It’s definitely one of those series that makes sense when you play it but there’s so much information to keep track of one mistake can mess up the whole thing.
@@A.Z.296 I am actually fine with it. There were enough things in the games where I was able to see what they’d do next. I remember people being upset about Xehanort’s motivations in III. I saw that twist happening since BBS and that was my first KH game. The order is crazy, especially since every game ends on a cliffhanger but at this point it’s more like “oh so that explains it” rather than “where did this come from” you know what I mean? Even the title 358/2 Days makes perfect sense to me now.
@@calebgoodman3028 Well I've only played through RE:Coded and 358/2 days completely, I gave up on 3 before the final Xehanort fight because I couldn't fucking select Rage mode, I played through the first 10 minutes of 1 and then I just gave up on the franchise
It should be noted that Sora and Roxas could exist at the same time because Sora's body after becoming human again was essentially created through Kairi using her powers of light. So Sora was incomplete in that he was kinda just a heart walking around in a suit of light.
So basically that means, as both a princess of heart and keyblade wielder, kairi has the power to project light constructs of other people she touches (cause she was hugging sora). Like she could also create light duplicates of herself to fight in tandem. I don't know, it's just an idea.
@@redshepherd32 Not likely, since its more that she used her light to form something more akin to a replica that Sora's heart could fit into. Likely without a heart to form around she would not be able to creat full on constructs of other people. And it is also likely to note that she only able to do this because of the specific bond her and Sora share.
@@bluesnake4626 And that is why he dissapears? Because he is giving his body for her heart to inhabit, and now he is just gone? Like, how Kairi was a heart with no body? This f*cking series man...
@@pedromiret9195 Sora originally disappears because his body and heart fall to darkness as a byproduct of releasing Kairi’s heart. At that time Sora’s body went off to go become Roxas and his heart became the little shadow that ends up fallowing Kairi. Kairi’s body on the other hand was already near bye for her heart to return to. Kairi’s body never disappeared because she is a princess of heart and has no darkness for her body to have fallen into.
Honestly, the wildest part of Kingdom Hearts to me is the fact that a game series this old and with this many installments has no spin-off games. Oh sure, it has games that _seem_ like spinoffs, and arguably should be, but in reality *every single one* is plot-critical. The DS remake of a Japanese-only mobile phone game whose plot Nomura literally wrote while drunk? Its ending resolves the cliffhanger that KH2 left on for half a decade. The other DS game that seemingly only exists for additional Roxas angst? Hope you remembered that new girl we introduced, because otherwise a big chunk of KH3 won't make much sense! Want to know where Sora ended up after KH3's ending? Play this _rhythm game_ for about 12 hours and maybe we'll tell you! The browser-and-smartphone-exclusive MMO set thousands of years in the past? *Fuck you, we put like half the lore in there!*
that's basically it. yeah. All (officially licensed?) games in any form have relevant lore and either you try and gather it yourself or spend more than a third of a literal day sorting through lore explained to you by somebody who has managed to do so.
Can you please tell me which mobile games I need to play to get the whole story? I played all of the KH recently, but didn't touch any of the mobile games. I've tried looking at videos of just the cutscenes, but I'm really confused about which are which. Union Cross, Dark Road and all the others whose names I forgot.
@@tomaspeixinho4447 Union Cross is discontinued, Everglow has a great video of all the cutscenes with explanations, same for dark road which is currently unplayable until the final update drops (supposedly this month) those are the only two important mobile games currently released. There’s also missing link which enters closed beta(?) at some point this year.
To explain the keyblade, it was supposed to be Riku’s in the first place but his corruption when he unwittingly opened the Door to Darkness caused it to go to Sora instead.
@@ECODKyleskymast At that moment Riku’s heart was stronger so he was able to reclaim it. By that point Sora has seen his goal ripped away from him multiple times and he lost faith. It’s when he kept trying even after his lowest point and reaffirmed himself that he was able to win it back.
It's a bit more specific than that. According to Nomura, when Sora was reaching out to Riku through the darkness, he'd touched Riku's light which caused the Keyblade to temporarily transfer to him. Riku was able to take it back twice with no issue because it was still rightfully his, but when Sora had demonstrated his strength of heart, the Keyblade fully transferred over to him.
Technically riku was the only one who was actually 'chosen' to be a keyblade weilder. Sora got the keyblade because ventus' heart was sleeping inside his at the time. Kairi only ever gets a keyblade because even aqua saved her as a child kairi accidentally touched aquas keyblade and kinda 'imprinted' with it to become her successor the way that riku was meant to become terra's successor.
@@deskish3930 I wouldn't blame someone for skipping from 1 to 2 back in the day, cause Chain of Memories was a GBA game between Play Station games. But like if you chose to skip from 2 to 3 even tho it was like a decades worth of games than that kinda of you bro.
He did? I only know the part when he predicted that the characters would turn into organisation XIII but they were already showed earlier. But the one thing he did probably guess right is that nobody dies lel. Honestly as somewhat straightforward KH is, the crappy logic of the story makes it somewhat unpredictable too
For age reference, Sora and Kairi are 14 in KHI (15 in KH2, 4 in Birth by Sleep), and Riku is a year older. There's also a couple minor details that are wrong. Terra made braig lose his eye much earlier in BBS, not Aqua. Sora and Kairi are the only ones who existed while their nobodies did.
Which makes sense since Sora and Kairi’s nobodies were formed from a combination of theirs and Ventus’ heart that was also in Sora at the time. Also I could have sworn the guide book thingies that came with either KH1 or KH2 claimed Sora was 16, but I guess it doesn’t really matter and I’m probably wrong.
One of the details he missed is that the Kingdom Hearts in KHI and KHII were artificial. The one in BBS and III is the real one. The other two were still threats and needed to be destroyed though.
@@davidcline0809 in kh1 it was the door of "a" kingdom hearts formed, a collection of world's hearts fallen together. In kh2 it was due to the destruction and release of enough hearts from heartless to form another "artifical kingdom hearts". The door in kh2 is just given to sora Riku and the gang in order to stop xemnas ie a big threat to all the worlds in kh2. Like doco mentioned Bbs and 3 (as well as union) was the real kingdom hearts. Bbs was partially complete because the xblade ie the key to kh wasnt fully complete. In union cross it's from unions and their leaders collecting light (lux) from defeating heartless, and thus they began fighting over the light. The xblade itself was broken into 7 parts of light and 13 of darkness (ie why kh1 had 7 princesses of light), why organization 13 has "13" members, and what xehanort needed to do. All the attempts at unlocking kingdom hearts before kh3 ended up as failures but xehanort still learned and prepped for multiple long term goals. From body napping Terra, and trying to posess Riku, and all the time travel crap XD. I think I over explained but ya 😅😅the end goal that officially worked for xehanort was getting the 7 guardians of light to flash with the 13 darknesses (making all 13 keys to form the xblade). I think that's all 😂
When xemnas and ansem were destroyed BOTH Terra and Xehanort were restored, but Terra was more like a husk and Xehanort just possessed him again on sight. That's why both exist.
More like Mackey talked to ansem the wise telling him that his reacearch into hearts could lead to some bad stuff but teranort wants to continue in secret
@@XeroBuster No, seriously, in KH3, Ansem SoD reprimands Ansem for his foolhardy search for knowledge, and some of his more sinister experiments, specifically, ones done on a girl who went missing and is still unknown iirc.
When it comes to KH, it’s easy to look at it from the outside and go ‘wtf is this?’, but it’s actually pretty consistent with in their lore: maybe a bit convoluted, but consistent. NoveZone’s retrospective series did a pretty good job explaining it in broad strokes.
It is definitely not consistent. Even in the first game it has inconsistencies. Like how Kairi gets sent back to Destiny Islands despite the fact that everyone is supposed to be sent back to their *original* worlds. Edit: I wanna add that we can't even use the retcon reason excuse (which is the primary cause of most of the inconsistencies) because even if it's not explicitly said which world Kairi is originally from it's still implied that Kairi came from another world. Hell I'm pretty sure it's one of the main motivation for why the gang is building a raft at the start.
@@Abyzz_Knight True, the main motivation for the raft was the Kairi coming from another world. But, also, is it returning to their original world or returning to their home because I would say Kairi's home is Destiny Island; there can be many reasons why: Kairi doesn't really remember Radiant Gardens, so Destiny Islands is the place she remembers as home. Memories and hearts go together a lot within the series.
@@XxSherlockianHeroxX we are explicitly told that everyone will be sent back to "where they came from" and literally everyone except Kairi gets sent back to their original worlds. We literally see so (in KH2) in the cases of all the Final Fantasy characters that are originally from Hollow Bastion, Beast, Belle, Jasmine, and Mushu. There's nothing suggesting that the characters will be sent to wherever they view as home. Kairi not being sent back to the world she came from is an inconsistency.
@@Abyzz_Knight This isn't an inconsistency, it's a misinterpretation. Nomura addressed this in the KH1 Ultimania: "---After everything is done, Kairi is left on Destiny Islands, but why did she not go back to Hollow Bastion? Nomura: Yes. I’m going to be a little blunt here, but I said within the book the reason why. The princesses told Sora, “We will be able to return to our respective worlds before they disappeared.” Kairi disappeared from Destiny Islands, so she returned there. Since she was physically moved from Hollow Bastion to Destiny Islands, she did not disappear from there." In the context of that scene with the princesses, the princesses are referring to their original worlds, because that's where they were at the moment the darkness took them. Kairi was not in her original world when the darkness took her, she was on Destiny Island so she went back there. It's the same logic behind when a person is recompleted after their Heartless and Nobody are destroyed, they'll reform at the location they originally became a Heartless, unless that location is not available for some reason. The "original world" phrasing in the game was probably just a flowery way of saying "home world", that got misinterpreted as literal, when that was not the intention. P.S. Also, we see the Final Fantasy characters return to Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden in KH1, BEFORE the worlds were restored so them being there in KH2 isn't evidence of that point.
@@thedothackerkeyblademaster "The princesses told Sora "we will be able to return to our respective worlds before they disappeared." Kairi disappeared from Destiny Islands so she returned there" But Agrabah and Wonderland never disappeared yet Jasmine and Alice got sent back to their original worlds. Hollow Bastion also didn't disappear either yet all of the people originally from there including the people that weren't currently at Hollow Bastion by the end of the game were back at Hollow Bastion. The only exception being Kairi. "The princesses are referring to their original worlds because that's where they were at the moment the darkness took them" But Alice and Jasmine weren't taken by darkness because their worlds were never consumed,they were kidnapped. In Jasmine's case we even know that it was specifically Riku that kidnapped her. "P.S. Also, we see the Final Fantasy characters return to Hollow Bastion/Rafsanjani Garden in KH2, BEFORE the worlds were restored" Not all of them. Cloud and Sephiroth are never shown to have returned before the worlds are restored. Edit: forgot to add that the quote I used, the full quote being "everyone will go back to where they came from" came from Yuffie, not the princesses.
"YOURE XEHANORT (Old Man Xehanort), YOURE XEHANORT (Xemnas), YOURE XEHANORT (Young Xehanort) AND YOURE XEHANORT (Ansem), ARE THERE ANY OTHER XEHANORTS I SHOULD KNOW OF?!" *Master of Masters stands at the sidelines*
@@calebgoodman3028 alas, that was only a red herring as the player character was reincarnated into (potentially) the new player character of the upcoming mobile game who was the blue robed guy who raised Xehanort on Destiny Islands 🙃
To add on the video kinda made it seem like they made xion as a replica of sora when in reality it's just a puppet/vessel. Sora's memories of kairi (after his memory being fucked with) ended up transferring from roxas into xion as xemnas says "shaping it into her(him?)", stalling the process of sora awakening but also allowing xemnas to make a copy of sora if enough memories and moveset are removed from roxas (roxas was losing energy as xion gained it).I know kingdom hearts fans know this but the video kinda made it weirdly explained as if xion is a perfect duplicate to sora (which at one point it is, end of 358 with the epic evil sora in org 13 cloak) xD
As much as I adore Kingdom Hearts, literally my favorite series, it is very hard to get a summary of just because how over the place it seems when you go from a quick story point to a quick story point. One of those games where you cant really be told the story and more of one you absorb over time.
