I Just Bought A VW ID.4 AWD! Here's My Feature Wishlist After Owning 3 ID.4s
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- Kyle's Dad, Dave, is with his new VW ID.4 AWD and in this video he shares his thoughts on all three of his electric VWs and what he would like to see updated to the car in the future.
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Dad is back! Thanks for a very deep dive into your thoughts on ID.4. Now everyone knows why I have no problem talking and talking. Nice work and I hope everyone enjoys your thoughts on this electric car!
What is it with dads and EV’s? I’ve got 3 kids and am crazy about them. I nean EV’s🤪
About the brakes, people having been measuring their front brakes on the RWD and it was 14 inch, just like the AWD, the media press release and spec sheet of VW USA must be wrong. Also the part catalog of VW USA also link to the same exact part. Also people here in Quebec already got success fitting 18in wheels for winter from what I heard.
Hey Kyle could you ask your Dad to stop buying all the ID4s in CT🤣
I ordered mine on 7/5 and it still hasn’t left Germany yet
Hopefully they can find enough chips to build a few cars
Ok ok. I am done; With the ID.4’s at least :)
@@dconner9 thanks 😊
I too reserved my ID.4 AWD Pro S with the Moonstone Grey without the Gradiant Package back in July, and I'm still waiting to get to the build stage. Get frustrated when everyone else on TH-cam seems to have purchased one already. I'm in Mn and it seems the coasts get priority over the midwest.
@@JonnyTQuest Sure make sense …… remember what the Midwest did in 2016! We’ll never forget or forgive.
@@JonnyTQuest I think y’all have a lot on lot look around many bought in mn off lot
Boy this video had everything.
Happiest Ev on the planet, tire science, shorkies, Rav 4 shenanigans and coffee. Probably the most complete out of spec video ever. Great work Dave!
Dave is an all star! What a treat to be hosted by him :)
Great review on the ID.4 Pro S AWD, although there were audio glitches on the interstate portion. I do wish they would offer the Lunar Grey interior across all the exterior color choices. I know what you mean about buggy vehicle apps. My Honda Clarity uses HondaLink which is one of the worst.
Thanks for posting the video. I've been a first edition owner since July. What happens when you were backing up frequently happens to me when I shift around the seat. It's an overly sensitive weight sensor. Vw knows about it and they're not making a fix. Be glad you mentioned about the front assist feature randomly 'crashing'. My car has had that and continually since I bought it good along with ACC arrows Lane assist and display.. all of the assist features randomly go out. It is spent a total of five weeks in the shop. They replaced three computer modules and so steering wheel buttons for the assist features. Very surprised its still happening on the new models
I love the real-life type details, totally helpful to know, don't get these kinda videos out there very often. Thanks for the video
We got the id4 here in Leeds UK and its great. Loved your review Dave, honest and informative. Regards, Arnie Leeds.
Dave, your videos get better and better! Love hearing your stories, insights, experiences, and of course, the review of the car. Great work! Look forward to the day when you eventually take over Out of Spec Reviews, mwahahaha!
nice commentary on the charging network. you are absolutely correct.
Some black vinyl stickers for the roof and mirrors would really make it look good. I hope to see some more options when it comes to paint and interior in the coming years. Not sure I can get over that brown interior.
Thanks for the video. I am looking to purchase my first full EV in the next year or so, currently daily driving a 2017 Volt. This car is definitely on the list.
I have a RAV4 Prime which is pretty comparable to your Volt for EV range. It's the best of both worlds for my driving here in the prairies of Canada. I wish they still made the Volt, I am thinking of a PHEV for the second car too...
Nice Video minus the vibration sound. LOL. I believe from what I have heard that the warnings you are getting indicates your car is ready to update the software. Most people have done an update to 2.3 and it goes away. Not sure why it can't just tell you that on the screen. I've got an AWD Moosnstone on order as well but may not see it until May. 😔
Excellent buy, it's the best out there. You chose good specs
Very insightful comments. Thanks.
