As an AFAB enby, I don't identify as or consider myself to be trans. The umbrella model would categorize me as being trans because I am not a cis woman, but that's the only context in which I would identify as trans: if I had to choose to call myself either trans or cis, I am not cis, so I guess I would be trans. Really, though, I don't identify as either trans or cis. Even though I am not a woman, I feel connected to some aspects of womanhood, some experiences of being a woman, and my female body (if not the ways in which people perceive it). But I also realize that some enbies who also identify as trans probably feel these same connections, and that both of us are valid in our identities. I think we can all agree that language is hard.
Language is hard... Because we live in a society 😉 Thanks for sharing your story. Reading that I had the thought that perhaps cis/trans is just another construct binary, like masculine/feminine. And we might be doing ourselves a disservice by trying to identify as only one or the other. Maybe new language will evolve to express the other or in-between places. Edit: typo
This was really helpful for me! I've been exploring non-binary as an identity for myself but have felt confused as I don't feel trans (best words I can find is that I feel like a genderless being having a human experience in a female body) but I don't feel cis either and this gives me some more language and context for exploring that complexity rather than trying to diminish it. Thanks Lu!
Personally, I’m a non-binary trans masc person. Because I feel gender dysphoria so strongly and prefer to dress in traditionally masculine way (as an AFAB person) I personally consider myself transgender. Though I still don’t feel like a full-on man.
As a non-binary transmasculine person myself, I struggled at first to accept myself as trans and to understand that I can be both trans and non-binary without feeling like an impostor. I identify with maleness in a lot of ways and I wish I could be seen as male but at the same time I see myself existing beyond binary understandings of gender.
Non-binary transmasc is a fairly common label (not that that should matter) and if it helped this person understand themselves and communicate about who they are, then who are you to judge? This kind of comment isn't ok on my channel. Also,,, finding a label can be a huge part of accepting yourself!
@@TallulahGuard Thanks for replying to me! Yeah, accepting myself has been a gradual process for me as well. Also, I loved your video and I agree, it's up to how people define themselves.
This is so nuanced and practical!! Thank you!! I always used to explain the umbrella model in response to being asked if non binary people are trans, and emphasised the diversity of trans experiences, but that doesn’t explain how to use language to let non-binary-umbrella and genderqueer people know that they’re included.
I am seeing myself to be under the umbrella model of transness.. however, in recent times, I've been moving in the direction where NB, cis and trans experiences and identities may blur, where we live in a Nonbinary universe to begin with and so people experience queer gender existences that cis, trans and nb labels appear to be more about conservative gazes that box people into gender identities rather than people being able to shape their bodies and aesthetics to allow the person behind the veil to exist.. In my case, I am taking estradiol... But not because I'm female or becoming a female.. but because estradiol actually is giving me mental and emotional breakthroughs that provide me experiences that permit me to experience and verbalize the person Kira behind the veil.. I am not "transgender" in the sense that I want to be any particular gender identity.. my brain and body experience freedom on estradiol.. I'm actually realizing I was born with too much testosterone... I wasn't born male.. I see I was misgendered from birth by being assigned male...
Non-Binary is something Ive had to deal with my entire life. The reason is I was born with a sexual development issue related to germ cell sexual development during gestation. I grew up looking like a pretty boy but I do remembering sitting down on the grass on a hot summer day when I was maybe 4 years old or so. For some reason I passed down on my upper abdomen as hard as I could while thinking to myself that I must be in part a girl too. It felt like I had a baby living in my abdomen. I didn't understand why I felt that way it was simply what I felt and I was really ok with that Idea. I did have some sexual development surgeries as a child and that was a little hard on me. What really was so profound was at age 45 I came down with stage three testicualar - ovarian type cancer. Right under that very same place I was pressing down on as a young child a 17.5 cm mature germ cell teratoma was found. It wasn't just a tumor it had a fetal body of sort, with eyes, skin, bone and even hair. Guess I am both male and female.
Yes this is being intersex! I'm sorry you weren't able to have more knowledge and considerate healthcare earlier in your life. Lots of intersex never get told they are intersex or it simply isn't visible for many years
personally the umbrella model would be the best, it's wide and open than the 2nd definition which is quite exclusionary. I think everyone should see transgender by definition an umbrella term which does include nonbinary ppl. And bc it's an umbrella term, that means anyone under it can identify as it to or they don't have to and go by nonbinary or anything else under the nonbinary umbrella. Be a inclusionist not a exclusionist.
Using the "umbrella model", everyone is transgender. First, I was not assigned a gender at birth. My birth certificate says "male" (sex), not "man" (gender). Second, I have transitioned from "boy" to "man" to "husband" to "father" (with a few others in there).
I'm an AFAB trans genderfluid. I started dressing like a guy when I was 11 but also dressed like a girl. I still to this day dress in both mens and womens clothing. I consider myself trans because i did not stay a cis woman i am genderfluid [out since 2017.] Thank you for summing things up. I needed to explain to my (trans man) fiance that I am also trans as well. I just don't get surgery and take medicine to transition. It was hard to explain to him that I am trans as well. So thank you for your video it helped a lot.
101 in binary is 5 in decimal. I recommend to just add more (binary) digits to the "gender" field until everyone can pick the flavor of preference, and this way gender can be kept nice and (multi-digit) binary.
Thank you for educating me more on the experiences of nb and trans people. I always love your videos, I learn so much about myself and others. Also, you are ROCKING that cut and color! Looks great on you.
@@TallulahGuard You're welcome 😊 Your videos helped me so much when I was discovering my own identity. 🤗 I bet the hair still looks great at a longer length.
Thank you for this video! I am nonbinary and intersex. I don't like identifying as trans because I believe I'm nonbinary because I'm intersex. I'm definitly not cis. But I'm not trans.
Another nonbinary intersex person? I've never come across another person in my corner of the LGBTQIA+ spectrum before - I'm so glad I saw this comment. If you're comfortable sharing, what's your personal perspective on your pronouns? I use she/her pronouns because I've been treated like I'm composed of two different halves for so long: too masc to be femme, too femme to be masc. I see myself as a unified whole, so I stay away from they/them. I'm so curious about other intersex people's feelings on the subject. I also struggle with the concept of being cis, because I'm not sure where I stand as someone who is AFAB intersex and identifies as femme-leaning androgynous. I don't think language has evolved far enough to accomodate us. Love to you, sibling. 💜💜💜 (sorry to just unload - I'm both neurodivergent and excitable)
@@TallulahGuard yeah! Idk if I'd ever actually transition lol who knows but for now I'm fine with just being trans for that reason at least it makes sense lol
Nonbinary people do not ascribe to a binary of gender, however, transgender people transition from one gender on the binary to the other hence the word "transgender" it is completely different things. And I know a lot of nonbinary people but I would never consider them transgender as we live and go through completely different experiences in life. Call me a gatekeeper or whatever you want but it is not the same and that is the consensus of several other transgender people, including myself that I know. You all are your own community.
Hey! So the word transgender was actually created mostly by non-binary/genderqueer folks to describe an experience of gender that moved beyond the binary and wasn't necessarily tied to wanting to physically transition. It was created to represent people who didn't connect with 'transsexuality', as was the usual word. Transgender means that you transition (physically, socially, or both) from the gender you were assigned, to another gender or lack thereof. Nowhere in the history or definition of the word does it suggest that this transition must be binary. It means to 'move across gender'. Many trans people are binary transgender. Many aren't. Not all non-binary people connect with the word. Some don't resonate with the idea of transitioning - they just are themselves, they've not 'transitioned'. But many non-binary people do transition - many physically, many socially. This might look different to a binary transition in some ways, but does that mean we can withhold and word and a community from those people? There is always diversity within labels and communities. Saying that some people don't get to use a word because their experience 'isn't the same', happens all the time. It's what underpins so much of the transphobia that binary trans people face: 'do what you want but you'll never be a woman/man like cis women/men are'. Non-binary people do have our own communities, but the idea of dividing non-binary people as separate from trans people is ahistorical. I really don't believe it is harmful or inaccurate to allow non-binary people to use the word transgender if they connect with it. Language is imperfect and limited - we all do our best to describe our experience of being a person with the words we have.
