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Israel is the oppressor of the Palestinians for more than 76 years. The Palestinians are enduring war crimes of epic proportions. Their society has been effectively forced to live in slums, ruins, refugee camps, and even there they cannot evade Israel's murderous campaign to wipe them out. The existence of Sinwar happened as a direct result of Israel's war crimes and as a Palestinian he was defending his people by all means and out of self-defence. Had they arrested Netanyahu in his role as commander and his cabinet who condone war criminals in their IDF to still continue with war crimes, it should be clear that only Netanyahu was responsible for October7,2023. That would have been Justice done.
Failing empire. I'm getting secondhand embarrassment for also being a western nation, but I'm a Swiss so at the very least I can say that we've tried to stay neutral for most of it.
Since 2005 there have been any Jews in Gaza becase from 1929 till 2005 all Jews got forced out from Aaza (gaza) in exchange for a promissed peace that got violated numerous times after ham was took power. What is the reseanable responce of Israel should be after 10/7/24?
@@smartlady3892 Creating Bantustans in territories you control does not exempt you from your international obligations. Ask South Africans what they think about it. At the time, all countries, including the US, with the notable exception of Israel, had fought the apartheid government of De Klerk who was forced to leave power in 1991, leaving the former Bantustans the right to self-determination vis-à-vis South Africa. The fact that Israel is creating Bantustans on territories that do not belong to them does not diminish but on the contrary increases the illegality of its action.
@zeus9619 Thank you! @smartlady3892 Those who keep wild beasts in a kennel, feed them, "nurture and care for" them and publicly proclaim that their existence is for the good of Israel, seem to be the true rulers of Gaza.
Genius with your argument Obama, Bush shall also get arrested than. its not how much bomb you use it HOW YOU DO IT. Saddam Hussein : Use ONE bomb on a kurdish village. Cyanind gas = 5000 - 8000 People died in ONE daym Thats genocide= because the INTENT was to kill the whole village Netanyahu = 40000 dead , half are terrorists or 18000. ...so assume 22000 civilian dead thats in ONE year 60 People. He order civilian to leave. See the difference??? Try to read and join the armed forces before you talk about law that you seemly have no clue. Putin got an arrest order less than 3 month, why do you Think Netanyahu havent got it yet?? because lack of proof. Or he would already got it.
What's so complex about it? I'm a lawyer and there's enough evidence to convict the man even without a trial. It's all televised for goodness sakes. I've rarely encountered a stronger case evidentially.
@@phasematerialsresearch9319 proof have found that the 6 hostages mu Rd er Ed when is real get close to their hiding position is also near to the place yayha sinwar hide. They found yayha sinwar's laptop that he used for military plans. I mean prove me wrong if u can😂 it is put there for u to search for counter argument 😂
How can there not be enough evidence? Follow international law. Occupier has no right to self-defence. The occupued have every right and yes even armed resistance. Not going to listen to this ridiculous debate
Roth must be feeling sick. He took this interview in good faith but that Israeli excusee is hard to bear. He should have been accompanied by DANA Bash and her various accounts of Oct 7th 2023. I like Roth. He quietly gets the job done but he also realises that the position is much more dangerous than he first thought.
It hurts me to say this but the one valid point was made at the end there. Bush, Cheney, Blair et all should all have been prosecuted for war crimes for the illegal invasions of Iraq, Libya Syria etc but in fact never have been because the US is too powerful and does not have the integrity to sanction it's own leaders when they act illegaly on the world stage. Holding Netenyahu to a higher standard is only feasable because Israel is much weaker and is not even that while the US defends him from all angles. We are dealing with an international legal system that is currently toothless to act against criminality because the most powerful players themselves to not uphold the standards that they proclaim to adhere to.
“We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture. “ - Moshe Sharett, 1914, second prime minister of Israel and the country’s first foreign minister.
@@WaltShag Lolz the Pally`s are the real descendants of the middle eastern Jews, they just converted to Christianity then Islam. It all their land (along with the actual middle eastern Jews).
Los jueces, han recibido toda clase de presiones. Empezando desde poner dudas sobre su imparcialidad por sus apellidos. Por su origen. Mire quien firma el tratado de Roma y quien no. Mire quien tiene derecho a veto en ONU, y luego pregúntese porque. Ejemplo: el sr. Putin estuvo en un país donde se le podía haber arrestado....... No pasó nada! Es el caso del SR. Netanyahu, el mismo. Primero : los negocios, la economía. Y no espere nada más.
Because if we acknowledge the war crimes committed by Israel and Netenyahu ... then we might have to start acknowledging and prosecuting the war crimes committed by the western leaders like Bush and Blair And America definately does not want people looking at the war crimes it has committed ... as there are MANY.
It's only complex cause pro Hamas wants to abuse the system against Israel and the only way to trick the layman that it is possible is by making everything so complex and hope against hope that it will smoke through
you only have a right to defend yourself if you are actively being attacked at that exact second. that's how self defence works, israel was not attacking gaza on oct 7. so no. they did not have a right to self defence.
@@007kingifrit gaza would still be a thriving city today if they had not massacred innocent people on Oct 7. so now they are the victims? ya well fine.
U choose to disregard the newest update from UN report? 😅 Or because the previous report serve ur narrative then u r reiterating ur view but when UN follow up and reassessment and found out none, u don't like it so u ignore it? U just cherry pick whatever u want 😂
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla The UN report did not say there is no evidence of starvation. That is a complete misrepresentation. It is also a complete misrepresentation to claim that the absence of starvation would absolve the war crime of DEPRIVATION.
Anyone who thinks it isn't justified should at the very least stop pretending like they care about the supposed values of upholding human rights, equal rights, and international order.
I wish he would quit saying that their is no such thing as a Palestinian state ,that is about the weakest argument for Israel to continue this genocide ..
The argument about there not being a Palestinian state isn't relevant to whether Israel is committing a genocide, but rather whether the ICC holds territorial jurisdiction over Palestine. Given the overwhelming recognition by countries around the world and in the UN general assembly, it seems patently obvious to me that they are a state.