Great content. Good to listen to you whilst doing the garden. Take care
Thanks for watching!
That's so nice your dad is involved in your life. Not many fathers take this type of interest with their children.
Had the Model S for 5 y now. Becausevof small children i’ve had ”chill mode” on for the last 3-4y. Ordered the RWD ID.4, will be great! Loving the content. Sub count will 10 fold soon! PS: my 0-100km/h is around 7.5s. Id4 rwd around 8s
I know this video is 2 years old but I found it very informative - thank you. Since the 2024s will have increased horse power compared to the 2023 - especially the rear wheel drive - would you recommend the RWD over the AWD for 2024?
This week the car press did get a preview of the ID.5 with SW 3.0
3.0 will be nice. Europe will get it probably in march 22. not sure about the US.
Great job Dave! I agree with you on the dismal four color exterior options on the Q4; and they left out my favorite “Geyser Blue”. May be if more of us tell Audi about it, they may change their minds (at least add it as a first edition option).
How is the comfort vs the Mach-E, including ease of entry/exit? Have you been able to get a sense of ride comfort of 19" vs 20" wheels/tires? BTW. my 2018 75D is a little stiff and definitely hard to get in/out of for many.
I just took ownership of the same spec car (except in Scale Silver) a few weeks ago - great car! I'm in San Diego and apparently VAG has re-routed a lot of their west coast imports through San Diego due to the nightmare that is the Port of Los Angeles. 90% of my complaints are software-related and I'm hoping most of these will be resolved in the 3.0 release (~March I'm hearing). Other than that - still hate the stupid 2-button window control panel. I'm hoping the 3rd party market will devise a 4-button drop-in alternative. Still hate the piano black finishes (dust magnet). Stereo is just OK. Center console could be better designed (where do I put my change and loose small items?) No sunglasses holder. But these are small quibbles - the car itself is great.
P.S. Car-Net is garbage and next to worthless. This app needs a complete rewrite - hope that comes in the near future as well.
Dave. A friend talked me in to the DMM3 Tesla. It was the 1st four wheel drive vehicles I have owned. I must say I would never go back to a two wheel drive again.
The traction is outstanding, just point the front wheels where you want to go and hit the throttle.
Do you like the id4 better than the Tesla?
A friend has a Bolt EV Premiere 2020 (no battery problem yet!)
We took a road trip and the EA charging stations were the biggest pain in the a**.
Chargers were broken, card readers would not work and just a terrible time charging.
I don't think I could deal with the CCS1 network.
I've had a Tri motor Cybertruck on order since the first week and placed a deposit on a Ford F-150 Lighting just in case the Cybertruck gets delayed any more.
5:45 that’s bold & brave. I used to live in the Midwest and wouldn’t want to be caught in a blizzard with RWD. I can’t imagine trying to navigate a nor’easter with RWD
Thanks for another great overview and some very interesting insights, Dave. Good points about AWD being less important than good tires for winter conditions. With your "Thank you" to the Nav for warning you of the upcoming hazard, and some resemblance to Bobby Orr, we really should make you an honorary Canadian (or is that honourary :) ?) I have a feeling that you may be trading your ID4 for an eTron before long!
Love this comment James; As a kid growing up in the Boston Mass area, my favorite player and hero was Bobby Orr. A true role model for me! Thanks for watching!
@@dconner9 that's awesome to hear, Dave, I don't think you could pick a better hero or role model. His home town of Parry Sound Ontario has a museum in his honour.
That loud rubbing noise on your audio drove me nuts, but your information was great. Thanks.
aerosmith ride, is a ride I've always referenced to friends when wanting to describe insane acceleration. We are placing a deposit in next week or 2 and hopefully delivery feb/mar.
I'm excited for every non-Tesla EV. Thanks!!
