XX Legion 'Alpha Legion': Origins & History (Wahammer 40K & Horus Heresy Lore)
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- Being as true a record as can possibly be complied on the origins and early history of the XX Legion Astartes, the occluded and sinister Alpha Legion.
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Maybe the real Alpharius was the friends we made along the way
Lamb priceles
@Yaroslav L And boops. Dont forget the boops!
I think you just won the Internet
I mean... That may be literally true
Maybe the real legion was the friends Alpharius made along the way.
Raven Guard: we are the masters of stealth, we are the hidden blade, as silent as shadows and as untraceable as a raven on a moonless night.
A Nearby Unassuming Janitorial Servitor: *chuckles internally*
Will Rogers I don’t get it
@@stephenpaccone8120 Alpharius in disguise intensives
SeraphimRoad lol I’m new to this game , I’m just really enjoying the lore and the community seems to have a wonderful sense of humor , hail ceasar
Or maybe more like: Raven Guard 1: We are the night, we are the shadow, we are the last thing the enemy sees before his death! Raven Guard 2: HAIL HYDRA! *BLAM BLAM BLAM*
@@Skylifter1000 Hydra Dominatus!
You know it's bad when even Konrad Curze reckons you're a bit dodgy
Say what you want about kurz but he was very clear about it too lol.
@Fenrir to include conrad as it turns ot lol
@Fenrir and was he wrong?????
Konrad had a "nose" for liars. it's part of why he was supposed to be the Emperor's "inescapable judge/judgement"
Konrad thought his own shadow was a bit dodgy.
"Alpharius was Here."
Omegon Dressed as a random Salamander.
It's tough being an Alpha Legion fan because folks assume it's just because the memes. The aesthetic is just so good looking and the visual of a mostly uncorrupted (visually) traitor Legion is refreshing.
That's true, and aside from that, don't forget the memes! :D
I think the alpha legions aren't traitors. I think they're the emperor's long game. Stabbing chaos in the back at literally every turn. My best example is "Vraks" where the alpha legions feeds literally dozen or two warbands of bunch of different traitor groups including plague marines, and iron warrior warbands, and the best yet is they feed traitor TITANS into a campaign that they know will end in imperial victory. Causing basically an entire traitor titan legion to be lost, multiple warbands almost completely destroyed, if not completely...And then sat back and watched the show. It was the most troll move possible. And the best part is because they made it seem like it was an actual fight, no one on the traitor side would be the wiser that they were fed into a perfect killing zone.
@@NeiasaurusCreations They are full on traitors, read some of the newer stuff about them, specifically about the Unsung. They pretty much hate the emperor and think the whole of the imperium are idiots beneath them. GW is also retconning some of the "I am Alpharius" memes and they are more or less a proper Traitor Legion. If they still have a grand plan it's probably to take over the whole imperium rather than leave it to the Emperor, other Primarchs or Abaddon.
@@nitogame I dunno know. Alpha legion has always been seemingly betraying other legions. I don't think they can retconn everything like the alpha legion feeding more traitors into vraks despite knowing it was a one way trip for most of them. Besides, I don't particularly enjoy massive retcons. But I was again referring to the iron warriors that switched back to the imperium and sacrificed their lives for it.
The people that think they are unironically loyal need to rethink their mental state
I remember one time me and my battle brothers were coming back from a mission, and our Chaplain said to us, "Why do you always carry flamers, even when you're not on a mission?"
My battle brothers and I answered, "In case of Alpha Legion infiltrators."
The Chaplain laughed.
We laughed.
The Techmarines laughed.
The Alpha Legion infiltrator laughed.
We killed the Alpha Legion infiltrator.
And then we sent our own report back to the Alpha Legion.
🤣🤣
Genuinely enjoyed this comment, thank you friend 🙏.
You _say_ "Ave Imperator" and "Gloria Excelsis Terra", but I know you're really _thinking_ "Hydra Dominatus"...