Why???? Why should anyone respect a court with no power??? And a real crazy question I have is why should isreal be responsible for the humanitarian aid of their ENEMIES? Shoe on other foot?? Jews on way for anther ww2
how many people died of starvation in Gaza since October 7? nobody gives a number, could be the number is so small that you don't have any evidence? if you know, tell me: how many people in Gaza died specifically from starvation?
Sergei Shoigu, Omar al-Bashir, and Vladimir Putin weren't on the ground committing crimes. They were all at the top giving orders and having them executed, exactly the same as Netanyahu. But the ICC had no problem issuing arrest warrants for them. So why the double-standard?
Never have a convict need to prove innocent of him or herself. The prosecutor should prove, with convincable evidence that someone is guilty. 😅 I mean this is so basic in Democratic countries😅
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Yes... agree ANd in this case the evidence has been presented and he has been deemed guilty But if he is so sure he is innocent .. then what is the problem in him presenting his evidence as to why he is?
@@jannyjan90 the evidence is not enough. No one go into gaza to get health reports but just getting phone calls answers. How is these non solid evidence can be put on the table with such a severe accusation. Icj icc have made themselves a clown by prosecuting him without enough proof.
Getting UN does not mean u r a country. Taiwan didn't not get UN seat but is respectable by the whole world and treated as a develop country. Taiwan existence proof the silliness of the countries to recognize Palestine as UN member. How is Palestine better than Taiwan, more qualified than Taiwan to be a UN member ?😂
Always odd when someone argues that the U.S. and Israel get to determine that independent people can't decide to apply international law to themselves.
Dear David, please take off the analyst of your name if you wanna post untruths! 😂😂😂😂😂 Palestine was, is , and will never be a full UN member as long as the US of A exists and unless Islamists succeed in their nefarious schemes to dominate the world, the beggars will have to keep relying on handouts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 The IDF have been very effective in slowly destroying Gaza and while the ISLAMIST FANATIC EXTREMIST TERRORISTS continue to wallow in their twisted ideology, there won’t be much free food for future terrorists 😂😂😂😂😂
A skillfull lawyer debated Abraham Lincoln on thr LEGALITY OF SKAVERY citing several slick convoluted arguments... LINCOLN CUT THROUGH THR BS with "If slavery ( and the INJUSTICE & degradation ) is not wrong THEN NOTHING IS WRONG "
I don't understand how icc icj can press Gxide charges to Natanyahu cuz 1. Israel give food wate r shelter free 2. Israel tried their best evacuate 850000 for safety (150000 baneed to flee by Hamas or they don't want to leave) 3. Izreal give free polio vaccines 4. Izreal combatants civilians ratio 1:1-1.5 (15000+:40000+) How is it GXide? I mean Sudan cleanse and target christians (>50000) in Sudan war now is more fitting to the narrative of GXide
I've been thinking about that for awhile... most health facilities in Gaza are destroyed. These facilities provide the most reliable count of casualties that is possible.
Israel has been treated by standards, that many other nations have been held to Account for there Crimes ,for the last 75years against the People of Palistine. It is Extrodinarythat Eugene can Quote Speculative Numbers Denieing the Numbers that have come out Gaza.
I came to realize that some individuals are heartless and have no regard for human life.indeed humanity has lost Basic principles that distinguish them from Animals.Peace,co-existence,tolerance and common sense has left us.soo sad.
Prof is a post that can be brought. Eugene does not aware that over majority of UN member states recognize Palestinia exist and her territory in West bank and Gaza.
@@kalijasin Israel didn't anneclxed what is real already have. According to uti possidetis juri international law, Israel territory consist of Jerusalem Gaza and west bank. Israel can't colonize what is already his. Izreal is recovering the land just like Ukraine try to recover Donbass Crimea kharkiv. (Source Natasha housdouff lawfare on Israel interview). Proof me wrong
So good of the professor to sit there in his nice suit and tell us the threshold for famine has not been met. 😂. Go live it and you can tell us after that. Monster
No evidence of famine in Gaza, so what are all the videos of children either dying or have died from starvation in Gaza that the whole world has seen on screen for the past 6months or longer. Eugene you are a absolute fool and proved it by opening your mouth
Keep in mind Eugene is not only Israeli, but lived in an illegal settlement in the West Bank himself. Don't expect honest legal opinions on international law from someone who openly breaks it. Shame on Open to Debate for even inviting him.
How to say he committed Gxide when Israel provide polio vaccine free food water shelter? Hamas who built tunnels with people's money but not letting people use it as bo mb shelter should be the Gxide criminal
This question of yours is unfounded, why should Netanyahu's case be parculiar, why Israel and US not a member of ICC Court but have Judges in this Judiciary?.
25:00 Is Israel prosecuting war crimes? "We are busy right now, and we are doing our best to get the worst of the worst" But ignoring the whole genocide, apparently.
@007kingifrit I can see you really don't understand what's going on in Gaza/Israel, Israel has been controlling Gaza what goes in and what comes out so why wouldn't they be responsible for feeding them, that's like you saying you don't bare the responsibility for feeding your children if you have any you control your house just that simple
@@freegametv5191 israel is not responsible for feeding foreigners, they are not israeli, hamas is the government, hamas is responsible for feeding them.
@@slightlyamusedyoutuber3517 well you're right i hope it isn't free, it would be part of the reparation costs if israel allows gaza to continue to exist after the war. but i hope they annex it.
