I want more like the C70. More compact, but with internal NDs, internal BRAW or ProRes Raw, bigger battery, and timecode. Add the S1H hinge screen and it’d be perfect 👌
Don't forget too, Panasonic officially merged their professional and consumer imaging/video divisions on April 1st of this year. They are primed and ready to start working on a Lumix cinema camera.
@@coin777 Oh I'm sure they've already been working on one... I mean, have you actually ever really played with a GH6? That thing has a dual gain sensor (not dual ISO) like an Arri Alexa. That, on top of all of the codecs and formats... and they made that just in the Lumix division. Imagine a box with that technology, but full frame. It would be unstoppable!
As someone that owns a Varicam LT, I do want the legacy sensor in at least one of the bodies with L mount. Thought it will probably be an updated S1H sensor with an OLPF. The older sensors handle color and texture in a unique way
In fact, a cinema camera is just a camera optimized for team work. It has SDI 12G ports for monitors for the Camera assistants, for the director and the script. It has XLR for documentary uses, it has RAW internally, V-MOUNT batteries, ND and an EVF ! The EVF is very important for shoulder rig uses ! So if you need a cinema camera, it is a totally different work flow. But if you need an FX3 style camera, the S5IIX is already this style because it has even more features for video than the FX3.
If we can get a cinema camera from lumix with all the things from the last firmware, internal ND filters and this new great autofocus, I would sell all my stuff o get it, lumix has been full of surprises lately and the new firmware could be coming from something they are already working on, and this thing could be the cinema camera🤞thanks for the video bro
I would love to see a cinema line from Panasonic. I know they have the AU-EVA1 and VariCam. But, if they can come up a Panasonic version of the Komodo X or PYXIS, or even a C70 like camera with internal NDs, I would definitely be interested. Could it be what the big announcement coming in May is for? That would be cool.
I've owned the Panasonic BGH1 and loved it despite the quirks. The BGH1 is probably the cinema camera you want because of the price. Next one up is the BS1H. Then AU-EVA1, which has been out forever. Then the VariCams.
There is a huge difference between the BGH1 and the Pyxis. The BGH1 has no buttons and is designed for remote control in a multi cam environment or it has to be rigged up and be controlled with a touch screen. The Pyxis has lots of buttons that are preferable for cameras that are operated manually.
I’m primed for the organic sensor. That sensor negates the need for ND filters. It is also global shutter. That’s what I would love to see from Panasonic.
I am SO ready for a LUMIX cine-line camera. My set-up consists of a S5iix and two GH6 for multicam but some agencies only want cinema cam’s under client requests and it would elevate my business to be able to get those gigs!
Yeah it’s called the BGH1 I already own, and spec for spec it’s already on par with the Pyxis and out performs it in many ways! Same dynamic range, better low light and rolling shutter performance, hdmi, and RAW if you want it. I just purchased the portkeys monitor for controls, but realised it doesn’t really make that much difference.
@@jimgiraffe5253I am genuinely curious what you see as the benefit of Full Frame over MFT in the case of the Pyxis if they have the same claimed dynamic range, but the Pyxis has worse low light performance and rolling shutter?
The s5iix is already in the style of a fx3. Panasonic should release a cube-esque cinema camera with an EVF, ND filter, proper I/O, 32 bit float ,Varicam color science, PDAF and their renowned IBIS.
Panasonic has already a cinema camera. They have merged both divisions, but we don't know what does exactly that mean (just cutting costs or really joining capabilities). We know that consumer cameras have been replaced by mobile phones, so it makes sense to move to the professional market (even though it is far smaller). In conclusion, I don't know if these are good or bad news. We will see that is the future roadmap for Lumix cameras. Cheers!
There is so much gear hysteria noise and I get hit by it myself. There are definitely some super cool things about the BlackMagic Pyxis 6K if you only need to film. But I have owned both a BlackMagic and a Canon to take pictures with and realized that I am more into a good hybrid solution. Because I already have a lot of EF glass, I chose the Canon R5C. With this setup, I can switch between photo mode and film with a simple button. Therefore, I do not need to buy into a new solution. We are spoiled for choice when it comes to equipment these days. We can do the most with what we have and achieve top class if we prepare well beforehand. Thanks for your thoughts and sharing.
