Did the showrunner ever realized in the original how Spike didn't cry when Julia died? How Jet didn't get mad when his wife left him? How Faye just moved on after find her demolished home? How despite living together in the Bebop, each of 'em never work together to deal about their past? These are broken, lonely, and immensely sad people who just gonna continue their life despite their dark past...and the showrunner turn them into Guardians of the Galaxy wannabes. And f**k what they did to Vicious, Gren, and Julia.
I don’t wanna watch it because I knew the ball was gonna get dropped hard…fuck it. They didn’t drop the ball, they fucking threw that shit with the strength of a QB. How bad was Gren though?
@@LpCool19 They made Gren into a drag queen hostess. No former soldier past, no playing the saxophone, no desire to pay back Viscious for his betrayal...yeah, they ruined Gren.
This show was originally about carrying the weight, being an adult and accepting the choices we make but this western version is about never ever carrying the weight, never accepting personal responsibility... oh and very uncomfortable sex dialogue because sex sells :(
@@Hinatachan360 Yeah they were like, "Hmm? A person cruelly experimented on as a POW, who was mercilessly mutilated with gender experimental drugs? TRANS POSITIVE QUEEN YASSSSSSS"
Gotta love the hypocrisy with Faye, how the director said “oh we don’t wanna oversexualize her, and we wanna make her more modern or whatever”, and they fucking double down and give her a post-sex scene where she’s completely naked with another woman, something that neeeever happened in the anime
That's how they always do it. Just like druckmann and tlou series. He stated he wanted to make first female non sexualized,strong,blah blah and then sexualize the character before she even becomes an adult. Then completely oversexualizes both characters in part 2. They are completely full of shit.
As long as you sexualize them in a "feminist" way, it's fine. Now, you may wonder, what's the difference between an empowering display of sexuality and just regular T&A? The world may never know; people whack it to both, I'm sure.
@@cincymutt Pretty sure modern "feminists" don't want any sexual shit involves straight people unless it's shirtless minorities. They push for non straight people getting more attention and straight people get cucked. Don't believe me? Look at the relationships of all the straight dudes in Netflix Bebop
The reason Julia specifically works so well in the anime is coz she's not the centre of attention, you literally get enough glimpses to build a narrative in your head until the end, she's almost a mystery
Not only that, Spike has accepted his 'death' and takes thing as past and memory. In the live-action he's just completely obsessed with the past, to the point it gets annoying.
@@isaacalexander5286 If you want to see a clean show, go watch some polished network stuff. We're watching three regular people talking to each other freely.
@@shivavision8223 Regular people shouldn't interrupt each other either. Don't make excuses for unprofessional behavior when TH-cam is one of their jobs.
That's because Ed is in fact what bounds the team together, and gives them all someone to look after and care for. You don't get it at first because of the extreme awkwardness of the character, but the purpose of Ed is to tie them all into one family. The moment Ed and Ein leave the Bebop, they're all back to their old shells and eventually Spike makes a last move on his own, while Jet and Faye are also getting bitten back by their old demons. That's when you realize how important Ed is in the original show.
I think anyone who plans to make a live action adaptation of anything animated should ask themselves this: What advantage would live action bring? Can't think of an answer? Then clearly you shouldn't be doing this in the first place. Leave animated media alone.
its only about money dude, they don't care if it translate well, Netflix is doing this to get more people sub back or keep people on netflix not everyone has watched the anime
Yeah this is always the issue, if they had a genuine great story to tell, they'd do it as a new franchise entirely. 99% of the time though it's purely just for money and licencing
21:30 what's worse is that Gren didn't WANT to grow breasts, it wasn't apart of his identity, he was FORCE FED drugs and the side effects made him like that and instead they just made them trans and it just feels really disrespectful to the original so they can have another token character.
Interesting fact (check the scripts) the Sub explains as he developed Insomnia in prison and became addicted to a drug, which wrecked his hormones. In the DUB its forced upon him whilst in Prison.
Yeah, just because Gren feels neutral about it after or is fine with himself as is, doesn't make it a consensual or empowering change. If they wanted to skip the war and human experimentation backstory, they could've made him physically intersex. An "unwanted" or unasked for physical attribute that those people "have to" live with. Could've even spun it into a point about non consensual corrective surgeries.
Oh god and you can't get the real actor to get out of character. Can't move to run away or cover your eyes. Just trapped, thinking "Stop acting! NO! You're ruining it! NOoOoOoOoO!"
They certainly butchered the first episode. Didn't watch more than that myself. The whole kiosk scene of the anime was just so good. Hated the casino version which had so many stupid illogicalities.
the opening minutes of the anime is quiet, soulful and melancholic. The netflix show is crass, ugly and full of dialog that makes me wanna barf. Perfectly shows the difference between the anime and netflix
I think with the way that there is nothing new under the sun, and the way intellectual property rights are centralized by capitalism, I think a lot of the best stories have already been told. There are a lot of great anime, shows, movies and music from the last century, way better than what has been made in the last decade.
Hey guys…pretty sure the final church scene in this live action is actually meant to be the church scene from session 5 Ballad of Fallen Angels… this isn’t a defense of the show. I would actually say it makes it all the more worse
One of the most damning things I've heard is just that they didn't want to make it bleak and dystopian. That's... the entire tone of cowboy bebop from beginning to end. Even when it looks nice and pleasant, it's usually to contrast it with the bleakness of the world.
That's because the heart of Cowboy Bebop is the Blues. Specifically, Chicago-style Blues. The Blues are all about dealing with the hand you were dealt, and moving on. That's basically the entire tone of the anime.
Nah, I have to disagree. The whole Bebop team being at the church completely ruined it! In the original it has a lot more gravitas because Spike goes there by himself to rescue Faye (and Jet stubbornly let’s him go alone). There’s a very real dread that he might die and it shows how much of an epic badass Spike is because he’s able to kill an entire syndicate hit squad by himself. In the Netflix bastardization of the same scene, Faye comes in with a corny ass line and kills everyone, saving the day. Spike and team walk out of the church and talk a bit and then Spike goes back in and kills two dudes before fighting Vicious. That was a terrible desecration of Ballad of Fallen angels and is one of the worst things they did with this. In the anime he miraculously survives thanks to the crew and he wakes up, badly injured on the Bebop. In this trash we call a show, he just casually walks up to Jet after being shot out of a window like nothing happened. I was willing to forgive this adaptation for all of its bad decisions if they at least got this episode right but instead they screwed it up worse than I could imagine.
That, and if this remake had survived long enough to finish the job, it would have fucked up the last episode. Spike once again goes off on his own, Jet once again lets him, but this time, when he gets a bad omen about Spike...he ignores it. Jet now understands that Spike isn't in "danger", so to speak; this is what Spike wants. He's a dead man walking, Spike is accepting death, he has no fear of it. So there's a parallel between those two episodes that would obviously be lost now. Because obviously, when you actually have an example of GOOD symbolism, you should fuck it up.
@@BWMagus completely agree with you....the shoot out scene is my favorite from the anime and totally destroys the emotion behind it.....and why merge the ending of the series with episode 5
this is my favorite anime of all time and it caused me physical pain to watch, I watched the first ten minutes and the last five of the last episode and just couldn't comprehend the decisions made in such a short amount of time
I just finished the original series and honestly, it is disappointing to see an iconic anime like Cowboy Bebop get a butchered live action adaptation. The only saving grace I’ll give the Netflix adaptation is that they brought back the original composer of the anime series. Vicious is treated like some corny cartoon villain and Julia is probably the worst out of the changes they did for the adaptation. It’s not the worse adaptation but it’s definitely not the best. There are actually some pretty good anime adaptations, Ruruoni Kenshin, Gintama, the Japanese Death Note movies.
- Julia and Vicious was pure character assassination. Julia was always in the Syndicate and she was always tough, not a kept woman and Vicious was Psychologically abusive never physical. Vicious flaws are obvious but Spike was supposed to have brought him in, Spike created Vicious. - They removed Gren's tragic backstory for camp fetish for no reason. - I'm fine with Spike being called "Fearless", it makes sense, he kept his name after faking his death? That's stupid. - I liked Jet being a dad, he did have a fatherly side to him in the Anime - Everything involving Faye's Backstory sucks, they removed her love story for a cheap lesbian fling and 2 female characters. - WHERE IS LAUGHING BULL!? Hollywood love claiming "Representation" but you completely remove the spiritual centre of the original show involving a Native American? Idiots.
I missed Laughing bull, such a disgrace they removed him. Also, I don't like the change with Jet being a dad, he was fatherly in the anime, but Netflix made it cheesey with him not seeing his daughter and having a cliche ruined marriage, and by doing that they destroyed the point of his episode in the anime where they show how he is responsible for his partner leaving him
While i dont agree that the changes are good but if you like it thats fine. I think jet was already a father, to the crew so all that wasn't needed. And i hate the fearless name because spike is a bounty hunter on the outskirts of nowhere. Its not like he was on tv. He didn't have to change his name. I just didn't like any of this
@@mrblackhouseprez he's in a futuristic setting, a Spike Spiegel becoming a bounty hunter after another Spike Spiegel died not being discovered is just plain silly. He was pretty well known in the Syndicate and the organisation is almost everywhere. It didn't have to be Fearless, but having a different name is totally necessary.
@@bacchiguu86 i agree, they also did vicious dirty, and julietas role was a huge plot twist, i was shocked, i didnt know what to say about Spikes and Julietas relationships in this version, 😳, and as far as the reviews go they say jets actor actually tried to portray his character i bet he is an actual fan of the original,
Spike didn’t die in that first church battle in the anime .when vicious toss him out of the window spike dropped a Grenade and when he landed he imagine going to Julia she start singing but when he woke up on the bebop it was Faye singing. He died later in the season.
