The US and elsewhere are becoming dictatorships now!! On CEO, one idealism😂. Not Muslim not Christian, And yes we stay silent and let it all happen... Minus well take all the cows to slaughter for not believing in one big fat Bull S---t. Waka hey! ..... ... .. Not just the native hawaiians or indians anymore!!.
If Islam is so peaceful how come all of the members of the blood cult superstitious bullshit movements of the world belong to that brand of fairy stories?
Coz u been fool from the kids. Ur parents scared u know what the truth. Same like many rabbai and priests before who barely spoken and debated about islam. Just a simple answer for that. If u are really knowledgeable, u can read, u can think, then open other religion books either hindu, buddhist, christian and islam. Study and take knowledge of what is written there. Simple as it is. U will not become a lawyer if u just read and know about the law. But u learn how to use the law. So u not to worry that u will become muslim just because read quran. Muslim can read bibble to know what the story about our nabi isa A.s according to christian. And from there we also know more about the religion of Jesus (Nabi Isa A.S). Did u pray the way of jesus pray? Did jesus drink alcohol and eat pork? Be brave in gathering information. We are human with religion that has patience. Don't over the limit else something will happen. Everyone has their right to protect their property, family and themself. Don't blame individuals by religion they had
Before the US invasion of Iraq, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Iraq Before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Afghanistan Before NATO intervened in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Libya I think it is clear where the violence and terror came from Otherwise, why did it not happen in Islamic countries that were not invaded by the West, such as Dubai, Qatar, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey, as happened in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya? If Islam is the problem?
If respecting all ppl is about respect what if i say" im proud gay" everyone cheers but if i say "im proud straight" they wanna cut your head off. Like no media, company etc celebrates such a thing as the straight pride or so. Crazy ha?
Where in the Koran did you see that? Have you even opened the book? Let me tell you what it says: "If you kill someone from the Book - Jews, Christians, Muslims - then you have killed the entire world.". Go look it up.@@jtither4646
Islam can never die ... the fundamentals of islam teach terrorism . Read the arabic text ..u will know . The English translation is highly sugarcoated for the west .
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
Exactly. We are in a Islamic reformation. Can we just appreciate how great this debate is? This is what you call diversity and diverse opinions debating together, respectfully. Still a great conversation years later. Wonderful!
@@Dr.shukrihilowle We have been debating for the longest time and cannot deny the fact that there is no such thing as an Islamic reformation. The prophet had made some really horrible laws for Muslims to practice to the end of time.
People debate it because they can see Islamic scripture being used by large numbers of its followers as justification for death and subjugation time and time again.
@@yesbabelon because they change the context of it Every verse about killing a disbeliever is talking about a specific group of violent people 1400 years ago and not today
I watched this years ago. I'm watching it again after the horrific events of October 7, 2023 that were proudly carried out by Muslims and even more proudly celebrated by millions of Muslims around the world in the weeks that followed. I'm sorry Zeba. I'm sorry Maajid. But the silly fantasy that Islam Is a religion of peace has been destroyed for all time. It never was. It is not now. It never will be.
well you could say that but alot say its older then 4000 yers old myself i dont call it a religion it a ideology of hate to none believers@@lordvader3697
Oh thats why it where always islamic countries that rescued the jews from christians. They rescued them from the romans, from the spanish inquisition, from the nazis. Thats why during the 600 years of ottoman empire christians, jews and muslims lived peacefully together. Thats why in the kuran Jesus is accepted as the son of god, as a prophet and he and his mother are respected, while the jews say jesus is a bastard and his mother is a hore.
France:- Christian vs Muslim Israel:-Jews vs Muslim Europe and America: Christian vs Muslim India-Hindu vs Muslim Myanmar: Buddhist vs Muslim (Rohingya) Bangladesh:-Hindu vs Muslim Middle East Country:- Shia Muslim vs Sunni Muslim Shri Lanka: Buddhist/ Christian vs Muslim Nigeria: Christian vs Muslim Pakistan:- Muslim vs Muslim Pakistan:-Christian/Hindu vs Muslim Afghanistan:-Muslim vs Muslim Now And they say Islam is the most peaceful religion
The fact that this debate simply cannot be run in any Muslim country - not 12 years ago, and not today in 2024 - due to the risk to life of anyone attending or speaking, answers the topic instantly.
The question itself is wrong. You know why? Because logically you can't conclude if a religion is peaceful or not by observing so-called adherents to the religion, since you could only judge the religion by the values it advocates and the values written in its scriptures. If a verse from the Quran says "Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." 60:8 And all verses saying kill the infidels wherever you find them are about specific cases of early Muslims getting persecuted in the Arabian Peninsula and these verses tells them to kill the people that drove them out of their homes and fought them. To conclude that since so-called adherents to a religion are doing violent acts therefore the cause is the religion is a logical fallacy which is assuming the cause. There are countless possibilities why there are violence among so-called adherents to Islam and you assumed the cause is Islam itself, but what if the cause is the violence Muslims suffered by Westerners? Such as America invading Iraq and butchering innocents which was the reason ISIS even began, only as revenge. What if the reason violence exists is the continuous butchering of Palestinian innocents "which is still happening and everyone is witnessing the absolute butchery" and westerners continuing to support the butcher "Which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed on why he is attacking America". What if it's because of westerns invading the holy land of Arabia and not respecting that it isn't permitted for non-muslims to enter Mecca "which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed as to why he is attacking America" What if the reason we don't hear debates about Hinduism or Buddhism or anyother religion being peaceful is that the adherents to these religion haven't suffered what Muslim adherents suffered? There are countless possibilities to why violence exists but you assumed the possibility that you wanted which is that the cause is Islam, which is logically false.
@@CyndeLooWho You haven't read anything I wrote. Please set aside your hatred and read. The book doesn't reflect the mindset. If you just read my comment for two seconds you will find a quote from the Quran completely opposite to what you say. There are many many religions yes, but if you read what I wrote in my comment you wouldn't have said that. I'll add one more point to what I wrote in my previous comment, America invaded Iraq and butchered innocents which gave rise to ISIS, there was zero bombings in Iraq before America invaded it. There was zero bombings in Afghanistan before the soviet union invaded it. Other religions like Buddhism or Hinduism or whatever haven't suffered what Muslims suffered and also these religions don't have active communties or sense of belonging to a group, their religions are more like to yourself, but Islam is a community religion, you treat your fellow Muslims as brothers and you all feel together as a one body, so when you see the violence that Muslims have suffered you'll understand why that gives rise to violence and radicalism, since Muslims don't feel like individuals but as a whole community so when the invasion of Iraq happened, violence started to exist in places not even close to Iraq. Most of the violence you see from Muslims are results of taking revenge which you can't attribute to the religion of Islam. Muslims are concentrated in one region consisting of many countries called the Middle East, and that region has been invaded and colonised for years and years and years. Palestine is still currently colonised and stolen by Israel and the western world supports the butchery of Israel. since the last 4 months Israel killed 30K Palestinians and injured 70k with injuries such as losing a whole arm or leg. Just read about "2008 Gaza Massacre" Israel destroyed 46k houses, made 100k people homeless, The United Nations and the UK newspaper the Guardian and the human rights group Amnesty UK said they found overwhelming evidence of hundreds of children rights violations by Israel such as holding 11-year-old Palestinian children in their arms to shield off bullets "Ironic how they accuse Hamas of using human shields" Read about China having concentration camps where they torture Muslims and enslave them there. AFTER ALL THAT HOW DO YOU EXPECT VIOLENCE TO NOT EXIST. I don't support violence and it has 100% nothing to do with Islam. You can't just conclude that the violence exists because of Islam or Muhammad's teachings or whatever because it literally doesn't. Read the verse I quoted in my first comment. There could be millions of reasons why violence exists but you just chose to blame Islam for it since you just want to undermine the religion and say that it's a wrong religion.
throwing hand gernades through the windows of Church services, people worshiping God, in Gods name no less, peaceful??? Yes, they did that, and are still doing such things, they never stop killing. To call it a religion of peace is insanity.
As an ex-Muslim, if there's one thing I have learned, is that here's a very, VERY big difference between "American Muslim" and "Muslim". People in the US (and many other Western countries) are completely detached from what Islam is. They only know the watered-down and Americanised version, that was born only because of an environment that promotes these positive values that are completely non-Islamic. Just like American "communists" or "socialists" only know the Americanised fantasy of what those words mean.
That's not what he is saying. And just so you understand, In Islam they obey the same 10 Commandments as Christians. They worship the same God just by a different name. And just as how a Christian will go out and sleep with his friend's wife, there are Muslims who go out and kill, both are breaking the Commandments. That has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ or Islam. The Koran specifically forbids you to kill especially a Jew, Christian, or another Muslim.@@jeffharrison1090
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
@@ajsajamakovic4309 sounds like you don’t. I know all about Islam. Including its revelation story that somehow is the opposite versions of the Bible’s. Islam isn’t a religion just another cult I am sorry
The question itself is wrong. You know why? Because logically you can't conclude if a religion is peaceful or not by observing so-called adherents to the religion, since you could only judge the religion by the values it advocates and the values written in its scriptures. If a verse from the Quran says "Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." 60:8 And all verses saying kill the infidels wherever you find them are about specific cases of early Muslims getting persecuted in the Arabian Peninsula and these verses tells them to kill the people that drove them out of their homes and fought them. To conclude that since so-called adherents to a religion are doing violent acts therefore the cause is the religion is a logical fallacy which is assuming the cause. There are countless possibilities why there are violence among so-called adherents to Islam and you assumed the cause is Islam itself, but what if the cause is the violence Muslims suffered by Westerners? Such as America invading Iraq and butchering innocents which was the reason ISIS even began, only as revenge. What if the reason violence exists is the continuous butchering of Palestinian innocents "which is still happening and everyone is witnessing the absolute butchery" and westerners continuing to support the butcher "Which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed on why he is attacking America". What if it's because of westerns invading the holy land of Arabia and not respecting that it isn't permitted for non-muslims to enter Mecca "which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed as to why he is attacking America" What if the reason we don't hear debates about Hinduism or Buddhism or anyother religion being peaceful is that the adherents to these religion haven't suffered what Muslim adherents suffered? There are countless possibilities to why violence exists but you assumed the possibility that you wanted which is that the cause is Islam, which is logically false.
@yossefgamerr3813 did you listen to the debate, there is a reason the motion did not pass. Your arguments are apologetic and not to the point. You might disclose to everyone that you are a Muslim yourself trying to falsely deny the true nature of this vicious religion in order to put others to sleep while you multiply exponentially and eventually take over democratically.
@@mahjabeenmalik5306well, Ganesh didn’t order anyone to kill, convert, maim, rape etc.. we’re not trying to convert anyone. But school kids in the UK throwing beef in face of Hindu children tells the mentality of the parents and the teachings they follow.
Religion has started more wars than anyone no wonder she had to flee why doesn't she go back from were she came I believe in. God but he must be so tired of all the fighting he is more powerful than any human and he will strike his wrath on the world it can't go on the Koran suits you as you make it what you want
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Before the US invasion of Iraq, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Iraq Before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Afghanistan Before NATO intervened in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Libya I think it is clear where the violence and terror came from Otherwise, why did it not happen in Islamic countries that were not invaded by the West, such as Dubai, Qatar, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey, as happened in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya? If Islam is the problem?
Am an ex muslim but its very clear that the main cause for violence and terrorism in the middle east is the invasion of the US and russia to iraq and Afghanistan
If Islam is for peace, why are there so many aggressive demonstrations about issues that supposedly affect Islamic people but little or no reaction from more passive people and religions.
My best friend of 20 years, like a sister to me, became involved with a Muslim man. I really liked him and thought they were a great match. Then she started adopting his religion, which I didn't even realize he followed. But they were planning to be married and I figured meh she's probably just wanting to ingratiate herself with his family, who were very religious. She got more and more into it and HE DID TOO. I began reading that a young Muslim American man will begin to get MUCH more fundamentalist once he marries. I called her and said I was feeling concerned that she was possibly getting into something deeper than she'd eventually like. She had already declared there would be no alcohol at her wedding, she had dyed her hair black & started dressing different from her usual beachy California blonde style. RIGHT THEN AND THERE SHE CUT ME OFF & told me that our friendship had come to an end. She hung up the phone and blocked me. I called, emailed, & messaged any way I could. She wouldn't respond. Apparently he had let her know that I would be a deterrent to her new faith and that she must cut me out before I poisoned her mind. Islam is a tyrannical toxic religion.
yeah,they always pray in day and less work thats why less productive if not of their oil.in disasters i noticed that there were no islamic country who help or extend their hand.unlike Japan who extend their knowledge like inventions,let us focus on inventions for progress useful in uplifting the lives of the people,not idolized firearms.