Indeed. Panasonic and L-Mount more and more turn out to be a great boat to be in. btw: i was wondering if the Freefly Systems thought about joining since sony did not allow them to further use E-Mount... my GH6 and S5 (OG) showed me, that i prefer Hybrid for Travel but dedicated Video Cams for "real" Video shots My Multicam-Setup is mostly BlackMagic, with a JVC LS300 as a backup it's a hustle to add the lumix cameras into the mix (e.G.) HDMI-delay... My Dream Setup would be: - FF EVA 2 - M43 EVA mini - BGH2 (to add for Multicam... with a display preferably) - S5Rii (or a new rangefinder highRes model) and the G9ii for Photos, Travel, Handheld B-Roll and Backup the potential is exciting for sure
I dont typically comment often but... 1. Rear VND patent for Lumix 2. Better app contorl If Lumix added these two things to a camera that kept all the capabilities of the S52X, put it in a box body, put it at £2,999 and its basically dominating everything within 4k more expensive cameras
I loved my Z Cam when I was rocking that a few years aso but yeah a box like that with killer AF and Panasonic's stabilization would sell pretty good I think. The box is so much better for rigging out and even gimbal work. Pretty sure this would never happen from Panasonic but we can dare to dream lol
im sure they are thinking about it. I am curious how much market share it would spin up vs the mirrorless cameras. it obviously has to be so much cheaper for them to just make their mirrorless cameras video beasts. but who knows. great stuff Caleb! :)
True story bud! LUMIX crushed it with the latest S5ii series. Add the new update. The best hybrid no one knows about. I switched as a photographer 6 months ago to S5ii. Best move I’ve ever made. I could go on and on about all the fantastic features, insane DR. Crazy detail and little noise in shadows. They would kill it with a dedicated cinema camera
Shooting B Raw on the Fujifilm XS20 for about 2 months and loving it. 6k open gate raw video for about 2,000 bucks! Have you messed with B Raw at all yet??
A revival of mini varicams with solid interchangeable lens mount options from full frame to mft or updated Bgh2/Bgs2 or new Eva. Its all possible...hopefully all with phase detect af, built in nd 4/3 open gate anamorphic 6K,12 bit 4.2.2 pro res raw,etc. But dont complain about the price...
Lumix and Blackmagic are a lot more in common than you think. While Blackmagic battles Red, Lumix is battling Sony. With Lumix supporting BRAW and both doing open gate 6K, and part of the L mount alliance, Lumix is going to be gunning for Sony. The Lumix Cinema box cam is undoubtedly coming.
I think the next big thing will be RAW internal. I expect the S1H-II and GH7 will get it. The big question is BRAW, ProRes-RAW, REDCODE RAW or something else. As a hybrid shooter, I'm happy with what we have now. I don't need it to be that heavy with 2000mbps.
Worked with the BS1H and S1H for a few years... love them!! I really think if they can make an "EVA2" but smaller, it'll be a banger or release the S1Hii already lol that'll be the Cine camera. S1H already had the Varicam color science, it just needs a new CPU, and faster readout and PDAF.
The Lumix camera hasn't the same color that the varicam. If you just compare s1h and eva1 you will see a massive difference on color accuracy. Especially skintones black skintones need to be fix on lumix series. The render is more yellow don't match to the reality. Thats is why Sony won the market. Sony camera is now more used to black country than Canon. If you compare the Venice and fx3 the couloir difference isn't not visible. But the varicam compared to lumix would surprise you.
Uh no we don’t need an fx3. That’s exactly what the S5-IIx is. It’s Panasonic’s version of the 3. What we really need is a FX6. Something with internal NDs, SDI outs, and an Ethernet for video over NDI and maybe something like a gold mount out back. No view finder or screen. But this is troublesome because Panasonic would need to develop all new communication mounts for the accessories. That kind of development takes time.
Dont forget the Varicams ! Panadonic already had a cinema line but it disnt worked so they abandonned it....maybe they will come back soon to it but im sure if that
I literally switched to Lumix when the S1 came out for the video quality and pictures. I'f I couldn't take another picture with a Lumix camera I'd still be happy.
Really all they need to do is put the s5 ii x into the BS1H. I have three of those and love them! But they do need 12g SDI and the ability to record to USB-C drives.
Wouldn't mind a cinema camera, but I would hope though they don't forget us that still shoot MFT. One thing I like about the pyxis 6k is it has 2 cf express card slots which I have gotten to like the speed when off loading footage to my computer from the GH6.
To save the L-Mount they need a cinema line. I have been feeling this way for a while. The EVA-1 was there first stab at starting a cinema line. Much like Sony FS5 was the precursor to the Sony Cinema Line. They just needed to fix that autofocus. Lets be serious, the new shooters are going cinema line with the best autofocus from the start so if they don’t go cinema line then Lumix will certainly start to loose customers.