@@gamevideography1511 that’s why I was waiting on Alex to step in. He clearly says he loves the animated series,so I thought he would correct him but he didn’t.
Jet: "I didn't know you believed in all that astrological wuwu" Spike: "I got layers. Like nachos." That was the line in the show that came the closest to understanding Bebop. That was spot on.
I love Ed, and I thought most people did too. She's certainly a very different tone from the rest of the crew, but that's totally deliberate. She's kind of the light-hearted soul of the crew, because she's (actually) care-free and doesn't have a traumatic past weighing her down. And she leaves the Bebop with Ein right before the crew starts fracturing and she inevitably becomes as scarred as the rest of them. Ed was right there with Spike as my favorite character.
No traumatic past? Wasn't Ed stuck on Earth, a total wasteland? If anything I think Ed is a survivor and the one that went through the looking glass. Everyone in the show deals with their weight their way, Ed deals with their weight by being care free/crazy, a ''When you worry you make a it double, so why worry be happy'' approach to life. We don't see any of their past but that doesn't mean they haven't been through some stuff like everyone else just Ed deals with their past by staying positive in their dystopian world and that is why I love Ed :P
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299The other three people in the crew had established lives then had them violently ripped away, and are struggling to move on from them. Ed (as far as we know) doesn't have that. Ed is extremely well adapted to the chaotic life she has grown up in, and while that has no doubt shaped her personality, that isn't exactly "trauma" in the same sense. Her past isn't weighing her down, she's free to move forward in her life (which she both literally and metaphorically does when she leaves the Bebop), while the other three are still stuck in their past to varying degrees.
ED in Anime is important part of Bebop help ties everyone together. The part she and Ein left is so emotional and such an impact. But a character like ED wont work in live action for sure.
ED does and can work in live action. What makes Ed eccentric is that she is not emotionally connected with the rest of the crew. While the crew is having serious conversations, Ed continues to be joyful and playful and just having fun. All while the Bebop crew is unphased at her antics. It's that reason that this series screwed up. They made everyone wacky and they made Ed mentally challenged or fake persona.
In the movie, Laughing Bull pretty much tells Spike that he survived all those times he should have died because it was not the time he was fated to die. According to the DUB: *Spike:* If on thing… one atom had given way, then I would be gone. *Laughing Bull:* It was not a good day for you to die. That is all. According to the SUB: *Spike:* If one single atom had given way I would have died. *Laughing Bull:* It was not destined to be your time to die. It’s also made pretty obvious that Spike’s life was tied to the woman he loved. *Spike:* Years ago, back when I was much younger, *I was afraid of nothing. I had not the slightest fear of death.* I was ready to die anytime. *But then I met a special woman. She made me want to go on living.* For the first time, I was afraid of death. A feeling I’d never had before. *Spike:* There once was a tiger striped cat. This cat died a million deaths, revived and lived a million lives, and he was owned by various people who he didn't really care for. *The cat wasn't afraid to die.* Then one day the cat became a stray cat, which meant he was free. *He met a white female cat,* and the two of them spent their days together happily. Well, years passed, and the white cat grew weak and died of old age. The tiger striped cat cried a million times, and then he died too. Except this time, he didn't come back to life.
6:06 Oh no I totally forgot about that. In the Netflix version they never explain that his mind is deteriorating, so when spike stabs him his starts crying for his mommy, and there's no explanation for why he suddenly acts like a little kid the first time he gets hit.
@@chrisprad8325 to see if he has improved at all...and nope not yet. Angry joe acts and critics like he has ownership of the property, he gate keeps. Its a flawed perspective to have.
I don't know what Joe was talking about when he said a lot of people hated Ed in the original, he's the only person I have ever seen come out and say they disliked her. Ed was incredibly popular in the original.
It’s so hard to adapt anime into live action. Anime has a certain style whether it’s cultural difference, there facial expressions or how over the top some characters are.
A good example of how over the top anime can be is blood blockade battlefront season 1 the last battle and how it ends could never been done right by hollywood
Edward was such a strange thing for them to do. Of all the things to tone down when shifting to Live Action she's the one they dialed up. Such a weird choice. I feel like the writers / producers, were afraid of making the show "too dark" or "too downtrodden" so they did all that bad writing. It reflects Hollywood not having faith that consumer can enjoy a sad or melancholic story.
Have watched the anime for at least 5 times already. I was not able to get pass episode 3 in this Live Action adaptation. It was unbearable. Congrats for those who like it and my condolence to the anime fans who are expecting something better.
I got through the first episode and was kind of mortified by it. Then a couple of episodes in it was... well, less bad.. for a bit. And then it became the worst thing I have ever seen.
It's weird because Gren wasn't even trans. He's a dude suffering from gynecomastia (men growing breasts that's normal from taking steroids or other drugs) due to years of being experimented on while in prison. Sure, he said to Faye that having sexual relations with women is not his style but it doesn't imply anything solid about his gender. He may be gay or asexual or whatever. Turning him into a trans hostess was so off-character and just screams "forced representation".
It reflects everything that is wrong with these "adaptations". These corporate suites, who are constantly creating this mess, don't understand anything about the characters or their history. These people are as two-dimensional as the screen their soulless creations are projected against. It is only about superficial appearance and messaging. People (you know who) only have to look empowered, but we can't see them earn it. All of their garbage screams that their creators are intellectually, morally, and emotionally bankrupt. The best they can do is cheaply ripoff established IP for their own enrichment. I always have to think about Morgoth from the Lord of the Rings who was powerful but empty. He couldn't create anything of beauty by himself, so he twisted other things into a sad shadow of itself.
Hes not trans doe? Not in the va he’s non binary i think. And nah gren in the anime definitely was fucking dudes in that city. Only person with a pair of tits in a mining world full of men. But everything else they did with gren was absolutely retarded. However cowboy bebop is known for its representation so if they had made the gren character its own character that would’ve fit
The only thing that's great in this is Mustafa Shakir's portrayal of Jet. His voice imitation is a dead ringer for the English voice actor from the anime, and I know that he did watch the anime, but you can see that he actually adapted Jet's mannerisms as well. Something that all good actors should do, but most don't. Even his bald head looks like the same shape hehe. As much as I love John Cho, I was so sure he could not pull it off when I heard he was cast. However, I feel like he did a good job for the first 15 or 20 minutes when they were really trying to look like the anime. But then the writers kept writing him farther and farther away from the original character. Seeing what he did, I think if the writers had done right, he would have been able to pull Spike off the whole way through. This being my very favorite all time anime that I've watched probably over 30 times over the decades, I am livid at what they did to Faye, Vicious, Julia, Gren, Mad Pierrot (who was totally awesome in the anime!), taking the comedy out of the Teddy bomber and not having Andy there for him....and those last few minutes with Ed....omg.... please please don't do a 2nd season. I felt so depressed by the time it was over.
I can't speak on his acting or his performance as Jet but what I have a problem with is jet in the live action is darker than Jet in the anime that's what I have a problem with
I disagree completely. The guy is terrible as jet and as an actor. Hell, they all are terrible, but with dialogue written by a 12 year old, who can blame them.
Badass Chad Vicious: "you're trembling..." Dollar Tree Virgin Vicious: "MoShI mOsHi?" God, I hated that line and scene so much, I had to walk away from my TV.
I have to guess that they realize it eventually, but the church fight is only halfway through the original bebop. Neither spike nor vicious die at that fight in the original either. The rest of the show is still pretty garbage, but that part they are complaining about isn't accurate. Clearly they were only doing half the show, and were planning on doing the other half in season 2
You can’t do the second half of the anime after introducing Julia like that. The live action just did a half assed amalgamation of both the church and final confrontations. I don’t blame Joe and Alex not making the distinction.
100 percent agreed I think they got confused here but still season 2 will be completely different now I'm not gonna watch season 2 I'm gonna go watch the original to wash this bad taste out.
@@heisenberggutenberg95 I mean I wouldn't mind a CGI Garrus to fawn over as long as he keeps his original voice. I mean half of his face already... you know.
I personally liked Ed in the original and know that Ed can be done correctly in a live action based on what the top cosplays of her have been over the last 20 years = ). Those cosplayers talked and moved exactly like Ed did and it worked ^_^.
Desirable women are politically incorrect in China because of the results of the one child policy. It is dangerous to get that many men all hopped up on testosterone.
Cosplays are one thing, series and interpretations are another. Just because a cosplay works in a picture or a segment of a few seconds, it doesn't mean it will translate correctly to a SERIES, knowing what all that implies.
@@Facundogiu92 just because you think it can’t work doesn’t mean it couldn’t, see how dismissive and pointless that was? Add some substance instead baseless assertions bruv
Ed ruined the original anime? I thought Ed was a gem in anime. She's just such a god damn weirdo that marches to the beat of her own drum. Its great. Live action Ed on the other hand answers the question of what if the word cringe was a person?
That shroom episode with Ed and Ein remains one my favorites ever. Right there with the fridge one. So many gems they could have fleshed out rather than giving more screen time to boring syndicate plots and butchering Vicious and Julia.
Joe you confused Vicious Vs Spike in episode 6 with the final confrontation, in Ballads Spike and and Vicious battle each other in the church in front of the iconic window, Vicious grabs spike by the head and throws him through the stain glass window, instead of what happened in the live action where Julia is somehow involved and turns on them both
If you go in with low expectations, you'll be fine. Spike and Jets banter is the highlight of the show. Making Vicious a moustache twirling villain, instead of an ambiguous force of nature, was a really bad idea. Could have picked a better actor, for spike. Buuut, this is what we got. And us Bebop fans? We already know. Whatever happens, happens.
