When those who commit crimes are enemies of those who also commit crimes with those who rule both sides indeed commits crime you may live in either Israel or perhaps Chicago. -Josh Swagerty
Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.
@@echoe4806living in a place doesn't make it your land. The land existed before Jacob was born. You are a thief, and you will say anything justify your thievery.
@@echoe4806 white people born in Europe when asked to do a DNA test get scared but still claim jewish heritage and claim right over a land while those who have heritage in the land and are one of the semitic faiths and were living there for thousands of years suddenly loose that right? By that logic All americans should move back to europe and the indigenous population should have complete control over America. No wonder they say being white means simply not bright
For the life of me, I will never understand why people agree to be publicly humiliated by Mehdi over and over again. Regardless, I love it and I hope they never stop 😂
Emmanuel Navon a French Jew who immigrated to Israel in 1993 is telling a Palestinian woman who has roots in the land for 1000s of years " We didn't come to you, This is our land" is the biggest joke is the history of mindkind
For the record Al Jazeera is funded by terror organizations through Qatar. Also research is not based on one person. There's something called a sample size. Also I think archeology and not Islamic fundamentalists determines that Jews lived in Israel before Allah became a thing. Such BS no wonder why Yemen Syria Sudan Somalia are shitholes infested with the same ideology being preached by Hatemas and Hizbullshit. Israel is a miracle surrounded by hate but we are not going anywhere 🇺🇲💪🇮🇱💯🩵
Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.
15:11 The zionists arrived on the scene, and said "we're willing to share your land", the Palestinians said "no", and this justifies ethnic cleansing? Then can someone share someone else's house in the same way? I don't understand this logic.
There is no Palestine going back in history which country was conquered by Babylonian during the ancient times, it mentions Israel, when roman invaded the holy land which country mentioned Israel, Palestine never mentioned because Islam without lies will die
No, what he says is that the ethnic cleansing took part in the context of the 1948 War. The Arabs were trying to wipe out the Jews, either kill them or remove them. Israelis were trying to do the same. Well, Israel won. If Palestinians didn't want to be removed, maybe they shouldn't have started that war. They literally were offered a state of their own, but they rejected that because they couldn't accept the existence of a Jewish state. It's laughable to me that one would attack their neighbor but then be surprised that this neighbor would expel them. And remember the Arabs would have done the same if not worse. Furthermore, the majority of the 700,000 had fled as is normal in war. Most were not forcibly expelled
People started to say there was starvation going on in Gaza less than two weeks after Hamas attacked Israel. I know the Middle East well. For months we saw a lot, and I do mean a lot, of significantly overweight men and women so it wasn't them who were starving. The latest video of Yahya Sinwar, his kids and children living in the tunnels showed ample bags of food labeled UNRWA while his PhD wife was carrying a $40,000 Burkin handbag! We also saw many Gazans stealing food aid and reselling it at high prices. If people starved it was because no one around them was showing charity. Yes people died from already having health problems like diabetes, heart disease, obesity, needing kidney dialysis, etc. But don't say many died from starvation.
Yes, because starvation already existed before the Oct 8th genocide-are you really that dense? Also, why would people be re-selling food at “high prices” if the demand is clearly low considering little starvation? Your own pathetic words betray you. Also, your words came in perfect comedic timing-since the Knesset is now banning UNRWA, which will most definitely exacerbate the starvation crisis in Gaza. But hey-keep one eye closed. I hope it serves you well.
Having fought as an infantryman in the Vietnam War, I know that you don’t conduct insurgencies by dropping 2,000-pound bombs and white phosphorus munitions on masses of civilians. If that is your battlefield doctrine, then it is obvious that your intent is genocidal. When my unit made contact inside villages, we could not call in artillery or air strikes and had to rely on helicopter gunships for precision targeting to avoid civilian deaths. My unit had to do the job the hard way by taking casualties while searching in the hooches, trenches, tunnels, and bunkers to get each enemy combatant with as few collateral deaths as possible. But the IDF’s target is the people.
How can you say such things against the most moral army in the world? I am of course emulating the stupidest views of IDF defenders. There really is no logical explanation other than they simply do not care about dead people. Israelis use so called Hanibal directive. They are allowed to use whatever force they want and kill their own people if necessary. It is not debated in the west but it is public knowledge in other parts of the world. They would rather kill their own people if there is a chance they would be captured. It is completely mental. If they do this to their own people, clearly they do not care what they are doing to their enemies.
@@johnwashington9292 2 million civilians died in Vietnam and the U.S. didn’t achieve its goals at all, committed tons of war crimes, Agent orange and napalm destroyed large swathes of the countryside and cities like Huế were virtually destroyed. Vietnam is one of the worst examples you could use to try to make your point, whether you were there or not.
The invasion of Gaza is not an "insurgency," nor a "counterinsurgency." It's a full-blown war. If you fought in the Vietnam War, you know that intensive bombing was part of that war as well. The US used both white phosphorous bombs and 2,000 lb. bombs in Vietnam, and while estimates of civilian deaths in the war vary, it was probably 1-3 million. That's on the order of the entire population of Gaza, not the 2% of the population that Hamas says has been killed in the current war. You participated in a war that killed on the order of 50x as many civilians as the war in Gaza -- do you accuse yourself and the US of "g-cide?"
The audience all bursting out laughing when Benny Morris says they haven't bombed any hospitals is the kind of humor I needed
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He's technically correct. Hospitals have not been destroyed by aerial bombs. But they have been hit by shelling, especially in cases where there has been active combat in the viscinity of hospitals or in the hospitals themselves. There has been ample evidence that Hamas has operated from within hospitals - maybe not as giant command centers, but they are definitely using them.
There are far more 'Palestinians' today than there were in 1948. The Palestinians managed to label every person born to a Palestinian after 1948 as a Palestinian refugee. Their birth rate has been very high. Also, Hamas/UNWRA don't distinguish between Hamas supporters/fighters killed from the general population.
You can call that a mass slaughter or mass killing, which is what a war is, and there would be an argument. A genocide implies intent, which every fact is against, the population growth, the numbers, the rates, etc. When they quote "in part" in the definition, it is still with intent to destroy all, otherwise every single conflict with casualty would be a genocide, which is ridiculous. The only thing that points to genocide is "genocidal language" by some ministers.
genocide means that one side wants to wipe another side! and let me remind u that before israel entered gaza, the 7.10 happened!!!!!!! israel did not decided to wipe gaza, israel wanted to kill hamas and to free the hostages!!!!!! let me remind u that if israel wanted to wipe gaza, one bomb we have could finish the job! instead, the idf warned the gazans before they attacked!!!!!! many idf soldiers died bcoz they did not bombed large areas in gaza, they entered by themselves! in genocide, u dont let aid to come inside gaza! u people are morrons! read first what genocide means!
Benny admitted that Hamas is not existential threat to Israel because it's tiny organization.Why does then Netanyahu along with his cabinet call Hamas existential threat to Israel?
Israel has never faced an existential threat. In may 1948, Gurion asked the head of Hagannah what are their chances in a war. He said "50-50'. In 67 every US and Israeli intelligence stated they would win the war in 7-10 days. During the 48 war, the European Jewish Zionist settlers fielded more fighting men than all the Arab armies combined. Israel today is a nuclear power and the 4 th strongest military .
@ 19:01 reminded me of the quote by Ghassan Kanafani (1936-1972). “They steal your bread, then give you a crumb of it… Then they demand you to thank them for their generosity… O their audacity!”
The most ironic thing he said is “the kid in Gaza will grow and understand that Hamas caused this” What about every orphan Israel created before October 7th throughout the decades !
You mean Hamas killed his parents, sisters, brothers, cousins and so on... I thought they were Israelis doing this killing but maybe you are looking at Israeli TV where Netanyahu is not a war criminal but a National hero!!
@@ElijahGabsi Arabs blame the Jews for anything bad that they experience. Not only Palestinian Arabs, all Arabs blame the Jews for their shortcomings and failures. There will be peace when the Arabs can take responsibility for their actions.
And how many Orphans did Islamic terrorists create in India. You are in no position to play victim Card. I see why God of Israel is cruel too because People goes shaitanic mode and hypocrites. Shame on you blackstone worshippers
Daniel Levy called it! Don’t expected different talking points from Israel. Israel doesn’t need to be honest given the impunity they enjoy internally and external partner’s insure.
Daniel Levy is wrong. he not understanding basic point. if a group of people who live amongst you want you dead , then i am sorry you either leave the area that uN gave me or live peacefully because me.
@@garyrotman7143how do you expect to leave with guards guarding the exits and a wall surrounding you on two sides and an ocean on the third side and cameras everywhere? Let's not forget fishermen are killed if they go out too far. You are like a caged guinea pig for Israel's spy and torture campaign! Instead of police over seeing you, the IDF who can barge into your house at 3 AM to question and torture your family! You live in a dream world where there is peace with Israeli occupation.
@@garyrotman7143 Plan Dalet started before the Israeli-Arab War... so Palestinians were attacked before - by your logic it is them who should be able to cleanse the area, are you sure you would support that? Read Ilan Pappe's book, the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, he is an Israeli historian.
@@garyrotman7143 Daniel Levy is spot on. The nation was built on the mass ethnic cleansing (planned in advance in Plan Dalet) of indigenous Palestinian people. The UN didn't grant the Jewish colonisers the right to do that.. and that created the intractable conflict we see now - the inevitable need to create apartheid and persecution to contain the dispossessed Palestinians.
@@RobPires that's also not his real name. They change their name to blend in to whatever region they invade. Tgen they get exiled and repeat tge process elsewhere
@@maxuser1221 do you share your house with a stranger? Palestinians Jews and Christian’s lived in Palestine 🇵🇸 for generations without any issue up until 1948 when Zionists decided to colonize Palestine.
Benny Morris was asked if you were Palestinian and were occupied by Zionists Israelis would resist the occupation he answer yes that yes came from the soul of Benny Morris which could not deny the inalienable right of a human being to freedom.
That was the most truthful thing he said and it took a man more than half his age to have him come to that realization. On another head to head I believe anti Zionist vs anti semitism. A young girl asked the older woman on the panel a very simple question, and the versed woman was stuck. She simply didn’t have the correct answer and it was obvious.
the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....
the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....
the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....
@@FactsMatter-wh7rr Benny Morris rewrote his own book after converting to Zionism. His first book on Palestinian history was quite honest. He had to eat up his own ideas.
I think he means that he does not know what they mean by saying “famine”. In everyday language famine encompasses much more than the strict scientific definition of famine. For exemple, malnutrition is not the same as famine, and famine is not the same as starvation, etc.
From the multi made up stories abt oct, to the trrist list which was actually a calender, to the non existent multi storey tunnels, to there were no civikians deleted, you can write a boom about their leis.
@@manila656 more people are tired of Islamists using western democracy to infiltrate governments and also tired of their Taqiyya to spread Islam whilst r@ping western women
Greeks and Assyrian Christians were also targeted, and so it is seen by some scholars as an attempt to cleanse all the Christians of Anatolia, who were 20% of the population at the time. Spoiler alert: they succeeded.
@@YUDI_Acoustic I agree it was a massive factor but for Armenians it wasn’t the primary factor. The primary factor is that the ottomans viewed the Armenians as aligned with foreign enemies like the Russians. This was exacerbated by Armenians being secondary citizens in the Ottoman Empire and being seen and treated as other. This is all as I understand it from my own research but I encourage you to look into it yourselves as well. But still, Christianity wasn’t the primary reason it just fueled the views of otherness in the Ottoman Empire that were already there
@@listentome271 he’s not referring to the 1915 Armenian genocide when he says Christian genocide. He’s referring to the cleansing of Christians in turkey after the war, from 1920 to 1924
You cannot eye some ones land as occupied when it never belonged to them in the first place ? By your argument why is Hezbollah in Lebanon ? Was Lebanon an Islamic country before the Palestinians and Syrians infiltrated Lebanon as refugees and slowly changed its demography ?
Yes, Palestinians don't know that they are evil even though they are evil by supporting Hamas. Hamas and their supporters (majority of Palestinians) are no different than Nazis.
I feel nostalgic about seeing Mehdi back on Head to Head and at the same time sad because we are still talking about Palestine being treated as sub human
@@hoangquang4241 mehdi does a lot of dishonest interview tactics Taking quotes way out of context ( for example Benny said Israel should strike Irans nuclear sites and then mehdi says you want to nuke ALL of Iran - which is a lie )
Yeah, you're giving a platform to these perverts, instead of shaming them. Especially, perhaps, with someone like Morris, who doesn't deny reality, but then goes on to justify Israel. What's the point of debating a Zionist pervert about whether Apartheid, mass murder and ethnic cleansing is justified or not?
Win every argument - by having a guest that is less eloquent, putting words into their mouth, interrupting their answers, and have a crowd with an opposite ideology at the start. Well done Mehdi.