Gender binary | A system in which gender is constructed into two strict categories of male or female. Gender identity is expected to align with the sex assigned at birth and gender expressions and roles fit traditional expectations. Femininity/Masculinity: Ideological constructions whose human manifestations (women and men, girls and boys) are recreated in each generation according to the intermeshing requirements of social, cultural, economic, and biological necessities. People rely on cultural constructions of these to indicate their membership in their sex/gender category. Gender identity One's innermost concept of self as male, female, a blend of both or neither - how individuals perceive themselves and what they call themselves. One's gender identity can be the same as or different from their sex/gender assigned at birth. Gender roles The interests, behaviors, and mannerisms that a society or culture assigns to a particular gender or to the things expected of a person based on their assigned, perceived, or actual gender. Gender roles change over time and across cultures. Gender nonconforming This term is used to describe people with a gender expression or presentation that’s different from cultural or social stereotypes associated with the person’s perceived or assigned gender or sex. It doesn’t convey any information about the way someone experiences gender internally. More accurately, gender nonconforming is a term used to describe physical traits in relation to socially and culturally defined gender categories. People of any gender - cis, trans, or nonbinary - can be gender nonconforming. Gender expression | External appearance of one's gender identity, usually expressed through behavior, clothing, body characteristics or voice, and which may or may not conform to socially defined behaviors and characteristics typically associated with being either masculine or feminine. Gender transition The process by which some people strive to more closely align their internal knowledge of gender with its outward appearance. Some people socially transition, whereby they might begin dressing, using names and pronouns and/or be socially recognized as another gender. Others undergo physical transitions in which they modify their bodies through medical interventions. Social dysphoria A specific type of gender dysphoria that manifests as distress and discomfort that results from the way society or other people perceive, label, refer to, or interact with someone’s gender or body. Being Transgender is when someone's gender identity has an incongruence with or doesn't sit comfortably with their sex/gender assigned at birth. Being Nonbinary is having a gender identity that has an incongruence with or doesn't sit comfortably with the binary gender system. There are Nonbinary people who receive HRT and gender affirmating surgery. Nonbinary people are trans enough.
Wow! This video is very interesting! I am a teen Enby and i do think i am Trans to enby :) also dont let these haters get to u!! They just boosting the video haha!
nice video 😇 i'm enby myself, and trans, because... they both feel applicable to me in my measure! the contrast between the ethos of the "movement", being radically one's own self and not compromising by pouring one's self into one of the Traditional Societal Moulds provided, is like, an intrinsically counterintuitive thing to the ubiquitous, very literal, uncompromising beauracracy of the western world 😆 you know what i mean? i def want that X gender marker though uncle sam does NOT need to know more about what i have going on in my life LOL
hmmmm.... well... I identify as a gender other than my birth sex, so I am trans... but I am agender, I have no gender, my gender is -?- , if i were trans I would have needed to change my gender from something to something else, correct? but I have deleted my gender and never chosen a new one, so where is the transition? am I trans? to claim the label "trans" feels very like having a gender to me? philosophers please answer because I don't know... (great video BTW)
I totally get this and I've spoken to people irl about this exact thing haha. Sometimes realising you're agender or non-binary can feel more like a 'getting rid of' or deleting like you said, than a move from one thing to another. For me, I have socially transitioned (pronouns, gendered language, coming out, exploring how I express my gender). And I do see some sort of 'before and after'. But it's also not that clear cut - I think many trans people feel that way. Ultimately you can claim it or not claim it - language is strange sometimes and we just do the best we can!
@@TallulahGuard thanks for the reply! and it's cool you know what I mean, I never really "came out", I just carried on being exactly how I am but felt happy that the modern world has a name for it so I can explain it to people more easily, and it kinda makes me feel better about it knowing that I'm not the only person who feels this way, plus if I said I was trans my parents/family would totally freak LOL (this kinda makes me wanna do it though)
I agree with everything you said, especially invalidating transmedicalism (a new word I just learned) as exclusionary, gatekeeping (eww, ugh), & detrimental both to trans persons individually & to the trans community at large.
i recently learned that a lot of the medical interpretation of transness was developed off of one person's experience (Karl Heinrich Ulrichs). so no wonder it's so limited. i didn't know until i researched it for my undergrad paper on transness in music
@@TallulahGuard thanks!! it is super interesting, I never knew about Ulrichs until I was writing this paper. But he is claimed as the first person to come out in the Western world but was somehow also used to build the standards in the DSM on transness. It makes me wonder who was interpreting Ulrich's experience and how the DSM was written in the first place
This is tricky. I'm NB/Genderqueer and AFAB.. though I can be femme sometimes and I don't want to transition to be a "man", I do want to medically transition and I really want to start taking T. I guess that would make me Trans in the strictest sense of the word.
"Binary" and "Non-Binary" have reference to the sex spectrum. Gender has nothing to do with the sex spectrum as "it is all in one's head", totally independent of the person's sex.
The words binary and non-binary can be used in reference to gender and/or sex, since we categorise both according to a binary system of male/female and man/woman
I'm genderfluid/non-binary and I consider myself trans. Maybe it's just because I like the flag colors more. Like I dress up or do a lil drag thing and it makes me feel gender euphoria.
No Doll, sorry baby girl. Nonbinary and trans isn’t the same. One is feeling like you’re the opposite sex that you’re born as everyday all day since you can remember & the other is feeling like you’re both male or female depending how you feel on any given day or when it’s convenient to do so. I don’t know how you guys came to this conclusion of delusion, but because of this nonsense all of the hard work that my trans brothers and sisters did for decades is being erased and tainted. You guys come along and decide y’all fall under the trans umbrella without walking our walk or living the lifestyle. It’s not right, they both have their own uniqueness and are beautiful. But stop this, there’s a reason why there are so many detransitioners today. A lot of you are confused and are doing extreme irreversible damage to your bodies. The worst part is that y’all are influencing young minds who are extremely vulnerable and look at social media all day everyday, they’re the ones who will suffer and pay the most. STOP THIS PROPAGANDA. It’s extremely dangerous.
Hey. What you are saying about non-binary people is exactly what some gay people said about binary trans people when they became more visible. That they're delusional, that they're undoing all the progress made towards LGB acceptance, that they're tainting the image of the rest of the community, that they are promoting dangerous ideas. Being non-binary isn't new. 'Genderqueer' was first used in the 1990s, and many many trans people are also non-binary or genderqueer. None of us are erasing or denying the endless contributions of trans people to LGBTQ+ rights. Why would we? Also, non-binary people don't just feel 'male or female' day to day. Many of us don't feel connected to either. Some non-binary people access hormones and/or surgery and it's a great path for them. Some people feel comfortable without. Considering how concerned you say you are about the wellbeing of young people, maybe don't leave patronising, unkind (not to mention misinformed) comments.
Hey. What you are saying about non-binary people is exactly what some gay people said about binary trans people when they became more visible. That they're delusional, that they're undoing all the progress made towards LGB acceptance, that they're tainting the image of the rest of the community, that they are promoting dangerous ideas. Being non-binary isn't new. 'Genderqueer' was first used in the 1990s, and many many trans people are also non-binary or genderqueer. None of us are erasing or denying the endless contributions of trans people to LGBTQ+ rights. Why would we? Also, non-binary people don't just feel 'male or female' day to day. Many of us don't feel connected to either. Some non-binary people access hormones and/or surgery and it's a great path for them. Some people feel comfortable without. Considering how concerned you say you are about the wellbeing of young people, maybe don't leave patronising, unkind (not to mention misinformed) comments.
OMG THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENT. I thought I was the only one who understood outside of my other transgender friends the actuality of this topic. @LuMarPhoto spot on 100%
@@TallulahGuard nope, sorry not sorry. Nonbinary and being trans isn’t the same at all. If you actually read my comment you’d know where I’m coming from. & yes, there’s lots of detransitioners from your generation who are confused and now have to live with the consequences of doing something that wasn’t for them. That’s all I have to say. & yes, you guys are tainting our legacy. Just because you cut your hair short and color it pink, red or blue and wear doc martens doesn’t make you trans. Being trans is much more than that. Beyond than just a lifestyle. Its being all day every day the opposite gender that we were born as… means waking up and going to sleep as. Period!.
Transgender and non-binary are essentially identitary social terms... Terms which are vague and subjective, somehow also misleading and reductive... It would be preferable to avoid using them since they end up with leading towards paradoxical and confusing conclusions... A difference between the two ways of experiencing oneself nevertheless exist: for example, gender disphoria of strictly "trans" people is binary and is supposed to be treated medically whereas "non binary" people (besides their inclusion in the so called "transgender umbrella") seem not to require any such treatment.. Trans people need to be integrated within the opposite gender category while non binary need to distinguish themselves as a new ungendered category.. They are ultimately two different things which deserve being separated and not being mixed together (beyond any effort to assimilate them in one single category)..
Hey! Many non-binary people want, need and do access medical transition - lots of non-binary people go on hormones, get surgery etc. Non-binary often have gender dysphoria. Likewise, not all binary trans people want to 'fully' medically transition. It's not a clear division of binary=medical and non-binary=non-medical. There are many non-binary people who also describe themselves as trans: because they are not the gender they were assigned and/or because they are transitioning to the gender they are. Historically, the word transgender was developed by genderqueer, gender-conforming individuals (who might today identify as non-binary) as an alternative to the identity of transsexual, which at that stage was largely binary and implied medical transition. So, transgender began its life as a 'beyond the binary' term, even as today it has evolved to be more closely tied to binary transness. Language is innately limited, and limiting, you're right. There are paradoxes and contradictions. But I believe that identity labels are descriptive rather than prescriptive: they are tools to describe our individual and collective experiences, not merely boxes to put people in.
@@TallulahGuard I might agree with you, but I guess non binary people on hormone therapy necessarily want to acquire gender traits commonly associated with one or the other sex.. it is very likely a mere social and cultural convention but this is no argument to create a new one... At the end It seems to me a dispersed discussion on terms... I personally doubt it is worth the effort to fight a battle for getting an acknowledgment for a gender identity that has no particular trait of its own, or that will be quite difficult for most people to learn how to perceive that since it is being experienced merely subjectively... Everybody requires respect, of course, but this doesn't meanto me expecting everybody understands or recognizes something that lives only in our private inner space...