I don’t think we’re going to see one anytime soon. I have the EVA1 from 2018 and while it’s a fantastic camera with gorgeous image quality, it just didn’t take. I think they’ve seen such success with their S5 and GH lines compared to the S1H or BGH1, that I don’t think they’re really interested anymore. They’ve also totally let their varicam line go. I love my S5iiX and I’m not sure there’s anything they could add that would make me want a cinema cam form factor
That’s true! I suppose I’m melding “professional” cameras together vs “prosumer” (S5iiX is absolutely a professional camera btw, but sits in that “prosumer” price range)
Lumix just needs to record internal BRAW or prores since stabilization and auto focus are both great now with the new update. Internal ND would be great too. If the next S1H got these features, it would lliterally beats any sony, red, black magic cameras. I would immediately ditch my 6k pro, I'm interested in Pyxis any way.
Would be amazing! Been hearing rumours that something is brewing. I’ve also been shooting video with Lumix cameras since the birth of the GH4. Love what Panasonic has done with this line. Bring it on…!
Its Time! Blackmagic raw internal recording for Lumix. The partnership has to shine. ( Red and Nikon ) I think red will keep 16-bit prores raw and Nikon will get 12 bit prores Raw internal recording . Lumix and their Partners have to pull up their sleeves. Looking forward to the new Lumix road map!
They just need a S1H mark II, with an extra stop and a half of dynamic range, global shutter, internal ND's, updated autofocus, internal ProRes 4444XQ and ProRes RAW codecs. Still keep it at 6k, as increasing resolution is a gimmick and does nothing.
I guess I am in the minority here, but as an S1H/GH6 owner, I like the body style they offer. All I want is a S1H MK2 with 6K120 with a small crop and 4K120 with no crop. Bring in the GH6 color science and I'll be all set. I skipped the S5II/X because I have almost of that functionality in my S1H and I rarely use AF.
That BM box’s DR is a half stop less than the S5IIX and audio has 1 mini xlr! Maybe they’ll have an adapter to expand that like the lumix camera. Panasonic has a cinema cam…it’s called an EVA1 which has 14 stops of DR. It also has built in ND filters and two full sized XLR inputs etc.…check it out!
@@andersistbesser You can doubt it all you want…but if you check out Cine-D’s testing you see the test results….and just so you know there are different ways you can implement a sensor that can effect DR of the exact same sensor and log profiles can also effect DR….they’er not the same from brand to brand….
Lumix is falling waayyy behind in the cine camera market, yes the S5iix is excellent, but where is the replacement for the S1 and the S1h? Where is the competitor for the fx6 and fx9 or the competition for the excellent new cameras from blackmagic? I'm looking to upgrade from my S1 and I'm thinking of jumping ship to BM or Sony. What I would really like is a 6k version of the C70 If Nikon can produce the Z9 with internal 8k prores and raw, why can't Lumix?
If they were to come up with a cinema camera under 3000 dollars that would have the guts of the S5 II X plus internal ND's and false colours I'd be really interested, if not I would stick to my Canon C70
@@andersistbesser it wouldn"t shoot 12bit raw and would have the same sensor as the S 5 II, not a DGO one, so it would be a "rehousing" of the tech Panasonic already has with just a few extras
They do but it's under the parent name Panasonic. Varicam and Varicam Lt. I know what you are getting at the Varicam is old and hasn't been upgraded. I have EVA1 and that's is under the cinema camera line at Panasonic. Since someone in the comment mentioned that Panasonic merged their Pro with consumer then finally something good might come out of it like you mentioned. The Professional side had guarded their Varicams way too tightly and to the detriment of the company.
I genuinely do not understand the hype behind box cams. Especially by TH-camrs. Ngl it feels so fake. The blackmagic box cam doesn't do anything the pocket camera can't do for 99.99% of use cases. It costs 3k with the same limitations, while hybrid cameras offer so much more and still have greater dynamic range. And the rare features like 48v XLR jack just makes no sense given anything that'd need a XLR setup can be incredibly easily done externally. Both for streaming and recording.
Yes. Both LUMIX box cameras are a good concept but poorly executed. I totally agree with a cinema line: the GH line was considered a cinema camera in the American Cinematographer Manual. Hybrid cameras started this but it’s time to draw the line. I wrote to LUMIX like one month ago addressing some of the points mentioned. Now I’m feeling a sense of community.
Allthough i make money with my gh5 doing lots of video , i dont want a cinema camera. I bought a lmix because it is a hybrid camera. I do photos and video. I want my camera doing this. They hybrid thing is what we lumix people love panasonic for. If we wanted a cinema camera we would own one already. I dont want a camera that can do less for more money.
I need some not sony, not canon company to give me: 6k open gate 4k 120 UNCROPPED low rolling shutter 14+ stops of DR in a box cam SDI 2 XLR 3 card slots w/ SSD ability (prefer vlog or Black magic) SURE ADD AF but we DONT NEED IT w/ DJI focus pro. WITH EITHER internal ND or panasonic's IBIS. I UNDERSTAND that we cannot have both. but damn it, give us one of those. thoughts?