If a thief comes to your house, claims all your belongings as his and then tells you to go and find yourself a place to live on the basement, would you not confront him and fight against him? This is exactly why Arabs in 40s and so on refused to give a away majority of the land to new comers and in much smaller population. By the way, those Turkish muslim Ottoman Empire saved you Jewesh from Spanish massacre. In their rule, Jewesh and many other non mudlims lived in peace with free education and tones more according their own religion and culture. The world is full of manupilators, which makes me sick.
The interesting part is that in Jerusalem you find a mosque built on top of a Jewish temple, not the other way around. You ever stopped a moment to actually think why? Who stole the land? Who came in the house, established a colonialist empire, said now it’s my house, built another house on top of your house to justify the claim? And no you can’t speak about the ottomans as saviors, want to look at ethnic cleansing and genocide, Turks are the masters of it. Want to look about stateless ppl who are being hunted for daring even to say the name of their home? Look inside Turkey, look at the Kurds and who is occupying their home. Look at Cyprus and who is occupying their homes.
@@fatmakaradag3011 1. it wasn't your house 2. You rejected the plan to share even though the world and the other side agreed 3. You then started war to kill the other side which you lost 4. You keep losing wars. 5. But you insist it's everyone's fault but yours.
Genocide has to have intent. Warcrimes have happened. Genocide has not. There is a difference. The holocaust was a genocide because the intent was to kill Jews in every country the Nazis were in. Including Palestine. The Turks committed genocide against the Assyrians after WW1 because they targetted Assyrian villages. At the very least ethnic cleansing. People are up in arms with Israel but Hamas planned an attack to literally kill every civilian they could find. They would have committed genocide if they could.
Go learn a bit about the world. Yemen Civil War(2014-): 377 000 deaths. Ethiopian Tigray War(2020-2022): Up to 600 000 deaths. Syrian Civil War(2011-): Around 600 000 deaths. Sudan Civil War(2023-): Up to 150 000 deaths. Are you calling any of these wars genocide? Are you out in the street protesting them?
You can't change the past, but if you're an American citizen you can do your best to stop your government facilitating exactly the same thing in Israel.
I wish there was something we could do as Americans to repay your ancestors for what mine did to yours. As a single, unimportant citizen of this country, there is realistically not much we can do to alter U.S. policy. But I hope I can convince you to vote. If you can convince two others to vote, then they each convince two others to vote, eventually it will make a difference. This is a generational fight that neither of us can win if we just give up if the next elections doesn't go our way. Politicians only care about votes, because votes=money. If we can prove that they will lose enough votes for their policies, they will change, but it won't happen in one cycle. It takes persistence. Keep voting brother, not just for president, but all the way down, Senator, State Representative, City Council, School Board, etc.
@angelvaldez8048 Well Angel, before reading your post, I had already questioned the German-Jewish genocide at six million Jews and another six million of commie's and Romani's etc being listed as greatest while Turtle Island genocide which was estimated at fifty-five million as not being the largest. Ironically, that likely reflects the power of i$rae£i propaganda, which ironically largely Jewish ei, (Electronic Intafada) accuses of being complicit with hitler nazi's. Benny Morris here is defending i$rae£ which is the most criminal racist operation on earth today.
I am sure Benny Morris is a nice man, but I find him delusional. His love of his own does not permit him to see the humanity of the Palestinian. It is absurd to think that the Palestinians don’t have the numbers of dead to constitute a genocide or ethnic cleansing. If you changed the labels around and talked about the Palestinians as if they were Jews he would change his tune. Do not the Palestinians have a right to exist?
Norman is an intellectual to the imbeciles. He has no real accomplishments aside from being a Jew who supports the extermination of his own people by Arabs.
No listening to Benny, he is being pro israel and you are pro palestine...the problem is you grew up in intolerant environment...you are intolerant and cannot take in dissenting voices without becoming emotional and "genocidal" against Benny😂😂
It's a war started by Hamas supported by these very Gaza civilians who are in the line of fire. Hamas had put those civilians in the line of fire by starting a war totally supported by those very same Palestians. They've brought up the genocide idea so, look at it. Did the American stand up and complain about genocide when the British its allies begin to bomb the cities of Germany in their efforts to end Nazism. Keep in mind that with the death of Hitler Nazism came to an end (relatively speaking), Islam and it's dedication to the destruction of every other people the world including the freedom it's own female population will never end regardless of the outcome in this particular attack by ISLAM again!!!!!!!!
@@CarolKelly-f6fwell that's a lot of really incorrect information you've swallowed there! Get better hasbara. Most of these points are easily disproven.
Palestine is not Poland. Learn the difference and let it sink in. Free Palestine again from racist European colonial squatter invaders and genocidal war criminals
I feel like Bennys words are definitely going to come back to haunt him. That is from this interview not just apparently everything he has said previously.
There is a collective insanity in Israel. They've created it generation by generation, treating Palestinians with utter contempt, attempting by every means to make them stateless, to deny them any agency , to go on the world stage and attempt to demonize them for 75 years. With the full cooperation of the United States, irrespective of administration in Washington.... Successive American governments are totally involved in this colonialization program, fully complicit, bankrolling it and arming it to the nines.
That's the first time I've seen him in an actual interview and it was a disappointment. So many people through the years have looked to him to explain Israel, albeit from a Zionist perspective. He's blatantly acting in bad faith now, even contradicting his pervious positions.
@@raincadeify The reality is that’s it’s the media who has acted in the extremely bad faith with the hospital thing. He’s just being honest about what the evidence shows.
@@ChrisAlbertH47basically like how Donald Trump got clowned extremely hard at the black journalists conference and then claimed in his failing platform that he did magnificent
@politicas3361 Exactly. The attacking armies told them to leave and they would be able to come back with even more land once they destroyed the evil " Jews. " That didn't go as planned. Now they label it the " Nakba ". 😂
One of the parts that stuck with me most was in the first half, when Morris says the Jewish people being moved into Palestine by the British accepted compromises, but the people already living there weren't, and that somehow makes the people who were already living there unreasonable. As though if someone moves a stranger into your home, and says it is fine because the newcomer only gets *some* of the rooms, you are unreasonable if you don't accept.
Actually jews were there for a lot of years even before that. I can't truly say who was there first but both group's religions have ties and a history with the place and it should be respected. I don't think we as people should make any analogies on things like you did because it diminishes a lot of important information. and besides if we dont accept one another then we are going to have a really densly populated planet with a lot of wars.. full disclosure for those who care, I am an Israeli
@@orianmenashe8661 I wasn't talking about all Jewish people throughout time; I was talking about Jewish people moving from Britain to Palestine. If I moved from the U.S. to Israel right now, my being Jewish wouldn't make me not an immigrant, and if I took half your house on the grounds I believe a distant ancestor of mine lived there centuries ago, I don't think that would make it OK or obligate you to “compromise” about it.
That’s the thing. I think the UN made a grave mistake in giving the same vote to Palestinians and Israelis as the rest of the world on resolution where both parties were actually going to live out the consequences. This meant that only one party can agree in spite of the other and the resolution still passes. This in itself is a grave mistake because you can’t force sovereignty on land merely on the basis of such a vote. Not that it would’ve been right to do so without the agreement of both parties, but the UN didn’t have some kind of international military to enforce the resolution either.
@@ZMYaro there was massive Arab immigration, some of it illegal. The British didn't stop it. Here: There was huge scale migration of Arabs into Israel, attracted by the development and jobs. Robert F. Kennedy visited the British Mandate of Palestine in 1948. He said: "The Jews point with pride to the fact that over 500,000 Arabs, in the 12 years between 1932-1944, came into Palestine to take advantage of living conditions existing in no other Arab state"
Firstly, I thought Al Jazeera re-uploaded some old debate of Mehdi but it turned out different.... Welcome back Mehdi on Head to Head... Glad that we'll chance to see more such debates
You are talking in the name of your government, of course. He is not ashame to be in Al Jazeera and talk only grap Hopefully he get a very good rasage, I feel sorry for him. 😢
Daniel Levy's comment in the second part is a good reflection on how their narrative has changed over time and vulgarized to a point that they don't even have to justify themselves
And its on display in that very room. Which other intellectual can write books and say this "Ethnic cleansing was justified" and still have work anywhere and not be shunned and alienated by all media? Only Israelis.
No, YOU are evil. Or not very smart. (i) 40,000 is a Hamas number (ii) even if the number were true: it includes Hamas fighters. They purposefully mix Hamas and civilians together in order to promote their victimhood narrative
It would be important to point out that police forces in palestinian towns are being cut off of resources and gangs are being bribed - intentionally by israel- in order to elevate criminal rates. Benis Morris should have heard this when he went on his racist rant
That and the near perfect incarceration rate for Arab-Israelis and Palestinians throughout the OPT. There are so many wildly discriminatory laws against Palestinians, and as soon as you get arrested you can almost guarantee the courts will convict or never try your case and let you sit in jail
You are confusing between West bank Palestinians and Israeli Arabs.. Benny is right about it, search it up, the murder rates in the Arab community in Israel is like 200 this year, much much more than in the jewish community. There is no conspiracy here, the police fears the gangs, they have a lot of smuggled weapons from jordan.
Gazans have been supposedly starving to death for over 40 years yet their population has kept growing. Fascinating how that happens. Also, don't blame Israel for hamas' habit of taking rations for themselves.
Depends on how brainrotted you are. Benny could choose to sit in front of an audience that all applaud and agree with him. But he's choosing to have these conversations to try and bridge an understanding. A great example was the audience question towards genocide. It's so easy to level the claim. It's far more difficult to tangle with the reality that your government chose an action they knew would induce so much death, and somehow none of them want to take responsibility for it.
It is very convenient for Benny Morris to begin with his claim that the conflict began on Oct. 7th. It is disappointing that an historian would not begin his presentation acknowledging and examining the situation leading up to Oct. 7th. Of course, that would totally undermine his efforts to present Israeli Jews as the victims. It sounds very much like the arguments that Nazis would have made to explain the necessity of their efforts to deal with the Jewish threat to their security.
This situation is a war, you probably don't like it but it's a war and sure it started before this but you lost that as well. How about not trying to kill Jews hey? Just a thought
When did it start then? At the 7th century, with the expansionism and colonialism of Arabs who conquered the lands and ethnically cleansed these lands causing the natives to leave? You can lie as much as you like and use modern propaganda words, but you can’t deny history and facts. And yes it is a mosque built on top of a Jewish temple, not the other way around, guess which existed first.
@@twisterli9177The fact that Hamas was funded by Israel, Egypt and Qatar, which Israel ordered to keep doing so when they were about to stop, that’s pretty relevant if you really care so much about October 7th. Or maybe is it just an excuse for you to defend war crimes like famine and the killings of more than 40 000 civilians. Israel had my sympathies until you guys showed yourselves for the monsters you really are.
@@twisterli9177Why would you think Israelis and Palestinians living today are cross-compatible with any Jewish or Muslim group that has been dead for over 1000 years? I’m not sure why anyone living 10 centuries ago would be representative or cross compatible with any victims and perpetrators today, unless you just see people as groups of ethnicities with no regard for nuance or reality. Most of the population knows someone older than the state of Israel so the history of its official development is important context with regard to how it exists and operates today.
You do not know what genocide is. Define it for me please. I'll let you use google and when you proudly send me the right definition, I'll explain to you why you can't read. Go on, do it.
That's not what I felt while observing that. Mehdi Hassan constantly interrupted him, jumped rapidly between points, constantly misrepresent him and constantly quoted him out of context.
@@yossibtkOut of context like how? 27:00 Like how he didn't say all Arbs are barbaric but he said Arab world are barbaric and that was supposed to be out of context?
This guy spews so many lies and fallacies I don’t have time to comment on all of them. But I find the continual deflection that “it’s not a genocide because they’re not being killed fast enough” is particularly disgusting. The Nazis could have killed their victims faster as well. Genocide isn’t just about killing, it’s about dehumanizing your victims, getting your society to accept and join in the crimes, and creating a narrative of superiority over your victims.
That's not what genocide is. Genocide is killing people with the intent to exterminate an entire people on the basis of race, religion, nationality etc. Israel clearly does not have genocidal intent or else Israeli Arab citizens would also have been killed which is definitely not the case.
@@ahklys1321he spends the first 10 minutes advancing this absurd claim, capping it off explicitly around 8:50. It’s a common fallacy advanced by Israel and it’s delusional supporters.
22:41 BRUHH, as atheist Indonesian myself i can tell you that The spread of Islam in Indonesia took place peacefully due to trade and inter-marrying with locals.... just like how Hinduism and Buddhism spread in Indonesia even before Islam comes to Indonesia... ain't no war nor conquest did take place in order only to spread Islam in Indonesia... get your fact and homework right next time
Hi do you also agree it was not the same with MANY other countries thet islam was spread by the sword rapeing of women children and the brutal murders by Islamic murderers 😢
"Jakarta", the name of the most populous city in indonesia, derives from the term "precious victory". Which precious victory is the city named after? The destruction of the hindu majapahit, at the hands of the muslim conquerors, including, for example, trenggana. These terms can easily be independently confirmed. Now... what peaceful spread of islam in indonesia are we talking about?