I live in israel, and since we all live together I already know the story... he beats her, she's trying to escape, if she's lucky it's possible, if not he'll kill her for dishonored his name as a man...in israel there are even organizations that helps jews women that are trapped in that violent cycle to run away. I know few and one friend of mine lives in the west bank(!!) And cover herself completely so they won't know she's Jewish... I know he beats her even before they got married and had a baby 😔
We have to warn africa. The Chinese are coming and Islam is theyre battering ram. I have no idea how, but i know Africa needs help the same way the rest of us do.
I don’t have a problem with people being a Muslim. But they have a problem that I’m not a Muslim and that’s the issue. You can judge a religion by how it informs its followers to treat others especially those who believe differently.
well don't forget they are against anyone that is diffrent from them if your gay or anything your getting killed or captured to be tortured and beheaded or stoned
@@peace1170 your religion is not the only victim of extremism. Extremist Muslims attack Muslims also because they differ in their beliefs. So, you can't say muslims as a whole are wrong it's extremists/fanatics.
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
For example jews have their golden age while they were living under muslim rule.after 8 centuries of being absent in palestine when muslims came they let jews to live in palestine
I haven't listened to the debate. I have read the Koran from beginning to end. I have also read the Torah. So I am answering the question posed. It is a religion of peace.@@Oyeoye007
"Peace" in Islam means surrender. Islam spreads Peace by destroying everything that doesn't believe in it and hence brings peace only to all those who believe in it. We Human beings could end all the stone-age barbarisms like Cannibalism, Head hunting, Witch craft etc. But, It is a shame for Humanity that we still have this barbaric cult called Islam among us in 21st century.
@@eduardopena5893 About 10 years ago today, I used to believe that after reading the Qur'an on "religion doesn't teach, aapse me bhar karna" my thoughts turned on my head. The reason for this is because of these surah verses of the Qur'an. You also read and tell everyone :-* *Sura verse 2:98 -* Allah is the enemy of non-Muslims! *Sura Ayat 3:85 -* No other religion/religion is accepted other than Islam! *Sura verse 8:12 -* Allah will instill fear in the hearts of those who disbelieve Islam, and Muslims, you cut their limbs by hitting their necks! *Sura verse 3:118-* Make only Muslims your intimate friend! *Sura verse 3:28 and **9:23**-* Do not make friends with non-Muslims! *Sura verse 8:39 -* fight non-Muslims until the faith of Allah is fully established! *Sura verse 22:30-* Idols are filth! *Sura verse 9:5 -* Ambush and kill the idolaters wherever and whenever you can! *Sura verse 33:61-* Wherever the faithful and idolaters are caught, they will be brutally killed! *Surah verse 3:62,2:255,27:61 and 35:3 - * There is no other god than Allah! *Sura verse 21:98 -* Those who worship anyone other than Allah are the fuel of Hell! * Sura verse 9:28 -* idolaters are impure (unholy)! *Sura verse 4:101 -* Kafirs are your open enemies! *Sura verse 9:123 -* oppress the infidels! * Sura verse 9:29 - * By humiliating the infidels, make jizya from them! * Sura verse 66:9 - * Do jihad (war) with the infidels and the beneficiaries! *Sura verse 4:56 -* Will cook the skin of the disbeliever! *Sura verse 8:69 -* All spoils (including women) are Halal! *Sura verse 9:14 -* Allah will punish the disbelievers at the hands of the believers! *Sura verse 8:57 -* be cruel to the prisoners of war! *Sura Ayat **32:22**-* Take revenge on those who leave Islam! , Now after knowing this, those who say that no religion teaches wrong, they are either wrong themselves or they do not know anything about Quran and Islam. In fact, the Quran is the root of terrorism. These sentences are not mine but of the learned woman of Muslim society "Taslima Nasreen". Hindus who find these verses to be fake, download the Quran and check them. These ignorant/blind secularists deliberately spread confusion in the society by taking half-incomplete information!! By Sanjay Dixit - Former IAS Officer I have already posted enough, can you pass it on for awareness of All...
@@mithubhattacharya6156 I have already read it. That is why I can make the claims I do and not get it flagged as "hate speech," because everything I state is in their book. So if me repeating what the book says is "hate speech," then that means the Koran is full of hate speech and it and muslims who echo the teachings here on YT should be banned.
@@tramp2827 Islam people are con artists in their core soul. Manipulators to get their way. Brainwashed. Dangerous, vile people. How about that Dutch cartoon artist who was killed for making a cartoon joke of some Islam figure? The Muslim people hunted him down and killed him. That is when I realized Muslims are nuts. Kinda nuts like the Catholics were during the Spanish inquisition.
Indeed. One of the reasons i don't even trust so called ' progressive ' Muslims anymore , is their portrayal of Islam as similar to the other large religions and philosophies. It is not. It is a veritable guide for psychopaths , founded by a psychopath. Muslims who are good people , are good people in spite of the content of their religion , not because of it , even though a lot of them think that's the reason. A lot of them don't know the content well , or simply ignore it.
If a religion / ideology is peaceful, you don't have to express it over and over again, the actions of its believers show how peaceful it is, not what they say.
If you want to know about a religion, read its holy book. Don't just look at some groups or people who claimed to represent the religion when they're not. Quick logic here, you can find both good and bad people in all religions.
@@khairunnasulfikri1512 Read the holy book, but then you need an expert scholar to twist all the violence it contains too into something remotely peaceful. No other religion needs this.
@@Anthony1uk that's what you see when you don't have an open mind. If the scholars really want to twist things, why didnt they twist everything that seems to be unfit with the modern world? Think again
@@Anthony1uk why do the scholars still go against LGBT although a big fraction of people today accepts it? If they wanted to lure and twist it, of course they could have done it. But they didnt.
@@Anthony1uk you need to acknowledge that contexts are indeed important. Not everything can be generally applied to everyone, and that's why context exists.
Theres no such thing as a Western lifestyle, what you are saying is the exact same thing that was said about the Jews in Europe when they first started getting equal rights as the Christians.
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
“You should not be afraid of someone who has a library and reads many books; you should fear someone who has only one book; and he considers it sacred, but he has never read it” ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
“Is Islam a religion of peace?” The religious text itself is clearly _not peaceful._ The fact there are many people who practice Islam, who choose to ignore the bad parts, doesn’t make it any more peaceful. It just means they are humans who determine their own morality & boundaries within that religion. The literal text can and is, often quoted by Jihadists and terrorists. If Islam was only about peace, they would have no way to turn it into a doctrine for war because the foundation for it simply wouldn’t be there.
@francislozano6928 May God bless you at least you can see. Unlike those fools out there in the platform coming with stupid questions. Why can't they answer why all terrorists are Muslims?
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
Love your comment just because its more balanced than the rest here. Still have to point out, many religions speak of violence and war, even genocide. Yet Judaism or Hinduism, Catholicism or Paganism, only Islam is the one being asked the question of peacefulness in scripture
Their justification is that it was given to them by God and as such is an unquestionable, unassailable Truth. The easiest justification in this world, a no-brainer.
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
@@intermaria, yes...and no. Formally yes but what concerns humanity in reality is what people do based on this justification in the 21st century. And there is a reason we are not commenting under a video Is Christianity, or Hindiusm, or Jainism, or Pastafarianism a religion of peace. Not all religions are created equal.
As an ex wife of a muslim, i confirm that 4 years of my marriage life were darkest years im still struggling to get over it even being married again(definately not to muslim).
@@محمدعثمان-غ1ط, since she specifically brought out the point of her ex-husband being a muslim, even a peabrain should be able to understand that his bad behaviour was islam-induced and not because he was necessarily a bad person per se.
I am a Christian and for peace. What about Christians? Why are Christians quite about what is happening in Ukraine? We hardly hear Megachurhes condemning wars all over the world. Peace.
@@livhuwanitshisikule3515it's true and sad! Thank you so much for pointing at the 🐘 in the room no one pretending not seeing, and worship the One they do NOT know. Both words and actions speak. God bless you! 🇺🇦💙💛
Islam offers peace only to followers of the faith. Even within Islam there is bitter animosity between the the different branches e.g. Shia and Sunni. To call it a religion of peace is absurd.
This animosity has nothing to do with Islam. The Koran teaches love and respect for all things living. Try reading it sometime. The animosity is between two sects, each claiming to be a direct descendant of Mohammed. Wasn't long ago Catholics were slaughtering Protestants over less than that. A Muslim follows the Koran. He can't ill-treat his wife, kids, or animals. He can't kill anyone of the Book: Jews, Muslims, or Christians. He gives charity to whoever needs it, even non-Muslims. Get your facts right.
That is your interpretation and doubtless that of many Muslims. Unfortunately there are other less benign interpretations and these are in the ascendancy.@@tramp2827
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
@@deepikagovind She's a sheltered girl who grew up in the comfort of the West enjoying her accolades of being smart and educated, under the protection of a culturealy Christian nation. She is young and foolish.
The average person cannot contextualize the Quran because of the oppression that goes on in their countries. When they are free to think for themselves and are able to live a free life.
There should be an international organisation that will provide legal protection and shelter for Muslims who want to leave Islam. Especially in those countries that constitutionally allow freedom of religion and worship. Since Islam is determined to kill apostates It should be banned from those countries.
You wonder why? It‘s part of the islamic strategy to lie to non-believers about it’s containments. It’s called „Taqiyya“ (ruse, cunning) and makes it officially legal to lie about their religion (also to other Muslims) in order to protect its reputation in order to spread it.
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
True, Zeba has been given the luck of life. But we know as women that these patriarch monotheistic religions and societies , are not framed on women using the same door and having a woman leader. Not only Muslim but even in the USA religious denominations has voted No to women in leadership. It’s good that Ayan asked her about her solidarity. But in the first world we may not define solidarity the same way that Ayan does.
What do you know about Islam? Have you lived with actual Muslims or you just commenting like the masses on here who have no idea what Islam actually really is because they've been brain washed by the mainstream media!
@@davymyboy7966 If I were you, I would take the time to really consider his point view, experiences, and overall message. I would listen to all his interviews. He comes across to me as a truly upright human being (which is more than I can say about any Muslim I ever met).
@@nouricelesto If I were you, I would take the time to really consider his point view, experiences, and overall message. I would listen to all his interviews. He comes across to me as a truly upright human being (which is more than I can say about any Muslim I ever met).
Islam is a religion of peace for ppl who don’t read Quran. I tried to read Quran to understand Islam and one verse clearly teaches to strike the neck of those who don’t believe…
Jesus said to dust your feet off at them, when they didn’t believe, and leave that town, while they went preaching the gospel. Other verses say to pray for your enemies, and to forgive one another 77 times, and another to forgive as our Heavenly Father has forgiven us of the sin we commit, against Him, which would include worship of other Gods, living in unforgiveness, lying, cheating, stealing against another
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
Meanwhile Christianity/Judaism: Deuteronomy 20 16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.
I studied what you mentioned twice. Israel didn’t follow God commands all the way and at the end Judah and Israel got exiled as they offended God for worshiping idols performing child sacrifice for generations. Gods plan was for Israel to be pure apart from neighboring idol worshiping countries hence the elimination; also God never punishes on day one. God has given those Cannonites 400 years to repent as Israeli was still in Egypt as slaves yet their sin isn’t stop but escalating. As the other replied Jesus came to complete the external laws teaching ppl to walk away from those who don’t believe through him the salvation is complete. The Old Testament is always a mirror as when we don’t follow the commands all the way little sinful thought will creep up as weeds growing through concrete. Hope this help with insight.
Ayana Hisri Ali- I am a huge fan of her after watching this debate. Not because she supports or opposes any religion, but because she emphasizes the point that we cannot improve if we do not acknowledge and address our shortcomings.
What else can you expect from an Indian muslim, the only example she could quote was Tamilian tigers because she wanted to point out that even Hindus can be terrorists, but she forgot to mention that LTTE was not fighting any holy war for their religion, they were fighting against the then Sri Lankan government for their rights. I am yet to see a muslim condemning any islamic terrorist group either publicly or privately as if they are indirectly supporting them. Muslims have lived for some generations in India now, but still they will never put India above their religion, their sympathy and their priority always is towards their religion and that's what makes them very hard to co-exist with. Now they have entered in Europe in large quantities and we can very well see how they are destroying it......they never mingle with other religion and societies and try to force their religion even as an outsider in another country, religion of peace my foot
I'm from Israel and I agree with every thing, and that why israelis (among many other reasons) understand, love and support India and its people- because we know how it's to be surrendered by Muslims and have them within your country. Almost every single day (for real, EVERY SINGLE DAY) we have terror attacks, not to mention wars like now... we remember what happend in kashmir...🙏🏻 Now, as middle eastern, the Islamic-ARAB mentality is so strong and different from the west it's crazy. It's like they got stucked the bronze Era and everyone is cheering globally for another terror-dictatorship country that will give 0 human rights and 0 value to the world+ needs to throw all the jews to the sea like the hamas charter is saying. Sorry that it's harsh, but being afraid of being realistic will be bad for the western society if we'll do nothing against the rise of Islam.