Panasonic really already has cinema camera. Maybe you just want a new version. But to be honest, if they did it, most would be able to afford it. The FX3 is a consumer camera, it is not a professional cinema camera. Seems you are looking for a different body style. List your specs, then it might make sense. This was a ramble about nothing honestly.
Lumix need to fix a major issue on their camera color science for black skintones. The Lumix camera hasn't the same color that the varicam. If you just compare s1h and eva1 you will see a massive difference on color accuracy. Especially skintones black skintones need to be fix on lumix series. The render is more yellow don't match to the reality. Thats is why Sony won the market. Sony camera is now more used to black country than Canon. If you compare the Venice and fx3 the couloir difference isn't not visible. But the varicam compared to lumix would surprise you.
What you're proposing here makes 100%, unequivocal, logical, smart consumer sense. Loose the whole hybrid thing. Honestly... how many "photographers" choose m4/3 or S series for their professional photographic or hobby needs?! Uhhh....I'll tell ya....None. It's all primarily Canon and Nikon... and for good reason. Free up the body from its seldom used "hybrid necessities" and fill that space with cinema feature extensions and capabilities. I've shot with and owned Lumix cameras since the GH2 all the way to the GH6. For crying out loud, the combined shutter count of all 5 of my GH cameras...is like..... 23
Yes, we know Panasonic has announced 3 new cameras in China, one being a new line of cameras that will be officially announced in May. So no need for prophecy.
This is a terrible idea. What makes Lumix the best is they don't need to worry about monopolizing their upper line like Sony and Canon does, so they give us everything they don't need to worry about hurting more expensive camera sales. Reason #2 this would be bad is because Panasonic isn't exactly winning right now. They need to focus on the current road amazing cameras that are hybrid. You are dreaming we do not need a cinema camera from them. Remember the BGH1? Yeah not a lot of people do.
Would be cool, but since AI video generation may kill all cinema production (the low end at least), probably not a good investment of their resources right now. Thank.
I was hoping for the EVA 2
I want more like the C70. More compact, but with internal NDs, internal BRAW or ProRes Raw, bigger battery, and timecode. Add the S1H hinge screen and it’d be perfect 👌
Totally agree, I recently bought a Canon c70 because the Panasonic don't have a camera like c70 😂
Don't forget too, Panasonic officially merged their professional and consumer imaging/video divisions on April 1st of this year. They are primed and ready to start working on a Lumix cinema camera.
if they started now, we will get a camera in 3-4 years
@@coin777 Oh I'm sure they've already been working on one... I mean, have you actually ever really played with a GH6? That thing has a dual gain sensor (not dual ISO) like an Arri Alexa. That, on top of all of the codecs and formats... and they made that just in the Lumix division. Imagine a box with that technology, but full frame. It would be unstoppable!
As someone that owns a Varicam LT, I do want the legacy sensor in at least one of the bodies with L mount. Thought it will probably be an updated S1H sensor with an OLPF. The older sensors handle color and texture in a unique way
@@guidedvisionsmedia a reason I’m thinking about getting the varicam 35 considering how much affordable they are used now
I been saying this for a long time I’m so hyped
I am so ready for one. And there was a rumor today from Andrea pizzini discussing a new Lumix camera coming in may....
In fact, a cinema camera is just a camera optimized for team work. It has SDI 12G ports for monitors for the Camera assistants, for the director and the script. It has XLR for documentary uses, it has RAW internally, V-MOUNT batteries, ND and an EVF ! The EVF is very important for shoulder rig uses ! So if you need a cinema camera, it is a totally different work flow. But if you need an FX3 style camera, the S5IIX is already this style because it has even more features for video than the FX3.
If we can get a cinema camera from lumix with all the things from the last firmware, internal ND filters and this new great autofocus, I would sell all my stuff o get it, lumix has been full of surprises lately and the new firmware could be coming from something they are already working on, and this thing could be the cinema camera🤞thanks for the video bro
I want Lumix's answer to the FX6, feel like the S5iiX is already lumix version of the FX3. We just need that slightly bumped up version.
There's so much that Lumix could do at this point! They have the perfect recipe to take it anywhere ! Also, your audio is sounding crispy dude!
I would love to see a cinema line from Panasonic. I know they have the AU-EVA1 and VariCam. But, if they can come up a Panasonic version of the Komodo X or PYXIS, or even a C70 like camera with internal NDs, I would definitely be interested. Could it be what the big announcement coming in May is for? That would be cool.
I've owned the Panasonic BGH1 and loved it despite the quirks. The BGH1 is probably the cinema camera you want because of the price. Next one up is the BS1H. Then AU-EVA1, which has been out forever. Then the VariCams.
