Great video. My only comment would be about semantics. I would categorize the Mizuno HM HL as a "super game improvement" iron. When I think "game improvement" I think the regular Hot Metal and the Pro with the regular being for the upper range of the mid-handicapper and the pro being in the lower range of the mid-handicapper. Don't know the other lines nearly as well so I don't know if they are apples-to-apples or apples-to-oranges to the HM HL's from that perspective.
I was fitted with Cleveland Zipcore XL back in February. Always played Pings. My playing buddies can’t believe how well I hit my irons now. The Cleveland’s are outstanding! Great video and breakdown of all the irons.
Cleveland XL halos gave what I was looking for... (18 handicap) I made some great shots approaching the green my last few rounds, confidence I've never had before...
I would be really interested in a comparison video for the Cleveland Zipcore XL and the Srixon ZX4 MKII irons. I know the ZX4 has a forged face and the Cleveland is cast, but I'm curious about the differences in feel and forgiveness.
I truly need to know, have you ever pured any iron and not have it feel buttery? So far in my experience, every club club feels great in the sweet spot.
Yeah, we agree. Different clubs feel different when they are flushed obviously. Stay tuned for the "Player Irons" top 5 video, we will discuss that feeling more in that video. Obviously the more of a "Player Iron" you hit the more you will feel that soft buttery feel but also the bad feeling off of misses. Thanks for watching 👍
I personally have the PXG P series irons. Love them for the short irons but cannot for the life of me hit the long irons. Maybe I need to mix in the XP's for the long irons in the future and have a mixed set.
I used to play Hogan Pro’s and switched to those and they sound the same with amazing distance and spin. Also had the lofts adjusted to keep the flight down. They are amazing, the sound is mind blowing so pure!
Just got mine this season. First custom fit clubs I’ve had and they are unreal. Great spacing and straight hitting. No surprise bombs like with the Taylor made Qi’s they are much more consistent and feel way more satisfying
Have the TAKOMO Forged Hollow Body 101’s which are similar to Taylormade P790’s and can work the Ball ,Shot 73 last week , Lower Ball Flight! $460.00 Delivered . Also have the King Cobra Forged Tech Hollow Body which are more blade like but love them too but lot more$$$$
Great video. I play exactly what you said about the Srixons. I play zx4, 4 and 5 iron and 6-AW with the zx5's. Excellent all the way through. I play at a 5 hcp and was considering going with all zx4's but the offset is a bit too much because my misses are left and this may make it worse. Thoughts?? Thanks.
They lower the center of gravity which creates higher launch with a stronger loft and the stronger loft creates less deflection at the surface between the ball and the club so you get more ball speed to club head speed ratio.
If that type of club doesn’t work for your game because you have fast club head speeds then I’d recommend a forgiving players iron like the ping i230. I need the forgiveness but I swing faster than average and those clubs have been amazing for me
I currently play P790 6 thru gap. How do you think Mizuno HMP stack up to them? Got an amazing deal so am getting a set soon of the HMP's. You guys make the best videos!!
@@raymondgoyco5426they didn’t include the Pings because the company wouldn’t send them the irons…they mentioned that at the beginning of this video…just saying…
Ha, honest review, but unfortunately Cleveland’s brand isn’t strong. Golfers IMO would rather stack brands than birdies 😂. Look at my $$$ clubs, I’m a 25 HCP, but I look like I have a 6 HCP.
I went from Mizuno mp-20 to the titelist t-350. So awesome to have the forgiveness. Now shooting from 85-90. Now shooting 78-82. Great move to game improvement clusvs
I saw Rick Shields review the mizuno hot medal & pro. They had trouble holding greens. I'm hoping the HL is better. I wish you showed the decent angle and spin
I would try and hit them both if you can. The 790's look a little better in my opinion and feel great with the "Speed foam" but the cleveland feels great too and is more forgiving. So just depends on what you want. Hope that helps 👌
I am brand new to golf and am looking for my first set of irons. I looked at the Wilson irons and the stealth HD irons thus far. Would you recommend either of these or something different?