Leave Islam n yr intelligence, humanity and honesty will return to u. Ignorant satanic cult member, read Quran ch. 5 verse 21. Allah gave that land to Jews n they can call that land whatever they like. The ancient Jews were attacked n their land grabbed by invaders such as the Romans, Turks, Arabs, Persians n British. Palestine is just a name Romans gave to a part of Jewish land they colonized, so the Jews are Palestinians too. MANY JEWS HAD TO FLEE AND SOUGHT REFUGE IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. Today the Jews are strong n want to reclaim their ancestral land which Allah gave them in Quran Ch. 5 verse21. SO THEY ARE RETURNING TO THAT LAND ALLAH PROMISED THEM. You dont believe quran? Quran Maryam 19:71 says u destined for hell n u cant escape hell bcos u dare defy Allah's wish to let the Jews hv that small piece of land. U place Muhamad above Allah. th-cam.com/video/mIHJXzUMroc/w-d-xo.html
A United Nations-coordinated partnership of 15 international organizations and UN agencies investigating the hunger crisis in Gaza recently reported , that “all evidence points towards a major acceleration of death and malnutrition.” The partnership said that in northern Gaza, where 70 percent of the population is experiencing catastrophic hunger, and famine. Gaza’s Health Ministry reported as of April 1, that 32 people, including 28 children, had died of malnutrition and dehydration at hospitals in northern Gaza. Save the Children confirmed on April 2 the deaths from starvation and disease of 27 children. Earlier in March, World Health Organisation (WHO) officials found “children dying of starvation” in northern Gaza’s Kamal Adwan and al-Awda hospitals. In southern Gaza, where aid is more accessible but still grossly inadequate, UN agencies in mid-February said that 5 percent of children under age 2 were found to be acutely malnourished.
A pity the Gazans never watched “2013 Snowpiercer”! Starvation and famine won’t be a problem if they understood what Curtis said in that movies - some things taste the best 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yayha sinwar should be charged of not letting civilians to get shelter in the new york subway sized-tunnels. Rather used civilians as shields at the opening of tunnels 😢
@@sarah7755 I don't understand how u can press Gxide charges to Natanyahu cuz 1. Israel give food wate r shelter free 2. Israel tried their best evacuate 850000 for safety (150000 baneed to flee by Hamas or they don't want to leave) 3. Izreal give free polio vaccines 4. Izreal combatants civilians ratio 1:1-1.5 (15000+:40000+) How is it GXide? I mean Sudan cleanse and target christians (>50000) in Sudan war now is more fitting to ur narrative of GXide
Then Hamas should also be brought to court bcuz the tunnels they built never allow civilians to get shelter. If u just want izreal to be bring to court then u r double standard and does not value lives of Arabs of Palestine 😢
Doesnt Eugene think what is happening today with Palestinians can happen with you too , speak the truth and do the same for others what you like for yourself .
israel, west bank, and golan. The law is called Uti possidetis juris you take the borders of the last known international borders which was the BRITISH MANDATE of Palestine
Imagine the flawed logic where Israel is absolved from adhering to international law simply because it is not part of the ICC, who said Israels supporters don't have a sense of humor 😂🤣
1) How the hell can Israel put a siege on Gaza if they have a border with Egypt that Israel can't control? 2) Since the war started, Israel has allowed one million ton of aid to enter Gaza. Where is systematic the starvation strategy here?
One million ton of aid over eleven months to 2.3 million people is not a lot of “aid” per person, including and especially food. The starvation strategy is obvious, real, 24 children have died of malnutrition so far and more will follow. How ghoulish does one have to be to ignore every aid charity, every UN agency, every country denouncing israel’s lack of allowing aid in to claim it is somehow enough?
Never have war criminal provides water fiod polio vaccine and shelter for arabs 😅 Never have a war criminal is more concerned than the governing party to evacuate 850000 arabs of Palestine to safety.😅 Never have war criminal sending alerts with sms flyers and speaker warning to warn civilians to evacuate between days and weeks before they catch the te rr or com ba tant 😅
@@Britishrailwaystories they calculated the normal calories needed and prepared the aid into Gaza. Not enough bcuz Hamas robbed and attack the aid truck meant for civilians. Never had an enemy will provide polio vaccines to it's counterpart children. Izreal has done what Sudan didn't do in Sudan war, Russia didn't do while invading Ukraine, Syria didn't do in period of decades of war 😅
I certainly expected the mediocre attempt to try to blame everything on Khamas, but even I was surprised when Kontorovich tried to argue that was it okay for Israel to starve civilians, including women and children.
Lol. Palestine signing human rights treaties just shows how useless such treaties are. Are the ICC judges going to enter the Gaza tunnels and drag Sinwar to court? Total joke.
Israel being in this conversation and still masquerading as democracy and ally of u.s is like Ted Bundy being charismatic teacher before being convicted serial killer. Both were f'd and are Israel is ethno state it can be democracy or Jewish state can't be both. Need equal rules and laws for all and that's a farce at this point everything they pretend to be is farce especially under netanyahu. Under him it's text book settler colonial ethno state and run by Jim Jones of Judaism. If I were Jewish I would resent him even more the stance he took after ravine death is atrocious. Propping up and finding Hamas as straw man and failing defense of Israel on 10/7 is entire basis for war hes responsible for both sides. Now to save his skin he sacrifices everyone else again and Israel in long run not even u.s. is favorable of anything they've done it's not counter insurgency it's collective punishment.
Is South Africa going to drag Netanyahu out of the Kneseth, US congres or the House of Commons? Probably not. But still its a powerful signal and a political and public damaging label to be marked as a war criminal.
Leave Islam n yr intelligence, humanity and honesty will return to u. Ignorant satanic cult member, read Quran ch. 5 verse 21. Allah gave that land to Jews n they can call that land whatever they like. The ancient Jews were attacked n their land grabbed by invaders such as the Romans, Turks, Arabs, Persians n British. Palestine is just a name Romans gave to a part of Jewish land they colonized, so the Jews are Palestinians too. MANY JEWS HAD TO FLEE AND SOUGHT REFUGE IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. Today the Jews are strong n want to reclaim their ancestral land which Allah gave them in Quran Ch. 5 verse21. SO THEY ARE RETURNING TO THAT LAND ALLAH PROMISED THEM. You dont believe quran? Quran Maryam 19:71 says u destined for hell n u cant escape hell bcos u dare defy Allah's wish to let the Jews hv that small piece of land. U place Muhamad above Allah. th-cam.com/video/mIHJXzUMroc/w-d-xo.html@@saad4447
In the YUDOLAVIA CRISIS THEY WERE ARRESTED AND IN CZECHOSLAVIA CRISIS THEY WERE ARRESTED AND IVORY COAST CRISUS HE WAS ARRESTEDLINERIA WAS ARRESTED SO WHAT STOPS THEM FROM ARRESTING NETAYANHO
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Israel is the oppressor of the Palestinians for more than 76 years. The Palestinians are enduring war crimes of epic proportions. Their society has been effectively forced to live in slums, ruins, refugee camps, and even there they cannot evade
Israel's murderous campaign to wipe them out. The existence of Sinwar happened as a direct result of Israel's war crimes and as a Palestinian he was defending his people by all means and out of self-defence.