Also what's funny is people claim the series is "complicated" but it is not.. it just is convoluted and sometimes wacky.. like I marathoned the whole series all in a row and the story was pretty easy to grasp because everything was still in recent memory.. I just think people don't play some of the games for years after they came out so they are hazy on stuff and just think the story is this crazy web of plots when.. it's all just given to you (for the most part)
As Birth by Sleep was my introduction to Kingdom Hearts I must clear up a lot of things that was incorrect here. 1. Ventus had amnesia due to the trauma of the incident where Xehanort RIPPED the darkness out of Ven’s heart. 2. That event left Ven in a comatose state and Xehanort decided to dump him off in Destiny Islands, where Ven’s fractured heart, meets Sora’s (most likely baby) heart who restore’s Ven’s heart. 3. This is kinda silly, but apparently the reason why Vanitas resembles Sora is because, Sora used his heart to heal the hole in Ven’s heart left behind by Vanitas and that connection influences what Vanitas looks like. 4. Terra killed Master Eraqus because Eraqus was trying to kill Ventus and Terra was just protecting him. His heart was released as he died and went into Terra (like how Kairi’s heart went into Sora in KH1) 5. The X-blade forged in the clash between Ven and Van was incomplete due to the fact that Ven wasn’t seven lights and Van wasn’t thirteen darknesses. It still held considerable power. 6. Terra was ‘Norted at the same time Ven became the “X-Blade”. 7. Terra was also the one that gave Xigbar (Braig/Luxu) the scar and eye damage not Aqua 8. The reason why Terranort was an amnesiac is because, while Xehanort was able to take over Terra’s body, Terra’s Will inhabited Terra’s armor and beat Terranort soundly. While it did not bring Terra back, it put a dent in Xehanort’s plans, at least for a while. 9. The reason why Ven fell into a deep sleep was because he destroyed his own heart to destroy the “X-blade” a feat that should have killed him, but a lifeboat of sorts came in the form of Sora who already shared a connection with Ven (Refer to correction #2). Ven’s heart was able to piece itself back together over the course of the 10+ years sheltered in Sora’s heart. 10. Sora and Riku were 4 and 5 respectively when Terra and Aqua saw them on Destiny Islands. Kairi was 4 when she met Aqua 11. Terra bequeathed his Keyblade to Riku which was how he was able to wield one in the first place. Kairi was bequeathed Aqua’s Keyblade by accident. It’s called Bequeathing but they don’t actually lose their Keyblades after. It’s just a way for Keyblade Wielders to add to their ranks. The requirements are that the potential Keyblade wielder posses a strong heart and that the Keyblade glows (if accidental) or if the Keyblade does not automatically return to it’s wielder after they pass it to the potential Keyblade wielder. Going by this logic, Captain Jack Sparrow cannot be a Keyblade Wielder. 12. Aqua beats Terranort soundly and during the course of the fight he opens a portal to the realm of darkness. After he’s defeated, Terranort falls into the portal and Aqua dives in after him and sacrifices herself thinking she’s saved Terra. Now for some corrections not from BBS… Sora was not chosen by the Keyblade. Sure he had a Keyblade wielder in his heart, but that was not a free pass for him. It was originally Riku’s, but as he was consumed by darkness the night they left the Destiny Islands, the Keyblade went to the nearest heart filled with light. Riku was able to call the Keyblade back to him in Hollow Bastion due to it being his by default, but Sora was able to claim it back by showing the true strength of his Heart. Replicas basically clones. They are existences created to be as close to human as possible by Vexen, which are then given hearts via Memory, Time Travel, Power of Awakening. They’re basically a way to give someone who exists without a body, a body. See; Nobodies that have formed hearts and established their existence *cough* Roxas, Naminè, Xion *cough*, Heartless and Nobodies previously defeated and certain Old Codgers who like to game the system by supplementing the forces of darkness with multiple versions of himself
As a fan of Kingdom Hearts, I do appreciate that video, but part of me also wants to give Patterrz a full explanation that’s more coherent so he can actually understand what’s going on, lol
Yeah, this is basically a really scuffed version of telephone. Someone who knows nothing about Kingdom Hearts is getting an explanation of the story by someone else who doesn’t know anything about Kingdom Hearts. Who is getting his information from notes by someone who’s played the games but might not remember everything that’s happened.
god i love barry's video so much so glad someone sent it to you! he also has vods of the making of this video, as well as him playing through a few of the games too! they're a good time, highly recommend
I also recommend watching the in game cutscenes for some moments, they're pretty epic. Xemnas boss fight in KHII is particularly good, as well as Xions death.
Heartless is a misnomer. It was named by people who didn't understand it. Patterz, you were right. But it's easy if you remember that a Heartless isn't a person turned dark. It's just darkness capturing a person's heart like a living pokeball. A heartless will collect hearts to power itself up, but it just feeds on the energy, it doesn't use the heart for heart stuff. So it lacks a functional heart
41:55 I know this is all confusing and makes no damn sense, but they literally JUST explained what the Power of Waking is. It's the ability to un-jelly his jam and deal with all the extra hearts he has, like what he did with Kairi in KH1, but without having to poke his soft underbelly and turn into a bug. Come on, man! Pay attention!
Funnily enough that's just a side of the Power of Waking. It's real purpose is to make portals by connecting Hearts, it just so happens to be able to drag Hearts out of the Realm of Death as well it's just doing so is spitting in God's face.
Okay so, as somebody who has basically has infinite knowledge on stuff that nobody ever needs to know about Kingdom Hearts, I can explain some stuff that you were confused about (mostly because Barry's friend didn't really clearly explain it to him); About the whole time travel paradox thing, basically, with every character who has time travelled, when they die, they don't really die, their grip on that time period slips away and they're sent back to the exact moment in time they came from with absolutely no memory of what happened. Union X is actually probably the most important game in the series but it's understandable why Barry didn't go into much detail because the game literally wasn't finished at the time. Most of the characters in the series actually do have a genuine reason as to how they avoid death when they absolutely should've died which is actually explained in earlier games most of the time (Like how Roxas is given a replica and the memories from the data Twilight Town and how Ventus' heart was just sleeping inside of Sora's and the whole point of Dream Drop was for Sora to obtain the Power of Waking to save him, etc) It isn't brought up throughout this video but the reveal of Xigbar being Luxu was actually heavily foreshadowed to people who knew what to look for... basically he was just being super shady the whole time, knowing sayings that absolutely are well before his time, throughout the entirety of KH3, he's also looking for the Master's black box but isn't telling anybody why, etc. There's probably more I could clarify but I'll leave it at this for now.
That's one thing I didn't get. Why did he even have to look for it in the first place? It never left his side after the MoM gave it to him, though he did stay in the distance to watch the Keyblade War so he might've gotten separated in the aftermath...
@@sethporter9066 He probably hid it so he didn't have to carry it around all the time when he was acting as Braig/Xigbar. If he would've been carrying that thing everywhere he went, somebody was bound to question it and, knowing some people in the organisation, open it which Luxu was explicitly told not to do. Any amount of things could've happened for him to not know its location; he could've simply forgotten where he put it after so many years, we know the Master of Masters was kicking around still so he could've moved it because he knew that somebody would find it before Luxu came back to it, Maleficent states that the box won't even exist until the Keyblade War is complete so for all we know, Luxu could've thrown it into the other side of reality (long story for those of you who don't know) where MoM himself could've been protecting it until Luxu was available to carry it with him again. There's really not enough information to know for certain right now but I'm willing to bet that it will be clarified in KH4.
@@lukasruston8618 Actually really happy to see someone as knowledgeable about the lore of KH like me. But I've Always had this question lingering in my head, and maybe it's because I haven't really kept up with the lore as much as I needed to: Wasn't Luxu's role is to not only to keep the contents of the box closed until its time to do so, and to also watch everything unfold with The MoM's Keyblade "No Name" just for the Book of Prophecies to be written? Also (And please correct me if I'm wrong, it has been awhile🤣) but I remember that the Union X Gang assembled once again being called by Luxu (Confirmed to be Braig/Xigbar) and actually didn't recognized him as first, being told that he looks different from last time they've seen him. I remembered that Luxu's Heart went from Vessel to Vessel while events unfolded, being an Ally to the one who holds his Keyblade. Which makes sense being that Xehanort was in possession of No Name, and Xigbar was the one closes to him during the KH games, even being promised to have No Name in his care once everything is over and done with. So Luxu from the first time we seen of him (And how the Union X Gang remembered him) is completely different now with Xigbar assuming Luxu's Identity and purpose, hence Ira questioning if That's really "Luxu" Again this Lore is just so so awesome with everything we talk about with this series, but if im wrong please let me know!😁👍🏾
@@jayg613 You got everything right there, the only thing is that if Luxu was dragging this box around with him everywhere he went then people would start to question it and why he was so dead set on protecting it... that would probably cause some complications so instead, Luxu just hid the box... until people started looking for it anyways. From here, it's either presumed that the way that Luxu hid the box made it so that even HE didn't know where it was or that he knew where it was hidden but he just did something to it that would ensure it would only appear at a certain time and he was just claiming to not know where it was to keep his identity hidden... honestly, it could be either one but we really don't know by this point in the story.
When Xemnas would give new members of Organization a new name involving the Recusant's Sigil, he would use his power to manipulate that which is normally without form to manifest the name of their Somebody as a representation of their psyche. He would then scramble the letters of that name and stamp the Recusant's Sigil somewhere in the mix. He was placing Xehanort's personal mark/tracking device on the Nobody's manifested identity. That's why having the Recusant's Sigil as part of their name was enough to track them. Xehanort returned as an old man because when a person's Heartless and Nobody are destroyed, the original person is reformed from the heart released when the Heartless was destroyed. In Birth By Sleep when Xehanort in Terra's body pointed his Keyblade at himself, what was happening is that Terra was interfering with Xehanort when Xehanort was trying to attack Aqua. Xehanort turned his Keyblade on Terra's body, and turned Terra's heart into a Heartless without expelling it from his body, resulting in a unique type of Heartless bound to Xehanort's shadow.
@@Aaaa-g6u8e Then show a retcon then, because literally it is straight forward as a arrow. The only thing confusing or mysterious is things related to the lost masters and in between the new mobile game and the present games in the timeline, because we don't got much info on them
@@Aaaa-g6u8e Retcons? I didn’t see any when I played the games as nearly everything was foreshadowed. I mean there were stuff I predicted about Xehanort’s so called retconned motivation back in BBS on PSP. My first KH game nonetheless.
@@Joan-jq5ho Not really. I was unaware of Heartless and Nobody’s and the twists were still impactful. I’m just saying that a lot of these so called retcons were able to be predicted early on and just goes to show people should read the reports more. Xehanort Report VIII reveals he wanted to balance light and darkness which already disproves the whole Xehanort is entirely evil thing by nine years, Xehanort Report IX mentions body hopping which we see happen in BBS but people still seem confused when it showed up again in Union χ for some reason. Then I would go as far as to say Dark Road must’ve been somewhat influenced with how often light and dark both being necessary to keep the world order coming up in the reports and us seeing firsthand how right Xehanort actually was in Dark Road.
