Thankyou for this video. Sept ‘22 I bagged our Maserati Quattroporte using Accuair and TH-cam videos! Never had any issues so far. I had zero experience besides vids like this.
Bose (the speaker brand) did something with magnets, the car is practically floating. If you search Bose suspension you'll find it. I think they gave up on the project tho...
Look for something like an executive package on air lift suspension, I know on ecs tuning for my mini cooper, it’s 5k but the air ride has sensors that auto level the car so when you hit a bump it will adjust accordingly and smooth it out significantly, that’s what your after is an air ride that has auto leveling
Intresting. Personally i wonder why not all race cars runs air suspension if it's faster on the track. I run coilovers on all my cars and they are not extremely bumpy. I would say that if they are extremely bumpy they are not set up correctly.
Most people don't know how to setup suspension or don't take the time to do it properly you can't make measurements until the car is settled on flat ground which can be involved depending on the car and how it was raised and lowered
How do the dampeners work for the air ride? Is it a separate replaceable strut cartridge that travels through the center of the bag, is it an integrated piece, or does it even have one?
I am seriously considering purchasing a quality air bag suspension kit for my 2017 Mini Cooper f56 hardtop. My only hesitation is that in some areas, we have really rough roads with many potholes, and I'm currently having a very rough ride over them. This is despite having a set of quality, brand-name coilovers on my car. My question is, would the air suspension hold up to the very rough roads for a daily driver?
Roads here in Oklahoma are not the greatest. Matt (owner) beat on his BMW 335i on air as a daily for 5 years without issues before it turned into full toy.
stupid question, can you help me. I want air suspension for my suv, but I want to make it in most simple way, I dont want compressor, wires and some hoses there, is possible to have air bags that can be filled/compresed with air only from outside compresor in similar way like tires for example? Just add hose and add/reduce air/ adjust ride height few times a week for my needs. Thanks for answer.
Stupid question indeed.... Sounds like you don't want to spend the whole price... Just get tame coil overs or get sports springs you will be more then fine
Opinions don’t matter when it comes to suspension facts do. Air ride is not meant for sports cars at all. Specially if you are going to track your car. Spring response compared to air bags are not the same. Springs respond to compression much faster compared to a air bags. You will never see any race car run on air bags. Bags are meant for cruisers, low rides or someone that wants to have the adjustability of the ride hight. As far as pricing goes actually Coilovers can be more expensive depending on what company you choose to go with. Also depends on the materials used to create a Coilover. Like JRZs, Penske or Motons can cost over $15,000- $30,000 depending on the level of motor sport. Even some street setups can run over $10,000 for a proper set. If you run air bags on a proper sports car, you are running the suspension setup and handling or the car.
That’s a jump - he’s talking about for a daily driven car/sports car. Yes. A dedicated track car would not use air, although apparently some people do.
@@f3irty278 Their is no manufacturer that has ever ran air bags on street driven sports cars. Cars like Lincoln, Lexus and other manufacturers run air bags on SUV or family sedans. Air Bags do not have the capability to respond or react to bumps like a spring loaded suspension does. That was my point and I am talking about street and race cars. People running air bags on there cars I don’t care about that, but to make comparisons and state opinions in regards coilovers and air bags that are not true and I have been in motorsports, built cars for over 20 years so I do know a lot regarding suspension.
Just got bags installed on my 86 for the first time and I'm loving it so far. Just the convenience of adjusting height on the fly when I need to is great. Only issue I have was I wish I bought the smaller 1/4" air lines instead of the 3/8" just because airing up feels a bit jarring at first, its not as smooth or fluent as it should be. But that's just a minor complaint
So in short, coils if youre on a budged and or if your just doing it for track, and bags if you do have a bit more to spend and you want to drove over a curb
Do you think switching to bags would slow down my lap times significantly? I’ve never driven on air suspension so I have nothing to compare to. Cheers. (F82 m4)
Great video. I had coilovers on my last car.. I loved the handling I got from it and spent at least 4 days in the garage a month changing the height for one reason or another so I kind of vowed to go air on my next car. I really do not want my car on the ground I just want a modest drop.. I also don't care about the quickness of rising and lowering and was wondering can these air suspensions be installed without multiple compressors and large tanks? I basically wanted to replicate the mercedes airmatic system... which I think is just aribags with a tiny pump under the hood (correct me if im wrong).
@@Dnasty1 you can do a setup without multiple compressors yes. Tanks come in a variety of sizes and shapes if you shop around to accommodate what you’re looking for.