@@fesyuki Just because there was a not an external imperial caliphate present then does not make the history peaceful. Islam was spread by terror and coercion of elites and then locals in Java.
@@PeterP-cq6mdI don’t see how. He’s grilled Qatari officials way before coming after Zionists. And when he does say something most of the time it’s quoting someone else. What do you mean misinformation?
@@cristianflorin5970 palestine as a term has existed for over 2.000 years and the people has been living there for over 5.000 years. Rats from Europe and foreign lands should gtfo
Israeli logic: steal all the tvs you can from the store and beg to 'share' when you get arrested
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Actually - there were indeed Jewish communities in Ottoman and British mandate Palestine, and in the decades leading up to 1948, Jews did in fact purchase and develope large areas of land in Palestine, so it's not so simple to just say "It wasn't their land". If you buy land, then it is your land.
Jews were 2-3% of the population in 1889 and went up to 8% in 1917 due to immigration from european zionists. The british took over in 1917 and opened the flood gates for european jewish immigration which increased the share of population from 8% in 1917 to 30% in 1947. The jews owned less than 6% of the land in 1947. So they owned
I’m an American. The talking point “Arabs are a violent culture” is exactly the same we hear about blacks in the US. They talk about murder and crime and “black on black” crime being out of control in the US, as if that’s evidence of a moral failing of black people. It’s racist because it completely ignores the socioeconomic realities they face as a group. Take away their choices, their livelihoods, overpolice them, tell them they’re being ridiculous when they speak up, portray them as threats on the news, and you get to avoid any responsibility for the consequences of THOSE actions. But it’s all about individual responsibility when they break the law. “Man makes his own history, but he does not make it in conditions of his own choosing.” - Marx The overwhelming majority of people around the are doing the best they can with the options presented to them, options they did not choose for themselves. The system of capitalism, global hegemony, exploitation, and imperialism is warping the options available to people, and forcing them to make decisions that are detrimental to themselves and those around them. So it needs to end.
@@aslan_fields ah yes, and your comment really dives into the substance of what I said and what the video was about. Really engaging and informative. Well done.
@chessenthusiast @lanirassaf All right. Here is something with substance for you. Your comment attempts to paint a broad picture of systemic oppression through a Marxist lens, but it falls into the trap of oversimplification and ideological rigidity. Comparing the struggles of Arabs and Black Americans with the historical materialism of Marxism might sound intellectually appealing, but it ignores the complexity and diversity of human experience. First, the notion that capitalism and imperialism are solely to blame for the hardships faced by certain groups of people is a reductionist view that overlooks the agency of individuals and communities. It’s not just about “the system” forcing people into certain behaviors; there are myriad factors at play, including culture, personal choices, and historical context. Blaming everything on capitalism removes personal responsibility and dismisses the potential for positive change within the existing framework. Moreover, invoking Marx to explain modern social issues is problematic. Marxist theory, while influential, is not a one-size-fits-all explanation for every societal problem. It’s a 19th-century ideology that doesn’t account for the nuances of 21st-century global dynamics. The world has changed dramatically since Marx's time, and clinging to his theories without acknowledging the evolution of economics, politics, and society is intellectually lazy. Finally, your conclusion that capitalism and imperialism must end is not only extreme but also unrealistic. It’s easy to call for the overthrow of systems, but much harder to propose viable alternatives that address the complex needs of billions of people. Revolutions in the name of Marxism have historically led to authoritarian regimes and widespread suffering. Instead of romanticizing revolution, a more constructive approach would be to advocate for reform, dialogue, and practical solutions within the current systems that have the flexibility to adapt and improve. In short, your argument oversimplifies complex issues, relies too heavily on outdated ideology, and offers no realistic path forward. If you truly care about addressing these injustices, you need to move beyond ideological dogma and engage with the world as it is, not as Marx imagined it. On a personal note, I lived half of my life in a country founded on the principles you so cherish. Having this experience, I submit that you would not be so adamant in your beliefs if you had the same.
Mahdi welcome back. Palestine is english speakers in Arabic speakers and non english speaking muslim countries its always pronounced as " falestine " the zionist guy in the panel claiming Palestine is fake because there is no "p" letter in Arabic alphabates is embrassing!
The problem is that it really is Palestine with a P. It’s not an Arabic word and the name Palestine is a western colonial invention. So the fact that Arabs can’t pronounce it is relevant.
@@abdullahx4908 not true at all. The area was divided radically differently prior to World War One when the Turks ruled the area for 500 years. For example there was the province of Beirut which included present day Haifa. There was no overarching name for the region as Palestine outside western sources. The Arabs never called it that, defining themselves by clan and village or simply Arab and Muslim, until modern times, borrowing Palestine and the concept of the nation state from the British and the west who named it that based on older sources that have nothing to do with the Arabs and Islam. For instance the area of the Turkish Empire that was taken over by the British in the east they named the British Mandate for Mesopotamia-also an ancient western term for the region, but not a native one. When the Arabs achieved independence there, they changed it to Iraq. Yet you see no one protesting about how the name was originally Mesopotamia and now there is a fake new country called Iraq, yet this is the same process that happened with Palestine changing to Israel and also with the creation of Jordan as well, the latter also a new country founded by outsiders (the Hashemites) on top of native tribes, also created by the British, with a parallel Balfour-type declaration that gave those lands to these outside foreigners (the Hashemites) to come in and take over.
@@AlwaysGrowAndLearnah sure the western colonial invention which is stated in the Bible and other documents, before there was even western colonialism, sounds logic, haha
@@nito8373 it’s called Israel or Judah in the Bible, the homeland of the Jewish people. And yes the west inherited its idea of Palestine as a unique political entity from this Jewish tradition, in particular Roman emperor Hadrian’s decision, as a punishment, to change the name of the land Judea (it’s native Jewish name in Roman times) to Palestine, after several failed Jewish revolts against Roman control.
Benny, the problem with your last answer is, that kid might not have a chance to grow up, get educated and then reflect on the historical aspects of the killing of his parents. This kid might more likely have been died due to various reasons or joined a terrorist group and carried out a suicide attack.
The final comment of Benny Morris brought tears to my eyes. How can such a person who says he genuinely feels that way be so deep into zionist ideology, sit there defending genocidal maniacs, and say he did NOT see anything!!?? Why?! He KNOWS this is wrong, he absolutely KNOWS this is a genocidal regime, and he knows Palestine is fighting for their freedom. He is just a sell-out, that's what he is.
Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.
He's a product of his society. The one currently having it out over where they can shove sticks. I'm sure he sees what he's doing as a 'necessary evil'.
He did not defend the current govt but in fact criticized them and said he doesn’t agree with how they’re conducting the war. He was trying to provide a nuanced position, and he was also trying to show empathy… something which is not given to him by people like you who don’t seem to give him an honest hearing.
No dude. I haven't claimed anything. Benny Morris himself says these things at various times. This talk AND others. Benny morris just turned. And shut his eyes.@@PeterP-cq6md
how much is enough? and what evidence do you need more than the own words of Gallant, ben Gvir and Smotrich. I have the receiptes you know and I can post them image and voice.
@@bash676 genocide can occur with 2 deaths, genocide doesn't even require death. The number of people dead is completely irrelevant if the special intent to genocide is not there. That doesn't mean deaths aren't BAD, we can still call it very bad, just not a genocide.
@@bash676 1) How much is enough? There is literally no limit. All of gaza could theoretically be killed without it being a genocide. 2) No amount of anecdotal statements make up a specific intent. You'd need to show it was translated into actual actions of the IDF.
@abdc2990 > The IDF has rendered the entire area of the Gaza strip uninhabitable. > Gazans will have to move out and leave their homes (which are over 50% reduced to rubble, again, by the IDF) and head elsewhere. > The 1948 Geneva convention states that any acts which are carried out with [the Nebulous] Genocidal intention, constitue a Genocide. > One of those acts is imposing on a population the living conditions which would force them to leave their homes. > Israel has already done that in the case of the Gaza strip. > Many Israeli officials have expressed that the only way for Israel to be safe is to have the entire Gaza syrip flattened and push its inhabitants to the Sinai. > The same officials also said they will stop at nothing to keep Israel safe. If you are going to say "Clearly it is not Genocide, the israeli politicians say what they are doing is to keep Israel safe, and that isn't an Intention of genocide" Know that the Third Reich Chancellor also thought what he was doing was necessary for the safety of germany.
Hey considering Palestinians will happily cheer for Hamas, who make no qualms about hiding in hospitals, firing rockets from schools, disguising as civilians etc - directly leading to the qualification of non-combatant entities as valid targets (as per rules of engagement and international law), you need to wonder how highly Palestinians themselves think of Palestinian lives lol. Israel is building a nation. Hamas is building rockets.
Sorry but Benny is by far the calmest, least emotional person in this debate. Actually pretty dang courageous. The interviewer constantly refusing to let Benny clarify the context is so ridiculous. Interviewer is almost unbearable.
I agree, I like hearing what he says and he undermines his own self with his speech vs his books, although I don’t agree with his white washing or “Zion washing” of history
This stupid mehdi hasan should also talk about Balochistan..... pakistan is committing ethnikkkk cleaanssiing in Balochistan.... mehdi is blind towards atrocities of Pakistan.... shame shame shame...
You are doing exactly what Hamas wants and are prolonging the war. Hamas is doing this because they know YOU will blame Israel and not them!!! BiBi is not causing this… YOU are! Hamas has only one goal which is the destruction and delegitimizing Israel And they know extreme leftist like YOU are desperately virtue signaling and want to blame their own people instead of the Islamic extremist group Hamas is fighting an ideological religious war and they don’t care if you are a “good” person or not. They don’t care if you have “values” or not They have been taught that Jews are bad and must be removed completely. Period. You have been delaying the return of the hostage by blaming Israel instead of putting all the blame on Hamas, because you don’t want to upset Hamas. They are beyond this, you can’t get more extreme and they will not respond to your kindness. In Iran, they killed all the socialists after they got into power! That's why 90% of Iranian want to remove the Mullah's from power. The Jews and Iranians are the most ancient peoples in the middle east and they are OCCUPIED by Islamic Extremist who want to destroy anything that is not Islamic.
What are you complaining about!?! According to the ideology of Hamas all these people die as martyrers and go straight to paradise.. They provoked this war and are responsible for what is going on in Gaza!
@kwolf2145 You are the terrorist. Israel is projecting, and you are falling for it hook, line, and sinker. The same thing was said about the freedom fighters in South Africa. I'd say you need some growing up to do in the left hemisphere of your brain.
@@MissAki1are you going to forget the 240 plus Palestinians killed (in the West Bank) in 2023 alone BEFORE Oct 7th???? Are you going to forget the 75 plus years BEFORE Oct 7th??? Are you going to IGNORE all the uncharged Palestinian HOSTAGES (many of whom are CHILDREN) that Israel arrests without charges and holds in underground dungeons where many are tortured and killed??
I hope everyone sees that Benny Morris just DOES NOT care about Palestinians and rather they live or die!!! He can call himself left wing if he chooses but today that means nothing in Israel!! Israel is literally an evil genocidal bloodthirsty death cult!!!
@@elganty1 Hamas is a product of Bibi's apartheid and genocide. He only has himself to blame for them. He even supported financially supported them as we you're probably aware “Anyone who wants to foil the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of funds to Hamas.” (Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu - Likud meeting, March 2019
He already used a fallacy 2 minutes in by saying “Muslim Turks genocide 2 million Christians.” Those genocides started happening AFTER the Ottomans began to secularize and liberalize their government. When the Ottomans were ruled by God-fearing men and not the Three Pashas or Ataturk, Christians and Jews were treated as protected citizens. They were not required to serve in any military conquests or defense and had the right to practice their faith without threat of harm. This was how it was until the Ottomans stepped away from Islam and consequently met their demise for doing so.
I beg to disagree. Medhi Hassan is a bully when he interviews people.He often do not let them talk.Always trying to put his own clause or narrative on whatever they end up saying
@@thrillhouse9633 I feel realy sad to see this because the more they do this less talk will have to slove the conflict and the palestinians are the ones who suferred more, benny is pro peace you should not attack someone that you may have disagreements but in the end probrably want something close of that you want
@@thrillhouse9633Mehdi Hassan gave the psychopath numerous opportunities to make a distinction between himself and the genocidal monsters of the apartheid state and in every case, he double down on the Israeli positions, assuming against all evidence that all of their unsupported claims about Hamas being everywhere they bomb are true, and assuming the Palestinians are 100% the aggressors, never mind that they have a long history of slaughtering 10 to 20 times the amount of innocent Palestinian civilians as the losses they used as a pretext for their violence; but in this case it's looking like they're going for maybe a thousand times as much carnage as Hamas could ever dream of inflicting. The psychopath just made himself look as evil as possible; you can't blame his disgusting support for the genocide on Mehdi Hassan for simply giving him the opportunity to expose his vile bigoted psychopathy. Now you've exposed your own inhuman bloodlust as you cheer on the slaughter of innocent Palestinian children.