Kingdom Hearts recoded does warrant some explaining. At the end of Chain of Memories, Namine found numerous memories that did not belong to Sora. These were memories tied to Roxas, Ventus, and their respective group of friends. Because of the considerable pain and heartache that could be felt from these memories Namine chose to leave a few messages in Jiminy's journal and some "bugs". She wanted to test Sora's ability to handle such hurt but did not want to risk breaking his heart. Fortunately, the data version of Sora was able to handle this pain meaning that the real Sora should be able to as well.
Thanks, Pat. Now “Mickey nipples” will show up somewhere in my yearbook because someone unplugged my earbuds in home room just as you were saying that.
34:21 One of the rules of time travel states that if you head back to where you came from you forget everything that happened when you time travelled, thus avoiding any paradoxes. So when they got defeated again, they just went back to their own games to live out their fates.
Oh, KH is a great series...even with all its plot complexes and stuff that ended up disappointing me. Got into it because of seeing the commercials and the crossover of Disney characters in a serious story. I liked crossovers. (Hardly knew anything about Final Fantasy at that time) I think I watched a stream vod by Barry on the sleeping Realm theory in Summer 2019, but never saw this one. Also, it's hilarious how he brings up several plot points many games later than when they were originally relevant, like Kairi getting a keyblade and the other Norts time traveling.
54:40 The feelings of everyone who just watched a synapses of Kingdom Hearts plot in a setting. Games are fun but you try to follow them for the plot then I pray the aneurysms you gain and slight and non life threatening my friend.
Kingdom Hearts is one of those things that you really have to play yourself so you have time to digest it all. Having it thrown at you rapid fire is very confusing.
It still baffles me how EVERY DAMN THING in this series is apparently cannon. EVERYTHING. The many many spinoffs/side games, that Mobile Game, that MMO game, apparently a concert in Japan revealed future story lore, I think I remember hearing that the primary reason why Sora wasn't included sooner to Smash Bros (Apparently Disney was willing to allow it) was seriously because of lore reasoning and how that'd all work. If you go solely from the numerical entries, you'll be super confused cause the games assume you've played the past and seen the foreshadowing to the next game and rarely elaborates on that fact. Lots of lore and characters that you're supposed to know and be interested in.
There are some things that aren’t canon like V-Cast or the novels and manga. As well as the trading card game and board game. Though I personally believe the novels should be canon they’re really good.
@@gameuniverse5973 The concert was more of a teaser. It was some dialogue the Kairi later has in 3 anyway so nothing is lost if you did not see the concert.
Yeah, it is pretty confusing until you realise that none of the games are spin-off games; there's a reason why they've rereleased all of these games in a collection for the PS4... besides Union X which is arguably the most important but I believe the game is now just a cutscene viewer so it's much easier to digest the story of it.
@@lukasruston8618 You are very correct. Just because they are not numbered titals does not mean they do not advance the story or provide important developments. At most Days was supposed to be a spin off that gave Roxas some more depth, but it helped him and his friends become so popular that Namora felt he had to bring them all back.
15:00 When explained chronologically, a lot of information can feel vital to know, but in reality the game is written in a way where you can understand the important parts of information even if you haven't played the previous games. "This is a Nobody, Roxas is a Nobody, Roxas is Sora's Nobody," And so on, until you pretty much get the big picture without ever playing the prequel game. Kingdom hearts 2 was my first kingdom hearts game, and by the end of it, eventhough I didn't know everything, I wasn't confused about anything either. (Well, not any more confused than the average kingdom hearts fan at least.)
@@LilacMonarch that was the vibe I got from the way the story was written. "Weird stuff is happening, what is going on?" is the overall vibe in the into. I imagine for people who played the first game, "why am I not playing as Sora?" And "Who is this?" Would've been intended to give similar vibes.
34:48 I’ve always seen this as more of a “multiverse” situation rather than time travel, bc like you’re right if there’s no Xehanort then there’s no Xemnas or Ansem (etc.) but if it’s a multiverse then all of them can still exist on one timeline… you feel me??
Actually, time travel has very specific rules outright stated throughout this series that fix the issues some people have with it; the people who time travel return to the exact moment in time they travelled from once defeated with no memory of what happened being the main one.
I'll try my best to explain how all of this works with KH time travel rules 1. Only hearts can travel through time and are pulled back to their original time after a while. 2. After the heart returns to their original time, all their memories from the other time are forgotten. 3. The organization put the time traveling hearts in replicas (fake bodies) to ensure they weren't pulled into their original times without being defeated. If I'm forgetting something, blame the ridiculous plot.
"That doesn't make any sense! These naming conventions are dumb!" That made me laugh. I thought the same thing when I played KH2, which introduced Nobodies. Don't get me wrong, I'm very fond of the series, but I was like "Wait. You remove a heart from a person, and the removed heart becomes a HEARTless, and the remaining BODY becomes a NO-BODY?" I really felt that the two names should've been switched, but they'd already established Heartless in KH1 and couldn't really change that.
Nobodies were introduced in updated Japanese versions KHI and were first introduced overseas in Chain of Memories on GBA. So that would be three years for JP and two years internationally of people already being introduced to Nobodies. Also you misunderstand, the Heartless are the darkness that consumes the heart and not the heart itself. Purebloods completely destroy the heart while the lab created Emblem Heartless cannot. Nobodies are empty husks but the heart has a big role in determining the appearance of the body thus they shouldn’t even exist yet they do anyway with special Nobodies retaining the form their heart gave them. Unless it’s multiple hearts which causes Roxas to look like Ven with Sora’s bone structure and Naminé to look like Kairi with Ven’s hair color.
29:39 I can’t believe you understood the mechanics of Heartless and Nobodies perfectly, but somehow when we were given a quick refresher, you managed to confuse yourself
I love seeing people react to the nonsense story of Kingdom Hearts. I love Kingdom Hearts, but oh boy did the writers just came up so much stuff on the spot while forgetting previous facts. Also to answer your question of if this is the end of the series, it isn't. The 3rd game is the end of Xehanort's story, but theres still a lot of unresolved stuff that was basically started in the mobile game which has so much more story than it should
Master of Masters didn't really call himself that but because he was literally the Master of the Foretellers, who were the masters of their union, he became known as so.
24:47 so here's what actually happened. Eraqus figures out Xehanort's plan is to summon the Ksai Blade by getting pure light and pure darkness to fight. This is why he created Vanitas. Eraqus realizes the only way to guarantee Xehanort's plan fails is to kill Roxas. He explains this and Ventus actually agrees to be killed to save Kingdom Hearts from Xehanort. Terra comes in at exactly the wrong time and kills Eraqus to save Ventus, but Ventus had agreed to partake in Eraqus' plan. Terra tried to save his friend and instead accidentally got his body stolen by the bad guy.
What's sad about this is that watching the cutscenes of all the games will probably give you the same amount of knowledge as watching this video if you don't remember what happens at all
29:45 that's a good question. Like how nobodies can grow hearts, heartless can grow bodies if they find their way to the light. Sora found the light through Kiari. He wasn't really a somebody, just an abnormally complete heartless. There are no other examples of this, so I guess take it with a grain of salt.
The Xehanort saga IS over, but the effects of his legacy are still felt, especially in memory... it does seem fitting. A guy does That Much, his impact doesn't simply vanish because he's finally dead.
So fun fact there's norse mythology references in Kingdom hearts. Words literally being the world tree, parts of stories being used in certain games, character names, and events all referencing the Norse Lore. And I would like to point out that the Game Dream Dropped Distance has a reference to norse myths. In the form of the Armor Ventus Nightmare boss battle. Which is in reference to the story of Sigurd and the Valkyrie Byrnhildr. Where Sigurd went to awaken Byrn from her slumber and had to deal with the flames surrounding the Valkyrie and use his weapon to remove the armor that is slowly covering her body. This is referenced when Riku had to fight the Armor Ventus Nightmare. So pretty much Ventus' armor was on Sora and was using fire Magic. Please note that Sigurd and Byrnhildr got married. And that Sigurd had at some point lost his memories of his wife and got killed by her when she was going on a rampage. So the entire story of Sigurd and Byrnhildr doesn't gets 100% referenced in Kingdomo Hearts with Riku and Sora. But I wouldn't be surprised if one of them dies after experiencing memory loss.
Roxas having a heart in Sora despite Nobodies "not having a heart" is because Roxas actually did! Nobodies start with no heart, but very, VERY important, lore-changing information is explained in DDD that a heart can regrow after separation the 'first chance' the body feels strongly enough like it should feel emotion. So by the time he schmorps back into Sora, Roxas has a heart uniquely his own. Xemnas basically gaslighted everyone into thinking they don't and can't have hearts to try and make the process of making everyone have Xehanort's heart easier. Other Nobodies, like Axel and Naminé, also had their hearts return throughout the series; Axel in particular was showing given his friendship with Roxas and Xion and a line from Chain of Memories where Axel realizes he's having genuine fun and excitement watching Sora fight, something that was considered impossible at the time by the story's established lore before it was confirmed 8 years later.
Uh tldr on the relevant time travel rules, when you time travel you only send your heart, not your body (you have to have a spare body prepped for you in the time period you're going to), and when you die in a different time you just get sent back to the time you came from with no memories.
I have been playing the kingdom hearts series since it came to pc, and I looked up a guide on the release order of games, as well as the recommended play order. It definitely helped me understand what was happening in the story.
13:53 I'll sum it up better: Xion was the result of a puppet, filled with some of Sora's memories, his REAL ones, and was a failsafe in case Roxas went rouge. Roxas later on kills her, those memories return to Sora who's sleeping atm, and everyone forgets she existed
The beauty of Kingdom Hearts 2. At the end of the intro you kind of learn to love and appreciate Roxas. Having spend a good couple hours accompanying the developement of his charakter, learning what he truly is, having to come to terms with it. And eventually accepting that he has to go, for Sora to come back. And at least for me, I've gone from "Gimme back Sora" to "Gimme back Roxas" He's by far my most favorite charakter, in my most favorite franchise (sowwy, pokemon only second to it). And 358/2 days adds alot of new insight to Roxas, as well as many other things. Highly recommended to play it after Kingdom Hearts 2.
The thing about Kingdom Hearts is that it's something you have to experience rather than watch a video about. My friend finished the entire series and he absolutely loved it
Pat is hysterical to watch these for because he gets invested enough to react with genuine force to everything that happens and also bizarrely seems to understand stuff enough to plausibly predict what's coming. Love it.
Nami is frequently helpful and necessary for naval travel, Kairi could literally be replaced with a macguffin like the Pulp Fiction suitcase and the plot wouldn't change.
When i rewatch this, i realized there's another video with a MUCH more detail, logic, & actual sense soooooo maybe watch that sometimes (it's 3 hours though)
funny thing of note. kairi actually does a thing in the DLC that explains what happens at the end a bit better. (and she's like. twice as powerful as sora is.)
See, it's not enough to have someone TELL you about Kingdom Hearts. You have to experience it for yourself to understand why it's such an amazing game. It makes (barely) more sense when you've seen everything happen in game. Yes the story is incredibly complicated, but it's still amazing all the same
The key blade vs x-blade stuff works because KH has subtitles always on (idk if you can even turn them off) and I still firmly believe it is entirely Donald Duck’s fault lmao So you can quickly check the subtitles to see if they’re talking about keyblades or THE x-blade lol
Heartless are much more complicated than that. There are actually two different types of hearless. Pure heartless that are actually beings with no hearts from the realm of darkness, and then artificial heartless which are created when a person's heart falls into darkness. Artificial heartless are primarily the ones being described in the video.
Not really, Heartless are more the darkness of the heart itself. Purebloods don’t even have Hearts at all. Only the Emblem Heartless made in laboratories actually release them upon their destruction.