Thanks my plan is just to replicate the oem Mercedes oem airmatic… possibly even placing the pump in the engine bay. Do I even need a tank or can the bags just hold the air the whole time unless I make minor adjustments? What is the major gain of all the pumps and large tanks is it only for speed purposes of releasing and refilling air?
Hello, I have a Toyota 86 and I am going to put air suspension on it. Are the shocks and bags air lift much superior to the godspeed? Or are they similar?
@speedhaus405 do you recommend any installers in the Dallas/Fort Worth area? I'm looking to get air ride on a 2018 Nissan Maxima for everyday drive use. Thanks 😊
Damping* when referring to reducing vibration. dampening means to literally make something wet... only correcting because it's such a looked-over mistake that many don't know about it
As long as everything is setup properly towing can be done on air. I’ve seen it many times including Dually trucks pulling a loaded wedge all while being a inch off the ground.
My bag keeps coming loose and airline is wrapping around the bag tried tightening the nut at the bottom but loose again only has 1 nut lock but on my BC coilovers it has to lock nuts to tighten it🤷🏻♂️
I have both model 3 performance and model y performance . Does it have any issue when we close the doors and lock the car . The battery will running all the time to the compressor and any code errors will come once I close the door .
Common sense would tell you that when it comes to sports cars there is no way bags can out perform coils. Bags (long term) cannot handle the abuse coils can.
@@2jzge the subject is air bags on sports cars. Tracking, racing, hard cornering, drifting ect. I doubt you do that in your truck while hauling your cute horse trailer.
The only times springs win is if you are offroad…. Even then you are gonna need high wuality coilovers to touch air bags. I am a DH mountain biker and i run EXT springs just for that added feel and speed in the trails. Airbags on a car are king on the roads if you ask me 🤷🏿♂️
ItsKev777 like he said they are great if you get good ones but it diminishes your driving experience if they are set too low. Any person who has driven low knows the cons. Pulling in drive ways or clearing speed bumps at angles. Damaging your underbody or front lip. Scraping your exhaust. Some shrug that kind of thing off but why subject yourself to driving like that when there are alternatives? Like another commentor said, go with airlift suspension if you're daily driving and want to still enjoy the occasional spirited driving. You drive low on familiar streets, ride stock height on trips, lift higher than stock to clear any steep incline and slam lower than any static vehicle out there when stationary.
@@vcrazy_diamondI've never driven on airtekk so I won't condemn them but I too have heard bad things about them. Your advice rings true though. Avoid cheap new entry-level air suspension and never buy used.
Which brand is good air lift performance and UAS air suspension? What’s the difference can you let me know . I wanna order ? But I am confused to order ?
Ultimately what car are you after? We are big advocates for Airlift Performance. Love the development they put into their products, customer service and warranty has always been great over the years. We can help you order. Send us a email at speedhausok@gmail.com
Thankyou for this video. Sept ‘22 I bagged our Maserati Quattroporte using Accuair and TH-cam videos! Never had any issues so far. I had zero experience besides vids like this.
Glad it helped!
Quick and to the point! Thank you for the great video
I looking for a suspension where I don't feel the road at all. just like sitting in the car when it not moving, smooth. soft recoveries
Bose (the speaker brand) did something with magnets, the car is practically floating. If you search Bose suspension you'll find it. I think they gave up on the project tho...
Look for something like an executive package on air lift suspension, I know on ecs tuning for my mini cooper, it’s 5k but the air ride has sensors that auto level the car so when you hit a bump it will adjust accordingly and smooth it out significantly, that’s what your after is an air ride that has auto leveling
Intresting.
Personally i wonder why not all race cars runs air suspension if it's faster on the track.
I run coilovers on all my cars and they are not extremely bumpy. I would say that if they are extremely bumpy they are not set up correctly.
thank god this was said. all i could think to myself is "if your coilovers are bouncy they aren't even close to being set up correctly"
Weight, reliability, complexity
Most people don't know how to setup suspension or don't take the time to do it properly you can't make measurements until the car is settled on flat ground which can be involved depending on the car and how it was raised and lowered
How do they perform in negative degree weather?
Thanks!
I believe you need to add some kind of anti freeze coolant into the air lines to prevent them from freezing
Hello were you able to remove the suspension system faulty sign after replacing the air suspension on cayenne 2011
How do the dampeners work for the air ride? Is it a separate replaceable strut cartridge that travels through the center of the bag, is it an integrated piece, or does it even have one?