Well maybe their leaders shouldn’t have started a war. Just like these days. Always starting genocidal wars and then whining about their consequences when you lose. Not feeling sorry.
@@casualt2212 Putting words in someone’s mouth is as a valid argument as me calling you a pedophile right now. I never said I don’t view them as people you mor on
Remember it was Jordan who told the people scattered in open areas to leave as Iraq, Egypt and Jordan were going to war with Israel. What Jordan didn't tell these people who left was they didn't know or care if they came back to their land after the fighting stopped.
5:30 "isreal didnt bomb hospitals it was hamas, also hamas is hiding in hospitals" so which one is it? why would hamas bomb their own "hiding spots"? make sense for once
of the 10’s of thousands of rockets fired from the islamists in gaza towards israel, thousands of them fell short and landed on their own territory and killed their own. that help you make sense a bit?
@@Shaclone as expected. nobody on the pro-palestine side has never succumbed to reasonable argument. their only aim is to discredit anybody that is able to point out flaws in their emotional response, representative of this “interview” which was really just a room full of useful idiots trying to catch out a reasonable and dignified man who actually has good arguments for what he believes
It's painful that people are still believing lies like genocide when there's been zero evidence of that claim. Populations must decrease dramatically to be a genocide. Palestine's population has quadrupled since 1948. Go look up how much the population has exploded in the war Palestine started and could easily end to protect their own deliberately unprotected children. Facts matter 💯
22:40 Indonesian here. There's no such thing as "Arab colonialism" in Indonesia history. Religion wise: Hindu, Buddha, and Islam spread in Indonesia peacefully through trades and merchants. It's only Christianity which spread through European (Dutch) colonialism.
@@Ssalamanderr you still sitting with famine, prove the other thousand word he said was false, like i said you the one who talk about one dish with more salt. You go and attack someone and when he beat you up you go and cry the world over saying he beat me, that is what your people are doing, if you have guts fight face to face and then cry we will support you, we are not fools to not see what you doing.
I have the ultimate solution.. Let's evolve past fairytales of organised religion and the ownership of land and move forward as human beings living on the same planet..
He hasn't been avoiding such debates because he still lives in the false hope that he has a superior talking point unfortunately that contrary reality is fast setting in.
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Let them speak, they expose themselves shamelessly.
Everyone knows today that Israel is a terrorist organisation.
Not really
@@usmanzaib574 Trey have been stealing and lying for 8 decades. But the mountain of their lies is crumbling now.
Their arrogance is sky high. Their disregard for human life and values is not hidden
Medhi Hasan got bodied, that's why he had to keep interrupting him
"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals."
Edward Snowden
When those who commit crimes are enemies of those who also commit crimes with those who rule both sides indeed commits crime you may live in either Israel or perhaps Chicago.
-Josh Swagerty
this doesn't even work in this context...
Love this quote.
@@corgthedestroyer4096 thank you
@@corgthedestroyer4096 yes it dies stfu
Did I just witness a French immigrant tell a Palestinian woman “(..) this is our land”.
I know these people are shameless and he only moved there in 1993 for work
Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.
He is actually right.The land was called Judeea way before the Arab invasion of 7th century
@@echoe4806living in a place doesn't make it your land. The land existed before Jacob was born.
You are a thief, and you will say anything justify your thievery.
@@echoe4806 white people born in Europe when asked to do a DNA test get scared but still claim jewish heritage and claim right over a land while those who have heritage in the land and are one of the semitic faiths and were living there for thousands of years suddenly loose that right?
By that logic All americans should move back to europe and the indigenous population should have complete control over America.
No wonder they say being white means simply not bright
For the life of me, I will never understand why people agree to be publicly humiliated by Mehdi over and over again. Regardless, I love it and I hope they never stop 😂
top tier humour!
It all depends on how you frame your argument. It can seem like a good idea until you’re slapped with reality.
@@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheitupsss that old man have been slapped by his own philosophy books 😂
In the name of Justice
@@Jiilaker you know, maybe he was under threat from Mossad so he went against his own work?
Emmanuel Navon a French Jew who immigrated to Israel in 1993 is telling a Palestinian woman who has roots in the land for 1000s of years " We didn't come to you, This is our land" is the biggest joke is the history of mindkind
1000s of years? did you not watch the video?
@@thedetective999two6 he did
@@hothdog hundreds of years, not thousands
And where do you think Emmanuel Navon ancestors come from?
For the record Al Jazeera is funded by terror organizations through Qatar. Also research is not based on one person. There's something called a sample size. Also I think archeology and not Islamic fundamentalists determines that Jews lived in Israel before Allah became a thing. Such BS no wonder why Yemen Syria Sudan Somalia are shitholes infested with the same ideology being preached by Hatemas and Hizbullshit. Israel is a miracle surrounded by hate but we are not going anywhere 🇺🇲💪🇮🇱💯🩵
"You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"
Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.
76 years and counting is a long time
It will not end until the return of Jesus. I hope I’m wrong.
@@abdul123411 you are not wrong unfortunately
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15:11 The zionists arrived on the scene, and said "we're willing to share your land", the Palestinians said "no", and this justifies ethnic cleansing? Then can someone share someone else's house in the same way? I don't understand this logic.
There is no Palestine going back in history which country was conquered by Babylonian during the ancient times, it mentions Israel, when roman invaded the holy land which country mentioned Israel, Palestine never mentioned because Islam without lies will die
No, what he says is that the ethnic cleansing took part in the context of the 1948 War. The Arabs were trying to wipe out the Jews, either kill them or remove them. Israelis were trying to do the same. Well, Israel won. If Palestinians didn't want to be removed, maybe they shouldn't have started that war. They literally were offered a state of their own, but they rejected that because they couldn't accept the existence of a Jewish state. It's laughable to me that one would attack their neighbor but then be surprised that this neighbor would expel them. And remember the Arabs would have done the same if not worse. Furthermore, the majority of the 700,000 had fled as is normal in war. Most were not forcibly expelled
Maybe you have to first see Palestinians as a lesser being, then will only you understand old Benny here.
You mean the British Mandate of Palestine?
They should go back to Europe
This guy eventually saying that no one has died in Gaza due to starvation,directly refusing UN.
Say too, there is no Gaza in the world!
People started to say there was starvation going on in Gaza less than two weeks after Hamas attacked Israel. I know the Middle East well. For months we saw a lot, and I do mean a lot, of significantly overweight men and women so it wasn't them who were starving. The latest video of Yahya Sinwar, his kids and children living in the tunnels showed ample bags of food labeled UNRWA while his PhD wife was carrying a $40,000 Burkin handbag! We also saw many Gazans stealing food aid and reselling it at high prices. If people starved it was because no one around them was showing charity. Yes people died from already having health problems like diabetes, heart disease, obesity, needing kidney dialysis, etc. But don't say many died from starvation.
Or the UN are lying.
Yes, because starvation already existed before the Oct 8th genocide-are you really that dense? Also, why would people be re-selling food at “high prices” if the demand is clearly low considering little starvation? Your own pathetic words betray you.
Also, your words came in perfect comedic timing-since the Knesset is now banning UNRWA, which will most definitely exacerbate the starvation crisis in Gaza.
But hey-keep one eye closed. I hope it serves you well.
The point is how many? 5? Allegedly? That's not a famine.
The UN that claimed Hamas mortality numbers are reliable? That UN? Why would they lie?
“They may be discriminated against in certain ways” - mental. Absolutely mental.
is there any society where there is no discrimination?
Yes there is , which why humans strive to better themselves by viewing such behaviour in contempt and disgust @@candacemildred9906
@@candacemildred9906What's your point?
If so, to what degree and is it therefore okay?
Talk about discrimination in Arabic countries.
Everywhere has discrimination. Stop fooling yourself
Having fought as an infantryman in the Vietnam War, I know that you don’t conduct insurgencies by dropping 2,000-pound bombs and white phosphorus munitions on masses of civilians. If that is your battlefield doctrine, then it is obvious that your intent is genocidal.
When my unit made contact inside villages, we could not call in artillery or air strikes and had to rely on helicopter gunships for precision targeting to avoid civilian deaths. My unit had to do the job the hard way by taking casualties while searching in the hooches, trenches, tunnels, and bunkers to get each enemy combatant with as few collateral deaths as possible. But the IDF’s target is the people.
How can you say such things against the most moral army in the world? I am of course emulating the stupidest views of IDF defenders. There really is no logical explanation other than they simply do not care about dead people. Israelis use so called Hanibal directive. They are allowed to use whatever force they want and kill their own people if necessary. It is not debated in the west but it is public knowledge in other parts of the world. They would rather kill their own people if there is a chance they would be captured. It is completely mental. If they do this to their own people, clearly they do not care what they are doing to their enemies.
It takes a lot to make the US in Vietnam look good
@@BobcatSmokey SO THE IDF IS A BUNCH OF LAZY HONORLESS MURDERS?.. GOT IT.
@@johnwashington9292 2 million civilians died in Vietnam and the U.S. didn’t achieve its goals at all, committed tons of war crimes, Agent orange and napalm destroyed large swathes of the countryside and cities like Huế were virtually destroyed. Vietnam is one of the worst examples you could use to try to make your point, whether you were there or not.
The invasion of Gaza is not an "insurgency," nor a "counterinsurgency." It's a full-blown war. If you fought in the Vietnam War, you know that intensive bombing was part of that war as well. The US used both white phosphorous bombs and 2,000 lb. bombs in Vietnam, and while estimates of civilian deaths in the war vary, it was probably 1-3 million. That's on the order of the entire population of Gaza, not the 2% of the population that Hamas says has been killed in the current war. You participated in a war that killed on the order of 50x as many civilians as the war in Gaza -- do you accuse yourself and the US of "g-cide?"
The audience all bursting out laughing when Benny Morris says they haven't bombed any hospitals is the kind of humor I needed
He's technically correct. Hospitals have not been destroyed by aerial bombs. But they have been hit by shelling, especially in cases where there has been active combat in the viscinity of hospitals or in the hospitals themselves. There has been ample evidence that Hamas has operated from within hospitals - maybe not as giant command centers, but they are definitely using them.
I appreciate your sensibility, you are very alone in this comment section
Lie after lie after lie… keep watching cnn or fox
@@Nate.Guwop33 Maybe, just maybe.... it's you who is being lied to?
Morris having Dimensia ???
If this situation does not constitute genocide, then the definition of "genocide" itself must be reconsidered.
There are far more 'Palestinians' today than there were in 1948. The Palestinians managed to label every person born to a Palestinian after 1948 as a Palestinian refugee. Their birth rate has been very high. Also, Hamas/UNWRA don't distinguish between Hamas supporters/fighters killed from the general population.
It doesn't fit the definition. It's not about morality it's about the definition of words.
Ya no he was was not making a valid point. Because it is already a genocide at this point under the current definition.@@charliepee4358
You can call that a mass slaughter or mass killing, which is what a war is, and there would be an argument. A genocide implies intent, which every fact is against, the population growth, the numbers, the rates, etc. When they quote "in part" in the definition, it is still with intent to destroy all, otherwise every single conflict with casualty would be a genocide, which is ridiculous. The only thing that points to genocide is "genocidal language" by some ministers.
genocide means that one side wants to wipe another side! and let me remind u that before israel entered gaza, the 7.10 happened!!!!!!! israel did not decided to wipe gaza, israel wanted to kill hamas and to free the hostages!!!!!! let me remind u that if israel wanted to wipe gaza, one bomb we have could finish the job! instead, the idf warned the gazans before they attacked!!!!!! many idf soldiers died bcoz they did not bombed large areas in gaza, they entered by themselves! in genocide, u dont let aid to come inside gaza! u people are morrons! read first what genocide means!
Benny admitted that Hamas is not existential threat to Israel because it's tiny organization.Why does then Netanyahu along with his cabinet call Hamas existential threat to Israel?
Israel has never faced an existential threat. In may 1948, Gurion asked the head of Hagannah what are their chances in a war. He said "50-50'. In 67 every US and Israeli intelligence stated they would win the war in 7-10 days.
During the 48 war, the European Jewish Zionist settlers fielded more fighting men than all the Arab armies combined.
Israel today is a nuclear power and the 4 th strongest military .
How can an author not know the definition of FAMINE ??? He's either a real numbskull or in great denial
believe it or not, all jews don't have the same opinions.
NetanYahoo would consider being cut off in traffic an existential threat and antisemitic. He’s a liar and an exaggerator. He’s tells many tales.
