Inside a Toyota VVT-i Camshaft Gear!

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  • Ever wonder how the Toyota VVT-i cam gears work? Here's a look inside one!
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  • @msgcheckout
    @msgcheckout 10 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Those orange blocks are seals just as you would have rings in pistons, to seal pressure from leaking, except these are vertical seals and the spring ensures that the seals maintain a tight seal against moving parts.

    • @glasser2819
      @glasser2819 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      nothing is sealing oil pressure against the flat front cover 😂

  • @AndrewEG
    @AndrewEG 11 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The pin has two functions. To locate the cam during start up and as a safety feature if there's an internal oil seal leak. When this occurs the pin will lock in and the ECU will recognize that the cams aren't adjusting at various engine rpm and load points. On each VVT unit there will be 4 sensor points that are spaced uniquely to allow the ecu to know what degrees the cams are set at.

    • @donaldholder2434
      @donaldholder2434 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      hey, i have the 2015 camry with 2AR 4cyl. I have code P0015 and P0017 with no rattle at startup but rattle when feathering throttle at other speeds. Also get occassional flash of low oil pressure (not sure if sender problem or really oil pressure prob). do you know if there may be oiling issue or just one of the phazers is failing. Sounds like you may be able to help me diagnose or what to check. thanks

  • @jeffreymorton1482
    @jeffreymorton1482 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    the vvt gear also when pin pops out keep exhuast valve open longer at higher rpm to prevent head gasket from blowing why these motors are bullet proof only way to destroy a toyota is to throw a rod through the piston no oil no collant

  • @kaganhudayar630
    @kaganhudayar630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    The pin locks everything in place. When VVT system needs to change timing, oil is diverted to the pin, pushing it open against the spring, and allowing the gears to move. When oil pressure decreases, the gear locks back into place.

    • @somethingelsehere8089
      @somethingelsehere8089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The pin is to prevent a rattle noise on startup, since there is no oil pressure.

    • @evanprinkey3050
      @evanprinkey3050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@somethingelsehere8089 I have a startup rattle on my 1zzfe coming from this area, do you think this could be related?

    • @somethingelsehere8089
      @somethingelsehere8089 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evanprinkey3050 It could.

    • @caseyalexander2244
      @caseyalexander2244 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​​@@somethingelsehere8089On the Honda actuators the pin is the cause of the rattle, caused by the spring becoming weak and shortened. I don't think the purpose of the pin is to prevent the rattle, it's job is to locate the timing back to 0 degrees. As oil pressure decreases the spring then acts upon the pin and the pin then locates itself into it's detent. Having no oil pressure there at startup is what allows the pin to stay locked and not rattle.

  • @unclebs4732
    @unclebs4732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have 2007 Corolla with a 1zz-fe 1.8 4 cylinder, I was changing the timing chain and the VVT moved back and forth. I removed it from the cam and it rattled inside. Took it apart and one of the leaves(?) of the rotor had broken completely OFF! That was the rattling sound the engine made when started. Changed the VVT gear and no more noise!

  • @drew79s
    @drew79s 10 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The pin is a hydraulic piston that stops the cam from changing timing when theres no oil pressure. Its so that the cars timing is locked at startup and any time that the cam isn't under computer control.
    BTW The computer uses the lugs on the camshaft to continuously time the cam using a solenoid on the block.

    • @chrischoy9
      @chrischoy9 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Is that what causes the characteristic knocking sound on VVT-i engines when you restart the engine while warm after letting it sit for 5 minutes? i.e. when the oil thickens and takes like 10 seconds for it to circulate before it activates again?

    • @Mad4Tracks
      @Mad4Tracks 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That sounds more like chain rattle

    • @x-man4702
      @x-man4702 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very similar system to Volkswagen.

    • @mushinjikangungu
      @mushinjikangungu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OK am building a 1AZ noticed that thing is not really holding in place is knocking through out how can I fix that and what kind of damage can occur if I ignore it to move the vehicle to another garage? would this mean am not getting enough pressure.. The oil pump is new. Just remembered I had bought a new cam shaft. Can get this old bit and put on the one on the engine?

    • @x-man4702
      @x-man4702 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mushinjikangungu
      Good question, I want to knkow as well.

  • @Assassin1710
    @Assassin1710 11 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    VVT-i is turned on at set points that use throttle angle and engine rpm as input signals. The engine ecu has a map and when the inputs are good it turns on an "oil control valve" that sends oil pressure to the vvt-i gear to turn it on

    • @donaldholder2434
      @donaldholder2434 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      hey, i have the 2015 camry with 2AR 4cyl. I have code P0015 and P0017 with no rattle at startup but rattle when feathering throttle at other speeds. Also get occassional flash of low oil pressure (not sure if sender problem or really oil pressure prob). do you know if there may be oiling issue or just one of the phazers is failing. Sounds like you may be able to help me diagnose or what to check. thanks

  • @prestonjames6776
    @prestonjames6776 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I remember taking apart a 2jz vvt-i cam sprocket and was a very different design. Just shows how Toyota has come up with a new way to do the same job more efficiently. Granted it is not as aggressive as a V-tec system which has a different cam shaft profile when commanded but this is how Toyota gives you the performance timing when it is commanded by the ecu when a certain rev is matched.