If I expect trash I just won't watch it. So that logic always bothers me. "If you expect to be miserable while you watch it , you'll find it sub par but watchably bad". they 100% failed fans for that to be the requirement to watch. They need to just stop. Netflix is batting a 7-15% success rate on adaptations... just stop...
@@KlintKaras Try be positive matey. This attracts attention to the anime, people who have never heard of it, may decide to watch it. Anime isn't something everyone watches. This sort of exposure can introduce people to something better, if they enjoy the live action. Stop being so negative man. Good things come to those who carry that weight.
@@samsherrington7423 By that logic, Dragon Ball Evolution was a good thing because it exposed people to the anime. Get the fuck out of here. Netflix should've just re-aired the anime. Making a live action adaptation was arbitrary.
Will there be any more of OJ's bad movie reviews? I was really excited to see OJ get his own review series and to see more of it, but there hasn't been one in a long time
Wait…that host/hostess was GREN?!?! How do you take one of the most tragic and interesting characters in the anime and reduce him to gay blackface? Oh my god…
Because "muh diversity!" Honestly, the rise of the gender identity movement was really one of the worst things to ever happen to modern American culture.
@@Jhayzer021 which is absolutely terrible. They had the PERFECT foundation to update his character in a respectful way since not only was he interesting but he was technically non-binary or trans in the show (he claimed to be both a man and woman and neither). Instead his personality is “i dress like this, honey” and nothing more…it’s insulting to fans and to people in the LGBT who deserve good characters and not caricatures
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"Hey Jet, did you know that there are four things that I hate? Rugrats, beasts, tomboys, and live action anime adaptations..." "Oh?" "Don't give me that, why do we have all four neatly gathered together in this series?!" Damn, hearing how they are all friendly and immediately form a "Team" seems to me like it misses the whole point of Bebop. It's the jazz, man. The harmony formed by seemingly discordant notes when played in certain sequences. (Broken people finding comfort together) I won't say Ed, Ein, or Faye were my favorite characters, but man, the egg eating scene in the original really broke me, how these two men (Jet and Spike) who had become accustomed to the fact that they had lost everything are getting angry at each other and four bowls of eggs because they can't admit that they may have regained some of those bonds they had lost but let them slip away due to their own stubbornness...
I have never seen the anime, and I suspected something was weird when they made Faye a lesbian, not that there’s anything wrong with it. It just felt pushed and sudden. Putting the political agenda controversy aside, I thought it was okay. Then after I read all the reviews from fans of the anime, I understood their anger and rightfully so. Julia went from love to hate of spike in 10mins?!?
It makes absolutely no sense. Feels like a 12 year old wrote that scene. What's worse, they use the original sentence ("You're gonna carry that weight") on an episode where it makes completely no sense, one that had nothing to do with the anime (Episode 9, the one with past Vicious and Spike being friends). That screams dumb and missing the point.
I liked that Idea of having assassin code names. Cause Viscous is a stupid name if its not a code name and if he had a code name, all the top agents should have one. Only thing is they should have giving Juila one and introduced more agents.
@@mr.a-list1272 Are you high??? "Lets make FATE ITSELF A KILLABLE CHARACTER, because after FF15 we think can make a BETTER story than FF7" You are dead wrong.
I watched Cowboy Bebop for the first time last year after 20 years of realising how special it had become to others and worrying if it would be an anti-climax to see it nowadays. it was amazing. I really got invested in the story and understand now why it's so revered. The music, the stories, the visuals. So watching this live-action show now.....I don't like it at all and doesn't represent what I value from the anime. While the creators may say it's a departure from the original with their unique take, that doesn't mean we have to enjoy it. It's more like it could come across as "Stories from the Cowboy Bebop Universe" or maybe some time travel shenaigans caused the reality of the live-aitmation show. In any case, I liked both of your videos covering the new series and fully agree with you - its poor. The anime remains in our hearts untarnished and untouchable and at least that won't ever change.
Glad you saw the anime. It’s one of my favorite works of fiction in general. The Netflix adaptation? Hot flaming garbage. It’s worse because I feel like they had the right cast for this but just gave them terrible lines along with unnecessary and stupid backstories. Their changes were all for the worse and it burns because if they had done better with the cast they have it could be phenomenal! It’s very apparent the show runners completely missed the point of the anime along with its themes, style and messaging. Instead, it feels like they didn’t even watch the anime and just read a synopsis of it online.
I watched Cowboy Bebop when it premiered in 2001. It's a cultural monument to the era of Chicago Blues that was a huge part of my family, now long gone, so it's always been such a personal thing for me.
It's like even Netflix knew this was going to be bad, because they literally added the anime a month prior to the live action coming out. This was better promotion for the anime.
Episode 10 of the live action series covers episodes 12 & 13 of the anime those two episodes are titled Jupiter Jazz parts 1&2, I can tell you EXACTLY where this series is going in season two I believe the writers have the AUDACITY to give Vicious a REDEMPTION ARC by having Vicious & Spike set aside their differences to fight Julia.
I appreciate knowing that you are true, old school fans of one of the greatest works of art in anime form. I'm glad to know that we share the same opinion of this hot pile of garbage that they had the audacity to call Cowboy Bebop.
My favorite episode in the anime is "Pierrot Le Fou". I liked that it was just its own standalone episode that really didn't connect the overall story at all. I don't think it needed to and the live action version proved it. The fact that Pierrot went from some crazy maniac with the mind of child to a soldier Vicious broke out of containment from so that he could send him off to kill Spike was stupid. It didn't need to be connected in any way to Vicious. It makes the last scene with Pierrot less effective because he's crying and calling out for his mommy for no reason. They don't explain anything about him having the mind of a child so what was the point of him reverting to a child-like state? Also, they did my boy Ein dirty leaving him on the planet as they flew away because he had a connection to Pierrot. What's special about Ein in the anime is he's a smart data dog but everyone just thinks he's a regular dog.
Spike nor Vicious die at the church scene. This is only mid season for the live action like it was in the anime. In the anime Julia is never even at the church, Spike and Vicious fight and both get wounded. Spike is thrown from the Stain glass but drops a grenade to kill Vicious so it left it wonder if they both survived that which they did. That was there mid season fights half way through the anime. The part your talking about is the last episode where Spike goes to the Red Dragon HQ to kill Vicious after Julia gets killed.
Wow. Would be awesome if they tried to revive Firefly. The biggest issue with it is that the writer burned a ton of bridges in the industry, so pretty sure it would be about Netflix forcing their hands to grab the IP and butcher it with no remorse.
Hilarious when Alex was talking about the dog napper and just outright stated about Netflix "if they're not going to think about this shit than neither am I" 😂 Also Joe's Ed impression fucking killed me 🤣
"They don't have material left to ruin in season 2" - Is Joe not aware of the movie? Ed directly references it with the "job" he tells spike about in the final scene. Though I doubt this will ever get a season 2
@9:28 hey Joe I think you're getting the cowboy Bebop episode ballad of fallen Angels mixed up with the last episode of Bebop. In the original cowboy Bebop episode 5 ballad of fallen Angels Spike confronts Vicious in the church just like the live action Netflix series. But instead of a Valentine being captured by the syndicate, they have spike and jet captured, and Fay Valentine saves them. Kind of stupid.
the last episode of the show is not actually the last episode of the anime but the fifth one, where instead of Julia shooting him through the stained glass it's vicious throwing him and spike leaving a grenade in exchange. and the next scene is him all bandaged up from head to toe inside bebop
The issue is even though the church battle originally took place in the 5th episode of the anime, the storyline about Vicious killing the elders happened in episode 25 of the anime. Not to mention that in changing Gren's backstory, they've made remaking the episodes about Gren/Vicious being in the army together impossible. The show has done things in such a weird order that they've still essentially burned through the entire Syndicate story arc from the original.
I watched the trailer for the live action a while ago, decided it was time to watch the anime before having my vision of it sullied. This was awesome to watch just as a semi-review of the anime
I never got the impression that the bebop crew were friends in the anime. They were together for selfish reasons. It was reluctant comraderie, another thing this new adaption seems to have missed.
Really? I felt that Spike and Jet clearly cared for eachother. Almost like a brother type bond. And Faye clearly cares a lot for spike. Spike just usually acts indifferent in the anime, but he does care about Faye and jet. He’s just emotionally distant because of his own baggage and he just has a very aloof and nonchalant personality.
At the very least, I'm not sure how you could watch the show and not think that Faye is extremely emotionally attached to Spike, especially in the LeFou episode, and Real Folk Blues.
At least Jet cares about Ed, because he could have asked for money but instead asked for the chess master to be spared so Ed can have fun for a little longer. Edit: and do you think Jet and Spike really went through so much trouble to get a video tape player for money? I think they did it for Faye but never said that out loud.
Angry Joe you got the Amine's Spike's battle against Vicious all wrong, the church battle scene is way before the last battle were Spike dies (mid season). He gets shot a few times on the way up to Vicious to destroy the Syndicate.
I can't thank you guys enough for taking this one for the team... Because this Bebop you're reviewing sure ain't what I remember.... I just rewatched Folk Blues 1 and 2 for good measure....., still such an epic ending.... YEAHHHH ‼️ Anime Bebop is still the shit!! See you space cowboys! 😁
Arcane? Castlevania?, Cobra kai?, Money Heist, The Umbrella Academy? they only fuck up when it comes to animes coming to real life which it really shouldn't, as you can see no other company is even trying it because they know they will mess up.