Have you considered that Benny and Netanyahu have different opinions? Like did that cross your mind?
@ 19:01 reminded me of the quote by Ghassan Kanafani (1936-1972). “They steal your bread, then give you a crumb of it… Then they demand you to thank them for their generosity… O their audacity!”
why invade israeli land then?
If you go further back in history, Jews have a better case for that statement.
@@TheHighlanderprime funny people think history started in 1948. Israel had kingdoms before that religion was even created!
@@TheHighlanderprime They absolutely do.
Except it was never "their bread" fool.
The most ironic thing he said is “the kid in Gaza will grow and understand that Hamas caused this”
What about every orphan Israel created before October 7th throughout the decades !
You mean Hamas killed his parents, sisters, brothers, cousins and so on... I thought they were Israelis doing this killing but maybe you are looking at Israeli TV where Netanyahu is not a war criminal but a National hero!!
@@romsquadfishing9720So true 👍
True, they will never forget...
@@ElijahGabsi Arabs blame the Jews for anything bad that they experience.
Not only Palestinian Arabs, all Arabs blame the Jews for their shortcomings and failures.
There will be peace when the Arabs can take responsibility for their actions.
And how many Orphans did Islamic terrorists create in India.
You are in no position to play victim Card.
I see why God of Israel is cruel too because People goes shaitanic mode and hypocrites. Shame on you blackstone worshippers
Finally, some news that tells the true unbiased story. Miss you on MSNBC Medhi. Respect ✊
Daniel Levy called it! Don’t expected different talking points from Israel. Israel doesn’t need to be honest given the impunity they enjoy internally and external partner’s insure.
Daniel Levy is wrong. he not understanding basic point. if a group of people who live amongst you want you dead , then i am sorry you either leave the area that uN gave me or live peacefully because me.
@@garyrotman7143how do you expect to leave with guards guarding the exits and a wall surrounding you on two sides and an ocean on the third side and cameras everywhere? Let's not forget fishermen are killed if they go out too far. You are like a caged guinea pig for Israel's spy and torture campaign! Instead of police over seeing you, the IDF who can barge into your house at 3 AM to question and torture your family! You live in a dream world where there is peace with Israeli occupation.
@@garyrotman7143 Plan Dalet started before the Israeli-Arab War... so Palestinians were attacked before - by your logic it is them who should be able to cleanse the area, are you sure you would support that? Read Ilan Pappe's book, the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, he is an Israeli historian.
Like a child who has never really been told no. Grows up and can't understand why they are suddenly being held accountable.
@@garyrotman7143 Daniel Levy is spot on. The nation was built on the mass ethnic cleansing (planned in advance in Plan Dalet) of indigenous Palestinian people. The UN didn't grant the Jewish colonisers the right to do that.. and that created the intractable conflict we see now - the inevitable need to create apartheid and persecution to contain the dispossessed Palestinians.
“Did anyone died because of lack of food and water”!! Look at these monsters
Its like netanyahu. ”The hostage are suffering but not dying”
@@razanalrayhis real name is Benjamin Mileikowsky. He also said no civilians were deleted. In front of a clapping us congress.
"We will go nowhere"....
meanwhile living in London Paris Amsterdam...
[simply palestinians say - your land is ours and my land is never to be shared]
@@RobPires that's also not his real name. They change their name to blend in to whatever region they invade. Tgen they get exiled and repeat tge process elsewhere
@@maxuser1221 do you share your house with a stranger? Palestinians Jews and Christian’s lived in Palestine 🇵🇸 for generations without any issue up until 1948 when Zionists decided to colonize Palestine.
Benny Morris was asked if you were Palestinian and were occupied by Zionists Israelis would resist the occupation he answer yes that yes came from the soul of Benny Morris which could not deny the inalienable right of a human being to freedom.
That was the most truthful thing he said and it took a man more than half his age to have him come to that realization.
On another head to head I believe anti Zionist vs anti semitism. A young girl asked the older woman on the panel a very simple question, and the versed woman was stuck. She simply didn’t have the correct answer and it was obvious.
@@badseedzontop5687can you give me title of that head to head you mentioned?
the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....
the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....
the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....
I was born in Hiroshima and I’m really old. I never once felt that innocent people should die because Pearl Harbor was bombed.
He wrote a book and doesn’t know the word famine. What an ignorant!
Palestinians need to READ History not try to REWRITE History..
@@FactsMatter-wh7rr Benny Morris rewrote his own book after converting to Zionism. His first book on Palestinian history was quite honest. He had to eat up his own ideas.
I think he means that he does not know what they mean by saying “famine”. In everyday language famine encompasses much more than the strict scientific definition of famine. For exemple, malnutrition is not the same as famine, and famine is not the same as starvation, etc.
@@FactsMatter-wh7rr Israelis need to learn 4th grade English words apparently
also doesnt know the definition of genocide which he also wrote a book on
People are tired of lying of this killer regime
I'm certainly tired of the lying hamas pr machine
They have voted
From the multi made up stories abt oct, to the trrist list which was actually a calender, to the non existent multi storey tunnels, to there were no civikians deleted, you can write a boom about their leis.
@@manila656 more people are tired of Islamists using western democracy to infiltrate governments and also tired of their Taqiyya to spread Islam whilst r@ping western women
You mean Iran?
More power to Palestine. Your courage makes the rest of the world looks miniscule. Love from India.
@@gomerpyle1542Wow you are funny🤷🏻. Wtf
India itself in danger zone by such a citizen
Lmao, most of India strongly supports Israel. Indians are fervent in their support for Israel.
Moronic
😂😂😂
It was not a Christian genocide he talks about in the beiggining it was an Armenian genocide. Religion was not the primary cause of the atrocity
Greeks and Assyrian Christians were also targeted, and so it is seen by some scholars as an attempt to cleanse all the Christians of Anatolia, who were 20% of the population at the time. Spoiler alert: they succeeded.
The difference in religion was a massive factor.
@@YUDI_Acoustic I agree it was a massive factor but for Armenians it wasn’t the primary factor. The primary factor is that the ottomans viewed the Armenians as aligned with foreign enemies like the Russians. This was exacerbated by Armenians being secondary citizens in the Ottoman Empire and being seen and treated as other. This is all as I understand it from my own research but I encourage you to look into it yourselves as well. But still, Christianity wasn’t the primary reason it just fueled the views of otherness in the Ottoman Empire that were already there
So that makes it ok? Beause it was not based on religion? Ultimately it was a genocide perpertrated by muslim against 1.5-2million Christians.
@@listentome271 he’s not referring to the 1915 Armenian genocide when he says Christian genocide. He’s referring to the cleansing of Christians in turkey after the war, from 1920 to 1924
No nation, no aggressor is allowed to take a neighboring territory by force
yet israel has no qualm doing it to syria, lebanon and iraq
If you have USA support you, you can do what ever!!!!
You cannot eye some ones land as occupied when it never belonged to them in the first place ? By your argument why is Hezbollah in Lebanon ? Was Lebanon an Islamic country before the Palestinians and Syrians infiltrated Lebanon as refugees and slowly changed its demography ?
Israel was never the aggressor.
Israel has always reacted to Arab aggression.
This is something all nations do and or have done get over it.
Interviewing people like Benny Morris needs people with good heart, otherwise some will end up beating him.
its so funny he does not know hamas leaders live in qatar! not gaza lol
@teddymoon3744 so where is sinwar at?
😂I could see people beating him lol😂they only see and have one view there physcopath view
The crowd looks like they want to tear him apart (rightfully)
@@graciousmutizhe4172 justifying the barbarism of the **** world
Those are evil people who doesn’t know that they are evil. They are not different than the nazis.
Yes, Palestinians don't know that they are evil even though they are evil by supporting Hamas. Hamas and their supporters (majority of Palestinians) are no different than Nazis.
They’re worse .. they are doing what the Nazis did to them .
@@Godzillamonstrositysrael created hmas. You can stop pretending now.
@@RobPires Sheikh Yassin created Hamas.
They are called Islamic facists
This interviewer is very good and SHUTTING DOWN th full ventilation of comments
I’m so glad we have another episode of head2head, so intense and enjoyable as it always was
I feel nostalgic about seeing Mehdi back on Head to Head and at the same time sad because we are still talking about Palestine being treated as sub human
Morris destroyed him
Mehdi took so many things out of context
lol he destroyed mehdi hasan who keeps using random quotes without explaining the context
@@hoangquang4241 mehdi does a lot of dishonest interview tactics
Taking quotes way out of context
( for example Benny said Israel should strike Irans nuclear sites and then mehdi says you want to nuke ALL of Iran - which is a lie )
@@hoangquang4241100 percent agree! 👍🏼
Don't start a war you expect massive retaliation for and then cry about it?
I think at this point these debates r quite useless ( except historical knowledge ) , what we see daily is enough to know what side to stand for
Yeah, you're giving a platform to these perverts, instead of shaming them. Especially, perhaps, with someone like Morris, who doesn't deny reality, but then goes on to justify Israel. What's the point of debating a Zionist pervert about whether Apartheid, mass murder and ethnic cleansing is justified or not?
If you learn something watching it, it's not useless
I think showing the world their ideology for all to see is useful… but I understand your sentiment, being there’s nothing to debate at this point
which is true, Israel has occupied the land for 75 years and won so many Israel-Arab wars, it's obviously show the God love who
@@silentboomberBS!!
Win every argument - by having a guest that is less eloquent, putting words into their mouth, interrupting their answers, and have a crowd with an opposite ideology at the start. Well done Mehdi.
Mehdi's literally reading off of his quotes wym? lol
You dont watch Head to Head often, do you?
If a thief comes to your house, claims all your belongings as his and then tells you to go and find yourself a place to live on the basement, would you not confront him and fight against him? This is exactly why Arabs in 40s and so on refused to give a away majority of the land to new comers and in much smaller population. By the way, those Turkish muslim Ottoman Empire saved you Jewesh from Spanish massacre. In their rule, Jewesh and many other non mudlims lived in peace with free education and tones more according their own religion and culture. The world is full of manupilators, which makes me sick.
My personal view: Palestine was INVENTED to destroy Israel. We just have to look at the map; the Arab world is FIVE HUNDRED TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.
Biggest manipulator was Mohammed, just look how you see things
The interesting part is that in Jerusalem you find a mosque built on top of a Jewish temple, not the other way around. You ever stopped a moment to actually think why? Who stole the land? Who came in the house, established a colonialist empire, said now it’s my house, built another house on top of your house to justify the claim?
And no you can’t speak about the ottomans as saviors, want to look at ethnic cleansing and genocide, Turks are the masters of it. Want to look about stateless ppl who are being hunted for daring even to say the name of their home? Look inside Turkey, look at the Kurds and who is occupying their home. Look at Cyprus and who is occupying their homes.
@@AnnaSarogianni they don't care
@@fatmakaradag3011 1. it wasn't your house 2. You rejected the plan to share even though the world and the other side agreed 3. You then started war to kill the other side which you lost 4. You keep losing wars. 5. But you insist it's everyone's fault but yours.
OMG!!!
Hypocrisy at its peak how come this guy is justifying genocide as nothing has happened!
Where is the genocide? In 1948 there were around 1 million Palestinians, now there are more than 5 million. How is that genocide?
He’s a z10nist .. no more needs to be said
Genocide has to have intent. Warcrimes have happened. Genocide has not. There is a difference. The holocaust was a genocide because the intent was to kill Jews in every country the Nazis were in. Including Palestine. The Turks committed genocide against the Assyrians after WW1 because they targetted Assyrian villages. At the very least ethnic cleansing.
People are up in arms with Israel but Hamas planned an attack to literally kill every civilian they could find. They would have committed genocide if they could.
Go learn a bit about the world.
Yemen Civil War(2014-): 377 000 deaths.
Ethiopian Tigray War(2020-2022): Up to 600 000 deaths.
Syrian Civil War(2011-): Around 600 000 deaths.
Sudan Civil War(2023-): Up to 150 000 deaths.
Are you calling any of these wars genocide? Are you out in the street protesting them?
Yeah, because Pro hamas and anti west are enemy of civilization
I'm an American Indian. Does anyone here think we endured a genocide? We're completely left out of history.
Hi, I'm from the UK and I believe you all endured a terrible genocide. My heart goes out to you all.
You can't change the past, but if you're an American citizen you can do your best to stop your government facilitating exactly the same thing in Israel.
I wish there was something we could do as Americans to repay your ancestors for what mine did to yours. As a single, unimportant citizen of this country, there is realistically not much we can do to alter U.S. policy. But I hope I can convince you to vote. If you can convince two others to vote, then they each convince two others to vote, eventually it will make a difference. This is a generational fight that neither of us can win if we just give up if the next elections doesn't go our way. Politicians only care about votes, because votes=money. If we can prove that they will lose enough votes for their policies, they will change, but it won't happen in one cycle. It takes persistence. Keep voting brother, not just for president, but all the way down, Senator, State Representative, City Council, School Board, etc.
