Turgon, King of Gondolin - Epic Character History
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- Turgon, the son of Fingolfin was a High-Elf of the Years of the Trees and the First Age in Tolkien’s works. He had the secret kingdom of Gondolin constructed which would play an instrumental part in the events of the Silmarillion. Thank you all so much for watching, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode! Let me know your thoughts about Turgon in the comments, and I’ll see you again next week! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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I find it so ironic and funny that Gondolin was literally in Melkors back yard the whole time when he was looking for it. And thank Eru for Tuor saving what he could and preserving Narsil. Excellent video and thank you so much
Where does it say Tuor saved Narsil?
Glamdring, maybe? Gandalf's sword, Glamdring, belonged to Turgon.
Glamdring, not Narsil
Gondolin was from the very beginning under the special protection of one of the mightiest Valars - Ulmo. It just happen that it was is still on land after all, islands surrounded by water were totally out of reach for Morgoth because of Ulmo mastery over that element hence his attempts to get Osse - a Maiar under Ulmo as his ally.
"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm"
“Unnumbered tears” is one of my favorite epic battles in middle earth. It was the first time men, dwarves and Elves worked together to stop evil once and for all. Hurin must’ve been exceptionally amazing and brave to have headed this alliance against Melkor, Hurin is said to be the greatest human warrior ever and I would agree. It’s just sad that the curse laid upon him and his family would have such devastating effects on his son Turin.
"Aurë entuluva!"
Hurin was steadfast, more than others, but much more susceptible to-and weakened by-his losses of faith and hope. In this, respect, Beren is surely the mightier and more admirable human warrior.
G. Thomás Hart Berens convictions made him stronger, but I’m talking about battle tested physical warrior. Which he has been tested and proven time and time again, also learning with Turgon in Gondolin. I will say Beren is stronger willed and very brave.
DAY WILL COME AGAIN!
what about EARANDIL
Personally I felt that Turgon should have been the one to shelter a pregnant Morwen and Turin instead of him leaving the responsibilities to Thingol. I just find it very ungrateful of him to abandon Hurin’s family after Hurin sacrificed himself to allow the elves of Gondolin to escape in the Battle of Un-numbered tears. I know Turgon was trying to keep Gondolin’s location secret, but he did send sailors and messages to Cirdan in hopes that they would sail back to Valinor to receive aid. So that’s why I believe he could have sent Elves to spirit Morwen and Turin to Gondolin. The only reason I can think it as safe call is because of Hurin being placed on the mountain top and magically being allowed to witness the suffering of his family may have also allowed Melkor to witness the suffering too. And if they had gone to Gondolin Melkor would have learned of the location sooner. I’m curious what others think about all this
I know this comment is a little old but I wanted to share my thoughts. Even though the safety of Gondolin played a huge factor here, Morwen was extremely stubborn and prideful. If she refused to be a guest (or I can't remember the word. She was basically comparing herself as a slave if she stayed with king Thingol) for Thingol, she would most definitely refuse to stay at Gondolin. Especially considering once you enter it, you cannot leave. She would have had a fit and possibly a meltdown before either escaping and revealing the location, or being killed by the guards of Gondolin (and possibly getting her equally stubborn daughter killed too). It wasn't until she pretty much didn't have a choice, and the path was finally cleared, when she finally went to Menegroth. Even then, she refused to stay especially after finding out about her son and we all know how that went.
You are right with Melkor keeping a close watch on Hurin's family. He had spies everywhere and being a Vala, he had a bit of foresight and perceiving eyes. He knew what happened to each member of his family and even sent some evil after them to make them suffer more. Glaurung was icing on the cake. He also most likely knew how stubborn and dumb Morwen was and her children were going to be/are the same as her. The family's own pride and stubbornness, and hotheadedness caused most of their problems. Melkor just needed to wait, give them a light tap, and they went down.
I wonder how his sword ended up in the troll hoard and Gandolf and the others collected them
Tuor brought it with him from Gondolin and gave it to his son Earendil who in turn gave it to his son Elros. It stayed in Numenor until it was brought back with Elendil to Arnor which is where the trolls were. A lot of the relics of the northern kingdom were lost in its destruction.
What Varun said above and yes the trolls and other fell beasts migrated south from the Ettenmoors with relics and treasures. Glamdring was among several items found far later in the Trollshaw area by rangers and of course Thorins company.
Re-reading the Hobbit and it fills me with joyous wonder that Glmadring is discovered seemingly by chance in a troll cave by Gandalf and company. That is a blade with a truly epic story.
My Sunday night stop at the Prancing Pony for a quick pint, some long bottom leaf, good friends and another great middle earth history lesson
Ha well said freind. Tho give me a half pint in the Green Dragon Inn any day..