I know right. Its like you want an EV but you don't want gullwing doors, a steering yoke, an interior with no buttons where you have to go through menus just to open the glovebox etc. They need to realize the best way to sell EVs is to make them familiar and user friendly.
There are dash covers available for the dreaded brown dash. Very nice owner's review.
no dread here, I think it looks great.
Unfortunately only 2.3 software version has the OTA capability and the dealer needs to install it for you but to get 3.0 there is a small update the dealer will need to install for you as well before you can OTA version 3.0 once it is opened up to the globe.
I have the same auto brake feature on the Golf 7.5 , it does apply the hand brake aggressively if you are reversing a little too fast (first time I thought as well I had bumped into something but still had some distance) . You can of course disable it if you wish
when it activates does it make a loud grinding noise? (just asking cuz I've experienced it before in other cars)
It’s actually very precise
@@Idontknow819918 yeah it only has gone off immediately before the car was about to pass us from behind, and only if they were within like a meter of us
I drove the AWD at Curran too.
Great job!!!!
I'm glad the regen (B) does not stop the car. Much better than the Tesla, full stop, one pedal system. You can re-gen slowing down to a stop light and and creep up to the car in front. Then you have to do that monumental light press on the brake to stop.. Much better control that way.
Looks great!
Unlike most cars, the cruise control is in standby mode by default when the car is powered up. On most cars the driver has to first power up the CC before setting the speed.
Great point!
Dad that automatic braking thing happened to me once when I was backing out of a spot and I was sure I hit the car that was driving by. Violent but effective!
Agree!!!!
It is quite violent happened twice to me and you clearly feel like you hit something!!
and it also makes this awful grinding noise (I've experienced it in an audi)
I think the same that is another world with AWD as I made road test with RWD!
What is the EPA mileage equivalent on the moroni sticker ? 89 mpg ?
Kyle not sure what your dad does but what a natural on video. Your mom is great also. Get them on the media car schedules and have them do more reviews!
haha thanks! and thanks for watching!
Does all wheel drive require more maintenance?
The cruise control "Set" button shouldn't cause the car to accelerate. However if the resume button is pressed then the car could accelerate to a previously stored speed setpoint. Touching the brake would disable cruise control of course.
Right, now if you hit RES to resume… maybe…
Did you add a 12V out for the radar detector or powering it via USB-C?
I ran a long cord from the rear power outlet to the front
Hi Dave love your details on the VW ID4 AWD, I failed on getting a deposit on a Kia EV6, but did manage to deposit on both ID4 AWD Pro S with top trim and Hyundai Ionic 5 AWD Long range ultimate and waiting to see which wins in end. Nice to know about the GPS issue I have a Dash Cam with GPS module that I have mounted high, so thanks for the tip on the Windshield defrost filaments! Waiting to also hear on the software update. Also on the software update preheating and other charging issues appear to be much improved on the next version software not sure what they will call it in the USA.
9:10 also the moon buggy that drove on the moon was electric too!
How is the cabin noise? It sounds loud in the video, but wasn't sure if that is accurate or not.
Thanks for the review. Would you mind to measure the actual ground clearance of the RWD and AWD? Some source said 8.2 and 8.8 inches, but others saying both are just over 6 inches.
Sure! Keep in mind the RWD has 20’s and the AWD has 19’s. Where exactly do you want me to measure?
@@dconner9 thanks alot. idk, man. Where is the lowest point based on your observation? Maybe the chin spoiler?
I don't think the wheel size makes a difference since the 19" get thicker rubber sidewall (/50 over /45?), So the exterior diameter of the tire should be similar. I ordered an AWD Pro thinking maybe I can bring it to beach and drive on the sands.
It is exactly 8 3/16” of ground clearance under the drivers seats from the ground to the battery pack cover which seemed to be the lowest point under the car except for some small plastic pieces in front of the rear wheels which seem to be wind deflectors. (Very small). Hope this helps!