I don't know why I feel the need to explain the Roxas joining Sora thing but Roxas was in the computer simulation dealing with a crisis of feeling like nothing was real then after a boat load of hours of gameplay he finds out that he is living in a computer simulation and finds a way to exit where he meets up with Sora and says his famous lines "Looks like my summer vacation is over." and Sora awakens along with Donald and Goofy, Sora then goes and starts Dripping real hard in his new outfit once he meets with a bunch of fairies.
He forgot the biggest twist of them all that wasn't mentioned in the video. We all know it. The one from Union Cross. The twist that: The main character of the game, the one we play as, is in fact, Xehanort, essentially making all of us Xehanort. Yeah.
20:13 it has to do with the special connection formed when Kairi's Heart hid inside Sora. Naminé was finally born from Kairi's Heart (which couldn't become a Heartless because she's a princess or whatever) and Sora's newly heartless body, but since Naminé was born at the same time as Roxas, she didn't have Sora's body to base herself on. So despite being a Nobody, she ironically lacks a body (which is what you would expect of a Nobody). The only reason Kairi's Heart was able to become its own separate thing was because Naminé was already being formed at the time, since Kairi's Heart separated from her body all the way back on Destiny Islands.
“If you just rolled up into KH2 after beating KH1 wouldn’t you just be confused.” Yes you perfectly explained one of 2 reasons why Kingdom Hearts is the most confusing series. 1. The series claims games like Chain of Memories as a side project, but you kill half of the Organization 13 in that game. 2. All the retcons don’t work to make the story more sensical, and all the problems it created when Sora released his heart.
Not really retcons at all. All of them are foreshadowed or even outright stated. Some knew about Nobody’s in KHI, some of us me included knew about Xehanort’s true intentions from KHIII in BBS, and I guarantee you many people would not be surprised if Axel and Saïx’s old friend Subject X turns out to be Shulk.
@@calebgoodman3028 Xemnas as a secret boss, the last 3 Ansem Reports, and the CG trailer was added into the Final Mix version which was put into production after getting the green light to continue the series. The scene with Kairi was before that confirmation and thus before most of the planning for the future of the series. This is why KH1’s base game had a rather vague ending about them finding Pluto and running off. That ending was there as a starting point if ever it got a sequel. Most directors for both films and games do this type of stuff. So no the Nobody’s weren’t even thought about until they started to make the Final Mix. It’s also pretty apparent which reports were added in the Final Mix version because reports 1-10 only mentioned the Keyblade once and is more focused on the Heartless. Like they literally gloss over the body disappearing in one of the early reports and don’t mention it again until the ones added into Final Mix. Also Report 10 ended with Ansem saying he’ll cast himself into the darkness and would then it’s assumed he turned into a Heartless pretty some after, only for him to back track and say he doesn’t know how to cast himself into darkness quite yet in Report 11 and then say he’s searching for the Keyblade User. Report 12 is the first time he ever references anything in between Light and Darkness, and 13 is the first time he’s ever been concerned about the body. KH1 was an experiment by Square and Disney which originally was only planned to be a one off, but after it’s success they wanted a sequel.
@@loganbreau882 Final Mix was released the same year as the Japanese release of the original and Nobodies are the main villains of Chain of memories which were released two years before KH2. Yes they weren’t included but they were definitely thought of. In fact BBS was thought of during KHII’s production thanks to concept art. As a storyteller myself I know how important it is to have projects planned even if they don’t see the light of day.
@@calebgoodman3028 alright then explain how Kairi was a motionless husk for the entirety of the game despite Nobody’s being “planned out” and the way to create a nobody is to remove the Heart from the body. In KH1 Kairi is the only ever example of a Nobody not being created when someone loses their Heart. Also give me an example from before FM that even teased the possibility of a Nobody. The only examples I’ve seen is from FM which is either a wall of text or the CG cutscene which is fair to say took most of the 8 months and 28 days. Most of the added cutscenes are either completely silent or reuses and mashes lines said at other parts of the games.
@@loganbreau882 Quite simple really. She didn’t have a Heartless. She couldn’t make one either due to being a Princess of Heart thus darkness could not touch her with the closest thing to her having a Heartless is Sora’s Heartless. Yes Sora is very much aligned with the light however keyblade wielders can be either. Yes you could argue and say Leon’s comment that every heart has darkness but Maleficent in same game also says the Princesses of Heart do not have darkness and I am more inclined to believe her as she walks the edge of darkness without becoming consumed which is a key plot point in future games. Leon and the others only have stories passed down from Radiant Garden to go on so they wouldn’t know as much as she does. Kairi isn’t the only one with this situation as Ven had the exact same condition. His situation is the same as hers since he didn’t make a Heartless rather his heart influenced the appearances of Roxas and Naminé due to Sora fusing parts of his heart with his as a child. I don’t know if Ven has the same heart of light as a Princess of Heart at this point since his darkness was forcibly extracted but the point is he can’t have a Nobody as he doesn’t have a Heartless. They make a big point about this in KH2.
I know too much about the lore of kingdom hearts (since i grew up with it at the age of 6) that its kinda inplanted into my brain, and just watching this i kept thinking "can i just... explain it to you myself? PLEASE?"
Roxas and Xion were originally meant to stay dead but fans loved them so much they had to bring them back so yeah we have no one to blame but ourselves. Nomura had to change things a lot to meet fan demand and the fact he practically encourages theories makes things complicated.
Yes they were but the decision to bring them back was around DDD giving plenty of time to set it up Beacuse DDD set both of them up for coming back and you cant tell me nomura still hadn't made his decision by then
@@ShirouBrando True. It’s also the reason Riku got his hair cut, despite being sent to the past before the events of getting the new clothes. Again, the inconsistencies there are our fault.
@@calebgoodman3028 the hair cut one is really dumb also who wanted short hair riku again?!? The long hair was soo much better At least nomura has said there are some things that he wont change so hopefully it doesn't get too bad with fan interaction
Most of the story error are retcons, like the scene where sora turns into a heartless , he doesnt create a nobody because that concept only appeared in Kh2, but in KH2 they retcon that , so sora does great a nobody but he only appears at KH2
Everyone who got into kindom harts recently: I have some very strange thoughts lately, is any of this for Real or not? For some reason, I love seeing others people, outside the kh Fandom, get vierd looks of how complicated and convoluted the kh plot is.
KH lore expert here. This summary is absolutely not good enough. Some of it is even misinformation. Bad summaries like this are WHY newcomers think KH is more confusing than it actually is. Honestly, the key to understanding KH lore really boils down to 2 things. 1. Play the games for yourself, don't watch a half-baked summary. 2. Don't overthink every little thing. It's mostly just "power of friendship vs edgy boomers: the game".
Worst part of the series is that it has the sheer-shitting temerity to have regular, numbered games, WHEN ALL OF THE GAMES ARE MAINLINE AND PLOT-CRUCIAL. THERE ARE NO SPINOFFS OR SIDE GAMES. The only distinguishing feature of KH1/2/3 is that theyre on proper consoles, and not handheld. Its infuriating
Hahaha no Ansem the Wise wasn’t all that good he cut open bodies both living and dead and experimented on children. He had a change of heart after learning what his research would do to all existence but Xehanort continued in secret.
I'm so glad you decided to take the plunge and jump into the rabbit hole that is Kingdom Hearts. Yeah, the story can be a bit "messy" to say the least, but it always makes me giddy watching people who never played a single KH game to watch summary videos and end up getting the narrative down...somewhat at-least. Hopefully, you might try the games one day and enjoy the gameplay that they have to offer.
Sora didn’t return to being a Somebody until fusing with Roxas. He was essentially a Heart given form thanks to Kairi. There were times in battle he could tap into a Heartless-like form, which I think is because of this.
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"I know less now about Kingdom Hearts than I thought I knew when I started." Yeah, I know. I'm sorry.
The best thing you can do with kingdom hearts lore, is not play it.
It’s definitely one of those series that makes sense when you play it but there’s so much information to keep track of one mistake can mess up the whole thing.
@@calebgoodman3028 Well there's also the fact that the canonical order is a clusterfuck
@@A.Z.296 I am actually fine with it. There were enough things in the games where I was able to see what they’d do next. I remember people being upset about Xehanort’s motivations in III. I saw that twist happening since BBS and that was my first KH game. The order is crazy, especially since every game ends on a cliffhanger but at this point it’s more like “oh so that explains it” rather than “where did this come from” you know what I mean? Even the title 358/2 Days makes perfect sense to me now.
@@calebgoodman3028 Well I've only played through RE:Coded and 358/2 days completely, I gave up on 3 before the final Xehanort fight because I couldn't fucking select Rage mode, I played through the first 10 minutes of 1 and then I just gave up on the franchise
It should be noted that Sora and Roxas could exist at the same time because Sora's body after becoming human again was essentially created through Kairi using her powers of light. So Sora was incomplete in that he was kinda just a heart walking around in a suit of light.
So basically that means, as both a princess of heart and keyblade wielder, kairi has the power to project light constructs of other people she touches (cause she was hugging sora). Like she could also create light duplicates of herself to fight in tandem. I don't know, it's just an idea.
@@redshepherd32 Not likely, since its more that she used her light to form something more akin to a replica that Sora's heart could fit into. Likely without a heart to form around she would not be able to creat full on constructs of other people. And it is also likely to note that she only able to do this because of the specific bond her and Sora share.
@@bluesnake4626 And that is why he dissapears?
Because he is giving his body for her heart to inhabit, and now he is just gone?
Like, how Kairi was a heart with no body?
This f*cking series man...
@@pedromiret9195 Sora originally disappears because his body and heart fall to darkness as a byproduct of releasing Kairi’s heart. At that time Sora’s body went off to go become Roxas and his heart became the little shadow that ends up fallowing Kairi. Kairi’s body on the other hand was already near bye for her heart to return to. Kairi’s body never disappeared because she is a princess of heart and has no darkness for her body to have fallen into.
@@bluesnake4626 But then how is Naminé created?
In Kingdom Hearts, you’re either *a* Sora, *a* Xehanort, or a Disney character
Or you're riku
@@chriskoloski32 who at some point was a Xehanort
TRUE
Or your kairi
@@tytydino who’s was a part of Sora in the first game
Honestly, the wildest part of Kingdom Hearts to me is the fact that a game series this old and with this many installments has no spin-off games. Oh sure, it has games that _seem_ like spinoffs, and arguably should be, but in reality *every single one* is plot-critical. The DS remake of a Japanese-only mobile phone game whose plot Nomura literally wrote while drunk? Its ending resolves the cliffhanger that KH2 left on for half a decade. The other DS game that seemingly only exists for additional Roxas angst? Hope you remembered that new girl we introduced, because otherwise a big chunk of KH3 won't make much sense! Want to know where Sora ended up after KH3's ending? Play this _rhythm game_ for about 12 hours and maybe we'll tell you! The browser-and-smartphone-exclusive MMO set thousands of years in the past? *Fuck you, we put like half the lore in there!*
that's basically it. yeah. All (officially licensed?) games in any form have relevant lore and either you try and gather it yourself or spend more than a third of a literal day sorting through lore explained to you by somebody who has managed to do so.
kingdom hearts vcast (:
Can you please tell me which mobile games I need to play to get the whole story? I played all of the KH recently, but didn't touch any of the mobile games. I've tried looking at videos of just the cutscenes, but I'm really confused about which are which. Union Cross, Dark Road and all the others whose names I forgot.
@@tomaspeixinho4447 Union Cross is discontinued, Everglow has a great video of all the cutscenes with explanations, same for dark road which is currently unplayable until the final update drops (supposedly this month) those are the only two important mobile games currently released. There’s also missing link which enters closed beta(?) at some point this year.
union cross follows the super long ago stuff, dark road covers xehanort’s (and eraqus’ past)
To explain the keyblade, it was supposed to be Riku’s in the first place but his corruption when he unwittingly opened the Door to Darkness caused it to go to Sora instead.