I am alpharius.
he might have not said it, but are you sure he wasnt thinking it?????????????
im alphy btw
I am alpharius
Marine1: I order assault with 3 full companies on planet X
Marine2: Who do you think you are to give such order?
Marine1: Well, I´m Alpharius
Marine2: Jeez, here we go again
Lol
Imagine "I'm dirty Dan" but instead of dirty Dan it's alpharius
If he was really a legionaire, he wouldnt need 3 companies, just a shuttle to go down, and accept surrender from the suspiciously New leader of the local government
@@ilyesistvan8331 oh no he would use the 3 companies, the planet is in such a chaotic state that it will cause casualties amongst the marines
It’s an amusing meme that the supposed ultimate masters of infiltration seemingly can’t help but immediately identify themselves as Alpharius
"He could be any one of us!"
-Spy from tf2
"Even Me!" *BLAM*
@@ackbarreserve He will turn red any moment now . . .
Björn vom Hörn there, you see! Red! Oh wait...that's blood.
What are you, president of his fan club or somethin'?
@@craigstoddart5684 zat would be your muzzair.
The madman actually did it. He made a comprehensive video on the Alpha Legion! Or did he? How do we know Occulus isn't Alpharius?
The idiot I am alpharius died the moment he did.
Occulus can't be Alpharius because *I* 'm -not- Alpharius
Actually I'm not Omegon
But aren't we all alpharius?
I approve of this. I am Alpharius.
Maybe he's Alpharius pretending to be Omegon pretending to be Alpharius?
*_Centuries in the future..._*
“Ooh~ a holorecord on the Legiones Astartes of old? Let’s see what the 20th Legion is all about!”
*”It’S a MyStErY iNsIDe A RidDlE iNsIdE aN eNiGmA!”*
“....”
Wraped in a crazy conspiracy theory that no one would believe
We. Are. Not. Alpharius.
Wrapped in a burrito..
I once tried to understand the Alpha Legion lore.
Emphasis on "tried"
Now I know more about the Legion than I ever thought possible...
Thank you, Oculus.
Or was it
So all we learned is that they popped out of nowhere, they are masters of stealth and confusion, they master several styles of warfare and they all refer themselves as Alpharius as the origin of their name and a bit of their modus operandi, while we still ignore their numbers, all of their actual origins, organization, goals and we barely know their allegiance.
The Alpha Legion is my favorite “traitor” legion
Edit: Omegon is best primarch
I'd say it's accurate.
Or is it?
You would say anything, whoever you are. Your words have lost meaning in their absence of veracity. No man rationally looks for truth, or lies, in white noise. No loyal citizen of the Imperium would give you a willing audience. Your fate is your own making. Being Chaos spawn is no prerequisite in order to have a forked tongue, being greater than Chaos is required in order not to. I know who you are not, "Son." I know not who you are.
Probably.
But then again maybe not.
@@ManEmperorofMankind I didn't ask to be created in your gene labs, Dad.
Or did I?
Alpharius my lord primarch!
Why are We so fucking sneaky about everything?
Who knows...
"You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment"- Alpha Legion operative on the subject of...anything.
"This is our truth, the core of our soul, the essence of our craft. We are warriors unbound by the constraints of truth, assumption, or dogma. We are the reflection in the eternal mirror of war, ever changing, unfixed, and invincible. We serve lies and are their masters. We are their slaves and they are our weapons, weapons which can defeat any foe, break any fortress, and grant one warrior victory against ten thousand. I am the one who stands against many. I am Alpha Legion, and we are one.
"
- Phocron, WE ARE ONE, John French
The Alpha Legion Gene flaws. Pathological lying and cleptomania.
All that shiny unaccounted for new gear does not come out of nowhere after all.
This series is phenomenal. As a programmer with a long commute, your channel is my favorite thing to listen to while driving to/from work and typing code. Your vocal performance and character immerse me into the setting and make me crave more knowledge. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! Genuinely delighted I can help take the edge off a long commute. That's very affirming to hear :)
Scrap code? Are you committing heresy
Other Legions' Remembrancers: taking notes, embellishing, but generally reliable.