Wilson makes a great iron! We'll have content on that coming very soon. Taylormade makes good irons as well, i would highly recommend hitting some Cleveland irons if you can! They are fantastic 🙌🏼
That’s a surprise, Cleveland XL, just this afternoon I pulled my old Cleveland CG-16 irons out of closet considering replacing my Titleist T-350 irons. They brought back fond memories. Can you guys suggest a shaft for a 77 year old man seeking to improve?
I went to my local shop and hit some of the 2023 GI irons and randomly hit a few with the P790 and wow is that a sweet club. I'm probably not good enough to hit it, but the look at address and feel was so nice. My swing is busted and I pull everything left (no hook) so they fit me pretty well in that regard, I just wonder how forgiving they are.
We really did like the T350 but it didn't make the top for us in Game improvement. Stay tuned for the player's iron review. They'll be in that video for sure.
Unfortunately 28% of Champions Tour players use Ping irons. And in the words of Lee Westwood, Ping golf clubs are the most played golf clubs by non sponsored players in professional golf. That is a HUGE endorsement. Just because they won't play ball doesn't mean they aren't still top dog.
Thats a good point. We never bashed there product, just the fact that we cant get our hands on anything to try or review without going out and buying it from a big box store.
It’s good to hit them all back to back. 12 cap in my 60’s but can still hit a solid drive 250+. I just tried them all 2 weeks ago in a trackman launch bay session. Liked the Wilson, Srixon & Mizuno but I went with the Cobra forged Tec X. Good feel, launch, spin and a little less clunky look than most.
I hit the Ping 730 7 iron as a demo last week and for someone in their mid 60's I got awesome distance, 160 to 170. Still, I am hearing lots of good things about the Clevelands so worth a look! Thanks for the video.
The Ping G430 irons arent bad at all. Just not top 5 based on when we reviewed them last season. Stay tuned for the Dynapower.... We have some content coming soon we think you'll like on those 🙌🏼
Absolutely love my 0311 XP PXGs. Mishits stay on line. I don’t get to play and practice as much as I’d like bc of work but they’re one of my best golf purchases ever
Great review guys would agree with your decisions I must try those Cleveland’s! Shame on Titleist and Ping their irons are excellent but expensive. The only other brand would be Wilson Dynapwr to go head to head with Cleveland and similar price, but would suggest Cleveland might have the edge on looks and technology. Greetings from 🇬🇧.
I think we will probably start seeing leaked images around September but i'm not positive. Thats just when you can usually start seeing the mock ups and stuff.
My dad picked out the ai smoke for his new set yesterday. First new set in over a decade. He was hitting them super straight at the fitting. Very impressed!
We eliminated the Srixon ZX4 first... I know they are the same mother company, but get out there and do this test yourself. Send us a link to your video review, we'll be very intrigued to see what you find. Thanks for watching Turkey
Excellent video guys, Cleveland ZIP XL are truly incredible.
Yeah they are!
Great video. My only comment would be about semantics. I would categorize the Mizuno HM HL as a "super game improvement" iron. When I think "game improvement" I think the regular Hot Metal and the Pro with the regular being for the upper range of the mid-handicapper and the pro being in the lower range of the mid-handicapper. Don't know the other lines nearly as well so I don't know if they are apples-to-apples or apples-to-oranges to the HM HL's from that perspective.
I was fitted with Cleveland Zipcore XL back in February. Always played Pings. My playing buddies can’t believe how well I hit my irons now. The Cleveland’s are outstanding! Great video and breakdown of all the irons.
Thanks for sharing! We agree with you there! Thanks for watching 👍
The Cleveland's what are outstanding?
@@pistonburner6448 well certainly not the Browns 😅
Great video and like the format to rank top 5 clubs. You guys have great chemistry and you both have different opinions, but agree on the winner.
Cleveland XL halos gave what I was looking for... (18 handicap) I made some great shots approaching the green my last few rounds, confidence I've never had before...
Love it! Thanks for sharing 👌
I shoot even par with 90s Callaway X14s. Clubs haven't changed contrary to what companies want you to believe 😂😂
I would be really interested in a comparison video for the Cleveland Zipcore XL and the Srixon ZX4 MKII irons. I know the ZX4 has a forged face and the Cleveland is cast, but I'm curious about the differences in feel and forgiveness.