@@KillerBee300 i didn't feel the need to explain that anime adaptations are what they fuck up on castlevania was incredible and they picked up cobra kai from youtube didn't they
So I never watched the anime. And I thought the live action was rough. But entertaining. Now hearing the die hards. And you guys talk about it. I realize this is a Star Wars the new movies situation for me. Hearing all the bad writing and stuff. I can understand why it’s so reviled. And the Ed? Yea. When the show ended I don’t t know. I was like whoa. I don’t want more that character at all. I’ll be starting watching the anime this week. So at least it got me interested watching that.
What did I say!!! If it ain't broke, don't fix It!!! 🙄🙄😡 The Original anime was fine and did not need a live action version. Those goons saying give it a chance.. get our of here with that. I'll stick with the original and never watch this abomination of a series Which disrespects the source material 💯💯
@@samsherrington7423 kindly keep your mouth shut because you clearly never watched the original, and if you did, then you never cared about the series in the first place.
someone for the love of god tell me what the fuck spike is supposed to do now that julia shot him. like doesn't he just lose all character motivation now?
@@viviennewestwoodruinedmylife That is a change i couldnt have given two fucks about. It’s like someone taking away your Ford Mustang and replacing it with a Chevy Vega and the only thing your mad about is the paint job.
For Julia's character in the original, getting away from the Syndicate and managing to survive solo on her own for 3+ years was badass enough. Can't get more empowered than that. How does this live action crap even work? This giant syndicate will just randomly take up the ex-bar singer with zero status within their hierarchy structure as their new leader? They'd kill her in five minutes. Spike is who he is because he fell for this woman who was larger than life and intrinsically good like him despite the background they both came from, committed to him in the same way he was to her, and putting everything on the line for him. It defines his character. If he is pining for some opportunistic, half-wit damsel who leeches off the men in her life for power then that takes a lot away from who he is and his character judgement.
Bottom line is... Netflix should have just funded the original creator and crew to make new episodes of the original anime. It would have been a much better use of money. They already had the original creator on board for THIS, and they bought rights to show the original anime... so why not take the low hanging fruit and invest in a proven product?
The original anime had ended on a perfect note.All the main characters’ story ark were well developed and concluded. Adding anything new after spike’s death is just watering down the legacy. However, they should use the money to remaster the anime series with upgraded CG scenery and ships just like the ones in the show. Those are some of the best CGs in a SiFi TV series, and the beautiful ships of Cowboy Bebop deserve it.
the way the scenery works at the end of cowboy bebop, you cant even argue that he doesnt die. there this same symbolic than in sympathy for devil. when the "kid" dies, there is this camera panning to the sky, this mystical music, the shooting star, a kinda metaphor for the soul escaping. all of symbolic comes back for the final scene, even to the final "you are going to carry that weight" replacing the usual "see you space cowboy".
Here's the problem that emblematic of the whole series, they tone down Faye's character to Bro-Chick that's redundant then they turn up Ed to 11. Somewhere Jar Jar Binks is laughing 'Mesa don't looky so bad now do mesa.'
13:24 Ed was the only reason (beside Spike) that I had to watch the anime. Ed's intelligence & randomness made him/her unique. 14:17 Ed isn't from Earth Joe? 🤔
He has two fights with vicious one was a failure the last fight with vicious results in his death. Spike dies the creator wanted to show as you said what happens when you stay for too long in the past. Every character moves on but he decides to go back to his past
Ed looks and acts the same they have always been annoying for some but I love it. As long as they get to hack peoples powerful shit and make them look stupid . Ed is fine.
Did the showrunner ever realized in the original how Spike didn't cry when Julia died? How Jet didn't get mad when his wife left him? How Faye just moved on after find her demolished home? How despite living together in the Bebop, each of 'em never work together to deal about their past?
These are broken, lonely, and immensely sad people who just gonna continue their life despite their dark past...and the showrunner turn them into Guardians of the Galaxy wannabes.
And f**k what they did to Vicious, Gren, and Julia.
I don’t wanna watch it because I knew the ball was gonna get dropped hard…fuck it. They didn’t drop the ball, they fucking threw that shit with the strength of a QB. How bad was Gren though?
@@LpCool19 They made Gren into a drag queen hostess. No former soldier past, no playing the saxophone, no desire to pay back Viscious for his betrayal...yeah, they ruined Gren.
This show was originally about carrying the weight, being an adult and accepting the choices we make but this western version is about never ever carrying the weight, never accepting personal responsibility... oh and very uncomfortable sex dialogue because sex sells :(
@@Hinatachan360 Yeah they were like, "Hmm? A person cruelly experimented on as a POW, who was mercilessly mutilated with gender experimental drugs? TRANS POSITIVE QUEEN YASSSSSSS"
It's probably more like Firefly than the original anime.
Gotta love the hypocrisy with Faye, how the director said “oh we don’t wanna oversexualize her, and we wanna make her more modern or whatever”, and they fucking double down and give her a post-sex scene where she’s completely naked with another woman, something that neeeever happened in the anime
Shirtless dudes, remember and having trans wear sexy looking outfits...not sexy for most people
That's how they always do it. Just like druckmann and tlou series. He stated he wanted to make first female non sexualized,strong,blah blah and then sexualize the character before she even becomes an adult. Then completely oversexualizes both characters in part 2. They are completely full of shit.
Thank God that I decided to skip this thrash.
As long as you sexualize them in a "feminist" way, it's fine. Now, you may wonder, what's the difference between an empowering display of sexuality and just regular T&A? The world may never know; people whack it to both, I'm sure.
@@cincymutt Pretty sure modern "feminists" don't want any sexual shit involves straight people unless it's shirtless minorities. They push for non straight people getting more attention and straight people get cucked. Don't believe me? Look at the relationships of all the straight dudes in Netflix Bebop
The reason Julia specifically works so well in the anime is coz she's not the centre of attention, you literally get enough glimpses to build a narrative in your head until the end, she's almost a mystery
same with Vicious
@@denzoThirteenEleven true, though his character is easier to discern in the anime, how they got it so damn wrong here just perplexes me
Not only that, Spike has accepted his 'death' and takes thing as past and memory. In the live-action he's just completely obsessed with the past, to the point it gets annoying.
@@gabeux he was always obsessed in the anime. It was just better done. He has all the hall marks of a high functioning depressive
Vicious and Julia are exactly as Spike remembers them - that was the point - they're phantoms of Spike's past.
OJ trying to piss off Joe by saying “Fearless” over and over again is such best friend energy 😂😂.
It's payback for all those times Joe interrupted him. lol
@@isaacalexander5286 If you want to see a clean show, go watch some polished network stuff. We're watching three regular people talking to each other freely.
It’s deep and symbolic because this character does not deserve to be called Spike Spiegel.
@@shivavision8223 🤣🤣🤣
@@shivavision8223 Regular people shouldn't interrupt each other either. Don't make excuses for unprofessional behavior when TH-cam is one of their jobs.
We should stop calling things like this "adaptations", they are "bastardizations", and should be called as such...
I'm applying bastardization to 'adaptation' & sequel sequels hence forth!
Sad it's the truth though.
was the Witcher series on netflix a "bastardization" too?
Netflix couldn't even give geralt his iconic two swords. Yes, it's a nonsensical bastardization also [not simply b/c the swords]
Bastards!
@@raidermaxx2324 Yes it was... ;)
Ed is probably one of the most beloved characters in the anime according to the community... Her goodbye episode was emotional.
They completely messed up and perverted Faye's very bittersweet and emotional origin. Imagine what Ed's will be like... uggg.
That's because Ed is in fact what bounds the team together, and gives them all someone to look after and care for. You don't get it at first because of the extreme awkwardness of the character, but the purpose of Ed is to tie them all into one family. The moment Ed and Ein leave the Bebop, they're all back to their old shells and eventually Spike makes a last move on his own, while Jet and Faye are also getting bitten back by their old demons. That's when you realize how important Ed is in the original show.
These guys don't know the anime either
Well, not anymore lol
Jet: Thats blackmail
Yes Jet you are black and male
They made him black for that joke 💀
Well, I'm sure they weren't opposed to the additional points from the Twatter crowd either ^^
I'm glad I missed that
Welcome to Hollywood
Just shows how racist that is
And he had to dance on screen... -_-
I think anyone who plans to make a live action adaptation of anything animated should ask themselves this: What advantage would live action bring? Can't think of an answer? Then clearly you shouldn't be doing this in the first place. Leave animated media alone.
I give you one counter point: am I going to make money on this? Hell yeah!? Then screw everything else.
its only about money dude, they don't care if it translate well, Netflix is doing this to get more people sub back or keep people on netflix
not everyone has watched the anime
Yeah this is always the issue, if they had a genuine great story to tell, they'd do it as a new franchise entirely.
99% of the time though it's purely just for money and licencing
Especially considering the sheer amount of work that goes into anime, the attention to literally every single detail
Gimme moneyyyyy
21:30 what's worse is that Gren didn't WANT to grow breasts, it wasn't apart of his identity, he was FORCE FED drugs and the side effects made him like that and instead they just made them trans and it just feels really disrespectful to the original so they can have another token character.
Interesting fact (check the scripts) the Sub explains as he developed Insomnia in prison and became addicted to a drug, which wrecked his hormones. In the DUB its forced upon him whilst in Prison.
@@walt_man Watanabe prefers the dub over the sub for cowboy bebop.
@@summ.3433 as someone who usually watches anime subbed, I too prefer the dub over the sub.
@@summ.3433 thats a thing someone said, theres no evidence that he actually said that fyi
Yeah, just because Gren feels neutral about it after or is fine with himself as is, doesn't make it a consensual or empowering change. If they wanted to skip the war and human experimentation backstory, they could've made him physically intersex. An "unwanted" or unasked for physical attribute that those people "have to" live with. Could've even spun it into a point about non consensual corrective surgeries.