20th Legion's RemembraHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA, I can't even finish the bit!
Well see their remembrancer is Alpharius so he already knows the score
@@raycearcher5794 It's brilliant! Since we're all Alpharius, we all know the real story!
What if most of the Remembrancers were Alpha Legion operatives the whole time and thus most of what we know about the Great Crusade is all a lie created by the Alpha Legion?
@@StylesV13 Finally someone noticed.
@@StylesV13 I am not alpharius.
In the end all that mattered was that we were Alpharius all along.
I'm picturing the follow up episode, "Structure, well, Alpharius is in charge, but they're all Alpharius so..." "Tactics, by the time you find out what their tactics are, you're already about to die."
Butt Stuff Kaiju is a forgotten Tyranid strain.
And honestly I... I.. Did not need to know or picture the existence of such a being.
Thank you.
"For the Emperor!" -Alpharius ca M42
Ah yes, a true loyalist chapter
Might have been, not anymore... i think they lost the way to that path
@@cerberus9832 or what if thats what they want you to think?
@@Gallalad1 yeah no i dont think that, they may be masters of deception but no one can deceive the great powers of the warp and the noble chaos gods
@@cerberus9832 that's what the chaos god's think.
@@Gallalad1 it is what they know especially since the alpha legion has turned for the most part to the god Tzeentch.. if you dont believe it go read "the eye of terror"
"Aaaaw, poor Oculus. Sit down in a comfy chair with some Amasec and enjoy a well deserved rest. A chronicler that truly goes above and beyond, may his mind be shielded from both chaos and heretical history. Oh these markings on my hand.......looks like a hydra you say, oh dont be silly."....
I can neither confirm nor deny that I am Alpharius.
Schrodinger’s Alpharius
I can confirm your not. As hes most assuredly headless with his own spear up his gullible ass.
@@texasallstar6969 ...or is he?
@@texasallstar6969 well yes but actually I am alpharius.
We all are
It looks as if all the hard work paid off Oculus, with only one thumbs down I get the feeling that Alpharius might have seen it and spotted a real truth that you managed to winkle out! 😁
But seriously, thank you for doing these. Your voice and delivery is calming and reassuring, great for the 40k fan with anxiety! And your personal character development only adds to the delivery. Thank you again, and all the best for 020.M3!
man we might be able to trace the account of the real alpharius from that dislike
inb4 Oculus drops the "Hydra Dominatus" on us
Even delving into the horrors of the Warp isn't as bad as trying to understand the Alpha Legion
These are fantastic!
I wish I could get these in an audio format (like on Spotify or a podcast platform) so I could listen to them all day at work.
Thanks for these incredibly immersive lore videos, you're a class above!
I just remembered something. Alpha Legion (20th Legion) is likely a reference to the a spy ring called the Twenty Committee from WW2. They're the Legion with the numerals XX. Their Legion number is a double cross
I was expecting Origins and History in quotation marks...
...I just finished Slaves to Darkness last night and that cryptic little scene with the dagger being shattered in front of Horus... So, this is nicely timed 😁
haha yeah i slaved over that scene to no end in my brain
The small size of the Legion is an advantage, or indeed necessary, to achieve the anonymity required to successfully implement their signature tactics.
I'm also pretty sure Omegon (or Alpharius) stayed on Terra while his twin scattered with the others.
Probably together with the emperor as the myth claims, but being on his own on Terra is a interesting thought.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are / were among LARGEST legions, especially considering attrition.
Oculus Imperia video posted?
Press play.
@sgfhk321 "every where I look all I find is lies"
through the immaterium whispering voice states
"Just As Planned"
The Alpha Legion's lore is so full of twists that even Tzeentch would be impressed
...or lost track of it.
Know then, that we are all Alpharius and Alpharius is all
All is all
Now all that is settled what about all the other stuff we all need to do all away once???