If he didn't get it when he was corrupted, then why did it go to him once he was possessed by Ansem?
@@ECODKyleskymast At that moment Riku’s heart was stronger so he was able to reclaim it. By that point Sora has seen his goal ripped away from him multiple times and he lost faith. It’s when he kept trying even after his lowest point and reaffirmed himself that he was able to win it back.
It's a bit more specific than that. According to Nomura, when Sora was reaching out to Riku through the darkness, he'd touched Riku's light which caused the Keyblade to temporarily transfer to him. Riku was able to take it back twice with no issue because it was still rightfully his, but when Sora had demonstrated his strength of heart, the Keyblade fully transferred over to him.
@@thedothackerkeyblademaster True. I am aware but didn’t feel like going into too much detail.
Technically riku was the only one who was actually 'chosen' to be a keyblade weilder. Sora got the keyblade because ventus' heart was sleeping inside his at the time. Kairi only ever gets a keyblade because even aqua saved her as a child kairi accidentally touched aquas keyblade and kinda 'imprinted' with it to become her successor the way that riku was meant to become terra's successor.
"If you just go from KH1 to KH2, aren't you missing a lot of information?"
YES. YES YOU ARE.
I started with playing 2 instead of 1 xD It was still a lot of fun but there's a lot of 'just roll with it' to fill in the gaps lol
it's even worse from 2 to 3
you have to play like 9 games to understand everything
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I wouldn't blame someone for skipping from 1 to 2 back in the day, cause Chain of Memories was a GBA game between Play Station games.
But like if you chose to skip from 2 to 3 even tho it was like a decades worth of games than that kinda of you bro.
I started KH3 first because I couldn't find the other games
Was dying when patterz basically predicted the entire game
I think you mean entire franchise
I think the funny thing is that he was 100% accurate spot on.
The funniest part is at 54:40 where he finally realizes that he now knows less than when he started
Which is 100% relatable
He did? I only know the part when he predicted that the characters would turn into organisation XIII but they were already showed earlier.
But the one thing he did probably guess right is that nobody dies lel.
Honestly as somewhat straightforward KH is, the crappy logic of the story makes it somewhat unpredictable too
I'm in tears over it...
For age reference, Sora and Kairi are 14 in KHI (15 in KH2, 4 in Birth by Sleep), and Riku is a year older. There's also a couple minor details that are wrong. Terra made braig lose his eye much earlier in BBS, not Aqua. Sora and Kairi are the only ones who existed while their nobodies did.
Which makes sense since Sora and Kairi’s nobodies were formed from a combination of theirs and Ventus’ heart that was also in Sora at the time. Also I could have sworn the guide book thingies that came with either KH1 or KH2 claimed Sora was 16, but I guess it doesn’t really matter and I’m probably wrong.
also terra did defeat his teacher but didnt kill him, xenahord did
The best part of the Disney stuff in Kingdom Hearts 3 was Woody trash talking one of the Xehanorts and I love it.
best line in the whole game
Don't forget Monsters Inc Sully yeeting Vanitas, being of pure darkness, into a door
@@EdgeLifeMatters Woody's line is best line in the game, Sully's action is best action in the game.
You know Xehanort cried after that.
What's your reaction now after Dark Road ending ?
One of the details he missed is that the Kingdom Hearts in KHI and KHII were artificial. The one in BBS and III is the real one. The other two were still threats and needed to be destroyed though.
KHI was the door to kingdom hearts/darkness, not the actual kingdom hearts I thought
@@davidcline0809 in kh1 it was the door of "a" kingdom hearts formed, a collection of world's hearts fallen together. In kh2 it was due to the destruction and release of enough hearts from heartless to form another "artifical kingdom hearts". The door in kh2 is just given to sora Riku and the gang in order to stop xemnas ie a big threat to all the worlds in kh2. Like doco mentioned Bbs and 3 (as well as union) was the real kingdom hearts. Bbs was partially complete because the xblade ie the key to kh wasnt fully complete. In union cross it's from unions and their leaders collecting light (lux) from defeating heartless, and thus they began fighting over the light. The xblade itself was broken into 7 parts of light and 13 of darkness (ie why kh1 had 7 princesses of light), why organization 13 has "13" members, and what xehanort needed to do. All the attempts at unlocking kingdom hearts before kh3 ended up as failures but xehanort still learned and prepped for multiple long term goals. From body napping Terra, and trying to posess Riku, and all the time travel crap XD. I think I over explained but ya 😅😅the end goal that officially worked for xehanort was getting the 7 guardians of light to flash with the 13 darknesses (making all 13 keys to form the xblade). I think that's all 😂
When xemnas and ansem were destroyed BOTH Terra and Xehanort were restored, but Terra was more like a husk and Xehanort just possessed him again on sight. That's why both exist.
On that note, I'm surprised the videos didn't mention Lingering Will at all. Helps to explain the whole Terra and Terranort stuff.
Funnily enough, Ansem seeker of darkness actually calls out Ansem the wise on all his ethically questionable experiments.
More like Mackey talked to ansem the wise telling him that his reacearch into hearts could lead to some bad stuff but teranort wants to continue in secret
@@XeroBuster No, seriously, in KH3, Ansem SoD reprimands Ansem for his foolhardy search for knowledge, and some of his more sinister experiments, specifically, ones done on a girl who went missing and is still unknown iirc.
When it comes to KH, it’s easy to look at it from the outside and go ‘wtf is this?’, but it’s actually pretty consistent with in their lore: maybe a bit convoluted, but consistent.
NoveZone’s retrospective series did a pretty good job explaining it in broad strokes.
It is definitely not consistent. Even in the first game it has inconsistencies. Like how Kairi gets sent back to Destiny Islands despite the fact that everyone is supposed to be sent back to their *original* worlds.
Edit: I wanna add that we can't even use the retcon reason excuse (which is the primary cause of most of the inconsistencies) because even if it's not explicitly said which world Kairi is originally from it's still implied that Kairi came from another world. Hell I'm pretty sure it's one of the main motivation for why the gang is building a raft at the start.
@@Abyzz_Knight True, the main motivation for the raft was the Kairi coming from another world. But, also, is it returning to their original world or returning to their home because I would say Kairi's home is Destiny Island; there can be many reasons why: Kairi doesn't really remember Radiant Gardens, so Destiny Islands is the place she remembers as home. Memories and hearts go together a lot within the series.
@@XxSherlockianHeroxX we are explicitly told that everyone will be sent back to "where they came from" and literally everyone except Kairi gets sent back to their original worlds. We literally see so (in KH2) in the cases of all the Final Fantasy characters that are originally from Hollow Bastion, Beast, Belle, Jasmine, and Mushu. There's nothing suggesting that the characters will be sent to wherever they view as home. Kairi not being sent back to the world she came from is an inconsistency.
@@Abyzz_Knight This isn't an inconsistency, it's a misinterpretation. Nomura addressed this in the KH1 Ultimania:
"---After everything is done, Kairi is left on Destiny Islands, but why did she not go back to Hollow Bastion?
Nomura: Yes. I’m going to be a little blunt here, but I said within the book the reason why. The princesses told Sora, “We will be able to return to our respective worlds before they disappeared.” Kairi disappeared from Destiny Islands, so she returned there. Since she was physically moved from Hollow Bastion to Destiny Islands, she did not disappear from there."
In the context of that scene with the princesses, the princesses are referring to their original worlds, because that's where they were at the moment the darkness took them. Kairi was not in her original world when the darkness took her, she was on Destiny Island so she went back there. It's the same logic behind when a person is recompleted after their Heartless and Nobody are destroyed, they'll reform at the location they originally became a Heartless, unless that location is not available for some reason.
The "original world" phrasing in the game was probably just a flowery way of saying "home world", that got misinterpreted as literal, when that was not the intention.
P.S. Also, we see the Final Fantasy characters return to Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden in KH1, BEFORE the worlds were restored so them being there in KH2 isn't evidence of that point.
@@thedothackerkeyblademaster "The princesses told Sora "we will be able to return to our respective worlds before they disappeared." Kairi disappeared from Destiny Islands so she returned there"
But Agrabah and Wonderland never disappeared yet Jasmine and Alice got sent back to their original worlds. Hollow Bastion also didn't disappear either yet all of the people originally from there including the people that weren't currently at Hollow Bastion by the end of the game were back at Hollow Bastion. The only exception being Kairi.
"The princesses are referring to their original worlds because that's where they were at the moment the darkness took them"
But Alice and Jasmine weren't taken by darkness because their worlds were never consumed,they were kidnapped. In Jasmine's case we even know that it was specifically Riku that kidnapped her.
"P.S. Also, we see the Final Fantasy characters return to Hollow Bastion/Rafsanjani Garden in KH2, BEFORE the worlds were restored"
Not all of them. Cloud and Sephiroth are never shown to have returned before the worlds are restored.
Edit: forgot to add that the quote I used, the full quote being "everyone will go back to where they came from" came from Yuffie, not the princesses.
"YOURE XEHANORT (Old Man Xehanort), YOURE XEHANORT (Xemnas), YOURE XEHANORT (Young Xehanort) AND YOURE XEHANORT (Ansem), ARE THERE ANY OTHER XEHANORTS I SHOULD KNOW OF?!" *Master of Masters stands at the sidelines*
The player avatar from the mobile game would’ve been better as it’s confirmed they reincarnated into the first Xehanort.
@@calebgoodman3028 alas, that was only a red herring as the player character was reincarnated into (potentially) the new player character of the upcoming mobile game who was the blue robed guy who raised Xehanort on Destiny Islands 🙃
@@tobex6626 Yep true. Honestly though I like it better that way as it flows into Missing Link more smoothly. Though the initial idea was pretty neat.
The "big car" keyblade is very much real and it replaced one of the better keyblade designs in the franchise.
Honestly like Riku's new keyblade much more...
It's his Kingdom Key that you won't miss by using keychains
There's actually things all the way from Kingdom Hearts II that suggest there was something more to Xigbar...so it was a very fun reveal.
Xion was made using the *real* memories of Sora, not the fake ones Naminé was blackmailed into creating.
To add on the video kinda made it seem like they made xion as a replica of sora when in reality it's just a puppet/vessel. Sora's memories of kairi (after his memory being fucked with) ended up transferring from roxas into xion as xemnas says "shaping it into her(him?)", stalling the process of sora awakening but also allowing xemnas to make a copy of sora if enough memories and moveset are removed from roxas (roxas was losing energy as xion gained it).I know kingdom hearts fans know this but the video kinda made it weirdly explained as if xion is a perfect duplicate to sora (which at one point it is, end of 358 with the epic evil sora in org 13 cloak) xD
As much as I adore Kingdom Hearts, literally my favorite series, it is very hard to get a summary of just because how over the place it seems when you go from a quick story point to a quick story point. One of those games where you cant really be told the story and more of one you absorb over time.
I mean, I feel like Monty Zander's lore dump videos do a pretty good job (very underrated channel btw)
@@lukasruston8618 Oh I completely agree. Just more like one of those games you gotta experience I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Also what's funny is people claim the series is "complicated" but it is not.. it just is convoluted and sometimes wacky.. like I marathoned the whole series all in a row and the story was pretty easy to grasp because everything was still in recent memory.. I just think people don't play some of the games for years after they came out so they are hazy on stuff and just think the story is this crazy web of plots when.. it's all just given to you (for the most part)
@@BaconNuke huh we have a game that takes place in the future but it also in the past
As Birth by Sleep was my introduction to Kingdom Hearts I must clear up a lot of things that was incorrect here.