No, I'm sorry but you are making a straw man argument. That is not the only way to define transgender. You could have a definition that just isn't as inclusive as the first "umbrella" model. Trans is someone who identifies as the other binary from what they were assigned at birth. You don't have to include anything about medically transitioning. You are setting up a false argument in order to argue against it. For people who identify as trans who actually transition being seen as their new binary gender is extremely important to them. And their experience is absolutely nothing like being non-binary. And they not only transition their gender they also transition their sexuality. This is something that simply doesn't happen to non binary people. To be honest I think it would be better if we returned to using the term transsexual for people who identify as the other binary gender... because they see themselves in a body with the wrong sex. Then non-binary people could do what ever they like with transgender as a word.
The definition of transgender has shifted a lot over time - it used to mean genderqueer/beyond the binary essentially! But as transsexual became a less popular term, now lots of people use it. I have never known a binary trans person in my life to gatekeep the word trans - it's ok that it means different things to different people. It just means 'across from' your gender assigned at birth, according to the basic structure of the word anyway :)
I really do appreciate the fact that you are a nice person trying to break things down for explanation. There are many non-binary people who do in fact try to make others just believe in what they are saying, OR ELSE... not a friendly approach. I would like to just share some thoughts, based on those of TH-camr Blaire White, famous trans woman known for her commentaries, I am sure you know about her. You said you do not really agree with trans medicalism, yet this is a term debunked by Blaire White. She says that the whole reason for a person transitioning is in fact the suffering from the disorder that is gender dysphoria. There would have been no reason for transition had it not been for the disorder. Having the disorder is not a choice, but transitioning in any way is the choice people suffering from it take in order to alleviate the dysphoria. Thus people are not born trans but do have a mental condition that can many times be more bearable by means of transitioning. Mind you, this is not labeling people as sick, it is just pointing out the need to acknowledge the presence of a mental illness when there is one, just the same as depression, anxiety, eating disorders, and the like. There is nothing transphobic in raising awareness of mental health. We are after all supposed to be, more than ever, aware of mental health nowadays. I do not want to rant anymore but she does go into these things without saying how complicated things are; it s not a good look for your introduction to your arguments to be 'it's complicated'.
That's an interesting point about transitioning and gender dysphoria. Though I disagree that saying "it's complicated" is the wrong approach. I think it's important for us to acknowledge the individual differences in identity and experience and to be open to learning more, esp on a topic as personal and complex as this. It allows space to keep an open mind and listen to different voices 😊
Hi! Blaire White and Kalvin Garrah (who you may have seen too) are transmeds who have routinely ridiculed and bullied non-binary people, saying we aren't real and that we make a mockery of trans people. This is insulting and untrue. Because of this, I don't tend to watch their videos. But, I will say that the view of dysphoria as a mental disorder is rejected by many trans people, including binary trans people. Yes, many trans people do need medical interventions to be happy and comfortable. That should be supported, and the pain of dysphoria for many people shouldn't be downplayed. But the issue is when those without severe dysphoria are told we are lying about being trans or non-binary. Many transmeds/those who support that view would say that I am pretending, because I don't intend to go on hormones for example. The reason I make a point of highlighting the complexity of these topics is because if you don't, you end up making generalisations that exclude people. Some trans and/or non-binary people do need/want to physically transition. Some don't. Some only want a certain amount of intervention. Trans medicalists tend to discount anyone who does not fit the text book definition of dysphoria - a diagnosis which was created by cis doctors and is now recognised by many medical professionals to be outdated and unhelpful.
@@TallulahGuard I think the mix up comes from people referring to societal gender roles and gender. People say gender is a social construct, but that is wrong. Gender roles are a social construct but not gender. Gender is in the brain and there are whole fields of scientific research dedicated to it. So i think when it comes to nb people they are saying they are trans based on social gender roles but many people who are binary trans are trans because of the biological gender in the brain. There are professors that give entire lectures on it. I think this is a hard conversation because people shut down the biological gender science being worked on right now. Saying gender is a social construct is easy to poke holes through, but saying gender roles is a social construct is entirely right. Here are videos of scientists explaining the biology of gender and how gender dysphoria is a product of a brain body mix up, not social constructs. th-cam.com/video/A3C4ZJ7HyuE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/fpGqFUStcxc/w-d-xo.html
@@tobeme1987 I get what you’re saying, and I agree that gender is (at least partially) biological. And it’s social roles that’s the construct. However that doesn’t discredit nonbinary people, as many do experience dysphoria over their body, or voice. And dysphoria isn’t the only reason to transition, it could also be from euphoria. So it doesn’t have to be “I’m depressed over my body, that’s why it needs to change” it could also be “I don’t hate my body, but I’d rather it be closer to, or be that of the other sex, it makes me feel good!” Blaire experienced a lot of suffering around her body and just doesn’t understand that that’s not the only reason to transition, and that some nonbinary people actually feel very similar to her.
@@Tw1nkerbelle Gender euphoria is a bit of a phucked up way to attach or make an equivalence to the horror that is dysphoria. I experienced it...and people comparing the 2 pisses me off to no end. I transitioned because it was that or die. Please don't conflate the 2.
If by 'real trans people' you mean binary trans people, I have to disagree with your phrasing. There are MANY non-binary people who are transgender (ie are NOT their assigned gender) and choose to use the trans label. Binary and non-binary trans people are equally entitled to the label, and the diversity of trans identities does nothing to hurt anyone. There have always been trans people who fall outside or beyond the binary, it's just that the words we now have are newer. Check out Kate Bornstein - she medically transitioned around 1986 to live as a woman. She now identifies as non-binary, and has written extensively about her life as a non-binary trans person.
@@TallulahGuard Your argument probably isn't as strong as you think it is if you have to use all-caps and quotation marks to manipulate people into buying into linguistic imperialism.
I was using quotations marks to quote your comment - can you explain what part of this is manipulative? The entire premise of the video is acceptance and inclusion. There will always be debates about definitions, and in this video I put forward some definitions I (and many others) find useful. Trans and non-binary people do not, as a group, hold systematic power. Imperialism does not even begin to apply. Literally just one person on the internet my dude :')
I think it's important that some people stop pretending to have less privilege than they actually do. They, in this case, referring to more than one person.
No-one needs to face a particular level of oppression to qualify as trans. Within the binary trans community, trans women face on average far more violence than trans men. Are trans men less trans? No. Many non-binary people will never and can never 'pass', meaning lifelong misgendering, being legally invisible, being misunderstood by doctors etc. Oppression Olympics does nothing but divide people who should be on the same side. We can all recognise our own privilege without making pain and oppression the entry criteria for 'real' transness. The goal is for no trans or non-binary people to suffer because of who they are.
If you lived alone in a cave and never met another human being, would you have a gender? Or would you just be a person? None of us are born knowing what gender is. Whether we should wear skirts or trousers, be sensitive or competitive, like pink or blue, be a little boy or a little girl. We do not know these things until we are told them.
Also, tell that to the millions of transgender people all over the world living as their gender and getting on with their lives (whether or not you comment on my video calling that impossible).
Something i wondered before and even now after watching your great video is how can i not seem like someone with a transmedical mindset when i say „trans and non-binary people“?
As was your video thanks I'm a trans woman myself it helps me understand who I am by understanding other lifestyles. I can relate to things but say hey yea that's not me and it feels great that people are communicating more. Peace love and hairspray 💙🤍💖
@@TallulahGuardThat’s not true. Cis means identifying as the ‘sex’ and gender you were assigned at birth. If you don’t identify as a man/woman regardless of what’s in your pants, that’s non-binary. If you want to change your body, that’s transgender.
This is no different than a religion. "It is because I feel it is." It's super natural and doesn't adhere to reason. A person can believe in any religious beliefs that makes them feel good, yet they must acknowledge that it’s not based in reality, but instead on faith and dogma.
It's a bit different. Gender is an aspect of human identity that is accepted by the world health organisation. But it's an interesting point - both are protected characteristics. It's illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of religion or gender (including being trans). No, I cannot prove my gender to you, just as a religious person couldn't prove to me that their god is real. But if you refuse to accept my humanity and my right to exist freely, then that's a you problem :)
I’m 9 months late to this party because I just discovered your TH-cam channel and I just wanted to say as a nonbinary person who gets extremely irritated when people automatically assume I’m trans when I’m not and I do not identify with being trans, I appreciated this video. I wish you would’ve brought up the Nonbinary umbrella and that GenderFlux, gender-fluid, and genderqueer are under the nonbinary umbrella and not under the trans umbrella. Non-binary sitting under the trans umbrella feels like it was born out of conflation of the two identities and people literally just not knowing what exactly they even are. I’m non-binary. I’m not trans. I should not have to keep telling people that I’m not trans.
There's a whole caveat of neo-language for the average citizen to implement into their daily language, do you really expect everyone you meet to understand the differences between non-binary and trans?
Hey! Very late reply, but I agree that you should have agency over what labels are applied to you. I didn't make it clear enough in the video, but there are obviously many identities under the non-binary umbrella!