Zeba, if you say that majority of Muslims are peaceful, we need that majority to stand up with us, Israel and all Jews! Our existence is threatened by violent followers of Quran, people who like to show the world their victim hood!
I read your comment while the other woman gave as example for a place that Muslim women can demand their rights (started to mumble the answer around 57:08 ) and all I could think is "how wrong she was even back then, but how right she is when you look at it right now- the regime of Iran IS the best representative for the Islam, let along their books.
NONE of the religions got no violence in their history. Even Buddhists have been committing violence. And let's not even get into Christianity... THE bloodiest of all religions. But a that's not the point. Religion is..this might sounds like a cliche..not the problem. It's the PEOPLE. And this is not the same thing as the argument about guns, mind you..where guns can very readily be USED for violence.. where religions can only be used for it depending on the person's INTERPRETATIONS.
Smart, but a religion of peace would not be absence of peace, but promotion of peace. Nevertheless, Islam is still the most murderous religion to ever exist, bloody murderous.
so somewhere down the line, every single religion is violent. whether it be war or parts of the scripture of whatever religion is in question. I don't know what the purpose of life is, religion doesn't seem to be it...
Islam is peaceful like most dictatorships when they have full control ,but it is the peace of the cemetery, the peace of fear ,the destruction of God's free will. Such an evil ideology can only come from the devil and in a counterfeit to Christ his son Mohammed was sent to cause chaos in the world.😮
No religion is peaceful. Peace is found in Christ. He is our Prince of peace. If we all follow Jesus we would have peace. Muslims are peaceful in spite of Islam.
"Islamophobia" is a smoke-screen term. Having a phobia means having an irrational fear. But fearing Islam which wants 80% of humanity enslaved or exterminated is totally rational. Hence, you cannot call this a phobia.
should we also question Judaism since 700+ Palestinians has been killed by IDF soldiers before Oct 7th?, i get that hamas is bad, but if your religion is a religion of peace, why did they bomb the refugee boarder and the hospital?@@Jesussaves8961
@@jjthoughts9920 KNOCK IT OFF! You know very well that the fakestinians never cooperate when they cause trouble then when the IDf has to make arrests. Shame on you! Nasty l!es, you love nasty l!es! Repent and seek Jesus as Savior because Jesus will not let ev!l go on forever and time is short!
In Iran, I can confidently state that 99% of my generation (I was born in 1984) and the generation after me (younger) are not religious at all. We have seen, watched, heard, and, most importantly, mentally and physically felt the unpeacefulness of Islam (and other religions too). So, we don't call it "Islamophobia," but we simply and rightfully call it "Islamotrauma" because, as I mentioned earlier, we mentally and physically felt the fear. Trauma is when you feel the fear and you do not want to feel it again, so the better term is "Islamotrauma." I can definitely and fortunately say that the future of Iran is closer to what it used to be in the history of Persia, where spirituality, tolerance, beauty, culture, and art are more appreciated than religion.
Is it real? This means there will be a change in the faith, if there is no extremism, the world could become good place to live in .❤❤❤ I can reconstruct of ancient Persia, and it’s Zoroastrian faith close to Hinduism ❤
according to my Muslim cousin, peace has different definition for Islam... there will be peace only if the world is Muslim world. meaning unless there is another religion or people who never believe in Islam, there will be no peace.
Thats not true..even Muslim world fights each other like yemen and suadia the both Muslim then why fighting each others? Its a big lie..to deciev and make u believ that they r peaceful.
Truly, if you watch her facial expressions throughout others speaking, she is hurt. This is a woman who is only just learning about the horrors of her religion. I think she has no idea of the atrocities outside her very elite world. If only other Muslim women could be largely given such a life.
And this video was posted 11 years after 9/11. Which was not the first terror attack by Islam in the west by a long, long stretch. Islam means war. The sooner the west understands that, the safer we'll be.
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
*The Book of Marriage* (78) Chapter: Consummation Of Marriage With A Girl Of Nine (78) باب الْبِنَاءِ بِابْنَةِ تِسْعٍ . Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378 It was narrated that 'Aishah said: *"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."* Grade: Sahih (Darussalam) Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378In-book reference : Book 26, Hadith 183English translation : Vol. 4, Book 26, Hadith 3380 *How could Muhammed do such stupid things if he is a prophet*
The only religion.. where the most reversed leader.. the Prophet... Read his life. It is a two phase story. Phase one.. where Prophet was weak, meak and at the time he wrote some portions which are indeed peaceful but phase 2 life was the violent mysogynist who lived a life not worthy of emulation .. this dichotomy is reflected in the book too.
Nobody is afraid when they criticise the Christian faith or Judaism, but thumbs up if you think twice about criticise the Islamic faith. Some people are afraid of extremists. Even a silly comment like this I did think twice before posting...
Study of mass killing in history puts Christians on top of the list of committing genocides and wars more than half billion almost 700 million, which is way more than Antithiests, Buddhists, and Muslims combined Crusades, Inquisitions, witch hunting, Christian on Christian wars, persecution of Jews, maintaining feudalism, genocides, mass murders, purges, ethnic cleanings, murders in Christian institutions, Colonization, ethnic cleansing of Aboriginals, Mayan, Incas, Maori. Holocaust, Hollander, Circassian genocide, Bosnia, World wars, now war on terror killing millions in Middle East for peace George Bush became Hitler by quoting God's work. Now Netanyahu justify genocide and mass rape prescribed by Bible.
How funny, every time those two Muslims are confronted with a question about violence in Islam, their answer is well let’s look about you and your society… 😁
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
A big round of standing ovation for the brave lady Ayan Hirsi Ali for stating the brutal truths about Islam most bluntly infront of the non muslim crowd ❤❤
@Big Deo Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" 1:Samuel 15:3
It is especially bad after what just happened to Israel. Further proof that Islam is not a religion of peace is given by the refusal of any Muslim country to condemn what happened.
12 years later more and more people reverted to islam and can see tt Islam is the only truth. So far no muslim countries have initiated illegal wars like the xtian/athiest countries. Hundreds of million are killed and displaced due to war created by xtians/athiests
It was t until halfway through that I realized this wasn’t current. And the fact that this is closer to 9-11 than it is now… and the worlds view has only become MORE fearful of Muslim culture… says A LOT!
u would thought that after 9/11, the world would be more peaceful and muslims would be more tolerant and peaceful. here we are more than 2 decades later. @@elizabeth84266
Jews? You serious? And the reason is because there isn't anything the west wants in country's where there are hindu's and Buddhist. In the middle east on the other hand there lot's of oil 🤑. So what do you do? You create islam terrorist groups by funding them and giving them weapons in a middle eastern country's. Now you have an excuse to invade and steal that country's stuff! Amerika is sponsering and funding terrorist groups in the middle east. They also lied about weapons of destruction to invade and kill millions of Iraqi's. Who are the real terrorists?
If I were to be one of the panelists I would have asked Majid and his partner just two questions and keep silent. 1) Is it possible for anyone to hold this kind of debate in any Muslim or Arab country and come out alive? 2) Why is it that of all the religion in the world, it is only Islam that is always being debated as being violence? Why is Christianity or Judaism or Hindu not being debated as violence? Why Islam all the time!?
well in Hindu you can do constructive criticism no one will kill you for that freedom of speech should be there for every religion. I don't hate muslims I am from India I have a lot of Muslim friends. But the problem is that some people are so extremist you know that
The question itself is wrong. You know why? Because logically you can't conclude if a religion is peaceful or not by observing so-called adherents to the religion, since you could only judge the religion by the values it advocates and the values written in its scriptures. If a verse from the Quran says "Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." 60:8 And all verses saying kill the infidels wherever you find them are about specific cases of early Muslims getting persecuted in the Arabian Peninsula and these verses tells them to kill the people that drove them out of their homes and fought them. To conclude that since so-called adherents to a religion are doing violent acts therefore the cause is the religion is a logical fallacy which is assuming the cause. There are countless possibilities why there are violence among so-called adherents to Islam and you assumed the cause is Islam itself, but what if the cause is the violence Muslims suffered by Westerners? Such as America invading Iraq and butchering innocents which was the reason ISIS even began, only as revenge. What if the reason violence exists is the continuous butchering of Palestinian innocents "which is still happening and everyone is witnessing the absolute butchery" and westerners continuing to support the butcher "Which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed on why he is attacking America". What if it's because of westerns invading the holy land of Arabia and not respecting that it isn't permitted for non-muslims to enter Mecca "which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed as to why he is attacking America" What if the reason we don't hear debates about Hinduism or Buddhism or anyother religion being peaceful is that the adherents to these religion haven't suffered what Muslim adherents suffered? There are countless possibilities to why violence exists but you assumed the possibility that you wanted which is that the cause is Islam, which is logically false.
The idea that a woman raised in Ohio, with all the benefits of the west, would accuse a woman who has experienced FGM, forced marriage (which would have resulted in incest), death threats and political asylum, of not having a clear view of Islam is infuriating.
Sharia courts are to conderm them. Let's look this from a different prospective. Look here what it takes a Christian leaving in the Islam countries he or she leave in fear yet a Islam practionee is free as he or she practice in foreign land . Islam is a more cruel religion. They kill all christians exercising other region but yet them Islam's are free in the countries where Christianity is practiced.
Totally agree .. its so hypocritical when some free muslim women living in the west and born in the west tell.women who have lived in islamic countries who have suffered under sharia law that islam is a religion of peace and doesnt subjugate women.. just incredible hypocrisy and stupidity when ayaan has lived real Islamic countries
If the verses are so much open to interpretation that even 1400 years later, one minor group of followers are bringing chaos to world while the other major group of followers are cheering their acts either silently or loudly while yet another group is and silent for fear of retribution, this situation speaks for itself. It is very sad that such large population is caught into this quagmire and are successfully pulling more young western minds into their fold.
No one will win with this kind of debate, God is so simple & powerful, he give us life & GOD is life so GOD is within US all of our LIFE thru the HOLY spirit , Human being is composed of material body & holy spirit , as human being GOD give us FREEDOM to live as human with the power of mind & heart.. & he could not intervene this because he could not break his own law by giving human a freedom. He is with us only we have to learn on how live with HIM.. that's your puzzle , you ask your holy spirit the answer...remember no religion could save a person.
There was a program in Yemen that used the Quran to combat militarism. Scholars and clerics showed the young men that they were being purposely mislead by corrupt interpretations promoted by people who wanted to use them for violent ends. The US government helped support this program. I’m not sure it still exists. I believe it was active during the Bush and Obama eras.
I would love for one of these debates to focus on what Islam is, not what most practitioners want it to be. I think those who spoke against did a fairly good job addressing that, but invariably it got back to the desire of Muslims for their religion vs. it's reality.
Remember that cult members are permitted to lie to non-believers in order to 'defend' the cult. When you know enough of their scripture and sharia you can pick immediately how they are being dishonest.
There are distinct differences between Ayaan Hirsi-Ali and Zeba Khan. Khan is an American from Ohio. She has lived in a first world country her whole life. She was never forced into anything, including Islam itself. Hirsi-Ali was born in Somalia, a third world country where being Muslim is not a choice. She was forced to undergo female genital mutilation at the age of five and when she grew up had to FLEE to Europe. Because leaving Islam is an offense punishable by death. What has Zeba Khan had to flee from? Logic perhaps?
India is a thirld world country, millions of muslim there don't practise saudi's Islam, but open Islam, historically living together with Hindus and buddhist. Begotry makes you stereotype this obscenely
Diwash Gautam If that's the case that Hindus and Muslims live peacefully side by side, please explain recent events in Kashmir? Why did they have to split India into two countries to form Pakistan? Muslims don't live peacefully besides 'infidels'' unless they have assimilated into that society, which was the point being made in the debate.
Thomas O'Shaughnessy Religion does not cause the suffering, people do. People's misinterpretation or desire to control and manipulate others in the name of religion. You could call communism a religion. A religion without a deity, answerable only to the supreme leaders. More people have been killed, murdered and tortured that live in countries under communist rule. You are conflating religion with politics, as has been the way for millennia. Leaders across the world have used religion for their own political purpose and kept the masses in ignorance. Lack of a full education, a good education, is another valid point made in the debate.