1. Ventus had amnesia due to the trauma of the incident where Xehanort RIPPED the darkness out of Ven’s heart.
2. That event left Ven in a comatose state and Xehanort decided to dump him off in Destiny Islands, where Ven’s fractured heart, meets Sora’s (most likely baby) heart who restore’s Ven’s heart.
3. This is kinda silly, but apparently the reason why Vanitas resembles Sora is because, Sora used his heart to heal the hole in Ven’s heart left behind by Vanitas and that connection influences what Vanitas looks like.
4. Terra killed Master Eraqus because Eraqus was trying to kill Ventus and Terra was just protecting him. His heart was released as he died and went into Terra (like how Kairi’s heart went into Sora in KH1)
5. The X-blade forged in the clash between Ven and Van was incomplete due to the fact that Ven wasn’t seven lights and Van wasn’t thirteen darknesses. It still held considerable power.
6. Terra was ‘Norted at the same time Ven became the “X-Blade”.
7. Terra was also the one that gave Xigbar (Braig/Luxu) the scar and eye damage not Aqua
8. The reason why Terranort was an amnesiac is because, while Xehanort was able to take over Terra’s body, Terra’s Will inhabited Terra’s armor and beat Terranort soundly. While it did not bring Terra back, it put a dent in Xehanort’s plans, at least for a while.
9. The reason why Ven fell into a deep sleep was because he destroyed his own heart to destroy the “X-blade” a feat that should have killed him, but a lifeboat of sorts came in the form of Sora who already shared a connection with Ven (Refer to correction #2). Ven’s heart was able to piece itself back together over the course of the 10+ years sheltered in Sora’s heart.
10. Sora and Riku were 4 and 5 respectively when Terra and Aqua saw them on Destiny Islands. Kairi was 4 when she met Aqua
11. Terra bequeathed his Keyblade to Riku which was how he was able to wield one in the first place. Kairi was bequeathed Aqua’s Keyblade by accident. It’s called Bequeathing but they don’t actually lose their Keyblades after. It’s just a way for Keyblade Wielders to add to their ranks. The requirements are that the potential Keyblade wielder posses a strong heart and that the Keyblade glows (if accidental) or if the Keyblade does not automatically return to it’s wielder after they pass it to the potential Keyblade wielder. Going by this logic, Captain Jack Sparrow cannot be a Keyblade Wielder.
12. Aqua beats Terranort soundly and during the course of the fight he opens a portal to the realm of darkness. After he’s defeated, Terranort falls into the portal and Aqua dives in after him and sacrifices herself thinking she’s saved Terra.
Now for some corrections not from BBS…
Sora was not chosen by the Keyblade. Sure he had a Keyblade wielder in his heart, but that was not a free pass for him. It was originally Riku’s, but as he was consumed by darkness the night they left the Destiny Islands, the Keyblade went to the nearest heart filled with light. Riku was able to call the Keyblade back to him in Hollow Bastion due to it being his by default, but Sora was able to claim it back by showing the true strength of his Heart.
Replicas basically clones. They are existences created to be as close to human as possible by Vexen, which are then given hearts via Memory, Time Travel, Power of Awakening. They’re basically a way to give someone who exists without a body, a body. See; Nobodies that have formed hearts and established their existence *cough* Roxas, Naminè, Xion *cough*, Heartless and Nobodies previously defeated and certain Old Codgers who like to game the system by supplementing the forces of darkness with multiple versions of himself
As a fan of Kingdom Hearts, I do appreciate that video, but part of me also wants to give Patterrz a full explanation that’s more coherent so he can actually understand what’s going on, lol
Yeah, this is basically a really scuffed version of telephone. Someone who knows nothing about Kingdom Hearts is getting an explanation of the story by someone else who doesn’t know anything about Kingdom Hearts. Who is getting his information from notes by someone who’s played the games but might not remember everything that’s happened.
god i love barry's video so much so glad someone sent it to you! he also has vods of the making of this video, as well as him playing through a few of the games too! they're a good time, highly recommend
I also recommend watching the in game cutscenes for some moments, they're pretty epic. Xemnas boss fight in KHII is particularly good, as well as Xions death.
First explaination: Seven hours
Second: About thirty minutes
Patterz: 24 seconds
Starting to feel like a speedrun around here.
Heartless is a misnomer. It was named by people who didn't understand it. Patterz, you were right. But it's easy if you remember that a Heartless isn't a person turned dark. It's just darkness capturing a person's heart like a living pokeball. A heartless will collect hearts to power itself up, but it just feeds on the energy, it doesn't use the heart for heart stuff. So it lacks a functional heart
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I know this is all confusing and makes no damn sense, but they literally JUST explained what the Power of Waking is. It's the ability to un-jelly his jam and deal with all the extra hearts he has, like what he did with Kairi in KH1, but without having to poke his soft underbelly and turn into a bug.
Come on, man! Pay attention!
It also apparently has the power to go back in time and cheat death, though the drawback to that is the equivalent of getting Thanos snapped
Funnily enough that's just a side of the Power of Waking. It's real purpose is to make portals by connecting Hearts, it just so happens to be able to drag Hearts out of the Realm of Death as well it's just doing so is spitting in God's face.
You're bound to miss some when this much info is thrown at you at record speed
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I was making a joke but ok
@@McBehrer I know
Okay so, as somebody who has basically has infinite knowledge on stuff that nobody ever needs to know about Kingdom Hearts, I can explain some stuff that you were confused about (mostly because Barry's friend didn't really clearly explain it to him);
About the whole time travel paradox thing, basically, with every character who has time travelled, when they die, they don't really die, their grip on that time period slips away and they're sent back to the exact moment in time they came from with absolutely no memory of what happened.
Union X is actually probably the most important game in the series but it's understandable why Barry didn't go into much detail because the game literally wasn't finished at the time.
Most of the characters in the series actually do have a genuine reason as to how they avoid death when they absolutely should've died which is actually explained in earlier games most of the time (Like how Roxas is given a replica and the memories from the data Twilight Town and how Ventus' heart was just sleeping inside of Sora's and the whole point of Dream Drop was for Sora to obtain the Power of Waking to save him, etc)
It isn't brought up throughout this video but the reveal of Xigbar being Luxu was actually heavily foreshadowed to people who knew what to look for... basically he was just being super shady the whole time, knowing sayings that absolutely are well before his time, throughout the entirety of KH3, he's also looking for the Master's black box but isn't telling anybody why, etc.
There's probably more I could clarify but I'll leave it at this for now.
That's one thing I didn't get. Why did he even have to look for it in the first place? It never left his side after the MoM gave it to him, though he did stay in the distance to watch the Keyblade War so he might've gotten separated in the aftermath...
@@sethporter9066 He probably hid it so he didn't have to carry it around all the time when he was acting as Braig/Xigbar. If he would've been carrying that thing everywhere he went, somebody was bound to question it and, knowing some people in the organisation, open it which Luxu was explicitly told not to do. Any amount of things could've happened for him to not know its location; he could've simply forgotten where he put it after so many years, we know the Master of Masters was kicking around still so he could've moved it because he knew that somebody would find it before Luxu came back to it, Maleficent states that the box won't even exist until the Keyblade War is complete so for all we know, Luxu could've thrown it into the other side of reality (long story for those of you who don't know) where MoM himself could've been protecting it until Luxu was available to carry it with him again. There's really not enough information to know for certain right now but I'm willing to bet that it will be clarified in KH4.
@@lukasruston8618 Actually really happy to see someone as knowledgeable about the lore of KH like me. But I've Always had this question lingering in my head, and maybe it's because I haven't really kept up with the lore as much as I needed to:
Wasn't Luxu's role is to not only to keep the contents of the box closed until its time to do so, and to also watch everything unfold with The MoM's Keyblade "No Name" just for the Book of Prophecies to be written?
Also (And please correct me if I'm wrong, it has been awhile🤣) but I remember that the Union X Gang assembled once again being called by Luxu (Confirmed to be Braig/Xigbar) and actually didn't recognized him as first, being told that he looks different from last time they've seen him. I remembered that Luxu's Heart went from Vessel to Vessel while events unfolded, being an Ally to the one who holds his Keyblade. Which makes sense being that Xehanort was in possession of No Name, and Xigbar was the one closes to him during the KH games, even being promised to have No Name in his care once everything is over and done with.
So Luxu from the first time we seen of him (And how the Union X Gang remembered him) is completely different now with Xigbar assuming Luxu's Identity and purpose, hence Ira questioning if That's really "Luxu"
Again this Lore is just so so awesome with everything we talk about with this series, but if im wrong please let me know!😁👍🏾
@@jayg613 You got everything right there, the only thing is that if Luxu was dragging this box around with him everywhere he went then people would start to question it and why he was so dead set on protecting it... that would probably cause some complications so instead, Luxu just hid the box... until people started looking for it anyways. From here, it's either presumed that the way that Luxu hid the box made it so that even HE didn't know where it was or that he knew where it was hidden but he just did something to it that would ensure it would only appear at a certain time and he was just claiming to not know where it was to keep his identity hidden... honestly, it could be either one but we really don't know by this point in the story.
When Xemnas would give new members of Organization a new name involving the Recusant's Sigil, he would use his power to manipulate that which is normally without form to manifest the name of their Somebody as a representation of their psyche. He would then scramble the letters of that name and stamp the Recusant's Sigil somewhere in the mix. He was placing Xehanort's personal mark/tracking device on the Nobody's manifested identity. That's why having the Recusant's Sigil as part of their name was enough to track them.
Xehanort returned as an old man because when a person's Heartless and Nobody are destroyed, the original person is reformed from the heart released when the Heartless was destroyed.
In Birth By Sleep when Xehanort in Terra's body pointed his Keyblade at himself, what was happening is that Terra was interfering with Xehanort when Xehanort was trying to attack Aqua. Xehanort turned his Keyblade on Terra's body, and turned Terra's heart into a Heartless without expelling it from his body, resulting in a unique type of Heartless bound to Xehanort's shadow.
Keyblades are like Lightsabers because in the prequels, there were so many wielders, but in the present, there are very little keyblade wielders.
The kingdom hearts lore is simple, it is just very extensive and parts of it we haven't known it yet
It doesn't help there's retcons all over the place, so it really isn't so simple if you are a first timer going in.
@@Aaaa-g6u8e Then show a retcon then, because literally it is straight forward as a arrow.
The only thing confusing or mysterious is things related to the lost masters and in between the new mobile game and the present games in the timeline, because we don't got much info on them
@@Aaaa-g6u8e Retcons? I didn’t see any when I played the games as nearly everything was foreshadowed. I mean there were stuff I predicted about Xehanort’s so called retconned motivation back in BBS on PSP. My first KH game nonetheless.
@@calebgoodman3028 oh, yeah, playing Bbs first kills any twist whatsoever of the other games, if you played in release order
@@Joan-jq5ho Not really. I was unaware of Heartless and Nobody’s and the twists were still impactful. I’m just saying that a lot of these so called retcons were able to be predicted early on and just goes to show people should read the reports more. Xehanort Report VIII reveals he wanted to balance light and darkness which already disproves the whole Xehanort is entirely evil thing by nine years, Xehanort Report IX mentions body hopping which we see happen in BBS but people still seem confused when it showed up again in Union χ for some reason. Then I would go as far as to say Dark Road must’ve been somewhat influenced with how often light and dark both being necessary to keep the world order coming up in the reports and us seeing firsthand how right Xehanort actually was in Dark Road.
Kingdom Hearts recoded does warrant some explaining. At the end of Chain of Memories, Namine found numerous memories that did not belong to Sora. These were memories tied to Roxas, Ventus, and their respective group of friends. Because of the considerable pain and heartache that could be felt from these memories Namine chose to leave a few messages in Jiminy's journal and some "bugs". She wanted to test Sora's ability to handle such hurt but did not want to risk breaking his heart. Fortunately, the data version of Sora was able to handle this pain meaning that the real Sora should be able to as well.