  • @fordinlinestraight
    @fordinlinestraight 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The vct solinoid has one input oil feed and two output, the two output one for retarding timing and one for advancing. As rpms rise the phaser will advance. It keeps the engine in optimal timming. Hence spark firing early btdc

  • @thedevhow
    @thedevhow 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Let's say VVT is for intake only and exhaust has a conventional sprocket. VVT sprocket has a range of movement, like you show - up to 4 teeth, exhaust sprocket is fixed. Where does the chain slack to allow for this movement come from, are VVT engine chains inherently loose to allow for this movement? EDIT: I might have figured it out watching T0G5KLN4a_w. The sprocket doesn't move in relation to other sprockets, what moves is the camshaft itself in relation to VVT sprocket, thus no chain slack is needed, duh.

    • @PatonHaus
      @PatonHaus  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Karolis Tamutis You got it. My explanation wasn't very concise.

    • @totalenergyservicepvt.ltd.4259
      @totalenergyservicepvt.ltd.4259 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      This had me puzzled as well. Thank you for a good, concise explanation.

    • @sammiller3288
      @sammiller3288 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good way to look at that thank you

  • @mike-yp1uk
    @mike-yp1uk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you start the car there's no oil pressure and that pin prevents the VVT from getting hammered to death. Oil pressure builds up and hold the pin in against the spring until you shut the car off.

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If you're working on this stuff then yeah having a set of bits is definitely a good thing. I find vice grips do the trick nicely haha. Thanks for the feedback!

    • @deezzam4672
      @deezzam4672 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You need a tp torx plus bit set it looks like. I have some in a neiko torx bit set.

  • @kathytaylor1935
    @kathytaylor1935 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The pin keeps the cam and gear locked together when their is no oil pressure like when starting the engine.

    • @stijnpeeters9458
      @stijnpeeters9458 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      can these fail and cause hard starts when the car sat a while and the oil drains? starts after 3-4 attempts when it has been sitting and fires right up when the engine just ran

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Toyota has literally manufactured millions of these engines...hear about any damaged valves?

  • @jeremyjohnthompson5187
    @jeremyjohnthompson5187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, is it super bad that i was able to unlock mine simply by turning it? im in the midle of amajor teardown and inspection of my timing system because of a drivability issue, and i remember just one time that mine made the cold start grinding noise many months ago. Perhaps my lock pin is rounded and therefor not locking when its suppposed to. My analysis of it with my eyes and brain suggests that the lock pin is there to stop it rotating until there is oil pressure, so as to stop the cold start rattle and also to stop it form moving out of time while there is no oil pressure to hold it in time. I was undoing the little torx bolts to inspect it, (without the chain) and it just slipped, then i realised i could lock it again by turning it back, thne give it a hit with my palm and i could unlock it. Now im wondering if this is happening randomly causing my stuttering at idle, and maybe even the reason for my lack of power and code p0341, which i thought was a stretched chain.

  • @TheMannyAdvan
    @TheMannyAdvan 10 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    VVT-I does not have lift like VTEC ,only VVTL-I does..The pin locks the gear in place ,until the VVT-I solenoid allows oil to flow into the gear and then the pin moves and allows the gear to be free to move and change timing and the intake and exhaust valves over lap each other at times to optimize fuel efficiency and lower emissions..
    FyI: VTEC uses different cam lobes with larger and longer duration to create lift,VVTL-I uses a pin that is moved by oil to increase duration and create more lift..

    • @PatonHaus
      @PatonHaus  10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep, you got it. Thanks for the comment!

    • @skorpiogm
      @skorpiogm 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      very interesting!! so, does that mean that honda is better and more trouble free than toyota engines? cuz right now i am having issues with a 2.5 liter knockin sound at start up??
      please help me!!!

    • @sasajungic89
      @sasajungic89 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not really memo. Honda is using similar system now. They still have vtec but they also have a vvt for some more low rpm tourqe and better fuel efficiency

    • @soundmoneystacker2787
      @soundmoneystacker2787 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heer Kommando not really Honda’s and Toyota’s everyday bmws suck

  • @karysquinceaneraboutique
    @karysquinceaneraboutique 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The same problem have my car, making noise when I start it...😫..I have to change it..where are you located?..

    • @Sci-Mon1
      @Sci-Mon1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's actually not that hard to do yourself. Depending on the car. Basically the steps are remove the valve cover, hold timing chain in place, remove tensioner, remove the camshaft that the vvti gear is attached to, then remove and replace the vvti gear, put it back together, make sure timing is correct, and done! The real important part is to make sure the timing chain doesn't fall, because if it does, an hour long job just turned into a 10hr long job.