@@dconner9 thank you so much David. That is a proper SUV clearance. Yea, I can care less of those air flaps in front of rear wheel. Almost all new vehicles have them for MPG, including f150. So if the official 8.2" number is for AWD, and they said the RWD sits 0.6" lower, then the RWD would be sitting at 7.6" of ground clearance, still respectful especially comparing to other EV "SUVs" such as Model Y, Mach E, bolt EUV, etc. All those have a clearance around 6" plus or minus.
Hello Dave. I watched with great interest your Ioniq 5 purchasing video. Did you ever get one? I ordered one for MSRP plus a "doc" fee.
With the valuations today, I may be able to trade in my RWD ID4 and get a new Ioniq 5 for about the same price considering the tax credits. Do you still have the ID4? I really enjoy your videos. I am about the same age and trade in cars often. I think you do it more frequently than me which makes me happy that there are those out there as crazy as I am. I ordered an Ioniq 5 for my wife who currently has a Highlander and am thinking of getting another one for myself in lieu of the ID4. Thanks for any info.
Hey Tom. Yea I did go for the IONIQ 5. Videos up now on this channel. Thanks for watching!
This is excellent, glad to see Dad keeping it sexy, give the people what they want
Best comment ever. I win @Kyle
As with all the other EV's, if you want faster performance, you have no choice but to get the dual motor option which means AWD.
Just like mine, except mine is blue! 😸👍
Why don't you highlight the wheel rims needing to be made for left and right-hand sides of the car as they spin in opposite directions?
Beautiful car!
Hi Dave
how much did you save from CT state incentives?
Thank you
Zero CHEAPR CT State credit as this car was over $40k MSRP (unfortunately)
The brown dash is growing on you. Like Atheletes Foot? Other than that, a great car, Moonston Gray is a good color.
Love this comment haha :). Thx for watching!
So it sounds like RWD Pro S is the way to go? A lot of the points you made about Gradient and AWD were mostly subjective (power, color combo for Gradient) - Loved this video btw!
Actually, I am very happy with the AWD. The 50% extra power is transformative. But that’s just me. Drive both and do what’s best for you! Thanks for watching
@@dconner9 Sounds like I need to get behind the wheel of an AWD!
No heat pump, no HUD in the states, I’m surprised they included wheels.
"It can tow I think 2700 hundred pounds. It's great if you wanna uh put a bike rack on there." What kinda bike do YOU have?
Haha. Fair point. Of course it’s an electric one :)
What is that creaking every time you hit a bump ? The big glass roof is creaking ?
Camera mount was touching the UI. Apologies! Thanks for watching
As a, ah, similarly aged person, I do enjoy (and REALLY understand!) the, uh, random "steaming of thoughts" about cars (in this case, specifically, ID.4 -- he is, after all, a sort of "real world authority"!). I pop a beer and feel like I'm having a great conversation with a freind about cars. I know these "episodes" may not resonate with all your followers -- but DO know that they DO appeal to "Men of a Certain Age" (to reference a TNT series that targeted these same folks!).
Haha! Love this comment… thanks ! 🍻
Whey did you pick shiny primer for colour though?
I bought what was available…. Actually, I like the primer color! But I totally get it if you don’t. Thanks for watching!
Dave is awesome!
Agree!!! Haha. :). Jk. Thanks for watching!
Range is the king for electric cars. AWD is for really difficult areas and I will not sacrifice range just to be "sporty" at the lights stops.
Do you know how far you can actually drive at 0 miles?
I highly doubt you can find an ID 4 without the floor mats and emergency kit already added. Mine was on the sticker from Germany. It was not an add on.
My AWD had zero options. Agree it was a rare find and imho highly desirable
You get approximately 10 miles past zero.
Do you like the moon stone color better?
I actually do!
As always, worth watching, but this time it was a tad too long.
And please, the next time attaché the cam a little bit higher on the screen. It doesn’t have to be much, but it won’t hit the instrument panel.
Agree and thanks for the feedback my friend. !!
