To me there is no differnce. Both look disgusting in my eyes. I want a clean image. Its so funny people glorify technical shortcomings of old cameras (film grain/halation) and other low tech artefacts.
@@andersistbesser Agree. They buy a Sony FX3 ($4000) and a 24-70 f/2.8 ($2200) but then throw on a $100 filter to make it look blurrier and make the highlights "bloom" like how lenses used to do in the 70s, throw on film grain simulation, and ta-da, they've made their video look like it was shot on a 15 year old Lumix GH3. It's the same guys who won't use anything other than full frame because of the "noise" but then they add film grain simulations onto their footage that looks like noise anyways. It's hilarious.
It should be great if in a future FIRMWARE UPDATE we could be able to lower up to -5 sharpness on the GH6 & S5II AND X to get that Cinematic SOFT texture like the GH5 when recording on VLOG.
You can do down to ISO 500 / 400 / 320 (vlog) with the extended ISO setting. It is the same in any other profile ( -1/2). This can be very useful if your ND filter is not sufficient, you have forgotten it, etc.. Cheers ✌
Its as if your read my mind. Wanted to get a better understanding of Dule Iso. And how the reduce Noise. Always enjoying watching your videos. Starlight to the point and informative
Personally I mostly use 640 even in some low light situations because even if I lift up exposure in post +1 or +2 EV it still gives me great results. The main reason for this is that I find a bit difficult to recover slightly overexposed highlights when recording using iso 4000 (like some concert situations, especially skin tones). But overall both image and camera are insane.
Awesome video, as always, could you please do same video but for GH7? I was filming recently outside 9PM in low light, could not keep low ISO so I got to like 3200 - 6400 and is grainy as... Is there anything I can do about it? Thanks!
Hello, I only shoot at 640 and 4000 iso in the Vlog and I have a lot of noise in the image, so how is this possible? Regarding the light, it wasn't so bad, and still the image is quite noisy in post-production 🙈
Btw if you want clean shadows on the S5ii, make sure your scene has enough light for +2EV minimum. This is known as exposing to the right. Depends on your lenses. If you’re sitting at 2.8, then shooting indoors at 4000 iso will get you +1/3 EV. To get the best signal to noise ratio you want at least +2EV. This is so you can bring down the exposure in post which will make the noise floor disappear into the blacks, giving you a clean image. (TLDR ETTR)
ISO "frequency"? Who uses that term? ASA/ISO in film is the sensitivity of the emulsion to light, in digital cameras is equivalent to gain - no frequencies anywhere!?
Hey Caleb great vid, I shoot wedding videos and real estate, somehow I get a substantial amount of noise in V-Log at ISO 4000, however I have the dual native ISO on auto and I adjust it manually, I only shoot in 640 or 4000 does it need to be selected as low or high or can I also manually adjust it? For some reason my ISO 4000 is very noisy. Thank in advance
I have notice this too when i shoot at 4000. My thinking is that with V log you have to have as much light as possible. Then use an ND filter to bring it down so it looks good. When it comes to client work I use the natural profile as I don't want to use V log incase i get footage that is noisy.
Depends on your lenses. If you’re sitting at 2.8, then shooting indoors at 4000 iso will get you +1/3 EV. To get the best signal to noise ratio you want at least +2EV. This is so you can bring down the exposure in post which will make the noise floor disappear into the blacks, giving you a clean image. You can either bring lights to the weddings to add more light, get a brighter aperture lens (usually a prime lens f1.4), or bring up your iso to 12,800 (maximum) for +2EV and then bring down the exposure in post.
@@orinorio1 yes, whenever possible +2EV in VLOG. ETTR is common practice on many film sets for this reason: clean shadows and no noise. Unless your shooting real time lut or natural profile, I advise 2 stops over.
Thanks for your video. I have learned a lot about my lumix s5iix from you. But i would like you to make a video about all of the codecs we have for shooting video. Which one is the best for every situation. Please. :P
@@dinosbitsios FROM LUMIX: Motion pictures with 72Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with SD Speed Class with Class 10 or Video Speed Class 10 or higher Motion pictures with 200Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with UHS-I / UHS-II UHS Speed Class 3 (U3) or Video Speed Class 30 or higher Motion pictures with 400Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with Video Speed Class 60 or higher Motion pictures with 600Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with Video Speed Class 90 Motion pictures with 800Mbps or more or ProRes: External USB-SSD
Do you have a video about shooting and editing RAW photos on your s5iix? I just got my s5iix and I know flat color profiles are good for dynamic range, but it's almost too flat, I have to put contrast at 100 and saturation on ~35-40 just to get some accurate colors... any tips?
I love grainy videos.I even add a lot of grain in my TH-cam videos in post 😃 I bet you mean digital noise...
To me there is no differnce. Both look disgusting in my eyes. I want a clean image. Its so funny people glorify technical shortcomings of old cameras (film grain/halation) and other low tech artefacts.
@@andersistbesser Agree. They buy a Sony FX3 ($4000) and a 24-70 f/2.8 ($2200) but then throw on a $100 filter to make it look blurrier and make the highlights "bloom" like how lenses used to do in the 70s, throw on film grain simulation, and ta-da, they've made their video look like it was shot on a 15 year old Lumix GH3. It's the same guys who won't use anything other than full frame because of the "noise" but then they add film grain simulations onto their footage that looks like noise anyways. It's hilarious.
@@yousefcreative haha ja it sounds so funny if you hear it.