Islam should be judged by the actions of Mohammad, the perfect prophet that they follow as an example. Not by secular versions that people make up Islam to be.
Christians do that all the time as well.... now either u go and hate them as u hate Islam/Muslims.... or u don't understand what they/we are trying to say
@@dragieultra6603 Islam is not a religion of peace an example is when Mohammad was receiving revelations he was told to be peaceful when he was the minority then to do defensive jihad when he was around half the population and when he and his followers were the majority Allah told them to do offensive jihad aka terrorism and or terrorist attacks
@@Jesusisgodamen11 did u understand my question? Christians say: "Christianity is a religion of peace" from your logic, Christianity is NOT a religion of peace because people have to remind all the time that it is peaceful now let this dumb logic sink in.....
@@dragieultra6603 , I’ve been a Christian for over 30 years. I have never said “Christianity is a religion of peace”, and I’ve never heard another Christian say it.
@@dragieultra6603 Christ told his followers to be instruments of his peace and love (to forgive and love one another and even their enemies) and to evangelize the Truth (meaning Him) with their words and with their lives. And that’s what Christians are expected to do. I wish all Christians or most of the them would follow the teachings of Christ but unfortunately they don’t. Jesus was a model of what he preached and he expects his followers to live by his teachings. Anyway, the world has turned into a chaos now. Everything is being politicized, even religions.
And what are the actions of almost all Muslims? Peace. Strange, that the calls for religious war only happened after Western colonization and invasion happened
I applaud Zeba and Majid for trying to be voices of reason in the Islamic world, but Majid needs to understand that unless you accept that there is a problem there can be no solution. Also, if you are afraid to stand up against the radical minority because you could lose your life is a sad reminder that it is not yet a religion of peace.
In all honesty where and who ( governing body) suppressed, hunts, blacklist and in many instances, murder, those with balls enough to stand up to unjust power, and just plain unjust situation such as interwoven, etched and embedded in western society - targeted at indigenous people. Shall we begin to name the innumerable people who were/are victims of telling, uncovering and perpetrating truth? Come now
Who said there is no problem? Which religion or ideology is "without a problem"? The question is (i) how to define it (ii) how to tackle it. The current approach of the West, Charlie Hebdo et al, is unlikely to take us anywhere close.
And given the suppressive, lynching, blacklisting, lying history of Christianity - here and abroad- i.e., Patrice Lumumba; Nelson Mandela [speaking & acting out against the C hristian backed apartheid regime of Ian Smith]; Fidel Castro whom JFK wanted deaf and attempted it on more than one occasion because he ' bucked' the imperialistic USA; Malcolm X - murdered by paid assassins and a host of others killed for telling the truth and standing up to ' power' ( lying, deceitful government) in Christian America. Have you no knowledge of these occurrences, HERE?
Zeba is so completely brainwashed it hard to even watch this. I only continue because I feel like I need to. And also I love Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray.
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If islam is so peaceful, why do we have to be constantly reminded of it?
The US and elsewhere are becoming dictatorships now!! On CEO, one idealism😂. Not Muslim not Christian,
And yes we stay silent and let it all happen... Minus well take all the cows to slaughter for not believing in one big fat Bull S---t. Waka hey!
..... ... .. Not just the native hawaiians or indians anymore!!.
If Islam is so peaceful how come all of the members of the blood cult superstitious bullshit movements of the world belong to that brand of fairy stories?
are you grown up enough to be in such a discussion with a thoughtless question like that?
GREAT point..yeah right...
Coz u been fool from the kids. Ur parents scared u know what the truth. Same like many rabbai and priests before who barely spoken and debated about islam. Just a simple answer for that. If u are really knowledgeable, u can read, u can think, then open other religion books either hindu, buddhist, christian and islam. Study and take knowledge of what is written there. Simple as it is. U will not become a lawyer if u just read and know about the law. But u learn how to use the law. So u not to worry that u will become muslim just because read quran. Muslim can read bibble to know what the story about our nabi isa A.s according to christian. And from there we also know more about the religion of Jesus (Nabi Isa A.S). Did u pray the way of jesus pray? Did jesus drink alcohol and eat pork? Be brave in gathering information. We are human with religion that has patience. Don't over the limit else something will happen. Everyone has their right to protect their property, family and themself. Don't blame individuals by religion they had
11 years after this debate. If it is a religion of peace, why has there been zero improvement in extremism, treatment of women, equal rights, etc.?
They had 1400 years for those
It’s al Taquiyya. Their method of lying to d non-Ms. First step of j! had is dawa. This is a perfect demonstration 👆
Before the US invasion of Iraq, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Iraq
Before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Afghanistan
Before NATO intervened in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Libya
I think it is clear where the violence and terror came from
Otherwise, why did it not happen in Islamic countries that were not invaded by the West, such as Dubai, Qatar, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey, as happened in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya? If Islam is the problem?
@@ابراهيمالابراهيم-د9ظ Nice change in subject. Typical of extremists like you.
If respecting all ppl is about respect what if i say" im proud gay" everyone cheers but if i say "im proud straight" they wanna cut your head off. Like no media, company etc celebrates such a thing as the straight pride or so. Crazy ha?
Imagine a religion whose followers admit that they want to kill you. But they say you have a phobia if you don't want to be killed.
Which religion is that?
Islam.doesnt claim you have a phobia ,it claims god gives them.the right.
@@tramp2827stop playing stupid
You said it excellently
Where in the Koran did you see that? Have you even opened the book? Let me tell you what it says: "If you kill someone from the Book - Jews, Christians, Muslims - then you have killed the entire world.". Go look it up.@@jtither4646
12 years ago...still having the same conversation..
Islam can never die ... the fundamentals of islam teach terrorism . Read the arabic text ..u will know . The English translation is highly sugarcoated for the west .
No..now we are asking..
"Is Islam still taking a piss?"
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
Exactly. We are in a Islamic reformation. Can we just appreciate how great this debate is? This is what you call diversity and diverse opinions debating together, respectfully. Still a great conversation years later. Wonderful!
@@Dr.shukrihilowle We have been debating for the longest time and cannot deny the fact that there is no such thing as an Islamic reformation. The prophet had made some really horrible laws for Muslims to practice to the end of time.
If Islam was a religion of peace nobody would think to hold this debate.
So accurate
Hahaha true. Never thought about it that way.
That’s actually not true
Since it’s a religion of peace
you will
have people trying to debate that’s it not just because they have other beliefs
People debate it because they can see Islamic scripture being used by large numbers of its followers as justification for death and subjugation time and time again.
@@yesbabelon because they change the context of it
Every verse about killing a disbeliever is talking about a specific group of violent people 1400 years ago and not today
I watched this years ago. I'm watching it again after the horrific events of October 7, 2023 that were proudly carried out by Muslims and even more proudly celebrated by millions of Muslims around the world in the weeks that followed. I'm sorry Zeba. I'm sorry Maajid. But the silly fantasy that Islam Is a religion of peace has been destroyed for all time. It never was. It is not now. It never will be.
Well said. Spot on correct!!
PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE MEANING OF PEACE. Fight and killing ?
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Correct
They're very silent
It’s been 12 years since this was posted and it sure doesn’t seem like a religion of peace 😳
It ain’t. Their scriptures specifically order the followers to literally te4404!$3 d non-followers.
never has been for 4000 years or more
@@pa5287Islam itself is only 1300 years old
Whats the matter with you, killlllllllllllling, raping is not peaceful for you?????????
well you could say that but alot say its older then 4000 yers old myself i dont call it a religion it a ideology of hate to none believers@@lordvader3697
The whole history of Islam says it is definitely not a religion of peace.
Oh thats why it where always islamic countries that rescued the jews from christians. They rescued them from the romans, from the spanish inquisition, from the nazis. Thats why during the 600 years of ottoman empire christians, jews and muslims lived peacefully together. Thats why in the kuran Jesus is accepted as the son of god, as a prophet and he and his mother are respected, while the jews say jesus is a bastard and his mother is a hore.
France:- Christian vs Muslim
Israel:-Jews vs Muslim
Europe and America: Christian vs Muslim
India-Hindu vs Muslim
Myanmar: Buddhist vs Muslim
(Rohingya)
Bangladesh:-Hindu vs Muslim
Middle East Country:- Shia Muslim vs Sunni Muslim
Shri Lanka: Buddhist/ Christian vs Muslim
Nigeria: Christian vs Muslim
Pakistan:- Muslim vs Muslim
Pakistan:-Christian/Hindu vs Muslim
Afghanistan:-Muslim vs Muslim Now
And they say Islam is the most peaceful religion
amen!
It means you never read History.search for the golden age.and ask how (andalous)spain was .
@@ArchieAndrews-d3dare you kidding.you just mentiond the western countries who colonised arab countrys+ israel occupation😂
The fact that this debate simply cannot be run in any Muslim country - not 12 years ago, and not today in 2024 - due to the risk to life of anyone attending or speaking, answers the topic instantly.
The question itself is wrong.
You know why?
Because logically you can't conclude if a religion is peaceful or not by observing so-called adherents to the religion, since you could only judge the religion by the values it advocates and the values written in its scriptures.
If a verse from the Quran says
"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." 60:8
And all verses saying kill the infidels wherever you find them are about specific cases of early Muslims getting persecuted in the Arabian Peninsula and these verses tells them to kill the people that drove them out of their homes and fought them.
To conclude that since so-called adherents to a religion are doing violent acts therefore the cause is the religion is a logical fallacy which is assuming the cause. There are countless possibilities why there are violence among so-called adherents to Islam and you assumed the cause is Islam itself, but what if the cause is the violence Muslims suffered by Westerners? Such as America invading Iraq and butchering innocents which was the reason ISIS even began, only as revenge. What if the reason violence exists is the continuous butchering of Palestinian innocents "which is still happening and everyone is witnessing the absolute butchery" and westerners continuing to support the butcher "Which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed on why he is attacking America". What if it's because of westerns invading the holy land of Arabia and not respecting that it isn't permitted for non-muslims to enter Mecca "which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed as to why he is attacking America"
What if the reason we don't hear debates about Hinduism or Buddhism or anyother religion being peaceful is that the adherents to these religion haven't suffered what Muslim adherents suffered?
There are countless possibilities to why violence exists but you assumed the possibility that you wanted which is that the cause is Islam, which is logically false.
@@yossefgamerr3813 its simple your religion th-cam.com/video/SCey5WZv_Z8/w-d-xo.html
@@yossefgamerr3813Nah. There are many many religions. There is a reason Islam is an issue. Mohammed was a warrior and the book reflects that mind set.
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You haven't read anything I wrote. Please set aside your hatred and read. The book doesn't reflect the mindset. If you just read my comment for two seconds you will find a quote from the Quran completely opposite to what you say.
There are many many religions yes, but if you read what I wrote in my comment you wouldn't have said that. I'll add one more point to what I wrote in my previous comment, America invaded Iraq and butchered innocents which gave rise to ISIS, there was zero bombings in Iraq before America invaded it. There was zero bombings in Afghanistan before the soviet union invaded it. Other religions like Buddhism or Hinduism or whatever haven't suffered what Muslims suffered and also these religions don't have active communties or sense of belonging to a group, their religions are more like to yourself, but Islam is a community religion, you treat your fellow Muslims as brothers and you all feel together as a one body, so when you see the violence that Muslims have suffered you'll understand why that gives rise to violence and radicalism, since Muslims don't feel like individuals but as a whole community so when the invasion of Iraq happened, violence started to exist in places not even close to Iraq. Most of the violence you see from Muslims are results of taking revenge which you can't attribute to the religion of Islam. Muslims are concentrated in one region consisting of many countries called the Middle East, and that region has been invaded and colonised for years and years and years. Palestine is still currently colonised and stolen by Israel and the western world supports the butchery of Israel. since the last 4 months Israel killed 30K Palestinians and injured 70k with injuries such as losing a whole arm or leg. Just read about "2008 Gaza Massacre" Israel destroyed 46k houses, made 100k people homeless, The United Nations and the UK newspaper the Guardian and the human rights group Amnesty UK said they found overwhelming evidence of hundreds of children rights violations by Israel such as holding 11-year-old Palestinian children in their arms to shield off bullets "Ironic how they accuse Hamas of using human shields"
Read about China having concentration camps where they torture Muslims and enslave them there.
AFTER ALL THAT HOW DO YOU EXPECT VIOLENCE TO NOT EXIST.
I don't support violence and it has 100% nothing to do with Islam.
You can't just conclude that the violence exists because of Islam or Muhammad's teachings or whatever because it literally doesn't. Read the verse I quoted in my first comment.
There could be millions of reasons why violence exists but you just chose to blame Islam for it since you just want to undermine the religion and say that it's a wrong religion.