Really enjoyed the info on this but it sounded on the vid that your ID had a horrible creaking noise while you drove
His phone or radar detector may be interfering with the camera's audio. Or loose camera mount.
Versions number will be in 2.3
A blue instead of brown would have looked awesome with that paint color. Congratulations again 🤔😐😏😁🤣 Next…the iD5.👍🏼
Dave is awesome! Time to get a Mach-E or EV6.
Very interested in real-world range.
I've been in our ID4 for a bit over 2 months now. If we are not running the heat, we have been getting over 300 if charged to 100%, highway or in town. If we run the heat nonstop, it drops to about 240.
If this is your 3rd ID4, is it actually THAT good ?
Yes. Got the base, then the fancy one, then the AWD. Love the ID.4! Only keeping the AWD. Sold the other 2
I have one since May, I LOVE this car!!!
The 3rd ID.4!!! ...You got an ID.4 addiction?!?! Lol 😆 🤣😂🤣
Maybe?
Leave some for the rest of us, geez!
How nice to see that you could buy 3 while thousands are waiting for one in Canada....
That plastic cladding on the side doors will turn grey over time.
who's the fluffy passenger in the back?
That’s our 2 year old Shorkie Bailey!
Lots of good info in here but needs editing and some order to the talking points for the next one please.
Will try. Thanks for the feedback and for watching.
Next video: I bought my 4th ID4 because this time Volkswagen deleted the brown accent in the Pro S interior on a moonstone exterior color. So I bought that.
It wouldn’t surprise us
Ouch.
@@OutofSpecReviews Great to watch though. Keep up the good work!
Is there a way you can help me find an id.4 all wheel drive?
Mine is now for sale! Interested in a used one?
@@dconner9 why you selling it?
I might be interested. How can we communicate?
@@ready2ridef4i20 Ioniq 5 has my interest at the moment. Love the ID.4 though. Really great car
@@ready2ridef4i20 it’s on eBay. You can message me there after checking it out. These are seemingly rare at the moment
U guys in US really miss out on BMW iX3 - best driving eSUV in this price range
How much does it cost? Where are you?
@@glider1232 EU. prices start around 55k€ which is the same as you pay for a well equipped ID.4 with RWD and larger battery. The “base” beemer has a lot of kit. I’m getting a crazy well-eqpd pre-facelift‘21 for about 60k€. It has a few Tesla touches: visualisation of other cars while on intelligent cruise control, and, wait for it, OTA!). Compared to ID.4 it only loses out on the smart matrix headlights and AR HUD, both of which aren’t available in US) Otherwise everything feels better on the be, em, ve
@@mtumasz In the US, the AWD Pro S with Gradient is the equivalent of about 43,000 Euro.
@@glider1232 no point comparing EU prices with US. Here, the price includes 23% Value Added Tax which applies to all vehicles. So as a buyer in my market reality, I compared ID4, Škoda Enyaq, Audi Q4, Mercedes EQC, Jaguar i-Pace and the BMW came out on top. For similar money we can buy a Ford Mach-e and a Volvo XC40, but the former comes only with black interior we don’t want and the latter will be available for test drives (in my country) in February
A detail: all Model Y have heat pumps. But Model 3 before 2021 did not have it.
I stand corrected! Thanks! And thanks for watching :)
@@dconner9 Thank you for making the video :) If you are curious to see the difference of the heat pump on the Model 3 in "not too cold temperature" (around 0 Celsius) and do not mind using the English subtitle you can watch this test we made last winter: th-cam.com/video/2tW8JG9qP34/w-d-xo.html
By the way, I totally agree with the tires being the most important part of safety in the cold! This is 10x more important than AWD.
I really like this is.4. It's a beautiful SUV and unlike everything else electric it actually looks like a normal SUV. The only issues I have is the top speed, acceleration, range and tech. Manufacturers have a long way to go to catch Tesla. Not to mention their huge supercharger network. If you're gonna offer vehicles in the same price range you have to at least compete with the specs.
