I have a bit of a theory as to why Clockwerk hated the cooper clan so much. That theory is that the Slytankahman, Sly Cooper’s ancestor in ancient Egypt, stole his bride to be. In the boss fight of Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus, when Clockwerk is nearly defeated, you can hear him saying something about Flowers, and feet together!
Joe Humpston - Loving the “loved one” theory. Really, in order to hate so powerfully, one needs to have loved as powerfully. I’m liking the idea of Clockwerk being an individual who feels intense emotion - emotion obviously intense enough to keep him alive for longer than usual. Like, seriously; the thought that he persevered beyond his years because of the driving force of pure HATE is literally scary!
I like this theory because it gives clockwerk more purpose as a character. I think he stalks the coopers in Sly 4 to figure out how to kill the family.
Clockwerk survives on Hatred, correct? What would happen when if he were to completely destroy The Cooper tree? Aside from Becoming 'The Greatest Thief' he would have no one left to despise. Perhaps why he let Sly live was to use him as a fuel source. He NEEDS The Coopers in order to live ironically. SO perhaps he allows them to continue only to slowly tuture them and make them suffer.
I agree. No hate, no fuel. Perhaps he purposely hunted down the Coopers once they had children. Once the children would grow or even before, he would have something to hate on.
Gemsona - The problem I see with that is that he has no purpose other than to just hate for the rest of his existence. He would want to die instead of just live to hate a family - he gets nothing out of it that benefits him. He was clear that he wanted to wipe out the Cooper name and take their place as the greatest thief of all, but why would he want to become a thief? He’s an owl and owls are known for their stealth flight, but he must have had a profession in thievery that was overshadowed by the Coopers. Perhaps he worked with them and came to the conclusion that he would never best them as long as they lived. If he wanted to continue living on hate alone, he would just do what Arpeggio planned and hypnotize people into producing hatred off of which he could feed. No, I don’t think Clockwerk left Sly alive on purpose. I think his true intent is to pull a Lucifer and ASCEND to the Coopers’ status, replacing them and wiping them from existence.
@@VtnVivi but heres my question do coopers only have one kid per generation or did clockwerk go all bird of prey and hunted down most of the coopers leaving the most meek for last?
@@DragonspineInfiniteZero The series always implied Coopers had one child. I'd like to believe Coopers we've never heard of before had more than 1 kid. My wild theory was always about Clockwerk timing his murder if indeed he did do that all throughout. Let the Cooper have their kid, grow up so on and so forth for one reason only, to fuel his hate chip, a genuine reason to keep on hating.
@VTNVIVI I beg to disagree. Remember what Panda King said during Honor Among Thieves? He tried to argue with his dark half that Sly's demise would neutralize his dark half's existence, but, as his dark half stated, if Sly were to perish, the good would disappear. The hate would remain.
There is sooooo much story left in this series. I would not like to see this series milked for money, but if there was at least 1 more long game, or 2 more sort of short games, I would buy the crap out of those.
What if, at some point in time, Clockwerk himself, was a part of a COOPER gang? I mean think about it. What if the reason Clockwerk HATES the Coopers so passionately wanting to destroy them, is because he was possible the "brains" of a Cooper gang with one of Sly's ancestors, but felt like he was being used by the Cooper ancestor and found out a secret from the Cooper legacy? It could be entirely possible. He, being the brains, could have figured out how to create his own mechanical body to give himself immortality, then created a time machine to stalk the Coopers throughout their legacy. And he waited to strike at Sly's father is because HIS father was killed by a COOPER! But he was spared because they couldn't take the life of a helpless child!
+Stitched Jack Very nice theory :P. I actually thought of something like this! Clockwerk could have also been framed or something like that. If I expand on your theory, Clockwerk sparing the children makes sense. How come the thievius raccoonus is still intact? Because this guy only killed the parents. A Cooper perhaps killed one of his parents and as revenge, he decided to do the same. Clockwerk maybe followed his parents' wish, to get rid of the Coopers.
Nah, the cooper killing clockwerks Family part fits Not the cooper vibe. Slys father was more a Ego, (According to Dr. M), but maybe just for outsiders, or better Non family members. Letting them back for the police or something maybe yes. Remember what clockwork said in the gaschamber when he trapped sly? "Pity was always your weakness!" Maybe slys father lerned from that, because of clockwerk or before? But that would be noice.
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I never thought about this before. Now that you’ve mentioned it, I desperately want Clockwerk’s hatred for the Cooper family to be rooted in lost love (such as the ancient Coopers having harmed Clockwerk’s wife or something like that), not just jealousy of their thieving prowess. I have the feeling that, because this is a kid’s game, the background doesn’t go that deep and it IS because Clockwerk is jealous of the Coopers’ thief skills that he hates them. However, for my own version, Clockwerk has to have loved as intensely as he hates in order to be fueled by hate to live on. I think Sucker Punch presented an awesome groundwork for these characters and I would love to see them made a little more mature to capitalize on the storytelling. It would certainly make his boss fight more epic!
+Jam-frog35 A master thief who got rid of all the ancestors...why such hate towards the Coopers? If we're lucky, future games will give us some backstory.
clockwerk could be the mastermind behind thieving operations rather than the actual thief, I just thought of him like al capone; someone who did some dirty work (such as personally invading the cooper home w/ the fiendish five) but was mostly a leader who. did work behind the scenes. I've never seen him as a 'member' of the fiendish five but rather as the leader
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+Space Bro123 (Spacebro123) Yes! I did mention that in part 1. But what's weird is the fact that he wanted to prove this to Sly. He could've easily done the same thing to another Cooper. However, if Clockwerk found out about the thievius raccoonus when Sly was a kid, then what he said would make more sense. But, after living for hundreds of years or time travelling, wouldn't he had known about the book already? If Penelope truly plays a role in this, then she probably mentioned the book to him.
I guess Clockwerk had no idea of the existence of the Thevius Racconus until he found out that Sly's father had it. So he decided to end it there, plus making Sly suffer.
+VtnVivi Ok, still he had no idea where was it, Penelope might have told him of course but even she had no idea where they ancestors kept it. Yet, I think not. Penelope is involved alright but not with Clockwerk. Or she really didn't know where the ancestors kept it.
"Revenge is the prime ingredient in the fountain of youth. I've kept myself alive for hundreds of years with a steady diet of jealousy and hate..." You know that saying that people keep alive when they have a job to do? Now imagine devoting you're entire soul into the "express intention of wiping out a rivaless family line" by hunting them like prey through the centuries until you could finally steal everything from them via reputation, secrets, and casting away their orphaned child like a neutered gutter rat, left to grow up alone and struggling. This is Clockwerk: a megalomaniac who sought to base his immortality in dominating a family only he saw as bitter rivals. His sick mind goes beyond simple thievery, he wants to steal EVERYTHING from the Coopers down to their lives, memories, and legacy - past, present, and future. "I am the Alpha! And the Omega! Clock-(La/Werk)!"
I think Clokwerk can become completely immortal and invulnerable if he was fuled with enough hatred since during Sly 2 Arppeggio mentions that with enough hate clockwerk can have his "spark of immortality". so for this purpose clockwerk needed an appropriate target for hate to reach this goal and for his own personal reasons the coopers were a prime target. I think that towards the end of sly 1 that Clockwerk was extremly close to a full state of immortallity.
+KGamer616 The hate simply fuels him, the more hate he feels, the longer he lasts. Maybe the more hate he had, stronger he was. Clock-La felt power once she entered Clockwerk's frame, it was probably from the hate chip.
1 thing, if there ever is a Sly 5, they need to explain a lot of loose ends. Or make multiple games to try and tie up the loose ends. I agree with the whole Penelope and Dr. M theory, considering they both have the brains. I think Penelope is the more logical one since she already time travels to help Le Peradox take the coopers down.
I remember in Sly 2 when the Klaww Gang stole the Clockwork parts, each part had explained and showed unique abilities about them that Clockwork had, probably during the time he was alive watching the Coopers in the past and may have killed them with those abilities. That could possibly lead to how he killed the ancestors. I'm not sure, but it's a great thought.
+Darnell Putman Maybe Clockwerk really time travelled but never mentioned it. He probably wanted to keep the whole time travelling thing a secret. Once he realized that the Coopers outsmarted him with their technology, he found a way to turn into a robot, either Penelope, Dr.M or someone else is behind this. The thing is, him building the parts on his own in ancient Egypt sounds a bit odd to me, I mean there was nothing back then to build such thing...unless, Clockwerk had the brains to use the parts of the blimp to do so; either alone, or with the help of someone.
