps they were reminded of Clockwerk when they saw him.
1:59 - Agreed.
2:07 - Possession? I'm sure it's an illusion according to the mystic in the 2nd Ratchet & Clank game on PS2, Also that's a nice new touch there, adding a snow effect to cobble with the darkness surrounding him. :)
2:20 - BENTLEY: "Sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me but we've encountered some unexplainable phenomenon over the years so I'm not going to rule it out as a threat."
4:11 - Good because my idea will include him.
4:44 - Your like really good at figuring out how most of the fans will react! :D
5:16 - A little yeah but I could imagine that happening, kind of like how Jak changed after 2 years of experimentation with dark Eco but only difference is that Sly's will wasn't as strong as Jak's.
5:21 - Doppelganger master? Or a disguise master like Thaddeus.
6:45 - Wait but the ribbons look more intact and the cane looks smaller compared to the other image.
7:11 - I still feel they should bring her back in some form, perhaps she could be more involved with Clockwerk's backstory.
8:21 - What if he gave him immortality?! :0
8:40 - Called it!
9:23 - Speaking of computers, I'm not sure if you remember but I once told you that Clockwerk mentioned that "M1 shall live!", what do you think that means?
9:29 - Equal parts science and black magic.
10:51 - Now's probably a good time to mention my idea: what if Clockwerk was from the Cooper clan? At least the spirit within him, it could have originated from this guy. But if that's the case then does that mean that Shadow Cooper used to live within someone from the Cooper clan? If so then who?
10:53 - Outcast? As in an outcast from the clan?
11:27 - Well logic from Frozen could fit into the series.
12:21 - I wouldn't believe that. :P
12:33 - Wait so he does have a name? Sounds like Dark Jak. I would prefer either Shadow Cooper, Cooper Of Darkness, Shadowus Raccoonnus or something like that but OK. :P
12:47 - Wrong series VTNVIVI. :P
13:02 - Alternate Dimension? I don't think this one will be as likely as the others but let's see.
13:23 - I would believe he was naturally born with more darkness then light unlike the Sly we know.
14:21 - I was just thinking about that! What if Shadow Cooper was there at that time and he aided Clockwerk back then? He could've given him useful info on the Cooper's and that's how Carmelita got captured!
15:16 - Vessel? Didn't you mentioned that in an earlier scenario?
15:58 - Whoever thought of that: impressive logic! :)
16:07 - What if the chip didn't help Clockwerk back when he was out for Cooper blood up to the events of the 1st game? What if Arpeggio only tried to replicate the hate and surprisingly did so no problem?
16:16 - I can actually see that happening. Even though she's still in Heathrow Prison I still feel we haven't seen the last of her either.
17:02 - And that's how the movie Avatar is created! Also I wished you could've done the same with Clockwerk when you mentioned that line he says in the gas chamber but OK, and also you have a point there, I believe Clockwerk was still there somewhere. Maybe Neyla was another victim. Maybe that's most likely what happened to Shadow Cooper or how Clockwerk was created.
17:30 - New Theory! What if that was Clockwerk's whole intention in the 1st game? What if he had planned to enlist Mz. Ruby's help to transfer his mind into Sly with her voodoo?
17:48 - Never watched that. :P
18:54 - I say Sly's old man, it could be a prequel.
18:59 - And if you worked on the whole thing, YOU are awesome! :D
19:27 - I'll probably have to re-watch the whole thing again and again just to remember all 5 of them and then comment again. :P
19:33 - And as always. we are all happy to watch. :) Now to get that spooky track off my mind with an awesome ending!
From least to most interesting:
Alternate Dimension - Despite the fact that time travel is introduced in the 4th game, I don't really believe that Shadow Cooper comes from an alternate dimension because he looks so ancient and medieval to be Sly from a different dimension, he must've come from a different time period instead.
Doppelganger Master - I do believe that Mz. Ruby could be involved in some way but I feel that a clone wouldn't be epic to think that this guy could be Sly's doppelganger.
Possession - I like the idea of an evil spirit within an Egyptian artifact taking over Sly and taking time to do so, even the wizard does sound more epic! Though I still feel that Clockwerk should be involved in this.
Outcast - This one is pretty much what I wouldn't mind seeing in the series, a cursed member of the Cooper clan being treated an outcast like Elsa from Frozen except that he ends up with hatred for the clan and ends up in a showdown with Sly with emotion!