Hey - I agree that we don't need everyone to be versed in all the language relating to trans and non-binary identities. But remember - people used to be totally confused by what it means to be gay, or a lesbian, or bisexual. Language is always new at first - and I think that part of being a compassionate person is trying to take on new language when it emerges.
As a TRANSEXUAL, I have many questions regarding your claims because I, personally, would love to understand this concept. I would like to start off by talking about gender dysphoria, which is a primary trait in TRANSEXUAL people. If the goal is to secure what you already have but only change the outward appearance, then why not simply classify as a TRANSVESTITE? It is clear some NONBINARY people choose to go on hormones, but realize it’s not what they are looking for or fit within the scope of their identity. If that is the case, how is that still identifiable as TRANSGENDER? Considering that there are more details specifically linked to TRANSEXUALISM that makes a linear diagnosis to gender dysphoria? Watching the Jubilee episode with CONSERVATIVE TRANSGENDER people and LIBERAL TRANSGENDER people, the nonbinary individual became very hostile because the question of “what is your dysphoria?” triggered them. It seems to be a fairly simple question and seemed very engaging to level with the conversation. Considering that NONBINARY is a TRANSGENDER identity, then talking about what makes you dysphoric in the first place is one of the key components to building bridges, especially if someone is actually curious. Also, DRAG QUEENS and DRAG QUEENS express themselves by cross dressing. It is a form of their expression as well, and some even go as far as living a lot of their life in drag but still continue to live as their biological sex. If this expression is an artform of their expression of their freedom in their gender, why not just be a TRANSVESTITE? (I mean that as contemporary as I can, meaning that there are sometimes no easy way to ask questions) Lastly, SELF-ID has become more prominent in society and has linked to many cases of abuse in the system. For example, the massacre in Nashville, Tennessee gave light to a lot of people talking about the MISGENDERING rather than the act in which this person did. I realize what the community was trying to achieve, but was that truly the most important aspect of the situation? Considering that many individuals were speaking on MISGENDERING solely. Truly I would just like to find some kind of understanding between the distinctions between what it means to be TRANSEXUAL and NONBINARY. Thank you.
I honestly felt we could have gone without the caps lock on. Either way. Gender is for a big part based in the social interaction between humans. Being non binary your dysphoria could place itself in this category. Being perceived and treated as a women or a men in a world that relies heavily on those social constructions can be very alienating. Moreover, the gender dysphoria cam also be physical. For example, feeling like the boobs that are on your body are not yours. Like being in a constricting bodysuit that forces you to live in this binary you are born with. Not seeing the you you are feeling to be in the mirror. The fact that the goal is not to make the body the opposite gender doesn't mean that the gender that the body presents fits and that the dysphoria is invalid. Take care🙏
Your illustration of someone "non-binary" was someone whose gender cannot be explained as male or female. You go on to say that people who identify as non-binary conceptualize their gender in different ways. So: when we are discussing being "non-binary," are we discussing something objectively real? or are we discussing someone's subjective impression of something objectively real? or are we simply discussing feelings? You further refer to this experience in the context of someone's "experience" of gender; so, I'm guessing you're referring generally to someone's subjective impression of something objectively real -- though your repeated reference, e.g., to how someone "experiences the world," suggests you may be moving back and forth between the merely subjective camp and the subjective-but-representative-of-reality camp. This is OK, so long as you understand what you're doing; my experience with people who do this -- and not only in the transgender context -- is that they frequently aren't aware they are slipping from one point-of-view to the other, and back again. This is a problem I've observed among members of the transgender community: failure to distinguish between reality (e.g. gender) and impressions of reality (e.g. gender identity). When someone says they are transgender, are they making a statement about reality? or are they making a statement about how they feel merely? I can understand someone feeling that neither "male" nor "female" fully or accurately describes them; but, while the feeling itself is legitimate as a feeling, it is still only a subjective impression. It may or may not correspond to the way things really are. Obviously, people have a right to see themselves in the way that works best for them. The problem comes when people try to translate internal impressions into civil rights, law and public policy. A basis for these things must be objectively demonstrable; and the brutal truth is that the very notion of "gender" as something potentially divergent from sex is merely a belief. There are even some transgender people who do not believe that being non-binary (as opposed to feeling non-binary) is real. Ironically, many of these would fall into the "umbrella" camp, since not everyone is able (or even wants) to completely transition medically, while still identifying as a gender other than that assigned to them at birth -- but with the proviso that only the two genders are possible. :)
Subjectivity doesn’t render something as ‘not real’ or unworthy of being recognised in law and public policy. You say that gender and sex are indistinguishable but this by definition is false. It’s position as something determined by identity as opposed to physical characteristics doesn’t negate its importance. Using your logic, the idea of money as something that holds a certain value and can be traded for objects/services of a similar value is false and should also not be recognised by law or public policy as the idea of paper or coins holding value is ‘just an idea’, regardless of how many people have that idea and how long it has been around
Your argument only really functions under the assumption that systems and ideas are only ‘real’ and worthy of note and recognition if they are tangible and can be physically identified. But this is very obviously false. Social constructs are real and important and hold up the entire world, arguing that their lack of physicality renders them invalid and not worthy of inclusion in policy ( which is also just ‘a subjective idea ) is kinda dumb
@@swaibafaisal8916 You misunderstand my point. If you believe in objective reality -- and people act as if they do, so what they say isn't really important -- then all experience is tied to objective reality. The real question is what that experience signifies. It all comes down to personal belief; and belief can be accurate or not. As I think I indicated, these things become problematic when they are used as a basis for law or public policy. For a belief to be used as such a basis, there must be broad agreement with it. I'm not sure where the critical mass lies; but there is certainly broad disagreement whether there exists a quality called "gender" such that it is potentially divergent from sex. As for sex itself, as a physical phenomenon, there is broad agreement; so, the issue does not arise. Gender is a different matter. The objective evidence is thin. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, of course. But it does mean that it is sufficiently debated to be unsuitable as a basis for law or policy. Beliefs can also be problematic when they do not correspond meaningfully to objective reality, which non-functionality or a-functionality tends to demonstrate. Take Walt Heyer for example. He believed identifying as transgender and transitioning would benefit him, until some years later he realized it did not. His previous belief about himself was, at least relatively, less functional than the belief he holds now. Human beings are always trying to figure out their relationship with the world. It isn't important that they be right, so much as that they be honest with themselves, that they act with integrity. The best statement I know of along these lines by a transgender person is, essentially, "When it comes right down to it, I can't prove what I am; but this frame works better than the alternative. If something else comes along at some future time that works better, I hope I have the good sense to go with that, instead." I think your example of money is an unfortunate choice; but that's a side issue.
@@swaibafaisal8916 Re: my argument: not at all. It's not a question of tangibility. For example, love is not tangible, but most people would say it is not only real but essential. I'm surprised at this comment. You really missed my point. It's not that intangibles aren't real; it's that they cannot, by their nature, be demonstrated to be real. That doesn't mean they aren't real. It just means that: (a) we need to be flexible about them, and (b) we cannot impose them on others. They are, after all, beliefs. Incidentally, I personally do believe gender is real. I just can't prove it. It's a belief. :)
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As an AFAB enby, I don't identify as or consider myself to be trans. The umbrella model would categorize me as being trans because I am not a cis woman, but that's the only context in which I would identify as trans: if I had to choose to call myself either trans or cis, I am not cis, so I guess I would be trans. Really, though, I don't identify as either trans or cis. Even though I am not a woman, I feel connected to some aspects of womanhood, some experiences of being a woman, and my female body (if not the ways in which people perceive it). But I also realize that some enbies who also identify as trans probably feel these same connections, and that both of us are valid in our identities. I think we can all agree that language is hard.
thank you for your insights!
Language is hard
Language IS hard. Thank you for watching and commenting 🥰
Language is hard... Because we live in a society 😉 Thanks for sharing your story. Reading that I had the thought that perhaps cis/trans is just another construct binary, like masculine/feminine. And we might be doing ourselves a disservice by trying to identify as only one or the other. Maybe new language will evolve to express the other or in-between places.
Edit: typo
Those aren’t real things
This was really helpful for me! I've been exploring non-binary as an identity for myself but have felt confused as I don't feel trans (best words I can find is that I feel like a genderless being having a human experience in a female body) but I don't feel cis either and this gives me some more language and context for exploring that complexity rather than trying to diminish it. Thanks Lu!
I'm so glad!! Thank you for being here
please don't use youtube for information like this. arguments just boil down to "how can I spin this word to mean what I want it to mean"
Personally, I’m a non-binary trans masc person. Because I feel gender dysphoria so strongly and prefer to dress in traditionally masculine way (as an AFAB person) I personally consider myself transgender. Though I still don’t feel like a full-on man.
Language is so sticky when it comes to complex societal and psychological concepts, but I think you've got a really good handle on things here :)
Sticky is a good word for it haha. Thanks for watching and I'm glad you liked it!!
@@TallulahGuard non binary and trans is an ideology
As a non-binary transmasculine person myself, I struggled at first to accept myself as trans and to understand that I can be both trans and non-binary without feeling like an impostor. I identify with maleness in a lot of ways and I wish I could be seen as male but at the same time I see myself existing beyond binary understandings of gender.