@@yossefgamerr3813 so there is no death to blasphemy in Islam?
As a Pakistani Christian we feel unsafe from my country because it a Muslim country
That's scary. Even here in America we're getting nervous.
We love you and hope you stay safe❤️
throwing hand gernades through the windows of Church services, people worshiping God, in Gods name no less, peaceful??? Yes, they did that, and are still doing such things, they never stop killing. To call it a religion of peace is insanity.
@@maryannanderson6809 bro talking about safe every day in pakistan minority is targeted especially women ...
bakistani muslims are the worst my friend you are a hero!
As an ex-Muslim, if there's one thing I have learned, is that here's a very, VERY big difference between "American Muslim" and "Muslim". People in the US (and many other Western countries) are completely detached from what Islam is. They only know the watered-down and Americanised version, that was born only because of an environment that promotes these positive values that are completely non-Islamic. Just like American "communists" or "socialists" only know the Americanised fantasy of what those words mean.
I could shake your hand for this statement.
Very well said.
Why are you an ex-Muslim?
so what are you saying? That the watered down version muslim can see as
good. But the middle east version muslim promotes violence! I would agree.
That's not what he is saying. And just so you understand, In Islam they obey the same 10 Commandments as Christians. They worship the same God just by a different name. And just as how a Christian will go out and sleep with his friend's wife, there are Muslims who go out and kill, both are breaking the Commandments. That has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ or Islam. The Koran specifically forbids you to kill especially a Jew, Christian, or another Muslim.@@jeffharrison1090
Short answer is NO, coming from a woman who lives in an Islamic country
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
I am a women who live in an islamic country and yes i am living in peace .if you have a problem condemn your country not islam.والسلام عليكم
@@LatifaDakir-fn3nxsounds like your country doesn’t follow your Quran so thank your country
@@Rahkvyothis comment proves u have no idea about Islam
@@ajsajamakovic4309 sounds like you don’t. I know all about Islam. Including its revelation story that somehow is the opposite versions of the Bible’s. Islam isn’t a religion just another cult I am sorry
Do this debate in Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan and you will know how peaceful is Islam 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Even turkey which was secular and democratic country is becoming islamic by the grace of Erdogan the dictator
The question itself is wrong.
You know why?
Because logically you can't conclude if a religion is peaceful or not by observing so-called adherents to the religion, since you could only judge the religion by the values it advocates and the values written in its scriptures.
If a verse from the Quran says
"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." 60:8
And all verses saying kill the infidels wherever you find them are about specific cases of early Muslims getting persecuted in the Arabian Peninsula and these verses tells them to kill the people that drove them out of their homes and fought them.
To conclude that since so-called adherents to a religion are doing violent acts therefore the cause is the religion is a logical fallacy which is assuming the cause. There are countless possibilities why there are violence among so-called adherents to Islam and you assumed the cause is Islam itself, but what if the cause is the violence Muslims suffered by Westerners? Such as America invading Iraq and butchering innocents which was the reason ISIS even began, only as revenge. What if the reason violence exists is the continuous butchering of Palestinian innocents "which is still happening and everyone is witnessing the absolute butchery" and westerners continuing to support the butcher "Which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed on why he is attacking America". What if it's because of westerns invading the holy land of Arabia and not respecting that it isn't permitted for non-muslims to enter Mecca "which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed as to why he is attacking America"
What if the reason we don't hear debates about Hinduism or Buddhism or anyother religion being peaceful is that the adherents to these religion haven't suffered what Muslim adherents suffered?
There are countless possibilities to why violence exists but you assumed the possibility that you wanted which is that the cause is Islam, which is logically false.
Omg, this!!!
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@yossefgamerr3813 did you listen to the debate, there is a reason the motion did not pass. Your arguments are apologetic and not to the point.
You might disclose to everyone that you are a Muslim yourself trying to falsely deny the true nature of this vicious religion in order to put others to sleep while you multiply exponentially and eventually take over democratically.
Now 2023 most UK people are in fear of speaking out against Islam, that speaks volumes…🕊
Soon UK will become a Islamic State....
try speaking against Ganesh or antisemitism ,atleast salman Rushdie got an award for islamophobia
@@mahjabeenmalik5306well, Ganesh didn’t order anyone to kill, convert, maim, rape etc.. we’re not trying to convert anyone. But school kids in the UK throwing beef in face of Hindu children tells the mentality of the parents and the teachings they follow.
Uk would soon become IK Islamic kingdom, very soon
Things can change fast. Your neighbour Netherlands has just made history by voting in Geert Wilders
It's extremely difficult to support the motion that Islam is a religion of peace. To non Muslims it may even sound as a joke.
I agree with you.
Even to a Muslim it should sound like a joke; look how many Muslims kill their own people on a daily basis. Terrible!!!
Not just a joke but a cruel joke
Islam's peace means 'Total Submission' = Total Religious Brainwashed Slave Hive Mind
Religion has started more wars than anyone no wonder she had to flee why doesn't she go back from were she came I believe in. God but he must be so tired of all the fighting he is more powerful than any human and he will strike his wrath on the world it can't go on the Koran suits you as you make it what you want
63 thousands comments and all denounced Islam ☪️ says everything.
No one wants that cu l t 🔥
Not only does it teach to hate or K Jews and Christians
Everyone is not save. Because its say k all unbelievers ( anyone who don't believe in allah and Momo 🔥
2 billions muslim practising islam says something 😊
2 billions muslim practising islam says something 😊
If Islam is a religion of peace, why then there are so much violence surrounding Islam and the people who follow it? Action speaks louder than words.
Before the US invasion of Iraq, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Iraq
Before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Afghanistan
Before NATO intervened in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, no terrorist bombing had occurred in the history of Libya
I think it is clear where the violence and terror came from
Otherwise, why did it not happen in Islamic countries that were not invaded by the West, such as Dubai, Qatar, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey, as happened in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya? If Islam is the problem?
What other religion endorses murder for a single cartoon caricature
Am an ex muslim but its very clear that the main cause for violence and terrorism in the middle east is the invasion of the US and russia to iraq and Afghanistan
@@ابراهيمالابراهيم-د9ظget a hold of yourself ...so many excuses! The founder of islam itself killed how many people? In the name of Islam?!
@@laurenceshtull6777lol well said man
If Islam is for peace, why are there so many aggressive demonstrations about issues that supposedly affect Islamic people but little or no reaction from more passive people and religions.
...they will shout "alla#akba#" & "ta#bir"to supporting islamic terrorist or crimes against NM..
a lot of westerners are actually blind to this stuff they really do not realise how insidious it is
My best friend of 20 years, like a sister to me, became involved with a Muslim man. I really liked him and thought they were a great match. Then she started adopting his religion, which I didn't even realize he followed. But they were planning to be married and I figured meh she's probably just wanting to ingratiate herself with his family, who were very religious.
She got more and more into it and HE DID TOO. I began reading that a young Muslim American man will begin to get MUCH more fundamentalist once he marries.
I called her and said I was feeling concerned that she was possibly getting into something deeper than she'd eventually like. She had already declared there would be no alcohol at her wedding, she had dyed her hair black & started dressing different from her usual beachy California blonde style. RIGHT THEN AND THERE SHE CUT ME OFF & told me that our friendship had come to an end. She hung up the phone and blocked me. I called, emailed, & messaged any way I could. She wouldn't respond. Apparently he had let her know that I would be a deterrent to her new faith and that she must cut me out before I poisoned her mind.
Islam is a tyrannical toxic religion.
made for idiots...weak people
yeah,they always pray in day and less work thats why less productive if not of their oil.in disasters i noticed that there were no islamic country who help or extend their hand.unlike Japan who extend their knowledge like inventions,let us focus on inventions for progress useful in uplifting the lives of the people,not idolized firearms.
#ExMuslim Nabi Asli, #AdamSeeker, #ApostateProphet
I live in israel, and since we all live together I already know the story... he beats her, she's trying to escape, if she's lucky it's possible, if not he'll kill her for dishonored his name as a man...in israel there are even organizations that helps jews women that are trapped in that violent cycle to run away. I know few and one friend of mine lives in the west bank(!!) And cover herself completely so they won't know she's Jewish... I know he beats her even before they got married and had a baby 😔
She will get whats coming to her...such a useful idiot
I wonder, did those who defend Islam by saying it is a religion of peace write a new Quran that we don't know about?
no. we aren't like the religions that change their scriptures for the approval of the west xx
As an African ( west Africa) I can definitely assure that religion specifically Islam have been the worse thing that happened to Africa
Same from here in israel 🇮🇱
Let's be honest, I believe that any country that had to *suffer* from Islam, from the inside out, would agree as well.
thank you
We have to warn africa. The Chinese are coming and Islam is theyre battering ram. I have no idea how, but i know Africa needs help the same way the rest of us do.
bro in india too unlike hindus most of muslim put thier religion before country and its frustrating!!
Most Africans are Muslims by choice. Speak for yourself not for Africa. You Western colonial bootlicker.
In India, fear of Islam is not called "Islamophobia", but common sense.
In india muslims dont call it the fear of the Hindu extremist government but the call it common sense.
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They know how insane Muslims are.
Justice for Aisha..
Very True
I want to write a whole small para but I want to live tomorrow so deleted it🙂🙂...
I don’t have a problem with people being a Muslim. But they have a problem that I’m not a Muslim and that’s the issue. You can judge a religion by how it informs its followers to treat others especially those who believe differently.
well don't forget they are against anyone that is diffrent from them if your gay or anything your getting killed or captured to be tortured and beheaded or stoned
The Quran says, "There is no compulsion in religion" in verse 2:256 of Al-Baqara
@@jeeja292 you can say it But your extremists’ practice is totally different!!
Please refine your book and mullahs
EXCELLENT comment Kudos!👏💐
You are 💯correct.
I dont have a problem with their beliefs but they have a problem with mine. Because I am of Hindu origin!
@@peace1170 your religion is not the only victim of extremism. Extremist Muslims attack Muslims also because they differ in their beliefs.
So, you can't say muslims as a whole are wrong it's extremists/fanatics.
They are allowed to lie to protect their faith
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
To speak that Islam is a religion of peace is denying reality 😂 Spot on
For example jews have their golden age while they were living under muslim rule.after 8 centuries of being absent in palestine when muslims came they let jews to live in palestine
What do you know of Islam? Have you ever read a book on it? If you can read, that is.
What exactly are you saying? Jews have never been under Muslim rule.@@Tatar_Piano
@@tramp2827 It was a quote from the debate. It seems you are deaf
I haven't listened to the debate. I have read the Koran from beginning to end. I have also read the Torah. So I am answering the question posed. It is a religion of peace.@@Oyeoye007
"Islam is a religion of peace... A piece of you here, a piece of you there"
-Bill Maher
1.10.54 Douglas Murray realizes again he's gay when that statement is made.
I dont care about you cuz I am muslim
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"Peace" in Islam means surrender. Islam spreads Peace by destroying everything that doesn't believe in it and hence brings peace only to all those who believe in it.
We Human beings could end all the stone-age barbarisms like Cannibalism, Head hunting, Witch craft etc. But, It is a shame for Humanity that we still have this barbaric cult called Islam among us in 21st century.
@@heavyfromteamfortress2814 sweetie, you're just proving their point
If Islam be the religion of peace then the meaning of PEACE will be changed..
Well, if they can change what the definition of a woman is, why not peace?
Well said 👏👏👏
@@eduardopena5893 if possible then read Koran. You can find the reason.
@@eduardopena5893 About 10 years ago today, I used to believe that after reading the Qur'an on "religion doesn't teach, aapse me bhar karna" my thoughts turned on my head. The reason for this is because of these surah verses of the Qur'an. You also read and tell everyone :-*
*Sura verse 2:98 -* Allah is the enemy of non-Muslims!
*Sura Ayat 3:85 -* No other religion/religion is accepted other than Islam!
*Sura verse 8:12 -* Allah will instill fear in the hearts of those who disbelieve Islam, and Muslims, you cut their limbs by hitting their necks!
*Sura verse 3:118-* Make only Muslims your intimate friend!
*Sura verse 3:28 and **9:23**-* Do not make friends with non-Muslims!
*Sura verse 8:39 -* fight non-Muslims until the faith of Allah is fully established!
*Sura verse 22:30-* Idols are filth!
*Sura verse 9:5 -* Ambush and kill the idolaters wherever and whenever you can!
*Sura verse 33:61-* Wherever the faithful and idolaters are caught, they will be brutally killed!
*Surah verse 3:62,2:255,27:61 and 35:3 - * There is no other god than Allah!
*Sura verse 21:98 -* Those who worship anyone other than Allah are the fuel of Hell!