I truly need to know, have you ever pured any iron and not have it feel buttery? So far in my experience, every club club feels great in the sweet spot.
Yeah, we agree. Different clubs feel different when they are flushed obviously. Stay tuned for the "Player Irons" top 5 video, we will discuss that feeling more in that video. Obviously the more of a "Player Iron" you hit the more you will feel that soft buttery feel but also the bad feeling off of misses. Thanks for watching 👍
New to the channel and huge fan already yall give nice honest sounding takes !
2023 Adams idea are extremely affordable and great irons maybe review them next to Wilson and Cleveland?
We'll have to get them in and try them out! Thanks for watching 👍
Just got fitted for Adams and couldn't even mishit them...$399 5-GW can't beat them.
Just bought a bag of XL launchers. Assembled 14 clubs with bag for under 1k all new with the exception of 1 demo wood and 1 demo iron. I’m excited!
That is awesome! Nice Work! 🙌🏼
How does the Cleveland compare to the big bertha 23 irons. ?!
We sell much more Cleveland to ones that hit both... Cleveland wins that comparison IMO
@embersgolf my mind has been set on the berth 23, but I need to hit the clevland. I just can't find them in stores
I have the mizuno jpx hot metal irons in my bag and it has shaved off 6-8 strokes off my game compared to the nike slingshots i was rocking with.
I just ordered jpx hot metals to replace my Nike slingshots too! I’m really looking forward to getting them in and taking them to the course.
I personally have the PXG P series irons. Love them for the short irons but cannot for the life of me hit the long irons. Maybe I need to mix in the XP's for the long irons in the future and have a mixed set.
Not a bad idea, may help you out a lot! Let us know if you try them what you think 🙌🏼
I play the Wilson Dynapower Forged irons and they are the best iron I have every played and they look incredible.
We have some coming in
@@embersgolf ..your list is incomplete until you try them.
I've heard good things about the Wilson Dynapower Forged irons.
I used to play Hogan Pro’s and switched to those and they sound the same with amazing distance and spin. Also had the lofts adjusted to keep the flight down. They are amazing, the sound is mind blowing so pure!
We got some good content for you guys coming soon that we think you'll like! Stay tuned 🙌🏼
Just got mine this season. First custom fit clubs I’ve had and they are unreal. Great spacing and straight hitting. No surprise bombs like with the Taylor made Qi’s they are much more consistent and feel way more satisfying
Very good content. Amateur production.
Game improvement is not a word,it's a phrase. Your English teacher is very upset.
That was fun. Hard to argue with your choices but the Gen 6 is so easy to hit. Thanks guys.
Yeah it is! And it looks good 🔥 Thanks for watching Todd 👌
Have the TAKOMO Forged Hollow Body 101’s which are similar to Taylormade P790’s and can work the Ball ,Shot 73 last week , Lower Ball Flight! $460.00 Delivered . Also have the King Cobra Forged Tech Hollow Body which are more blade like but love them too but lot more$$$$
I have the Takomo 201s and love them!!!
@@steveadair7942 Heard nothing but Good things on them ! Great Clubs ,Great Value !
Great video. I play exactly what you said about the Srixons. I play zx4, 4 and 5 iron and 6-AW with the zx5's. Excellent all the way through. I play at a 5 hcp and was considering going with all zx4's but the offset is a bit too much because my misses are left and this may make it worse. Thoughts?? Thanks.
I forgot to mention that I am 68 and looking to make the game easier by possibly going with the easier to hit zx4's but the offset is concerning.
I agree on Cleveland but the new Ben Hogan edge forged face very forgiving a ND great sound plus less the Cleveland if ypur looking at best price.
We'll need to try them out soon!
Shafts are the most important
I've been playing callaway Diablo edges since they've come out and maybe it's time to update
I don’t like the strong lofts of modern game improvement irons
The technology gives them the right apex to stop on the green, it's pretty much a non existent issue anymore, and u gain distance, 😉
Why ..explain pls
They lower the center of gravity which creates higher launch with a stronger loft and the stronger loft creates less deflection at the surface between the ball and the club so you get more ball speed to club head speed ratio.