So instead of accepting yourself you came up with some weird ass label?
Non-binary transmasc is a fairly common label (not that that should matter) and if it helped this person understand themselves and communicate about who they are, then who are you to judge? This kind of comment isn't ok on my channel. Also,,, finding a label can be a huge part of accepting yourself!
I relate to the imposter syndrome so HARD!! Esp in the early days. Thank you for watching :)))
@@TallulahGuard Thanks for replying to me! Yeah, accepting myself has been a gradual process for me as well. Also, I loved your video and I agree, it's up to how people define themselves.
heyy, im also transmasc non binary and i relate to this a lot lol
This is so nuanced and practical!! Thank you!! I always used to explain the umbrella model in response to being asked if non binary people are trans, and emphasised the diversity of trans experiences, but that doesn’t explain how to use language to let non-binary-umbrella and genderqueer people know that they’re included.
Thank you!! The language can be so tricky I agree.
I am seeing myself to be under the umbrella model of transness.. however, in recent times, I've been moving in the direction where NB, cis and trans experiences and identities may blur, where we live in a Nonbinary universe to begin with and so people experience queer gender existences that cis, trans and nb labels appear to be more about conservative gazes that box people into gender identities rather than people being able to shape their bodies and aesthetics to allow the person behind the veil to exist..
In my case, I am taking estradiol... But not because I'm female or becoming a female.. but because estradiol actually is giving me mental and emotional breakthroughs that provide me experiences that permit me to experience and verbalize the person Kira behind the veil.. I am not "transgender" in the sense that I want to be any particular gender identity.. my brain and body experience freedom on estradiol.. I'm actually realizing I was born with too much testosterone... I wasn't born male.. I see I was misgendered from birth by being assigned male...
Non-Binary is something Ive had to deal with my entire life. The reason is I was born with a sexual development issue related to germ cell sexual development during gestation. I grew up looking like a pretty boy but I do remembering sitting down on the grass on a hot summer day when I was maybe 4 years old or so. For some reason I passed down on my upper abdomen as hard as I could while thinking to myself that I must be in part a girl too. It felt like I had a baby living in my abdomen. I didn't understand why I felt that way it was simply what I felt and I was really ok with that Idea. I did have some sexual development surgeries as a child and that was a little hard on me. What really was so profound was at age 45 I came down with stage three testicualar - ovarian type cancer. Right under that very same place I was pressing down on as a young child a 17.5 cm mature germ cell teratoma was found. It wasn't just a tumor it had a fetal body of sort, with eyes, skin, bone and even hair. Guess I am both male and female.
Yes this is being intersex! I'm sorry you weren't able to have more knowledge and considerate healthcare earlier in your life. Lots of intersex never get told they are intersex or it simply isn't visible for many years
personally the umbrella model would be the best, it's wide and open than the 2nd definition which is quite exclusionary. I think everyone should see transgender by definition an umbrella term which does include nonbinary ppl. And bc it's an umbrella term, that means anyone under it can identify as it to or they don't have to and go by nonbinary or anything else under the nonbinary umbrella.
Be a inclusionist not a exclusionist.
I agree! Thank for watching :)
Using the "umbrella model", everyone is transgender. First, I was not assigned a gender at birth. My birth certificate says "male" (sex), not "man" (gender). Second, I have transitioned from "boy" to "man" to "husband" to "father" (with a few others in there).
I'm an AFAB trans genderfluid. I started dressing like a guy when I was 11 but also dressed like a girl. I still to this day dress in both mens and womens clothing. I consider myself trans because i did not stay a cis woman i am genderfluid [out since 2017.] Thank you for summing things up. I needed to explain to my (trans man) fiance that I am also trans as well. I just don't get surgery and take medicine to transition. It was hard to explain to him that I am trans as well. So thank you for your video it helped a lot.
101 in binary is 5 in decimal. I recommend to just add more (binary) digits to the "gender" field until everyone can pick the flavor of preference, and this way gender can be kept nice and (multi-digit) binary.
Thank you for educating me more on the experiences of nb and trans people. I always love your videos, I learn so much about myself and others. Also, you are ROCKING that cut and color! Looks great on you.
I'm so glad, this comment makes me so happy! And thanks! It's a bit longer now than when I filmed but this was defo a fun look
@@TallulahGuard You're welcome 😊 Your videos helped me so much when I was discovering my own identity. 🤗 I bet the hair still looks great at a longer length.
I'm so glad!!! 🥰🥰🥰
I am a woman and I am thoroughly confused by it all.
Hey! It's ok to be confused - you don't need to understand exactly how trans and non-binary people feel in order to respect us and learn the basics :)
Nice to see you again xx
Thank you!!! Thanks for commenting :)))
Thank you for this video!
I am nonbinary and intersex. I don't like identifying as trans because I believe I'm nonbinary because I'm intersex. I'm definitly not cis. But I'm not trans.
Ah thank you for watching!!!
Another nonbinary intersex person?
I've never come across another person in my corner of the LGBTQIA+ spectrum before - I'm so glad I saw this comment.
If you're comfortable sharing, what's your personal perspective on your pronouns? I use she/her pronouns because I've been treated like I'm composed of two different halves for so long: too masc to be femme, too femme to be masc. I see myself as a unified whole, so I stay away from they/them. I'm so curious about other intersex people's feelings on the subject.
I also struggle with the concept of being cis, because I'm not sure where I stand as someone who is AFAB intersex and identifies as femme-leaning androgynous.
I don't think language has evolved far enough to accomodate us.
Love to you, sibling. 💜💜💜
(sorry to just unload - I'm both neurodivergent and excitable)
I'm non binary but I also secretly identify as trans because i don't identify with my gender at birth.
Many non-binary are also trans! That makes total sense
@@TallulahGuard yeah! Idk if I'd ever actually transition lol who knows but for now I'm fine with just being trans for that reason at least it makes sense lol
Same, I'm non binary and trans in a number and in the same time.❤💛🤍💜🖤🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
I’m non-binary but i wanna remove my Breast and have a somewhat more masculine body, I’m here because I’m confused about it. 😅
Well don't expect this to make you less confused
@@user-po3km8in2h it did make me less confused though.
Nonbinary people do not ascribe to a binary of gender, however, transgender people transition from one gender on the binary to the other hence the word "transgender" it is completely different things. And I know a lot of nonbinary people but I would never consider them transgender as we live and go through completely different experiences in life. Call me a gatekeeper or whatever you want but it is not the same and that is the consensus of several other transgender people, including myself that I know. You all are your own community.
Hey! So the word transgender was actually created mostly by non-binary/genderqueer folks to describe an experience of gender that moved beyond the binary and wasn't necessarily tied to wanting to physically transition. It was created to represent people who didn't connect with 'transsexuality', as was the usual word.
Transgender means that you transition (physically, socially, or both) from the gender you were assigned, to another gender or lack thereof. Nowhere in the history or definition of the word does it suggest that this transition must be binary. It means to 'move across gender'. Many trans people are binary transgender. Many aren't.
Not all non-binary people connect with the word. Some don't resonate with the idea of transitioning - they just are themselves, they've not 'transitioned'. But many non-binary people do transition - many physically, many socially. This might look different to a binary transition in some ways, but does that mean we can withhold and word and a community from those people?
There is always diversity within labels and communities. Saying that some people don't get to use a word because their experience 'isn't the same', happens all the time. It's what underpins so much of the transphobia that binary trans people face: 'do what you want but you'll never be a woman/man like cis women/men are'. Non-binary people do have our own communities, but the idea of dividing non-binary people as separate from trans people is ahistorical.
I really don't believe it is harmful or inaccurate to allow non-binary people to use the word transgender if they connect with it. Language is imperfect and limited - we all do our best to describe our experience of being a person with the words we have.
@@TallulahGuard You make some good points here. Thanks for the clarification and response.
Thank you for reading it!
Gender binary | A system in which gender is constructed into two strict categories of male or female. Gender identity is expected to align with the sex assigned at birth and gender expressions and roles fit traditional expectations.
Femininity/Masculinity: Ideological constructions whose human manifestations (women and men, girls and boys) are recreated in each generation according to the intermeshing requirements of social, cultural, economic, and biological necessities. People rely on cultural constructions of these to indicate their membership in their sex/gender category.
Gender identity
One's innermost concept of self as male, female, a blend of both or neither - how individuals perceive themselves and what they call themselves. One's gender identity can be the same as or different from their sex/gender assigned at birth.
Gender roles
The interests, behaviors, and mannerisms that a society or culture assigns to a particular gender or to the things expected of a person based on their assigned, perceived, or actual gender.
Gender roles change over time and across cultures.
Gender nonconforming
This term is used to describe people with a gender expression or presentation that’s different from cultural or social stereotypes associated with the person’s perceived or assigned gender or sex. It doesn’t convey any information about the way someone experiences gender internally.
More accurately, gender nonconforming is a term used to describe physical traits in relation to socially and culturally defined gender categories.
People of any gender - cis, trans, or nonbinary - can be gender nonconforming.
Gender expression | External appearance of one's gender identity, usually expressed through behavior, clothing, body characteristics or voice, and which may or may not conform to socially defined behaviors and characteristics typically associated with being either masculine or feminine.
