You can really hear the difference between the impact hammering and noise when you change out to the HO battery, that's crazy the difference the HO battery makes.
Excellent Video Brian! These tools look impressive, to say the least! Those CP 3.0 batteries hit the sweet spot for sure. That’s what I keep on my M18 Surge. That combo recently took a dive off the top of a 6 foot stepladder, onto hard concrete floor. I think my heart missed a beat or two! Landed square on the base of the battery, with no ill effects. Whew! I think the price point on the 5.0 amp hour batteries and the availability is why they are offered so much in the kits. Couple years ago I was told by a Milwaukee Rep that the cost to Milwaukee was about 17-18.00 Per battery, to manufacture! 😳🙄. Of course it is probably more like 20-22 now. Of course they make money on the batteries! Big thumbs up! 👍👍👍✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻🇺🇸😁. Stay safe and Healthy!
Nice! I just added a 2" leveling kit on my truck and used an electric impact wrench. That thing is a beast but way too long unless one has a full lift available. These would have made the job much easier. Very appreciated! :)
Hah, just like me. I would not probably use it more than a couple of times a year on my car wheels, but..We just like NICE TOOLS! And I have one new 3.0 HighOutput 18V Battery that anyway gets drained out too fast out of my Milwaukee 18V Router at the workshop..so..
It's all true. Took mine over to rotate the tires on my dad's dually. I brought along a breaker bar just in case, but it wasn't needed. Spun every lug nut like I was in Nascar. That's 32 of them each over 165+ ft/lbs.
That's incredible! Seriously considering this impact wrench for the smaller to medium sized jobs! Only issue might be the fit around the engine bay but I suppose that's being too picky and I can always use universal sockets/adapters to help me get into those tight spots! Nice review!
Almost 4 years later, the just-released M12 stubby is rated at 550/400 ft-lbs. Here's hoping that the new M18 version will come out soon with the same specs.
No surprise -these impacts are the same size as the "stubby", but newer and 18v instead of 12. If anything, I am surprised that they aren't higher torque.
I do small tests each time I get a chance trying to find a solid path to prove they work. So far, I cannot prove that they are worth buying. That is why I have not done something. I know deep well works better over shallow well due to the weight, but deep well compared to the weighted seems equal.
@@WorkshopAddict thank you. I have the same experience with deep well and shallow well so I figured the weighted would be way better. I'm glad I don't need to buy another set of sockets.
If I’m not on the m12 system yet, would you still recommend the stubby over the gen 3 3/8” compact? Going to eventually pair either of these with the gen 2 mid torque 1/2”
The Stubby and the Compact have the same amount of torque. I definitely think its best to go with the Compact if you're already invested in the M18 line up.
I'm debating between getting the m18 3/8 compact (because i already have m18 batterys) and the m12 3/8 stubby for under hood work since I already have the new mid torque for under vehicle work. I think the m12 might be better for tighter areas under the hood due to smaller battery size and lower torque requirements.
i got the detent verion and i can say wow it holds on your sockets but i really wish i got the friction ring.... the detent is not a round ball like most socket tools its like a tapered piece and its difficult to put things on it i usually have to press the detent in the slide the socket or what ever on which is kind of a pain. and to take sockets or what ever off if they have a through hole for the detent i have to get a pick or something that fits to push the detent in to take it off...
I just bought this impact wrench to complement the Gen2 1/2 impact wrench. I will use it for the smaller light weight work and in tight spaces. I figured what the hell since Amazon has a nice sale on them.
So not a tool but a light but HD is running a timed m12 rocket light for 129 with a Xc 4.0 battery till end of today. Have you ever seen it for a better price?
If an M12 tool meets specs with the xc6.0, then it may exceed specs with the xc3.0/xc4.0 as they can supply more amperage, therefore, more power. The XC 6.0 supplies a max of 30A, while the xc3.0/xc4.0 can supply ~45A. Of course, not all tools will be capable of using more current, so it’s not a guarantee they will exceed specs with the XC3/4, just a possibility.