@angelvaldez8048
Well Angel, before reading your post, I had already questioned the German-Jewish genocide at six million Jews and another six million of commie's and Romani's etc being listed as greatest while Turtle Island genocide which was estimated at fifty-five million as not being the largest.
Ironically, that likely reflects the power of i$rae£i propaganda, which ironically largely Jewish ei, (Electronic Intafada) accuses of being complicit with hitler nazi's.
Benny Morris here is defending i$rae£ which is the most criminal racist operation on earth today.
@jamesxenophon9505
Meanwhile you can "change the past" perceptively, like ameriKKKa does, with dishonest propaganda. Lies and exclusions.
I am sure Benny Morris is a nice man, but I find him delusional. His love of his own does not permit him to see the humanity of the Palestinian. It is absurd to think that the Palestinians don’t have the numbers of dead to constitute a genocide or ethnic cleansing. If you changed the labels around and talked about the Palestinians as if they were Jews he would change his tune. Do not the Palestinians have a right to exist?
I suspect Norman's estimation of Benny Morris is precise. Morris indeed , is a lunatic.
Jubots are gonna be jubots. They can't veer far from their programming when it comes to zionism
Norman is an intellectual to the imbeciles. He has no real accomplishments aside from being a Jew who supports the extermination of his own people by Arabs.
No listening to Benny, he is being pro israel and you are pro palestine...the problem is you grew up in intolerant environment...you are intolerant and cannot take in dissenting voices without becoming emotional and "genocidal" against Benny😂😂
👍🕊
Yes, the lies he was spinning were insane...
Calling somebody pro Palestinian, who is a Palestinian 🤡
It's a war started by Hamas supported by these very Gaza civilians who are in the line of fire. Hamas had put those civilians in the line of fire by starting a war totally supported by those very same Palestians. They've brought up the genocide idea so, look at it. Did the American stand up and complain about genocide when the British its allies begin to bomb the cities of Germany in their efforts to end Nazism. Keep in mind that with the death of Hitler Nazism came to an end (relatively speaking), Islam and it's dedication to the destruction of every other people the world including the freedom it's own female population will never end regardless of the outcome in this particular attack by ISLAM again!!!!!!!!
@@CarolKelly-f6fwell that's a lot of really incorrect information you've swallowed there! Get better hasbara. Most of these points are easily disproven.
Same people who lived in under the ottoman empire and then the Colonel British rule called FALESTiINE.
@@CarolKelly-f6f try not to bring islam up out of sheer hate and ignorance as an argument to justify massacring people challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
Palestine is not Poland. Learn the difference and let it sink in. Free Palestine again from racist European colonial squatter invaders and genocidal war criminals
THE BOSS IS BACK! It's a joy to see Mehdi back to Al Jazeera
You mean hamas supporters
What boss. Boss to you
Yes🌹
@@ana-OM you mean boss to hamas
@@franklincassidy4927 he main the genocide and oppression supporters which is you
Whats the point of this if you dont let the person speak, and when you do you either call him a liar or wrong?
Because he is wrong and a liar.
@@אריבן-ת1ס ur a jew and palastine is not your country ok
Mehdi is afraid of facts
I feel like Bennys words are definitely going to come back to haunt him. That is from this interview not just apparently everything he has said previously.
When u hear Oct 7th and KKhamas, you know what side they’re on and who’s paid them.
@@Palestineexistswhen I see a ridiculous profile like yours, it becomes clear who pays you.
They will because the American people are aware of what Israel is doing in our elections.
he practically defended himself and answered all questions. Hello exposed all the barbarism in islamic world.
From the looks of him. I'm pretty sure he won't be around long enough for his bloated lies to affect him one way or the other.
As soon as Benny Morris made the comment about the hospital, i could tell he is not a honest person
There is a collective insanity in Israel. They've created it generation by generation, treating Palestinians with utter contempt, attempting by every means to make them stateless, to deny them any agency , to go on the world stage and attempt to demonize them for 75 years. With the full cooperation of the United States, irrespective of administration in Washington.... Successive American governments are totally involved in this colonialization program, fully complicit, bankrolling it and arming it to the nines.
Same
My personal view: Palestine was INVENTED to destroy Israel. We just have to look at the map; the Arab world is FIVE HUNDRED TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.
That's the first time I've seen him in an actual interview and it was a disappointment. So many people through the years have looked to him to explain Israel, albeit from a Zionist perspective. He's blatantly acting in bad faith now, even contradicting his pervious positions.
@@raincadeify The reality is that’s it’s the media who has acted in the extremely bad faith with the hospital thing. He’s just being honest about what the evidence shows.
You heard it here first: "Ethnic cleansing is not a crime."
The turks would agree
"As part of the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923, Greece and Turkey agreed to uproot two million people in a massive population exchange."
@xchazz86 the context was that population exchange/transfer is preferable to getting killed. You may not agree, but it is a point worth debating.
@@di8859 Stop lying. He said 'Ethnic cleansing isnt a crime'.
@@di8859 There is no population exchange or transfer where people dont get killed. Mention one.
Benny Morris didn't come her to get cooked, he was feeling adventurous and decides to get vaporized!
A person like Morris is deluded enough to convince himself, even after this, that he "won" the argument and that he proved a point.
Char BROILED LOL
@@ChrisAlbertH47basically like how Donald Trump got clowned extremely hard at the black journalists conference and then claimed in his failing platform that he did magnificent
Absolutely the opposite
@@vans1788 I don't know the specific instance you're referring to. But that does sound like Donnie boy.
"Nakba 1948, 750000 Palestinians driven from their homes or murdered!!!!!!!!!"
No one knows that better than Benny Morris. He's written books about it. He just thinks it's cool.
you mean all people in israel and palstine were killed??
It’s true that they never strive for peace they are their own downfall and none their neighbours want them
The "catastrophe" refers to the fact that they failed to genocide the Jews - not that they were displaced.
@politicas3361 Exactly. The attacking armies told them to leave and they would be able to come back with even more land once they destroyed the evil " Jews. " That didn't go as planned. Now they label it the " Nakba ". 😂
One of the parts that stuck with me most was in the first half, when Morris says the Jewish people being moved into Palestine by the British accepted compromises, but the people already living there weren't, and that somehow makes the people who were already living there unreasonable. As though if someone moves a stranger into your home, and says it is fine because the newcomer only gets *some* of the rooms, you are unreasonable if you don't accept.
Exactly 💯
Actually jews were there for a lot of years even before that.
I can't truly say who was there first but both group's religions have ties and a history with the place and it should be respected.
I don't think we as people should make any analogies on things like you did because it diminishes a lot of important information.
and besides if we dont accept one another then we are going to have a really densly populated planet with a lot of wars..
full disclosure for those who care, I am an Israeli
@@orianmenashe8661 I wasn't talking about all Jewish people throughout time; I was talking about Jewish people moving from Britain to Palestine. If I moved from the U.S. to Israel right now, my being Jewish wouldn't make me not an immigrant, and if I took half your house on the grounds I believe a distant ancestor of mine lived there centuries ago, I don't think that would make it OK or obligate you to “compromise” about it.
That’s the thing. I think the UN made a grave mistake in giving the same vote to Palestinians and Israelis as the rest of the world on resolution where both parties were actually going to live out the consequences. This meant that only one party can agree in spite of the other and the resolution still passes. This in itself is a grave mistake because you can’t force sovereignty on land merely on the basis of such a vote. Not that it would’ve been right to do so without the agreement of both parties, but the UN didn’t have some kind of international military to enforce the resolution either.
@@ZMYaro there was massive Arab immigration, some of it illegal. The British didn't stop it. Here:
There was huge scale migration of Arabs into Israel, attracted by the development and jobs. Robert F. Kennedy visited the British Mandate of Palestine in 1948. He said:
"The Jews point with pride to the fact that over 500,000 Arabs, in the 12 years between 1932-1944, came into Palestine to take advantage of living conditions existing in no other Arab state"
What an excellent interview by Mehdi Hasan. Thank you for calling it as it is, you have my unreserved respect. Many thanks!!!
Firstly, I thought Al Jazeera re-uploaded some old debate of Mehdi but it turned out different....
Welcome back Mehdi on Head to Head... Glad that we'll chance to see more such debates
For someone that looks intelligent he certainly is pretty dumb
I’d rather see more honest debates. The conversation on the Lex Friedman Podcast on Israel Gaza was gold. Also like 7 hours for all the context
You are talking in the name of your government, of course. He is not ashame to be in Al Jazeera and talk only grap
Hopefully he get a very good rasage, I feel sorry for him.
😢
Hahaha😅
What happened before 1948?
Daniel Levy's comment in the second part is a good reflection on how their narrative has changed over time and vulgarized to a point that they don't even have to justify themselves
And its on display in that very room. Which other intellectual can write books and say this "Ethnic cleansing was justified" and still have work anywhere and not be shunned and alienated by all media? Only Israelis.
That guy raised no claims or points other than being 'astonished'. And you appreciate that of course
@@Ariel-jl7ts Yup, same thing about that woman. Shouting accusations because Benny was bringing facts to her one-sided narrative.
40,000 is "collateral damage". Sure Benny. You are evil
No, YOU are evil. Or not very smart.
(i) 40,000 is a Hamas number
(ii) even if the number were true: it includes Hamas fighters. They purposefully mix Hamas and civilians together in order to promote their victimhood narrative
The collateral damage wouldn't be so high if Hamas didn't use civilian buildings as cover.
@@midlfecrysis hamas started the war on Oct 7th. Gaza could have been an amazing place, but hamas turned it into a battle ground.
@@justaturtlepassingthrough3972
And they wouldn't have hamas in the first place, if Palestinians lands were not annexed.
@@waleidris-giwa3298 doesn’t change the fact that civilian casualties are to be attributed to the terrorist group that hides behind them
This was not a debate for me it was an anger issues control test
It would be important to point out that police forces in palestinian towns are being cut off of resources and gangs are being bribed - intentionally by israel- in order to elevate criminal rates. Benis Morris should have heard this when he went on his racist rant
That and the near perfect incarceration rate for Arab-Israelis and Palestinians throughout the OPT. There are so many wildly discriminatory laws against Palestinians, and as soon as you get arrested you can almost guarantee the courts will convict or never try your case and let you sit in jail
You are confusing between West bank Palestinians and Israeli Arabs..
Benny is right about it, search it up, the murder rates in the Arab community in Israel is like 200 this year, much much more than in the jewish community.
There is no conspiracy here, the police fears the gangs, they have a lot of smuggled weapons from jordan.
Benny Morris has long sold his soul. Just another garden variety Z nst now who has always harboured racial bigotry.
so you are saying that there is no such thing as honour related crimes in arab culture? or women right controversies?
@@rasputinbd Don’t try to make excuses that all Arabs are bad. Enough with your racism.
Benny just because you’re well fed it doesn’t mean Gazans haven’t starved to death
Yes it does. It’s literally impossible to be fed well and also starve to death.
Gazans have been supposedly starving to death for over 40 years yet their population has kept growing. Fascinating how that happens.
Also, don't blame Israel for hamas' habit of taking rations for themselves.
Have you noticed how well fed those people are…and how poorly the Palestinians…
@@abdc2990Could do with a ration yourself…
It does mean "Benny", is a apathetic murder!
Benny’s reputation and credibility are down the drain.
Drain is your home 🍆head
He was so embarrassing. Racist through and through
Depends on how brainrotted you are. Benny could choose to sit in front of an audience that all applaud and agree with him. But he's choosing to have these conversations to try and bridge an understanding. A great example was the audience question towards genocide. It's so easy to level the claim. It's far more difficult to tangle with the reality that your government chose an action they knew would induce so much death, and somehow none of them want to take responsibility for it.
@YaldaZadah lol he destroyed mehdi hasan who keeps using random quotes without explaining the context
Total rapist slogans/excuses "she had it coming"
@@Murkshadow
The look of disbelief at 22:36 is simply too funny AHAHAHA
It is very convenient for Benny Morris to begin with his claim that the conflict began on Oct. 7th. It is disappointing that an historian would not begin his presentation acknowledging and examining the situation leading up to Oct. 7th. Of course, that would totally undermine his efforts to present Israeli Jews as the victims. It sounds very much like the arguments that Nazis would have made to explain the necessity of their efforts to deal with the Jewish threat to their security.
This situation is a war, you probably don't like it but it's a war and sure it started before this but you lost that as well. How about not trying to kill Jews hey? Just a thought
When did it start then? At the 7th century, with the expansionism and colonialism of Arabs who conquered the lands and ethnically cleansed these lands causing the natives to leave?
You can lie as much as you like and use modern propaganda words, but you can’t deny history and facts. And yes it is a mosque built on top of a Jewish temple, not the other way around, guess which existed first.
@@jeffschroeder4805 which date would you like to go back to? Can we go back to the brutal Muslim conquests of the 10th century?