Gender transition
The process by which some people strive to more closely align their internal knowledge of gender with its outward appearance. Some people socially transition, whereby they might begin dressing, using names and pronouns and/or be socially recognized as another gender. Others undergo physical transitions in which they modify their bodies through medical interventions.
Social dysphoria
A specific type of gender dysphoria that manifests as distress and discomfort that results from the way society or other people perceive, label, refer to, or interact with someone’s gender or body.
Being Transgender is when someone's gender identity has an incongruence with or doesn't sit comfortably with their sex/gender assigned at birth.
Being Nonbinary is having a gender identity that has an incongruence with or doesn't sit comfortably with the binary gender system.
There are Nonbinary people who receive HRT and gender affirmating surgery.
Nonbinary people are trans enough.
Wow! This video is very interesting! I am a teen Enby and i do think i am Trans to enby :) also dont let these haters get to u!! They just boosting the video haha!
haha so true!! Thank you for watching :)
what a wonderful video, very informative and easy to follow! congrats :) cheers from Spain
Thank you!!!
nice video 😇 i'm enby myself, and trans, because... they both feel applicable to me in my measure! the contrast between the ethos of the "movement", being radically one's own self and not compromising by pouring one's self into one of the Traditional Societal Moulds provided, is like, an intrinsically counterintuitive thing to the ubiquitous, very literal, uncompromising beauracracy of the western world 😆 you know what i mean? i def want that X gender marker though uncle sam does NOT need to know more about what i have going on in my life LOL
hmmmm.... well... I identify as a gender other than my birth sex, so I am trans... but I am agender, I have no gender, my gender is -?- , if i were trans I would have needed to change my gender from something to something else, correct? but I have deleted my gender and never chosen a new one, so where is the transition? am I trans? to claim the label "trans" feels very like having a gender to me? philosophers please answer because I don't know... (great video BTW)
I totally get this and I've spoken to people irl about this exact thing haha. Sometimes realising you're agender or non-binary can feel more like a 'getting rid of' or deleting like you said, than a move from one thing to another. For me, I have socially transitioned (pronouns, gendered language, coming out, exploring how I express my gender). And I do see some sort of 'before and after'. But it's also not that clear cut - I think many trans people feel that way. Ultimately you can claim it or not claim it - language is strange sometimes and we just do the best we can!
@@TallulahGuard thanks for the reply! and it's cool you know what I mean, I never really "came out", I just carried on being exactly how I am but felt happy that the modern world has a name for it so I can explain it to people more easily, and it kinda makes me feel better about it knowing that I'm not the only person who feels this way, plus if I said I was trans my parents/family would totally freak LOL (this kinda makes me wanna do it though)
I agree with everything you said, especially invalidating transmedicalism (a new word I just learned) as exclusionary, gatekeeping (eww, ugh), & detrimental both to trans persons individually & to the trans community at large.
Yeah science is so exclusionary 🙄
i recently learned that a lot of the medical interpretation of transness was developed off of one person's experience (Karl Heinrich Ulrichs). so no wonder it's so limited. i didn't know until i researched it for my undergrad paper on transness in music
So interesting omg!! Sounds like a cool paper
@@TallulahGuard thanks!! it is super interesting, I never knew about Ulrichs until I was writing this paper. But he is claimed as the first person to come out in the Western world but was somehow also used to build the standards in the DSM on transness. It makes me wonder who was interpreting Ulrich's experience and how the DSM was written in the first place
This is tricky. I'm NB/Genderqueer and AFAB.. though I can be femme sometimes and I don't want to transition to be a "man", I do want to medically transition and I really want to start taking T. I guess that would make me Trans in the strictest sense of the word.
Are you sure it's not just lesbian bed death?
@@user-po3km8in2h I’m not a lesbian or in a relationship?
"Binary" and "Non-Binary" have reference to the sex spectrum. Gender has nothing to do with the sex spectrum as "it is all in one's head", totally independent of the person's sex.
The words binary and non-binary can be used in reference to gender and/or sex, since we categorise both according to a binary system of male/female and man/woman
@@TallulahGuard What if one identifies as a non-terrestrial creature such as an angel?
Short answer, yes. Long answer, yes...but it's a lot more than just that.
Thanks, this definitely clarified some things for myself, and I greatly appreciate that!
Aah I'm so glad!!
I'm genderfluid/non-binary and I consider myself trans. Maybe it's just because I like the flag colors more. Like I dress up or do a lil drag thing and it makes me feel gender euphoria.
No Doll, sorry baby girl. Nonbinary and trans isn’t the same. One is feeling like you’re the opposite sex that you’re born as everyday all day since you can remember & the other is feeling like you’re both male or female depending how you feel on any given day or when it’s convenient to do so. I don’t know how you guys came to this conclusion of delusion, but because of this nonsense all of the hard work that my trans brothers and sisters did for decades is being erased and tainted. You guys come along and decide y’all fall under the trans umbrella without walking our walk or living the lifestyle. It’s not right, they both have their own uniqueness and are beautiful. But stop this, there’s a reason why there are so many detransitioners today. A lot of you are confused and are doing extreme irreversible damage to your bodies. The worst part is that y’all are influencing young minds who are extremely vulnerable and look at social media all day everyday, they’re the ones who will suffer and pay the most. STOP THIS PROPAGANDA. It’s extremely dangerous.
Hey. What you are saying about non-binary people is exactly what some gay people said about binary trans people when they became more visible. That they're delusional, that they're undoing all the progress made towards LGB acceptance, that they're tainting the image of the rest of the community, that they are promoting dangerous ideas. Being non-binary isn't new. 'Genderqueer' was first used in the 1990s, and many many trans people are also non-binary or genderqueer. None of us are erasing or denying the endless contributions of trans people to LGBTQ+ rights. Why would we? Also, non-binary people don't just feel 'male or female' day to day. Many of us don't feel connected to either. Some non-binary people access hormones and/or surgery and it's a great path for them. Some people feel comfortable without. Considering how concerned you say you are about the wellbeing of young people, maybe don't leave patronising, unkind (not to mention misinformed) comments.
Hey. What you are saying about non-binary people is exactly what some gay people said about binary trans people when they became more visible. That they're delusional, that they're undoing all the progress made towards LGB acceptance, that they're tainting the image of the rest of the community, that they are promoting dangerous ideas. Being non-binary isn't new. 'Genderqueer' was first used in the 1990s, and many many trans people are also non-binary or genderqueer. None of us are erasing or denying the endless contributions of trans people to LGBTQ+ rights. Why would we? Also, non-binary people don't just feel 'male or female' day to day. Many of us don't feel connected to either. Some non-binary people access hormones and/or surgery and it's a great path for them. Some people feel comfortable without. Considering how concerned you say you are about the wellbeing of young people, maybe don't leave patronising, unkind (not to mention misinformed) comments.
OMG THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENT. I thought I was the only one who understood outside of my other transgender friends the actuality of this topic. @LuMarPhoto spot on 100%
@@TallulahGuard nope, sorry not sorry. Nonbinary and being trans isn’t the same at all. If you actually read my comment you’d know where I’m coming from. & yes, there’s lots of detransitioners from your generation who are confused and now have to live with the consequences of doing something that wasn’t for them. That’s all I have to say. & yes, you guys are tainting our legacy. Just because you cut your hair short and color it pink, red or blue and wear doc martens doesn’t make you trans. Being trans is much more than that. Beyond than just a lifestyle. Its being all day every day the opposite gender that we were born as… means waking up and going to sleep as. Period!.
@@LuMarPhotoopposite sex but yes I agree
Transgender and non-binary are essentially identitary social terms... Terms which are vague and subjective, somehow also misleading and reductive... It would be preferable to avoid using them since they end up with leading towards paradoxical and confusing conclusions... A difference between the two ways of experiencing oneself nevertheless exist: for example, gender disphoria of strictly "trans" people is binary and is supposed to be treated medically whereas "non binary" people (besides their inclusion in the so called "transgender umbrella") seem not to require any such treatment.. Trans people need to be integrated within the opposite gender category while non binary need to distinguish themselves as a new ungendered category.. They are ultimately two different things which deserve being separated and not being mixed together (beyond any effort to assimilate them in one single category)..
Hey! Many non-binary people want, need and do access medical transition - lots of non-binary people go on hormones, get surgery etc. Non-binary often have gender dysphoria. Likewise, not all binary trans people want to 'fully' medically transition. It's not a clear division of binary=medical and non-binary=non-medical. There are many non-binary people who also describe themselves as trans: because they are not the gender they were assigned and/or because they are transitioning to the gender they are. Historically, the word transgender was developed by genderqueer, gender-conforming individuals (who might today identify as non-binary) as an alternative to the identity of transsexual, which at that stage was largely binary and implied medical transition. So, transgender began its life as a 'beyond the binary' term, even as today it has evolved to be more closely tied to binary transness. Language is innately limited, and limiting, you're right. There are paradoxes and contradictions. But I believe that identity labels are descriptive rather than prescriptive: they are tools to describe our individual and collective experiences, not merely boxes to put people in.