    • @gersonbanegas4518
      @gersonbanegas4518 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, you fixed it your car, I have that same noise when I start it cold, as I understood in this video the pin no lock camshaft

  • @SilverStupid
    @SilverStupid 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My 2007 IS350 was making the same sound from a cold start. Finally after months I just took it in and it was vvti gears worn. My warranty had expired but the dealership still did everything for free since I had brought the problem up to them in the past and they had it recorded in their system. This time they were able to figure out what it was. They replaced all sorts gaskets, cylinder heads, camshafts, and more. Probably would have costed me tons of money but thankfully I got taken care of.

    • @DebtFreeCars
      @DebtFreeCars 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which gear did they replace? Did you see the old parts?

  • @X2iVaz
    @X2iVaz 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Have you tried using Full Synthetic Engine Oil?
    My Corolla, used to making a rattling noise, till I changed oil, I use Penrite 5-40W FULL SYN.

    • @juanster13
      @juanster13 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Christopher Vaz isnt that diesel oil?

  • @rangerrick8220
    @rangerrick8220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I get a 1-2 sec loud rattle when I start up my 2016 Toyota Camry 2.5 L engine... could this pin be the problem? Someone told me this cam gear is draining back oil when it shouldn't...

    • @PatonHaus
      @PatonHaus  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, the loud quick rattle at startup is typically due to the vvti cam gear. I believe the repair is to replace the gear entirely.

  • @A2J_Tim
    @A2J_Tim 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bet that is the rattle you hear in the gear on cold start up, that spring has lost tension and is not locking the gear like its suppose to and the gear rattles back and forth on that pin with the weak spring. Honda has the same design, on Honda I stretch that spring if it has cold start rattle and reinstall it then the the cold start rattle goes away, I bet its the same on this cam gear.

  • @Mike-t9n2p
    @Mike-t9n2p 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think they are confusing a s all he.. I know one thing when they start to give you an error code you should listen to it I DONT even understand it ye0et to be honest but Toyota is well known for going against the grain i remember thae air fuel mixrure sensors crapped out on me i have a 2003 rav4 still do i was getting the thing inside was not heating upmafter some reseRch toyotas air fuel mixture sensors are unlike any other lets just say HONDA FOR EXAMPLE NORMAL temperature range for them is about 800 degrees fahrenheit while Toyotas air fuelmratio sensors are almost 500 degrees higher hmmmm i read more and there the only car manufacturer to run theirs so high so unusual stuff nwith a toypta no longernsurprises me,I bellieve they were just more ahead of their time than any other manufacturer ..... and i remember dint even attempt to put or replace an oem sensor with any thing other than oem oem for air fuel is DENSO AND AT ABOUT. $140 BUCKS A POP ARE MOST EXPENSIVE ON THE MARKET TOO I KNOW DENSONISNOEM FOR SOME THINGS BOSCH ARE THE OEM FOR OTHERS AND DELPH ZRE OEM FOR OTHERS DONT CHEAP OUT ON ANY SENSOR ON THIS MOTOR OR YOU WILL JUST BE DOING IT AGAIN A SHORT TIME
    ATER OH BACK TO THE VARIABLE VALVE TIMING SENSORS I STARTED TO GET AN ERROR CODE RELATING TO THEM I REMEMBER TELLING MY KID ITS ONLY THAT DAMM TOYOTA AGAIN CRYING ABOUT SOMETHING OR ANOTHER NOT BEING OE, SO SOON AFTER I GOT THPSE VARIABLE VALVE TIMING ERRORS I BROKE A CONNECTING ROD ON NUMNBER 2 PISTON COMING OFF A HIGHWAY EXIT RAMP DOING ABOUT 30 MPH THE CONNECTINFG ROD LET LOOSE
    SLAMMED AGAINST THE SPARK PLUG DESTROYING IT AND PUTTIN A NICKEL SIZED HOLE RIGHT THRU THE TOP OF THE PISTON... I CANNOT PROVE IT, BUT MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE TOOK THOSE VARIABLE TIMING VALVE ERROR CODES MORE SERIOUSLY..... AS I WRITE THIS THE TOYOTA RAV4 IS HAVING A USED 70 THI0SAND MILE ENGINE IN IT MY KID LIKES IT AND I MUST ADDMITT SO DO I IT IS A FUN LITTLE VEHICLE TO DRIVE,.....

  • @hassanmahmood703
    @hassanmahmood703 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have prius gen 2 and having a dtc p0012. Its related to vvti phaser , ocv, timing and oil pressure. I have tried all of above possilities but still my car check light is on with p0012 says camshadt timing retard anyone had this problem

  • @scottlippincott4510
    @scottlippincott4510 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The "Orange Blocks" are oil seals. The mechanism works via engine oil pressure, in a push-push arrangement. The ECU determines the position by varying pulse widths to the variable timing control solenoid. A square wave (equal + and - time intervals) holds current timing. Narrowing or widening the pulse varies the timing. The pin is to lock the timing until oil pressure has been established. Exhaust timing is fixed.