Had they arrested Netanyahu in his role as commander and his cabinet who condone war criminals in their IDF to still continue with war crimes, it should be clear that only Netanyahu was responsible for October7,2023. That would have been Justice done.
Unbelievable this is even debatable. It shows how sick the West has become.
Failing empire. I'm getting secondhand embarrassment for also being a western nation, but I'm a Swiss so at the very least I can say that we've tried to stay neutral for most of it.
Couldn't agree more 👍🏻
The west has always been this way. The west even denied there was an apartheid in South Africa.
Blind freedy can see his a war criminal 😂
@@ChrisAlbertH47 staying neutral is backing Israel...you should see that a bit...
I think that the legal advice of ICJ says Gaza was occupied before Oct 7th. A war against occupied people is a little bit strange.
Not just strange but also illegal
Since 2005 there have been any Jews in Gaza becase from 1929 till 2005 all Jews got forced out from Aaza (gaza) in exchange for a promissed peace that got violated numerous times after ham was took power. What is the reseanable responce of Israel should be after 10/7/24?
@@smartlady3892 Creating Bantustans in territories you control does not exempt you from your international obligations. Ask South Africans what they think about it. At the time, all countries, including the US, with the notable exception of Israel, had fought the apartheid government of De Klerk who was forced to leave power in 1991, leaving the former Bantustans the right to self-determination vis-à-vis South Africa.
The fact that Israel is creating Bantustans on territories that do not belong to them does not diminish but on the contrary increases the illegality of its action.
@zeus9619 Thank you!
@smartlady3892 Those who keep wild beasts in a kennel, feed them, "nurture and care for" them and publicly proclaim that their existence is for the good of Israel, seem to be the true rulers of Gaza.
Israel only found legitimacy through the UN - therefore the UN can delegitimise Israel.
Give me a break. Dropping more than 70.000 tons of explosives on a very small densely populated area and you a very low civilian casuality rate?
Genius with your argument Obama, Bush shall also get arrested than.
its not how much bomb you use it HOW YOU DO IT.
Saddam Hussein : Use ONE bomb on a kurdish village. Cyanind gas = 5000 - 8000 People died in ONE daym
Thats genocide= because the INTENT was to kill the whole village
Netanyahu = 40000 dead , half are terrorists or 18000. ...so assume 22000 civilian dead thats in ONE year 60 People.
He order civilian to leave.
See the difference???
Try to read and join the armed forces before you talk about law that you seemly have no clue.
Putin got an arrest order less than 3 month, why do you Think Netanyahu havent got it yet?? because lack of proof. Or he would already got it.
What's so complex about it? I'm a lawyer and there's enough evidence to convict the man even without a trial. It's all televised for goodness sakes. I've rarely encountered a stronger case evidentially.
Arresting the wanted war criminal is not complex thing. Stop making it sound complex.
U mean yayha sinwar who has been surounded by hostages to be his live card? It is complex 😂
Who will arrest them
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Whataboutism is your favorite tactic huh?
The countries who are signatories to the Rome statute @@mfundomkhonta7500
@@phasematerialsresearch9319 proof have found that the 6 hostages mu Rd er Ed when is real get close to their hiding position is also near to the place yayha sinwar hide. They found yayha sinwar's laptop that he used for military plans. I mean prove me wrong if u can😂 it is put there for u to search for counter argument 😂
How can there not be enough evidence? Follow international law. Occupier has no right to self-defence. The occupued have every right and yes even armed resistance. Not going to listen to this ridiculous debate
Roth must be feeling sick.
He took this interview in good faith but that Israeli excusee is hard to bear. He should have been accompanied by DANA Bash and her various accounts of Oct 7th 2023. I like Roth. He quietly gets the job done but he also realises that the position is much more dangerous than he first thought.
What is the proof of Palestine is a state? 😅
thats anti Semitic
Awww... Scared of hearing facts I see
Genocide is not self-defense.
I can't listen to the lies anymorre.
What are you talking about, they're not Israei
Unbelievable defense fooor Isreal , this guy is a monster ,,,
Devil incarnate
Cry more
@@christianlucas7050I heard you been crying about the lack of tourism 😂
@@SomeDude-gn8kc I understand there is tourism in Syria, Lebanon, West Bank and Gaza, their tourism industry is booming 🤷
@@christianlucas7050
that does not change the fact that 90% of the planet spits on Israel....
It hurts me to say this but the one valid point was made at the end there. Bush, Cheney, Blair et all should all have been prosecuted for war crimes for the illegal invasions of Iraq, Libya Syria etc but in fact never have been because the US is too powerful and does not have the integrity to sanction it's own leaders when they act illegaly on the world stage. Holding Netenyahu to a higher standard is only feasable because Israel is much weaker and is not even that while the US defends him from all angles. We are dealing with an international legal system that is currently toothless to act against criminality because the most powerful players themselves to not uphold the standards that they proclaim to adhere to.
Can't believe that is even a question .The warrant is warranted .
Its not complex, its simple. Yes it is justified, he is a war criminal.
“We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture. “ - Moshe Sharett, 1914, second prime minister of Israel and the country’s first foreign minister.