There is a huge difference between the BGH1 and the Pyxis. The BGH1 has no buttons and is designed for remote control in a multi cam environment or it has to be rigged up and be controlled with a touch screen. The Pyxis has lots of buttons that are preferable for cameras that are operated manually.
I love the BGH1. It fits my workflow for multiple styles of shooting
I’m primed for the organic sensor. That sensor negates the need for ND filters. It is also global shutter. That’s what I would love to see from Panasonic.
the s1h is technically a cinema camera... full frame, can shoot in 6k prores raw, and also netflix approved
It has neither XLR nor ND.
Panasonic, if you do this, please make it 4k 120fps
sure but with m43 crop
I am SO ready for a LUMIX cine-line camera. My set-up consists of a S5iix and two GH6 for multicam but some agencies only want cinema cam’s under client requests and it would elevate my business to be able to get those gigs!
Yeah it’s called the BGH1 I already own, and spec for spec it’s already on par with the Pyxis and out performs it in many ways! Same dynamic range, better low light and rolling shutter performance, hdmi, and RAW if you want it. I just purchased the portkeys monitor for controls, but realised it doesn’t really make that much difference.
m43 < full frame
@@jimgiraffe5253I am genuinely curious what you see as the benefit of Full Frame over MFT in the case of the Pyxis if they have the same claimed dynamic range, but the Pyxis has worse low light performance and rolling shutter?
Yes the BGH1 has phenomenal low light performances
It’s so close to perfect. I actually like the hybrid design, for me what is needed is faster
The s5iix is already in the style of a fx3. Panasonic should release a cube-esque cinema camera with an EVF, ND filter, proper I/O, 32 bit float ,Varicam color science, PDAF and their renowned IBIS.
I’ve had a BS1H for over a year now, and it’s an amazing camera. Definitely could use some tweaks though. Would love an updated version.
I would love this so much. I've been a Lumix shooter since the GH4. A Lumix cinema line would be a dream!
Panasonic has already a cinema camera. They have merged both divisions, but we don't know what does exactly that mean (just cutting costs or really joining capabilities). We know that consumer cameras have been replaced by mobile phones, so it makes sense to move to the professional market (even though it is far smaller). In conclusion, I don't know if these are good or bad news. We will see that is the future roadmap for Lumix cameras. Cheers!
I have worked with the S5, so 100% a Lumix for me.
This year I'm definitely joining the Lumix-family. For the most part thanks to you, mr. Caleb
There is so much gear hysteria noise and I get hit by it myself. There are definitely some super cool things about the BlackMagic Pyxis 6K if you only need to film. But I have owned both a BlackMagic and a Canon to take pictures with and realized that I am more into a good hybrid solution. Because I already have a lot of EF glass, I chose the Canon R5C. With this setup, I can switch between photo mode and film with a simple button. Therefore, I do not need to buy into a new solution. We are spoiled for choice when it comes to equipment these days. We can do the most with what we have and achieve top class if we prepare well beforehand. Thanks for your thoughts and sharing.
Indeed. Panasonic and L-Mount more and more turn out to be a great boat to be in. btw: i was wondering if the Freefly Systems thought about joining since sony did not allow them to further use E-Mount...
my GH6 and S5 (OG) showed me, that i prefer Hybrid for Travel but dedicated Video Cams for "real" Video shots
My Multicam-Setup is mostly BlackMagic, with a JVC LS300 as a backup
it's a hustle to add the lumix cameras into the mix (e.G.) HDMI-delay...
My Dream Setup would be:
- FF EVA 2
- M43 EVA mini
- BGH2 (to add for Multicam... with a display preferably)
- S5Rii (or a new rangefinder highRes model) and the G9ii for Photos, Travel, Handheld B-Roll and Backup
the potential is exciting for sure
I dont typically comment often but...
1. Rear VND patent for Lumix
2. Better app contorl
If Lumix added these two things to a camera that kept all the capabilities of the S52X, put it in a box body, put it at £2,999 and its basically dominating everything within 4k more expensive cameras
I loved my Z Cam when I was rocking that a few years aso but yeah a box like that with killer AF and Panasonic's stabilization would sell pretty good I think. The box is so much better for rigging out and even gimbal work. Pretty sure this would never happen from Panasonic but we can dare to dream lol
im sure they are thinking about it. I am curious how much market share it would spin up vs the mirrorless cameras.
it obviously has to be so much cheaper for them to just make their mirrorless cameras video beasts. but who knows.
great stuff Caleb! :)
I've been waiting for a lumix cinema camera for a while. Can't wait!
True story bud! LUMIX crushed it with the latest S5ii series. Add the new update. The best hybrid no one knows about. I switched as a photographer 6 months ago to S5ii. Best move I’ve ever made. I could go on and on about all the fantastic features, insane DR. Crazy detail and little noise in shadows. They would kill it with a dedicated cinema camera
Shooting B Raw on the Fujifilm XS20 for about 2 months and loving it. 6k open gate raw video for about 2,000 bucks! Have you messed with B Raw at all yet??