Thanks, Pat. Now “Mickey nipples” will show up somewhere in my yearbook because someone unplugged my earbuds in home room just as you were saying that.
So how was that Yearbook
@@TheMagic1412 people forget bout things a lot quicker than you think. Mickey nipples is nowhere to be seen
34:21 One of the rules of time travel states that if you head back to where you came from you forget everything that happened when you time travelled, thus avoiding any paradoxes. So when they got defeated again, they just went back to their own games to live out their fates.
Oh, KH is a great series...even with all its plot complexes and stuff that ended up disappointing me. Got into it because of seeing the commercials and the crossover of Disney characters in a serious story. I liked crossovers. (Hardly knew anything about Final Fantasy at that time)
I think I watched a stream vod by Barry on the sleeping Realm theory in Summer 2019, but never saw this one.
Also, it's hilarious how he brings up several plot points many games later than when they were originally relevant, like Kairi getting a keyblade and the other Norts time traveling.
Out of the main trio of Sora, Donald and Goofy, Goofy really is the smart one.
Glad you're watching this video. This is one of my favs. so I am happy someone is watching the kingdom hearts chaos as well.
54:40 The feelings of everyone who just watched a synapses of Kingdom Hearts plot in a setting. Games are fun but you try to follow them for the plot then I pray the aneurysms you gain and slight and non life threatening my friend.
Kingdom Hearts is one of those things that you really have to play yourself so you have time to digest it all. Having it thrown at you rapid fire is very confusing.
@@tatri292 yes
It still baffles me how EVERY DAMN THING in this series is apparently cannon. EVERYTHING.
The many many spinoffs/side games, that Mobile Game, that MMO game, apparently a concert in Japan revealed future story lore, I think I remember hearing that the primary reason why Sora wasn't included sooner to Smash Bros (Apparently Disney was willing to allow it) was seriously because of lore reasoning and how that'd all work.
If you go solely from the numerical entries, you'll be super confused cause the games assume you've played the past and seen the foreshadowing to the next game and rarely elaborates on that fact. Lots of lore and characters that you're supposed to know and be interested in.
I think the concert revealed a piece of lore on Kairi it was a letter i think
There are some things that aren’t canon like V-Cast or the novels and manga. As well as the trading card game and board game. Though I personally believe the novels should be canon they’re really good.
@@gameuniverse5973 The concert was more of a teaser. It was some dialogue the Kairi later has in 3 anyway so nothing is lost if you did not see the concert.
Yeah, it is pretty confusing until you realise that none of the games are spin-off games; there's a reason why they've rereleased all of these games in a collection for the PS4... besides Union X which is arguably the most important but I believe the game is now just a cutscene viewer so it's much easier to digest the story of it.
@@lukasruston8618 You are very correct. Just because they are not numbered titals does not mean they do not advance the story or provide important developments. At most Days was supposed to be a spin off that gave Roxas some more depth, but it helped him and his friends become so popular that Namora felt he had to bring them all back.
15:00 When explained chronologically, a lot of information can feel vital to know, but in reality the game is written in a way where you can understand the important parts of information even if you haven't played the previous games. "This is a Nobody, Roxas is a Nobody, Roxas is Sora's Nobody," And so on, until you pretty much get the big picture without ever playing the prequel game. Kingdom hearts 2 was my first kingdom hearts game, and by the end of it, eventhough I didn't know everything, I wasn't confused about anything either. (Well, not any more confused than the average kingdom hearts fan at least.)
And I guess it's supposed to make you relate to Roxas in not knowing wtf is going on at the start? idk
@@LilacMonarch that was the vibe I got from the way the story was written. "Weird stuff is happening, what is going on?" is the overall vibe in the into. I imagine for people who played the first game, "why am I not playing as Sora?" And "Who is this?" Would've been intended to give similar vibes.
34:48 I’ve always seen this as more of a “multiverse” situation rather than time travel, bc like you’re right if there’s no Xehanort then there’s no Xemnas or Ansem (etc.) but if it’s a multiverse then all of them can still exist on one timeline… you feel me??
Actually, time travel has very specific rules outright stated throughout this series that fix the issues some people have with it; the people who time travel return to the exact moment in time they travelled from once defeated with no memory of what happened being the main one.
I'll try my best to explain how all of this works with KH time travel rules
1. Only hearts can travel through time and are pulled back to their original time after a while.
2. After the heart returns to their original time, all their memories from the other time are forgotten.
3. The organization put the time traveling hearts in replicas (fake bodies) to ensure they weren't pulled into their original times without being defeated.
If I'm forgetting something, blame the ridiculous plot.
@@GeekPsychologist time traveling hearts need a body to fully manifest, or else you get the robe goblin.
They also didn’t mention that Donald fuck is squares most powerful mage canonically cause of KH3
3:11 Man that prediction was so generally tropey that literally all of it turned out to be correct somehow.
Mans literally just summed up ALL of KH in its entirety
"That doesn't make any sense! These naming conventions are dumb!"
That made me laugh. I thought the same thing when I played KH2, which introduced Nobodies.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very fond of the series, but I was like "Wait. You remove a heart from a person, and the removed heart becomes a HEARTless, and the remaining BODY becomes a NO-BODY?"
I really felt that the two names should've been switched, but they'd already established Heartless in KH1 and couldn't really change that.
Nobodies were introduced in updated Japanese versions KHI and were first introduced overseas in Chain of Memories on GBA. So that would be three years for JP and two years internationally of people already being introduced to Nobodies. Also you misunderstand, the Heartless are the darkness that consumes the heart and not the heart itself. Purebloods completely destroy the heart while the lab created Emblem Heartless cannot. Nobodies are empty husks but the heart has a big role in determining the appearance of the body thus they shouldn’t even exist yet they do anyway with special Nobodies retaining the form their heart gave them. Unless it’s multiple hearts which causes Roxas to look like Ven with Sora’s bone structure and Naminé to look like Kairi with Ven’s hair color.
29:39 I can’t believe you understood the mechanics of Heartless and Nobodies perfectly, but somehow when we were given a quick refresher, you managed to confuse yourself
I love seeing people react to the nonsense story of Kingdom Hearts. I love Kingdom Hearts, but oh boy did the writers just came up so much stuff on the spot while forgetting previous facts. Also to answer your question of if this is the end of the series, it isn't. The 3rd game is the end of Xehanort's story, but theres still a lot of unresolved stuff that was basically started in the mobile game which has so much more story than it should
Master of Masters didn't really call himself that but because he was literally the Master of the Foretellers, who were the masters of their union, he became known as so.
24:47 so here's what actually happened. Eraqus figures out Xehanort's plan is to summon the Ksai Blade by getting pure light and pure darkness to fight. This is why he created Vanitas. Eraqus realizes the only way to guarantee Xehanort's plan fails is to kill Roxas. He explains this and Ventus actually agrees to be killed to save Kingdom Hearts from Xehanort. Terra comes in at exactly the wrong time and kills Eraqus to save Ventus, but Ventus had agreed to partake in Eraqus' plan. Terra tried to save his friend and instead accidentally got his body stolen by the bad guy.
What's sad about this is that watching the cutscenes of all the games will probably give you the same amount of knowledge as watching this video if you don't remember what happens at all
“How can a spirit still exist when it’s been absorbed/died?”
My good sir… we’ve been trying to figure that out for a solid 15 years.
darkness heartless and mickey mouse and key blade sums it up pretty well
You forgot nobody and heart
Bees
@@hendeyjagger7489 Control them. Channel them. Become a BEEKEEPER!
29:45 that's a good question. Like how nobodies can grow hearts, heartless can grow bodies if they find their way to the light. Sora found the light through Kiari. He wasn't really a somebody, just an abnormally complete heartless. There are no other examples of this, so I guess take it with a grain of salt.
“NO! they went into a lawyer’s office! I can’t SEE THEM ANYMORE! DAMN IT!” I freaking LOST IT, Man.
Oh, this is my favourite short-version of the series!
When they said the xehanort saga was over but have him show up in melody of memories still
The Xehanort saga IS over, but the effects of his legacy are still felt, especially in memory... it does seem fitting. A guy does That Much, his impact doesn't simply vanish because he's finally dead.
So fun fact there's norse mythology references in Kingdom hearts. Words literally being the world tree, parts of stories being used in certain games, character names, and events all referencing the Norse Lore.
And I would like to point out that the Game Dream Dropped Distance has a reference to norse myths. In the form of the Armor Ventus Nightmare boss battle. Which is in reference to the story of Sigurd and the Valkyrie Byrnhildr. Where Sigurd went to awaken Byrn from her slumber and had to deal with the flames surrounding the Valkyrie and use his weapon to remove the armor that is slowly covering her body.
This is referenced when Riku had to fight the Armor Ventus Nightmare. So pretty much Ventus' armor was on Sora and was using fire Magic.
Please note that Sigurd and Byrnhildr got married. And that Sigurd had at some point lost his memories of his wife and got killed by her when she was going on a rampage. So the entire story of Sigurd and Byrnhildr doesn't gets 100% referenced in Kingdomo Hearts with Riku and Sora. But I wouldn't be surprised if one of them dies after experiencing memory loss.
“There are more Sora’s in Kingdom Hearts than Goku’s in Dargon… wait, never mind.” Yeah, but there are so many more Xehanort’s than Goku’s
Xehanort(s) are more like 12 and Sora(s) are more like 6
Roxas having a heart in Sora despite Nobodies "not having a heart" is because Roxas actually did!
Nobodies start with no heart, but very, VERY important, lore-changing information is explained in DDD that a heart can regrow after separation the 'first chance' the body feels strongly enough like it should feel emotion. So by the time he schmorps back into Sora, Roxas has a heart uniquely his own.
Xemnas basically gaslighted everyone into thinking they don't and can't have hearts to try and make the process of making everyone have Xehanort's heart easier.
Other Nobodies, like Axel and Naminé, also had their hearts return throughout the series; Axel in particular was showing given his friendship with Roxas and Xion and a line from Chain of Memories where Axel realizes he's having genuine fun and excitement watching Sora fight, something that was considered impossible at the time by the story's established lore before it was confirmed 8 years later.
Uh tldr on the relevant time travel rules, when you time travel you only send your heart, not your body (you have to have a spare body prepped for you in the time period you're going to), and when you die in a different time you just get sent back to the time you came from with no memories.
I have been playing the kingdom hearts series since it came to pc, and I looked up a guide on the release order of games, as well as the recommended play order. It definitely helped me understand what was happening in the story.
Patterz, I recommend you watch Chase Kips video on explaining the Zelda timeline.
Zelda timeline is a beautiful mess
@@epicgamersauce3516 Exactly my reasoning.
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I'll sum it up better: Xion was the result of a puppet, filled with some of Sora's memories, his REAL ones, and was a failsafe in case Roxas went rouge. Roxas later on kills her, those memories return to Sora who's sleeping atm, and everyone forgets she existed
MorePatterrz: "I know nothing about Kingdom Hearts or played the games."
Also MorePatterrz: 3:10
Me: So it's that Simple & Clean, huh?
23:36 fun fact: it should be the "ksai blade." Nomura was so desperate for the pun he didn't look up its actual name.
After watching this video, I can testify that learning Integral and Differential Calculus was easier than understanding any of the Kingdom Hearts Lore
The beauty of Kingdom Hearts 2. At the end of the intro you kind of learn to love and appreciate Roxas. Having spend a good couple hours accompanying the developement of his charakter, learning what he truly is, having to come to terms with it. And eventually accepting that he has to go, for Sora to come back. And at least for me, I've gone from "Gimme back Sora" to "Gimme back Roxas"
He's by far my most favorite charakter, in my most favorite franchise (sowwy, pokemon only second to it). And 358/2 days adds alot of new insight to Roxas, as well as many other things. Highly recommended to play it after Kingdom Hearts 2.