I GENUINELY didn't realize that Anna's hostess was supposed to be Gren until now. Dear god lol
Ya I didn't catch that either. I am just going to assume green is a common enough name that bar manager has it too
That bad huh? Geez
@@alexsilva28 Yeah.... Gren looks... terrible.
Live Action Ed is my sleep paralysis demon
Oh god and you can't get the real actor to get out of character. Can't move to run away or cover your eyes. Just trapped, thinking "Stop acting! NO! You're ruining it! NOoOoOoOoO!"
I feel this lol
after seeing that shit once, it haunts your dreams forever dude
I only saw the clip once online, cried myself to sleep
Good one 😂
Gotta be honest. Made it two minutes into the series, then I just started watching the anime again 🤣
The sane response.
They certainly butchered the first episode. Didn't watch more than that myself. The whole kiosk scene of the anime was just so good. Hated the casino version which had so many stupid illogicalities.
Exactly 💯💯
the opening minutes of the anime is quiet, soulful and melancholic. The netflix show is crass, ugly and full of dialog that makes me wanna barf.
Perfectly shows the difference between the anime and netflix
I think with the way that there is nothing new under the sun, and the way intellectual property rights are centralized by capitalism, I think a lot of the best stories have already been told.
There are a lot of great anime, shows, movies and music from the last century, way better than what has been made in the last decade.
Hey guys…pretty sure the final church scene in this live action is actually meant to be the church scene from session 5 Ballad of Fallen Angels… this isn’t a defense of the show. I would actually say it makes it all the more worse
Thought I was going crazy. Yeah spike doesn't die falling out of the church. It is surprising but in the anime he lives too.
Yes. But at the same point Vicious taking control of the Syndicate happened in the 2nd to last episode.
@@coltonpiper6156 a lack of consistently is pretty pair for them lol. Well outside being consistently of beat
One of the most damning things I've heard is just that they didn't want to make it bleak and dystopian. That's... the entire tone of cowboy bebop from beginning to end. Even when it looks nice and pleasant, it's usually to contrast it with the bleakness of the world.
That's because the heart of Cowboy Bebop is the Blues. Specifically, Chicago-style Blues. The Blues are all about dealing with the hand you were dealt, and moving on. That's basically the entire tone of the anime.
Nah, I have to disagree. The whole Bebop team being at the church completely ruined it! In the original it has a lot more gravitas because Spike goes there by himself to rescue Faye (and Jet stubbornly let’s him go alone). There’s a very real dread that he might die and it shows how much of an epic badass Spike is because he’s able to kill an entire syndicate hit squad by himself. In the Netflix bastardization of the same scene, Faye comes in with a corny ass line and kills everyone, saving the day. Spike and team walk out of the church and talk a bit and then Spike goes back in and kills two dudes before fighting Vicious. That was a terrible desecration of Ballad of Fallen angels and is one of the worst things they did with this. In the anime he miraculously survives thanks to the crew and he wakes up, badly injured on the Bebop. In this trash we call a show, he just casually walks up to Jet after being shot out of a window like nothing happened. I was willing to forgive this adaptation for all of its bad decisions if they at least got this episode right but instead they screwed it up worse than I could imagine.
That, and if this remake had survived long enough to finish the job, it would have fucked up the last episode. Spike once again goes off on his own, Jet once again lets him, but this time, when he gets a bad omen about Spike...he ignores it. Jet now understands that Spike isn't in "danger", so to speak; this is what Spike wants. He's a dead man walking, Spike is accepting death, he has no fear of it. So there's a parallel between those two episodes that would obviously be lost now. Because obviously, when you actually have an example of GOOD symbolism, you should fuck it up.
@@BWMagus completely agree with you....the shoot out scene is my favorite from the anime and totally destroys the emotion behind it.....and why merge the ending of the series with episode 5
this is my favorite anime of all time and it caused me physical pain to watch, I watched the first ten minutes and the last five of the last episode and just couldn't comprehend the decisions made in such a short amount of time
I drink hard booze sparingly... this adaptation made me drink an entire 375ml of Jack.... like damn it just got worse with the each glass...
I just finished the original series and honestly, it is disappointing to see an iconic anime like Cowboy Bebop get a butchered live action adaptation. The only saving grace I’ll give the Netflix adaptation is that they brought back the original composer of the anime series. Vicious is treated like some corny cartoon villain and Julia is probably the worst out of the changes they did for the adaptation. It’s not the worse adaptation but it’s definitely not the best. There are actually some pretty good anime adaptations, Ruruoni Kenshin, Gintama, the Japanese Death Note movies.
I liked the show, but to add on to your list of good adaptations, the live action Bleach movie was pretty good too
It's not a true adaptation if they already destroyed the heart of the story.
@@argomancha Surpsringly YES, it felt like a good Superhero movie like the original Spiderman
Saw who played Fey and Viscous and immediately knew this was a no. Nothing against the actors but they do not fit.
"JUST" Finished? Lol.
- Julia and Vicious was pure character assassination. Julia was always in the Syndicate and she was always tough, not a kept woman and Vicious was Psychologically abusive never physical. Vicious flaws are obvious but Spike was supposed to have brought him in, Spike created Vicious.
- They removed Gren's tragic backstory for camp fetish for no reason.
- I'm fine with Spike being called "Fearless", it makes sense, he kept his name after faking his death? That's stupid.
- I liked Jet being a dad, he did have a fatherly side to him in the Anime
- Everything involving Faye's Backstory sucks, they removed her love story for a cheap lesbian fling and 2 female characters.
- WHERE IS LAUGHING BULL!? Hollywood love claiming "Representation" but you completely remove the spiritual centre of the original show involving a Native American? Idiots.
I missed Laughing bull, such a disgrace they removed him. Also, I don't like the change with Jet being a dad, he was fatherly in the anime, but Netflix made it cheesey with him not seeing his daughter and having a cliche ruined marriage, and by doing that they destroyed the point of his episode in the anime where they show how he is responsible for his partner leaving him
While i dont agree that the changes are good but if you like it thats fine. I think jet was already a father, to the crew so all that wasn't needed. And i hate the fearless name because spike is a bounty hunter on the outskirts of nowhere. Its not like he was on tv. He didn't have to change his name. I just didn't like any of this
@@mrblackhouseprez he's in a futuristic setting, a Spike Spiegel becoming a bounty hunter after another Spike Spiegel died not being discovered is just plain silly. He was pretty well known in the Syndicate and the organisation is almost everywhere. It didn't have to be Fearless, but having a different name is totally necessary.
I havent scene this version of cow boy but was wondering if the native guy was gonna be there, hes like the spiritual essence of the series
@@bacchiguu86 i agree, they also did vicious dirty, and julietas role was a huge plot twist, i was shocked, i didnt know what to say about Spikes and Julietas relationships in this version, 😳, and as far as the reviews go they say jets actor actually tried to portray his character i bet he is an actual fan of the original,
Spike didn’t die in that first church battle in the anime .when vicious toss him out of the window spike dropped a Grenade and when he landed he imagine going to Julia she start singing but when he woke up on the bebop it was Faye singing. He died later in the season.
I don’t think Joe has watched the whole original series in like 10+ years some of the things he said didn’t make sense
@@gamevideography1511 that’s why I was waiting on Alex to step in. He clearly says he loves the animated series,so I thought he would correct him but he didn’t.
Spoiler
@@Anez007 are you serious? This is a spoiler video clown. It literally says “spoiler “ in the freaking title..😂
Maybe they didn’t want to fully spoil the anime for other Joe.
Jet: "I didn't know you believed in all that astrological wuwu"
Spike: "I got layers. Like nachos."
That was the line in the show that came the closest to understanding Bebop. That was spot on.
but does it work without Steve Blum's voice tho? Cause thats how I read it.
I feel like we are all grasping at straws now, trying to salvage some feeble ounce of respect for the show…
Right cuz they were mostly broke and hungry
Steve Blums voice can make anything better I’d have him narrate my life
@@In-The-Zone You know, I did too, but I didn't notice until you pointed it out!
I love Ed, and I thought most people did too. She's certainly a very different tone from the rest of the crew, but that's totally deliberate. She's kind of the light-hearted soul of the crew, because she's (actually) care-free and doesn't have a traumatic past weighing her down. And she leaves the Bebop with Ein right before the crew starts fracturing and she inevitably becomes as scarred as the rest of them. Ed was right there with Spike as my favorite character.
Yes I agree, I Love Ed and she completes the cast on the Bebop.
No traumatic past? Wasn't Ed stuck on Earth, a total wasteland? If anything I think Ed is a survivor and the one that went through the looking glass. Everyone in the show deals with their weight their way, Ed deals with their weight by being care free/crazy, a ''When you worry you make a it double, so why worry be happy'' approach to life. We don't see any of their past but that doesn't mean they haven't been through some stuff like everyone else just Ed deals with their past by staying positive in their dystopian world and that is why I love Ed :P
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299The other three people in the crew had established lives then had them violently ripped away, and are struggling to move on from them. Ed (as far as we know) doesn't have that. Ed is extremely well adapted to the chaotic life she has grown up in, and while that has no doubt shaped her personality, that isn't exactly "trauma" in the same sense. Her past isn't weighing her down, she's free to move forward in her life (which she both literally and metaphorically does when she leaves the Bebop), while the other three are still stuck in their past to varying degrees.
ED in Anime is important part of Bebop help ties everyone together. The part she and Ein left is so emotional and such an impact.
But a character like ED wont work in live action for sure.
I thought everybody liked Ed so i was confused when he said people did not like her.
@@CyberLance26 people were mad ed wasnt in it when we weren't sure if they would show up. According to joe nobody liked ed lol
@@DetroitsReaper ye wtf is he talking about
@@CyberLance26 Maybe he saw the dub? Let's not forget that whether you watched the sub or dub could influence your experience of a character.