It’s interesting that you had troubles with EA and the multiple ID.4s - I didn’t realize they actually cared what car was being used on it.
EA is a joke! What's even more disgraceful is that VW owns EA and can't even get its cars working properly on its chargers. VW Group as a whole has major software issues as evident by Dave pointing out with the App communication being so slow (2019 e-Tron owners had a 7 week outage that Audi denied anything being wrong on their end). Makes sense why EA chargers are abysmal because VW is developing the software that runs on them!
No major outlet wants to call them out for such poor performance.
@@heathcox397 I did a 4400 mile trip a couple weeks ago in my ID.4 without issues.
@@brandenflasch - I drive from LA to SF often and every trip I’m on the phone to EA. Chargers don’t start, slow charging speeds or just randomly stop during charging. It’s not the car as everyone I’ve spoken to while charging has an “EA story”. One stop had 6 chargers and EA made me move the car to every different one to try and get working. A car was using one and the owner returned. His comment was “this is the only one that works and has been this way for weeks”. EA claimed it wasn’t true but still couldn’t get the 5 chargers working after multiple restarts. The guy leaves, I plug in and that charger worked. They don’t maintain the network so glad you didn’t experience the hot mess I always get in California.
This just convinced me my current order of Tesla, Kia/H , Ford then VW and the rest is right.
I don’t care at all about plug and charge, I just want to tap my credit card and charge, I don’t want 10 apps for different networks, just let me pay for charging when I need it like a gas station
The pillows are just in case of an accident, not to relax.
Ah, a foot away IS CLOSE when backing-up. Glad the car put on the breaks for you! Reaction-time at only a foot away IS CLOSE!
Dude, put your drink while driving down in the cup holder!
AWD is MUCH better in the snow then the RWD.
AWD is MUCH better for off-road.
AWD is faster than the RWD (not slower as you mention (23:50))
Very annoying crackling sound. Is that the car? Your recording device? (i.e.,13:09, etc.)
Ah, the E-tron is about 30+ grad more so - yea - I guess it will charge faster!
Now that you own two ID.4s do you get the nickname of 2 D's at the dealership ? that's cheesy isn't it lol
One suggestion. We are here to look at the car. It’ll be great if you have another camera to show the road, or dash or outside scenery instead of just you most of the time.
Thanks for the suggestion
You should uy a new mic
Why would someone want this coming from a Tesla? Not a jab. Just curious. Is it cheaper, or are there some other benefits?
For sure cheaper; both are awesome. Wanted to explore and experience other solutions and for the moment, loving this car. Doesn’t mean I won’t go back to Tesla at some point; or switch up to a Q4, or EV6, or Ionic 5 or Lucid or Rivian or…. Ok I will stop now :)
Id4 is literally Just a good alternative to it. Tesla isn't better
Unless you need an EV right now, I'd wait until 2022 when the Kia EV6, Hyundai Ionic 5, Nissan Ariya and Toyota BZ4X come out.
You have regen when you brake! I hate my Tesla because it does only regen when you go off the throttle. Porsche even refuses this stupid one pedal drive, and right they are! We have also on ICE car so it really is confusing and not consistent ... The hybrid we had was also regenerating when using the braking pedal, and you could easily see when were using regen or regen + physical braking, very consistent between different cars. Tesla should introduce the option! B-mode was as strong regen as "breaking" ... so please Elon have both options.
@@laloajuria4678 1 Pedal is like 1 mouse button. 😁
@@laloajuria4678 if you only have one car yes, but the reality is that ICE cars or rental cars rarely have one pedal driving and I and many people drive different cars quite regularly ... so to be consistent both should and technically can be offered by EV's .... even without extra HW, it's all software ...
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I thought that was Donald trump driving a VW looking at the thumbnail photo 😅
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Why didn't you do this comparison while not driving and have the cars right next to one another?