U can keep your fancy ale... lol
The only brew for the brave and true
Turgon is probably one of my most favorite Elven kings during The First Age. And with how great Gondolin was up to it's fall, he was a pretty great architect! :)
I suspect the downfall of Turgon and Gondolin was inevitable. Turgon fell under the Doom of Mandos. Choosing his end centuries before. All things are as they are, for they can be no other way. If that's true, it makes the tale all the more sad.
Blindness and arrogance, lead to the downfall of many of the wisest elves. Just a few days until the book launch. Can't wait, and great video as always. Thanks so much for your time and effort each week.
+Death Star II The new book on the Fall of Gondolin was out on Thursday
What if Fram was killed by Scatha?
What if Smaug survived the events of the Hobbit?
What if Elrod took the Ring?
What if Tar-Miriel had become queen of Numenor instead of Ar-Farazon?
What if king Earnur was not killed by the witch-King?
What if Saruman was not a traitor?
What if Smaug took the Ring?
What if Durin's Bane took the Ring?
What if Glaurung killed Turin?
What if the battle of Un-numbered tears never took place?
(sorry for my bad spelling)
YES! FINALLY!!! *also something to do while I am slowly dying of boredom*
Arrogance kills so man of these elves man Faenor, Turgon, Thingol sigh
Minato D Roger in their defense , they were very powerful and helped many of their kin
@@loki1188 true except Faenor he was a dick
For some reasons arrogance is the weakness of elves.
I think it's kind of mean to group Turgon in with Thingol and Feanor lol. Turgon was mostly a good dude. Even Thingol, while being crazy arrogant, had his good spots. Feanor is a straight up cock.
K S Turgon was old as fuck, he probably got into gardening and shit and didn’t want to think about the oath or morgoth.. he had a grandkid he was probably super psyched about, harvest festival coming up.
Can you do a character history on each of the sons of Finarfin. I feel they deserve as much attention and recognition as their sister Galadriel. And the fact that one of them was the only male elf to fall in love with a mortal woman.
I would love a video about the story o Finrod Felagund.
Wanted to see this as it's getting close for the Fall of Gondolin book! Pls do one video about Earendil and his wife Elwing it would be great
I've read the Silmarillion and the tale of Gondolin. It is like so many of the stories of the First Age and ends in tragedy. I wonder how much new information will be added in the new book. I like to look at the final end of the First Age with the destruction of Thangorodrim and the fall of Morgoth.
there is no place like middle earth .. don't say westeros or marvel or even harry potter world i will never compare this world to any one.. tolkien forever
I've ordered the book and can't wait for it to arrive
Another superb history kind Sir
And a truly wonderful character created by the mighty J.R.R
Me too. I can pick up my copy tomorrow, yay!!
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Whoo hoo ! Enjoy
Mine is scheduled for delivery on Monday
Death Star II
The Fall of Gondolin
Turgon, Turgon! Remember the Fen of Serech!
Arrogance was his undoing.. you an Immortal would know better bad...(sigh) sadly not...a tragic character far sighted yet blinded...
Not trying to be an arse but thought i should say. Cairn is pronounces as if saying "Kay-ern" Not "Kah-rin" The scottish in me just had to educate XD lol
Heck yes!!! Can we have a Fingolfin video?
Love Gondolin and the Silmarilion stuffs
I like this voice! Although my altime favorite lotr voice is arachir Galudirathon almost over tolkien himself. He comes from the same area in england as tolkien to i belive. Everyone should really check Galu out! He is the main modder of Third age DaC and make amazing videos to. Go sub him if you are a fan of Men of the West!
Gondolin is one of the coolest elven kingdoms and one of my favorite sub-stories of the Silmarillion. Great job once again!
Glad to be first to watch your video MotW, nice work !
So. Freaking. AWESOME!!!! Thanks, man! Another masterpiece!
What if Feanor had lived?
The artwork shown in this video is absolutely beautiful. Kudos to the artists!
#menofthewest Amazon seriously needs to watch your Channel!!!!!!
Can you please do a Region Highlight for Dol Amroth and the knights of the Silver Swan?
Love that 1st blue toned picture of Turgon because Tolkien said the most distinguishable feature of the elves were their Bright Eyes! (Not their leaf shaped wars lol)
I hate to point this out, but the Valar aren't gods. They're very akin to high-level angels, while Maiar are akin to low-level angels. Ainur (the Valar and the Maiar) means "holy ones". Eru Iluvatar is essentially God in Tolkien's Middle-earth, especially when you consider that his very name means "The One Father of All."
High level angels fill the role of lesser gods in monotheistic systems.
Nice video I've always been wondering about h can you do a video on the goblens of the most mountains
Him
When will Amazon make a series about Finrod and Turgon as adventuring friends, followed by their stories as kings?