ED does and can work in live action.
What makes Ed eccentric is that she is not emotionally connected with the rest of the crew. While the crew is having serious conversations, Ed continues to be joyful and playful and just having fun.
All while the Bebop crew is unphased at her antics.
It's that reason that this series screwed up. They made everyone wacky and they made Ed mentally challenged or fake persona.
I guess no one learned their lesson after Death Note.
Ryuk was the only good part of Netflix's Death Note and there wasn't enough of him at all
@@georgewillis592 lol there wasn't
In the movie, Laughing Bull pretty much tells Spike that he survived all those times he should have died because it was not the time he was fated to die.
According to the DUB:
*Spike:* If on thing… one atom had given way, then I would be gone.
*Laughing Bull:* It was not a good day for you to die. That is all.
According to the SUB:
*Spike:* If one single atom had given way I would have died.
*Laughing Bull:* It was not destined to be your time to die.
It’s also made pretty obvious that Spike’s life was tied to the woman he loved.
*Spike:* Years ago, back when I was much younger, *I was afraid of nothing. I had not the slightest fear of death.* I was ready to die anytime. *But then I met a special woman. She made me want to go on living.* For the first time, I was afraid of death. A feeling I’d never had before.
*Spike:* There once was a tiger striped cat. This cat died a million deaths, revived and lived a million lives, and he was owned by various people who he didn't really care for. *The cat wasn't afraid to die.* Then one day the cat became a stray cat, which meant he was free. *He met a white female cat,* and the two of them spent their days together happily. Well, years passed, and the white cat grew weak and died of old age. The tiger striped cat cried a million times, and then he died too. Except this time, he didn't come back to life.
6:06
Oh no I totally forgot about that. In the Netflix version they never explain that his mind is deteriorating, so when spike stabs him his starts crying for his mommy, and there's no explanation for why he suddenly acts like a little kid the first time he gets hit.
He was in his happy place.
When he's in his happy place, he's a kid, as the flashback shows.
Its 20 mins longer per episode and somehow less detailed
AJ confused "Ballad of fallen Angels" with "Real Folk Blues" Episode. The last episode of the season was more "ballad" than "folk blues"
😅 I was thinking this too! Lol 😆
Because he isn't really a good show or movie critic. He's more of a whiny fanboy when it comes to these things
@@a26martinez22 why do you watch these kind of videos then
@@chrisprad8325 to see if he has improved at all...and nope not yet. Angry joe acts and critics like he has ownership of the property, he gate keeps. Its a flawed perspective to have.
Ed didn't ruin the anime man, I understand why someone feels that way tho, but she was essential to that crew
I liked Ed in the anime
Yeah me to she’s just a hyper active super smart kid personally I thought she was adorable.
I don't know what Joe was talking about when he said a lot of people hated Ed in the original, he's the only person I have ever seen come out and say they disliked her. Ed was incredibly popular in the original.
are you joking? Do you believe your own bullshit? This whole show didn't need to exist in the first place.
Maybe is a culture thing. Never heard anyone did not like ED before.
the moment when vicius screams fearlesss like a cartoon villans sets the direction the shows was aiming
That moment perfectly captures the tone of this show
It’s so hard to adapt anime into live action. Anime has a certain style whether it’s cultural difference, there facial expressions or how over the top some characters are.
Berserk might work ok because golden age arc is mainly medieval up until the eclipse
Thats what I think. Adaptations to anime are largely useless.
@@jojoadeyemi8239 not only that but I remember seeing dragon evolution and it sounds really stupid calling someone goku or bulma in real life
@@hunterhawk862 I’d love to see a black and white, live action, and hard R rated Berserk.
A good example of how over the top anime can be is blood blockade battlefront season 1 the last battle and how it ends could never been done right by hollywood
Edward was such a strange thing for them to do. Of all the things to tone down when shifting to Live Action she's the one they dialed up. Such a weird choice.
I feel like the writers / producers, were afraid of making the show "too dark" or "too downtrodden" so they did all that bad writing. It reflects Hollywood not having faith that consumer can enjoy a sad or melancholic story.
And arcane kills going full tragedy, lol
@@lordfrz9339 agreed, it was amazing this should've been similar
I think you give them too much credit, they're just bad writers with even worse ideas.
Have watched the anime for at least 5 times already. I was not able to get pass episode 3 in this Live Action adaptation. It was unbearable. Congrats for those who like it and my condolence to the anime fans who are expecting something better.
I couldn't get passed the first episode.
I got through the first episode and was kind of mortified by it.
Then a couple of episodes in it was... well, less bad.. for a bit.
And then it became the worst thing I have ever seen.
@@ToneSherpa lol
It's weird because Gren wasn't even trans. He's a dude suffering from gynecomastia (men growing breasts that's normal from taking steroids or other drugs) due to years of being experimented on while in prison. Sure, he said to Faye that having sexual relations with women is not his style but it doesn't imply anything solid about his gender. He may be gay or asexual or whatever. Turning him into a trans hostess was so off-character and just screams "forced representation".
It reflects everything that is wrong with these "adaptations". These corporate suites, who are constantly creating this mess, don't understand anything about the characters or their history. These people are as two-dimensional as the screen their soulless creations are projected against.
It is only about superficial appearance and messaging. People (you know who) only have to look empowered, but we can't see them earn it.
All of their garbage screams that their creators are intellectually, morally, and emotionally bankrupt. The best they can do is cheaply ripoff established IP for their own enrichment. I always have to think about Morgoth from the Lord of the Rings who was powerful but empty. He couldn't create anything of beauty by himself, so he twisted other things into a sad shadow of itself.
Hes not trans doe? Not in the va he’s non binary i think. And nah gren in the anime definitely was fucking dudes in that city. Only person with a pair of tits in a mining world full of men. But everything else they did with gren was absolutely retarded. However cowboy bebop is known for its representation so if they had made the gren character its own character that would’ve fit
He did seems to to have a form of gender dysphoria though.
The only thing that's great in this is Mustafa Shakir's portrayal of Jet. His voice imitation is a dead ringer for the English voice actor from the anime, and I know that he did watch the anime, but you can see that he actually adapted Jet's mannerisms as well. Something that all good actors should do, but most don't. Even his bald head looks like the same shape hehe. As much as I love John Cho, I was so sure he could not pull it off when I heard he was cast. However, I feel like he did a good job for the first 15 or 20 minutes when they were really trying to look like the anime. But then the writers kept writing him farther and farther away from the original character. Seeing what he did, I think if the writers had done right, he would have been able to pull Spike off the whole way through.
This being my very favorite all time anime that I've watched probably over 30 times over the decades, I am livid at what they did to Faye, Vicious, Julia, Gren, Mad Pierrot (who was totally awesome in the anime!), taking the comedy out of the Teddy bomber and not having Andy there for him....and those last few minutes with Ed....omg.... please please don't do a 2nd season.
I felt so depressed by the time it was over.
I agree he portrayed Jet Black 100% I was worried about the race swap, but tbh noone else could have played him. He does it perfectly
I can't speak on his acting or his performance as Jet but what I have a problem with is jet in the live action is darker than Jet in the anime that's what I have a problem with
I disagree completely. The guy is terrible as jet and as an actor. Hell, they all are terrible, but with dialogue written by a 12 year old, who can blame them.
@@James_Bee I think he was the best one out of all of them. That's not saying much but still better than whatever Vicious was.
@@laboon344 We get it, you have a problem with black people.
Badass Chad Vicious: "you're trembling..."
Dollar Tree Virgin Vicious: "MoShI mOsHi?"
God, I hated that line and scene so much, I had to walk away from my TV.
I have to guess that they realize it eventually, but the church fight is only halfway through the original bebop. Neither spike nor vicious die at that fight in the original either. The rest of the show is still pretty garbage, but that part they are complaining about isn't accurate. Clearly they were only doing half the show, and were planning on doing the other half in season 2
😅 This was bothering me too! Lol 😆
You can’t do the second half of the anime after introducing Julia like that. The live action just did a half assed amalgamation of both the church and final confrontations. I don’t blame Joe and Alex not making the distinction.
100 percent agreed I think they got confused here but still season 2 will be completely different now I'm not gonna watch season 2 I'm gonna go watch the original to wash this bad taste out.
its not even the halfway point lol its the 5th episode /26
Funny they didn’t remember that considering how big of fans they are!
Y'all ready for a potential Mass Effect Live action being in the works?!
No? Anyone...
Is there options for romance partner?
@@heisenberggutenberg95 I mean I wouldn't mind a CGI Garrus to fawn over as long as he keeps his original voice.
I mean half of his face already... you know.
If it has Henry Cavil attached to it as was theorized I might give it a shot. Otherwise? No
@@ButterPacket I don't think they'd centre it around Shepard tbh. Just a story in the universe.
They're not going to have a Shep and FemShep, they'll have Non-BinaryShep
I personally liked Ed in the original and know that Ed can be done correctly in a live action based on what the top cosplays of her have been over the last 20 years = ). Those cosplayers talked and moved exactly like Ed did and it worked ^_^.
Desirable women are politically incorrect in China because of the results of the one child policy. It is dangerous to get that many men all hopped up on testosterone.
@@elinope4745 *insert *
@@dennisfxd 😭😭😭
Cosplays are one thing, series and interpretations are another. Just because a cosplay works in a picture or a segment of a few seconds, it doesn't mean it will translate correctly to a SERIES, knowing what all that implies.
@@Facundogiu92 just because you think it can’t work doesn’t mean it couldn’t, see how dismissive and pointless that was?