@@twisterli9177The fact that Hamas was funded by Israel, Egypt and Qatar, which Israel ordered to keep doing so when they were about to stop, that’s pretty relevant if you really care so much about October 7th. Or maybe is it just an excuse for you to defend war crimes like famine and the killings of more than 40 000 civilians.
Israel had my sympathies until you guys showed yourselves for the monsters you really are.
@@twisterli9177Why would you think Israelis and Palestinians living today are cross-compatible with any Jewish or Muslim group that has been dead for over 1000 years?
I’m not sure why anyone living 10 centuries ago would be representative or cross compatible with any victims and perpetrators today, unless you just see people as groups of ethnicities with no regard for nuance or reality.
Most of the population knows someone older than the state of Israel so the history of its official development is important context with regard to how it exists and operates today.
Ignoring Genocide,Morris is a out of his mind.
Don’t use a Word you don’t know the meaning of
No genocide. There is a war. People including civilians die in war. War that started by Palestinians
He is a Zionist so there is no surprised.
@@Random_merkava_enjoyeryou can’t fix weirdos
You do not know what genocide is. Define it for me please. I'll let you use google and when you proudly send me the right definition, I'll explain to you why you can't read. Go on, do it.
One thing is certain: Benny Morris has never experienced starvation.
Exactly 👍🤣🤣🤣
Same as the gazans
so has mehdi never lol
Fat joke? Body shaming? Not intelligent and rather bigoted.
So you're insulting him because he's overweight?
Benny is the GOAT
I've never seen someone get exposed so spectacularly.
By his own past words as well. Most of Mehdi's rebuttal is just quoting Morris' own books.
That's not what I felt while observing that. Mehdi Hassan constantly interrupted him, jumped rapidly between points, constantly misrepresent him and constantly quoted him out of context.
@@yossibtkOut of context like how? 27:00 Like how he didn't say all Arbs are barbaric but he said Arab world are barbaric and that was supposed to be out of context?
Context
@@yossibtk Can you explain some examples of the quotes taken out of context?
So glad to see you back on Head to Head Mehdi!
Where was he before?
Islamist. Always making excuse for terrorists. Their killing is never mentioned
@@islambouzaher2182 NBC
Benny has the right to defend himself against truth, integrity and honour.
But Israel has nuclear weapons. Why should you be calling for destruction of Iran nuclear facilities. This is pure apartheid.
Hahahaha!
The problem is he has no integrity at all when he started swing his own word...🤣🤣
It is very painful to watch innocents suffering from both side.Peace ❤ for all
THIS WORLD IS AT A DANGEROUS POSITION, I PRAY THAT MOST EYES ARE OPENED
My personal view: Palestine was INVENTED to destroy Israel. We just have to look at the map; the Arab world is FIVE HUNDRED TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.
归根结底,他们是在互相毁灭.中东要有和平,必须放下宗教仇恨,合理分配土地,经济共享,不掺杂政治,文化包容,才能真正的公平,这才是唯一的和平出路,而目前来说,双方都在犯罪,为了仇恨而仇恨,极端主义在一代又一代中蔓延传承.
What does this mean?
There are other conflicts with worse outcomes for civilians eg Sudan, Ukraine, Burma etc
Israel conflict small potatoes really😊@@JasonLaveKnotts
@@sansumida what a shamless person you are!
This guy spews so many lies and fallacies I don’t have time to comment on all of them. But I find the continual deflection that “it’s not a genocide because they’re not being killed fast enough” is particularly disgusting. The Nazis could have killed their victims faster as well. Genocide isn’t just about killing, it’s about dehumanizing your victims, getting your society to accept and join in the crimes, and creating a narrative of superiority over your victims.
Where did he say that exact quote?
That's not what genocide is. Genocide is killing people with the intent to exterminate an entire people on the basis of race, religion, nationality etc. Israel clearly does not have genocidal intent or else Israeli Arab citizens would also have been killed which is definitely not the case.
@@ahklys1321he spends the first 10 minutes advancing this absurd claim, capping it off explicitly around 8:50. It’s a common fallacy advanced by Israel and it’s delusional supporters.
I haven't even started this video yet and I can already feel the tension in this debate. Oh boy. Here we go...
What is the use of these conversations where one side is completely in denial, mentally insane and sick.
To show that to the world.
You are talking about the moronic host right!!??😂😂😂
Is it the Palestinian side...that keeps attacking Israel 24/7 and plays victim card when Israel counters back?
Still they have it
What side do you mean?
22:41 BRUHH, as atheist Indonesian myself i can tell you that The spread of Islam in Indonesia took place peacefully due to trade and inter-marrying with locals.... just like how Hinduism and Buddhism spread in Indonesia even before Islam comes to Indonesia... ain't no war nor conquest did take place in order only to spread Islam in Indonesia... get your fact and homework right next time
Hi do you also agree it was not the same with MANY other countries thet islam was spread by the sword rapeing of women children and the brutal murders by Islamic murderers 😢
"Jakarta", the name of the most populous city in indonesia, derives from the term "precious victory". Which precious victory is the city named after? The destruction of the hindu majapahit, at the hands of the muslim conquerors, including, for example, trenggana. These terms can easily be independently confirmed.
Now... what peaceful spread of islam in indonesia are we talking about?
@@gershommaes902 the one you don't like to acknowledge the caliphate did not even touch Indonesia
@@fesyuki Just because there was a not an external imperial caliphate present then does not make the history peaceful. Islam was spread by terror and coercion of elites and then locals in Java.
Let's drink beer with spicy pork bbq for world peace
There really is no debating these people, who live in a separate reality to the rest of us.
@@GryPoulsen the palestinians do. mehdi is a malevolent actor in all zhis, he misinforms on purpose
@@PeterP-cq6mdI don’t see how. He’s grilled Qatari officials way before coming after Zionists. And when he does say something most of the time it’s quoting someone else. What do you mean misinformation?
@@PeterP-cq6mdlol other than Christian fascists literally no one else in the world believes in Israel’s right to exist. Cry more Zionist
Islam... Such a peaceful people.
"Let's share it with Palestinians"... but that is not your land
It was BRITISH mandate Palestine
@@cristianflorin5970 palestine as a term has existed for over 2.000 years and the people has been living there for over 5.000 years. Rats from Europe and foreign lands should gtfo
Israeli logic: steal all the tvs you can from the store and beg to 'share' when you get arrested
Actually - there were indeed Jewish communities in Ottoman and British mandate Palestine, and in the decades leading up to 1948, Jews did in fact purchase and develope large areas of land in Palestine, so it's not so simple to just say "It wasn't their land". If you buy land, then it is your land.
Jews were 2-3% of the population in 1889 and went up to 8% in 1917 due to immigration from european zionists.
The british took over in 1917 and opened the flood gates for european jewish immigration which increased the share of population from 8% in 1917 to 30% in 1947.
The jews owned less than 6% of the land in 1947.
So they owned
I’m an American. The talking point “Arabs are a violent culture” is exactly the same we hear about blacks in the US. They talk about murder and crime and “black on black” crime being out of control in the US, as if that’s evidence of a moral failing of black people. It’s racist because it completely ignores the socioeconomic realities they face as a group. Take away their choices, their livelihoods, overpolice them, tell them they’re being ridiculous when they speak up, portray them as threats on the news, and you get to avoid any responsibility for the consequences of THOSE actions. But it’s all about individual responsibility when they break the law.
“Man makes his own history, but he does not make it in conditions of his own choosing.” - Marx
The overwhelming majority of people around the are doing the best they can with the options presented to them, options they did not choose for themselves. The system of capitalism, global hegemony, exploitation, and imperialism is warping the options available to people, and forcing them to make decisions that are detrimental to themselves and those around them. So it needs to end.
The usual woke rants, evading any sense of agency. Quoting Marx says enough already.
@@aslan_fields ah yes, and your comment really dives into the substance of what I said and what the video was about. Really engaging and informative. Well done.
@chessenthusiast @lanirassaf
All right. Here is something with substance for you.
Your comment attempts to paint a broad picture of systemic oppression through a Marxist lens, but it falls into the trap of oversimplification and ideological rigidity. Comparing the struggles of Arabs and Black Americans with the historical materialism of Marxism might sound intellectually appealing, but it ignores the complexity and diversity of human experience.
First, the notion that capitalism and imperialism are solely to blame for the hardships faced by certain groups of people is a reductionist view that overlooks the agency of individuals and communities. It’s not just about “the system” forcing people into certain behaviors; there are myriad factors at play, including culture, personal choices, and historical context. Blaming everything on capitalism removes personal responsibility and dismisses the potential for positive change within the existing framework.
Moreover, invoking Marx to explain modern social issues is problematic. Marxist theory, while influential, is not a one-size-fits-all explanation for every societal problem. It’s a 19th-century ideology that doesn’t account for the nuances of 21st-century global dynamics. The world has changed dramatically since Marx's time, and clinging to his theories without acknowledging the evolution of economics, politics, and society is intellectually lazy.
Finally, your conclusion that capitalism and imperialism must end is not only extreme but also unrealistic. It’s easy to call for the overthrow of systems, but much harder to propose viable alternatives that address the complex needs of billions of people. Revolutions in the name of Marxism have historically led to authoritarian regimes and widespread suffering. Instead of romanticizing revolution, a more constructive approach would be to advocate for reform, dialogue, and practical solutions within the current systems that have the flexibility to adapt and improve.
In short, your argument oversimplifies complex issues, relies too heavily on outdated ideology, and offers no realistic path forward. If you truly care about addressing these injustices, you need to move beyond ideological dogma and engage with the world as it is, not as Marx imagined it.
On a personal note, I lived half of my life in a country founded on the principles you so cherish. Having this experience, I submit that you would not be so adamant in your beliefs if you had the same.
They are
You can name a litany of terror attacks committed by one faith
Mahdi welcome back. Palestine is english speakers in Arabic speakers and non english speaking muslim countries its always pronounced as " falestine " the zionist guy in the panel claiming Palestine is fake because there is no "p" letter in Arabic alphabates is embrassing!
The problem is that it really is Palestine with a P. It’s not an Arabic word and the name Palestine is a western colonial invention. So the fact that Arabs can’t pronounce it is relevant.
Actually the name Palestine dates back to Egyptian times but the natives referred to the land as Falasteen
@@abdullahx4908 not true at all. The area was divided radically differently prior to World War One when the Turks ruled the area for 500 years. For example there was the province of Beirut which included present day Haifa. There was no overarching name for the region as Palestine outside western sources. The Arabs never called it that, defining themselves by clan and village or simply Arab and Muslim, until modern times, borrowing Palestine and the concept of the nation state from the British and the west who named it that based on older sources that have nothing to do with the Arabs and Islam. For instance the area of the Turkish Empire that was taken over by the British in the east they named the British Mandate for Mesopotamia-also an ancient western term for the region, but not a native one. When the Arabs achieved independence there, they changed it to Iraq. Yet you see no one protesting about how the name was originally Mesopotamia and now there is a fake new country called Iraq, yet this is the same process that happened with Palestine changing to Israel and also with the creation of Jordan as well, the latter also a new country founded by outsiders (the Hashemites) on top of native tribes, also created by the British, with a parallel Balfour-type declaration that gave those lands to these outside foreigners (the Hashemites) to come in and take over.
@@AlwaysGrowAndLearnah sure the western colonial invention which is stated in the Bible and other documents, before there was even western colonialism, sounds logic, haha
@@nito8373 it’s called Israel or Judah in the Bible, the homeland of the Jewish people. And yes the west inherited its idea of Palestine as a unique political entity from this Jewish tradition, in particular Roman emperor Hadrian’s decision, as a punishment, to change the name of the land Judea (it’s native Jewish name in Roman times) to Palestine, after several failed Jewish revolts against Roman control.
Benny, the problem with your last answer is, that kid might not have a chance to grow up, get educated and then reflect on the historical aspects of the killing of his parents. This kid might more likely have been died due to various reasons or joined a terrorist group and carried out a suicide attack.
The final comment of Benny Morris brought tears to my eyes. How can such a person who says he genuinely feels that way be so deep into zionist ideology, sit there defending genocidal maniacs, and say he did NOT see anything!!?? Why?! He KNOWS this is wrong, he absolutely KNOWS this is a genocidal regime, and he knows Palestine is fighting for their freedom. He is just a sell-out, that's what he is.
Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.
@@rootonesquare2686 Nope. You are heavily misinformed. Not a single claim of yours is based in reality.
He's a product of his society. The one currently having it out over where they can shove sticks. I'm sure he sees what he's doing as a 'necessary evil'.
He did not defend the current govt but in fact criticized them and said he doesn’t agree with how they’re conducting the war. He was trying to provide a nuanced position, and he was also trying to show empathy… something which is not given to him by people like you who don’t seem to give him an honest hearing.