Loved his honesty if it popped that means you put it in wrong👍🏽👍🏽
I am seriously considering purchasing a quality air bag suspension kit for my 2017 Mini Cooper f56 hardtop. My only hesitation is that in some areas, we have really rough roads with many potholes, and I'm currently having a very rough ride over them. This is despite having a set of quality, brand-name coilovers on my car. My question is, would the air suspension hold up to the very rough roads for a daily driver?
Roads here in Oklahoma are not the greatest. Matt (owner) beat on his BMW 335i on air as a daily for 5 years without issues before it turned into full toy.
@@speedhaus405 Thanks for your response.
stupid question, can you help me. I want air suspension for my suv, but I want to make it in most simple way, I dont want compressor, wires and some hoses there, is possible to have air bags that can be filled/compresed with air only from outside compresor in similar way like tires for example? Just add hose and add/reduce air/ adjust ride height few times a week for my needs. Thanks for answer.
Stupid question indeed.... Sounds like you don't want to spend the whole price... Just get tame coil overs or get sports springs you will be more then fine
How does a airbag setup measure up for off road vehicles?
Opinions don’t matter when it comes to suspension facts do. Air ride is not meant for sports cars at all. Specially if you are going to track your car. Spring response compared to air bags are not the same. Springs respond to compression much faster compared to a air bags. You will never see any race car run on air bags. Bags are meant for cruisers, low rides or someone that wants to have the adjustability of the ride hight. As far as pricing goes actually Coilovers can be more expensive depending on what company you choose to go with. Also depends on the materials used to create a Coilover. Like JRZs, Penske or Motons can cost over $15,000- $30,000 depending on the level of motor sport. Even some street setups can run over $10,000 for a proper set. If you run air bags on a proper sports car, you are running the suspension setup and handling or the car.
That’s a jump - he’s talking about for a daily driven car/sports car. Yes. A dedicated track car would not use air, although apparently some people do.
@@f3irty278 Their is no manufacturer that has ever ran air bags on street driven sports cars. Cars like Lincoln, Lexus and other manufacturers run air bags on SUV or family sedans. Air Bags do not have the capability to respond or react to bumps like a spring loaded suspension does. That was my point and I am talking about street and race cars. People running air bags on there cars I don’t care about that, but to make comparisons and state opinions in regards coilovers and air bags that are not true and I have been in motorsports, built cars for over 20 years so I do know a lot regarding suspension.
Apparently you know nothing about bags
@@mikepeace6694 lol sure bud. Apparently you know nothing about suspension.
@@M3PQuicksilver know more than you do and it shows
Can we drive daily and go for long drives without any issue with air suspension? What are things need to maintain them regularly.
Should I bag my rally build? 1997 sl500
What brand would you recommend that makes coilovers for Kia Telluride?
Just got bags installed on my 86 for the first time and I'm loving it so far. Just the convenience of adjusting height on the fly when I need to is great.
Only issue I have was I wish I bought the smaller 1/4" air lines instead of the 3/8" just because airing up feels a bit jarring at first, its not as smooth or fluent as it should be. But that's just a minor complaint
Could always add a flow control valve to slow it down.
So in short, coils if youre on a budged and or if your just doing it for track, and bags if you do have a bit more to spend and you want to drove over a curb
Roll racing g35? 1000+ hp
bags or coils
Do you think switching to bags would slow down my lap times significantly? I’ve never driven on air suspension so I have nothing to compare to. Cheers.
(F82 m4)
For your application I’d stick with traditional coilovers! Cheers!
Of course it will decrease your performance.
Great video. I had coilovers on my last car.. I loved the handling I got from it and spent at least 4 days in the garage a month changing the height for one reason or another so I kind of vowed to go air on my next car. I really do not want my car on the ground I just want a modest drop.. I also don't care about the quickness of rising and lowering and was wondering can these air suspensions be installed without multiple compressors and large tanks? I basically wanted to replicate the mercedes airmatic system... which I think is just aribags with a tiny pump under the hood (correct me if im wrong).
@@Dnasty1 you can do a setup without multiple compressors yes. Tanks come in a variety of sizes and shapes if you shop around to accommodate what you’re looking for.
Thanks my plan is just to replicate the oem Mercedes oem airmatic… possibly even placing the pump in the engine bay. Do I even need a tank or can the bags just hold the air the whole time unless I make minor adjustments? What is the major gain of all the pumps and large tanks is it only for speed purposes of releasing and refilling air?
Hello, I have a Toyota 86 and I am going to put air suspension on it. Are the shocks and bags air lift much superior to the godspeed? Or are they similar?
@@lucianoBOCA airlift is superior in our opinion.