Add some substance instead baseless assertions bruv
Alex's reaction is pretty much how i felt while watching it.
This show is bad and the writers, directors, producers should feel bad.
They don’t deserve to be called writers, directors and producers. They are wanna be.
Now imagine a whole season with that Ed....
oh my god....
lets just hope and pray there isnt another season
No thanks, I need MY LIVER
Ed gets a spin off. Called PeeWee's play house.
Ed ruined the original anime? I thought Ed was a gem in anime. She's just such a god damn weirdo that marches to the beat of her own drum. Its great. Live action Ed on the other hand answers the question of what if the word cringe was a person?
That shroom episode with Ed and Ein remains one my favorites ever. Right there with the fridge one. So many gems they could have fleshed out rather than giving more screen time to boring syndicate plots and butchering Vicious and Julia.
I liked Ed in the anime. She was cute. Kinda like Puck from Berserk.
Joe you confused Vicious Vs Spike in episode 6 with the final confrontation, in Ballads Spike and and Vicious battle each other in the church in front of the iconic window, Vicious grabs spike by the head and throws him through the stain glass window, instead of what happened in the live action where Julia is somehow involved and turns on them both
If you go in with low expectations, you'll be fine. Spike and Jets banter is the highlight of the show. Making Vicious a moustache twirling villain, instead of an ambiguous force of nature, was a really bad idea. Could have picked a better actor, for spike. Buuut, this is what we got. And us Bebop fans? We already know. Whatever happens, happens.
If I expect trash I just won't watch it. So that logic always bothers me. "If you expect to be miserable while you watch it , you'll find it sub par but watchably bad". they 100% failed fans for that to be the requirement to watch. They need to just stop. Netflix is batting a 7-15% success rate on adaptations... just stop...
@@KlintKaras Try be positive matey. This attracts attention to the anime, people who have never heard of it, may decide to watch it. Anime isn't something everyone watches. This sort of exposure can introduce people to something better, if they enjoy the live action. Stop being so negative man. Good things come to those who carry that weight.
@@samsherrington7423 By that logic, Dragon Ball Evolution was a good thing because it exposed people to the anime. Get the fuck out of here. Netflix should've just re-aired the anime. Making a live action adaptation was arbitrary.
@@samsherrington7423 that makes no sense lol
Will there be any more of OJ's bad movie reviews? I was really excited to see OJ get his own review series and to see more of it, but there hasn't been one in a long time
You are watching one now
Wait…that host/hostess was GREN?!?! How do you take one of the most tragic and interesting characters in the anime and reduce him to gay blackface? Oh my god…
I was literally just thinking that. I wasn't even aware that was supposed to have been Gren.
Because "muh diversity!" Honestly, the rise of the gender identity movement was really one of the worst things to ever happen to modern American culture.
They make Gren story as a joke same goes with Faye, Julia and Vicious.
@@Jhayzer021 which is absolutely terrible. They had the PERFECT foundation to update his character in a respectful way since not only was he interesting but he was technically non-binary or trans in the show (he claimed to be both a man and woman and neither). Instead his personality is “i dress like this, honey” and nothing more…it’s insulting to fans and to people in the LGBT who deserve good characters and not caricatures
It's only been a few decades, I think I've come to terms that Spike is dead.
Nah, keep carrying that weight son.
Nah he's out there ,somewhere , at some dark,smoky intergalactic dive bar 🍸 that has live jazz performers playing 24hrs a day/night.........................................................................................................................see ya around...space cowboy 🎼🎵🎶🎶🎵🎶🎶🎵🎼🎷🎷🎷🎺🎺🥁🎹🎙
We can think we've come to terms with it, but we're all gonna carry that weight.
"Hey Jet, did you know that there are four things that I hate? Rugrats, beasts, tomboys, and live action anime adaptations..."
"Oh?"
"Don't give me that, why do we have all four neatly gathered together in this series?!"
Damn, hearing how they are all friendly and immediately form a "Team" seems to me like it misses the whole point of Bebop. It's the jazz, man. The harmony formed by seemingly discordant notes when played in certain sequences. (Broken people finding comfort together) I won't say Ed, Ein, or Faye were my favorite characters, but man, the egg eating scene in the original really broke me, how these two men (Jet and Spike) who had become accustomed to the fact that they had lost everything are getting angry at each other and four bowls of eggs because they can't admit that they may have regained some of those bonds they had lost but let them slip away due to their own stubbornness...
I have never seen the anime, and I suspected something was weird when they made Faye a lesbian, not that there’s anything wrong with it. It just felt pushed and sudden. Putting the political agenda controversy aside, I thought it was okay. Then after I read all the reviews from fans of the anime, I understood their anger and rightfully so.
Julia went from love to hate of spike in 10mins?!?
Wait they made Faye a lesbian?
The Anime is so good that this series didn't have a chance.
@@dickonmanwoody7599 It's Netflix, everyone either ends up black or LGBTQ.
they*
@@Jarekx2007 like they did with Jet unfortunately
12:54 Let me help you Joe. This isn't Cowboy Bebop, this is Cowpoke Bukkake!😡
32:10 Fey actually says the line "I am not gonna carry that weight"
*I died inside hearing that*
It makes absolutely no sense. Feels like a 12 year old wrote that scene.
What's worse, they use the original sentence ("You're gonna carry that weight") on an episode where it makes completely no sense, one that had nothing to do with the anime (Episode 9, the one with past Vicious and Spike being friends). That screams dumb and missing the point.
The ‘Fearless’ thing might have worked if it was just an urban myth that gets mentioned a couple of times, and it was only implied to be Spike.
I liked that Idea of having assassin code names. Cause Viscous is a stupid name if its not a code name and if he had a code name, all the top agents should have one. Only thing is they should have giving Juila one and introduced more agents.
If they are rewriting stories, they should bring in alternate timelines.
People loved those in Final Fantasy 7 Remake .
The guy who played jet looks like a great fit for Barrett for final fantasy 7
Yes but that game has competent writers.
@@mr.a-list1272
Are you high???
"Lets make FATE ITSELF A KILLABLE CHARACTER, because after FF15 we think can make a BETTER story than FF7"
You are dead wrong.
Hard disagree on the FF7 remake I hated that alt timeline idea.
@@hungryhungryhobo196 It was sarcasm
I watched Cowboy Bebop for the first time last year after 20 years of realising how special it had become to others and worrying if it would be an anti-climax to see it nowadays. it was amazing. I really got invested in the story and understand now why it's so revered. The music, the stories, the visuals. So watching this live-action show now.....I don't like it at all and doesn't represent what I value from the anime. While the creators may say it's a departure from the original with their unique take, that doesn't mean we have to enjoy it. It's more like it could come across as "Stories from the Cowboy Bebop Universe" or maybe some time travel shenaigans caused the reality of the live-aitmation show. In any case, I liked both of your videos covering the new series and fully agree with you - its poor. The anime remains in our hearts untarnished and untouchable and at least that won't ever change.
Glad you saw the anime. It’s one of my favorite works of fiction in general. The Netflix adaptation? Hot flaming garbage. It’s worse because I feel like they had the right cast for this but just gave them terrible lines along with unnecessary and stupid backstories. Their changes were all for the worse and it burns because if they had done better with the cast they have it could be phenomenal! It’s very apparent the show runners completely missed the point of the anime along with its themes, style and messaging. Instead, it feels like they didn’t even watch the anime and just read a synopsis of it online.
I watched Cowboy Bebop when it premiered in 2001. It's a cultural monument to the era of Chicago Blues that was a huge part of my family, now long gone, so it's always been such a personal thing for me.
It's like even Netflix knew this was going to be bad, because they literally added the anime a month prior to the live action coming out. This was better promotion for the anime.
Episode 10 of the live action series covers episodes 12 & 13 of the anime those two episodes are titled Jupiter Jazz parts 1&2, I can tell you EXACTLY where this series is going in season two I believe the writers have the AUDACITY to give Vicious a REDEMPTION ARC by having Vicious & Spike set aside their differences to fight Julia.
I appreciate knowing that you are true, old school fans of one of the greatest works of art in anime form. I'm glad to know that we share the same opinion of this hot pile of garbage that they had the audacity to call Cowboy Bebop.
My favorite episode in the anime is "Pierrot Le Fou". I liked that it was just its own standalone episode that really didn't connect the overall story at all. I don't think it needed to and the live action version proved it. The fact that Pierrot went from some crazy maniac with the mind of child to a soldier Vicious broke out of containment from so that he could send him off to kill Spike was stupid. It didn't need to be connected in any way to Vicious. It makes the last scene with Pierrot less effective because he's crying and calling out for his mommy for no reason. They don't explain anything about him having the mind of a child so what was the point of him reverting to a child-like state? Also, they did my boy Ein dirty leaving him on the planet as they flew away because he had a connection to Pierrot. What's special about Ein in the anime is he's a smart data dog but everyone just thinks he's a regular dog.
mad pierrot only attacks Spike because he was at the wrong place wrong time. it's just a huge coincidence, random, which makes it scary.
Should have just had Don Cheadle resume his role as captain planet. Turn all of them into trees.
Spike nor Vicious die at the church scene. This is only mid season for the live action like it was in the anime. In the anime Julia is never even at the church, Spike and Vicious fight and both get wounded. Spike is thrown from the Stain glass but drops a grenade to kill Vicious so it left it wonder if they both survived that which they did. That was there mid season fights half way through the anime. The part your talking about is the last episode where Spike goes to the Red Dragon HQ to kill Vicious after Julia gets killed.
I'm trying to get into this show. It looks great, I love the original anime, but it just doesn't work. Bring back firefly.
Wow. Would be awesome if they tried to revive Firefly.