Vessel - I honestly rank this one above the others mainly because I believe that Shadow Cooper and Clockwerk could potentially be the same person in a way. We haven't seen Mz. Ruby in any other game of the series besides the 1st game. Since she was a voodoo mystic like that wizard you mentioned earlier, what if she helped Clockwerk with his immortality up until Sly defeated her? Clockwerk could've hired an expert on black magic or voodoo time and time again. Also the fact that he could've taken over Neyla kind of supports the idea I had of Clockwerk being a Cooper before, what if the spirit of Shadow Cooper lived inside him and eventually made his parts his home?
+Tabreez Siddique could dark sly be introducted in sly 6 or sly 7 or maybe sly 5?
It's hard to say, who knows?
+Tabreez Siddique Dark Sly probably is corrupted sly from another dimension/timeline also he most likely was possessed by ancient evil spirit is pretty interesting
Gotta include a spooky soundtrack for this one :) Haven't seen the theory on Amino :( I'm glad you liked the transitions! The other image is a rough one, notice it wasn't colored, maybe he had scrapped it for the new one. The M1 part, I have no idea, haven't heard him say it. If a Cooper's spirit was within the owl, why even choose a bird form? Sure, weaponry and stuff like that, but there's lack of agility. I'm glad you liked the idea of this guy aiding Clockwerk, adds a little twist and ideas for future sequels. I thought people would hate the idea of Clockwerk possessing Sly haha, glad I kept it.
Kind of an odd idea but what if dark sly is Sly Cooper under the effect of spice from the second game? Let's just say Penelope goes back in time to the point where she is able to get the Contessa to join her and they manage to go to where sly is in the past, trap him, make him ingest the large amount of spice and he is put into a trance. Being under the trance and the spice drives him mad to the point he becomes dark sly, and from what the one comment said about batman beyond, Penelope could have full control on how much it effects him with a chip on him. Could lead to him going back to yes kill his friends and possibly there could be a moment where he gets hurt enough, they see him turn back to normal for a few seconds before reverting back to dark sly.
Its an odd an idea, could be dumb but im sure a couple of games/movies have done something related to it.
I love this idea!
@@lugia1313 I completely forgot i made this comment, thanks you for the idea that was fun to type XD
@@fortunegentlemen24 hehehe it was long time ago but it's definitely an idea I be willing to even read a story like that.
Everyone has a Dark Side inside them, even you and me
Clockwerk was in sly cooper 4 because in the ice age if you look up with the binoculars you see a medal bird looking down or searching for something
Mostly an easter egg, theory aside ;)
With time travel existing, what if it is just sly from the future? Maybe something happens to sly where he matures or has a serious loss, possibly carmelita.
He might of found and object macking him live longer and became evil because he was lonely
Thanks for sharing :)
I would very much love to see a concept about an outcast Cooper. To be fair though, I would like to keep it inherently simple. For that particular idea I believe less is more, especially if we talk about a forgotten Cooper, rather than the whole dark wizard mumbo-jumbo. I'm not implying it's a bad idea or anything of the sort, however the concept of a forgotten child might as well be enough of a motive for Darth Cooper to go apeshit as well as a possibility for a toxic ideology that includes but is not limited to: Brutality, Murder, Theft(The bad kind) and possibly even being a Bounty Hunter
I see what you mean!
I was waiting for this vid and now were here yay
:D
So who exactly killed Sly's dad? I know the fiendish five did, but its not like all five literally put an end to his life. Which member did?
Another great question!! I wonder that myself.
I just assumed it was Clockwerk
I did too. But how can that big owl fit into the house?
B1G BAD W0LF I thought he'd just crash through the house and kill slys parents
Hmmm that is possible, but I feel that sly would of emphasized on that more in the intros if that did happen
A phantom perhaps? For example, a manifestation of Sly's darker emotions (anger, frustration, sadness, and regret) that he'll have to confront later on. Perhaps the entity could be summoned during a conflict with an individual using some variation of dark magic. Heck, maybe it could take on the form of Sly's father? After all, they do share a similar build from what's been shown. Just mere speculation, of course.
Imagine it taking the form of Sly's father, I can't imagine the look on Sly's face O_O
cool vids bro i love them
Thanks for the support!
Another idea... what if the Outcast idea is correct, except that this isn't just "some Cooper", but rather Clockwerk before becoming robotic? After all, every time we see a fleshy Clockwerk is an imagine spot, NOT a picture or memory or what have you.
ShadwSonic Or Clockwerk Before He Became a Bird
I got one. Sly Cooper from an alternate universe who went insane after failing to save Carmelita from something, which led him to go on a killing spree, corrupting his soul. The cane was modified to absorb the powers and abilities of everyone he kills.