* Sura verse 9:28 -* idolaters are impure (unholy)!
*Sura verse 4:101 -* Kafirs are your open enemies!
*Sura verse 9:123 -* oppress the infidels!
* Sura verse 9:29 - * By humiliating the infidels, make jizya from them!
* Sura verse 66:9 - * Do jihad (war) with the infidels and the beneficiaries!
*Sura verse 4:56 -* Will cook the skin of the disbeliever!
*Sura verse 8:69 -* All spoils (including women) are Halal!
*Sura verse 9:14 -* Allah will punish the disbelievers at the hands of the believers!
*Sura verse 8:57 -* be cruel to the prisoners of war!
*Sura Ayat **32:22**-* Take revenge on those who leave Islam!
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Now after knowing this, those who say that no religion teaches wrong, they are either wrong themselves or they do not know anything about Quran and Islam. In fact, the Quran is the root of terrorism. These sentences are not mine but of the learned woman of Muslim society "Taslima Nasreen".
Hindus who find these verses to be fake, download the Quran and check them. These ignorant/blind secularists deliberately spread confusion in the society by taking half-incomplete information!!
By Sanjay Dixit - Former IAS Officer
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@@mithubhattacharya6156 I have already read it. That is why I can make the claims I do and not get it flagged as "hate speech," because everything I state is in their book. So if me repeating what the book says is "hate speech," then that means the Koran is full of hate speech and it and muslims who echo the teachings here on YT should be banned.
No way lady! Actions of terrorists ARENT only politically motivated.
Anyone who thinks Islam is a religion of peace is so completely ignorant of their scriptures.
What do you know of the scripture that tells you this??
@@tramp2827 Islam people are con artists in their core soul. Manipulators to get their way. Brainwashed. Dangerous, vile people. How about that Dutch cartoon artist who was killed for making a cartoon joke of some Islam figure? The Muslim people hunted him down and killed him. That is when I realized Muslims are nuts. Kinda nuts like the Catholics were during the Spanish inquisition.
@tramp2827 i have added 2 replies to you but TH-cam are deleting and stopping me comment.
Just so you know. Islam, as stated in the Koran, is one of the most peaceful religions in the world.@@derekbland5253
Indeed. One of the reasons i don't even trust so called ' progressive ' Muslims anymore , is their portrayal of Islam as similar to the other large religions and philosophies. It is not. It is a veritable guide for psychopaths , founded by a psychopath. Muslims who are good people , are good people in spite of the content of their religion , not because of it , even though a lot of them think that's the reason. A lot of them don't know the content well , or simply ignore it.
If a religion / ideology is peaceful, you don't have to express it over and over again, the actions of its believers show how peaceful it is, not what they say.
If you want to know about a religion, read its holy book. Don't just look at some groups or people who claimed to represent the religion when they're not. Quick logic here, you can find both good and bad people in all religions.
@@khairunnasulfikri1512 Read the holy book, but then you need an expert scholar to twist all the violence it contains too into something remotely peaceful. No other religion needs this.
@@Anthony1uk that's what you see when you don't have an open mind. If the scholars really want to twist things, why didnt they twist everything that seems to be unfit with the modern world? Think again
@@Anthony1uk why do the scholars still go against LGBT although a big fraction of people today accepts it? If they wanted to lure and twist it, of course they could have done it. But they didnt.
@@Anthony1uk you need to acknowledge that contexts are indeed important. Not everything can be generally applied to everyone, and that's why context exists.
Imagine if 10s of thousands of western people moved to Muslims countries and lived a western life l believe you would see the true colours.
I don't disagree with you one bit, feminists and other minorities would find out how good they have it over here.
western life is nothing if we stop talking truth
Theres no such thing as a Western lifestyle, what you are saying is the exact same thing that was said about the Jews in Europe when they first started getting equal rights as the Christians.
@Lion of Islam: سيد Umar You know nothing about the commenter. FACT.
@Lion of Islam: سيد Umar, allah is satan! Stop spamming your filthy satanic propaganda.
Woman defending islam is like chicken defending KFC
True. Sadly, Muslims can't digest the truth. They're ignorant.
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
Oh man , wished you had read the women rights in islam instead of giving your false opinion
“You should not be afraid of someone who has a library and reads many books; you should fear someone who has only one book; and he considers it sacred, but he has never read it”
~ Friedrich Nietzsche
well said👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Wonderfully put !
How very true and totally representative of the vast majority of Isla!
@davidbigley800 its true for every religion, not to mention ideology
Zeal without knowledge.
“Is Islam a religion of peace?”
The religious text itself is clearly _not peaceful._
The fact there are many people who practice Islam, who choose to ignore the bad parts, doesn’t make it any more peaceful. It just means they are humans who determine their own morality & boundaries within that religion.
The literal text can and is, often quoted by Jihadists and terrorists.
If Islam was only about peace, they would have no way to turn it into a doctrine for war because the foundation for it simply wouldn’t be there.
yes
@francislozano6928 May God bless you at least you can see. Unlike those fools out there in the platform coming with stupid questions. Why can't they answer why all terrorists are Muslims?
True islam has no place in civilized society.
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
Love your comment just because its more balanced than the rest here. Still have to point out, many religions speak of violence and war, even genocide. Yet Judaism or Hinduism, Catholicism or Paganism, only Islam is the one being asked the question of peacefulness in scripture
Even Muslim people have a difficult time justifying the actions and beliefs of their religion 🧐
I hadn't noticed.
Their justification is that it was given to them by God and as such is an unquestionable, unassailable Truth. The easiest justification in this world, a no-brainer.
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
@@sir_humpy the justification of every religion
@@intermaria, yes...and no. Formally yes but what concerns humanity in reality is what people do based on this justification in the 21st century. And there is a reason we are not commenting under a video Is Christianity, or Hindiusm, or Jainism, or Pastafarianism a religion of peace. Not all religions are created equal.
As a person coming from the Islam society never heard of about Islam being peaceful. That’s not what I have witnessed.
As an ex wife of a muslim, i confirm that 4 years of my marriage life were darkest years im still struggling to get over it even being married again(definately not to muslim).
Welcome back to earth from hell
Amen
Killing in the name of propogating its religion is no religion of peace
But that doesn't mean ur new husband is good person, ur ex husband being Muslim with bad deeds doesn't reflex all the muslims behavior
@@محمدعثمان-غ1ط, since she specifically brought out the point of her ex-husband being a muslim, even a peabrain should be able to understand that his bad behaviour was islam-induced and not because he was necessarily a bad person per se.
Saying Islam is a religion of peace is trying to be politically correct and disingenuous or just sheer ignorance.
They just got the spellings wrong... its pisslam, the religion of piss.
I am a Christian and for peace. What about Christians? Why are Christians quite about what is happening in Ukraine? We hardly hear Megachurhes condemning wars all over the world. Peace.
@@livhuwanitshisikule3515Because we are at War! There is a difference.
@@livhuwanitshisikule3515it's true and sad! Thank you so much for pointing at the 🐘 in the room no one pretending not seeing, and worship the One they do NOT know. Both words and actions speak. God bless you! 🇺🇦💙💛
Islam offers peace only to followers of the faith.
Even within Islam there is bitter animosity between the the different branches e.g. Shia and Sunni.
To call it a religion of peace is absurd.
It offers peace only to Muslim MEN. Women have no peace under male dominance. Islam is for MEN.
Agree 💯👍
Really absurd my brother
This animosity has nothing to do with Islam. The Koran teaches love and respect for all things living. Try reading it sometime. The animosity is between two sects, each claiming to be a direct descendant of Mohammed. Wasn't long ago Catholics were slaughtering Protestants over less than that. A Muslim follows the Koran. He can't ill-treat his wife, kids, or animals. He can't kill anyone of the Book: Jews, Muslims, or Christians. He gives charity to whoever needs it, even non-Muslims. Get your facts right.
That is your interpretation and doubtless that of many Muslims. Unfortunately there are other less benign interpretations and these are in the ascendancy.@@tramp2827
10%practice cruel brutal way and 90%supporting and symphatizers, no different
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
Don't look at their words,look at their actions
Thanks for this!
Islam means not peace but submission.
There you go!
Correct, but as a Muslim it’s a peaceful religion. Islam is perfect, the people aren’t. The extremists ruin it.
Now that’s the Truth…submit or die..
@@Goldencitygirl What truth? That’s blasphemy and your own interpretation of Islam. Do your research
@@Zz-ml7bl So you´re saying that Islam does translate to submission?
As an Iranian, it pissed me off when ZIba is using us as an example of gender equality where it's anything but
it's called Taqiya. Bothe the woman and the man who supported Islam in this discussion practiced Taqiya.
Surely in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find comfort. Quran 13:28
Zeba is superficial
@@deepikagovind
She's a sheltered girl who grew up in the comfort of the West enjoying her accolades of being smart and educated, under the protection of a culturealy Christian nation. She is young and foolish.
The average person cannot contextualize the Quran because of the oppression that goes on in their countries. When they are free to think for themselves and are able to live a free life.
There should be an international organisation that will provide legal protection and shelter for Muslims who want to leave Islam. Especially in those countries that constitutionally allow freedom of religion and worship. Since Islam is determined to kill apostates It should be banned from those countries.
What puzzles me are the constant efforts to normalise Islamic violence.
it's done on purpose ether to start a holey war or to turn the west Islamic step by step.
You wonder why? It‘s part of the islamic strategy to lie to non-believers about it’s containments. It’s called „Taqiyya“ (ruse, cunning) and makes it officially legal to lie about their religion (also to other Muslims) in order to protect its reputation in order to spread it.
almost half the world turned a blind eye to what Hamas did
because they're just doing their "god's" will
islam is a web of lies. you would have to be dogmatic, gullible, or just stupid to truly believe in it
Even Muslim people are afraid of Islam, I grew up with them,
People who left Islam or want to leave it are so scared of their own life
cultural issues not religious xx
You can take a Muslim out of the dark ages but you can Never take the dark ages out a Muslim !
😅😂😂
ooo so scary look at u brainwashed
Same as Christianity they hide in a dark hole 🕳 👍
Brilliant analogy!
@@kathybrown3160 do u want me to just debunk christianity and show how barbaric ur religon truly is
Imagine holding a debate about whether Buddhism or Hinduism was peaceful? Tells you a lot about the so called religion of peace!
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
A religion follower's are not peaceful, but religions teachings are peaceful when you understand without prejudice and misinterpretation.
Zeba is very blessed to have been raised in western society. Unlike Ayan who suffered terribly.
Yep... she was subjected to female genital mutilation as a young kid in Somalia. What a fckin sick society!
Ayaan speak so eloquently I love to listen to her when she speaks
I was impressed by Ayan she explained well.
Ayaan is an Zulu Shaka African
True, Zeba has been given the luck of life. But we know as women that these patriarch monotheistic religions and societies , are not framed on women using the same door and having a woman leader. Not only Muslim but even in the USA religious denominations has voted No to women in leadership. It’s good that Ayan asked her about her solidarity. But in the first world we may not define solidarity the same way that Ayan does.
After 12 years of this debate, I still say: NO. Islam is NOT a religion of peace.
ISLAM IS THE ARTIFICIAL BLIND FAITH BUSINESS .ISLAM IS NEVER RELIGION .
ISLAM IS THE DEEN PVT COMPANY BUSINESS NEED CONVERTED SLAVE EWE
What do you know about Islam? Have you lived with actual Muslims or you just commenting like the masses on here who have no idea what Islam actually really is because they've been brain washed by the mainstream media!
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True🤣🤣
False Christian lady
I want to see Mosab Hassan Yousef in these debates. He will school these Muslims about their own religion in less than 5 minutes.
He is absolutely worthless
@@nouricelestoYeah he is.
But you won't debate him
The spy who sells his own out to be killed. Yeah ok.
@@davymyboy7966 If I were you, I would take the time to really consider his point view, experiences, and overall message. I would listen to all his interviews. He comes across to me as a truly upright human being (which is more than I can say about any Muslim I ever met).
@@nouricelesto If I were you, I would take the time to really consider his point view, experiences, and overall message. I would listen to all his interviews. He comes across to me as a truly upright human being (which is more than I can say about any Muslim I ever met).
Amen 🙏 🙏 🙏 thank you for the chanel watching from Fiji 🇫🇯
Islam is a religion of peace for ppl who don’t read Quran. I tried to read Quran to understand Islam and one verse clearly teaches to strike the neck of those who don’t believe…
Jesus said to dust your feet off at them, when they didn’t believe, and leave that town, while they went preaching the gospel. Other verses say to pray for your enemies, and to forgive one another 77 times, and another to forgive as our Heavenly Father has forgiven us of the sin we commit, against Him, which would include worship of other Gods, living in unforgiveness, lying, cheating, stealing against another
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
Meanwhile Christianity/Judaism:
Deuteronomy 20
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.