@@ronbeton1999 The 1.5cp and 3.0XC use Samsung INR18650-15M cells with a maximum sustained current of 23A The 2.0cp and 4.0xc use Samsung INR18650-20R cells with a maximum current of 22A The 3.0cp and 6.0xc use Samsung INR18650-30Q cells with a maximum current of 15A The XC batteries have two sets of cells in parallel so they can deliver up to twice the current of a single set of cells (CP models), so double those maximums on the XC packs. The m12 uses 3x 3.6V cells per set, so, nominal 10.8V, but under heavy load that will drop to about 9.6V on fully charged batteries. That makes the maximum power from each as follows: 1.5cp ~9.6V x 23A = 221W 2.0cp ~ 9.6V x 22A = 211W 3.0cp ~ 9.6V x 15A = 144W 3.0xc ~ 9.6V x 46A = 442W 4.0xc ~ 9.6V x 44A = 422W 6.0xc ~ 9.6V x 30A = 288W Note that the max power each tool will actually use depends on the specific tool, the FUEL models are the only ones likely to approach those maximums, and not all FUEL models will utilize the maximum capacity the battery can supply, the maximum will be the lower of what the tool can use or what the battery can supply, and will of course vary depending on the load placed on the tool, and the charge level. Sources: www.samsungsdi.com/lithium-ion-battery/power-devices/power-tool.html www.imrbatteries.com/samsung-30q-18650-3000mah-15a-battery/
Same cells are used in the (non “high output”) M18 batteries, only difference is there are 5 cells per set rather than 3, so they will have 67% more power, however only the M18 XC6.0 (older, relatively uncommon model), and the Hd9.0 use the 15A INR18650-30Q cells. That’s not a significantly limitation in the HD9.0, because with 3 sets of cells, it can supply 45A @ ~ 16V. It is a factor in the XC6.0 since it has just two sets of cells. That probably why the XC5.0 has been much more popular than the XC6.0. The HO models use newer 21700 cells that can supply ~35A per set, so it’s not an issue with any of those batteries. While other battery brands may use different brands of cells, the same limitations generally apply, although the details will vary.
@@ronbeton1999 it really varies. I use a 4.0 on my drill, but a 6.0 on my impact driver, or I might swap those, since I rarely stress them near their maximum. But on a fuel hackzall or circular saw, I would definitely not use a 6.0. Saws are notoriously power hungry. Hammer drills and impact wrenches might also be limited by a 6.0...maybe. 6.0 is great for most other uses.
The M18 has options when it comes to batteries like high output, I really wish Milwaukee would make some high outputs for the M12 which I'm heavily invested in, just like the M18.
Great vid. How does the M12 compare? I haven’t invested in the larger battery models yet so if that form factor works well too then it might be worth a look.
Well that answers that. Thanks for explaining the settings and the auto setting. I thought there was something possibly wrong with this damn thing lol.
The M18 cp3.0 is a high output battery, can supply ~35A vs 23A from the 1.5/2.0. Whether or not these will hit 250ftlb using a 2.0 remains to be seen. The only other M18 battery that is weaker than the cp3.0 HO is the old XC6.0 (not the XC 6.0 HO) which only supplies max 30A sustained. That’s close to what the cp3.0 supplies, so it may hit 250ftlb on these, or maybe not. But it was never very popular, so not a big deal. The xc5.0 and all other M18 XC or HD batteries will easily out perform the cp3.0 HO
For the most part, you are right. 18-volt battery is 18 volt no matter what the Ah. for the most part Ah is runtime, but in some cases Milwaukee has installed larger batteries cells, 21700 rather than 18650. The larger cells can push more amps giving more power. Also, when you have a pack that is 2P, it will push more amps than a 1P compact, so it might have more power.
How does it compare to the Ridgid sub compact ? I still say these guys are going to have to make compact batteries for these that are shorter from to back . Oh I commented before watching and it looks like Milwaukee does have a more compact battery.
I bought the M12 FUEL 3/8" stubby 2 years ago and love it. That being said, would you recommend buying it bare (I'm already on the M18 platform) since I own the 12V version? Also, could you do a performance comparision of the new impact with the M12 FUEL stubby?