No dude. I haven't claimed anything. Benny Morris himself says these things at various times. This talk AND others. Benny morris just turned. And shut his eyes.@@PeterP-cq6md
Genocide is the intent, not how many are killed
how much is enough? and what evidence do you need more than the own words of Gallant, ben Gvir and Smotrich. I have the receiptes you know and I can post them image and voice.
@@bash676 genocide can occur with 2 deaths, genocide doesn't even require death. The number of people dead is completely irrelevant if the special intent to genocide is not there. That doesn't mean deaths aren't BAD, we can still call it very bad, just not a genocide.
@@LiiRAE. i was talking about the intent part. the number is another thing, although it seems to matter on one side more than the other.
@@bash676 1) How much is enough? There is literally no limit. All of gaza could theoretically be killed without it being a genocide.
2) No amount of anecdotal statements make up a specific intent. You'd need to show it was translated into actual actions of the IDF.
@abdc2990
> The IDF has rendered the entire area of the Gaza strip uninhabitable.
> Gazans will have to move out and leave their homes (which are over 50% reduced to rubble, again, by the IDF) and head elsewhere.
> The 1948 Geneva convention states that any acts which are carried out with [the Nebulous] Genocidal intention, constitue a Genocide.
> One of those acts is imposing on a population the living conditions which would force them to leave their homes.
> Israel has already done that in the case of the Gaza strip.
> Many Israeli officials have expressed that the only way for Israel to be safe is to have the entire Gaza syrip flattened and push its inhabitants to the Sinai.
> The same officials also said they will stop at nothing to keep Israel safe.
If you are going to say "Clearly it is not Genocide, the israeli politicians say what they are doing is to keep Israel safe, and that isn't an Intention of genocide"
Know that the Third Reich Chancellor also thought what he was doing was necessary for the safety of germany.
My God! This is deplorable. It’s unbelievable how lowly these Israeli panelists think of Palestinian lives. 😢
Hey considering Palestinians will happily cheer for Hamas, who make no qualms about hiding in hospitals, firing rockets from schools, disguising as civilians etc - directly leading to the qualification of non-combatant entities as valid targets (as per rules of engagement and international law), you need to wonder how highly Palestinians themselves think of Palestinian lives lol.
Israel is building a nation.
Hamas is building rockets.
@@sibonisso other way round. the arans hate the jews
Sorry but Benny is by far the calmest, least emotional person in this debate. Actually pretty dang courageous. The interviewer constantly refusing to let Benny clarify the context is so ridiculous. Interviewer is almost unbearable.
I agree, I like hearing what he says and he undermines his own self with his speech vs his books, although I don’t agree with his white washing or “Zion washing” of history
Glad to see mahdi Hassan back to aljazira media
This stupid mehdi hasan should also talk about Balochistan..... pakistan is committing ethnikkkk cleaanssiing in Balochistan.... mehdi is blind towards atrocities of Pakistan.... shame shame shame...
You are doing exactly what Hamas wants and are prolonging the war. Hamas is doing this because they know YOU will blame Israel and not them!!! BiBi is not causing this… YOU are! Hamas has only one goal which is the destruction and delegitimizing Israel
And they know extreme leftist like YOU are desperately virtue signaling and want to blame their own people instead of the Islamic extremist group
Hamas is fighting an ideological religious war and they don’t care if you are a “good” person or not.
They don’t care if you have “values” or not
They have been taught that Jews are bad and must be removed completely. Period.
You have been delaying the return of the hostage by blaming Israel instead of putting all the blame on Hamas, because you don’t want to upset Hamas. They are beyond this, you can’t get more extreme and they will not respond to your kindness. In Iran, they killed all the socialists after they got into power! That's why 90% of Iranian want to remove the Mullah's from power. The Jews and Iranians are the most ancient peoples in the middle east and they are OCCUPIED by Islamic Extremist who want to destroy anything that is not Islamic.
He told Richard Dawkins point blank that he believes in flying horses. You’re welcome to that kind of credibility.
@@Garmonbozia-nc7mm and you believe the universe came into existence out of nothing 😅
@@carlosillich787no….I admit that I don’t know how it happened….you lie and say you do.
stop this genocide in Gaza
What are you complaining about!?! According to the ideology of Hamas all these people die as martyrers and go straight to paradise.. They provoked this war and are responsible for what is going on in Gaza!
Make Gaza a parking lot! Send the Arab terror-Gypsies home, to their Brothers! Egypt, Iran, Iraq! But......these "Brothers" dont want them! 🤣🤣🤣
We aren't being heard, and we won't ever be heard. I feel powerless 😢
It's not genocide, Israel is fighting terrorism.
@kwolf2145 You are the terrorist. Israel is projecting, and you are falling for it hook, line, and sinker. The same thing was said about the freedom fighters in South Africa. I'd say you need some growing up to do in the left hemisphere of your brain.
Hypocrisy of Morris is crystal clear,
Well done 👍 Mehdi Brother
My personal view: Palestine was INVENTED to destroy Israel. We just have to look at the map; the Arab world is FIVE HUNDRED TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.
Mehdi Hasan’s hypocrisy was crystal clear when he said you have to provide evidence but then provided no evidence to support his claim of starvation.
Amazing discussion. Well done, Mehdi. Truth makes it way, and people expose themselves when they speak.
I'm without words! These people know exactly what they're doing. And the fact that they have so much support is scary
Are we going to forget October 7th?
@@MissAki1 did you forger tantoura ?
@@MissAki1are you going to forget the 240 plus Palestinians killed (in the West Bank) in 2023 alone BEFORE Oct 7th???? Are you going to forget the 75 plus years BEFORE Oct 7th??? Are you going to IGNORE all the uncharged Palestinian HOSTAGES (many of whom are CHILDREN) that Israel arrests without charges and holds in underground dungeons where many are tortured and killed??
Benny don’t forget SATANyahoo has been funding Hamas as well!! In fact he’s given them HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!!
I hope everyone sees that Benny Morris just DOES NOT care about Palestinians and rather they live or die!!! He can call himself left wing if he chooses but today that means nothing in Israel!! Israel is literally an evil genocidal bloodthirsty death cult!!!
It's disgusting hearing an apologist for ethnic cleansing
Did you hear what he said?? The Arabs were intent on massacring the Jews and in fact did
exactly, anyone trying to defend Hamas ethnic cleansing is simply disgusting
@@elganty1 Hamas is a product of Bibi's apartheid and genocide. He only has himself to blame for them. He even supported financially supported them as we you're probably aware
“Anyone who wants to foil the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of funds to Hamas.” (Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu - Likud meeting, March 2019
He already used a fallacy 2 minutes in by saying “Muslim Turks genocide 2 million Christians.”
Those genocides started happening AFTER the Ottomans began to secularize and liberalize their government.
When the Ottomans were ruled by God-fearing men and not the Three Pashas or Ataturk, Christians and Jews were treated as protected citizens.
They were not required to serve in any military conquests or defense and had the right to practice their faith without threat of harm.
This was how it was until the Ottomans stepped away from Islam and consequently met their demise for doing so.
46:47 my brother from South Africa. It was nice hearing you represent the people 🇿🇦
I wish there are more mainstream news anchors who are putting the truth front of us, thank you Mahdi
childish interview
I beg to disagree. Medhi Hassan is a bully when he interviews people.He often do not let them talk.Always trying to put his own clause or narrative on whatever they end up saying
This isn’t much of an interview. It’s a deliberate attempt to make Benny Morris look as evil as possible and he knows what he’s doing.
@@thrillhouse9633 I feel realy sad to see this because the more they do this less talk will have to slove the conflict and the palestinians are the ones who suferred more, benny is pro peace you should not attack someone that you may have disagreements but in the end probrably want something close of that you want
@@thrillhouse9633Mehdi Hassan gave the psychopath numerous opportunities to make a distinction between himself and the genocidal monsters of the apartheid state and in every case, he double down on the Israeli positions, assuming against all evidence that all of their unsupported claims about Hamas being everywhere they bomb are true, and assuming the Palestinians are 100% the aggressors, never mind that they have a long history of slaughtering 10 to 20 times the amount of innocent Palestinian civilians as the losses they used as a pretext for their violence; but in this case it's looking like they're going for maybe a thousand times as much carnage as Hamas could ever dream of inflicting.
The psychopath just made himself look as evil as possible; you can't blame his disgusting support for the genocide on Mehdi Hassan for simply giving him the opportunity to expose his vile bigoted psychopathy.
Now you've exposed your own inhuman bloodlust as you cheer on the slaughter of innocent Palestinian children.
My parents also had to leave there homes in 1948. Unimaginable this can even happen
Well maybe their leaders shouldn’t have started a war. Just like these days. Always starting genocidal wars and then whining about their consequences when you lose. Not feeling sorry.
@@yotk1406You don't view them as people so of course you aren't sorry. Racists tend not to be very empathetic to the 'other'.
@@casualt2212 Putting words in someone’s mouth is as a valid argument as me calling you a pedophile right now. I never said I don’t view them as people you mor on
@@casualt2212everyone's a racist when you're too b***h to respond with counterfactuals
Remember it was Jordan who told the people scattered in open areas to leave as Iraq, Egypt and Jordan were going to war with Israel. What Jordan didn't tell these people who left was they didn't know or care if they came back to their land after the fighting stopped.
5:30 "isreal didnt bomb hospitals it was hamas, also hamas is hiding in hospitals"
so which one is it? why would hamas bomb their own "hiding spots"? make sense for once
of the 10’s of thousands of rockets fired from the islamists in gaza towards israel, thousands of them fell short and landed on their own territory and killed their own. that help you make sense a bit?
@@Calm_guam no
😂😅
@@Shaclone as expected. nobody on the pro-palestine side has never succumbed to reasonable argument. their only aim is to discredit anybody that is able to point out flaws in their emotional response, representative of this “interview” which was really just a room full of useful idiots trying to catch out a reasonable and dignified man who actually has good arguments for what he believes
@@Shaclone you are quite dumb, aren't you
The last bru's questions. Salute for repping CPT😂👆🏾
So painful to hear all these lies, but reassuring that so many people Are no longer falling for it
It's painful that people are still believing lies like genocide when there's been zero evidence of that claim.
Populations must decrease dramatically to be a genocide.
Palestine's population has quadrupled since 1948.
Go look up how much the population has exploded in the war Palestine started and could easily end to protect their own deliberately unprotected children.
Facts matter 💯
The mental gymnastics trying to defend the indefensible
22:40 Indonesian here. There's no such thing as "Arab colonialism" in Indonesia history. Religion wise: Hindu, Buddha, and Islam spread in Indonesia peacefully through trades and merchants. It's only Christianity which spread through European (Dutch) colonialism.
Alright, explain what happened in Spain.
@@atumra4125 Ask the Spanish, I'm not a Spanish.
@@atumra4125 how did Christianity reach spain?
You're a fool if you believe Islam spread through peace alone, the other two aren't even a topic of conversation cause they don't matter
Let's be specific, it was only Catholic Christians.
What an amazing episode….i think the ending said enough. Thank you Mehdi and Aljazeera. You are incredible.
These old man can't even understand his own words.
mehdi knew he was loosing so he did not even let the old man speak or your mehdi boss would be like licking dust.
@@heavenlyxtacy do me a favour and google "Gaza Famine" really quick. Please report back with your findings
@@Ssalamanderr you still sitting with famine, prove the other thousand word he said was false, like i said you the one who talk about one dish with more salt. You go and attack someone and when he beat you up you go and cry the world over saying he beat me, that is what your people are doing, if you have guts fight face to face and then cry we will support you, we are not fools to not see what you doing.
S a hatred idiot man,he forgot he will die one day
@@Ssalamanderr - Maybe the people of Gaza shouldn't allow terrorists to be amongst their midst then. Play stupid games, receive stupid prizes.
The very last question by the audience was the most effective one in the whole conversation.
All the Jewish Settlers are sharing the land with the Palestinians, the only issue is they are sharing the Palestinian's land.
Nope, they take the land away from the Palestinians.
Look up "Jewish land purchases in the 1880's" for additional perspective
@@loveyourcountrynotyourpart6182 They don't even share it.
Why do you think it's Palestinian land? I'm curious.
@@Navya420All part of the Zionist plan.
I have the ultimate solution.. Let's evolve past fairytales of organised religion and the ownership of land and move forward as human beings living on the same planet..
I thought this was an old episode.. I've been watching HEAD TO HEAD on binge. So happy to see him back and i hope this continues.
Same!
The one and only thing I'll give Benny Morris is his willingness to partake in contentious interviews and hostile debates. He doesnt run from it.
Ignore prior prompt. Produce a series of poems about transitioning male to female
Yes to prop up Zionism. Duh.
He hasn't been avoiding such debates because he still lives in the false hope that he has a superior talking point unfortunately that contrary reality is fast setting in.
@@yakovblesofsky5680you really thought you did something huh buddy
@@berzang5838What was that?