A revival of mini varicams with solid interchangeable lens mount options from full frame to mft or updated Bgh2/Bgs2 or new Eva. Its all possible...hopefully all with phase detect af, built in nd 4/3 open gate anamorphic 6K,12 bit 4.2.2 pro res raw,etc.
But dont complain about the price...
Do we "need?", no but do we "want?". YES!
If the new generation of S and GH came with global shutter, for example, then we need.
The thing that is missing for me is internal ND filters - a Cinima-style box camera would be so excellent.
Lumix and Blackmagic are a lot more in common than you think. While Blackmagic battles Red, Lumix is battling Sony. With Lumix supporting BRAW and both doing open gate 6K, and part of the L mount alliance, Lumix is going to be gunning for Sony. The Lumix Cinema box cam is undoubtedly coming.
I think the next big thing will be RAW internal. I expect the S1H-II and GH7 will get it. The big question is BRAW, ProRes-RAW, REDCODE RAW or something else.
As a hybrid shooter, I'm happy with what we have now. I don't need it to be that heavy with 2000mbps.
Worked with the BS1H and S1H for a few years... love them!! I really think if they can make an "EVA2" but smaller, it'll be a banger or release the S1Hii already lol that'll be the Cine camera. S1H already had the Varicam color science, it just needs a new CPU, and faster readout and PDAF.
The Lumix camera hasn't the same color that the varicam. If you just compare s1h and eva1 you will see a massive difference on color accuracy. Especially skintones black skintones need to be fix on lumix series. The render is more yellow don't match to the reality. Thats is why Sony won the market. Sony camera is now more used to black country than Canon.
If you compare the Venice and fx3 the couloir difference isn't not visible. But the varicam compared to lumix would surprise you.
Why not. Competition is always a good think. If they drop FX6 competition hope FX6 price would drop 30% :D.
A consumer cine cam would be nice. Fx3 style. And a compact photo hybrid camera.
Uh no we don’t need an fx3. That’s exactly what the S5-IIx is. It’s Panasonic’s version of the 3.
What we really need is a FX6. Something with internal NDs, SDI outs, and an Ethernet for video over NDI and maybe something like a gold mount out back. No view finder or screen.
But this is troublesome because Panasonic would need to develop all new communication mounts for the accessories. That kind of development takes time.
Hopefully Lumix does come out with something like that. I just hope that it doesn't have an imx410 sensor.
Dont forget the Varicams ! Panadonic already had a cinema line but it disnt worked so they abandonned it....maybe they will come back soon to it but im sure if that
I literally switched to Lumix when the S1 came out for the video quality and pictures. I'f I couldn't take another picture with a Lumix camera I'd still be happy.
They already have a box cam with the BS1H but a new one would be awesome! S1H II and BS1H II are what I'm really waiting for from the camera world!
Yes, we need a Panasonic cinema camera ASAP!
Really all they need to do is put the s5 ii x into the BS1H. I have three of those and love them! But they do need 12g SDI and the ability to record to USB-C drives.
Bgh1 features and i/0, but with internal eND, 4inch articulated screen, with g9 II sensor and AF.
Wouldn't mind a cinema camera, but I would hope though they don't forget us that still shoot MFT. One thing I like about the pyxis 6k is it has 2 cf express card slots which I have gotten to like the speed when off loading footage to my computer from the GH6.
To save the L-Mount they need a cinema line. I have been feeling this way for a while. The EVA-1 was there first stab at starting a cinema line. Much like Sony FS5 was the precursor to the Sony Cinema Line. They just needed to fix that autofocus. Lets be serious, the new shooters are going cinema line with the best autofocus from the start so if they don’t go cinema line then Lumix will certainly start to loose customers.
I don’t think we’re going to see one anytime soon. I have the EVA1 from 2018 and while it’s a fantastic camera with gorgeous image quality, it just didn’t take. I think they’ve seen such success with their S5 and GH lines compared to the S1H or BGH1, that I don’t think they’re really interested anymore. They’ve also totally let their varicam line go. I love my S5iiX and I’m not sure there’s anything they could add that would make me want a cinema cam form factor
Thb BGH1 is not a true cine Cam it’s more a gh5s/ii in another body
Don’t judge me
@@enricovogt4274 Yep! It's just a multicam studio box, not a cine cam... more for broadcasting and livestreaming than anything else.
That’s true! I suppose I’m melding “professional” cameras together vs “prosumer”
(S5iiX is absolutely a professional camera btw, but sits in that “prosumer” price range)
My BGH1 only is missing like a side touch screen.