Absolutely Alpharius
In the end, the true Alpharius is the friends we made along the way.
Except for when we are all Omegon. Only when we are all Omegon are we all Alpharius.
I really love the subtle nod that this video as well as the AL tactics and structure one are not included in the legiones Astartes playlist (or any of the other playlists)
I’m thinking Omegon stayed on Terra and coordinated things from behind the scenes until Alpharius was found later on. The Astartes that spoke with the Dark Angels was likely Omegon. When the heresy came around Alpharius sided with Horus as he was less connected to the Imperium and was willing to sacrifice humanity to fulfil the prophecy of the Kabal. Omegon disagreed.
That could be true. More likely, the creators don’t even know, but just like watching the fans struggle to explain the unexplainable.
What book was the Dark Angels conversation?
amazed that this vid on the origins and history of the Alpha boys isn't him just going "FUCK KNOWS!" over and over for 20 minutes
been watching you for a while , still cant state enough how much i love your manner of story telling .
Keep up the great work mate and May God Emperor watch over you .
Marvelous work sir! However, I begin to wonder about myself while I laughed maniacly during your introductory expressions of mental agony.
that frustration filled intro hits way harder because you know he probably had the same problems irl trying to find any concrete information about the twientieth, great vid as always
They always ask "who is Alpharius?", but no one asks "how is Alpharius?"
:(
Don't worry, I am well.
Sometimes it gets lonely knowing that there isn’t a soul that truly knows me.
*Be giant superhuman in a giant powerarmor.*
*Need to be stealthy.*
*Just put on some hood.*
Genius.
*...IT ACTUALLY WORKS*
30:28 where is that image from? That is the best, and in my opinion coolest depiction of Volkite Weaponry i have seen.
This video style is very well made and it clearly takes so much time to research, script and put together, props - there are other lore channels I've watched but they tend to have somewhat clunky writing and tacked on skits etc., so I'm glad to have found one that's so well written and focused on the lore itself
Ahh, my scalibois. I would thank Alpharius if I was not, in fact, Alpharius myself for my hard work and cunning.
Finally!! I've been waiting for this one ever since I found your channel! Excellent work as always!
This was an excellent post. Thank you for making this video, it was exhilarating and insightful.
I've been reading the Horus Heresy series and it's amazing! Good timing for this video.
The books with the alpha legion are so damn good...
@@Serpentaxuk I'm looking forward to them!
One thing you can say about the alpha legion and their daddy regardless who is speaking no matter how squirrlie, mean or down right there nicest person ever, alpharius makes a consistent impression with nearly all personality types. Kurz was blunt as few ever could be and vulcan and sanguinius spoke of him exactly like dorn and kurz did. Man what a character. A person who is a character by his sheer lack of any personal character at all. Fitting.
I've been patiently awaiting this one. Thank you
Love it man. Although I can't see the vids as you release them anymore on the day off, this was good
Another excellent record, Remembrancer! Alpha Legion, along with their Primarch(s), have always been one of the more interesting legions.
I'd love to see you do more records about the various chapters that descended from these various legions, like the Black Templars, Iron Snakes, etc.
I wish there was something more than just liking it. Your channel deserves all the praise heaped upon it and more!
Listening through the legions. One by one. All are great work
Love your channel man, really appreciate the way you deliver the lore. 😁
As always, an excellent video! Thank you for sacrificing your sanity on the altar of our enjoyment!
Amazing video. Thank you
Dude, your stuff is awesome man, keep it up:)
Oh I've been looking forward to this one.
Yet again, you knocked it out the ball park!