@@TallulahGuard I might agree with you, but I guess non binary people on hormone therapy necessarily want to acquire gender traits commonly associated with one or the other sex.. it is very likely a mere social and cultural convention but this is no argument to create a new one... At the end It seems to me a dispersed discussion on terms... I personally doubt it is worth the effort to fight a battle for getting an acknowledgment for a gender identity that has no particular trait of its own, or that will be quite difficult for most people to learn how to perceive that since it is being experienced merely subjectively... Everybody requires respect, of course, but this doesn't meanto me expecting everybody understands or recognizes something that lives only in our private inner space...
the binary definition seems to always appear in academia too, from the papers I've read. prefer the umbrella definition personally
Yes I agree!! I meant to put some references in the description, I will do asap
No, I'm sorry but you are making a straw man argument. That is not the only way to define transgender. You could have a definition that just isn't as inclusive as the first "umbrella" model. Trans is someone who identifies as the other binary from what they were assigned at birth. You don't have to include anything about medically transitioning. You are setting up a false argument in order to argue against it. For people who identify as trans who actually transition being seen as their new binary gender is extremely important to them. And their experience is absolutely nothing like being non-binary. And they not only transition their gender they also transition their sexuality. This is something that simply doesn't happen to non binary people.
To be honest I think it would be better if we returned to using the term transsexual for people who identify as the other binary gender... because they see themselves in a body with the wrong sex. Then non-binary people could do what ever they like with transgender as a word.
The definition of transgender has shifted a lot over time - it used to mean genderqueer/beyond the binary essentially! But as transsexual became a less popular term, now lots of people use it. I have never known a binary trans person in my life to gatekeep the word trans - it's ok that it means different things to different people. It just means 'across from' your gender assigned at birth, according to the basic structure of the word anyway :)
I really do appreciate the fact that you are a nice person trying to break things down for explanation. There are many non-binary people who do in fact try to make others just believe in what they are saying, OR ELSE... not a friendly approach. I would like to just share some thoughts, based on those of TH-camr Blaire White, famous trans woman known for her commentaries, I am sure you know about her. You said you do not really agree with trans medicalism, yet this is a term debunked by Blaire White. She says that the whole reason for a person transitioning is in fact the suffering from the disorder that is gender dysphoria. There would have been no reason for transition had it not been for the disorder. Having the disorder is not a choice, but transitioning in any way is the choice people suffering from it take in order to alleviate the dysphoria. Thus people are not born trans but do have a mental condition that can many times be more bearable by means of transitioning. Mind you, this is not labeling people as sick, it is just pointing out the need to acknowledge the presence of a mental illness when there is one, just the same as depression, anxiety, eating disorders, and the like. There is nothing transphobic in raising awareness of mental health. We are after all supposed to be, more than ever, aware of mental health nowadays. I do not want to rant anymore but she does go into these things without saying how complicated things are; it s not a good look for your introduction to your arguments to be 'it's complicated'.
That's an interesting point about transitioning and gender dysphoria. Though I disagree that saying "it's complicated" is the wrong approach. I think it's important for us to acknowledge the individual differences in identity and experience and to be open to learning more, esp on a topic as personal and complex as this. It allows space to keep an open mind and listen to different voices 😊
Hi! Blaire White and Kalvin Garrah (who you may have seen too) are transmeds who have routinely ridiculed and bullied non-binary people, saying we aren't real and that we make a mockery of trans people. This is insulting and untrue. Because of this, I don't tend to watch their videos.
But, I will say that the view of dysphoria as a mental disorder is rejected by many trans people, including binary trans people. Yes, many trans people do need medical interventions to be happy and comfortable. That should be supported, and the pain of dysphoria for many people shouldn't be downplayed. But the issue is when those without severe dysphoria are told we are lying about being trans or non-binary. Many transmeds/those who support that view would say that I am pretending, because I don't intend to go on hormones for example.
The reason I make a point of highlighting the complexity of these topics is because if you don't, you end up making generalisations that exclude people. Some trans and/or non-binary people do need/want to physically transition. Some don't. Some only want a certain amount of intervention. Trans medicalists tend to discount anyone who does not fit the text book definition of dysphoria - a diagnosis which was created by cis doctors and is now recognised by many medical professionals to be outdated and unhelpful.
@@TallulahGuard I think the mix up comes from people referring to societal gender roles and gender. People say gender is a social construct, but that is wrong. Gender roles are a social construct but not gender. Gender is in the brain and there are whole fields of scientific research dedicated to it. So i think when it comes to nb people they are saying they are trans based on social gender roles but many people who are binary trans are trans because of the biological gender in the brain. There are professors that give entire lectures on it. I think this is a hard conversation because people shut down the biological gender science being worked on right now. Saying gender is a social construct is easy to poke holes through, but saying gender roles is a social construct is entirely right. Here are videos of scientists explaining the biology of gender and how gender dysphoria is a product of a brain body mix up, not social constructs. th-cam.com/video/A3C4ZJ7HyuE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/fpGqFUStcxc/w-d-xo.html
@@tobeme1987 I get what you’re saying, and I agree that gender is (at least partially) biological. And it’s social roles that’s the construct. However that doesn’t discredit nonbinary people, as many do experience dysphoria over their body, or voice. And dysphoria isn’t the only reason to transition, it could also be from euphoria. So it doesn’t have to be “I’m depressed over my body, that’s why it needs to change” it could also be “I don’t hate my body, but I’d rather it be closer to, or be that of the other sex, it makes me feel good!” Blaire experienced a lot of suffering around her body and just doesn’t understand that that’s not the only reason to transition, and that some nonbinary people actually feel very similar to her.
@@Tw1nkerbelle Gender euphoria is a bit of a phucked up way to attach or make an equivalence to the horror that is dysphoria. I experienced it...and people comparing the 2 pisses me off to no end. I transitioned because it was that or die. Please don't conflate the 2.
I think you can have this discourse without demeaning real trans people
If by 'real trans people' you mean binary trans people, I have to disagree with your phrasing. There are MANY non-binary people who are transgender (ie are NOT their assigned gender) and choose to use the trans label. Binary and non-binary trans people are equally entitled to the label, and the diversity of trans identities does nothing to hurt anyone. There have always been trans people who fall outside or beyond the binary, it's just that the words we now have are newer. Check out Kate Bornstein - she medically transitioned around 1986 to live as a woman. She now identifies as non-binary, and has written extensively about her life as a non-binary trans person.
@@TallulahGuard Your argument probably isn't as strong as you think it is if you have to use all-caps and quotation marks to manipulate people into buying into linguistic imperialism.
I was using quotations marks to quote your comment - can you explain what part of this is manipulative? The entire premise of the video is acceptance and inclusion. There will always be debates about definitions, and in this video I put forward some definitions I (and many others) find useful. Trans and non-binary people do not, as a group, hold systematic power. Imperialism does not even begin to apply. Literally just one person on the internet my dude :')
I think it's important that some people stop pretending to have less privilege than they actually do. They, in this case, referring to more than one person.
No-one needs to face a particular level of oppression to qualify as trans. Within the binary trans community, trans women face on average far more violence than trans men. Are trans men less trans? No. Many non-binary people will never and can never 'pass', meaning lifelong misgendering, being legally invisible, being misunderstood by doctors etc. Oppression Olympics does nothing but divide people who should be on the same side. We can all recognise our own privilege without making pain and oppression the entry criteria for 'real' transness. The goal is for no trans or non-binary people to suffer because of who they are.
Gender, as you define it, is not "assigned at birth". Sex is observed at birth. You cannot transition to another sex.
If you lived alone in a cave and never met another human being, would you have a gender? Or would you just be a person? None of us are born knowing what gender is. Whether we should wear skirts or trousers, be sensitive or competitive, like pink or blue, be a little boy or a little girl. We do not know these things until we are told them.
Also, tell that to the millions of transgender people all over the world living as their gender and getting on with their lives (whether or not you comment on my video calling that impossible).
@@TallulahGuard we have bodies with definable traits. All gender is is a synonym for sex. Beyond that the word becomes meaningless
@@TallulahGuard Clothing, personality traits and colours have no bearing on sex. Gender identity is just a repackaging of gender stereotypes.
@@TallulahGuard I said sex not "gender identity". Name one person that has transitioned to another sex.
Thanks a lot for the answer of the question :)
Something i wondered before and even now after watching your great video is how can i not seem like someone with a transmedical mindset when i say „trans and non-binary people“?
Hey!! You can say trans and/or non-binary people, to make clear that you can be both Or one or the other :))).
Thanks for watching friend!!
buddy don’t be anti science. Medical is the right way to go
I understand.....nothing :)
It's ok to be confused - you don't need to know exactly how non-binary and trans people feel in order to respect us and learn the basics :)
Wow idk y but the way ya said drink coffee and talk about stuff I went made a cup and got excited like yay fun conversation time
aaaw that's so lovely :')
As was your video thanks I'm a trans woman myself it helps me understand who I am by understanding other lifestyles. I can relate to things but say hey yea that's not me and it feels great that people are communicating more. Peace love and hairspray 💙🤍💖
Can a cis person identify as trans?