If that type of club doesn’t work for your game because you have fast club head speeds then I’d recommend a forgiving players iron like the ping i230. I need the forgiveness but I swing faster than average and those clubs have been amazing for me
Loft is just one number. What about apex, distance, launch angle and descent angles they matter.
Game improvement is two words... I'm just saying
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I currently play P790 6 thru gap. How do you think Mizuno HMP stack up to them? Got an amazing deal so am getting a set soon of the HMP's. You guys make the best videos!!
Nice! Yeah the Mizuno Hot Metal line up really help's with distance, the technology in them works very well!
Love my Ping G430s. Shaved 6 stroke immediately. Can't imagine any of these being better. All personal preference I guess.
Yeah as a G425 owner I was surprised they didn’t include the G430’s. Great video nonetheless!
@@raymondgoyco5426they didn’t include the Pings because the company wouldn’t send them the irons…they mentioned that at the beginning of this video…just saying…
Which irons are you hitting, 4? 5?
Wilson Dynapower?
Love the channel. Real and honest reviews. Just a bit disappointed there isn't a Wilson Dynapower Forged.
Agree, love love love my dynapower and they look amazing.
We got some good stuff coming out with what you mentioned 🤫 Stay tuned, I think you'll like what you see!
@embersgolf You guys always have something up your sleeve. Looking forward to it.
Ha, honest review, but unfortunately Cleveland’s brand isn’t strong. Golfers IMO would rather stack brands than birdies 😂. Look at my $$$ clubs, I’m a 25 HCP, but I look like I have a 6 HCP.
Haha
Good vid but tooooo much trying to be funny. (not trying to be a dick mind you BUT leave the comedy out)
Ok, thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching 👍
I went from Mizuno mp-20 to the titelist t-350. So awesome to have the forgiveness. Now shooting from 85-90. Now shooting 78-82. Great move to game improvement clusvs
Huge oversight not including the t350 in top five. It is numero uno for me. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Yes,I have hit all those others in this video.
Thanks for watching and sharing Jeff and Robert
Grips are just as important. Wrong grips can make a $1500 iron set feel like a pile of crap. Golf pride MCC grips 💯. MCC grips will change your game
Aint that the truth!
How about Wilson Dynapower?
I saw Rick Shields review the mizuno hot medal & pro. They had trouble holding greens. I'm hoping the HL is better. I wish you showed the decent angle and spin
Yeah if you struggle with launch and spin the HL will help you in that category.
Would you recommend getting the Cleveland’s from this video or the P790s if your a mid handicapper?
I would try and hit them both if you can. The 790's look a little better in my opinion and feel great with the "Speed foam" but the cleveland feels great too and is more forgiving. So just depends on what you want. Hope that helps 👌
Surprised at your inclusion of PXG because I thought that they were only sold direct. So, are they now sold by stores and or club fitting shops?
We have an account with them. Im not sure about other stores 🤷🏻♂️
Did they say what iron their hitting?
Talormade Stealth HD's...think you guys left out the leader in the field....
I’m going to look a Tommy Armour 845’s at Dicks for half the price.
We'll need to try them out 👍
I am brand new to golf and am looking for my first set of irons. I looked at the Wilson irons and the stealth HD irons thus far. Would you recommend either of these or something different?
Wilson makes a great iron! We'll have content on that coming very soon. Taylormade makes good irons as well, i would highly recommend hitting some Cleveland irons if you can! They are fantastic 🙌🏼
Thanks for watching and for the support on the channel 🙏
I think Srixon zx5 mark ii would be first. However, I need to hit the ping I 530 to get my final answer
Zx5 isn’t in the game improvement catagory. Player distance category… that video is coming
@@embersgolf ZX4 mkii?
Nobody talks about Hogan ex irons. The best feeling irons on the market.
I’ve heard that before 🤔
I just bought the pxg xps was that a bad choice?