@soundretarded hey, i have the M12 Fuel stubby 3/8" impact and the 1/2" version. Nice thing is that if you are already on the M18 platform, then you can also buy M12 tools and batteries since you will already have a multi voltage charger.
Need help....I found your channel through can am x3 videos. I'm a beginner into the m18 world. Need one impact wrench to work on my rig and small projects. M18 stubby or M18 mid torque?
Stubby will do everything on an X3 until you get to tearing down the engine. With that said, IMHO, the X3 has a lot of places that the compact won't fit anyway and where swivels and extensions will be your only choice. So, go with the mid-torque as it will carry over to more uses on your trailer or other items.
Why do you switch from a HO CP3.0, to a 5.0Ah, like it's going to give more power. You're going backwards, from 21700 cells, to 18650 cells. Bigger Ah number, doesn't = more power. It's the cells that make the difference.
When you say power, I assume you mean amps. I do not think so as the 5.0 is a 2P pack where the 3.0 is a 1P pack. The only power difference we can prove is that the 8Ah pack made more power. But we made full spec power on 3Ah packs.
One thing i wish they did on the m18 like they did with the m12 stubby The m12 has this overly thicc grip, the m18 is a yad smaller on the motor housing etc, and the grip feels thinner than normal.
Question, I don't have an impact wrench yet and I don't have a need for really high torque applications at the moment but maybe in the future. I'm currently in both M12 & M18 platforms. What size impact wrench would you get (3/8, 1/2)? Would you do M12 fuel stubby or the new gen 2 compact or mid torque M18 fuel that just came out? I'd like to have the most versatility. I was thinking M12 3/8th stubby and M18 fuel 1/2 mid torque maybe down the road. Having a hard time deciding 😪 Thanks!
IMHO, the best overall first impact would be the M18 Mid Torque if you work on cars and trucks. If you work on smaller items, this new compact is perfect. as far as 1/2" and 3/8", I would go for 1/2" because that is where I think you can get good, inexpensive impact sockets. Are you already invested in impact sockets? If so, what size?
@@WorkshopAddict Zero on impact sockets, have some metric non impact in 3/8th that's it. Just been using my milwaukee 2853 impact driver with a socket adapter and old schooling it by hand 😆
@@shanew7361 Go with 3/8" then. I just look at 3/8" as an in-between that is not super useful. I love my 1/4" impact and my 1/2" models. I rarely use 3/8". everyone is different. I can get 1/2" drive down to 10 mm easily and up to 32mm in a standard (not special order) kit. 3/8" kits are more limited.
I really wish the impact drivers were getting this facelift too would be nice. Also wish instead of having the battery going into the handle the M12s would have a slide on style battery. Those girthy banana level thickness handle really kill the line for me alongside the top heavy balancing.
That’s where they hide a stack of the battery cells. Especially the ones that fit in just the handle with no “base”. But the m12 is all about compact so makes sense for that platform.
Shallow sockets would help get to the max torque also if you want to get picky. Don't believe the ah battery makes a difference as long as it is in good shape and charged. Still puts out the same power, just less time with the smaller ah battery.
@@WorkshopAddict I visit the store today and I saw it also available as M12 battery. I only do tire change and some suspension job. do you recommend I get a M12 or M18 to begin my commitment?
@@WorkshopAddict if you go to home depot's cyber Monday deals, most M12 stuff is on sale which I am going to make a guess that next year a lot of new M12 stuff will be released
@@WorkshopAddict - The M12 tool selection is vast, but a lot of people don't like the fat handles with the battery. I think the only way out is to make something more compact and powerful and instead of pissing off currently M12 users to make them want the new line. Perhaps something like Dewalt Extreme 12V line except in maybe in 18V similar in size to Makita's 18V sub compacts.
More great info and have come to trust your opinion. Thanks for the video and info. I've been in the market for these. I have the 2767 for huge jobs and was looking at these now just have to decide on what to get for the smaller impact... Either the M18 or m12.. I'm deeply in both lines so having a hard time deciding... Smh.. Also the 3/8 or the 1/2 inch... Good grief.. Lol 👍👍
I don't use my M12 stubby much. I will choose this model all day over the M12. I also don't use 3/8" much in an impact. 1/4 and 1/2" are my impact go to sizes. Everyone is different.