Please do a video about the Thunder Warriors! It would be so cool!
holy shit bro ur a legend to this warhammer lore stuff
Easily the most interesting legion. I always loved the idea of a Space Marine CIA. Keep up the fantastick work!!
best lore channel in realspace
People confirmed to be Alpharius:
- Roboute Guilliman
- Marneus Calgar
- Dante
- Sly Marbo
- Logan Grimnar
- Diomedes
- Horus Lupercal
- Abaddon
- Warboss Gazghkull
- Sebastian Yarrick
- Ollonius Pius
- Caiphas Kane
- Eldrad
- Vect
- Jaghatai Khan
- Rogal Dorn
- Reclusiarch Grimaldus
- Julius Caesar
- Szarekh the Silent King
- The Omnissiah
People confirmed to not be Alpharius:
- Omegon
Remember the Geno 5-2 Chiliad
Never forget, the tragedy that occurred that day, at the behest of the xenos, by the hand of the traitor Alpha Legion.
Thanks for another great story, Ave ocolus Imperia.
Love these vids keep me coming my dude 🤙🏽
My favourite Warhammer guy is on point with another upload 😃😃😃 love this guys work hes amazeballs 👏👏👏
I dont care what anyone says, Alpha's reticulated armor is the coolest fuckin design of any Astartes legion.
Thank you for another one.
After a fully in role video, masterfully done...
buttstuffkaiju gets me every time xD
Scare and this one was a heavy one 😂
Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! By far the legion I have been waiting for
Great video! Bro you are the man! I love your videos!
Glorious day citizens, the most important of the emperor loyal legions has is tale told! FOR THE EMPEROR
By me (Alpharius of course)
Ok. I actually have a theory of how the alpha legion manage to arm itself overnight. the 2nd and 11th had to have material and weapons
I was wondering the same myself and then I got to thinking.
And honestly this seems very plausible, my own theory was that the emperor was secretly funneling resources from forgeworlds and having the techpriests lie about " manufacturing issues " and " faulty batches with the newer models ".
Maybe it was a combination of both?
My feeling is that the XI, XVII and XX legions were the only ones which the Emperor intended to survive the Great Crusade. All the other Astartes were necessarily disposable. It may even be that knowledge of this was what doomed the II and XI legions.
The XV as well -- their fall is tragic, and Magnus was meant to sit the Golden Throne. He'd need his sons to do it -- a legion that would have served as /his/ Custodians.
@@jonsalvadori6275 dunno if the Legion were needed for Magnus to do the golden throne/webway thing and if it came to sacrificing them I feel like Magnus was/is a ends justify the means kida guy.
@@matthewmcneany i wrote this post just before I finished "Fury of Magnus." The new solar war novella.
Suffice to say, no spoilers: you were right, I was wrong. Literally cried a little on finishing it, because /that/ was not what I expected at all..
Spoiler below.
Emps made magnus the offer to return to his side, no problem. All it would cost Magnus was the Thousand Sons -- /his/ sons.
He did not accept the offer, and that's why history turned out this way.
@@jonsalvadori6275 You've inadvertently set off my 40k lore rant mode (appologies in advance):
I'm a big fan of the (somewhat more oldschool) 'no one piece of 40k lore is definitive' school of thought and if you have to creativly interpret something to justify a cool or interesting hypothesis that fits whatever narrative you think is best for a character then don't worry about it - 40k is about saying whatever sh*t sounds cool at the time and (maybe) working out the details after the fact. Characters in 40k can be pretty inconsistent over the 30+ years or whatever they've been writing and it's way more important to have fun with the lore, games and models than it is to "be correct" - If you can come up with a justification for seeing something a particular way even if its a minority opinion then there's an in universe justification for some heretical sect in the inquesition or rogue Astartae chapter believing it. If you want to exlore a paricular action a particular character took because it doesn't fit into you head cannon then that's a worthwile and genuinely intersting way to engage with the lore. Or at least that's my 2 cents when it comes to lore.
I haven't read 'Fury..' though I'm aware of the relevant lore point (and hear the book is really well written) but there's two points I think: Firstly, He made that decision in that context but he could have made a differnt one in a differnt context, even faced with the same choice - people (even demi-God people) are like that. But back to my broader point - it kinda comes down to (my opinion - shared by some people in the community that) all lore is esentially a single perspective of events from narrators of varying degrees of unreliablilty - which is why retcons should be such a non-issue. The question of if an event happened the way it was told in a certain novel, army book, etc. is always up for debate imo.I know not everyone like this idea but I think its one reason the franchise has lasted and grown and I find the fact that everyone has their own (slightly) differnt headcannon kinda neat.