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@@VtnVivi thought you'd like that. Might use that for a fanfiction
To bill the kid
Sly was in a time wormhole so the means that he was go through the timeline which means that if you travel and just randomly went into the time wormhole you be sent to that time randomly as well that how works
cool thanks for the ideas
(Going with the Corrupted/possession idea) Sly being evil doesn't necessarily mean he can't be the main character. This game is after all based on his story, and tbh, I'd love to play as Dark Sly, he looks so badass.
OR
The real Sly could be overcoming obstacles with in his mind, set up by Dark Sly to keep him at bay. By Obstacles, I mean like levels, not metaphoric obstacles. Then it can switch from Sly to the Cooper Gang, as they are trying to save both Sly and themselves from Dark Sly.
But I think with the Sly 5 cliff hanger idea, the first mission of Sly 6 could be as Dark Sly, you could play as him stalking menacingly across the rooftops of Egypt only to come across the cooper van, then he some how sneaks on and is transported to the present.
Hmm... Maybe Sly already gets corrupted and portrays his old self, simply to gain intel from the gang. Thnaks for sharing your idea, interesting!
There is such thing as people who are the spitting images of each other, but aren't related. And there's faux fur. Perhaps someone is going around and slandering the Cooper name? Stealing from the innocent, hurting those in his/her way(regardless if they're innocent), and screwing up his name.
It could also be a robot that Clockwerk could use against the Cooper name, and here's my reasoning:
Clockwerk is obviously tech-savvy; he created an immortal body and built hundreds of traps and gadgets. So it wouldn't be too much trouble to create a robot that looks disturbingly like the living. Faux fur, clothing, and a cane would be child's play. And if not Clockwerk, then someone as knowledgeable. Penelope created sentient robots, why can't someone else?
Or perhaps Clockwerk's vengeful soul found itself a new body...
Dark magic is a thing in the series. I wouldn't be surprised if Clockwerk possesses someone, it'd be one heck of a dark story.
VTNVIVI I agree. I'd love to see the return of Clockwerk, since he has a big part in Sly's past. It felt a bit short-sighted, and I want to see a bigger importance in the movie(if it happens; I've been waiting for a while :/).
DUNN DUNN DUNNNNNN
That figure coud be a mode in sly 5. the cane he is holding is the artifact and when sly touches it, it doen't take over him immediately, but it will slowly take over. If clockwerk comes back, it would be cool to presume that villain was an accuaintance of him in egypt. In the ned sly gets controlled by that spirit
It'd be an excellent idea to introduce this guy as the master/guide of Clockwerk, it will definitely add a nice twist! Thnaks for sharing :D
I hope that Sly will get evil by someone or something!!! It would make the game so epic and exiting! Everything you said in that video was really good ideas! But dark Sly would be awesome!
Glad you enjoyed the vid! A Dark Sly would be a great addition to the series in the future no doubt!
dark sly looks pretty cool, like if sly got thrown into the darksiders universe.
I know right :O
if sly was evil then as a cliffhanger he could find clockwerk in egypt and sly could working with him
well I really liked the possession idea like Ninjago when Morro possessed Lloyd
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maybe their taking a Terminator turn and put skin on the robot except for the optics to install fear like bat Man looking like a bat to install in criminals
Who knows what happened in this other dimension.
really good video are dark sky is a really cool idea
Sly
I'm glad you enjoyed it :D
He could have put those clockworks in the different time period in some levels
Hmm... I think those easter eggs simply show how Clockwerk was spying.
I think he will appear in the movie
doppelgangers were considered death Omens
Mythology yes.
maybe call him Merlin o' cooper instead of dark sly
sly cooper is my all time favorite video game character
:D
What if it's not one of his ancestors come back from the dead, but instead Mz. Ruby infused Connor with magic (the night he died on Clockwerk's orders) that would activate upon the destruction of Clockwerk's hate chip? It would naturally take time for the body to recover (not to mention the addition of Mz. Ruby's magics) but once he has, this "Dark Sly" would have every single skill that Sly would have, along with Clockwerk's unfettered hatred for all things Cooper. Now imagine the pain and character development Sly would go through, having to kill his own father.
Thanks for sharing!
That looks like a awesome pad guy that would be hard ....
Epic.
Sly has aquired the Berserker Armor
Maybe there was a big accident probably the Egypt Clockwork destroyed 1 of the magic glass?
Hi, VTNVIVI! I didn't really watch the whole video to be honest because (to me) it seems way to long for a simple discussion about who the character might be, and because I come by for your Sly Cooper discussion videos every once in a while, but here is my fan theory on this guy:
First off, I don't really like the name "Dark Sly". In this theory I'm just gonna call him Frank, O.K? Now what if "Frank" is an ancestor of Sly Cooper? Or maybe a distant relative? What if Frank lost his chance of becoming a Cooper, lost his birthright, or had left, was banished, shunned, or kicked out of the Cooper Clan for something he did in his past? He then started studying mystical arts, the occult, whatever, and he pretty much becomes immortal and a psychic. As time passes he sees the Cooper Clan being killed off by Clockwerk. Frank watches from a distance letting Clockwerk slaughter them all. Just so he can have vengeance on them for shunning him. In the end Clockwerk goes after Frank and Frank barely survives even with the mystical enhancements he have in his body. In the fight Clockwerk tells Frank that he knew that he was letting him kill them and that by killing them and learning their tactics that Frank doesn't have any real chance of stopping the him. So Frank flees as long as he can and he goes in hiding. Having to live with being defeated and living with how he stood by and watched those who loved (or maybe hated) him die. So Frank decides to wait, until a time when technology is advanced enough so he can go back in time to stop this all and to save everyone. To redeem himself. Now it is present day (right now I'm just going to ignore the whole time travel Sanzaru story, mostly because I absolutely hated what Sanzaru did to the history of the games, so, I guess this is pretty much my idea of what that PSP game could have been) and it is known worldwide how successful Sly and his gang is and how Sly defeated Clockwerk then Clock-La, opened the vault and he became a truly honorable member of the Cooper Clan, even though none of his ancestors (or father) are around to hear it. Frank them gets Sly's help (well pretty much Bentley's help) in constructing a time machine to go back in time to stop... Something. If you are wonder why I said "something" is because Frank does NOT specify what he is going back in time to stop out of fear Sly and his gang will refuse it (oh and if you are wonder Carmelita goes along with them, she hates Sly for faking amnesia but they are married now so they have to stick together, so yeah. It being like this also gets rid of that cop and robber thing Sanzaru stupidly brought back in TiT). So they go back in time, to different eras and everything and at one point Frank departs from them (doing something secretly of course), then somehow Sly and the gang find out of his true motives, so they try to stop him but they ultimately fail. Then Sly is left with the dilemma on whether or not he should save his entire family from the monster who killed them all or stop Frank and let his entire family die. Sly choses the latter, and go for Frank. Then using his powers Frank rounds up mystical energy combines said energy with the energy from the time machine and basically he becomes a time traveler. Bentley finds that he can home in on Franks location using the time machine and the plan to stop him goes from there. Frank goes to different eras to kill Clockwerk and the Gang have to stop him or else everything will change in the future.
That's my idea of it. Hope to hear some feedback. I know it's long and I know I didn't have any courtesy to look through your whole video but please read through it all. Thank you.
You sure wrote a lot, thanks for taking the time :). If Clockwerk killed all the ancestors, stopping him... wouldn't that change Frank's future or existence? Sure, the parents remain alive, growing up with your parents might maybe affect one's choices in life, will that choice impact Frank's existence? As for redeeming himself, he would have to save his father first, you know so his dad sees him as a hero, BUT the right thing to do would be to start from the beginning (that's what's going to feel right to him). Thing is, if Frank goes back to the past, he might encounter his old self who at that time still had a grudge against his family, will he get in the way? Interesting read!
I'm sorry, great theory, but I couldn't focus on it with the generic name: Frank xD
Sly is upgraded with better equipment as in night vision, a better cane, and more
Far Fetched but incredible
It's just imagination :)
What if this is one of Sly's ancestors that went against the mold and robbed anyone and everyone? He robbed the poor, killed anyone who got in his way, etc.
Very likely!
What if it is slys alternate personality all the strain from hopping around time finally got to him and he goes insane
I'd imagine some dark magic influencing that, just feeding on doubt, worry and sadness.
sly 6 you can customize your own cooper and you can be Sly's son/daughter its a long shot but cool idea
In terms of health upgrade and defence, I'd like customization.
13:16 Or maybe in that other dimension, Carmelita was murdered and Sly wanted revenge on the culprit. Leading him to the first kill, which turned him into a vigilante. That, or this Sly would kill anyone that gets in his way of thieving.
Though, despite all that, it would make a pretty awesome, future Sly game. Like, "Thieves Between Dimensions" or something like that.
Nice!
Wow, I didn't think so much could be thought of just by 1-picture. But I'm going to have to go with Ancient Egypt seeing as most artifacts are associated with supernatural phenomena (which leads me to believe Clockwerk started in Egypt, seeing there are owl heiroglyphs). Either Sly messing around with an artifact slowly turns him Dark and probably doesn't fully show until Sly returns to the present. Or it could be a little like Legend of Spyro. Also Egypt was scrapped in Sly 4, which lacked a paranormal level. And Sly 4 was likely inspired by the cancelled game as both involved time travel. So Dark Sly could still happen.
But there's also Alternate dimension. After seeing Evil Crash and planned Good Cortex & Evil Coco in Crash Twinsanity. It could be likely that there could be what's considered a dark dimension. Which Dark Sly somehow comes to Sly's dimension and we have this doppleganger type of thing happening, sort of like Dark Vs. normal Spyro in Skylanders Academy or Sonic Vs. Shadow.
But then there's PS All-Stars, which I think is something completely different.
Anyways VIVI, I apologize again for the long comment on slightly over 2-year old video. But I just discovered this topic. Great video as always.
Nah don't apologize Blue!
@@VtnVivi Alright VIVI.
What if this character is a cooper ancestor who dipped his cane in the dark arts, becoming the first legitimate evil cooper.? Just one of my theories.
wait a minute if he isn't a robot haven't you guys considered that it could be Sly's dad and the movie could also share about Sly's dads back story because we never really known much about his history or his thieving days!?!?!?
The movie can only include so much, I think the team would rather focus on the trio the most. Plus, if all Fiendish members are included, know that they need screentime. I'd only imagine a slight flashback if anything.
When u were talking about sly 6's main character I think it will be sly's dad maybe he didn't die after all
Plot twist boom
oh i think he should appear in sly 5
I think they should leave this type of bad guy for Sly 6 if that ever happens.
Hi VIVI, hope you're having a good weekend! So, do you remember that theory, about how sly is his own father? that stayed in my mind.. Some back to the future stuff right there, But if this is true, what if this is sly's father? and I know what you're thinking, But why would his father be evil? And well, that's hard to say. The best idea off of that is your scenario, where the microchip got into sly, and clockwork took over. with clockwerks backup memories. Bentley & Murray find Dark Sly, and take him home but then Dark Sly pulls out his cane and throws it into the machine (His cane was his fathers so it goes back to sly as a child.) Dark Sly traps Bentley & Murray in the van, while he goes off to kill Conner. Just then, some of sly's conscience kicks in and fights back somehow breaking the microchip. And when that happens sly is gone. Clockwerk is gone. Sly's conscience is nowhere, clockwerk's microchip has broken, leading sly into the broken chip, and Dark Sly, also known as Conner, Is nobody. Just a brain and cells combining no personality. he meets his wife, sly's mom, and has a child (Sly) a few years pass, and come The Fiendish Five. l Holy crap that took long to think up, what do you think? Far fetched? BTW did we ever see Conner in the Thievius Raccoonus? Maybe that's something to do with it.
How was your weekend? Thanks for asking :D Wooahh, if dark Sly attempted to kill his father, he would get erased :O Wait, I'm confused, you went from Dark Sly to Conner being dark, hmm.. am I missing something?
there a lots things that could happen. 1 a clone gone bad, 2 a dark ancestor that was brother one of ancestor to one of the coopers.3 this ancestor made clockwork. 4 the clan is bigger then we think
Thanks for sharing :)
I have an idea. Like you said in the past Dark Sly could be a brother to whatever Cooper and betray them and join Clockwerk not caring who he hurts and ends up betraing Clockwerk almost killing him and leaving him for dead creating Clockwerks hate for the coopers. Somehow getting to the future Dark Sly being just as skilled as Sly but not caring for suttlety when theaving just goes through every one not caring just to get whatever he was stealing being a Coopers still leaving Cooper signs, Carmelita and the team would think its Sly nut wonder what Sly's doing because he would not leave badly injerd or dead people like that and try to find the real Sly and stop Dark Sly.
So pretty much dark Sly already existed, and has been up to something all these years.
It is assumed that a Cooper caused Clockwerk to become the raging robot that he was. What if this Cooper is the one? I mean, surely the Cooper line hasn't had flawless run of good thieves. There had to have been a bad egg in there somewhere.
If true, Sly would have terrible burden.
Unless the Cooper line never spoke of him. It would damage their thieving reputation knowing that their greatest threat was caused by a Cooper who strayed away from the family and chose to actually be a true criminal rather than a "Robin Hood" like vigilante.