I just purchased this in 3/8 it has battery wobble right out of the box.battery and impact are new.had to shim it with duct tape to stop the battery from wobbling. Disappointing for $370 ( impact, battery, charger) yes someone sells a little soap to wrap around battery but we should not have to fix anything on these over priced tools...
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
I just want to chime in and say that the torque value of the 3/8" Milwaukee 2854-20 impact wrench is NOWHERE near the stated 250 ft/lbs! I tried it in the junkyard with a fully charged M18 5.0 and then a 8.0 battery. Its max torque value was about 40 to 50 ft/lbs. I bought mine from Home Depot, and then returned it immediately after I came back from the yard.
18V at 250ftlbs or 12V at 250ftlbs and the 12V has the most mechanic tool selection. I'm more impressed with the 18V 3/8dr mid torque at 600ftlbs/500ftlbs.
Do you have the 3/8" or the 1/2"? I can relate to this too, I own the 1/2" model and it fought trying to take a lug nut off that was gunned down with another impact previously (the lug nut was obviously not gunned down to over 250 ft lbs, which is what these compact impact guns are rated for both loosening and tightening), and since it took so long and made so much noise, it annoyed my neighbors next door and made a dog start barking a couple doors down :/
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You can really hear the difference between the impact hammering and noise when you change out to the HO battery, that's crazy the difference the HO battery makes.
My m12 fuel ratchet(and the non fuel version too) feel like they have like 20% less power with the regular batteries
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Excellent Video Brian! These tools look impressive, to say the least! Those CP 3.0 batteries hit the sweet spot for sure. That’s what I keep on my M18 Surge. That combo recently took a dive off the top of a 6 foot stepladder, onto hard concrete floor. I think my heart missed a beat or two! Landed square on the base of the battery, with no ill effects. Whew! I think the price point on the 5.0 amp hour batteries and the availability is why they are offered so much in the kits. Couple years ago I was told by a Milwaukee Rep that the cost to Milwaukee was about 17-18.00 Per battery, to manufacture! 😳🙄. Of course it is probably more like 20-22 now. Of course they make money on the batteries! Big thumbs up! 👍👍👍✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻🇺🇸😁. Stay safe and Healthy!
Nice! I just added a 2" leveling kit on my truck and used an electric impact wrench.
That thing is a beast but way too long unless one has a full lift available.
These would have made the job much easier.
Very appreciated! :)
Insane little things! So compact yet still very powerful. Can't wait to buy one and just have it there lol
Hah, just like me. I would not probably use it more than a couple of times a year on my car wheels, but..We just like NICE TOOLS! And I have one new 3.0 HighOutput 18V Battery that anyway gets drained out too fast out of my Milwaukee 18V Router at the workshop..so..
Ikr, bought mine two days ago and MAN!!!
@@sizif717 time for a 5 or 6 amp lol
@@SJJsolomonSJJ how good is it
@@mperez2496 Have the 5 and the 8 for the Router.
It's all true. Took mine over to rotate the tires on my dad's dually. I brought along a breaker bar just in case, but it wasn't needed. Spun every lug nut like I was in Nascar. That's 32 of them each over 165+ ft/lbs.
That's incredible! Seriously considering this impact wrench for the smaller to medium sized jobs! Only issue might be the fit around the engine bay but I suppose that's being too picky and I can always use universal sockets/adapters to help me get into those tight spots! Nice review!
I use these for scaffolding and the 3rd setting is amazing to put jobs up and take them down
Pretty impressive them nuts actually hit 250 foot pounds showing it with the torque wrench wow @WorkshopAddict
Imo these are absolutely perfect for working on 4wd’s, haven’t had a problem…
Almost 4 years later, the just-released M12 stubby is rated at 550/400 ft-lbs. Here's hoping that the new M18 version will come out soon with the same specs.
No surprise -these impacts are the same size as the "stubby", but newer and 18v instead of 12. If anything, I am surprised that they aren't higher torque.
Great vid with great demo as always.