Well, I know their tv show will have a non-linear story over the seasons, so the first season is confirmed to be about Aragorn pre-LotR, but the second, third, fourth, and fifth seasons could each be about any story. I personally would like to see the Fall of Gondolin, the Fall of Moria, Fall of Doriath, and maybe a story about the betrayal of Ulfang's kin? Like how Morgoth's spies infiltrated, and them planning the betrayal, etc.
@@charlieomalley7987 nah i'd would rather see a lot of those as movies. Especially the fall of Gondolin, it's material is legit masterpiece worthy provided it is done as well as the lord of the rings trilogy.
YAS. Their friendship is so important to me 🥺
Turgon did get one thing right though if all else went to not. He let Tuor marry his only child which led to the birth of Earendil, the savior of Middle-Earth.
Man, I'd love to play a D&D game with your knowledgeable self. Keep up Eru Ilúvatar's work dood
History of the different elves?
Yes Pleeeeez!!!
Great video as usual, but your mispronunciation of Maeglin, Eol, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, and Maedhros was slightly irking. Not really trying to criticize that much, but just a thought.
I have often wondered why people regard the elves as wise...
I like to think that while all the films were made, real lore masters like yourself were on site consulting.
What about the kings of Gondor video that would be cool
Really great job on all these videos, mate. Came across your channel by chance a few days back and as a Tolkien fan who loves to reread the LotR books annually, it has been a great joy for me to go through all the other details that I've forgotten from Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion (which I should reread again). Keep up the good work!
Love you boys lots;)
We love you too man!
Just a note on pronunciation, "Idril" is not pronounced "eye-drill".
Yes it is. Her daddy wanted her to grow up to be an opthalmic surgeon.
Good evening
Awaiting the movie ... come on PJ
Idril is pronounced something like E-dril, not the way you would read the letter "I" in english. Still love your videos though!
Eol also but what the heck
Turgon, my second favorite high king of the Noldor
My first Finrod or Finarafin or Turgon
Me too. With Fingolfin and Finrod
I love your videos. They are so relaxing.
In a few communities, we have a replacement for Capitalism or Communism. It's called Turgonism. Turgonism means fucking things up so badly that you sink a continent
Yet one more breathe of fresh MiddleEarth air amidst the chaos and nonsense of our 'real world'. I'd certainly prefer to be in MiddleEarth as our world creeps ever nearer akin to Mordor. Peace All.
Gundora and height almost ruled almost a Southern central piece of middle Earth globe wise
Manga elves are so weak and defenseless in comparison.
I want that book I want it !!!
Weird that all of this never became a movie. Guess they will be using lots of it for the upcoming tv series.
I dont think they are allowed to use silmarillion material
Wielder of the secret comment, this dark comment will not avail you, go back to the shadow, YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!
Alright I have to say this. I am feeling left out in your outtro, as you speak about the Men of the West, and all the free peoples of Middle Earth. However I am a man of Rhûn, and proud of it, not to mention that I too am just as free as the Men of the West. So why do you have to leave us good Men of Rhûn out?
a new Tolkien work being published?
I'm sorry for pointing this out, but the picture of Bagend shows a road worn by a car. If it was a horse drawn carriage, it would also be worn in the centre of the road by the horses hooves. I know its nothing, but its been annoying me! lol Anyway another great video.
I wonder about the city shown at 6:40. At first I thought that it was Aquilondë , or perhaps a city on Tol Eressëa. However, I’m beginning to think that it really is Andúnië on Númenor, In which case it would have existed thousands of years after Gondolin.
Love this video, as I enjoy all of your videos. The story of Turgon and the fall of Gondolin is definitely one of the cornerstones of the Legendarium. Yes, it is a classic FA story of hope, tragedy and almost no redemption. Tolkien is brilliant in the way he presents these various threads of his history, and in each major tragedy there is always some brilliant point of light. In the case of the fall of Gondolin, that would be Glorfindel and the events that led Eärendil to return to Valinor.
I have to wait until Monday morning to watch your videos cause I live across the pond (Atlantic Ocean) in Dublin Ireland. I love your videos and the way you describe the stories and I think I have said this before but love your channel and work also the artwork for each video is tops ( brilliant). Keep up with the good work and I'm already looking forward to next video. Your the best. 👍👌😉👏👏
In my opinion, Gondolin was maybe the most powerful and most feared nation of the Noldor. Morgoth feared very few Elves (like Feanor or Fingolfin), and one of these elves was Turgon because of Gondolin. I think an army without dragons of balrogs would never be able to conquer it. Even Gothmog died back then in a fight against the badass-Gondolin-Noldor.
Cheers Yostan for another most excellent video!
For those of you that haven't seen it, this is a an awesome fan made film of the Story of Aragon finding Gollem right before the Fellowship of the Ring story. Enjoy you Men and Ladies of the West.
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What do I think of Turgon? ... hm ... well Turgon_the_Wise is my go to account name for video games so ...
Though I guess "the wise" part of his title quite ironically applies more to the days when he was younger.
I haven't pre-ordered the Fall of Gondolin, sadly, but I plan on picking it up as soon as it is available at my local brick and mortar bookstore. I really enjoy these kinds of videos, it'll be really cool to see what Christopher Tolkien has made of his father's work with this new book. Many thanks for the fantastic video as always, and keep them coming. I turn off adblock every time I watch one.
6:45 valars were not gods ! Iluvatar was kinda god.
Love how you always find the moral behind the story, Yoystan, and nail it!
One thought though - do you think Turgon's downfall was really arrogance? I think it may have been more his complacency, as Gondolin had evaded the attention of Morgoth for so long.
Pride bringing the reason for Turgon's fall - most assuredly. I personally think he was willfully ignorant, though it has been a while since I read The Silmarillion.
I have a request, would perhaps be interesting aswell, would you consider making a video about Faramir and when Aragorn ascended the throne of Gondor, did Faramir support his claim as he was the steward after Denethor died? And about the dunedain of Gondor, I have heard about dunedain from the north but never of Gondor before...
Yet another great video and outstanding narrative man, very accurate and spot on from the Tolkien canon. Thank you again.
Indeed it is sad that of all the things that could bring Gondolin to ruin it turns out it would inadvertently be Turgons sister. But I don't believe she meant it to happen. Turgon pleaded and tried to make the case that one and all, the elves of Gondolin could not leave because by doing so they may be followed or discovered thus revealing the cities location. Unfortunate it was that his worry came full circle. Had she not left it could be assumed that eventually Melkor may have found it but still he did not have to wait long for someone else to do that for him. Melkor HATED absolutely hated elves, and so knowing where the city was meant its doom. Sad story but good did come of it because it finally woke the free peoples out of a long slumber of complacency.
I've learnt so much from Yoystan, fair thee well and I pray you keep these videos coming out... 🤗🙂
I really like your videos. For some reason your moral of the story ideas remind me of the He-Man cartoons of the early 80's that I used to watch as a kid. Keep up the good work!!
Hello there! epic video again. Can you make a video about Maeglin. His story is tragic. So much drama with him being rejected by the one he loves
I don't think I can take Ëol seriously anymore if it's pronounced Ool...
is there a video about Tuor and Idril?
Thank you so much for the heads up! I will buy the new LotR book, "The Fall of Gondolin" asap!
May we have a movie about the great eagles and Gwahir? love the channel thanx
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Im fairly a novice when it comes to the rich lore of Tolkien's universe but from what i can gather in watching your videos, it seems the Elves have a tragic history and slowly fade away as the age goes by. Seems like those who reside at Valinor are the remaining Elves by the 4th age.
After watching and listening to both parts of the tale of Turin, I was glad to see that the use of the name "Mormegil" was clarified to one that was used by Turin, and not given to the sword he carried, as was indicated in the video of famous/infamous named weapons within the legendarium.
It's interesting that the names Turgon and Gondolin are of Sindarin name origin? Shouldn't both be of Quenya origin?
Will you one day do a colab with GeekZone? He is another Middle Earth themed TH-camr
Ah, pride and ego brings downfall every time.
You start out smart, and end up dumb.
His pronunciations aren’t that good.
He was the owner of Gandalf's future sword? Awesome. I am interested.
there must be still some orcs lurking around, because i cant imagine a human could dislike this video. Its a divine content, something like youtube version of lembas .
The long awaited videos of the first age are here . Thank you men of the west for accepting my request. May your channel grow
Btw, you are pronouncing mae govanen mellon (mellyn for plural) and if you are interested on how to pronounce the many other words please ask or do some research
How shall we leave the lost road?
Time's getting short so follow me
A leader's task so clearly
To find a path out of the dark
The battle of unnumbered tears is shown really greatly described in the children of hurin book
It feels wrong and call anyone father ,but Yahuah or god .and to say the name of a false god,thus is wrong.
Incredible work. Thank you so much, i really enjoyed this video
love ur videos... but you're butchering some od the elven names...
I think it's sad that TH-cam takes so long to put these vids out for us..I watch them on my phone
Love when you upload man. I end up going through phases where I don’t obsess over Lotr and its lore so i love when you upload so I am reminded how epic it is!
Great video as always! Could you possibly do a character history on Tuor?
Amazing video👍🏻 could you pls do one on Feanor and/or his sons
Can you make an epic character history of HALDIR
Glamdring which Gandalf weided