Honesty can't go beyond this
A dich and evil man took what does not belong to him
Straight from the coloniser playbook
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Now
146 countries recognise Palestine
and I recognise them! As scam of this earth!
@@WaltShag Lolz the Pally`s are the real descendants of the middle eastern Jews, they just converted to Christianity then Islam. It all their land (along with the actual middle eastern Jews).
I'm sure u meant scum.... and I agree
Even Taiwan is not recognize, how is Palestine better than Taiwan to be recognized as a nation? 😂
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla u would not understand anyway
Come on no moral person would not think it’s justified Palestinians have been dealing with this for so long
they are being justifiably killed in accordance with international law. the israeli government is following all the rules
The question should be: why haven't the warrants been issued yet??? Which countries are covertly trying to influence the judges.
Los jueces, han recibido toda clase de presiones. Empezando desde poner dudas sobre su imparcialidad por sus apellidos. Por su origen.
Mire quien firma el tratado de Roma y quien no.
Mire quien tiene derecho a veto en ONU, y luego pregúntese porque.
Ejemplo: el sr. Putin estuvo en un país donde se le podía haber arrestado....... No pasó nada! Es el caso del SR. Netanyahu, el mismo.
Primero : los negocios, la economía.
Y no espere nada más.
How is this complex?
Exactly!
Because if we acknowledge the war crimes committed by Israel and Netenyahu ... then we might have to start acknowledging and prosecuting the war crimes committed by the western leaders like Bush and Blair
And America definately does not want people looking at the war crimes it has committed ... as there are MANY.
It's only complex cause pro Hamas wants to abuse the system against Israel and the only way to trick the layman that it is possible is by making everything so complex and hope against hope that it will smoke through
@@realdeal7074
First comment I had - to myself.
@@GerardVaughan-qe7ml eyy?
Palestinians have the legal right to defend themselves, is CLEARLY not addressed.
you only have a right to defend yourself if you are actively being attacked at that exact second. that's how self defence works, israel was not attacking gaza on oct 7. so no. they did not have a right to self defence.
@@007kingifrit gaza would still be a thriving city today if they had not massacred innocent people on Oct 7. so now they are the victims? ya well fine.
@@007kingifrit they attacked the month prior LOL
@@DanaWhiteMMA what did i just say boy? actively, at the moment, and israel has never attacked first. ever.
Not only is it justified, it is LONG OVERDUE!
Eugene might have a degree in law but he is absolutely no moral compass nor has he spent anytime in Gaza
There is no rational justification for not issuing arrest warrants for Netanyahu and all his enablers and supporters including US presidents…
No evidence of starvation? Are you kidding? You are so hypocritical about the innocence of Netanyahu' s govt.
U choose to disregard the newest update from UN report? 😅 Or because the previous report serve ur narrative then u r reiterating ur view but when UN follow up and reassessment and found out none, u don't like it so u ignore it? U just cherry pick whatever u want 😂
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla The UN report did not say there is no evidence of starvation. That is a complete misrepresentation. It is also a complete misrepresentation to claim that the absence of starvation would absolve the war crime of DEPRIVATION.
Anyone who thinks it isn't justified should at the very least stop pretending like they care about the supposed values of upholding human rights, equal rights, and international order.
I wish he would quit saying that their is no such thing as a Palestinian state ,that is about the weakest argument for Israel to continue this genocide ..
how about just.....it isn't a genocide.
The argument about there not being a Palestinian state isn't relevant to whether Israel is committing a genocide, but rather whether the ICC holds territorial jurisdiction over Palestine. Given the overwhelming recognition by countries around the world and in the UN general assembly, it seems patently obvious to me that they are a state.
@@prometheus3498 bandwagon fallacy, they are not a state just because a club of popularity like the UN says so. the UN is not a legitimate entity.
Even the discussion is meaningless. There is a court a court is taking action. All should respect it and honour it.
Why???? Why should anyone respect a court with no power??? And a real crazy question I have is why should isreal be responsible for the humanitarian aid of their ENEMIES? Shoe on other foot?? Jews on way for anther ww2
Yeah, the court is supposed to take action but isn't!!
Not when it comes to us and Israel, they're above law, have always been. Since Afghanistan till this day, did war crimes wherever they were.
how many people died of starvation in Gaza since October 7? nobody gives a number, could be the number is so small that you don't have any evidence? if you know, tell me: how many people in Gaza died specifically from starvation?
The U.S. and Israel were not part of the Rome Statute (the creation of the ICC). They have no jurisdiction.
All evidence of war crimes direct to him. All settler lethal violence can be stopped at one min by his order as the head of the state.
80% of the nation is criminal
Sergei Shoigu, Omar al-Bashir, and Vladimir Putin weren't on the ground committing crimes. They were all at the top giving orders and having them executed, exactly the same as Netanyahu. But the ICC had no problem issuing arrest warrants for them. So why the double-standard?
Judge someone before you have evidence and before the trial...it called antisemite
More than justified.
How is this complex?? He is a war criminal that has committed several crimes
Eugene is no different than monster war criminal Bebe. This debate is unbelievable, and soon they going to debate if bears shit in the woods or not.
They only shit in the woods if there's no Charmin 💩
Prove your innocence in the court room (ICC). Advise ICC judges to issue arrest warrant for Netanyahu immediately. No more no less, full stop.
Never have a convict need to prove innocent of him or herself. The prosecutor should prove, with convincable evidence that someone is guilty. 😅 I mean this is so basic in Democratic countries😅
firstly arrest the Guttersnipe, Guttered, mastermind of 7thOctober
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Yes... agree
ANd in this case the evidence has been presented and he has been deemed guilty
But if he is so sure he is innocent .. then what is the problem in him presenting his evidence as to why he is?
@@jannyjan90 the evidence is not enough. No one go into gaza to get health reports but just getting phone calls answers. How is these non solid evidence can be put on the table with such a severe accusation. Icj icc have made themselves a clown by prosecuting him without enough proof.