I'm sure I'm not the only one wanting to see you test those weighted sockets.
I do small tests each time I get a chance trying to find a solid path to prove they work. So far, I cannot prove that they are worth buying. That is why I have not done something. I know deep well works better over shallow well due to the weight, but deep well compared to the weighted seems equal.
@@WorkshopAddict thank you. I have the same experience with deep well and shallow well so I figured the weighted would be way better. I'm glad I don't need to buy another set of sockets.
Been waiting for this video
If I’m not on the m12 system yet, would you still recommend the stubby over the gen 3 3/8” compact? Going to eventually pair either of these with the gen 2 mid torque 1/2”
Stay M18 and go with the compact!!!!!
The Stubby and the Compact have the same amount of torque. I definitely think its best to go with the Compact if you're already invested in the M18 line up.
I'm debating between getting the m18 3/8 compact (because i already have m18 batterys) and the m12 3/8 stubby for under hood work since I already have the new mid torque for under vehicle work. I think the m12 might be better for tighter areas under the hood due to smaller battery size and lower torque requirements.
The compact on 3/8's and the Mid torque on 1/2' is the perfect combo to have
i got the detent verion and i can say wow it holds on your sockets but i really wish i got the friction ring.... the detent is not a round ball like most socket tools its like a tapered piece and its difficult to put things on it i usually have to press the detent in the slide the socket or what ever on which is kind of a pain. and to take sockets or what ever off if they have a through hole for the detent i have to get a pick or something that fits to push the detent in to take it off...
Just file the detent down. It’s works very well.
I just bought this impact wrench to complement the Gen2 1/2 impact wrench. I will use it for the smaller light weight work and in tight spaces. I figured what the hell since Amazon has a nice sale on them.
So not a tool but a light but HD is running a timed m12 rocket light for 129 with a Xc 4.0 battery till end of today. Have you ever seen it for a better price?
Seems like a good deal.
That is super impressive!!!
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If an M12 tool meets specs with the xc6.0, then it may exceed specs with the xc3.0/xc4.0 as they can supply more amperage, therefore, more power. The XC 6.0 supplies a max of 30A, while the xc3.0/xc4.0 can supply ~45A. Of course, not all tools will be capable of using more current, so it’s not a guarantee they will exceed specs with the XC3/4, just a possibility.
Could you explain this please?
@@ronbeton1999 The 1.5cp and 3.0XC use Samsung INR18650-15M cells with a maximum sustained current of 23A
The 2.0cp and 4.0xc use Samsung INR18650-20R cells with a maximum current of 22A
The 3.0cp and 6.0xc use Samsung INR18650-30Q cells with a maximum current of 15A
The XC batteries have two sets of cells in parallel so they can deliver up to twice the current of a single set of cells (CP models), so double those maximums on the XC packs.
The m12 uses 3x 3.6V cells per set, so, nominal 10.8V, but under heavy load that will drop to about 9.6V on fully charged batteries.
That makes the maximum power from each as follows:
1.5cp ~9.6V x 23A = 221W
2.0cp ~ 9.6V x 22A = 211W
3.0cp ~ 9.6V x 15A = 144W
3.0xc ~ 9.6V x 46A = 442W
4.0xc ~ 9.6V x 44A = 422W
6.0xc ~ 9.6V x 30A = 288W
Note that the max power each tool will actually use depends on the specific tool, the FUEL models are the only ones likely to approach those maximums, and not all FUEL models will utilize the maximum capacity the battery can supply, the maximum will be the lower of what the tool can use or what the battery can supply, and will of course vary depending on the load placed on the tool, and the charge level.
Sources:
www.samsungsdi.com/lithium-ion-battery/power-devices/power-tool.html
www.imrbatteries.com/samsung-30q-18650-3000mah-15a-battery/
Same cells are used in the (non “high output”) M18 batteries, only difference is there are 5 cells per set rather than 3, so they will have 67% more power, however only the M18 XC6.0 (older, relatively uncommon model), and the Hd9.0 use the 15A INR18650-30Q cells. That’s not a significantly limitation in the HD9.0, because with 3 sets of cells, it can supply 45A @ ~ 16V. It is a factor in the XC6.0 since it has just two sets of cells. That probably why the XC5.0 has been much more popular than the XC6.0.