@speedhaus405 do you recommend any installers in the Dallas/Fort Worth area? I'm looking to get air ride on a 2018 Nissan Maxima for everyday drive use. Thanks 😊
@@JoeWavy unfortunately only guys we knew of in that area closed. We are about 3 hours north of Dallas if you ever wanted to make the trip.
@ something to definitely consider. Would the job take longer than a day to install the air ride system.
@ yes it would
Damping* when referring to reducing vibration. dampening means to literally make something wet... only correcting because it's such a looked-over mistake that many don't know about it
What if you want to tow a trailer..? I have a VW Passat estate and thinking about air ride. But i still want to be able to tow my golf to the track
As long as everything is setup properly towing can be done on air. I’ve seen it many times including Dually trucks pulling a loaded wedge all while being a inch off the ground.
@@speedhaus405 That is f***ing awesome!! Thank you
My bag keeps coming loose and airline is wrapping around the bag tried tightening the nut at the bottom but loose again only has 1 nut lock but on my BC coilovers it has to lock nuts to tighten it🤷🏻♂️
What are you using to tighten the locking collar? Our recommendation is a punch and hammer for final lock to keep it from twisting
What would be a good setup cor 18 tlx .daily .?
What did you end up doing I have a 18 tlx I wanna decide as well
Do you guys work in Teslas ? How is the ride for teslas drive for model 3 performance and y ?
We’ve lowered and bagged a few. Made a big difference on the model 3. Haven’t done a model Y yet in regards to air suspension.
I have both model 3 performance and model y performance . Does it have any issue when we close the doors and lock the car . The battery will running all the time to the compressor and any code errors will come once I close the door .
@@speedhaus405 how is the ride and comfort with air suspension compare to coilovers from the factory one ?
@@LP-qg7kc tremendously better in our opinion.
Airlift has had a racing league since the 70s with cars that are all on airlift suspension
Sweet setup. I wanna put bags on my maxima so bad.
Yea i just want that bad ass looks bags give it when i go somehwere to show i need some for my 2024 accord sport but its my daily driver
Common sense would tell you that when it comes to sports cars there is no way bags can out perform coils. Bags (long term) cannot handle the abuse coils can.
Mercedes AMG GT uses bags.
Funny considering all truck have bags but they can’t handle abuse?
@@2jzge the subject is air bags on sports cars. Tracking, racing, hard cornering, drifting ect. I doubt you do that in your truck while hauling your cute horse trailer.
@@Eli-9 He's referring to semi trucks which carries more than 40,000lbs of weight..
thanks
for insight
anytime!
The only times springs win is if you are offroad…. Even then you are gonna need high wuality coilovers to touch air bags. I am a DH mountain biker and i run EXT springs just for that added feel and speed in the trails. Airbags on a car are king on the roads if you ask me 🤷🏿♂️
Bags for the win 🥇
How good are coil overs for everyday driving?
They’re great IF you buy good ones.
Get Air Lift if you wanna daily. Avoid brands like Air Tekk because I heard they ride terrible
@@vcrazy_diamonddon't spread misinformation. Airtekk makes good struts.
ItsKev777 like he said they are great if you get good ones but it diminishes your driving experience if they are set too low.
Any person who has driven low knows the cons. Pulling in drive ways or clearing speed bumps at angles. Damaging your underbody or front lip. Scraping your exhaust.
Some shrug that kind of thing off but why subject yourself to driving like that when there are alternatives? Like another commentor said, go with airlift suspension if you're daily driving and want to still enjoy the occasional spirited driving.
You drive low on familiar streets, ride stock height on trips, lift higher than stock to clear any steep incline and slam lower than any static vehicle out there when stationary.
@@vcrazy_diamondI've never driven on airtekk so I won't condemn them but I too have heard bad things about them.
Your advice rings true though. Avoid cheap new entry-level air suspension and never buy used.
Here is the video Matt reference about Air vs Coilovers at the track th-cam.com/video/7dQgT5g84ag/w-d-xo.html
Yes?
Air ride number one or somebody else comparable
🔥🔥🔥
1:50 lmaooo
Every one I know that has air ride and every car I owned with air ride the system all ways fails and it always the bag is no good
Air ride - impresses teenagers.
Coil overs - for anyone that cares about performance
Wrong , air ride is great for getting in my steep drive way without loosing my bumper in the process.
Trash take
Which brand is good air lift performance and UAS air suspension? What’s the difference can you let me know . I wanna order ? But I am confused to order ?
Ultimately what car are you after? We are big advocates for Airlift Performance. Love the development they put into their products, customer service and warranty has always been great over the years. We can help you order. Send us a email at speedhausok@gmail.com