Lumix just needs to record internal BRAW or prores since stabilization and auto focus are both great now with the new update. Internal ND would be great too. If the next S1H got these features, it would lliterally beats any sony, red, black magic cameras. I would immediately ditch my 6k pro, I'm interested in Pyxis any way.
Would be amazing! Been hearing rumours that something is brewing.
I’ve also been shooting video with Lumix cameras since the birth of the GH4.
Love what Panasonic has done with this line.
Bring it on…!
Will it make sense for Lumix to release a BS1H MarkII with the updates release to the S5IIX??
Whats your setting?? look so clean
Its Time!
Blackmagic raw internal recording for Lumix. The partnership has to shine.
( Red and Nikon ) I think red will keep 16-bit prores raw and Nikon will get 12 bit prores Raw internal recording .
Lumix and their Partners have to pull up their sleeves. Looking forward to the new Lumix road map!
They just need a S1H mark II, with an extra stop and a half of dynamic range, global shutter, internal ND's, updated autofocus, internal ProRes 4444XQ and ProRes RAW codecs. Still keep it at 6k, as increasing resolution is a gimmick and does nothing.
yeeeaaah dude I agree! I want to see a cinema line!
I guess I am in the minority here, but as an S1H/GH6 owner, I like the body style they offer. All I want is a S1H MK2 with 6K120 with a small crop and 4K120 with no crop. Bring in the GH6 color science and I'll be all set. I skipped the S5II/X because I have almost of that functionality in my S1H and I rarely use AF.
That BM box’s DR is a half stop less than the S5IIX and audio has 1 mini xlr! Maybe they’ll have an adapter to expand that like the lumix camera. Panasonic has a cinema cam…it’s called an EVA1 which has 14 stops of DR. It also has built in ND filters and two full sized XLR inputs etc.…check it out!
Both share the same sensor so i highly doubt there is any difference in dynamic range at all. Its just numbers dont take them to serious.
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While a half fstop may not be a deal breaker……in itself …. this new camera is a ways off from being a cinema camera feature wise….
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You can doubt it all you want…but if you check out Cine-D’s testing you see the test results….and just so you know there are different ways you can implement a sensor that can effect DR of the exact same sensor and log profiles can also effect DR….they’er not the same from brand to brand….
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Sorry dude…you are not correct….but doubt it all you want….
Dude your audio sounds crisppp 🔥
priming the audience with your insider lumix knowledge... create the hype, kolle3t bag of cash.
The lumix gods are pleased with you!
Lumix is falling waayyy behind in the cine camera market, yes the S5iix is excellent, but where is the replacement for the S1 and the S1h?
Where is the competitor for the fx6 and fx9 or the competition for the excellent new cameras from blackmagic?
I'm looking to upgrade from my S1 and I'm thinking of jumping ship to BM or Sony. What I would really like is a 6k version of the C70
If Nikon can produce the Z9 with internal 8k prores and raw, why can't Lumix?
An S1H II would make my numbers go 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🌕
I’m beyond surprised we don’t have one yet
BS1H II/BS2H, S1H II/S2H = Internal Raw, Built in NDs, 6k 50/60fps with no crop + Lumix' Phase detect. YES PLEASE!
Don't ask for it too soon 😂 we should do a podcast on this topic though
DO IT!
The GH6 problem, I’ve heard your podcast! Please talk more of m4/3 🙏🏻
If they were to come up with a cinema camera under 3000 dollars that would have the guts of the S5 II X plus internal ND's and false colours I'd be really interested, if not I would stick to my Canon C70
Sou you want something better than the c70 for much less money.. wont happen!
With EL zone system. Better than false color
@@andersistbesser it wouldn"t shoot 12bit raw and would have the same sensor as the S 5 II, not a DGO one, so it would be a "rehousing" of the tech Panasonic already has with just a few extras
S5iiX is good enough for me for the foreseeable future.
They do but it's under the parent name Panasonic. Varicam and Varicam Lt. I know what you are getting at the Varicam is old and hasn't been upgraded. I have EVA1 and that's is under the cinema camera line at Panasonic. Since someone in the comment mentioned that Panasonic merged their Pro with consumer then finally something good might come out of it like you mentioned. The Professional side had guarded their Varicams way too tightly and to the detriment of the company.
Love this discussion!
And keep developing great mft cameras hibrid and cinespecific please!!
I genuinely do not understand the hype behind box cams. Especially by TH-camrs. Ngl it feels so fake. The blackmagic box cam doesn't do anything the pocket camera can't do for 99.99% of use cases. It costs 3k with the same limitations, while hybrid cameras offer so much more and still have greater dynamic range. And the rare features like 48v XLR jack just makes no sense given anything that'd need a XLR setup can be incredibly easily done externally. Both for streaming and recording.