The HO models use newer 21700 cells that can supply ~35A per set, so it’s not an issue with any of those batteries.
While other battery brands may use different brands of cells, the same limitations generally apply, although the details will vary.
@@geoffstrickler wow, awsome info!!! So the 3.0xc and the 4.0xc are the "best" M12 batteries for a Fuel device?
@@ronbeton1999 it really varies. I use a 4.0 on my drill, but a 6.0 on my impact driver, or I might swap those, since I rarely stress them near their maximum. But on a fuel hackzall or circular saw, I would definitely not use a 6.0. Saws are notoriously power hungry. Hammer drills and impact wrenches might also be limited by a 6.0...maybe. 6.0 is great for most other uses.
Nice to see these new models thanks for the video Brian can't wait to get my hands on these for work @WorkshopAddict
So they're rated the same as the M12 Stubby. Would you say this feels like the same power?
No, I would say it has more power. We only were able to get 175 ft-lbs fastening out of the M12.
The M18 has options when it comes to batteries like high output, I really wish Milwaukee would make some high outputs for the M12 which I'm heavily invested in, just like the M18.
Great vid. How does the M12 compare? I haven’t invested in the larger battery models yet so if that form factor works well too then it might be worth a look.
M12 is pretty close. You need the larger batteries in the M12 to make it work.
Or a kit with one 3 Ah and one 6 Ah for light and heavy use.
Well that answers that. Thanks for explaining the settings and the auto setting. I thought there was something possibly wrong with this damn thing lol.
The M18 cp3.0 is a high output battery, can supply ~35A vs 23A from the 1.5/2.0. Whether or not these will hit 250ftlb using a 2.0 remains to be seen. The only other M18 battery that is weaker than the cp3.0 HO is the old XC6.0 (not the XC 6.0 HO) which only supplies max 30A sustained. That’s close to what the cp3.0 supplies, so it may hit 250ftlb on these, or maybe not. But it was never very popular, so not a big deal. The xc5.0 and all other M18 XC or HD batteries will easily out perform the cp3.0 HO
I think any impact on the 2.0 or smaller is not going to hit 250 ft lbs... I always recommend not using compact batteries on impacts.
Right on the money there, Geoff! 👍✌🏻
An 18v battery is 18v regardless of the Ah of the battery. The Ah is the run time not the power. Am I wrong?
For the most part, you are right. 18-volt battery is 18 volt no matter what the Ah. for the most part Ah is runtime, but in some cases Milwaukee has installed larger batteries cells, 21700 rather than 18650. The larger cells can push more amps giving more power. Also, when you have a pack that is 2P, it will push more amps than a 1P compact, so it might have more power.
How does it compare to the Ridgid sub compact ? I still say these guys are going to have to make compact batteries for these that are shorter from to back . Oh I commented before watching and it looks like Milwaukee does have a more compact battery.
This is almost two times the Ridgid Sub-Compact. Much better controls and speeds.
Just bought one!
I bought the M12 FUEL 3/8" stubby 2 years ago and love it. That being said, would you recommend buying it bare (I'm already on the M18 platform) since I own the 12V version? Also, could you do a performance comparision of the new impact with the M12 FUEL stubby?
What did you end up getting?
@soundretarded hey, i have the M12 Fuel stubby 3/8" impact and the 1/2" version. Nice thing is that if you are already on the M18 platform, then you can also buy M12 tools and batteries since you will already have a multi voltage charger.
Need help....I found your channel through can am x3 videos. I'm a beginner into the m18 world. Need one impact wrench to work on my rig and small projects. M18 stubby or M18 mid torque?
Stubby will do everything on an X3 until you get to tearing down the engine. With that said, IMHO, the X3 has a lot of places that the compact won't fit anyway and where swivels and extensions will be your only choice. So, go with the mid-torque as it will carry over to more uses on your trailer or other items.
Why do you switch from a HO CP3.0, to a 5.0Ah, like it's going to give more power. You're going backwards, from 21700 cells, to 18650 cells. Bigger Ah number, doesn't = more power. It's the cells that make the difference.