They read alot of Quran and that why they love to kill more people like the hamas... 😂😂
I studied what you mentioned twice. Israel didn’t follow God commands all the way and at the end Judah and Israel got exiled as they offended God for worshiping idols performing child sacrifice for generations. Gods plan was for Israel to be pure apart from neighboring idol worshiping countries hence the elimination; also God never punishes on day one. God has given those Cannonites 400 years to repent as Israeli was still in Egypt as slaves yet their sin isn’t stop but escalating. As the other replied Jesus came to complete the external laws teaching ppl to walk away from those who don’t believe through him the salvation is complete. The Old Testament is always a mirror as when we don’t follow the commands all the way little sinful thought will creep up as weeds growing through concrete. Hope this help with insight.
Ayana Hisri Ali- I am a huge fan of her after watching this debate. Not because she supports or opposes any religion, but because she emphasizes the point that we cannot improve if we do not acknowledge and address our shortcomings.
What else can you expect from an Indian muslim, the only example she could quote was Tamilian tigers because she wanted to point out that even Hindus can be terrorists, but she forgot to mention that LTTE was not fighting any holy war for their religion, they were fighting against the then Sri Lankan government for their rights. I am yet to see a muslim condemning any islamic terrorist group either publicly or privately as if they are indirectly supporting them. Muslims have lived for some generations in India now, but still they will never put India above their religion, their sympathy and their priority always is towards their religion and that's what makes them very hard to co-exist with. Now they have entered in Europe in large quantities and we can very well see how they are destroying it......they never mingle with other religion and societies and try to force their religion even as an outsider in another country, religion of peace my foot
Very well put friend
I'm from Israel and I agree with every thing, and that why israelis (among many other reasons) understand, love and support India and its people- because we know how it's to be surrendered by Muslims and have them within your country. Almost every single day (for real, EVERY SINGLE DAY) we have terror attacks, not to mention wars like now... we remember what happend in kashmir...🙏🏻
Now, as middle eastern, the Islamic-ARAB mentality is so strong and different from the west it's crazy. It's like they got stucked the bronze Era and everyone is cheering globally for another terror-dictatorship country that will give 0 human rights and 0 value to the world+ needs to throw all the jews to the sea like the hamas charter is saying.
Sorry that it's harsh, but being afraid of being realistic will be bad for the western society if we'll do nothing against the rise of Islam.
Are all of the 62k comments stating why it is not a religion of peace, never was and never will?
This video should be compulsory viewing in Harvard, MIT and UPenn today.
They'll call you a pobe you know that come on now 😂
Among many, many other universities.
Best Line Doulas Murray; To say that Islam is the Religion of Peace is Nonsense. To ignore Reality is to Elevate Hope into Truth
Zeba, if you say that majority of Muslims are peaceful, we need that majority to stand up with us, Israel and all Jews! Our existence is threatened by violent followers of Quran, people who like to show the world their victim hood!
douglas murray the new right guy? the one who insults single mothers for no reason?
Ayn Alli Hersi and Douglas Murray are two people who saw the writing on the wall&keep these conversations honest! And they still are doing it!
WHY: The Islamic states need an enemy to justify their brutal treatment of their own people. This why they kill babies.
I read your comment while the other woman gave as example for a place that Muslim women can demand their rights (started to mumble the answer around 57:08 ) and all I could think is "how wrong she was even back then, but how right she is when you look at it right now- the regime of Iran IS the best representative for the Islam, let along their books.
If you really want to know if Islam is peaceful, hold this debate in an Islamic country!
First we must define "peace". If it is defined as the absence of violence: then no, Islam is not a religion of peace.
NONE of the religions got no violence in their history.
Even Buddhists have been committing violence.
And let's not even get into Christianity... THE bloodiest of all religions.
But a that's not the point.
Religion is..this might sounds like a cliche..not the problem. It's the PEOPLE.
And this is not the same thing as the argument about guns, mind you..where guns can very readily be USED for violence.. where religions can only be used for it depending on the person's INTERPRETATIONS.
Smart, but a religion of peace would not be absence of peace, but promotion of peace. Nevertheless, Islam is still the most murderous religion to ever exist, bloody murderous.
so somewhere down the line, every single religion is violent. whether it be war or parts of the scripture of whatever religion is in question. I don't know what the purpose of life is, religion doesn't seem to be it...
Islam is peaceful like most dictatorships when they have full control ,but it is the peace of the cemetery, the peace of fear ,the destruction of God's free will. Such an evil ideology can only come from the devil and in a counterfeit to Christ his son Mohammed was sent to cause chaos in the world.😮
No religion is peaceful. Peace is found in Christ. He is our Prince of peace. If we all follow Jesus we would have peace. Muslims are peaceful in spite of Islam.
Any religion can say they are religion of peace but easy to identify them by their actions..
"Islamophobia" is a smoke-screen term.
Having a phobia means having an irrational fear.
But fearing Islam which wants 80% of humanity enslaved or exterminated is totally rational.
Hence, you cannot call this a phobia.
Islam fears scrutiny and accountably, that's true Islamophobia
It is indeed a rational fear because it is truly brutal. After October 7 we should never again question if it is peaceful. It is not!
should we also question Judaism since 700+ Palestinians has been killed by IDF soldiers before Oct 7th?, i get that hamas is bad, but if your religion is a religion of peace, why did they bomb the refugee boarder and the hospital?@@Jesussaves8961
@@jjthoughts9920 KNOCK IT OFF! You know very well that the fakestinians never cooperate when they cause trouble then when the IDf has to make arrests. Shame on you! Nasty l!es, you love nasty l!es! Repent and seek Jesus as Savior because Jesus will not let ev!l go on forever and time is short!
..COMPLETELY agree.
Islam is far for being a religion of peace. 2024
thankss for adding the year it's almost like we couldn't check/know
Give a logical reason ? Dont make assumptions. Hitler wasnt muslim , Dahmer wasnt muslim, etc
In Iran, I can confidently state that 99% of my generation (I was born in 1984) and the generation after me (younger) are not religious at all. We have seen, watched, heard, and, most importantly, mentally and physically felt the unpeacefulness of Islam (and other religions too). So, we don't call it "Islamophobia," but we simply and rightfully call it "Islamotrauma" because, as I mentioned earlier, we mentally and physically felt the fear. Trauma is when you feel the fear and you do not want to feel it again, so the better term is "Islamotrauma." I can definitely and fortunately say that the future of Iran is closer to what it used to be in the history of Persia, where spirituality, tolerance, beauty, culture, and art are more appreciated than religion.
Is it real? This means there will be a change in the faith, if there is no extremism, the world could become good place to live in .❤❤❤ I can reconstruct of ancient Persia, and it’s Zoroastrian faith close to Hinduism ❤
Isn't Iran an islamic country? 99% of Iran can't be apostates. Islam wouldn't tolerate one apostate.
Beautifully put!
ريدم تو اسلام
To everyone here, dare prove to me that Islam ISN'T a religion of peace using the scriptures, I dare you
according to my Muslim cousin, peace has different definition for Islam... there will be peace only if the world is Muslim world. meaning unless there is another religion or people who never believe in Islam, there will be no peace.
But, Is there peace among Muslims worldwide ?
They will fight between Shia Sunni and Ahmediyas
Thats not true..even Muslim world fights each other like yemen and suadia the both Muslim then why fighting each others? Its a big lie..to deciev and make u believ that they r peaceful.
Unfortunately u r missing that even prophet's family itself killed by muslims
Religion of peace? I doubt
I find it hilarious that Muslims who grew up in western countries can dismiss Ayan’s personal experience growing up in a Muslim country
This comment is like asking the credibility of testimony of a black american living in KKK countryside.....
C M I love that what's just happened has suddenly given this debate a massive viewing/comment boost
the taliban is creating a country following sharia law but if u would ask a western muslim if they would move there they would say no
Exactly, her "story" is that the US is awesome and allows her to be a heretic
@@shinobi-no-bueno I wonder what did the Dutch governent found in their investigations to remove her from their majority christian country.
Thanks Douglas Murray for preaching truth and exposing evils of Islam to the world
Zeba studdered, mumbled when it was her time to talk about women under Islam.... facts cannot be denied
😢 She was shameful!
What are the facts? Please elaborate
They're second class citizens under Islam
Truly, if you watch her facial expressions throughout others speaking, she is hurt. This is a woman who is only just learning about the horrors of her religion. I think she has no idea of the atrocities outside her very elite world. If only other Muslim women could be largely given such a life.
Smart question😅
It's been 12 years. So much peace in the world now.😀
And this video was posted 11 years after 9/11.
Which was not the first terror attack by Islam in the west by a long, long stretch.
Islam means war. The sooner the west understands that, the safer we'll be.
Without lies Islam dies, period.
Well said 💯 without lies Islam dies
OK, BUT QURANN CLEARLY SAY TO BEHEAD A NON MUSLIM. A NON MIUSLIM IS KAFIR AND CANNOT GO TO HEAVEAN. IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIM TO MAKE SURE TO FORCEFULLY CONVERT NON MUSLIMS. ISLAMM TOTALLY ALLOWS KILLING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. WHERE IS PEACE YOU SH1ttt
Religion of peace strikes again.
ISLAM AND PEACE DO NOT GO TOGETER@@anthonycabigon2230
*The Book of Marriage*
(78)
Chapter: Consummation Of Marriage With A Girl Of Nine
(78)
باب الْبِنَاءِ بِابْنَةِ تِسْعٍ .
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
*"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."*
Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)
Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378In-book reference : Book 26, Hadith 183English translation : Vol. 4, Book 26, Hadith 3380
*How could Muhammed do such stupid things if he is a prophet*
The only religion.. where the most reversed leader.. the Prophet... Read his life. It is a two phase story. Phase one.. where Prophet was weak, meak and at the time he wrote some portions which are indeed peaceful but phase 2 life was the violent mysogynist who lived a life not worthy of emulation .. this dichotomy is reflected in the book too.
If you criticize religion of peace, you can get rest in peace.
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lol. yea
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Amazingly put 👍🏽 and sadly true
See comment above..
Nobody is afraid when they criticise the Christian faith or Judaism, but thumbs up if you think twice about criticise the Islamic faith. Some people are afraid of extremists. Even a silly comment like this I did think twice before posting...
You are right 100%, i live in an european City. And its dangerous, even if the "muslims" are "normal" people....
Study of mass killing in history puts Christians on top of the list of committing genocides and wars more than half billion almost 700 million, which is way more than Antithiests, Buddhists, and Muslims combined
Crusades, Inquisitions, witch hunting, Christian on Christian wars, persecution of Jews, maintaining feudalism, genocides, mass murders, purges, ethnic cleanings, murders in Christian institutions, Colonization, ethnic cleansing of Aboriginals, Mayan, Incas, Maori. Holocaust, Hollander, Circassian genocide, Bosnia, World wars, now war on terror killing millions in Middle East for peace George Bush became Hitler by quoting God's work.
Now Netanyahu justify genocide and mass rape prescribed by Bible.
Islam koran is EVIL
How funny, every time those two Muslims are confronted with a question about violence in Islam, their answer is well let’s look about you and your society… 😁
Deflection is the way they operate.....it's a deflection for their own evil intentions.
@@michaelehrenberg8583 Round of applause for another stupid tactic…GENERALIZING. 🤦♀️
Then perhaps you’re talking to the wrong people, I can explain to you.
Every time a muslim is confronted with their vile teachings ...they do the exact same thing! They evade and attack!
@@michaelehrenberg8583 Exactly!
Short answer is NO, coming from a woman who lives in an Islamic country
Extremists are a consequence of last decades western foreign policy in the Middle-East where millions of "civilians" were killed directly or indirectly. Loss of loved ones creates hate, hate creates revenge, revenge potentially blinds you and leads you to extremism.
A big round of standing ovation for the brave lady Ayan Hirsi Ali for stating the brutal truths about Islam most bluntly infront of the non muslim crowd ❤❤
I can recommend her book "infidel". It's about her long journey to freedom.
Plenty of Muslims in that audience.
Ayaan is absolutely right. She is a beacon of light among this darkness that is called Islam. Thank you, Ayaan and Douglass Murray for educating West.
Islam is rejected.
ISLAM TAKES YOU TO THE HORRIBLE WORLD.
WE HATE ISLAM.
The first muslim girl arguement is null because she grew up in a free country. Let her voice her beliefs in Pakistan or Saudi
Makes all sense
Or indonesia
Or brunei
@Big Deo Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
1:Samuel 15:3
I am from a proud Pakistani where every person is free to practice their own religion.Don't be so biased
After 11 years, this debate didn't age well for those who were in favor of that ridiculous motion.😂😂😂
It is especially bad after what just happened to Israel. Further proof that Islam is not a religion of peace is given by the refusal of any Muslim country to condemn what happened.