The biggest issue with it is that the writer burned a ton of bridges in the industry, so pretty sure it would be about Netflix forcing their hands to grab the IP and butcher it with no remorse.
Hilarious when Alex was talking about the dog napper and just outright stated about Netflix "if they're not going to think about this shit than neither am I" 😂
Also Joe's Ed impression fucking killed me 🤣
If Cowboy Bebob was this bad imagine what’s gonna happen to One Piece
at least in the remake all the women wont look the same
"They don't have material left to ruin in season 2" - Is Joe not aware of the movie? Ed directly references it with the "job" he tells spike about in the final scene. Though I doubt this will ever get a season 2
"I'm not going there to die, I'm going to find out if I was really alive."
How could you not like the Original Ed? She's awesome.
Ed was one of my favorite characters in the show, also Ed is a girl...unless they changed her gender in the live action. 🤦🏻♂️
They made Ed non binary, and made her very cringey
@9:28 hey Joe I think you're getting the cowboy Bebop episode ballad of fallen Angels mixed up with the last episode of Bebop. In the original cowboy Bebop episode 5 ballad of fallen Angels Spike confronts Vicious in the church just like the live action Netflix series. But instead of a Valentine being captured by the syndicate, they have spike and jet captured, and Fay Valentine saves them. Kind of stupid.
This Honestly felt like a Slap in the Face!!!
Joe is the only reviewer I trust, been watching you for 7-8 years and you have never done me wrong
the last episode of the show is not actually the last episode of the anime but the fifth one, where instead of Julia shooting him through the stained glass it's vicious throwing him and spike leaving a grenade in exchange. and the next scene is him all bandaged up from head to toe inside bebop
Thats what I was going to say too lol. They got it wrong!
Viscious taking over the syndicate was the last episode in the anime tho. Got me very confused
The issue is even though the church battle originally took place in the 5th episode of the anime, the storyline about Vicious killing the elders happened in episode 25 of the anime. Not to mention that in changing Gren's backstory, they've made remaking the episodes about Gren/Vicious being in the army together impossible. The show has done things in such a weird order that they've still essentially burned through the entire Syndicate story arc from the original.
I watched the trailer for the live action a while ago, decided it was time to watch the anime before having my vision of it sullied. This was awesome to watch just as a semi-review of the anime
I never got the impression that the bebop crew were friends in the anime. They were together for selfish reasons. It was reluctant comraderie, another thing this new adaption seems to have missed.
Really? I felt that Spike and Jet clearly cared for eachother. Almost like a brother type bond. And Faye clearly cares a lot for spike. Spike just usually acts indifferent in the anime, but he does care about Faye and jet. He’s just emotionally distant because of his own baggage and he just has a very aloof and nonchalant personality.
At the very least, I'm not sure how you could watch the show and not think that Faye is extremely emotionally attached to Spike, especially in the LeFou episode, and Real Folk Blues.
At least Jet cares about Ed, because he could have asked for money but instead asked for the chess master to be spared so Ed can have fun for a little longer.
Edit: and do you think Jet and Spike really went through so much trouble to get a video tape player for money? I think they did it for Faye but never said that out loud.
13:36- THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! Aside from Spike Ed is no doubt the most well known character and many people LOVED HER!! THERE IS NO BEBOP WITHOUT ED!
The only thing this series achieves is that it reminds everyone of how good the original anime was 🤣😍
To paraphrase Bourne Legacy "you were given a Ferrari, and your people used it like a lawnmower"
Angry Joe you got the Amine's Spike's battle against Vicious all wrong, the church battle scene is way before the last battle were Spike dies (mid season). He gets shot a few times on the way up to Vicious to destroy the Syndicate.
Faye's line is "Welcome to the ouch, motherfuckers!" I had to run that scene again with subtitles to make sure I heard correctly.
17:15
Ed being an A.I. isn't that bad of an idea I quite like it!
I have HIGH HOPES for Live Action One Piece.... but I'm scared it's gonna end bad
It's crazy to think at first I had to get used to Alex in the AJS but now it wouldn't feel complete without him.
Same
Live action Cowboy Bebop is pure trash. It sucks! Thanks Netflix.
Tbh Gren’s arc was the biggest disservice the show could’ve done, on so. Many. Levels. Good thing we still have the anime.
Watching this has made me want to finally go watch the anime.
The only good thing this show ever did.
I can't thank you guys enough for taking this one for the team... Because this Bebop you're reviewing sure ain't what I remember....
I just rewatched Folk Blues 1 and 2 for good measure....., still such an epic ending....
YEAHHHH ‼️ Anime Bebop is still the shit!!
See you space cowboys! 😁
I assume it's horrible Netflix fucks up a lot
Arcane? Castlevania?, Cobra kai?, Money Heist, The Umbrella Academy? they only fuck up when it comes to animes coming to real life which it really shouldn't, as you can see no other company is even trying it because they know they will mess up.
@@KillerBee300 i didn't feel the need to explain that anime adaptations are what they fuck up on castlevania was incredible and they picked up cobra kai from youtube didn't they
Don't think I have ever seen Alex so dejected and depressed.
Seems like they tried to intentionally ruin it lol 😂
So I never watched the anime. And I thought the live action was rough. But entertaining. Now hearing the die hards. And you guys talk about it. I realize this is a Star Wars the new movies situation for me. Hearing all the bad writing and stuff. I can understand why it’s so reviled. And the Ed? Yea. When the show ended I don’t t know. I was like whoa. I don’t want more that character at all. I’ll be starting watching the anime this week. So at least it got me interested watching that.
What did I say!!! If it ain't broke, don't fix It!!! 🙄🙄😡 The Original anime was fine and did not need a live action version. Those goons saying give it a chance.. get our of here with that. I'll stick with the original and never watch this abomination of a series Which disrespects the source material 💯💯
It doesn't though, did you watch it? Lol. Some things were changed, but the spirit of the anime is there. At least they're getting that right now.
@@samsherrington7423 kindly keep your mouth shut because you clearly never watched the original, and if you did, then you never cared about the series in the first place.
@@samfisher2141 I'm using my thumbs to communicate, not my mouth. :D
@@samfisher2141 ignore him, since the show is cancelled now. Makes his comment an epic FAIL 😂😂😂😂 💯
@@samsherrington7423 says the show that is cancelled now😂😂😂😂 🤣🤣😂 continue with just your thumbs as reactions and keep your mouth shut.
someone for the love of god tell me what the fuck spike is supposed to do now that julia shot him. like doesn't he just lose all character motivation now?
Another example of how a "woke" writer does more damage than good...
As if that was ever up for debate ^^
You can Honestly say they “de-woked” the anime.
@@dr.carmichael530 no they made Faye a lesbian
@@viviennewestwoodruinedmylife That is a change i couldnt have given two fucks about.
It’s like someone taking away your Ford Mustang and replacing it with a Chevy Vega and the only thing your mad about is the paint job.
@@dr.carmichael530 no one cares if you don’t care. I’m proving your point wrong wrong
For Julia's character in the original, getting away from the Syndicate and managing to survive solo on her own for 3+ years was badass enough. Can't get more empowered than that. How does this live action crap even work? This giant syndicate will just randomly take up the ex-bar singer with zero status within their hierarchy structure as their new leader? They'd kill her in five minutes.
Spike is who he is because he fell for this woman who was larger than life and intrinsically good like him despite the background they both came from, committed to him in the same way he was to her, and putting everything on the line for him. It defines his character. If he is pining for some opportunistic, half-wit damsel who leeches off the men in her life for power then that takes a lot away from who he is and his character judgement.
Bottom line is... Netflix should have just funded the original creator and crew to make new episodes of the original anime. It would have been a much better use of money. They already had the original creator on board for THIS, and they bought rights to show the original anime... so why not take the low hanging fruit and invest in a proven product?
The original anime had ended on a perfect note.All the main characters’ story ark were well developed and concluded. Adding anything new after spike’s death is just watering down the legacy. However, they should use the money to remaster the anime series with upgraded CG scenery and ships just like the ones in the show. Those are some of the best CGs in a SiFi TV series, and the beautiful ships of Cowboy Bebop deserve it.
The original creator accepting this live action creation does not mean he would accept creating a sequel to the anime.
the way the scenery works at the end of cowboy bebop, you cant even argue that he doesnt die.
there this same symbolic than in sympathy for devil. when the "kid" dies, there is this camera panning to the sky, this mystical music, the shooting star, a kinda metaphor for the soul escaping.
all of symbolic comes back for the final scene, even to the final "you are going to carry that weight" replacing the usual "see you space cowboy".
This Spoiler Zone episode was a thousand times more enjoyable than the entire live action show 😂 Ya'll are amazing. Don't ever change.
Here's the problem that emblematic of the whole series, they tone down Faye's character to Bro-Chick that's redundant then they turn up Ed to 11. Somewhere Jar Jar Binks is laughing 'Mesa don't looky so bad now do mesa.'
Joe: "Well, at least they can't butcher it any more than they already have."
netflix: "Challenge accepted!"
13:24 Ed was the only reason (beside Spike) that I had to watch the anime. Ed's intelligence & randomness made him/her unique.
14:17 Ed isn't from Earth Joe? 🤔
This show is complete garbage just watch the anime
He has two fights with vicious one was a failure the last fight with vicious results in his death.
Spike dies the creator wanted to show as you said what happens when you stay for too long in the past.
Every character moves on but he decides to go back to his past
Ed looks and acts the same they have always been annoying for some but I love it. As long as they get to hack peoples powerful shit and make them look stupid . Ed is fine.
Way I see it, the original is still out there and will be superior no matter what, the live action one isn't meant to replace it.
Who said it will replace the original 😂?
Great way to think Tones. You're bang on the money