@@jannyjan90 prosecutor should have solid undeniable proof, if not they r just wasting time money and effort
"Palestine is not a country" well, just two days ago they got a seat at the UN, so Im pretty sure you are wrong on that buddy
Whatever happens two days ago does not confer statehood on your so called Palestine. You're delusional.
Getting UN does not mean u r a country. Taiwan didn't not get UN seat but is respectable by the whole world and treated as a develop country. Taiwan existence proof the silliness of the countries to recognize Palestine as UN member. How is Palestine better than Taiwan, more qualified than Taiwan to be a UN member ?😂
Always odd when someone argues that the U.S. and Israel get to determine that independent people can't decide to apply international law to themselves.
Dear David, please take off the analyst of your name if you wanna post untruths! 😂😂😂😂😂 Palestine was, is , and will never be a full UN member as long as the US of A exists and unless Islamists succeed in their nefarious schemes to dominate the world, the beggars will have to keep relying on handouts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 The IDF have been very effective in slowly destroying Gaza and while the ISLAMIST FANATIC EXTREMIST TERRORISTS continue to wallow in their twisted ideology, there won’t be much free food for future terrorists 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes it was u just lack knowledge n education bot 🤖 🙃
A skillfull lawyer debated Abraham Lincoln on thr LEGALITY OF SKAVERY citing several slick convoluted arguments... LINCOLN CUT THROUGH THR BS with "If slavery ( and the INJUSTICE & degradation ) is not wrong THEN NOTHING IS WRONG "
PERFECT!
What a fake evil state wow and there are people still defending Natenyahu the devil
The only one Jewish state and you call it evil. Ok. Perhaps do some self reflection.
I don't understand how icc icj can press Gxide charges to Natanyahu cuz
1. Israel give food wate r shelter free
2. Israel tried their best evacuate 850000 for safety (150000 baneed to flee by Hamas or they don't want to leave)
3. Izreal give free polio vaccines
4. Izreal combatants civilians ratio 1:1-1.5 (15000+:40000+)
How is it GXide?
I mean Sudan cleanse and target christians (>50000) in Sudan war now is more fitting to the narrative of GXide
Eugene is an empty tin that makes noise even when there is no wind.
The argument is about Netanyahu and Galant. Individuals, not Israel, as a state.
The no. killed in Gaza is not 38,000, which is a joke. Has anyone noticed the count stopped approx 7 months ago?
I've been thinking about that for awhile... most health facilities in Gaza are destroyed. These facilities provide the most reliable count of casualties that is possible.
Closer to 200k
Cherry Blossom, queers for gaza! U go Girl!
@@WaltShag Good one. Do you have anything else to say? This is great, I'm thrilled that you joined the conversation.
@@bobbobby7536 cuz Israel said 85000 evacuated to safe place, 150000 barred by ha ma s from leaving, so u mean the ha ma s drag 150000 to heaven?
It's kinda like the Haganar Terrorists not accepting the56% Territory in 1948 then Ethnically Cleansing The Arab Speaking Muslims Chistians and Jews.
What the hell are you talking about? They did accept it so you point is mute
The interesting thing is that Eugene's words do not agree with the eyes.
Israel has been treated by standards, that many other nations have been held to Account for there Crimes ,for the last 75years against the People of Palistine. It is Extrodinarythat Eugene can Quote Speculative Numbers Denieing the Numbers that have come out Gaza.
Israel is an occupying nation, occupying land people and resources.
I came to realize that some individuals are heartless and have no regard for human life.indeed humanity has lost Basic principles that distinguish them from Animals.Peace,co-existence,tolerance and common sense has left us.soo sad.
Prof is a post that can be brought. Eugene does not aware that over majority of UN member states recognize Palestinia exist and her territory in West bank and Gaza.
It’s not a state hence the debate for 1 or 2 state solution
How Palestine is UN member but not Taiwan, isn't Taiwan a better nation? 😅
If Palestine & Palestinians don't exist then what is israel annexing and attacking?
@@kalijasin Israel didn't anneclxed what is real already have. According to uti possidetis juri international law, Israel territory consist of Jerusalem Gaza and west bank. Israel can't colonize what is already his. Izreal is recovering the land just like Ukraine try to recover Donbass Crimea kharkiv. (Source Natasha housdouff lawfare on Israel interview). Proof me wrong
The "majority" most countries are not democratic and over 50 muslim nations. how is that a fare vote? Who cares of their opinion
So good of the professor to sit there in his nice suit and tell us the threshold for famine has not been met. 😂. Go live it and you can tell us after that. Monster
What is worse is that it has been met and it doesn't even need to be met.
Watch some pictures from Auscwits 2nd world war and impress what is feminist and what is hunger is
@@hezialbag8630 You aren't hungry until you are an emaciated corpse? Is that your claim?
@@EnigmicIdentity blame your hamas for stealing supplies and then selling FREE AID
No evidence of famine in Gaza, so what are all the videos of children either dying or have died from starvation in Gaza that the whole world has seen on screen for the past 6months or longer. Eugene you are a absolute fool and proved it by opening your mouth
Keep in mind Eugene is not only Israeli, but lived in an illegal settlement in the West Bank himself. Don't expect honest legal opinions on international law from someone who openly breaks it. Shame on Open to Debate for even inviting him.
Excellent arguments from Mr. Roth. Eugene says "don't believe your lying eyes".
1984,Orwells
What type of human being are this. They never take responsibility for anything
It's called playing victim
He is committing genocide and his ICC warrant for his arrest is justified for sure
How to say he committed Gxide when
Israel provide polio vaccine free food water shelter? Hamas who built tunnels with people's money but not letting people use it as bo mb shelter should be the Gxide criminal
Arrest the "genocider". He must rot in jail. We from the free world say he must be arrested
If Netanyahu cannot be arrested for his crimes, the world is lawless...
So we don't care if he is guilty. We just want to find out if the law is designed with any loop holes that makes him not guilty.
Why is this title even a question? Of course it's justified, end of story. There I just saved everyone 55 minutes.
Eugene Kontorovich, as his Wikipedia says was born in Ukraine...and lives in West Bank settlement. So clearly he has respect for international law.
there is no such thing as international law
The opposing side sounds more like he is a lawyer for Israel. That is also helping shape laws favorable for them
"no famine in Gaza" et cet !!!, we have all seen the pictures of the starved-to-death children !, such a monster, this Kontorovich
"The UN General Assembly cannot create states" ... that's so funny coming from someone defending Netanyahu.
You killed one of them
Please stop repeating Palestinian is not a state
Isreal is not a state either
This fellow lies without blinking an eye.
Defending the indefensible
Sarah baby, the Queer for Gaza,
U go girl, go go, to Gaza. U'll enjoy there in the terrorists tunnels, they'll teach U how to fly! !
This question of yours is unfounded, why should Netanyahu's case be parculiar, why Israel and US not a member of ICC Court but have Judges in this Judiciary?.
25:00 Is Israel prosecuting war crimes? "We are busy right now, and we are doing our best to get the worst of the worst" But ignoring the whole genocide, apparently.
David baby, the Queer for Gaza,
U go girl, go go, to Gaza. U'll enjoy there in the terrorists tunnels, they'll teach U how to fly! !
This man is citing war criminals war manuals for justifying Israel war crimes 😂
Eugene must have a lot of lobby money, like congress and senators have.
The motion of the debate is like asking if the sky is blue
He keeps repeating palestine not a countryi
Its true, explain how Palestine is a country but not Taiwan ?
Useless argument not based on law did you say this man is a lawyer?
I'm surprised he is a lawyer , csuse he comes up with explanations , but not logical realistic ones ... He makes little sense
Have a listen to this despicable guy saying that they have no right to prosecute what a fool and his difference is laughable 😂😂😂
If you ask such a ridiculous question then my question.
Were the Nuremberg trials justified.
First, there was no starvation, then he defends starvation
both can be true at once, starvation is not happening and even if it was its ok. it isn't israel's job to give out free food
@007kingifrit I can see you really don't understand what's going on in Gaza/Israel, Israel has been controlling Gaza what goes in and what comes out so why wouldn't they be responsible for feeding them, that's like you saying you don't bare the responsibility for feeding your children if you have any you control your house just that simple
@@freegametv5191 israel is not responsible for feeding foreigners, they are not israeli, hamas is the government, hamas is responsible for feeding them.
@@007kingifritGiving out free food? Thanks for detailing your level of understanding!
@@slightlyamusedyoutuber3517 well you're right i hope it isn't free, it would be part of the reparation costs if israel allows gaza to continue to exist after the war. but i hope they annex it.
Where do you find the kind of monster that will defend genocide and political starvation?
Why is palestine in the bible if it doesn't exist ? By the way who buys this rubbish ...🤣🤣🤣
Leave Islam n yr intelligence, humanity and honesty will return to u.
Ignorant satanic cult member, read Quran ch. 5 verse 21. Allah gave that land to Jews n they can call that land whatever they like. The ancient Jews were attacked n their land grabbed by invaders such as the Romans, Turks, Arabs, Persians n British. Palestine is just a name Romans gave to a part of Jewish land they colonized, so the Jews are Palestinians too. MANY JEWS HAD TO FLEE AND SOUGHT REFUGE IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. Today the Jews are strong n want to reclaim their ancestral land which Allah gave them in Quran Ch. 5 verse21. SO THEY ARE RETURNING TO THAT LAND ALLAH PROMISED THEM. You dont believe quran?
Quran Maryam 19:71 says u destined for hell n u cant escape hell bcos u dare defy Allah's wish to let the Jews hv that small piece of land. U place Muhamad above Allah.
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Kenneth Roth deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.
Not çomplext...Areest this war criminal
A United Nations-coordinated partnership of 15 international organizations and UN agencies investigating the hunger crisis in Gaza recently reported , that “all evidence points towards a major acceleration of death and malnutrition.” The partnership said that in northern Gaza, where 70 percent of the population is experiencing catastrophic hunger, and famine.
Gaza’s Health Ministry reported as of April 1, that 32 people, including 28 children, had died of malnutrition and dehydration at hospitals in northern Gaza. Save the Children confirmed on April 2 the deaths from starvation and disease of 27 children. Earlier in March, World Health Organisation (WHO) officials found “children dying of starvation” in northern Gaza’s Kamal Adwan and al-Awda hospitals. In southern Gaza, where aid is more accessible but still grossly inadequate, UN agencies in mid-February said that 5 percent of children under age 2 were found to be acutely malnourished.
A pity the Gazans never watched “2013 Snowpiercer”! Starvation and famine won’t be a problem if they understood what Curtis said in that movies - some things taste the best 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ken won the debate - hands down! Eugene’s spewing of Israel propaganda talking points is nauseating!
Let's wait nd see if they will ever be arrested
Its funny how the israel defender defends like a criminal would, attacking technicalities, semantics, etc. like jurisdiction or "bias towards israel"
It's really not that complex. Of course Netanyahu, the perpetrator of a genocide, deserves to, at minimum, be arrested for his war crimes.
Yayha sinwar should be charged of not letting civilians to get shelter in the new york subway sized-tunnels. Rather used civilians as shields at the opening of tunnels 😢
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla That's a completely different person, sweetie.
@@sarah7755 I don't understand how u can press Gxide charges to Natanyahu cuz
1. Israel give food wate r shelter free
2. Israel tried their best evacuate 850000 for safety (150000 baneed to flee by Hamas or they don't want to leave)
3. Izreal give free polio vaccines
4. Izreal combatants civilians ratio 1:1-1.5 (15000+:40000+)
How is it GXide?
I mean Sudan cleanse and target christians (>50000) in Sudan war now is more fitting to ur narrative of GXide
Sarah baby, the Queer for Gaza,
U go girl, go go, to Gaza. U'll enjoy there in the terrorists tunnels, they'll teach U how to fly! !
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Whataboutism is a pathetic tactic from someone who has no real defense.
If it was any other leader of any other nation there would not even be a debate.
Of course, yes.
Mr khan. should have got approval for his changes and to my knowledge he never has.
LIKE KEN SAID IF YOUR INNOCENT GO FIGHT IT IN COURT BUT HE KNOWS HE'S GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES SO WILL NEVER STEP FOOT IN THE HAGUE!!!
Then Hamas should also be brought to court bcuz the tunnels they built never allow civilians to get shelter. If u just want izreal to be bring to court then u r double standard and does not value lives of Arabs of Palestine 😢
Israel doesn't recognise the court ,they recognise their courts
If afgan and the other Muslim countries r innocent and does not commit gender AP at the ie d go fight in the court 😂
Doesnt Eugene think what is happening today with Palestinians can happen with you too , speak the truth and do the same for others what you like for yourself .
People too stupid for that
What is seven other countries? This guy sounds like Lindsay Graham.
Find out How much bribe did he get from aipac
Eugene, what are the clear borders of Israel.
israel, west bank, and golan.
The law is called Uti possidetis juris you take the borders of the last known international borders which was the BRITISH MANDATE of Palestine
So now starvation means people have to die from hunger.
Seriously.
you guys always do the best debates
Eugene please...you are making me sick to my stomach.
Can u proof him wrong? If not then u r just like a misbehave 2 yr old child 😅
Karl Marx who was a Jew wrote a book called : "The Jewish Question." A very relavent book for those who are perturbed by the Question.
Yes, Yes, and Yes !
Beyond any doubt...what a dumb ask??
Imagine the flawed logic where Israel is absolved from adhering to international law simply because it is not part of the ICC, who said Israels supporters don't have a sense of humor 😂🤣
Germany was also not one of the winners of WWII. Still it was invited with front seats to the Nuremberg trials.
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The starvation strategy is by design and part of Netanyahu's Lebensraum.
Eugene war criminal,arrest him.
1) How the hell can Israel put a siege on Gaza if they have a border with Egypt that Israel can't control? 2) Since the war started, Israel has allowed one million ton of aid to enter Gaza. Where is systematic the starvation strategy here?
One million ton of aid over eleven months to 2.3 million people is not a lot of “aid” per person, including and especially food. The starvation strategy is obvious, real, 24 children have died of malnutrition so far and more will follow. How ghoulish does one have to be to ignore every aid charity, every UN agency, every country denouncing israel’s lack of allowing aid in to claim it is somehow enough?
Never have war criminal provides water fiod polio vaccine and shelter for arabs 😅
Never have a war criminal is more concerned than the governing party to evacuate 850000 arabs of Palestine to safety.😅
Never have war criminal sending alerts with sms flyers and speaker warning to warn civilians to evacuate between days and weeks before they catch the te rr or com ba tant 😅
@@Britishrailwaystories they calculated the normal calories needed and prepared the aid into Gaza. Not enough bcuz Hamas robbed and attack the aid truck meant for civilians. Never had an enemy will provide polio vaccines to it's counterpart children. Izreal has done what Sudan didn't do in Sudan war, Russia didn't do while invading Ukraine, Syria didn't do in period of decades of war 😅
@@idomaniacs israel literally does control the Egyptian border, you moron. Pay attention.
@@sarah7755 then why hamas still have ammunition. The reality proof ur statement wrong
33:30 there is no international law saying action must be proportional
In my opinion Ken lost the debate.
I certainly expected the mediocre attempt to try to blame everything on Khamas, but even I was surprised when Kontorovich tried to argue that was it okay for Israel to starve civilians, including women and children.
Lol. Palestine signing human rights treaties just shows how useless such treaties are. Are the ICC judges going to enter the Gaza tunnels and drag Sinwar to court? Total joke.
Actually we are singing,go back to poland and New York
Israel being in this conversation and still masquerading as democracy and ally of u.s is like Ted Bundy being charismatic teacher before being convicted serial killer. Both were f'd and are Israel is ethno state it can be democracy or Jewish state can't be both. Need equal rules and laws for all and that's a farce at this point everything they pretend to be is farce especially under netanyahu. Under him it's text book settler colonial ethno state and run by Jim Jones of Judaism. If I were Jewish I would resent him even more the stance he took after ravine death is atrocious. Propping up and finding Hamas as straw man and failing defense of Israel on 10/7 is entire basis for war hes responsible for both sides. Now to save his skin he sacrifices everyone else again and Israel in long run not even u.s. is favorable of anything they've done it's not counter insurgency it's collective punishment.
Is South Africa going to drag Netanyahu out of the Kneseth, US congres or the House of Commons? Probably not. But still its a powerful signal and a political and public damaging label to be marked as a war criminal.
@@TauvicRitter no but South Africa will happily arrest Netanyahu while meeting with Palestinian war criminals.
Leave Islam n yr intelligence, humanity and honesty will return to u.
Ignorant satanic cult member, read Quran ch. 5 verse 21. Allah gave that land to Jews n they can call that land whatever they like. The ancient Jews were attacked n their land grabbed by invaders such as the Romans, Turks, Arabs, Persians n British. Palestine is just a name Romans gave to a part of Jewish land they colonized, so the Jews are Palestinians too. MANY JEWS HAD TO FLEE AND SOUGHT REFUGE IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. Today the Jews are strong n want to reclaim their ancestral land which Allah gave them in Quran Ch. 5 verse21. SO THEY ARE RETURNING TO THAT LAND ALLAH PROMISED THEM. You dont believe quran?
Quran Maryam 19:71 says u destined for hell n u cant escape hell bcos u dare defy Allah's wish to let the Jews hv that small piece of land. U place Muhamad above Allah.
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In the YUDOLAVIA CRISIS THEY WERE ARRESTED AND IN CZECHOSLAVIA CRISIS THEY WERE ARRESTED AND IVORY COAST CRISUS HE WAS ARRESTEDLINERIA WAS ARRESTED SO WHAT STOPS THEM FROM ARRESTING NETAYANHO