12 years later more and more people reverted to islam and can see tt Islam is the only truth. So far no muslim countries have initiated illegal wars like the xtian/athiest countries. Hundreds of million are killed and displaced due to war created by xtians/athiests
It was t until halfway through that I realized this wasn’t current. And the fact that this is closer to 9-11 than it is now… and the worlds view has only become MORE fearful of Muslim culture… says A LOT!
u would thought that after 9/11, the world would be more peaceful and muslims would be more tolerant and peaceful. here we are more than 2 decades later. @@elizabeth84266
Aged like Milk
I love it❤.
Thank Q very much. 🤗
Notice how we never have debates on if Buddhists, Hindus, or Jews are a peaceful religion. That says something about Islam.
Don't forget Palestine
In the presence of the Almighty, human's religions are mutiny 🙏
Jews? You serious? And the reason is because there isn't anything the west wants in country's where there are hindu's and Buddhist. In the middle east on the other hand there lot's of oil 🤑. So what do you do? You create islam terrorist groups by funding them and giving them weapons in a middle eastern country's. Now you have an excuse to invade and steal that country's stuff! Amerika is sponsering and funding terrorist groups in the middle east. They also lied about weapons of destruction to invade and kill millions of Iraqi's. Who are the real terrorists?
@@gordonaliasme1104 What? Palestine is a Muslim country, and this video literally debates whether Islam is a religion of peace.
It's because they never claim it. But islam claims it. No religion can ever become a religion of peace.
If I were to be one of the panelists I would have asked Majid and his partner just two questions and keep silent.
1) Is it possible for anyone to hold this kind of debate in any Muslim or Arab country and come out alive?
2) Why is it that of all the religion in the world, it is only Islam that is always being debated as being violence? Why is Christianity or Judaism or Hindu not being debated as violence? Why Islam all the time!?
Because its people were extremism mostly in all over the world slam provokes wars.
The second question was kinda put by a member of the audience.
Righty told
well in Hindu you can do constructive criticism no one will kill you for that freedom of speech should be there for every religion. I don't hate muslims I am from India I have a lot of Muslim friends. But the problem is that some people are so extremist you know that
Especially in a Jewish institution hosting it
Taking politics out of the equation, I’m eternally grateful for having been born in a Christian country called America.
There is no country called America even if you WERE born there!
Apart from the Christian crazies and the gun nut crazies. America's the continent mate - you inhabit one part of it, don't get ahead of yourself.
Yeah, stolen land. 😂
Get used to it
stop feeling guilt or resentment
Every culture has swept past the previous culture
If you don't like it LEAVE!
Very nice debate. Very difficult to defend Islam as religion of peace. Anyway I skipped AL TAQIYA part and watched only douglas team amazing arguments
Fact that Maajid had to work to get Muslims to accept more peaceful methods means even he knew Muslims are not a religion of peace
Deuteronomy 13:15-17
RIGHT??? I mean, the fact that he has his organization PROVES Islam being unpeaceful is a normal thing! The religion was never peaceful!
The question itself is wrong.
You know why?
Because logically you can't conclude if a religion is peaceful or not by observing so-called adherents to the religion, since you could only judge the religion by the values it advocates and the values written in its scriptures.
If a verse from the Quran says
"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." 60:8
And all verses saying kill the infidels wherever you find them are about specific cases of early Muslims getting persecuted in the Arabian Peninsula and these verses tells them to kill the people that drove them out of their homes and fought them.
To conclude that since so-called adherents to a religion are doing violent acts therefore the cause is the religion is a logical fallacy which is assuming the cause. There are countless possibilities why there are violence among so-called adherents to Islam and you assumed the cause is Islam itself, but what if the cause is the violence Muslims suffered by Westerners? Such as America invading Iraq and butchering innocents which was the reason ISIS even began, only as revenge. What if the reason violence exists is the continuous butchering of Palestinian innocents "which is still happening and everyone is witnessing the absolute butchery" and westerners continuing to support the butcher "Which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed on why he is attacking America". What if it's because of westerns invading the holy land of Arabia and not respecting that it isn't permitted for non-muslims to enter Mecca "which was one of the reasons Osama bin Laden listed as to why he is attacking America"
What if the reason we don't hear debates about Hinduism or Buddhism or anyother religion being peaceful is that the adherents to these religion haven't suffered what Muslim adherents suffered?
There are countless possibilities to why violence exists but you assumed the possibility that you wanted which is that the cause is Islam, which is logically false.
Muslim lies about being peaceful, leave Islam they’re strike ur neck.
The idea that a woman raised in Ohio, with all the benefits of the west, would accuse a woman who has experienced FGM, forced marriage (which would have resulted in incest), death threats and political asylum, of not having a clear view of Islam is infuriating.
Sharia courts are to conderm them. Let's look this from a different prospective.
Look here what it takes a Christian leaving in the Islam countries he or she leave in fear yet a Islam practionee is free as he or she practice in foreign land .
Islam is a more cruel religion.
They kill all christians exercising other region but yet them Islam's are free in the countries where Christianity is practiced.
Victim, victim victim, refuse to take responsibility and face the truth...sadly.
Look at the Oct.7th in Israel with Hammas.
In the name of Allah!
I am voting against the motion with the hope that they will take responsibility for their culture and raise the voices against the hate and terror.
Totally agree .. its so hypocritical when some free muslim women living in the west and born in the west tell.women who have lived in islamic countries who have suffered under sharia law that islam is a religion of peace and doesnt subjugate women.. just incredible hypocrisy and stupidity when ayaan has lived real Islamic countries
If the verses are so much open to interpretation that even 1400 years later, one minor group of followers are bringing chaos to world while the other major group of followers are cheering their acts either silently or loudly while yet another group is and silent for fear of retribution, this situation speaks for itself. It is very sad that such large population is caught into this quagmire and are successfully pulling more young western minds into their fold.
there is a reason it is the fastest going religion in the us prison systems...they trade one gang affiliation for another
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No one will win with this kind of debate, God is so simple & powerful, he give us life & GOD is life so GOD is within US all of our LIFE thru the HOLY spirit , Human being is composed of material body & holy spirit , as human being GOD give us FREEDOM to live as human with the power of mind & heart.. & he could not intervene this because he could not break his own law by giving human a freedom. He is with us only we have to learn on how live with HIM.. that's your puzzle , you ask your holy spirit the answer...remember no religion could save a person.
There was a program in Yemen that used the Quran to combat militarism. Scholars and clerics showed the young men that they were being purposely mislead by corrupt interpretations promoted by people who wanted to use them for violent ends. The US government helped support this program. I’m not sure it still exists. I believe it was active during the Bush and Obama eras.
I would love for one of these debates to focus on what Islam is, not what most practitioners want it to be. I think those who spoke against did a fairly good job addressing that, but invariably it got back to the desire of Muslims for their religion vs. it's reality.
I was born and raised in a Muslim country. I don't need a long explanation to prove that Islam is a peaceful religion. My answer is simply ...NO!
Wat country?
Not all Muslim countries are the same, some are very secular. Don't generalize lmao
Deuteronomy 13:15-17
Islam must be banned completely, if people of the Muslim countries are to be free... There is no other way, but it's easier said than done...
haha
Remember that cult members are permitted to lie to non-believers in order to 'defend' the cult. When you know enough of their scripture and sharia you can pick immediately how they are being dishonest.
So much taqiya in this comment section.
You 100% right its mention in their Quran.
To everyone here, dare prove to me that Islam ISN'T a religion of peace using the scriptures, I dare you
@zaidkapadia6824 you serious?
You have opened yourself up to a world of hurt.
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Dare prove it edgelord
There are distinct differences between Ayaan Hirsi-Ali and Zeba Khan. Khan is an American from Ohio. She has lived in a first world country her whole life. She was never forced into anything, including Islam itself.
Hirsi-Ali was born in Somalia, a third world country where being Muslim is not a choice. She was forced to undergo female genital mutilation at the age of five and when she grew up had to FLEE to Europe. Because leaving Islam is an offense punishable by death.
What has Zeba Khan had to flee from? Logic perhaps?
Ali also experiences force marriage too.
India is a thirld world country, millions of muslim there don't practise saudi's Islam, but open Islam, historically living together with Hindus and buddhist. Begotry makes you stereotype this obscenely
@@dxgufficial4586 Read history. Islam has killed millions of people in India when in centuries domination and subjugation of its population.
Diwash Gautam If that's the case that Hindus and Muslims live peacefully side by side, please explain recent events in Kashmir? Why did they have to split India into two countries to form Pakistan? Muslims don't live peacefully besides 'infidels'' unless they have assimilated into that society, which was the point being made in the debate.
Thomas O'Shaughnessy Religion does not cause the suffering, people do. People's misinterpretation or desire to control and manipulate others in the name of religion. You could call communism a religion. A religion without a deity, answerable only to the supreme leaders. More people have been killed, murdered and tortured that live in countries under communist rule. You are conflating religion with politics, as has been the way for millennia. Leaders across the world have used religion for their own political purpose and kept the masses in ignorance. Lack of a full education, a good education, is another valid point made in the debate.
Islam should be judged by the actions of Mohammad, the perfect prophet that they follow as an example. Not by secular versions that people make up Islam to be.
This didn't age well for those who believe the war religion is peaceful.
What I learned from this debate is to never underrestimate the power of denial.
Hey, that's every debate out there for ya
Exactly
I feel like if you have to remind people a religion is a religion of peace it probably isn't a religion of peace
Christians do that all the time as well.... now either u go and hate them as u hate Islam/Muslims.... or u don't understand what they/we are trying to say
@@dragieultra6603 Islam is not a religion of peace an example is when Mohammad was receiving revelations he was told to be peaceful when he was the minority then to do defensive jihad when he was around half the population and when he and his followers were the majority Allah told them to do offensive jihad aka terrorism and or terrorist attacks
@@Jesusisgodamen11 did u understand my question?
Christians say: "Christianity is a religion of peace"
from your logic, Christianity is NOT a religion of peace because people have to remind all the time that it is peaceful
now let this dumb logic sink in.....
@@dragieultra6603 ,
I’ve been a Christian for over 30 years. I have never said “Christianity is a religion of peace”, and I’ve never heard another Christian say it.
@@dragieultra6603 Christ told his followers to be instruments of his peace and love (to forgive and love one another and even their enemies) and to evangelize the Truth (meaning Him) with their words and with their lives. And that’s what Christians are expected to do. I wish all Christians or most of the them would follow the teachings of Christ but unfortunately they don’t. Jesus was a model of what he preached and he expects his followers to live by his teachings.
Anyway, the world has turned into a chaos now. Everything is being politicized, even religions.
I like Douglas Murray presentation.
Why is it up to us to investigate whether Islam is peaceful or not. We judge by their actions.
actions speak louder than words.....you are spot on, sir
And what are the actions of almost all Muslims? Peace. Strange, that the calls for religious war only happened after Western colonization and invasion happened
I applaud Zeba and Majid for trying to be voices of reason in the Islamic world, but Majid needs to understand that unless you accept that there is a problem there can be no solution. Also, if you are afraid to stand up against the radical minority because you could lose your life is a sad reminder that it is not yet a religion of peace.
In all honesty where and who ( governing body) suppressed, hunts, blacklist and in many instances, murder, those with balls enough to stand up to unjust power, and just plain unjust situation such as interwoven, etched and embedded in western society - targeted at indigenous people. Shall we begin to name the innumerable people who were/are victims of telling, uncovering and perpetrating truth? Come now
Who said there is no problem? Which religion or ideology is "without a problem"? The question is (i) how to define it (ii) how to tackle it. The current approach of the West, Charlie Hebdo et al, is unlikely to take us anywhere close.
And given the suppressive, lynching, blacklisting, lying history of Christianity - here and abroad- i.e., Patrice Lumumba; Nelson Mandela [speaking & acting out against the C hristian backed apartheid regime of Ian Smith]; Fidel Castro whom JFK wanted deaf and attempted it on more than one occasion because he ' bucked' the imperialistic USA; Malcolm X - murdered by paid assassins and a host of others killed for telling the truth and standing up to ' power' ( lying, deceitful government) in Christian America. Have you no knowledge of these occurrences, HERE?
They are all radical
@@vaijeet Could you explain what you mean by "radical" in this context?
If Islam was a religion of peace, there would be not be a question about that and this debate would not be necessary
Zeba is so completely brainwashed it hard to even watch this. I only continue because I feel like I need to. And also I love Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray.