I’m an avid reloader I really enjoy it. Those lighter 150-155 grain 40sw pills are easy to load with a little spice to them. I swear I think I got some factory loaded 155 double tap that clears 1300fps with ease out of a g22 like 1325. It was loaded that way on purpose because if it was a malfunction or something they wouldn’t be so consistent. That or the velocity was out of a much longer barrel! Either way enjoyed the video!
Weak as Pond water 😂 My Dad used to say "Weak as Pee Water" 😂😂 My dad's been gone for over 20 years but I sure remember that and all his other funny sayings. Also the fact he taught me to shoot when I was 5 with a 22 Rifle. I just bought my Daughter a Taurus Gen 2 TX22 TORO for her Birthday. I'm still passing on what my Dad passed on to me. Thanks for the test and thanks for bringing back a cool memory of my Dad with your funny saying..
You do the most comprehensive and detailed real world type testing with the best equipment of anyone on the web. I can not imagine any way you could do it better. I would just like to say thanks, sincerely. You have answered so many questions I have had about caliber and bullet performance over the course of your videos. All I can say is you do an outstanding job of presenting the facts and it is greatly appreciated.
They suckers blew up like a grenade, not much power but blew up, thanks for the test brother. Since you have the top ammo testing videos every company should send you free ammo to test and show the viewers
We all needed a good laugh. Mourning doves get big & fearsome around here so these might might work on them. Big difference in expand & explode. Appreciate your time.
@ToolsandTargets Think maybe somebody loaded the wrong projectile/semented in the wrong box. Petals peeled off to easy to be expanding. At least the base went the distance. The Underwood 380 +P are looking better even more 😂.
Ya know, man, I think nobody really talks about it since you're not crazy tactical demonstration guy, but you're a really good shot. Very very good and predictable demonstrations. Excellent work. And thank you for what you do for us.
I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of this. But with that being said there are much better 40 S&W loads out there . As always thanks for your time in making the videos !
I like that you go hard on ammo and call out BS claims. Keep that up. Also, when is this video from August? 23 degrees in PA today, and we ain't too far apart, and you're rocking just a long sleeve.
I'd love to see a test of the remington 155gr htp .40 s&w ammo. It's claiming 500ftlbs I'd like to see if that's true, and how it performs. The g22 is my edc so I love it when you test .40 🙂
I think I read awhile back they test through a "modest carry length 22" proof barrel". Thanks for sharing, I'll be sticking with my Hornady Critical Duty in my .40. Carried it for over 10 years no need to change now.
Years ago, I got good service from Aria, but none of the 50AE I got from them performed out of a Desert Eagle. Unfortunate... this seems to be the case with many Boutique round makers. I knew something was off when Aria was offering 400gr and 500gr rounds in 50AE. I know what it took for Magnum Research to develop a 350Gr load for Desert Eagles.
Interesting stuff Tools, what is pretty sad when manufacturers watered down their products knowing when they're much more capable of what they're trying to sell. Thanks for what you do.🇺🇸👊
I bought some 9 in tactical elite years ago. They shot pretty soft. The penetration and fragmentation would work. I think they tell people what they want to hear, and a lot of folks can't handle too much recoil.
I don’t know if it’s the same bullet but Cutting Edge bullets makes a bullet called Raptor bullets. Those bullets are made to segment and the base to continue through. It may be the same bullet.
I think it actually is after I got looking some more. They just completely put the wrong thing in the description, and then loaded it weak as could be.😆
Good one, Brian! All this work to show us what not to get... sometimes the outcomes are downers, that's all there is to it. I can kind of understand watering down the 10mm (of course, I do *not* approve of it!) But watering down a 40 Short & Weak? Now that makes no sense at all! It's like watering down a .380, you might as well carry a .22 rimfire! I am, however, always grateful to you for taking the time to do these tests as I believe it does provide useful info to those of us who can actually make use of the information! Cheers, jc
A .40 150gr advertised at 1225fps...but hardly pushing 1050fps...looks like someone is skimming gunpowder or deriberately missrepresenting their own product..
Between this & the video with the defective 10mm rounds, my desire to try out Aria is gone. To keep it positive, I will recommend the all copper 40 & 10mm that Double Tap makes. Full power but shoots very smooth.
Below freezing! Those are interesting rounds, for sure. Not sure I'd run them though... So, how do you really feel about these rounds!? lol Keep up the good work!
The Raptor is a segmenting bullet made by Cutting Edge. The bullet performed as Cutting Edge says they will but you're right about the weak velocity. Sometimes it's hard to get high velocity with monolithic bullets because of their pressure spike due to being a hard material.
I really wish ammo companies would be transparent about their test barrels. If you're going to sell defensive ammo for concealed carry, using a 6"-8" barrel just to pump your numbers up is shady.
Interesting. It doesn't perform like advertised but if it was labeled as frangible (maybe segmenting is a better description) it doesn't seem like horrible performance for that type. Never heard of that company before, but I think after watching this, I would pass on it.
Nothing wrong with fragmenting rounds but these fragments didn't penetrate very deep and the base over penetrated meaning a lot of the bullets energy will not go into the target and will go into whatever or whoever is behind it. I'd rather have a fragmenting round with more energy and one that delivers most of the energy to the target not behind it.
@ he said there was a 4 inch pattern out to 5 inches. Obviously more is better, but that seems adequate. As far as over penetration those words don’t exist in my vocabulary so I don’t even know what that part meant ☺️
I know I'm late to the party, but when you mentioned that the round was called the "Raptor" I figured it used the Cutting Edge Bullets "Raptor" bullet, a segmenting round just like Lehigh's Controlled Fracturing bullets. Because the ad copy says "expanding", I wasn't sure until the first shot. Sure enough, CEB Raptors.
@@Mbartel500"Raptor" gets used quite a bit in Jurassic Park movies as a shortened version of Velociraptor. Can't expect any sort of serious zoology or paleontology taking place in these guntube peanut galleries...😂😂😂
Correct, and not just for 1 shot. What also (should) count(s)...is recoil (aka; speed and accuracy on follow-up shots). Defensive choices maybe shouldn't only include "POWER!!!"...but also whether or not a person can shoot 6 or 12 shots with any sort of effectiveness. It's too bad we don't get to see that sort of testing. Hunting? yeah - one shot & "give 'er all she's got!!" Being attacked by a passel of hogs or a squadron of javelinas, or 3 or 4 "uninvited visitors" shoving their way through the front door? Might want to be able to actually hit something and anticipate more than 1 trigger-pull.
I totally agree that their velocity is weak for the weight however the wound cavity doesn't look to shabby. It did some good permanent damage. It's still pretty weak so my money will be spent else where.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that solid copper bullets are MUCH LONGER than equivalent weight lead bullets. That's why solid coppers are usually LIGHT for caliber. Guaranteed these bullets are as long as 180-200gr lead bullets, hence the slower speed. Therefore, they performed well if compared to 180gr .40 S&W rounds.
Simply not much room for powder in the short .40 case, with the long solid copper 150 bullet. These would do 1300 in the 10mm, but would just fragment/segment a little wider.
@@ToolsandTargetsit depends what a guy is looking for; yes, low energy, but it fragmented like a 125gr 357, with nice big fragments, and a 100gr base penetrating 20 inches! Sounds pretty good to me lol.
It seems "Copper Expanders" should all be considered Frag Rounds, copper will not expand to mushroom like Lead does With exception in the Extreme Penetrators that have no expansion designed into the effect on fluid mass
I like the penetration but there’s many other.40s that stay together at much better velocity. Hard pass from me for sure. Looks like they’ll load with weak sauce regardless of the caliber. Greatest as always good sir 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
That is some bizarre yet interesting performance. Though it did seem weak. Plus, if this isn't what it was supposed to do, it makes you wonder if they put the wrong bullets in the box. Which makes their quality control look questionable. I'll be steering clear of Aria in any caliber.
My guess is these Aria "Raptor" rounds are meant to segment. Copper doesn't consistently fracture at the same place without it being engineered to do so. If it is not designed to fracture, then Aria has a quality control issue. I'll place my bet on, the rounds are designed or engineered to fragment. Whether Aria knew it or not, is a different question.
Atomic brand ammo does the same - their .44 mag is listed at 1500fps on the box, and wound up at 1100 out of a 5.5 inch barrel...they must be using a rifle to get that. On the flip side, Grizzly ammo hits high box velocities out of regular, common handguns.
I have a question what is you honest opinion on the glock 48 I have one I actually like it easy to carry and concealment but mine shots about 1 1/2 low and about a 1" to the right I've tried different ammo I would like your thoughts on it and how to solve the sight in anything can change it now this is at 15yd. And 7 yards and help would be appreciated love the videos
Could this be a case of bad QC? Like wrong labeling of the box or something similar? Both rounds had the same clean cut on the petals like a segmented round should have. Anyways, great video again.
Maybe not as advertised. Nonetheless, a good self defense round. Massive initial wound and a penetrating copper slug for vital organs i.e.. heart & lungs.
With a solid copper hollow point bullet that heavy for the diameter, I'm actually surprised that it surpassed 1000fps. The Winchester 155gr Silvertip is rated at 1205fps for an even 500 ft lbs, and that's with a cup and core bullet. A solid copper bullet almost as heavy and at 1225fps? Nope.
Just an idea. Maybe a series of special penetration tests for things like bear defense. Thick layer of leather jacket (local thrift store variety), piece of hard board over the jelly. Pick a caliber and shoot hardball, hard cast, extreme penetrator, etc. Keep Yogi from having you for lunch jelly time!🐻
I think you should run those out of your vector but I'm with you. They are junk out of a handgun. They might do better out of a longer barrel but I doubt it
IMO .40 is still the KING of carry. Unless you Must or insist on carrying a Micro or subcompact. Why would I carry same size G19 in 9mm over .40? Unless I'm a woman or tiny man concerned about recoil?
I ordered 2 boxes once it took forever so I call they sent me a free box then a week later I got another 3 box idk why mine was 460 Rowland it seemed fine.
Respectfully, for what it's worth when you compare it to a G2 RIP round it is near the identical just not as much disbursement and the core on those does not go with deep as these
@@ToolsandTargets We live up on a hill, no flooding, had plenty of uprooted oak trees but no home damage, about 3 miles as a crow flies from Asheville. Hope you didn't either Thanks for asking 👍
Crapola rounds! Next! Tools thats for all you do and your sense of humor regarding the performance of these rounds. These are rounds if you're looking for varmint grenades via rounds. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻🏵️💮🌸🌼🏴☠️🏹
.40 is dying cuz the industry is killing it. It’s like when the auto industries killed off popular cars like Pontiacs and shrunk models like the Bronco and the Blazer. It’s about telling the market what it wants to maximize profits, not listening to owners. Sucks.
So to get the advertised muzzle velocity, based on what you tested, they would have had to use a 10” barrel. Isnt that a carbine? Craptastic performance. If someone even gave me a box of this, I’d pull the copper out and recycle it.
150 grain .40 moving that slow is almost criminal. maybe they are using a carbine to get 1200fps. that being said I was surprised by the consistent fragmentation pattern and the penetration. If someone took two of those to the chest I think its fair to bet they wont be making it home in time for dinner.
Can someone please explain why these solid core fragmenting type of projectiles are "pathetic" or "perform awful" and why they get a bad reputation? They look like they would do devastating damage to me.. They have massive initial cavitation and expansion, plus the benefit of a solid core for penetration. Seems like a nice combo 🤷🏼♂️ I would love to see how they perform on an actual carcass of some sort instead of typical gel..
You know, you got some really good videos I just think some people need to know that the average human is 10-12 inches thick and if you shoot them; that wonder bullet might go through them and hit someone else behind the suspect. Of course…..I look at this because I spent my career in the military, 8 years of combat in 4 countries…..I didn’t make it to retirement easy…..I still remember it took 9 rounds to knock down an Iraqi one time…..bullets passed right through him.
I’d rather have straight and factual over civil and nice any day. Great video, Brian.
Thank you, sir. Much appreciated!😎👊
Aria and Hornady must share the same chronograph.
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That would not surprise me even a little bit.
Another .40 fan here. Thanks for keeping hope alive. lol
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Better than 9mm for sure. Shocked to see how many people ran away.
@@jbrown6030 9mm is better for us beginners, but I do want a .40 or a .45
I’m an avid reloader I really enjoy it. Those lighter 150-155 grain 40sw pills are easy to load with a little spice to them. I swear I think I got some factory loaded 155 double tap that clears 1300fps with ease out of a g22 like 1325. It was loaded that way on purpose because if it was a malfunction or something they wouldn’t be so consistent. That or the velocity was out of a much longer barrel! Either way enjoyed the video!
Weak as Pond water 😂
My Dad used to say "Weak as Pee Water" 😂😂
My dad's been gone for over 20 years but I sure remember that and all his other funny sayings. Also the fact he taught me to shoot when I was 5 with a 22 Rifle. I just bought my Daughter a Taurus Gen 2 TX22 TORO for her Birthday. I'm still passing on what my Dad passed on to me.
Thanks for the test and thanks for bringing back a cool memory of my Dad with your funny saying..
😂 Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊
@ToolsandTargets You too! 🇺🇸👊🏻🤙🏻🇺🇸
You do the most comprehensive and detailed real world type testing with the best equipment of anyone on the web. I can not imagine any way you could do it better. I would just like to say thanks, sincerely. You have answered so many questions I have had about caliber and bullet performance over the course of your videos. All I can say is you do an outstanding job of presenting the facts and it is greatly appreciated.
They suckers blew up like a grenade, not much power but blew up, thanks for the test brother. Since you have the top ammo testing videos every company should send you free ammo to test and show the viewers
Appreciate that, my friend.😎👊
We all needed a good laugh. Mourning doves get big & fearsome around here so these might might work on them. Big difference in expand & explode. Appreciate your time.
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@ToolsandTargets Think maybe somebody loaded the wrong projectile/semented in the wrong box. Petals peeled off to easy to be expanding. At least the base went the distance. The Underwood 380 +P are looking better even more 😂.
Ya know, man, I think nobody really talks about it since you're not crazy tactical demonstration guy, but you're a really good shot. Very very good and predictable demonstrations. Excellent work. And thank you for what you do for us.
Nice sized segments to, that’s my biggest gripe about the civil defense is the fragments are too small
I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of this. But with that being said there are much better 40 S&W loads out there . As always thanks for your time in making the videos !
Thank you sir.😎👊
Really like the 40 cal, boost these up to published speeds and I might be impressed. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
Agreed. They need some juice.
I like that you go hard on ammo and call out BS claims. Keep that up.
Also, when is this video from August? 23 degrees in PA today, and we ain't too far apart, and you're rocking just a long sleeve.
😂 This past Monday. It's pretty chilly now.
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Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊
I'd love to see a test of the remington 155gr htp .40 s&w ammo. It's claiming 500ftlbs I'd like to see if that's true, and how it performs. The g22 is my edc so I love it when you test .40 🙂
My local shop has some. I was wondering if I had tested that or not.
@ToolsandTargets I don't think you have, been a subscriber for a long time and watch all your videos. Keep up the great work 👍
I think I read awhile back they test through a "modest carry length 22" proof barrel". Thanks for sharing, I'll be sticking with my Hornady Critical Duty in my .40. Carried it for over 10 years no need to change now.
Looks like Liberty CD. Thank you for the test video.
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If you change the 1st number on the chrono from a 1 to a 2.
Years ago, I got good service from Aria, but none of the 50AE I got from them performed out of a Desert Eagle. Unfortunate... this seems to be the case with many Boutique round makers.
I knew something was off when Aria was offering 400gr and 500gr rounds in 50AE. I know what it took for Magnum Research to develop a 350Gr load for Desert Eagles.
They sure haven't been up to speed.
Interesting stuff Tools, what is pretty sad when manufacturers watered down their products knowing when they're much more capable of what they're trying to sell. Thanks for what you do.🇺🇸👊
Thank you sir. Way off the mark with this stuff.
Weird results. I guess weaker powder might find the penetration vs expansion they were seeking. Fun to watch!
Junk
T&T is the only ammo tester that takes a bad report personally. Hope you are stacking these tests to the rafters…winter is coming🥶❄️
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Yo! Aria! Add more powder to get 1225. Thanks tools!
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I bought some 9 in tactical elite years ago. They shot pretty soft. The penetration and fragmentation would work. I think they tell people what they want to hear, and a lot of folks can't handle too much recoil.
I like the 40. I guess it would hurt a lot but it isn't what I am looking for in my 40s. Thank you for honest representation.
I was hoping it would do better.🤷♂️
I don’t know if it’s the same bullet but Cutting Edge bullets makes a bullet called Raptor bullets. Those bullets are made to segment and the base to continue through. It may be the same bullet.
I think it actually is after I got looking some more. They just completely put the wrong thing in the description, and then loaded it weak as could be.😆
We load the 90gr Raptors from Cutting Edge! I believe its a different projo than what Aria is using
Appreciate the review. I’ll stick with my HST and Critical Duty .40 cal rounds.
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Good one, Brian! All this work to show us what not to get... sometimes the outcomes are downers, that's all there is to it. I can kind of understand watering down the 10mm (of course, I do *not* approve of it!) But watering down a 40 Short & Weak? Now that makes no sense at all! It's like watering down a .380, you might as well carry a .22 rimfire!
I am, however, always grateful to you for taking the time to do these tests as I believe it does provide useful info to those of us who can actually make use of the information!
Cheers,
jc
A .40 150gr advertised at 1225fps...but hardly pushing 1050fps...looks like someone is skimming gunpowder or deriberately missrepresenting their own product..
Yeah, that's more than slightly off.
Between this & the video with the defective 10mm rounds, my desire to try out Aria is gone.
To keep it positive, I will recommend the all copper 40 & 10mm that Double Tap makes. Full power but shoots very smooth.
I don't think I've tried those yet.
@ToolsandTargets They're excellent.
Underwood also has their own 150 gr Barnes 10mm, which are now on discount.
Below freezing! Those are interesting rounds, for sure. Not sure I'd run them though...
So, how do you really feel about these rounds!? lol
Keep up the good work!
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The Raptor is a segmenting bullet made by Cutting Edge. The bullet performed as Cutting Edge says they will but you're right about the weak velocity. Sometimes it's hard to get high velocity with monolithic bullets because of their pressure spike due to being a hard material.
Yeah, it seems that not only does Aria not know how to load them properly, they don't even have the description correct.😆
Liberty & Underwood manage to do it
Strang fragmentation
Thank you sir.
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I really wish ammo companies would be transparent about their test barrels. If you're going to sell defensive ammo for concealed carry, using a 6"-8" barrel just to pump your numbers up is shady.
This stuff would need a 20 incher to hit them numbers.🤭
@@ToolsandTargets u think they were using a pcc??
Interesting. It doesn't perform like advertised but if it was labeled as frangible (maybe segmenting is a better description) it doesn't seem like horrible performance for that type. Never heard of that company before, but I think after watching this, I would pass on it.
No need to apologize. Facts are facts and you show us all an accurate display of the facts…. Keep up the great work 👌👍💥
Appreciate ya!😎👊
Looked good to me, I love the fragment rounds 🥰
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Nothing wrong with fragmenting rounds but these fragments didn't penetrate very deep and the base over penetrated meaning a lot of the bullets energy will not go into the target and will go into whatever or whoever is behind it. I'd rather have a fragmenting round with more energy and one that delivers most of the energy to the target not behind it.
@ he said there was a 4 inch pattern out to 5 inches. Obviously more is better, but that seems adequate. As far as over penetration those words don’t exist in my vocabulary so I don’t even know what that part meant ☺️
@@D45726Lkthsc I guess is 4" is good enough in your view you wouldn't know about penetration 🤔Sorry, I couldn't resist!
Definitely a "fail" if they claim expanding. Would carry them over fmj, but only if they cost like fmj and fed like fmj.
Thank you for your time and videos.
Here we go!
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They better catch wind and fix it! You do make a major impression on these companies guys trust you more than the box labels !
👍👍 thanks for your honesty
"Raptor", more like a "Do-Do".
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@@frawdulentI'll 2nd the name calling correction!
I know I'm late to the party, but when you mentioned that the round was called the "Raptor" I figured it used the Cutting Edge Bullets "Raptor" bullet, a segmenting round just like Lehigh's Controlled Fracturing bullets. Because the ad copy says "expanding", I wasn't sure until the first shot. Sure enough, CEB Raptors.
Yeah, not only did they load the stuff weak, they didn't even get the description right.😆
Steering clear of this should be easy, never seen before online or IRL, lol .40 has become one my fave rounds tho, love the G22 & and G23 in gen 5
👍👍Thanks Tools. If I had a 40 cal I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t be my ammo. But we wouldn’t know if you hadn’t done the testing, appreciate it.
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If that’s supposed to be a “raptor”, it’s easy to see why they are extinct. 🫤
Aint that the truth.😆
Hawks, owls, falcons, and eagles are all raptors. Raptors are birds of prey. They are not extinct.
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@@Mbartel500"Raptor" gets used quite a bit in Jurassic Park movies as a shortened version of Velociraptor. Can't expect any sort of serious zoology or paleontology taking place in these guntube peanut galleries...😂😂😂
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A lot of people just assume that the box is correct. Tools show us the light!
I'm late on this one, if I had a 40 S&W, I don't want that round, THX My Friend. 👍🇺🇲
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Bullet Placement is what really counts❤
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Bollox, that assumes you have everything in your favor and people should always plan for worse case scenarios.
Correct, and not just for 1 shot.
What also (should) count(s)...is recoil (aka; speed and accuracy on follow-up shots).
Defensive choices maybe shouldn't only include "POWER!!!"...but also whether or not a person can shoot 6 or 12 shots with any sort of effectiveness.
It's too bad we don't get to see that sort of testing.
Hunting? yeah - one shot & "give 'er all she's got!!"
Being attacked by a passel of hogs or a squadron of javelinas, or 3 or 4 "uninvited visitors" shoving their way through the front door? Might want to be able to actually hit something and anticipate more than 1 trigger-pull.
Well Tools, looks like I won't be get'n any of these... thanks for the video. ❤
I totally agree that their velocity is weak for the weight however the wound cavity doesn't look to shabby. It did some good permanent damage. It's still pretty weak so my money will be spent else where.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that solid copper bullets are MUCH LONGER than equivalent weight lead bullets. That's why solid coppers are usually LIGHT for caliber. Guaranteed these bullets are as long as 180-200gr lead bullets, hence the slower speed.
Therefore, they performed well if compared to 180gr .40 S&W rounds.
Simply not much room for powder in the short .40 case, with the long solid copper 150 bullet. These would do 1300 in the 10mm, but would just fragment/segment a little wider.
This stuff is trash, period. No one has "forgotten" anything.
@@ToolsandTargetsit depends what a guy is looking for; yes, low energy, but it fragmented like a 125gr 357, with nice big fragments, and a 100gr base penetrating 20 inches! Sounds pretty good to me lol.
It seems "Copper Expanders" should all be considered Frag Rounds, copper will not expand to mushroom like Lead does
With exception in the Extreme Penetrators that have no expansion designed into the effect on fluid mass
I’m a 40 man and I don’t think I will go out of my way to buy this ammo Tools. Nice information.
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Nope. I'll stick to some good cast 41 magnum. Good video Tools!
I like the penetration but there’s many other.40s that stay together at much better velocity. Hard pass from me for sure. Looks like they’ll load with weak sauce regardless of the caliber. Greatest as always good sir 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Definitely some junky stuff.
That is some bizarre yet interesting performance. Though it did seem weak. Plus, if this isn't what it was supposed to do, it makes you wonder if they put the wrong bullets in the box. Which makes their quality control look questionable. I'll be steering clear of Aria in any caliber.
Smash the Like button for higher blood pressure videos! 😂
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Hey Tools, good round for hunting mice 🐭 up to 7 yards 😂
This is a no-go.
Should be called humming bird round!
My guess is these Aria "Raptor" rounds are meant to segment. Copper doesn't consistently fracture at the same place without it being engineered to do so. If it is not designed to fracture, then Aria has a quality control issue. I'll place my bet on, the rounds are designed or engineered to fragment. Whether Aria knew it or not, is a different question.
Yeah, I think they just have the description completely wrong just like their loading.
1225 fps ...oh wait but out of 16 inch barrel 😂
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I like Ol Skul Gold Dot and HST. These don't suck
You should do some more .357 sig & some real 10mm keep up ur grinding brotha ur doing a great job
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@ u think the .357sig hornady without the flex plug will work better than with the flex plug
Thanks again!
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They need to re-label that as low recoil copper fragmenting with deep penetrating core lol! 100 more fps would be nice! 💥💥
That's for sure.😆
Atomic brand ammo does the same - their .44 mag is listed at 1500fps on the box, and wound up at 1100 out of a 5.5 inch barrel...they must be using a rifle to get that.
On the flip side, Grizzly ammo hits high box velocities out of regular, common handguns.
I have a question what is you honest opinion on the glock 48 I have one I actually like it easy to carry and concealment but mine shots about 1 1/2 low and about a 1" to the right I've tried different ammo I would like your thoughts on it and how to solve the sight in anything can change it now this is at 15yd. And 7 yards and help would be appreciated love the videos
Could this be a case of bad QC?
Like wrong labeling of the box or something similar?
Both rounds had the same clean cut on the petals like a segmented round should have.
Anyways, great video again.
Apparently they are segmenting rounds but wrong description and just totally weak loaded. No idea what's goin on with em.
At first look i was reminded of the infamous "Flying Ashtray"... After the shooting it was confirmed!😂
Hmmm, so many 10mm's want to be 40S&W. This 40S&W wants to be a 9mm. Frag pattern looks gnarly though.
Maybe not as advertised. Nonetheless, a good self defense round. Massive initial wound and a penetrating copper slug for vital organs i.e.. heart & lungs.
With a solid copper hollow point bullet that heavy for the diameter, I'm actually surprised that it surpassed 1000fps. The Winchester 155gr Silvertip is rated at 1205fps for an even 500 ft lbs, and that's with a cup and core bullet. A solid copper bullet almost as heavy and at 1225fps? Nope.
Just an idea. Maybe a series of special penetration tests for things like bear defense. Thick layer of leather jacket (local thrift store variety), piece of hard board over the jelly. Pick a caliber and shoot hardball, hard cast, extreme penetrator, etc. Keep Yogi from having you for lunch jelly time!🐻
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I think you should run those out of your vector but I'm with you. They are junk out of a handgun. They might do better out of a longer barrel but I doubt it
I keep forgetting to try some .40 in the vector. I do have that .40 S&W Ruger PC also.
Mean for the power , you could empty the mag quick .
Bravo. Go ahead
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IMO .40 is still the KING of carry.
Unless you Must or insist on carrying a Micro or subcompact.
Why would I carry same size G19 in 9mm over .40? Unless I'm a woman or tiny man concerned about recoil?
I used to want the smallest 9mm I could get a hold of but yeah, I changed my mind on that.
I ordered 2 boxes once it took forever so I call they sent me a free box then a week later I got another 3 box idk why mine was 460 Rowland it seemed fine.
They actually screwed up my order too.😆
Penetration and wound cavities aren't bad, but that muzzle velocity was just sad.... You'd need a carbine to get their advertised velocity.
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Any possibility you can do the Liberty ammo in 40
Thanks
I think I did a while back, but I'll make sure and see if I need to update it.😎👊
What camera and mic do you use?
Combo of GoPro's and a Sony ZV1 for cameras, with a Rode wireless Go 2 mic.
Respectfully, for what it's worth when you compare it to a G2 RIP round it is near the identical just not as much disbursement and the core on those does not go with deep as these
Regardless the results look devastating.
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.40 is dying cuz the industry is killing it. It’s like when the auto industries killed off popular cars like Pontiacs and shrunk models like the Bronco and the Blazer. It’s about telling the market what it wants to maximize profits, not listening to owners. Sucks.
You're not wrong.
I mean hell I would rather just stick with plus p 45 HST or gold dot. But I've never been a 40 fan one way or the other
Do you think 40S&W still reverent?
Nope
It aint goin anywhere.
So to get the advertised muzzle velocity, based on what you tested, they would have had to use a 10” barrel. Isnt that a carbine? Craptastic performance. If someone even gave me a box of this, I’d pull the copper out and recycle it.
Sad stuff
Must have tested from a 16" barrel. Hi-Point carbine. Thx
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150 grain .40 moving that slow is almost criminal. maybe they are using a carbine to get 1200fps. that being said I was surprised by the consistent fragmentation pattern and the penetration. If someone took two of those to the chest I think its fair to bet they wont be making it home in time for dinner.
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...but still an interesting test! 😄
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Not a 40 used but that is just sad a couple grains more of powder and softer copper and they would be ok.
Can someone please explain why these solid core fragmenting type of projectiles are "pathetic" or "perform awful" and why they get a bad reputation? They look like they would do devastating damage to me.. They have massive initial cavitation and expansion, plus the benefit of a solid core for penetration. Seems like a nice combo 🤷🏼♂️ I would love to see how they perform on an actual carcass of some sort instead of typical gel..
You know, you got some really good videos
I just think some people need to know that the average human is 10-12 inches thick and if you shoot them; that wonder bullet might go through them and hit someone else behind the suspect.
Of course…..I look at this because I spent my career in the military, 8 years of combat in 4 countries…..I didn’t make it to retirement easy…..I still remember it took 9 rounds to knock down an Iraqi one time…..bullets passed right through him.
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