    • @glasser2819
      @glasser2819 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      they also use the exact same setting on exhaust camshafts for variable exhaust timing.
      Newer designs don't use a side oil solenoid but rather a head mounted PWM push solenoid in the center of VVT Gear.
      These timing systems are built to wear out (piston/pin) and pop codes because the ECU has the timing on a close watch.
      👍🏻

  • @Ironboxgarage
    @Ironboxgarage 11 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The pin is spring loaded to hold the gear in place once you reach a certain rpm or speed the oil pressure will push the pin up allowing the gear to rotate vtec vvl-i cvt ect are all designed to give a boost in power on the hi end for passing or fun the pin keeps thing from moving till needed to preserve fuel economy

    • @AffordBindEquipment
      @AffordBindEquipment 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +lilseip-B14 then what causes the rattle on cold start?
      T-SB-0041-13

    • @MemphisMojo15s
      @MemphisMojo15s 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +AffordBindEquipment- the phasers that control the timing inside the cam gear actuator..they are dry and rattle until the oil hits them.

    • @chrischoy9
      @chrischoy9 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mine doesn't rattle on a cold start, but it does on a warm engine start and last for like 10 or so seconds.

    • @WillCarrot
      @WillCarrot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MemphisMojo15s what’s the fix for this? Toyota replaced my cam gear and it’s still there.

    • @caseyalexander2244
      @caseyalexander2244 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@MemphisMojo15s Except, oil doesn't hit them until a certain RPM/load. And that's not happening at start-ups.

  • @hemoo12345
    @hemoo12345 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a question
    my car (lexus is 350 ( 2gr-fse engine VVTI)
    Every morning When startup Engine sound (rattle-noise)
    A little bit of time Only when the engine is cool
    Some say (ADJUSTER ASSY, VALVE LASH)
    Others say VVTI ( CAMSHAFT GEAR )
    Is the problem of VVTI ?

    • @glasser2819
      @glasser2819 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Problem is cold THIN OIL !
      Simply use a THICKER OIL like a 10W30 or 40

  • @SANDSHOE
    @SANDSHOE 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gear builder can you give answer to the electric engine make by combining Motor and engine see in my channel....

  • @AffordBindEquipment
    @AffordBindEquipment 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    toyota dealer just repaired my 2009 rav4. TSB 0041-13. The spring loaded pin is not dropping in to lock it up at cold start. The rattle stops after oil pressure comes up to full. $625 repair at the dealer.

    • @johnferguson7235
      @johnferguson7235 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +AffordBindEquipment Change oil more frequently and use a top quality filter. Use synthetic engine oil, it has more detergent and prevents residue from building up inside the assembly.

    • @MemphisMojo15s
      @MemphisMojo15s 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +John Ferguson that won't make the lock pin go in, though, but your recommendation is spot on

    • @johnferguson7235
      @johnferguson7235 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      2010V6RAV4 The build up of varnish and sludge is what takes out the VVT almost every time. Keep it clean and it will run 200k miles.

    • @MemphisMojo15s
      @MemphisMojo15s 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +John Ferguson so, you're saying the rattle isn't anything mechanically failing? I've never gotten a straight forward answer. I change the oil every 5-7k with filter, and halfway between changes I change the filter again. I look at 200k on a well maintained Toyota engine as being nothing. I had 298k on a 94 2.4 liter that I ran conventional oil in and it idled for Hours at a saw mill, and it wasn't even using oil or making abnormal noises.

    • @MemphisMojo15s
      @MemphisMojo15s 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +John Ferguson these engines use a cartridge filter. they suck. I use fully synthetic oil in both of my vehicles. I still change my oil in my V6 RAV4, every 5k. quality oil and frequent oil changes are cheaper than an engine. :-)

  • @michaelnessen3605
    @michaelnessen3605 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ummm......drilled them out?!? I'm sure you have vise grips?!?

  • @fireyourrocketts
    @fireyourrocketts 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That has 5 star tamper security screws because it is a critical part of the engine that can mess up the car really good if you put it back wrong without the proper way to do it. There is a reason for that part being protected. i have mine from an engine which head I am rectifying and this engine was run without oil to the point it failed with oil all burnt inside it. I wonder if inside the VVT-i gears there is still oil burnt that would impede its functioning right; it was washed at the machine shop off the oil externally but wondering if inside needs to be cleaned as well; but i am told by many mechanics to leave it alone and not to take it apart as it may mess up the car later on.

    • @caseyalexander2244
      @caseyalexander2244 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a Honda with an almost identical actuator in design and operation. I have been inside of mine 5-6 times to dabble with the spring and locking pin in attempts to stop the rattle. As long as that's as far as you go, and you make sure that nothing is forgotten and tighten the bolts to a torque value between 8 and 10 ft/lbs there are no issues.

  • @BLUEVITZrs
    @BLUEVITZrs 12 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The pin is to lock the cam in the place to start the engine when there's no oil pressure.

  • @samfish6938
    @samfish6938 ปีที่แล้ว

    it might be CTA 9292 10mm Toyota/Lexus Head Bolt Wrench

  • @gustavorlore
    @gustavorlore 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Vvt gear needs to unlocked before taking off cam,( try dissembling the vvt like he did ONLY IF REPLACING WITH NEW ONE then take off cam bolt)if you don't it will grip the guide pin on the back of the gear making it very difficult to take off, do your search very carefully it took me hours of research online on how to approach this. When you install back the vvt gear needs to be unlocked( look at the dots on the housing) and make sure it seats nicely in the right grove, torque to specs and the turn clockwise on the vvt gear housing then you hear a click and to make sure you locked the vvt look at the dots they have to line up together if is not its still unlock. ( Toyotas of this design are prone for 1 second start up rattle and that lock pin is the culprit)

    • @joeholland428
      @joeholland428 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      G R i have been reading and watching about “having to be unlocked when assembling”. I am not following why. I have been messing with one this afternoon and can get it to unlock and move but as soon as you let go the spring moves it back to the locked position.
      So what is the purpose of having to unlock it prior to assembly if the spring is going to just move it back to the locked position as soon as you let air pressure off?
      Thanks for any reply.

    • @MrSteve19791
      @MrSteve19791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So my question is the pin not locking due to weaked spring? If so can stretching or replacing the lock pin spring resolve the issue!

    • @michealajiboye
      @michealajiboye ปีที่แล้ว

      hey thanks for your comment it really helps, i have a 2gr-fe v6 engine i am working on, i change the head gasket and set the timing properly but when i run the engine and scan i got the (crankshaft position correlation bank 1 sensor B) code ( P0017 ), i had to pull the engine again, i turned the crankshaft clockwise 360 over and over again the timing setting was correct, then i turned the Exhaust camshaft with a wrench spanner and noticed it was loose and not locked in place while the others are perfectly locked. kindly bail me out on what to do, should i turning it till i hear the click sound without removing the timing chain? am not sure what to do help me out.

  • @paulbt2008
    @paulbt2008 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it adjusts under pressure when it reaches around 5-6000 rpm the pin releases the cam that gives engine a boost up to 9000 RPM its called VTEC

    • @PatonHaus
      @PatonHaus  10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thanks for the comment Paul. VTEC is a Honda technology, Toyotas version seen here is VVTI.

  • @willf5768
    @willf5768 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guess that plunger spring is what gets weak and causes the first start rattle noise. And if you stretch the spring to create more tension the rattle stops.🤔 Interesting.

    • @A_Mechnaical_Design
      @A_Mechnaical_Design 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What proof you have of this?

    • @A_Mechnaical_Design
      @A_Mechnaical_Design 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What proof you have of this

    • @willf5768
      @willf5768 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@A_Mechnaical_Design www.researchgate.net/publication/249922054_Overview_of_factors_contributing_to_steel_spring_performance_and_failure

    • @caseyalexander2244
      @caseyalexander2244 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it is. No - don't stretch it, replace it.

  • @DeanCole
    @DeanCole 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video. That is the part that is messing up on my 2008 Highlander. For some reason now oil drains out of this area during a cold soak of at least 5 hours. When the car is started you get a rattle at start up. Sounds like crap. Only a $6,000 dollar fix from Toyota.(ha) Been doing this for the last 30,000 miles so it evidently isn't fatal initially.

    • @PatonHaus
      @PatonHaus  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ouch, that's a steep quote. I believe these gears were subject to a recall by Toyota but I may be mistaken. It may be worth doing some research to see if your vehicle qualifies.

    • @DeanCole
      @DeanCole 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was only covered by the 60,000 mile power train warranty. Toyota said they have to pull the engine to get to the VVT and that it is very labor intensive. I'm no mechanic so I don't know if that price is reasonable for the work needed. I just know I ain't paying it..

    • @wattch8076
      @wattch8076 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dean Cole Through Mitchel which is a labor / hour guide shows it to be 23.6 hrs
      labor time for the timing assembly in a 3.5 liter engine with AWD, not sure what the hourly rate is there but at $100.00 an hour your looking at 2300.00 for the removal of engine, transmission replacement of the part. A wheel alignment will be required add perhaps 70.00 to 90.00 reasonably. At nearly 2460.00 in labor plus parts at gears running 200.00 a piece its certainly making its way up there but 6000.00 seems a bit off unless they are suggesting other things like head machining, rings / rebuild?

    • @DeanCole
      @DeanCole 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      wattch thanks for the information. That was pretty in depth. I really appreciate it.

    • @MemphisMojo15s
      @MemphisMojo15s 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +PatonHaus Lexus did a recall on their 2gr version.

  • @garageadz
    @garageadz 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like oil starvation. Try changing the grade of oil you use to slightly thicker cold viscosity.

    • @glasser2819
      @glasser2819 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      yep, indeed thicker to build more pressure in an old loose engine, not thinner !
      10w30 or 40

    • @caseyalexander2244
      @caseyalexander2244 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@glasser2819I'd start with 5w-20, then mix 5w-20 with 5w-30 to make 5w-25. That's as far as I'd go. You don't want to be running anything heavier than that with modern variable valve timing engines.

  • @Saudara_spiritualis
    @Saudara_spiritualis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This piece of crap gave me headache for the past couple of days. The car I've been working on output DTC P0016. I've replaced the OCV, and disassembled/reassembled the timing chain cover for 3-4 times to double-check the timing chain markings, everything seemed ok but the problem persisted. Then after I replaced the vvti sprocket the problem disappeared. I didn't have the necessary tool to disassemble the sprocket to thoroughly inspect the sprocket in the first place.

  • @haa1774
    @haa1774 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So who else has the rattle in their toyotas?

    • @juanster13
      @juanster13 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mr. Ali I do man, cant stand it anymore, its embarrasing at times

    • @somenotherdude333
      @somenotherdude333 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I no hear nothing 🙉 lalala lalala lalala 😂

  • @mohameddada2580
    @mohameddada2580 ปีที่แล้ว

    Atleast you honist,when you don't know how things work.

  • @黃翔榆-y9v
    @黃翔榆-y9v 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    感恩了解,謝謝分享!

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    @moham7ad Yep, read it and still sticking with my original comment. Mivec is most somilar to vtec. Look it up. High lift cam lobe gets activated at set rpm (just like vtec). Not an argument, it's fact.

  • @luckyhands4995
    @luckyhands4995 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that advances a lot more than i thought it would

  • @adventure461
    @adventure461 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The tap,ered pin is a check valve that is kept in its hole by the spring on top of it.as the RPM goes up , so the oil pressure, which will unseat the pin , hence the rotor will move to advance the timing based on the conditions. When the engine rpm decreases , so the oil pressure, and the pin goes back to its seat. Thanks

    • @donniecahill5243
      @donniecahill5243 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Everything you said is incorrect, no thanks

    • @taufiqrizal3808
      @taufiqrizal3808 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think this is the most reasonable explanation.
      So, everyone who has another thoughts, please explain it here.

  • @hotrodswoodshed7405
    @hotrodswoodshed7405 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really good explanation. Thanks for the video

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's why mechanics use pins or specialized factory supplied tools to lock the cams in place when changing the belt/chain. This is just a sloppy mechanic.

  • @greyghost1962
    @greyghost1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That radio station your playing sure plays alot of ads

  • @angelmariovalladares1137
    @angelmariovalladares1137 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo tengo el mismo problema con mi rav 4 2001

  • @AutoBodyEverything
    @AutoBodyEverything 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My NEW but aftermarket phaser on QR25DE don’t stay locked for shit. It clicks allllll day long turning the crank with a wrench it clicks every one full rev of crank. There’s no reason for the pin to not be locked in retard when the crank turns clock wise and the phaser springs ahead of the cam in the same clock direction. It must be the valve springs pushing the lobes up which turn the inside of the phaser to shift forward but ONLY oil psi can unlock the pin. I’m going to RE OPEN this stupid phaser crap and stretch the spring that holds it down bcs I have harder springs and ac turbo so this makes things worse for the poooor phase. If this don’t work I’ll have to build an electric oil prime to the gear cover to prime the stupid phaser bcs I’ve been doing it with my starter. Watch my vid if you can it’s one of the most recent.

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Aken Rahman What the heck is ocv? Google knows nothing of this ocv you speak of.

  • @bryankelley9264
    @bryankelley9264 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a T20 to take those screws out

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I must disagree. MIVEC is most similar to Honda's VTEC where there is a seperate high lift cam lobe which gets activated at a set rpm via hydraulic "pins" that link the cam lobe to the two regular operating rockers. Toyotas VVT-i system on the other hand is constantly altering the timing by use of physically rotating the cam (on newer engines, both cams) across the majority of the rpm band. Very cool technology, but not similar.

  • @JohnnyRay920
    @JohnnyRay920 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In our 2009 Corolla, this thing makes a loud rattling noise just for a second at startup. Very annoying sound. Toyota dealership claims it's not a problem. I wonder.

  • @MalaysianBoy85
    @MalaysianBoy85 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    the lubricating oil make the cam change it teeth, it will change when the RPM change too.. my brother tell me like that because he works at Toyota factory..

  • @enriqueatala2567
    @enriqueatala2567 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, thanks for your video. One question, I have a 2008 Toyota Corolla with 230,000 km with a manual gearbox. The fault is that when turning on it starts with 1300 rpm and as it heats up they go up to 2000, that is, it is the other way around since I understand it should drop to around 900 rpm. and already hot I go out and when I make the gear changes I see that the rpm oscillate between 2000 and 1000 rpm and when I continue the march the minimum is 2000 rpm. If I leave it running stopped the car stays at 2000 rpm. I clarify that with a scanner it does not give an error. Well we removed the carburetor, total cleaning including the MAF sensor of the filter, to clarify, you cannot remove the IAC valve to clean but the carburetion body was submerged in non-abrasive removing liquids and a lot of dirt came out. We measured TPS and IAC with a multimeter, we simulated with power and everything was fine. We checked the pipes that had never been touched and they were impeccable. We put everything together and it starts making the same failure. We took out the VVT valve, it was cleaned with carburetor fluid and wd40, I have original oil in the car, of 5 original toyota viscosity, I excited the solenoid with 12 volts to the vvt-i and it works well, I don't improve at all either. So I disconnected the EGR vacuum valve and there the rpm's dropped a little but after five seconds it accelerates and when connected it returns to 2000 rpm. If I disconnect the MAF sensor, the fault disappears but the engine idles low between 300 and 500 rpm's and the car loses power at 3000 rpm's and the brake is very hard. You can help me?

  • @ineedstuff8286
    @ineedstuff8286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wait... couldnt you have purchased the 5 star heads to disassemble normally?.. where you crunched on time?

  • @paky66
    @paky66 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are missing a plastic end at the bottom of the spring. If you watch closer, you don't see spring marks on the back of the metal plate (i opened up and fixed a nissan vvt; i might create a video later with it - what was faulty and how to fix it)

  • @Migzc90
    @Migzc90 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have a 2003 rav4. was making a rattling sound on the engine and it sounded like a diesel engine. everyone was sayimg timing belt and guides so i went ahead and changed it. started the car and the same noise. then i removed the VVT and the inside was broken. got a new one and replaced it, started the car and noise was gone. after 3 months, the same noise came back. do you know what is causing the VVT to break?

    • @marthasalazar5478
      @marthasalazar5478 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ?

    • @glasser2819
      @glasser2819 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes, it's 100% a German design built to fail.
      It may be your engine oil PUMP is worn out and not supplying OIL PRESSURE to camshaft head.
      USE THICKER OIL... 20W40 (not a thin 5W20)
      FYI: Mercedes Benz have the EXACT SAME luxurious problem!

  • @qamarabbas9663
    @qamarabbas9663 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you dont know about the purpose of lock then what do you know about the VVT :P Lols

    • @PatonHaus
      @PatonHaus  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The video shows what is inside of a vvt cam gear. I didn’t claim to be an expert in how it works. Thank you for the kind comment.

  • @bt67766
    @bt67766 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That almost looks like a torx plus.

  • @rickjeffjeff
    @rickjeffjeff 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ford is not that fun to buy or drive.Those trucks waste gas.It's funny,the video I'm watching is about a cam rattle and Ford had a similar problem with cam phasers.

  • @AutoBodyEverything
    @AutoBodyEverything 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m looking into locking out my phaser gear in my Nissan and using sn msd box to control timing at top end rather than this mechanical one that can’t hold on to a turbo.

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool, I wonder what kind of metal they use for the seals. Thanks for the comment.

  • @me5g435rg
    @me5g435rg 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    the metal on metal comment not exactly right well not in all vct some have metal seals and springs

  • @CHEPEX1024
    @CHEPEX1024 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2001 lexus is300 my mechanic change the timing belt and seals, he pull it out the vvti gear, now wen we start the engine, engine start with a click noise, he said it's the vvti, so the vvti can be adjusted? And can get that clic noise?

  • @Align700nitro
    @Align700nitro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    first spring and pin is to lock the timing back into retard, the pin will only move out with the correct oil pressure. those yellow plastic are seals to prevent oil escape into other chamber. VVT sprocket are not pulling timing all the time, it's like the Honda V-tec got to do with engine speed and load. Eventually all is controlled by oil pressure. the E-VVT with an electric motor in it is a different story... Great Video!!

  • @nabilwassim965
    @nabilwassim965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Walcome

  • @ssss-df5qz
    @ssss-df5qz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's called a pentalobe, and mulgrips would have sufficed.

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vtec is completely different but I think I see your point.

  • @davidpendleton6781
    @davidpendleton6781 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND .HOW COME PCM WOULD NOT GIVE ME ANY OUT OF TIMING CODES,I KNEW IT WAS VALVE TIMING ,,

  • @whyqu.i.t
    @whyqu.i.t 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Idle pin? Maybe when you're not asking for power and it's just running? Lol

  • @hemoo12345
    @hemoo12345 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I went to Mechanics Some said VVTI
    Some said oil pump
    Some said ADJUSTER ASSY, VALVE LASH
    Some said CHAIN belt
    My question says Is it possible to hang the VVTI and comes This sound (Noise) ?

  • @dbkase3412
    @dbkase3412 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, man. I appreciate the video and your candor! :-P

  • @nafasbaru28
    @nafasbaru28 ปีที่แล้ว

    How many degree vvt open?

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nikon 50mm is a non-zoom prime lens. My video was shot with a zoom lens.

  • @drammensveien1
    @drammensveien1 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    you could make a cut with a thin cut-off disc and use a flat screwdriver. the housing looks like Powder metal? I think the yellow block is oil seals PS fine vid. (-;

  • @Youtubecensoredmyusername
    @Youtubecensoredmyusername 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep that’s IPR I have the set and have never used it bought it by mistake thought it was torx

  • @TheMrStavros
    @TheMrStavros 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    just for history due there is no tool for loose bolts as you already know :) you "bite" the head of the bolt with the vice and you turn the cam.the bolts r loose easily without drilling.the pin is securing the cam to a certain position under 4000 rpms or when there is no oilpressure (for morning start up or for 2much worn out spoket.there is no use for trying to fix the vvti part,some the plate is worn from the spring and you cannot out it in another hole,the bolts r off centered!great video man

  • @NielsJonghmans
    @NielsJonghmans 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Allow me to comment your video:
    - If both camshafts has a cam gear, than we call it a 'dual VVT-i'. It means it adjust the valve timing of the intake and exhaust valves. 'VVT-i' only adjust valve timing of the intake.
    - actually it's the innerside of the cam gear that moves. That innerside (star shape) is fixed to the camshaft. Just saying so nobody misses. It's just because it's clamped between the bench.

  • @Echohb
    @Echohb 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yea but all variable timing engine are "factory-retarded"... That somehow smoothen the idle and keep low rpm torque high... Being somewhere near half the travel angle shown on this piece probably only translate to be right on time with TDC

  • @bobsoft
    @bobsoft 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Security torx. Common on many things like microwave covers.

  • @rizalonia539
    @rizalonia539 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thats timing advance in modern design like in the distributor advancer

  • @Liamautomechanic
    @Liamautomechanic 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    the work bench and vice looks like myine.

  • @Ricerguy
    @Ricerguy 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    the pin locks the vvti incase the oil pressure isn't within spec, which would trigger a check light when the ecu realises the engine isn't doing what its supposed to do under varying circumstances....i'm guessing lol

  • @poldpoldecki7171
    @poldpoldecki7171 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pin locks the system when there is not enoug oil pressure. In example on engine startup.

  • @AngelicaM1988
    @AngelicaM1988 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    some newer toyota dual cam v6 engine are interferance. ive seen a t belt water pump changed and the cam rotated to much at tdc with the belt off and when he was done it had a consistant ticking noise(slightly bent valve). 3mz v6

  • @junroldan8436
    @junroldan8436 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's oil pressure on other side of the pin that pushes against the spring that depends on oil pressure due to the speed of the engine

  • @davegt27
    @davegt27 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try searching Google autoshop 101 dot com for an explanation on VVT-I. Autoshop 101 also has good info on other subjects like direct fire and L-jetronic FI

  • @hmrthebest
    @hmrthebest 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both are right, old MIVEC on 4G69 engine for example is "like" a V-TEC but better, MIVEC on newer 4B11 engine is the same oil controlled VVT-i that Toyota uses but way more better.

  • @PatonHaus
    @PatonHaus  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was a radio playing, same thing.

  • @andrewevanoff1192
    @andrewevanoff1192 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The mechanism looks very simple and pretty much self explanatory. The pin and the opening for it look good. I wonder why the pin fails to lock? Perhaps the spring breaks or something gets stuck in the pin cavity thus restricting or preventing it's movement.
    My wifes 04 Camry (2.4L) has been making this noise for over 100,000 miles. It has 190k on the odometer now. So far it has not caused any issues.

  • @jasonduplin
    @jasonduplin 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a 2003 es 300 that is making a noise when started and is getting worse. I posted it but have not figured out what the problem is.

  • @هلاهلا-س1و4م
    @هلاهلا-س1و4م 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ممكن بالعربي

  • @TheSilentPro
    @TheSilentPro 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not an expert but I am guessing: the removable "pin" you are referring to that locks the gears does exactly that - It locks that adjustable rotation in place when the car doesn't want to use it. The spring seems to help the motion of unlocking and locking. Looking for an experts answer.

  • @kingstarengineering3229
    @kingstarengineering3229 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks

  • @DaOzMan0608
    @DaOzMan0608 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro Honda's K series has VCT(variable cam timing) and the k series comes in basically every sportier honda and acura on the market. So no it would not.

  • @jonathanmurray7831
    @jonathanmurray7831 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As the engine turn the timing changes as rpm go so does the timing changes intake and exhoust

  • @snoopy81
    @snoopy81 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive ,genius for this vvti maker👍👍😁

  • @Ricerguy
    @Ricerguy 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    which would also allow you to correctly set the timing chain when reassembling an overhauled engine aswell. would be a P.I.T.A. to do that and then see the chain moving seperately from the cam during installation o.O