Do you think the 3.0ah with the 21700 cells is putting out more Power than the 5.0ah with 18650 cells ?? 🤔
When you say power, I assume you mean amps. I do not think so as the 5.0 is a 2P pack where the 3.0 is a 1P pack. The only power difference we can prove is that the 8Ah pack made more power. But we made full spec power on 3Ah packs.
@@WorkshopAddict The tone difference with the 8ah pack installed was substantial. Were the other packs fully charged?
@@ClipSwitchFlashlights You bet they were
I need one, for my workshop 1/2 and 3/8 so witch model is best ???
1/2
Thanks! Nice test!
Is milwaukee making a gen 3 high torque??? Within this year?
Got the 3/8 and the 1/2 for both compact as well as the 3/8 and the 1/2 brand new mid torque coming i can't wait to get to use mine @WorkshopAddict
One thing i wish they did on the m18 like they did with the m12 stubby
The m12 has this overly thicc grip, the m18 is a yad smaller on the motor housing etc, and the grip feels thinner than normal.
I hope your website could accept our order from Taiwan! And give us a few discount.
Question, I don't have an impact wrench yet and I don't have a need for really high torque applications at the moment but maybe in the future.
I'm currently in both M12 & M18 platforms. What size impact wrench would you get (3/8, 1/2)? Would you do M12 fuel stubby or the new gen 2 compact or mid torque M18 fuel that just came out? I'd like to have the most versatility.
I was thinking M12 3/8th stubby and M18 fuel 1/2 mid torque maybe down the road. Having a hard time deciding 😪
Thanks!
IMHO, the best overall first impact would be the M18 Mid Torque if you work on cars and trucks. If you work on smaller items, this new compact is perfect. as far as 1/2" and 3/8", I would go for 1/2" because that is where I think you can get good, inexpensive impact sockets. Are you already invested in impact sockets? If so, what size?
@@WorkshopAddict Zero on impact sockets, have some metric non impact in 3/8th that's it. Just been using my milwaukee 2853 impact driver with a socket adapter and old schooling it by hand 😆
@@shanew7361 I would go 1/2" and get a good set of sunex deep well sockets.
@@WorkshopAddict I've been happy with my sunex 3/8 metric
@@shanew7361 Go with 3/8" then. I just look at 3/8" as an in-between that is not super useful. I love my 1/4" impact and my 1/2" models. I rarely use 3/8". everyone is different. I can get 1/2" drive down to 10 mm easily and up to 32mm in a standard (not special order) kit. 3/8" kits are more limited.
I really wish the impact drivers were getting this facelift too would be nice. Also wish instead of having the battery going into the handle the M12s would have a slide on style battery. Those girthy banana level thickness handle really kill the line for me alongside the top heavy balancing.
That’s where they hide a stack of the battery cells. Especially the ones that fit in just the handle with no “base”. But the m12 is all about compact so makes sense for that platform.
Shallow sockets would help get to the max torque also if you want to get picky.
Don't believe the ah battery makes a difference as long as it is in good shape and charged. Still puts out the same power, just less time with the smaller ah battery.
You're wrong
This new M18 one or the stubby?
I like the M18 better. But that is me.
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I got m18 and m12 stuff I do like the new lights on it! Might just get the new one thanks
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@@apa7611 Happy new year!
So are these like Makita Sub Compacts??
Makitas are smaller and do not have the power these do.
Milwaukee calls them compact class. So they compete with Makita XWT11/14/15. And the compact class M18 wrenches these are replacing.
Please tell us in Newton meter.
What setting to use to put on lug nuts?
Any setting as long as you use a torque wrench to ensure property torque.
Can these be used to remove car wheel lug nuts?
uhhh. What? Hell, I can even remove lug nuts (100ft lb) with the small 1/4 impact driver (2853-20).
Helpful video - thanks
M12 Stubby supper strong # Only Milwaukee 👍🇺🇸✔️
I just wondering better buy a 3/8 or 1/2?
1/2" is my choice because you can get sockets in kits easily from 10mm to 32mm and single sockets up and down in size.