Heck no great irons !! Some of the best
@@iceblock3 thayou brotha i see dat now! Lol
I play the PXG Gen5's and wouldn't trade them for anything else except possibly Ping i500's.
Combining elegance and luxury kislux
Thanks for watching 👌
Help- cannot afford these clubs- tellme good 4 o5 year old choice in my budget
That’s a surprise, Cleveland XL, just this afternoon I pulled my old Cleveland CG-16 irons out of closet considering replacing my Titleist T-350 irons. They brought back fond memories. Can you guys suggest a shaft for a 77 year old man seeking to improve?
How do you guys think the Cleveland’s zipzore XL’s hold up against they TaylorMade stealths?
I’ve used PXG for 6 years, and just ordered the new gen7 series. Great fitter here locally
I went to my local shop and hit some of the 2023 GI irons and randomly hit a few with the P790 and wow is that a sweet club. I'm probably not good enough to hit it, but the look at address and feel was so nice. My swing is busted and I pull everything left (no hook) so they fit me pretty well in that regard, I just wonder how forgiving they are.
You did not indicate why T350 was not included in the video
We really did like the T350 but it didn't make the top for us in Game improvement. Stay tuned for the player's iron review. They'll be in that video for sure.
I purchased the PXG gen 6 0311xp after shopping many brands. I didn't know how bad my old irons were until I played the pxg's
I hit the ai smoke today and was really impressed. I wanna hit the Cleveland xl but its gonna be hard to beat the ai smokes
Dynapower forged are slept on
So, we just picked up Wilson. So those reviews are coming!
If you go with a G.I. Iron for your 4 and 5, does it leave a big yardage gap to your “non G.I.” 6 iron?
Change the settings on the computer, it says uve been hitting a driver.
I’m gonna check out your bbq channel 🍖 🤙🏼
Yeah you do! 🙏
Unfortunately 28% of Champions Tour players use Ping irons. And in the words of Lee Westwood, Ping golf clubs are the most played golf clubs by non sponsored players in professional golf. That is a HUGE endorsement. Just because they won't play ball doesn't mean they aren't still top dog.
Thats a good point. We never bashed there product, just the fact that we cant get our hands on anything to try or review without going out and buying it from a big box store.
It’s good to hit them all back to back. 12 cap in my 60’s but can still hit a solid drive 250+. I just tried them all 2 weeks ago in a trackman launch bay session. Liked the Wilson, Srixon & Mizuno but I went with the Cobra forged Tec X. Good feel, launch, spin and a little less clunky look than most.
I hit the Ping 730 7 iron as a demo last week and for someone in their mid 60's I got awesome distance, 160 to 170. Still, I am hearing lots of good things about the Clevelands so worth a look! Thanks for the video.
Are the Cleveland XL iron heads heavy or light ? Thanks
No Ping G430? Are you nuts? 😂🤣😂
And what about the Wilson Dynapowers as well.
I’m sure the Cleveland’s would be worth a try as well.
The Ping G430 irons arent bad at all. Just not top 5 based on when we reviewed them last season. Stay tuned for the Dynapower.... We have some content coming soon we think you'll like on those 🙌🏼
You missed Taylormade Stealth
This was for 2024 iron sets. Being so the QI10 is new to 2024 they took the spot of the Stealth irons. Thanks for watching 👍
The chubby guy shouldn't be playing blades if he can't make consistent contact with these clubs. Lol
Thanks for watching
There are less than 30% of amateur golfers can consistently break 90 and can hit a 7 iron 180y, so your targets are those play below 80?
90's are in play for us sometimes 🤷🏻♂️ Depends on the day as it does for most... Thanks for watching
Just starting the video. Im betting they miss one of the BEST! Yep they did. WILSON CB beats most of these shown!
Stay tuned Cliff, we have some content dropping very soon that we think you will really like 🙌🏼
Love the video! I personally went with the PXG 0211. I wanted the Gen 6, but I don’t have the game to justify the extra $600 bucks.❤
If they're working for you thats a huge win! Thanks for sharing 🙌🏼
If I may be permitted two comments... I'd heard that Wilson was making a comeback after being acquired.