I like how it sounds like they had a little kid wrote this whole game when playing a game with there friends
Will would said like he saying it anything sounds like that maybe actually look deeper
13:40 Naminé stole Sora's real memories and replaced them with fakes. The ones Xemnas uses to create Xion are the real deal.
Aw hell yeah, this is one of my favourite videos on the internet!
The thing about Kingdom Hearts is that it's something you have to experience rather than watch a video about. My friend finished the entire series and he absolutely loved it
Pat is hysterical to watch these for because he gets invested enough to react with genuine force to everything that happens and also bizarrely seems to understand stuff enough to plausibly predict what's coming. Love it.
Nami is frequently helpful and necessary for naval travel, Kairi could literally be replaced with a macguffin like the Pulp Fiction suitcase and the plot wouldn't change.
When i rewatch this, i realized there's another video with a MUCH more detail, logic, & actual sense soooooo maybe watch that sometimes (it's 3 hours though)
funny thing of note. kairi actually does a thing in the DLC that explains what happens at the end a bit better. (and she's like. twice as powerful as sora is.)
Canonically she’s one of the strongest in the series but she gets sidelined so much it’s ridiculous.
See, it's not enough to have someone TELL you about Kingdom Hearts. You have to experience it for yourself to understand why it's such an amazing game. It makes (barely) more sense when you've seen everything happen in game.
Yes the story is incredibly complicated, but it's still amazing all the same
The key blade vs x-blade stuff works because KH has subtitles always on (idk if you can even turn them off) and I still firmly believe it is entirely Donald Duck’s fault lmao So you can quickly check the subtitles to see if they’re talking about keyblades or THE x-blade lol
It's the irony... it's a Heartless, because it's birth makes the owner of the heart heartless X'D
Heartless are much more complicated than that. There are actually two different types of hearless. Pure heartless that are actually beings with no hearts from the realm of darkness, and then artificial heartless which are created when a person's heart falls into darkness. Artificial heartless are primarily the ones being described in the video.
Not really, Heartless are more the darkness of the heart itself. Purebloods don’t even have Hearts at all. Only the Emblem Heartless made in laboratories actually release them upon their destruction.
I don't know why I feel the need to explain the Roxas joining Sora thing but Roxas was in the computer simulation dealing with a crisis of feeling like nothing was real then after a boat load of hours of gameplay he finds out that he is living in a computer simulation and finds a way to exit where he meets up with Sora and says his famous lines "Looks like my summer vacation is over." and Sora awakens along with Donald and Goofy, Sora then goes and starts Dripping real hard in his new outfit once he meets with a bunch of fairies.
He forgot the biggest twist of them all that wasn't mentioned in the video.
We all know it. The one from Union Cross. The twist that:
The main character of the game, the one we play as, is in fact, Xehanort, essentially making all of us Xehanort.
Yeah.
20:13 it has to do with the special connection formed when Kairi's Heart hid inside Sora. Naminé was finally born from Kairi's Heart (which couldn't become a Heartless because she's a princess or whatever) and Sora's newly heartless body, but since Naminé was born at the same time as Roxas, she didn't have Sora's body to base herself on. So despite being a Nobody, she ironically lacks a body (which is what you would expect of a Nobody). The only reason Kairi's Heart was able to become its own separate thing was because Naminé was already being formed at the time, since Kairi's Heart separated from her body all the way back on Destiny Islands.
“If you just rolled up into KH2 after beating KH1 wouldn’t you just be confused.”
Yes you perfectly explained one of 2 reasons why Kingdom Hearts is the most confusing series.
1. The series claims games like Chain of Memories as a side project, but you kill half of the Organization 13 in that game.
2. All the retcons don’t work to make the story more sensical, and all the problems it created when Sora released his heart.
Not really retcons at all. All of them are foreshadowed or even outright stated. Some knew about Nobody’s in KHI, some of us me included knew about Xehanort’s true intentions from KHIII in BBS, and I guarantee you many people would not be surprised if Axel and Saïx’s old friend Subject X turns out to be Shulk.
@@calebgoodman3028 Xemnas as a secret boss, the last 3 Ansem Reports, and the CG trailer was added into the Final Mix version which was put into production after getting the green light to continue the series. The scene with Kairi was before that confirmation and thus before most of the planning for the future of the series.
This is why KH1’s base game had a rather vague ending about them finding Pluto and running off. That ending was there as a starting point if ever it got a sequel. Most directors for both films and games do this type of stuff.
So no the Nobody’s weren’t even thought about until they started to make the Final Mix. It’s also pretty apparent which reports were added in the Final Mix version because reports 1-10 only mentioned the Keyblade once and is more focused on the Heartless. Like they literally gloss over the body disappearing in one of the early reports and don’t mention it again until the ones added into Final Mix. Also Report 10 ended with Ansem saying he’ll cast himself into the darkness and would then it’s assumed he turned into a Heartless pretty some after, only for him to back track and say he doesn’t know how to cast himself into darkness quite yet in Report 11 and then say he’s searching for the Keyblade User. Report 12 is the first time he ever references anything in between Light and Darkness, and 13 is the first time he’s ever been concerned about the body.
KH1 was an experiment by Square and Disney which originally was only planned to be a one off, but after it’s success they wanted a sequel.
@@loganbreau882 Final Mix was released the same year as the Japanese release of the original and Nobodies are the main villains of Chain of memories which were released two years before KH2. Yes they weren’t included but they were definitely thought of. In fact BBS was thought of during KHII’s production thanks to concept art. As a storyteller myself I know how important it is to have projects planned even if they don’t see the light of day.
@@calebgoodman3028 alright then explain how Kairi was a motionless husk for the entirety of the game despite Nobody’s being “planned out” and the way to create a nobody is to remove the Heart from the body.
In KH1 Kairi is the only ever example of a Nobody not being created when someone loses their Heart.
Also give me an example from before FM that even teased the possibility of a Nobody. The only examples I’ve seen is from FM which is either a wall of text or the CG cutscene which is fair to say took most of the 8 months and 28 days.
Most of the added cutscenes are either completely silent or reuses and mashes lines said at other parts of the games.
@@loganbreau882 Quite simple really. She didn’t have a Heartless. She couldn’t make one either due to being a Princess of Heart thus darkness could not touch her with the closest thing to her having a Heartless is Sora’s Heartless. Yes Sora is very much aligned with the light however keyblade wielders can be either. Yes you could argue and say Leon’s comment that every heart has darkness but Maleficent in same game also says the Princesses of Heart do not have darkness and I am more inclined to believe her as she walks the edge of darkness without becoming consumed which is a key plot point in future games. Leon and the others only have stories passed down from Radiant Garden to go on so they wouldn’t know as much as she does. Kairi isn’t the only one with this situation as Ven had the exact same condition. His situation is the same as hers since he didn’t make a Heartless rather his heart influenced the appearances of Roxas and Naminé due to Sora fusing parts of his heart with his as a child. I don’t know if Ven has the same heart of light as a Princess of Heart at this point since his darkness was forcibly extracted but the point is he can’t have a Nobody as he doesn’t have a Heartless. They make a big point about this in KH2.
I know too much about the lore of kingdom hearts (since i grew up with it at the age of 6) that its kinda inplanted into my brain, and just watching this i kept thinking "can i just... explain it to you myself? PLEASE?"
Roxas and Xion were originally meant to stay dead but fans loved them so much they had to bring them back so yeah we have no one to blame but ourselves. Nomura had to change things a lot to meet fan demand and the fact he practically encourages theories makes things complicated.
Yes they were but the decision to bring them back was around DDD giving plenty of time to set it up Beacuse DDD set both of them up for coming back and you cant tell me nomura still hadn't made his decision by then
@@ShirouBrando True. It’s also the reason Riku got his hair cut, despite being sent to the past before the events of getting the new clothes. Again, the inconsistencies there are our fault.
@@calebgoodman3028 the hair cut one is really dumb also who wanted short hair riku again?!? The long hair was soo much better
At least nomura has said there are some things that he wont change so hopefully it doesn't get too bad with fan interaction
Most of the story error are retcons, like the scene where sora turns into a heartless , he doesnt create a nobody because that concept only appeared in Kh2, but in KH2 they retcon that , so sora does great a nobody but he only appears at KH2
The more you know, the lesser you know
- kingdom hearts in a nutshell
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Who knows maybe Vixen is just wearing yellow contacts and pretending to be posessed and Demyx can just leave because he cool :)
Everyone who got into kindom harts recently:
I have some very strange thoughts lately, is any of this for Real or not?
For some reason, I love seeing others people, outside the kh Fandom, get vierd looks of how complicated and convoluted the kh plot is.
Kairi being a princess of heart has this special ability to somehow do that, Sora being the chosen one, just is that strong willed. Plot armor
The baby thing is a joke. In Birth by Sleep Sora and Kairi were 4 and Riku was 5.
KH lore expert here.
This summary is absolutely not good enough. Some of it is even misinformation.
Bad summaries like this are WHY newcomers think KH is more confusing than it actually is.
Honestly, the key to understanding KH lore really boils down to 2 things.
1. Play the games for yourself, don't watch a half-baked summary.
2. Don't overthink every little thing. It's mostly just "power of friendship vs edgy boomers: the game".
There’s only one thing you can do now Patterz! Play the Kingdom Hearts series! It shouldn’t take too long… 🤣
Only about 358 days... XD
@@sethporter9066 So true so true XD
Worst part of the series is that it has the sheer-shitting temerity to have regular, numbered games, WHEN ALL OF THE GAMES ARE MAINLINE AND PLOT-CRUCIAL. THERE ARE NO SPINOFFS OR SIDE GAMES. The only distinguishing feature of KH1/2/3 is that theyre on proper consoles, and not handheld. Its infuriating
Hahaha no Ansem the Wise wasn’t all that good he cut open bodies both living and dead and experimented on children. He had a change of heart after learning what his research would do to all existence but Xehanort continued in secret.
I'm so glad you decided to take the plunge and jump into the rabbit hole that is Kingdom Hearts. Yeah, the story can be a bit "messy" to say the least, but it always makes me giddy watching people who never played a single KH game to watch summary videos and end up getting the narrative down...somewhat at-least. Hopefully, you might try the games one day and enjoy the gameplay that they have to offer.
This is like the video game version of the Garbage Pail Kids Movie, that's how I feel about it.
@@SuperFlashDriver I never saw that movie lol
Fun fact: if you scramble the letters of Xemnas you can do the words "*** man"
Try to find the other word
Ah yes, the most powerful character in all of KH history, Mansex!
All I know is that this game made Donald Duck one of the most powerful beings in Final Fantasy related lore.
Dont worry im following this franchise for 12 years now and i still have no clue about the story
You've followed this franchise for two decades and still have no clue? My brain literally melted by just having to go through the story again.
Step it up! Some of us already have an idea who Subject X is at this point.
You have to be purposefully not trying. It's not that hard
20:25 this what it sound like when someone is explaining what’s a 4th cousin
Is anyone else getting increasingly angrier every time he calls the bad guy 'Xenahort'?
yeah patterz
i even played the entire series by getting the 1.5+2.5 HD remix and 2.8 HD final chapter prologue
and kingdom hearts 3 (ofc)
It's surprisingly frustrating watching somebody get everything 85% correct
Sora didn’t return to being a Somebody until fusing with Roxas. He was essentially a Heart given form thanks to Kairi. There were times in battle he could tap into a Heartless-like form, which I think is because of this.