@@WorkshopAddict I visit the store today and I saw it also available as M12 battery. I only do tire change and some suspension job. do you recommend I get a M12 or M18 to begin my commitment?
@@joychung3639 M18
Guessing this would be great for lug nuts on cars
These are badass
They got to get rid of their surplus 5.0 I'm guessing
I am guessing the same thing.
@@WorkshopAddict if you go to home depot's cyber Monday deals, most M12 stuff is on sale which I am going to make a guess that next year a lot of new M12 stuff will be released
Very possible. The m12 line is popular, but if the M18 tools keep coming out like this, it will start to deteriorate the M12 users, IMHO.
@@WorkshopAddict - The M12 tool selection is vast, but a lot of people don't like the fat handles with the battery. I think the only way out is to make something more compact and powerful and instead of pissing off currently M12 users to make them want the new line. Perhaps something like Dewalt Extreme 12V line except in maybe in 18V similar in size to Makita's 18V sub compacts.
Right on Andrew! See my comment above, regarding Milwaukee’s cost to make a 5.0 battery!
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Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching
You should compare the stubby to this...
Look at yesterdays video on the M18 compact. Same bolt used. The Stubby will do about 15 ft-lbs with a 6.0 Ah on that bolt that the m18 compact.
I prefer the pin indent, those hog rings drive me crazy
Everyone has their thing! I am glad they make both!
Guys, translate into Russian - does the 2854 model meet its stated specifications???
More great info and have come to trust your opinion. Thanks for the video and info. I've been in the market for these. I have the 2767 for huge jobs and was looking at these now just have to decide on what to get for the smaller impact... Either the M18 or m12.. I'm deeply in both lines so having a hard time deciding... Smh.. Also the 3/8 or the 1/2 inch... Good grief.. Lol 👍👍
I don't use my M12 stubby much. I will choose this model all day over the M12. I also don't use 3/8" much in an impact. 1/4 and 1/2" are my impact go to sizes. Everyone is different.
I just purchased this in 3/8 it has battery wobble right out of the box.battery and impact are new.had to shim it with duct tape to stop the battery from wobbling. Disappointing for $370 ( impact, battery, charger) yes someone sells a little soap to wrap around battery but we should not have to fix anything on these over priced tools...
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
I love Pittsburgh impact sockets both deep or small.
Combine it with Milwaukee, they are like Batman & Robin
They are the (Dynamic Duos) of impacts..
Currently using the Mid Torque. Now I'm wanting to upgrade after seeing your vid.
Hats off to you guys
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I will be testing the new Mid-Torque soon. That has a 650 off 550 on rating. Much larger than these guys.
@@WorkshopAddict wow, I'm excited. Can't wait to see it in action with you guys.
Lol had to get rid of my Pittsburgh sockets. I couldn’t deal with their size skips. Went sunex instead.
I enjoy my sunex stuff!
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I just want to chime in and say that the torque value of the 3/8" Milwaukee 2854-20 impact wrench is NOWHERE near the stated 250 ft/lbs! I tried it in the junkyard with a fully charged M18 5.0 and then a 8.0 battery. Its max torque value was about 40 to 50 ft/lbs. I bought mine from Home Depot, and then returned it immediately after I came back from the yard.
Not mine, I’ve had it closer to 300 on a brand new 1/2” bolt. Sure it was on level 3?
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18V at 250ftlbs or 12V at 250ftlbs and the 12V has the most mechanic tool selection. I'm more impressed with the 18V 3/8dr mid torque at 600ftlbs/500ftlbs.
The M18 one is overrated. Wouldn't take most the lug nuts off my Grand Cherokee - 130 ft.lbs.
Do you have the 3/8" or the 1/2"? I can relate to this too, I own the 1/2" model and it fought trying to take a lug nut off that was gunned down with another impact previously (the lug nut was obviously not gunned down to over 250 ft lbs, which is what these compact impact guns are rated for both loosening and tightening), and since it took so long and made so much noise, it annoyed my neighbors next door and made a dog start barking a couple doors down :/
Detent ball, to my dismay, only offered on the 1/2. Hog rings suck.