No - cis generally means 'not trans'. But a cis person could identify as gender non-conforming :)
@@TallulahGuardThat’s not true. Cis means identifying as the ‘sex’ and gender you were assigned at birth. If you don’t identify as a man/woman regardless of what’s in your pants, that’s non-binary. If you want to change your body, that’s transgender.
Lol imaginary education
11:43 - YEP words are shit, bro!
Be yourself and don't mess with languages they would just make you more confused!
Tbh think I'm bi I don't have a label so yeh
This is no different than a religion. "It is because I feel it is." It's super natural and doesn't adhere to reason. A person can believe in any religious beliefs that makes them feel good, yet they must acknowledge that it’s not based in reality, but instead on faith and dogma.
It's a bit different. Gender is an aspect of human identity that is accepted by the world health organisation. But it's an interesting point - both are protected characteristics. It's illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of religion or gender (including being trans). No, I cannot prove my gender to you, just as a religious person couldn't prove to me that their god is real. But if you refuse to accept my humanity and my right to exist freely, then that's a you problem :)
Good Video
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I was doing pretty well thanks, even better now
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I’m 9 months late to this party because I just discovered your TH-cam channel and I just wanted to say as a nonbinary person who gets extremely irritated when people automatically assume I’m trans when I’m not and I do not identify with being trans, I appreciated this video. I wish you would’ve brought up the Nonbinary umbrella and that GenderFlux, gender-fluid, and genderqueer are under the nonbinary umbrella and not under the trans umbrella. Non-binary sitting under the trans umbrella feels like it was born out of conflation of the two identities and people literally just not knowing what exactly they even are. I’m non-binary. I’m not trans. I should not have to keep telling people that I’m not trans.
There's a whole caveat of neo-language for the average citizen to implement into their daily language, do you really expect everyone you meet to understand the differences between non-binary and trans?
Hey! Very late reply, but I agree that you should have agency over what labels are applied to you. I didn't make it clear enough in the video, but there are obviously many identities under the non-binary umbrella!
Hey - I agree that we don't need everyone to be versed in all the language relating to trans and non-binary identities. But remember - people used to be totally confused by what it means to be gay, or a lesbian, or bisexual. Language is always new at first - and I think that part of being a compassionate person is trying to take on new language when it emerges.
Nonbinary is not a real thing
As a TRANSEXUAL, I have many questions regarding your claims because I, personally, would love to understand this concept.
I would like to start off by talking about gender dysphoria, which is a primary trait in TRANSEXUAL people. If the goal is to secure what you already have but only change the outward appearance, then why not simply classify as a TRANSVESTITE?
It is clear some NONBINARY people choose to go on hormones, but realize it’s not what they are looking for or fit within the scope of their identity. If that is the case, how is that still identifiable as TRANSGENDER? Considering that there are more details specifically linked to TRANSEXUALISM that makes a linear diagnosis to gender dysphoria?
Watching the Jubilee episode with CONSERVATIVE TRANSGENDER people and LIBERAL TRANSGENDER people, the nonbinary individual became very hostile because the question of “what is your dysphoria?” triggered them. It seems to be a fairly simple question and seemed very engaging to level with the conversation. Considering that NONBINARY is a TRANSGENDER identity, then talking about what makes you dysphoric in the first place is one of the key components to building bridges, especially if someone is actually curious.
Also, DRAG QUEENS and DRAG QUEENS express themselves by cross dressing. It is a form of their expression as well, and some even go as far as living a lot of their life in drag but still continue to live as their biological sex. If this expression is an artform of their expression of their freedom in their gender, why not just be a TRANSVESTITE? (I mean that as contemporary as I can, meaning that there are sometimes no easy way to ask questions)
Lastly, SELF-ID has become more prominent in society and has linked to many cases of abuse in the system. For example, the massacre in Nashville, Tennessee gave light to a lot of people talking about the MISGENDERING rather than the act in which this person did. I realize what the community was trying to achieve, but was that truly the most important aspect of the situation? Considering that many individuals were speaking on MISGENDERING solely.
Truly I would just like to find some kind of understanding between the distinctions between what it means to be TRANSEXUAL and NONBINARY.
Thank you.
I honestly felt we could have gone without the caps lock on. Either way. Gender is for a big part based in the social interaction between humans. Being non binary your dysphoria could place itself in this category. Being perceived and treated as a women or a men in a world that relies heavily on those social constructions can be very alienating. Moreover, the gender dysphoria cam also be physical. For example, feeling like the boobs that are on your body are not yours. Like being in a constricting bodysuit that forces you to live in this binary you are born with. Not seeing the you you are feeling to be in the mirror. The fact that the goal is not to make the body the opposite gender doesn't mean that the gender that the body presents fits and that the dysphoria is invalid.
Take care🙏
This sums it up very well, thank you!
Your illustration of someone "non-binary" was someone whose gender cannot be explained as male or female. You go on to say that people who identify as non-binary conceptualize their gender in different ways.
So: when we are discussing being "non-binary," are we discussing something objectively real? or are we discussing someone's subjective impression of something objectively real? or are we simply discussing feelings?
You further refer to this experience in the context of someone's "experience" of gender; so, I'm guessing you're referring generally to someone's subjective impression of something objectively real -- though your repeated reference, e.g., to how someone "experiences the world," suggests you may be moving back and forth between the merely subjective camp and the subjective-but-representative-of-reality camp. This is OK, so long as you understand what you're doing; my experience with people who do this -- and not only in the transgender context -- is that they frequently aren't aware they are slipping from one point-of-view to the other, and back again.
This is a problem I've observed among members of the transgender community: failure to distinguish between reality (e.g. gender) and impressions of reality (e.g. gender identity). When someone says they are transgender, are they making a statement about reality? or are they making a statement about how they feel merely? I can understand someone feeling that neither "male" nor "female" fully or accurately describes them; but, while the feeling itself is legitimate as a feeling, it is still only a subjective impression. It may or may not correspond to the way things really are.
Obviously, people have a right to see themselves in the way that works best for them. The problem comes when people try to translate internal impressions into civil rights, law and public policy. A basis for these things must be objectively demonstrable; and the brutal truth is that the very notion of "gender" as something potentially divergent from sex is merely a belief.
There are even some transgender people who do not believe that being non-binary (as opposed to feeling non-binary) is real. Ironically, many of these would fall into the "umbrella" camp, since not everyone is able (or even wants) to completely transition medically, while still identifying as a gender other than that assigned to them at birth -- but with the proviso that only the two genders are possible. :)
Subjectivity doesn’t render something as ‘not real’ or unworthy of being recognised in law and public policy. You say that gender and sex are indistinguishable but this by definition is false. It’s position as something determined by identity as opposed to physical characteristics doesn’t negate its importance. Using your logic, the idea of money as something that holds a certain value and can be traded for objects/services of a similar value is false and should also not be recognised by law or public policy as the idea of paper or coins holding value is ‘just an idea’, regardless of how many people have that idea and how long it has been around
Your argument only really functions under the assumption that systems and ideas are only ‘real’ and worthy of note and recognition if they are tangible and can be physically identified. But this is very obviously false. Social constructs are real and important and hold up the entire world, arguing that their lack of physicality renders them invalid and not worthy of inclusion in policy ( which is also just ‘a subjective idea ) is kinda dumb
@@swaibafaisal8916 You misunderstand my point. If you believe in objective reality -- and people act as if they do, so what they say isn't really important -- then all experience is tied to objective reality.
The real question is what that experience signifies. It all comes down to personal belief; and belief can be accurate or not. As I think I indicated, these things become problematic when they are used as a basis for law or public policy. For a belief to be used as such a basis, there must be broad agreement with it. I'm not sure where the critical mass lies; but there is certainly broad disagreement whether there exists a quality called "gender" such that it is potentially divergent from sex. As for sex itself, as a physical phenomenon, there is broad agreement; so, the issue does not arise. Gender is a different matter. The objective evidence is thin. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, of course. But it does mean that it is sufficiently debated to be unsuitable as a basis for law or policy.
Beliefs can also be problematic when they do not correspond meaningfully to objective reality, which non-functionality or a-functionality tends to demonstrate. Take Walt Heyer for example. He believed identifying as transgender and transitioning would benefit him, until some years later he realized it did not. His previous belief about himself was, at least relatively, less functional than the belief he holds now.
Human beings are always trying to figure out their relationship with the world. It isn't important that they be right, so much as that they be honest with themselves, that they act with integrity. The best statement I know of along these lines by a transgender person is, essentially, "When it comes right down to it, I can't prove what I am; but this frame works better than the alternative. If something else comes along at some future time that works better, I hope I have the good sense to go with that, instead."
I think your example of money is an unfortunate choice; but that's a side issue.
@@swaibafaisal8916 Re: my argument: not at all. It's not a question of tangibility. For example, love is not tangible, but most people would say it is not only real but essential.
I'm surprised at this comment. You really missed my point. It's not that intangibles aren't real; it's that they cannot, by their nature, be demonstrated to be real. That doesn't mean they aren't real. It just means that: (a) we need to be flexible about them, and (b) we cannot impose them on others. They are, after all, beliefs.
Incidentally, I personally do believe gender is real. I just can't prove it. It's a belief. :)
@@annw291 ohhhh that makes more sense, I’m sorry I misunderstood your point