Sly Cooper: “I don’t get it. You’re so familiar with my family, you must have known my father had a son. If you hated the Coopers so much, why did you let me live when you stole the Thieveus Raccoonus?” Clockwerk: “Because I wanted to show the world that without your precious book the Cooper line was nothing”
I just thought of a theory of my own: what if clockwerk was from the future, rather than the past? A time where cybernetics was a normal thing, and with a Cooper to boot? It would make for the basis of a great game plot.
I did go over something like this in one of my other vids. It definitely doesn't sound like a far-fetched idea. Maybe he got a one way ticket to Ancient Egypt.
truth is that this and the Carmalita head canon are from the same idea, but I'm not sure if I could convay it to the people who made it. I don't even know where to send it to.
Nice video! Gosh I'm very late. But still. I'd like to share a theory about Clockwerk's origins. Basically , Sly 1,2,3 and 4 took place in Universe Time Cycle 2 (UTC2) . Well, UTC2 is basically the second Sly Cooper universe. Its difference between the UTC1 ( original cycle) is that in: UTC2 has Clockwerk, while UTC1 didn't have Clockwerk at all. In other words, Clockwerk was created at the end of UTC1 ( approx. in the time period will Sly 4 start, when we see really evolved technology). And then the "dark inventor" who invented Clockwerk restarted time completely. And so, UTC2 is born. Basically everything that happened in UTC1 will happen again, only one MAJOR change: Clockwerk's existence. But who is the "dark inventor"? And guess what! If you think that Penelope is the "dark inventor" you are wrong. Here are the arguments: Back in UTC1, there was no Clockwerk to kill Sly's parents, therefore Sly never would've ended up in the orphanage ( and NOT meet Bentley and Murray). With no Clockwerk, Sly 1 ( which took place in UTC2) didn't exist. Without Clockwerk, Sly 2 didn't exist. With Clockwerk not existing , he didn't reveil where is the Cooper Vault, Kaine Island so Dr. M didn't take over take over. With Dr. M NOT controlling The Cooper Vault, Sly didn't need some expert mechanic , aviator, (I.E. Penelope. We consider that Bentley, Sly and Murray didnt have any contact at all, even in adulthood). Since there was no need for Penelope, she would've continued her life as the Black Baron. And cause of the scenario, she would've never met Bentley, so they didn't work on the time machine, therefore, in UTC1 Sly 4 would have not took place either. Then who is the "dark inventor". It could be totally someone else, but Bentley is a suspect. Why? Well not meeting Sly in childhood, results, maybe for Bentley to become evil, as he might have a different point of view. So, cause of the hate to the Coopers, Bentley creats Clockwerk and the Time - Reset Machine. He might have been manipulated by Cyrille Le Paradox ,( Le Paradox is not suspect cause he isn't capable of over advanced technology), but I'm not sure. And cause of Bentley's invention, this caused Sly to end up in the orphanage in UTC2, we have a new heroic Bentley. But if Bentley isn't the "dark inventor", I truly don't know who...
whatever the cooper gang did, it has to be something incredibly bad that he had to make the hate chip just to keep his anger going for the remaining of him immortality. I feel like clockwork knew that when time catches up to him, he'll die without having revenge against the cooper gang, and when he created his immortality, he knows very well at some point he will start to "forgive" the gang and leave behind his desire for revenge and he didn't want that at all so give his immortality reason, the hate chip is the only thing reminding him why he hated them in the first place, it's the only thing driving him. hell i wouldn't be surprised in future sly cooper game where if we meet him, he wouldn't remember exactly why he wants revenge on the cooper gang. The only thing he knows is that he wants revenge either way and badly.
+Knox Interesting! I'm starting to wonder, what if his parents were killed and Clockwerk decided to follow their last wish, revenge? In Egypt, something probably happened to his parents and a Cooper was involved. Like I said, there is so much mystery behind Clockwerk, A LOT can be discussed.
+VtnVivi that would make sense, i feel like before all of this, he was some well known security provider. i mean if he's capable to become immortal then im sure he's no simple guy. Espicually in sly 1 where hes the final boss, he was splurting out words like u said in ur last videos that kinda gave a clue to his life. Maybe he bacame a well known security provider for someone he loved and the cooper gang were the only ones to outsmart him and beat him. Maybe this resulted in him loosing his title and the respect from his lover or the death of her. ether way, it was enough to fuel his anger to get rid of the cooper gang completely.
What if, for some crazy idea, Clockwerk is actually Penelope ? This is my idea: Penelope, in sly 4, abandoned the cooper gang because Bentley hadn't let her use her genial constructs for crimes, and then traveled in time, building something like robots in the medieval. Maybe, at some point of Sly's story, she started to create Clockwerk as just a normal robot, but since the robot wasn't enough, she decided to put her "soul" into the mechanical horror (other theory, she was stuck with that robot in a unspecified, distant time, and to survive she transferred her consciousness into Clockwerk, creating the Hate chip). We already saw something similar in Sly 2, with Neyla who literally transferred herself into clockwerk's body and used it. So why Penelope couldn't do something like that ? As we saw, in the 4th chapter she shown a great hate for Bentley and the rest of the gang, and tried to kill them. So, analyzing again this points: Penelope created Clockwerk as something as a simple robot, but finding herself alone and with a deep, blind hate, she created the Hate Chip and transferred herself into Clockwerk, both to survive time and kill lately sly, starting all the fact happened till now. Thinking of what Clockwerk said in Sly one, about eradicate the Cooper dinasty to become the Only Thif, Penelope said to wanting to become this (or something like that)! I know this is crazy as hell, but I wanted to share this little idea of mine.
+Krash face I actually very briefly mentioned this idea in my old video. It's sounds very interesting; however, why would Penelope put herself in a robot fueled by a hate chip? Why would Penelope decide to hunt down every single Cooper in existence? That's why a theory like this sounds pretty huge (far fetched let's say). If this theory were true, then it would be the biggest plot twist ever! But, I could definitely imagine Penelope building the hate chip. Clockwerk was initially just a robot, with no hate chip who knows. Penelope, then gives Clockwerk a chip which is capable of making him live on for generations. Cool theory though, thanks for sharing :D
vtnvivi here are two more questions. 1:what did the clocwerk lungs and stomach do beside help clockwerk survive.2:how wee the clockwork eyes able to hypontize his enemies?.
Although the theory of Penelope helping Clockwerk makes sense. Although she knew she could not destroy the Cooper line without destroying her own existence, so she set into motion the murder of sky's parents with Clockwerk, while she took care of sly. Maybe sly would have and ultimatum where he could save his parents, but never end up meeting his friends and having adventures, or let time play out the way it was supposed to. But he would have to live through the guilty of letting his parents die. Another theory is that sly is his own dad. ( the only thing wrong with that theory was his fathers OG crew) note I that these are darker. Also, I am a hardcore sly fan if you couldn't tell... Keep up the good work!
+Space Bro123 (Spacebro123) Sly travelling back to when he was a kid could really change the future. You're right, him saving his parents would cause him to lose all his pals and adventures. Sly being his own dad, oh boy, it's hard to get one's head around. Oh and thanks :p
+Raymond Davis Yes, Dr.M seems more likely for sure. But Penelope would make an even better plot twist. Someone who was once a friend turns out to be the one behind all this.
+VtnVivi Actually, after more thought I remembered that we only assume that Dr. M is dead. If he survived then what's to say that Penelope only sold time travel blueprints to Le Paradox? If she sold them to Dr.M then Penelope IS responsible for Clockwerk, if only indirectly.
The hieroglyphic owl means M as in doctor M. I think Slightenkommen and clockwerk were friends but got into some kind of fight. Dr. M probably gave him his immortality. Or dr.m maybe just created him
Interesting theory! I like it! Also do you think the movie has been delayed to early 2017 or late 2016 for Sly? I really want some more info on this movie because it's been a year since we've gotten the trailer :/
+RED Ratchet Thanks! For the movie, so far still nothing :/. If movie hasn't started production at all, and we include 3 years of production, then the movie might release later than 2017.
I have been also saying that the series should eventually provide an explanation for clockwerk's origins. This is a perfect explanation. I worry that many of the sly 3 fans will continue to whine about Penelope turning into a villain.
In the last video you mentioned Clockwerk's final words, what if Penelope is/was his "lost" love and blamed the Cooper Clan for her death? What if Penelope was the Catalyst of this entire story? Now it all makes some sense in my mind at least.
A loved one could be it, but Penelope? Hmm... Pretty crazy, I'd imagine her falling for him if she were to bring him back. Not bring him from the past, but rebuild him once she finds the brain.
i think the reason why clockwerk didn't go for sly when he killed his father was because it would have killed him too. the reason why he is able to stay alive for hundreds of years is because he hates all the coopers. but what if there is no cooper left for him to hate?
That might also explain how Sly still existed. If Clockwerk did kill ancestors, he spared the children and watched them grow up. Let's say he spared the children simply to fuel his hate chip. Like you mentioned, he needs hate to survive. By watching the kids grow up just like their father, it filled him with hate. And yes, how would he survive with no more hate? Would he use time travel?
Why would Penelope turn Clockwerk into a Robot ? I mean, when the Cooper Gang first met Penelope, she wasn't a bad guy, she was just an aviation enthusiast. And at this precise moment, Clockwerk was already a robot, and already dead. It don't makes any sense.
the reason sly was left alive was said in the first game by clockwerk he said"I wanted to show the world without your precious book the cooper line was nothing" he wanted to make sly a failure in the family line making the coopers look bad
+Mason Sims Yes! I mentioned that in my previous video. The weird thing about this is that he wanted to do this to only Sly. If he lived on for generations, then why didn't he do the same to other Coopers? Did he? If he did and succeeded, then Sly wouldn't exist.
Oh you do have a point there it is interesting, oh and I wanted to say I love your videos and keep doing what your doing! Syr if I sounded like a know it all. Curious to see what your next theorys are!
Clockwerk doesn't need to be doing anything for Penelope to want Sly to come to be. Its self-preservation. No Sly, no Penelope. No Penelope, no robot body. No robot body, no immortality. Of course this would also suggest that he also knew Sly was going to kill him, which would be an interesting position to be in, to say the least. That said, I personally like the idea that Clockwerk was a self-made (pun intended) bird. Though getting help from Penelope could be cool. Especially if we don't use closed-time loops. I also personally prefer the idea that Dr. M was correct. Sly's father was not a good friend. Just because it makes Sly's niceness a bit more special, and fits the theme of the conflict between legacy and self-direction the games sort of have. I figure Clockwerk's relationship with Slytunkhamen was similar to that between M and Conner. Edit: Was listening to another of your videos. Time-traveling Penelope recruiting Sly (but who's the muscle?), thus creating an evil-twin scenario actually is an intriguing plot hook. I'm warming up to the "Evil Penelope" concept, though I still need to figure out how to get there in a world where Sly 4. Didn't. Happen. Anyway, maybe Bentley accidentally let him though to the present while trying to psychoanalyze him? Oh darn. If I make Penelope evil, she can't be a playable character. Sorry, I'm thinking fan fic aloud now.
+PsychadelicoDuck Thanks for taking the time to write all this! I always thought that Clockwerk was initially friends with a Cooper, Slytunkhamen to be precise. Something probably caused him such hatred.
he is a fan fan favorite and a very cool villian in sly 5 they should put the ancestor that was showed in egypt (sly 1) forgot the name but when sly showed the pictures clockwerk was there they should add him plus he was shown in sly 4 like you said
what if clockwork does not have immortality and use the parts from laperdoxes broken time machine to stalk the coopers and that's how he lived for hundreds of years
Really nice video! Now there is an issue with all this Penelope and Clockwork theory... the thing is that maybe ur right. Maybe Penelope did help Clockwork through this, and gave him some sort of help to defeat the coopers, but the problem is that, if it wasn’t for Clockwork, sly wouldn’t have ended in an orphanage, and he I didn’t end up there, he wouldn’t have met Bentley. And if he didn’t meet Bentley, then yea penelope wouldn’t have showed up in bentleys life... maybe I’m just confused or something, but we can at least agree on that this time travel thing is leaving some mysterious thoughts in all of our minds, and is pretty damn irritating and confusing lol. Love your analyses btw, don’t give up on the franchise, I want a sly 5!!!
Wah Bra! The build stuff in Egypt with blimp is an amazing theory! Why didn't I think of that! I thought similarly, but with Penelope's leftover black knight stuff tho, then he time traveled. But yours is way better! And plus the blimp has the time travel stuff. Wah!!!!! What if its sly's fault why clockwork hates the coopers, cuz he's in ancient Egypt with no help! Mind blown.
Just a note, Sly 2 starts in Egypt, so I think it is interesting how it comes full circle. Especially since the clockwerk parts ended up back in Egypt in modern day.
Well when you think about it, the copper vault is only accessable by a cooper. So Dr.M, Bentley, Murray, they're all getting non of the fortune assuming that's where it all goes
VTNVIVI I should have been specific... Dr. M may have been right to want in to the vault. That's one question I've always had yes a cooper may let people in but the key is the cane. That means if the cooper refused, they'd be locked out wouldn't they? The one thing drilled in to our heads in Sly 3 (puns) is that only a cooper can open the cooper vault. So if Connor Cooper didn't allow Dr. M in during his life time to open the vault. it'd make sense as to why he wanted into the vault which he has full rights to wouldn't it? (well full rights to a third of the cash he made with C. Cooper) Although we don't know how money is divided amongst the thieves after each heist if at all so, it's really a matter of if it is, how much made it into the vault and was it a fair amount...
Clockwerk waited for the right moment to strike. If he did truly kill all his ancestors, he killed the parents and spared the child until they got married and got their own kid or kids. Plus, he was fuelled by hate, that constant reminder that a Cooper still lives helped him remain alive.
We assume all ancestors, including Clockwerk, spoke English except for Bob. So we can say that English perhaps started during Slytunkhamen's time. But, I believe that Slytunkhamen might not speak English. If so, then a translator could have been installed into Clockwerk or with time, he learned the language. If Penelope built a time machine, she can do it again.
Thing is, are we sure? Sure he said Coopers always found a way to beat him, but until when? Once they got kids, I'm sure they were vulnerable and Clockwerk attacked.
The reason why Clockwerk did not kill Sly when he killed his father is actually explained by Clockwerk himself in Sly 1. He stated that he spared Sly for him to show the world that without the thevius raccoonus book, the Cooper family would have nothing, and that without the book Sly was an easy prey. There is however, one thing which makes his own statement really weird - Sly has the book in all of the games... :S
That penelope is annoying, because it's so much better that clockwerk do all the things for himself, the Cyber armor, the timetravel, the Plan to come back, because he allready knew, sly would defeat his body, cause coopers have in General so much Potential & the will, nobody knows that better than Clockwerk. Also he knew sly was there as kid, he said why he let him live. "To show the world that the coopers are nothing without the Book." But that Dr. M theory is way more better, but only that clockwerk really manipulated him, that shows how terrefying & Supurior, and influential he is!
Clockwork had to kill Sky’s parents before Penelope even visited him in the past because Sly had to meet Bently in order for her to get in the picture. In other words, Clockwork couldn’t have been working with Penelope because Clockwork killed Sky’s dad which caused Penelope to meet Bently in the first place.
Clockwerk was watching Sly & the gang. Clockwerk finds out about Bentley, hires Penelope as a secret spy. This could have involved faking a relationship.
If we're looking at the blimp that Crashed in Ancient Egypt, then Clockwerk perhaps wouldn't turn into a robot. It is believed the pieces of the blimp made all this possible. If Sly unintentionally caused his madness and dies before going back in time as destined, then Clockwerk would not be Clockwerk.
but what do u think about leparadox? pacause in sly 4 in first mission when u play with bentley and u go to room where bentley must hack the computer, in rooms wall is a text: does leparadox have something to do with clockwerk?
+VtnVivi I know that and dont get me wrong id love your theory to be true but that one thing that was fucked up already in first game is that clockwerk wanted to kill sly cuz if he would kill him he would die as well beacuse of hatechip...
clockwork died already...twice...and the reason why he's in sly 4 it's plainly because sly went back in time which was when clockwork was still alive spying sly's ancestors as the photos of each ancestors show that.. all of the other theories u guys are making are not even true based what was presented to us which is obvious evidence
You’re forgetting details in sly 1. Clockwerk knew that sly was alive, he even said he did it to show that without the book, the coopers are nothing. Also, Sly also says that the difference between him and his ancestors, is that they inherited the book, but he earned it
Heheh I've gotten this comment like a 100 times :P Looking back at this old video, I should've added that something is up... yeah he did spare Sly just to show that they're nothing without the book, but did he do that to all Coopers? Sounds possible and why? Because he needed hate to survive, he made sure the kid was born so and and so forth.
VTNVIVI I’ve been binge watching your theory videos on the gameplay and mechanics, and I think you should really push that agenda for sly 5. It would be revolutionary for the sly series.
Sly was trying to stop Clockwerk back in ancient Egypt but somehow he fucked up his setting his fate and destiny with Clockwerk where they become enemies
Clockwerk didn't kill the Sly ancestors, they all managed to defesat Clockwerk and he metions that in the first game at the end "You Coopers always find a way to defeat me" maybe in the firs game the parents of Sly where just to old to fight him, and maybe his mom is dead, and dad just hides Sly and Clockwerk doesn't know about him and that is how the book is been passed over the centuries. The ancestors all defeated Clockwerk
I mentioned it in another vid :). Although Clockwerk mentioned that, how are we so sure about that? Sly mentioned that when a Cooper sees Clockwerk, it's already too late. Maybe the Coopers always found a way to beat until they had children. Once the Coopers were too old to fight, Clockwerk attacked. Clockwerk, at some point in time, found out about the book and decided to put it to test, hence the situation with Sly.
+Laz bandicoot Oh boy, I've really left All 4 One behind XD, I still don't know if I plan on finishing it. If other interesting ideas pop up, I'll definitely make part 3 :)
Nope. Clockwerk appears in sly 4 because remember, in the thevius racconus we can see him in the photos of the ancestors. If in sly 4 we are time traveling back to those times then we would be able to see him in the background like in the photos. Dr m cant be involved because back then dr m was still running with slys father
VTNVIVI+ I dont think theyre done with the character.. he.. went out kinda weird in sly 2.. with the whole neyla thing.. wich i personally didnt like.. also takeing into concideration that he was in theives in time.. In easter eggs.. Sucker punch confirmed theyre not Easter eggs.. Idk just a thing to think about.
There's a lot they could do with Clockwerk. We don't even know what happened to his brain; one might decide to find it and build Clockwerk a new body. When did SP confirm that those weren't easter eggs? Were those intended to be in the game?
VTNVIVI, are u sure u don't want to work for Sucker Punch or Sanzaru because I'm sure they would love to hear your theories. What I mean is that they more than likely didn't have these ideas buzzing through their minds. They probably didn't have a Penelope or a Doctor M. planned out for Sly 2 or 3. Your theories are great, but the makers probably aren't the kind of guys that think big and positive like you. Even I couldn't come up with those kinds of theories before Sly 2 or 3 would be made. Anyway, I'm going to end this long letter by concluding that I love your video, your theories, and ever since I watched it, I thought a lot more about the backstory then I ever have before.
That's very kind of you to say that :D. I always wonder if anyone from Sucker Punch or Sanzaru would ever stumble upon one of these :P. Glad you enjoy these, I appreciate it thank you!
the only question I have is who was clockwerk? because in sly 2 band of thieves neyla jumps into clockwerks mainframe and becomes clock-la so if neyla was controlling clock-la who was controlling clockwerk?
+VTNVIVI we should do an interview discussing sly cooper theories and our thoughts about all of these sly cooper mysteries if you have a ps4 let's do an interview dude I'd love to get your opinion on a few ideas and thoughts I've got about all this. PS4 Online ID Sly_Cooper_4652
I have a theory of my own what if there was someone (Besides Penelope or Dr. M) behind every villain in the Sly Cooper Franchise. What if there was someone behind everything The Fiendish 5, The Klaw Gang, Dr. M, LeParidox all of them what if there was a villain who hated the cooper family soo much he orchestrated the plot to every villain who shared his hatred of the coopers.
Hmm...That'd be the biggest shocker! I wouldn't imagine EVERYTHING in the series being orchestrated by one individual, I feel it'd undermine the story a bit. As for a character having secret ties with say... Clockwerk? That I could imagine.
I have a bit of a theory as to why Clockwerk hated the cooper clan so much. That theory is that the Slytankahman, Sly Cooper’s ancestor in ancient Egypt, stole his bride to be.
In the boss fight of Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus, when Clockwerk is nearly defeated, you can hear him saying something about Flowers, and feet together!
Glad I'm not the only thinking of the possibility of a loved one!
Joe Humpston - Loving the “loved one” theory. Really, in order to hate so powerfully, one needs to have loved as powerfully. I’m liking the idea of Clockwerk being an individual who feels intense emotion - emotion obviously intense enough to keep him alive for longer than usual. Like, seriously; the thought that he persevered beyond his years because of the driving force of pure HATE is literally scary!
I like this theory because it gives clockwerk more purpose as a character. I think he stalks the coopers in Sly 4 to figure out how to kill the family.
Carl Wheeler Hey, if Sony ever decides to continue this franchise and shows the return of Clockwerk, they should have him voiced by Mark Hammil
Didn't Sly 2 start in Egypt? Are we all forgetting about that? Intetresting how it comes full circle.
Clockwerk survives on Hatred, correct? What would happen when if he were to completely destroy The Cooper tree? Aside from Becoming 'The Greatest Thief' he would have no one left to despise. Perhaps why he let Sly live was to use him as a fuel source. He NEEDS The Coopers in order to live ironically. SO perhaps he allows them to continue only to slowly tuture them and make them suffer.
I agree. No hate, no fuel. Perhaps he purposely hunted down the Coopers once they had children. Once the children would grow or even before, he would have something to hate on.
Gemsona - The problem I see with that is that he has no purpose other than to just hate for the rest of his existence. He would want to die instead of just live to hate a family - he gets nothing out of it that benefits him. He was clear that he wanted to wipe out the Cooper name and take their place as the greatest thief of all, but why would he want to become a thief? He’s an owl and owls are known for their stealth flight, but he must have had a profession in thievery that was overshadowed by the Coopers. Perhaps he worked with them and came to the conclusion that he would never best them as long as they lived. If he wanted to continue living on hate alone, he would just do what Arpeggio planned and hypnotize people into producing hatred off of which he could feed. No, I don’t think Clockwerk left Sly alive on purpose. I think his true intent is to pull a Lucifer and ASCEND to the Coopers’ status, replacing them and wiping them from existence.
@@VtnVivi but heres my question do coopers only have one kid per generation or did clockwerk go all bird of prey and hunted down most of the coopers leaving the most meek for last?
@@DragonspineInfiniteZero The series always implied Coopers had one child. I'd like to believe Coopers we've never heard of before had more than 1 kid. My wild theory was always about Clockwerk timing his murder if indeed he did do that all throughout. Let the Cooper have their kid, grow up so on and so forth for one reason only, to fuel his hate chip, a genuine reason to keep on hating.
@VTNVIVI I beg to disagree. Remember what Panda King said during Honor Among Thieves? He tried to argue with his dark half that Sly's demise would neutralize his dark half's existence, but, as his dark half stated, if Sly were to perish, the good would disappear. The hate would remain.
Vtn: "who else in the sly cooper games had the brains to do this?"
Me: Neyla
Vtn: "Dr.M"
Me: Oh *facepalm*
Neyla is only a manipulator, not a scientist like Bentley, Penelope and Dr. M etc.
There is sooooo much story left in this series. I would not like to see this series milked for money, but if there was at least 1 more long game, or 2 more sort of short games, I would buy the crap out of those.
+Airsoftking253 Same here :p
What if, at some point in time, Clockwerk himself, was a part of a COOPER gang? I mean think about it. What if the reason Clockwerk HATES the Coopers so passionately wanting to destroy them, is because he was possible the "brains" of a Cooper gang with one of Sly's ancestors, but felt like he was being used by the Cooper ancestor and found out a secret from the Cooper legacy? It could be entirely possible. He, being the brains, could have figured out how to create his own mechanical body to give himself immortality, then created a time machine to stalk the Coopers throughout their legacy. And he waited to strike at Sly's father is because HIS father was killed by a COOPER! But he was spared because they couldn't take the life of a helpless child!
+Stitched Jack Very nice theory :P. I actually thought of something like this! Clockwerk could have also been framed or something like that. If I expand on your theory, Clockwerk sparing the children makes sense. How come the thievius raccoonus is still intact? Because this guy only killed the parents. A Cooper perhaps killed one of his parents and as revenge, he decided to do the same. Clockwerk maybe followed his parents' wish, to get rid of the Coopers.
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Nah, the cooper killing clockwerks Family part fits Not the cooper vibe. Slys father was more a Ego, (According to Dr. M), but maybe just for outsiders, or better Non family members. Letting them back for the police or something maybe yes. Remember what clockwork said in the gaschamber when he trapped sly? "Pity was always your weakness!" Maybe slys father lerned from that, because of clockwerk or before? But that would be noice.
Finally a channel that cultivates all my childhood memories! Thank you so much for putting all this effort and passion in these videos, keep up the work 👌
+JustGamingTime Glad you enjoy it :D
I never thought about this before. Now that you’ve mentioned it, I desperately want Clockwerk’s hatred for the Cooper family to be rooted in lost love (such as the ancient Coopers having harmed Clockwerk’s wife or something like that), not just jealousy of their thieving prowess. I have the feeling that, because this is a kid’s game, the background doesn’t go that deep and it IS because Clockwerk is jealous of the Coopers’ thief skills that he hates them. However, for my own version, Clockwerk has to have loved as intensely as he hates in order to be fueled by hate to live on. I think Sucker Punch presented an awesome groundwork for these characters and I would love to see them made a little more mature to capitalize on the storytelling. It would certainly make his boss fight more epic!
As I always believed, jealousy alone was not enough to justify his hatred.
I really hope they make a sly 5 all of the sly games were part of my childhood. Definitely one of the best series ever!
+Gar Dunn Yeah!
it makes sense...still I kinda find it hard to believe Clockwerk to be a master thief...I mean anyone could see him coming a mile away.
+Jam-frog35 A master thief who got rid of all the ancestors...why such hate towards the Coopers? If we're lucky, future games will give us some backstory.
what makes Clockwerk hatred and Jealousy towards Coopers It probably Coopers did something 2 him
but for what the coopers did to him still remains unknown...for now.
clockwerk could be the mastermind behind thieving operations rather than the actual thief, I just thought of him like al capone; someone who did some dirty work (such as personally invading the cooper home w/ the fiendish five) but was mostly a leader who. did work behind the scenes. I've never seen him as a 'member' of the fiendish five but rather as the leader
VTNVIVI i get it since clockwork wants to get revenge on sly coopers father because he is better than him
Finally a channel that cultivates all my childhood memories! Thank you so much for putting all this effort and passion in these videos, keep up the work
+JustGamingTime Thanks :D Glad you enjoy it!
It's an interesting theory, but in the first game, Clockwerk said himself that he left sly alive to see that without his family's book, he is nothing
+Space Bro123 (Spacebro123) Yes! I did mention that in part 1. But what's weird is the fact that he wanted to prove this to Sly. He could've easily done the same thing to another Cooper. However, if Clockwerk found out about the thievius raccoonus when Sly was a kid, then what he said would make more sense. But, after living for hundreds of years or time travelling, wouldn't he had known about the book already? If Penelope truly plays a role in this, then she probably mentioned the book to him.
I always thought dr m rated out sly's dad to clockwork. But mind control does make since cuz of the spider with the clockwork eyes.
I guess Clockwerk had no idea of the existence of the Thevius Racconus until he found out that Sly's father had it. So he decided to end it there, plus making Sly suffer.
+Michele Portatadino Could be! However, he lived on for generations, so he says. Couldn't he have known about the book already?
+VtnVivi Ok, still he had no idea where was it, Penelope might have told him of course but even she had no idea where they ancestors kept it. Yet, I think not. Penelope is involved alright but not with Clockwerk. Or she really didn't know where the ancestors kept it.
"Revenge is the prime ingredient in the fountain of youth. I've kept myself alive for hundreds of years with a steady diet of jealousy and hate..."
You know that saying that people keep alive when they have a job to do? Now imagine devoting you're entire soul into the "express intention of wiping out a rivaless family line" by hunting them like prey through the centuries until you could finally steal everything from them via reputation, secrets, and casting away their orphaned child like a neutered gutter rat, left to grow up alone and struggling.
This is Clockwerk: a megalomaniac who sought to base his immortality in dominating a family only he saw as bitter rivals. His sick mind goes beyond simple thievery, he wants to steal EVERYTHING from the Coopers down to their lives, memories, and legacy - past, present, and future.
"I am the Alpha! And the Omega! Clock-(La/Werk)!"
I think Clokwerk can become completely immortal and invulnerable if he was fuled with enough hatred since during Sly 2 Arppeggio mentions that with enough hate clockwerk can have his "spark of immortality". so for this purpose clockwerk needed an appropriate target for hate to reach this goal and for his own personal reasons the coopers were a prime target. I think that towards the end of sly 1 that Clockwerk was extremly close to a full state of immortallity.
+KGamer616 The hate simply fuels him, the more hate he feels, the longer he lasts. Maybe the more hate he had, stronger he was. Clock-La felt power once she entered Clockwerk's frame, it was probably from the hate chip.
1 thing, if there ever is a Sly 5, they need to explain a lot of loose ends. Or make multiple games to try and tie up the loose ends. I agree with the whole Penelope and Dr. M theory, considering they both have the brains. I think Penelope is the more logical one since she already time travels to help Le Peradox take the coopers down.
I think Sly 5 should end Clockwerk's story. Make a nice huge game.
all deez theories are very good way to continue the story. good video!
+väinö ollonnqvist Thanks :D
I remember in Sly 2 when the Klaww Gang stole the Clockwork parts, each part had explained and showed unique abilities about them that Clockwork had, probably during the time he was alive watching the Coopers in the past and may have killed them with those abilities. That could possibly lead to how he killed the ancestors. I'm not sure, but it's a great thought.
+Darnell Putman Maybe Clockwerk really time travelled but never mentioned it. He probably wanted to keep the whole time travelling thing a secret. Once he realized that the Coopers outsmarted him with their technology, he found a way to turn into a robot, either Penelope, Dr.M or someone else is behind this. The thing is, him building the parts on his own in ancient Egypt sounds a bit odd to me, I mean there was nothing back then to build such thing...unless, Clockwerk had the brains to use the parts of the blimp to do so; either alone, or with the help of someone.
Sly Cooper: “I don’t get it. You’re so familiar with my family, you must have known my father had a son. If you hated the Coopers so much, why did you let me live when you stole the Thieveus Raccoonus?”
Clockwerk: “Because I wanted to show the world that without your precious book the Cooper line was nothing”
Exactly!!!
It does match up if Dr.M was involved, Awesome theory!
+Fruity Smoothieh :D
Penelope on the other hand, was too busy with her black barren job...was not even concerned about clockwork and who he was...
These theories man they are awesome he is getting me pumped about sly 5
I'm glad you think so :D
Clockwerk had to be mechanized long before 10,000 BC because when we see him in the Ice Age, he's a completed robot.
That could've probably just been a mere easter egg OR Clockwerk originates from the future and travelled back to 10 000 BC.
Best sly theory that I have ever heard.
+Nino Rissanen :D
I just thought of a theory of my own: what if clockwerk was from the future, rather than the past? A time where cybernetics was a normal thing, and with a Cooper to boot? It would make for the basis of a great game plot.
I did go over something like this in one of my other vids. It definitely doesn't sound like a far-fetched idea. Maybe he got a one way ticket to Ancient Egypt.
truth is that this and the Carmalita head canon are from the same idea, but I'm not sure if I could convay it to the people who made it. I don't even know where to send it to.
I telling u his ancient Egypt ancestor is himself he just changed himself
Roxas Destiny i was thinking too that sly is the first cooper. Thats why coopers are the masters of thieves
Nice video! Gosh I'm very late. But still. I'd like to share a theory about Clockwerk's origins.
Basically , Sly 1,2,3 and 4 took place in Universe Time Cycle 2 (UTC2) . Well, UTC2 is basically the second Sly Cooper universe. Its difference between the UTC1 ( original cycle) is that in: UTC2 has Clockwerk, while UTC1 didn't have Clockwerk at all.
In other words, Clockwerk was created at the end of UTC1 ( approx. in the time period will Sly 4 start, when we see really evolved technology). And then the "dark inventor" who invented Clockwerk restarted time completely. And so, UTC2 is born. Basically everything that happened in UTC1 will happen again, only one MAJOR change: Clockwerk's existence.
But who is the "dark inventor"? And guess what! If you think that Penelope is the "dark inventor" you are wrong. Here are the arguments:
Back in UTC1, there was no Clockwerk to kill Sly's parents, therefore Sly never would've ended up in the orphanage ( and NOT meet Bentley and Murray). With no Clockwerk, Sly 1 ( which took place in UTC2) didn't exist. Without Clockwerk, Sly 2 didn't exist. With Clockwerk not existing , he didn't reveil where is the Cooper Vault, Kaine Island so Dr. M didn't take over take over.
With Dr. M NOT controlling The Cooper Vault, Sly didn't need some expert mechanic , aviator, (I.E. Penelope. We consider that Bentley, Sly and Murray didnt have any contact at all, even in adulthood).
Since there was no need for Penelope, she would've continued her life as the Black Baron. And cause of the scenario, she would've never met Bentley, so they didn't work on the time machine, therefore, in UTC1 Sly 4 would have not took place either. Then who is the "dark inventor". It could be totally someone else, but Bentley is a suspect. Why? Well not meeting Sly in childhood, results, maybe for Bentley to become evil, as he might have a different point of view. So, cause of the hate to the Coopers, Bentley creats Clockwerk and the Time - Reset Machine. He might have been manipulated by Cyrille Le Paradox ,( Le Paradox is not suspect cause he isn't capable of over advanced technology), but I'm not sure. And cause of Bentley's invention, this caused Sly to end up in the orphanage in UTC2, we have a new heroic Bentley. But if Bentley isn't the "dark inventor", I truly don't know who...
whatever the cooper gang did, it has to be something incredibly bad that he had to make the hate chip just to keep his anger going for the remaining of him immortality. I feel like clockwork knew that when time catches up to him, he'll die without having revenge against the cooper gang, and when he created his immortality, he knows very well at some point he will start to "forgive" the gang and leave behind his desire for revenge and he didn't want that at all so give his immortality reason, the hate chip is the only thing reminding him why he hated them in the first place, it's the only thing driving him. hell i wouldn't be surprised in future sly cooper game where if we meet him, he wouldn't remember exactly why he wants revenge on the cooper gang. The only thing he knows is that he wants revenge either way and badly.
+Knox Interesting! I'm starting to wonder, what if his parents were killed and Clockwerk decided to follow their last wish, revenge? In Egypt, something probably happened to his parents and a Cooper was involved. Like I said, there is so much mystery behind Clockwerk, A LOT can be discussed.
+VtnVivi that would make sense, i feel like before all of this, he was some well known security provider. i mean if he's capable to become immortal then im sure he's no simple guy. Espicually in sly 1 where hes the final boss, he was splurting out words like u said in ur last videos that kinda gave a clue to his life. Maybe he bacame a well known security provider for someone he loved and the cooper gang were the only ones to outsmart him and beat him. Maybe this resulted in him loosing his title and the respect from his lover or the death of her. ether way, it was enough to fuel his anger to get rid of the cooper gang completely.
Knox There's just so much stuff one can come up with!
I love ur vids on sly bro I played all the sly games as a child keep on the good work and theories I also just subbed a couple minutes ago
Glad you enjoy them! Welcome to the channel :D
What if, for some crazy idea, Clockwerk is actually Penelope ?
This is my idea: Penelope, in sly 4, abandoned the cooper gang because Bentley hadn't let her use her genial constructs for crimes, and then traveled in time, building something like robots in the medieval. Maybe, at some point of Sly's story, she started to create Clockwerk as just a normal robot, but since the robot wasn't enough, she decided to put her "soul" into the mechanical horror (other theory, she was stuck with that robot in a unspecified, distant time, and to survive she transferred her consciousness into Clockwerk, creating the Hate chip).
We already saw something similar in Sly 2, with Neyla who literally transferred herself into clockwerk's body and used it.
So why Penelope couldn't do something like that ?
As we saw, in the 4th chapter she shown a great hate for Bentley and the rest of the gang, and tried to kill them.
So, analyzing again this points: Penelope created Clockwerk as something as a simple robot, but finding herself alone and with a deep, blind hate, she created the Hate Chip and transferred herself into Clockwerk, both to survive time and kill lately sly, starting all the fact happened till now.
Thinking of what Clockwerk said in Sly one, about eradicate the Cooper dinasty to become the Only Thif, Penelope said to wanting to become this (or something like that)!
I know this is crazy as hell, but I wanted to share this little idea of mine.
+Krash face I actually very briefly mentioned this idea in my old video. It's sounds very interesting; however, why would Penelope put herself in a robot fueled by a hate chip? Why would Penelope decide to hunt down every single Cooper in existence? That's why a theory like this sounds pretty huge (far fetched let's say). If this theory were true, then it would be the biggest plot twist ever! But, I could definitely imagine Penelope building the hate chip. Clockwerk was initially just a robot, with no hate chip who knows. Penelope, then gives Clockwerk a chip which is capable of making him live on for generations. Cool theory though, thanks for sharing :D
+VtnVivi Thank you for letting me know that theory wasn't bad :)
Krash face Thank you for taking the time to share your ideas!
This theory is amazing sly cooper was my childhood and it never would of thought of something like this
+Sam Orvedahl Glad you enjoyed it!
vtnvivi here are two more questions. 1:what did the clocwerk lungs and stomach do beside help clockwerk survive.2:how wee the clockwork eyes able to hypontize his enemies?.
1. Most likely all circuitry, leading one to another.
2. I guess due to the light it emits.
Uh EVERYONE knows that Dimitri is actually the main antagonist of the whole series
Jk
Although the theory of Penelope helping Clockwerk makes sense. Although she knew she could not destroy the Cooper line without destroying her own existence, so she set into motion the murder of sky's parents with Clockwerk, while she took care of sly. Maybe sly would have and ultimatum where he could save his parents, but never end up meeting his friends and having adventures, or let time play out the way it was supposed to. But he would have to live through the guilty of letting his parents die. Another theory is that sly is his own dad. ( the only thing wrong with that theory was his fathers OG crew) note I that these are darker. Also, I am a hardcore sly fan if you couldn't tell... Keep up the good work!
+Space Bro123 (Spacebro123) Sly travelling back to when he was a kid could really change the future. You're right, him saving his parents would cause him to lose all his pals and adventures. Sly being his own dad, oh boy, it's hard to get one's head around. Oh and thanks :p
Nice theory VtnVivi! :D
But hey that's just a theory a Sly theory XD
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+ComputerCatGaming Thanks! Oh and XD
+VtnVivi thar might be more in the movie, ps show me yore bilng and let me shine you and I'm back!!!
I think Dr.M seems more likely to help Clockwerk than Penelope. Dr.M is evil, but Penelope was just trying to make a profit.
I agree
+Raymond Davis Yes, Dr.M seems more likely for sure. But Penelope would make an even better plot twist. Someone who was once a friend turns out to be the one behind all this.
+VtnVivi Actually, after more thought I remembered that we only assume that Dr. M is dead. If he survived then what's to say that Penelope only sold time travel blueprints to Le Paradox? If she sold them to Dr.M then Penelope IS responsible for Clockwerk, if only indirectly.
If dr. M were to have survived that would be a crazy plot twist. Imagine a final battle between him and Bentley, both the brains.
Raymond Davis Cool theory!
The hieroglyphic owl means M as in doctor M. I think Slightenkommen and clockwerk were friends but got into some kind of fight. Dr. M probably gave him his immortality. Or dr.m maybe just created him
+Eli Roy I'll discuss about this in upcoming videos!
Cool thanks
Clockwerk was very scary when I was a kid.
The voice O_O
VTNVIVI, and the fact that he is an immortal robot owl who have lived for centuries.
Interesting theory! I like it! Also do you think the movie has been delayed to early 2017 or late 2016 for Sly? I really want some more info on this movie because it's been a year since we've gotten the trailer :/
+RED Ratchet Thanks! For the movie, so far still nothing :/. If movie hasn't started production at all, and we include 3 years of production, then the movie might release later than 2017.
VtnVivi Yeah... :/ no problem :D
I have been also saying that the series should eventually provide an explanation for clockwerk's origins. This is a perfect explanation. I worry that many of the sly 3 fans will continue to whine about Penelope turning into a villain.
+22dab95 Penelope turning into a real villain is just a nice plot twist :)
VtnVivi I agree but it could have been done a lot better. Her motivation could have used a better explanation, and the plot twist was underwhelming.
22dab95 That's why we need another game. They could better explain how Penelope suddenly turned bad.
You know the train that travels back in the stone age that is how clockwork was built and somebody had the knowledge to build him.
Could that someone be from the future?
+VTNVIVI Well I have two suspects leparadox and Penelope,I thought about Arpeggio but no no its not him.
In the last video you mentioned Clockwerk's final words, what if Penelope is/was his "lost" love and blamed the Cooper Clan for her death? What if Penelope was the Catalyst of this entire story? Now it all makes some sense in my mind at least.
A loved one could be it, but Penelope? Hmm... Pretty crazy, I'd imagine her falling for him if she were to bring him back. Not bring him from the past, but rebuild him once she finds the brain.
i think the reason why clockwerk didn't go for sly when he killed his father was because it would have killed him too. the reason why he is able to stay alive for hundreds of years is because he hates all the coopers. but what if there is no cooper left for him to hate?
That might also explain how Sly still existed. If Clockwerk did kill ancestors, he spared the children and watched them grow up. Let's say he spared the children simply to fuel his hate chip. Like you mentioned, he needs hate to survive. By watching the kids grow up just like their father, it filled him with hate. And yes, how would he survive with no more hate? Would he use time travel?
Great theory man!
+TheGamingTemple [TGT] Thanks :D
Why would Penelope turn Clockwerk into a Robot ? I mean, when the Cooper Gang first met Penelope, she wasn't a bad guy, she was just an aviation enthusiast. And at this precise moment, Clockwerk was already a robot, and already dead. It don't makes any sense.
Time travel! There could be a stable time loop within the timeline.
the reason sly was left alive was said in the first game by clockwerk he said"I wanted to show the world without your precious book the cooper line was nothing" he wanted to make sly a failure in the family line making the coopers look bad
+Mason Sims Yes! I mentioned that in my previous video. The weird thing about this is that he wanted to do this to only Sly. If he lived on for generations, then why didn't he do the same to other Coopers? Did he? If he did and succeeded, then Sly wouldn't exist.
Oh you do have a point there it is interesting, oh and I wanted to say I love your videos and keep doing what your doing! Syr if I sounded like a know it all. Curious to see what your next theorys are!
Mason Sims Thanks :p
I like the theory that everyone's hate and his own fuels the chip.
Clockwerk doesn't need to be doing anything for Penelope to want Sly to come to be. Its self-preservation. No Sly, no Penelope. No Penelope, no robot body. No robot body, no immortality. Of course this would also suggest that he also knew Sly was going to kill him, which would be an interesting position to be in, to say the least.
That said, I personally like the idea that Clockwerk was a self-made (pun intended) bird. Though getting help from Penelope could be cool. Especially if we don't use closed-time loops.
I also personally prefer the idea that Dr. M was correct. Sly's father was not a good friend. Just because it makes Sly's niceness a bit more special, and fits the theme of the conflict between legacy and self-direction the games sort of have. I figure Clockwerk's relationship with Slytunkhamen was similar to that between M and Conner.
Edit: Was listening to another of your videos. Time-traveling Penelope recruiting Sly (but who's the muscle?), thus creating an evil-twin scenario actually is an intriguing plot hook. I'm warming up to the "Evil Penelope" concept, though I still need to figure out how to get there in a world where Sly 4. Didn't. Happen.
Anyway, maybe Bentley accidentally let him though to the present while trying to psychoanalyze him?
Oh darn. If I make Penelope evil, she can't be a playable character.
Sorry, I'm thinking fan fic aloud now.
+PsychadelicoDuck Thanks for taking the time to write all this! I always thought that Clockwerk was initially friends with a Cooper, Slytunkhamen to be precise. Something probably caused him such hatred.
he is a fan fan favorite and a very cool villian in sly 5 they should put the ancestor that was showed in egypt (sly 1) forgot the name but when sly showed the pictures clockwerk was there they should add him plus he was shown in sly 4 like you said
He's too big to be a thief. He looks like the type that could level a city. Still, the Dr. M theory isn't farfetched.
+Ghoul Dash I always wondered why he wanted to become a thief. Was he trying to prove something to the Coopers?
VtnVivi Maybe he idolized them?
what if clockwork does not have immortality and use the parts from laperdoxes broken time machine to stalk the coopers and that's how he lived for hundreds of years
Well he was immortal until Sly 1 judging by the fact he lived for 100s of years.
Clockwerk was once a living Eurasian owl, so wouldn’t that make him a cyborg, and not a robot?
It depends. He probably built a metallic body and downloaded his consciousness into it. So basically his physical body does but his mind lives on.
@@BirchKST i guess you’ve got a point.
Really nice video! Now there is an issue with all this Penelope and Clockwork theory... the thing is that maybe ur right. Maybe Penelope did help Clockwork through this, and gave him some sort of help to defeat the coopers, but the problem is that, if it wasn’t for Clockwork, sly wouldn’t have ended in an orphanage, and he I didn’t end up there, he wouldn’t have met Bentley. And if he didn’t meet Bentley, then yea penelope wouldn’t have showed up in bentleys life... maybe I’m just confused or something, but we can at least agree on that this time travel thing is leaving some mysterious thoughts in all of our minds, and is pretty damn irritating and confusing lol. Love your analyses btw, don’t give up on the franchise, I want a sly 5!!!
This type of time travel is called a casual loop, where everything is ''destined'' to happen.
Wah Bra! The build stuff in Egypt with blimp is an amazing theory! Why didn't I think of that! I thought similarly, but with Penelope's leftover black knight stuff tho, then he time traveled. But yours is way better! And plus the blimp has the time travel stuff.
Wah!!!!! What if its sly's fault why clockwork hates the coopers, cuz he's in ancient Egypt with no help! Mind blown.
Who knows! Mind blown indeed!
Just a note, Sly 2 starts in Egypt, so I think it is interesting how it comes full circle. Especially since the clockwerk parts ended up back in Egypt in modern day.
Yeah!
I dont think we are not done with clockwerk and he would be good for sly 5
+Thegamer12345 I agree!
+VtnVivi clockwerk knew about sly because he said without the book the cooper line would be nothing when sly asked why he kept him alive
Most likely 90%-100% possible :)
I feel like the reason why he leaves most Coopers alive to fuel the chip no Cooper no hate no hate no clockwork
We think alike :)
Great Theory! :)
+tailsandclankfan Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Well when you think about it, the copper vault is only accessable by a cooper. So Dr.M, Bentley, Murray, they're all getting non of the fortune assuming that's where it all goes
Unless a Cooper lets people in. The fortune was then sealed by Penelope and Bentley, two people Sly trusted.
VTNVIVI I should have been specific... Dr. M may have been right to want in to the vault. That's one question I've always had
yes a cooper may let people in but the key is the cane. That means if the cooper refused, they'd be locked out wouldn't they? The one thing drilled in to our heads in Sly 3 (puns) is that only a cooper can open the cooper vault. So if Connor Cooper didn't allow Dr. M in during his life time to open the vault. it'd make sense as to why he wanted into the vault which he has full rights to wouldn't it?
(well full rights to a third of the cash he made with C. Cooper)
Although we don't know how money is divided amongst the thieves after each heist if at all so, it's really a matter of if it is, how much made it into the vault and was it a fair amount...
i dont understand, if clockwerk killed slys all ancestors before sly was born, how could he even exist?
Clockwerk waited for the right moment to strike. If he did truly kill all his ancestors, he killed the parents and spared the child until they got married and got their own kid or kids. Plus, he was fuelled by hate, that constant reminder that a Cooper still lives helped him remain alive.
I think that Dr M was involved in the clockwerk dreal
I don't think M would work for someone, maybe he felt that way with Conner and hated it.
If Clockwerk killed sly's ancestors, it must be after they left their canes in the cooper vault, so, maybe he killed them after they retired?????
+Shadow Dude They probably had to take care of their kids, it does make sense.
maybe clockwork was angry because sly cooper is the best thief around
He was jealous and tried proving he was the greatest thief alive. But I feel like there's more to this character.
very good theory vtnvivi
+Michael Salinas Glad you enjoyed it!
The mysterious metal the tresure is made of is the one that keeps clockwerk immortal
What if clockwerk’s backstory is sly’s future?
Penelope couldn't have given clockwerk immortality because she didn't have anything to time travel with and they didn't speak the same language
We assume all ancestors, including Clockwerk, spoke English except for Bob. So we can say that English perhaps started during Slytunkhamen's time. But, I believe that Slytunkhamen might not speak English. If so, then a translator could have been installed into Clockwerk or with time, he learned the language. If Penelope built a time machine, she can do it again.
All of Sly's ancestors managed to defeat him. His dad was the first to die by Clockwerks hand.
Thing is, are we sure? Sure he said Coopers always found a way to beat him, but until when? Once they got kids, I'm sure they were vulnerable and Clockwerk attacked.
oh and keep up the good work
+Welfell Gomez Thanks :D
The reason why Clockwerk did not kill Sly when he killed his father is actually explained by Clockwerk himself in Sly 1. He stated that he spared Sly for him to show the world that without the thevius raccoonus book, the Cooper family would have nothing, and that without the book Sly was an easy prey. There is however, one thing which makes his own statement really weird - Sly has the book in all of the games... :S
I went over that in my older vids :P
+VTNVIVI hey do think a sly will is possible
+Trevor Booker sly 5
That penelope is annoying, because it's so much better that clockwerk do all the things for himself, the Cyber armor, the timetravel, the Plan to come back, because he allready knew, sly would defeat his body, cause coopers have in General so much Potential & the will, nobody knows that better than Clockwerk.
Also he knew sly was there as kid, he said why he let him live. "To show the world that the coopers are nothing without the Book."
But that Dr. M theory is way more better, but only that clockwerk really manipulated him, that shows how terrefying & Supurior, and influential he is!
Clockwork had to kill Sky’s parents before Penelope even visited him in the past because Sly had to meet Bently in order for her to get in the picture. In other words, Clockwork couldn’t have been working with Penelope because Clockwork killed Sky’s dad which caused Penelope to meet Bently in the first place.
Clockwerk was watching Sly & the gang. Clockwerk finds out about Bentley, hires Penelope as a secret spy. This could have involved faking a relationship.
no problem
If clockwork killed sly then pinelipy would not make him into a robot.
If we're looking at the blimp that Crashed in Ancient Egypt, then Clockwerk perhaps wouldn't turn into a robot. It is believed the pieces of the blimp made all this possible. If Sly unintentionally caused his madness and dies before going back in time as destined, then Clockwerk would not be Clockwerk.
OK look the pages were gone but in sly cooper 4 the letters in the book just disapere maybe because that's the time the gang ripped the book
+Welfell Gomez Letters were disappearing because Le Paradox was alternating the Coopers' pasts, stealing their canes for example.
At 2:8 it's a family picture.so the "bad" guys must know about sly....
you mean the statue of the Sphinx look like clockwork but what can they do
Time and theories...
man this hurts my head
You and me both!
but what do u think about leparadox? pacause in sly 4 in first mission when u play with bentley and u go to room where bentley must hack the computer, in rooms wall is a text: does leparadox have something to do with clockwerk?
Oh that whole Bryner Noggin thing? I did make a video on it ;)
It all makes sense Dr.M turned a whale into a robot. Why not turn a huge bird into a robot.
A robot living off hate and jealousy... Sounds like a mix of magic to me.
its kinda weird cuz first 3 games were made by suckerpunch and fourth was made by sanzaru...
+Ti Je Mama After 3, Sucker Punch didn't feel the need to further continue. That's when Sanzaru came in.
+VtnVivi I know that and dont get me wrong id love your theory to be true but that one thing that was fucked up already in first game is that clockwerk wanted to kill sly cuz if he would kill him he would die as well beacuse of hatechip...
I REALY hope that sucker punch is working on the next title, if not I think this series is unfortunately lost
I know I LOVE this series!
+Gar Dunn I know! I just don't see sanzura doing 5 especially because sucker punch has not announced their next title and they say it's not infamous
+Cody Wozniak There's still the movie though, so the series isn't really that lost :p. The movie could probably expand the series.
+Gar Dunn :p
+Cody Wozniak I really hope sucker punch makes it so it will feel new and old at the same time
how can clockwork time travel at the same time with sky in sly 4 when clockwork was already dead?
Good vid tho
clockwork died already...twice...and the reason why he's in sly 4 it's plainly because sly went back in time which was when clockwork was still alive spying sly's ancestors as the photos of each ancestors show that.. all of the other theories u guys are making are not even true based what was presented to us which is obvious evidence
You’re forgetting details in sly 1. Clockwerk knew that sly was alive, he even said he did it to show that without the book, the coopers are nothing. Also, Sly also says that the difference between him and his ancestors, is that they inherited the book, but he earned it
Heheh I've gotten this comment like a 100 times :P Looking back at this old video, I should've added that something is up... yeah he did spare Sly just to show that they're nothing without the book, but did he do that to all Coopers? Sounds possible and why? Because he needed hate to survive, he made sure the kid was born so and and so forth.
VTNVIVI I’ve been binge watching your theory videos on the gameplay and mechanics, and I think you should really push that agenda for sly 5. It would be revolutionary for the sly series.
Sly was trying to stop Clockwerk back in ancient Egypt but somehow he fucked up his setting his fate and destiny with Clockwerk where they become enemies
Sly perhaps unintentionally caused Clockwerk to turn mad!
Yup
Clockwerk didn't kill the Sly ancestors, they all managed to defesat Clockwerk and he metions that in the first game at the end "You Coopers always find a way to defeat me" maybe in the firs game the parents of Sly where just to old to fight him, and maybe his mom is dead, and dad just hides Sly and Clockwerk doesn't know about him and that is how the book is been passed over the centuries. The ancestors all defeated Clockwerk
I mentioned it in another vid :). Although Clockwerk mentioned that, how are we so sure about that? Sly mentioned that when a Cooper sees Clockwerk, it's already too late. Maybe the Coopers always found a way to beat until they had children. Once the Coopers were too old to fight, Clockwerk attacked. Clockwerk, at some point in time, found out about the book and decided to put it to test, hence the situation with Sly.
will you finish the ratchet and clank all 4 one walkthrough and will you do part 3 of thus theory, it's starting making sense
+Laz bandicoot Oh boy, I've really left All 4 One behind XD, I still don't know if I plan on finishing it. If other interesting ideas pop up, I'll definitely make part 3 :)
+VtnVivi ok
Yes but wasn't clockwork destroyed at the end of the second game?
+Nicholas Garant He was. If someone were to time travel back to Ancient Egypt (Penelope or Dr M.), they could change everything.
+VtnVivi forgot to reply back on this one sorry
Nope. Clockwerk appears in sly 4 because remember, in the thevius racconus we can see him in the photos of the ancestors. If in sly 4 we are time traveling back to those times then we would be able to see him in the background like in the photos. Dr m cant be involved because back then dr m was still running with slys father
What if Penelope made clockwork immortal and build a time machine inside of him to kill sly'so ancestors
+Jacob Holly That's what came to mind in one of my other videos :p
VTNVIVI+ I dont think theyre done with the character.. he.. went out kinda weird in sly 2.. with the whole neyla thing.. wich i personally didnt like.. also takeing into concideration that he was in theives in time.. In easter eggs.. Sucker punch confirmed theyre not Easter eggs.. Idk just a thing to think about.
There's a lot they could do with Clockwerk. We don't even know what happened to his brain; one might decide to find it and build Clockwerk a new body. When did SP confirm that those weren't easter eggs? Were those intended to be in the game?
VTNVIVI, are u sure u don't want to work for Sucker Punch or Sanzaru because I'm sure they would love to hear your theories. What I mean is that they more than likely didn't have these ideas buzzing through their minds. They probably didn't have a Penelope or a Doctor M. planned out for Sly 2 or 3. Your theories are great, but the makers probably aren't the kind of guys that think big and positive like you. Even I couldn't come up with those kinds of theories before Sly 2 or 3 would be made.
Anyway, I'm going to end this long letter by concluding that I love your video, your theories, and ever since I watched it, I thought a lot more about the backstory then I ever have before.
That's very kind of you to say that :D. I always wonder if anyone from Sucker Punch or Sanzaru would ever stumble upon one of these :P. Glad you enjoy these, I appreciate it thank you!
VTNVIVI U r welcome!
the only question I have is who was clockwerk? because in sly 2 band of thieves neyla jumps into clockwerks mainframe and becomes clock-la so if neyla was controlling clock-la who was controlling clockwerk?
Good question! That's also a mystery. Clockwerk was basically like a computer, if Clock-La took over, what happened to Clockwerk's mind?
+VTNVIVI we should do an interview discussing sly cooper theories and our thoughts about all of these sly cooper mysteries if you have a ps4 let's do an interview dude I'd love to get your opinion on a few ideas and thoughts I've got about all this. PS4 Online ID Sly_Cooper_4652
I have a theory of my own what if there was someone (Besides Penelope or Dr. M) behind every villain in the Sly Cooper Franchise. What if there was someone behind everything The Fiendish 5, The Klaw Gang, Dr. M, LeParidox all of them what if there was a villain who hated the cooper family soo much he orchestrated the plot to every villain who shared his hatred of the coopers.
Hmm...That'd be the biggest shocker! I wouldn't imagine EVERYTHING in the series being orchestrated by one individual, I feel it'd undermine the story a bit. As for a character having secret ties with say... Clockwerk? That I could imagine.
maybe slys fhater is the real vilian?
You know i never really thought about it that way, maybe all Coopers are bad people.
They're thieves, of course they're bad people.
Well... Clockwork can brainwash people so I would see him making M paranoid.
This guy is every Sly fan's nightmare
Why?
+Lixre Do you mean Clockwerk or Vivi?
+Raymond Davis lol I meant Clockwerk not Vivi I have no problem with Vivi I love this channel
Oh what sorry I thought you meant Vivi. i was thinking WHAT been as his plots and theories are awesome!
I am actually fascinated by Clockwork i would be glad to hear his story