That is true! Stay tuned, we will have some content Very Very soon for you on that 👌
I am going to try these this weekend. I can’t believe they are better than Callaway and Taylormade so thank you.
What regular shaft would you suggest, my hits always go high.
Were those Cleveland XL Irons the Launcher, Halo or Zipcore ?
zipcore
Absolutely love my 0311 XP PXGs. Mishits stay on line. I don’t get to play and practice as much as I’d like bc of work but they’re one of my best golf purchases ever
Nice! Thanks for watching and sharing matt 👍
Great review guys would agree with your decisions I must try those Cleveland’s! Shame on Titleist and Ping their irons are excellent but expensive. The only other brand would be Wilson Dynapwr to go head to head with Cleveland and similar price, but would suggest Cleveland might have the edge on looks and technology. Greetings from 🇬🇧.
Thanks for watching! Got some great content with Wilson coming your way soon so stay tuned 🙌🏼
And what about EU?
these two are clowns
Thanks Triple D
Great review! I live in Oregon, but travel to Longmont, CO for work. Will definitely stop in the next time I am in town. You have earned my business!
Yeah you do! Thanks for watching and for the support Kevin 🙏
Pull Ping from your shop asap
We cant even get them to return our calls or messages to try and get them in our shop or on the channel 🤷🏻♂️
@@embersgolf WOW!!!!!!!
Hi guys, when can we expect the new jpx hot metals to release? And what sort of price will they be when they come out?
I think we will probably start seeing leaked images around September but i'm not positive. Thats just when you can usually start seeing the mock ups and stuff.
Excellent video guys. Really enjoyed it. Where you located.. been 25 years since I got fitted to the irons I have now.. may be time for a new set
Thats what we like to hear! We are just outside of Denver CO. Thanks for watching 🙏
Ai Callaway max
Great video! Love the honest and unbiased reviews you guys do
Thanks so much!
Unbiased? Did you not see the big sign behind them and the hat they were wearing 😂
What about shafts
MALTBY Irons at Golf Works⛳🏌️
We'll need to try and get our hands on some!
The TS3 and even the TS1-IM are great clubs that are better looking than some of these and more forgiving.
@@waywardwest I play the TS2
Strong lofts
Just need to get used to the difference to your old irons
Thats a big difference and will usually change spin rates etc... Thanks for watching
You guys nailed it on this review. I tried a lot of those and the Cleveland XL blew me away in performance and incredible price point
Thank you Chad! We appreciate the support and the watch 🙏
My dad picked out the ai smoke for his new set yesterday. First new set in over a decade. He was hitting them super straight at the fitting. Very impressed!
Thats awesome! Love to hear it! 🙌🏼
It’s kinda hard N O T to say that you guys were biased while having a big sign and a hat on that says SRIXON
We eliminated the Srixon ZX4 first... I know they are the same mother company, but get out there and do this test yourself. Send us a link to your video review, we'll be very intrigued to see what you find. Thanks for watching Turkey
@@embersgolf it’s EVIL Turkey to you 😈
Plays blades and can't hit a game improvement irons.. seems legit
Thanks for watching
Video of the year. Glad to finally see more of the game improvements compared. Thanks for sharing and taking the time
Thanks for watching Jared👌
come on man lol you cant bash a brand on the tube?!
Sorry about that 😬
Faccckkk PING
Thanks for watching and for the support 👌
@@embersgolf 🫡
The only way is to try them all out in the course
Whose to say we haven't? 😏
You forgot the top one Dynapower !
Stay Tuned Steve, got something coming for you very soon!
Why don't you compare head sizes
We can add that to our future reviews 👍 Thanks for the tip
@@embersgolf why not do a Ben Hogan edge review
Titleist T350 Irons.
They are nice for sure!
Miura PI-401 are awesome
Yeah they are!
Go Cleveland! Great review! Thanks
Thanks Frans🙌🏼
No Titlist
Not in this category no. Thanks for watching 👍
Any chance i can know what is the brand of the green wand white polo?
Really love the content boyz!
Hey Mikael! Yeah it is a Bad Birdie Polo that trevor is wearing 👍 Thanks for the support 🙏