It should be great if in a future FIRMWARE UPDATE we could be able to lower up to -5 sharpness on the GH6 & S5II AND X to get that Cinematic SOFT texture like the GH5 when recording on VLOG.
You can do down to ISO 500 / 400 / 320 (vlog) with the extended ISO setting. It is the same in any other profile ( -1/2). This can be very useful if your ND filter is not sufficient, you have forgotten it, etc..
Cheers ✌
Better to just stop down aperture for nose performance, but useful for photos I guess
I was ready to hear about a denoise plug-in. Great info as always Caleb.
Its as if your read my mind. Wanted to get a better understanding of Dule Iso. And how the reduce Noise. Always enjoying watching your videos. Starlight to the point and informative
Personally I mostly use 640 even in some low light situations because even if I lift up exposure in post +1 or +2 EV it still gives me great results. The main reason for this is that I find a bit difficult to recover slightly overexposed highlights when recording using iso 4000 (like some concert situations, especially skin tones). But overall both image and camera are insane.
Awesome video, as always, could you please do same video but for GH7? I was filming recently outside 9PM in low light, could not keep low ISO so I got to like 3200 - 6400 and is grainy as... Is there anything I can do about it? Thanks!
Hello, I only shoot at 640 and 4000 iso in the Vlog and I have a lot of noise in the image, so how is this possible? Regarding the light, it wasn't so bad, and still the image is quite noisy in post-production 🙈
Same issue here. It’s driving me crazy. Constantly avoiding V-Log for this reason.
Btw if you want clean shadows on the S5ii, make sure your scene has enough light for +2EV minimum. This is known as exposing to the right.
Depends on your lenses. If you’re sitting at 2.8, then shooting indoors at 4000 iso will get you +1/3 EV. To get the best signal to noise ratio you want at least +2EV. This is so you can bring down the exposure in post which will make the noise floor disappear into the blacks, giving you a clean image.
(TLDR ETTR)
Hello, could we write in a private message and explain the ISO a little better in the Vlog? Thank you very much
@@Ondra_Films 1. look up exposing to the right
2. Only use base iso of 640 or 4000
3. Compensate for light with aperture or ND
Can i shoot in Natural Profile and other whit Dual Native Iso in the S5II? Or only in V-log?
I use natural a lot and I don’t stick to the dual ISO’s
ISO "frequency"? Who uses that term? ASA/ISO in film is the sensitivity of the emulsion to light, in digital cameras is equivalent to gain - no frequencies anywhere!?
Hey Caleb great vid, I shoot wedding videos and real estate, somehow I get a substantial amount of noise in V-Log at ISO 4000, however I have the dual native ISO on auto and I adjust it manually, I only shoot in 640 or 4000 does it need to be selected as low or high or can I also manually adjust it? For some reason my ISO 4000 is very noisy. Thank in advance
I have notice this too when i shoot at 4000. My thinking is that with V log you have to have as much light as possible. Then use an ND filter to bring it down so it looks good. When it comes to client work I use the natural profile as I don't want to use V log incase i get footage that is noisy.
Depends on your lenses. If you’re sitting at 2.8, then shooting indoors at 4000 iso will get you +1/3 EV. To get the best signal to noise ratio you want at least +2EV. This is so you can bring down the exposure in post which will make the noise floor disappear into the blacks, giving you a clean image.
You can either bring lights to the weddings to add more light, get a brighter aperture lens (usually a prime lens f1.4), or bring up your iso to 12,800 (maximum) for +2EV and then bring down the exposure in post.
@@CartyCantDance so is it always best to shoot over +2 stops.
@@orinorio1 yes, whenever possible +2EV in VLOG. ETTR is common practice on many film sets for this reason: clean shadows and no noise.
Unless your shooting real time lut or natural profile, I advise 2 stops over.
@@CartyCantDance thanks. Assuming keeping it under ÷6 also helps. Will try this out next time
You didnt talk about the AUTO option? do you ever choose that?
That’s auto iso exposure, gives you less control.
Thanks for your video. I have learned a lot about my lumix s5iix from you. But i would like you to make a video about all of the codecs we have for shooting video. Which one is the best for every situation. Please. :P
For the best possible IQ and flexibility in editing, choose an All-Intra 422 codec. For smaller files, choose Long-GOP.
@@Studiotek Also I have a Sandisk memory card with 170 mbs writing speed, is that ok for those codecs or not even close.
@@dinosbitsios FROM LUMIX:
Motion pictures with 72Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with SD Speed Class with Class 10 or Video Speed Class 10 or higher
Motion pictures with 200Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with UHS-I / UHS-II UHS Speed Class 3 (U3) or Video Speed Class 30 or higher
Motion pictures with 400Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with Video Speed Class 60 or higher
Motion pictures with 600Mbps or less: External USB-SSD, SD memory card with Video Speed Class 90
Motion pictures with 800Mbps or more or ProRes: External USB-SSD
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Do you have a video about shooting and editing RAW photos on your s5iix? I just got my s5iix and I know flat color profiles are good for dynamic range, but it's almost too flat, I have to put contrast at 100 and saturation on ~35-40 just to get some accurate colors... any tips?
Hi Caleb. What would you say is the highest ISO you'd go in the natural profile?
Thank you.
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Amazing this is great to know 🙏
Great tip!
Not true, at 4000 there is noise, fine usable noise, but there is noise!
This man is clearly as wizard 😮👌
I just use an A7SIII and no grain.
Great suggestion… where is the A7SIII setting in my S5iiX menu? lol.
@@clintstuckey 😂