Back to Magnus, if someone wanted to - not saying that you should see it this way but as an specific example of what I'm trying to say someone could do this - Use the loyalist Space marine codex and build an army armoud a splinter cell of loyalist thousand sons (and/or Blood Ravens) chapter who's absolute belief in the goodness of their primarch and loyalty to the Emperor protects them from Rubric and who through some prophetic vision think they know the actual truth of Magnus' downfall (which can be whatever crazy theory you want it to be - or even who believe that he did nothing wrong _and are in your own headcannon wrong about that fact_ but their belief leads them down some tragic or heroic path - indeed what could be more apt and tragic than some successors to the thousnad sons who are seeking forbidden knowledge that doesn't exist in a vain attempt to prove litterally everyone else in the galaxy wrong and never will) - and all of that is to me more at least as interesting an idea as someone who says: I'm going to play a standard Thousand Son's chaos warband - not that playing/building a standard lore army can't also have really interesting themes and stories to explore too.
I've always thought that the point of 40k is to give (alright sell) people the tools to tell whatever stories they want to tell, and part of the point about the traditional scope and scale and vagueness of 40k is so there's deliberately room for the werid and niche stories alongside the 'Fall of Cadia's even when they seem contradictory. Somewhere deep in the Grim darkness of the far future there's anything and everything your imagination can create.
Anyway, that's my way too overthought 40k lore TED talk. tl;dr telling fun stories is the most important thing by far.
@@matthewmcneany In my head, Magnus is the key figure in the whole Horus Humbug, and he's the reason I really got deep into the lore for HH. I own all the books. All of them, lol -- it's a lot of shelf space.
He's the "best" of the primarchs because he didn't mean to get suckered into chaos, didn't like it, and wishes most of all for redemption. He's the only one whose fall was actually really tragic.
Probably I identify with him so much because I too made similar mistakes -- I thought I could dabble in darkness (drugs sex gambling etc) and that I was strong enough that all those warnings about the dangers were for someone else -- someone weaker and dumber than I was.
Darkness consumed me for ten years, and redemption has been a much harder road to travel.
My XVth guys are a lighter shade of blue, because I've never believed the Thousand Sons to be anything other than a tragic story -- they're not evil. They're not even misguided. They just made a series of bad decisions.
Well chronicled, Chronicler:)
Itd be kinda cool if when one of the twin primarchs died, an astartes began to grow into a primarch, becoming omegon in training to the veteran alfarius. The first and the last, but in true alpha legion fashion, a complete lie.
A very extremely awesome video as always Oculus Imperia. And the alpha legion is a very secret first founding legion.
Ah yes, the embodiment of the phrase "... or is it?"
They certainly are! .... or are they?
Best legion by the best lore channel
This makes me so happy
Hail Hydra!
*(Both Fists In The Air)*
Hydra dominatus
Was expecting 30 minutes of Oculus just saying "redacted", or "classified". Actually learned stuff. And now I am afraid.
This video seems to be missing from the Legiones Astartes playlist
Iam Alpharius.
No, iam Alpharius.
No wait. Iam Alpharius!
I'm Alpharius and so's my wife!
Sup
It is likely that this account, however, is a lie.
If it were true the Oculus would have fallen down some stairs long before he could release this recording to the archives.
Brilliant!
THANK YOU!
Yet another brilliant oration
*Guy On Bench with newspaper nods in respect*
Real talk after reading "legion" I see alpha legion now as legit bad ass as fuck legion. What an eye opening book and an explosive ending literally. For the emperor.....
'these accounts are likely lies' needs to be on a t-shirt!!!!
Maybe the real treasure was the Alpharius we were along the way?
all three origin stories are true there are three heads of the Hydra
Nice
Thank you