An Eva2 would be perfect.
Lumix need 2 more bodies: a smaller A7C sized body, and a FX3 competitor. We can let BMD have the box- cause cinema is all that they do.
The iix is better than fx3 I think. Sure there’s a 4k crop but then again it has internal gimbal which fx3 doesn’t do well
@@quadeemhall5297 I’m not talking about features. But having a cinema body.
I really want the s5iix to have Braw internally
You don’t like the ssd? lol and it’s no cfast so idk how they could do it
Add only one thing : a stacked sensor !!!!
Well with LUMIX assimilating VariCam, it's very real I think. They wouldn't want to compete with VariCam before that.
We just need and EVA 2 or EVA pro
I need software update for 4k 60fps no crop and lumix video raw same braw or red or arri alexa or braw intrernal with ssd no monitor
you didnt you use blackmagic view assist instead ninja ???????????
There is already lumix cinema cameras
Future Spenser Sakurai is that you?
a modular rigged out camera for cinema and stills should be very possible...if someone will just make it. the best of camera/camcorder
Yes. Both LUMIX box cameras are a good concept but poorly executed. I totally agree with a cinema line: the GH line was considered a cinema camera in the American Cinematographer Manual. Hybrid cameras started this but it’s time to draw the line. I wrote to LUMIX like one month ago addressing some of the points mentioned. Now I’m feeling a sense of community.
Allthough i make money with my gh5 doing lots of video , i dont want a cinema camera. I bought a lmix because it is a hybrid camera. I do photos and video. I want my camera doing this. They hybrid thing is what we lumix people love panasonic for. If we wanted a cinema camera we would own one already. I dont want a camera that can do less for more money.
Share your points completely
I need some not sony, not canon company to give me:
6k open gate
4k 120 UNCROPPED
low rolling shutter
14+ stops of DR
in a box cam
SDI
2 XLR
3 card slots
w/ SSD ability
(prefer vlog or Black magic)
SURE ADD AF
but we DONT NEED IT
w/ DJI focus pro.
WITH EITHER internal ND or panasonic's IBIS.
I UNDERSTAND that we cannot have both. but damn it, give us one of those.
thoughts?
2 card slots****** (oh and make this cam $3k or less)
You can have both, as this camera wouldn't have a shutter. Burano has both with E-mount, and E-mount is shorter than L-mount.
Panasonic really already has cinema camera. Maybe you just want a new version. But to be honest, if they did it, most would be able to afford it. The FX3 is a consumer camera, it is not a professional cinema camera. Seems you are looking for a different body style. List your specs, then it might make sense. This was a ramble about nothing honestly.
Bs1h II!!
(two seconds in) YES FINALLY.
Lumix need to fix a major issue on their camera color science for black skintones.
The Lumix camera hasn't the same color that the varicam. If you just compare s1h and eva1 you will see a massive difference on color accuracy. Especially skintones black skintones need to be fix on lumix series. The render is more yellow don't match to the reality. Thats is why Sony won the market. Sony camera is now more used to black country than Canon.
If you compare the Venice and fx3 the couloir difference isn't not visible. But the varicam compared to lumix would surprise you.
What you're proposing here makes 100%, unequivocal, logical, smart consumer sense. Loose the whole hybrid thing. Honestly... how many "photographers" choose m4/3 or S series for their professional photographic or hobby needs?! Uhhh....I'll tell ya....None. It's all primarily Canon and Nikon... and for good reason. Free up the body from its seldom used "hybrid necessities" and fill that space with cinema feature extensions and capabilities. I've shot with and owned Lumix cameras since the GH2 all the way to the GH6. For crying out loud, the combined shutter count of all 5 of my GH cameras...is like..... 23
dude. hwo are you? why I see you?
here me out, if you removed the photography features from it, then it wouldn't even be Lumix anymore than a Varricam is.
what we really need is a global shutter like sony now has.
Yes, we know Panasonic has announced 3 new cameras in China, one being a new line of cameras that will be officially announced in May. So no need for prophecy.
4:50 With you talking with your hands like this, at this point you should just velcro that microphone to your beard.
Do you know something not official to tell :) :) haha. But its a idea. Not see any video about the new FW
This is a terrible idea. What makes Lumix the best is they don't need to worry about monopolizing their upper line like Sony and Canon does, so they give us everything they don't need to worry about hurting more expensive camera sales. Reason #2 this would be bad is because Panasonic isn't exactly winning right now. They need to focus on the current road amazing cameras that are hybrid. You are dreaming we do not need a cinema camera from them. Remember the BGH1? Yeah not a lot of people do.
Would be cool, but since AI video generation may kill all cinema production (the low end at least), probably not a good investment of their resources right now. Thank.
bait and switch