Fun fact, in .35 Remington if you lift your thumb off the gun and hold it softly the gun shoots fully auto due to trigger bump. This is caused by the barrel returning into battery causing your trigger finger to once again hit the trigger. Lots of fun. Love your program and hope to see you in Murphys someday.
I ended up buying two of these rifles in .35 and .32... in large part due to this video and the match you ran with a model 8. I gotta be careful watching your videos because I also grabbed a Mas 49/56. You're a good influence but bad for my bank account.
You are absolutely right, I ended up with an ishapore in 308 myself. Would have liked a Enfield in .303 but I didn't want to expand my ammo collection to another caliber!
I'd love to see the hand-drawn blueprints for all these old weapons. Just imagine the ingenuity back then with no drafting/modeling software in existence... all those painstaking calculations D:
Hey Ian, I have Great Grandmothers, (yes Gran-Gran's) Model-8 in .30 Remington and it still shoots like a dream. Hand-loaded with 150 grain Barnes-X gives 2511 fps at the muzzle and very mild recoil like you mentioned. I will never trade off this rifle, it will be pasted down with the proviso that it stay in the family...
It's funny how morons blame illegals rather than the rich executive fatcat parasites who crave their cheap labor and inability to report dangerous work conditions. Congrats on being a useful idiot for those who profit massively on others' barely-compensated labor.
@@kane357lynch nobody's ignoring the borders. you think these rich executives don't pay thousands for these illegals to be able to cross the border untroubled? fool
@@God-mb8wi Any company or corporation that employs illegal aliens should be fined heavily and any illegal alien caught inside our borders should be quickly deported.
This rifle, privately purchased by Frank Hamer, was his favorite. He used this on March 22, 1921, in the MANOS ARRIBA shoot-out on the Mexican border near El Paso. The story from the movie is substantially correct, but there were six smugglers killed that night. Hamer and Elmer McClure did most of the shooting. When the smoke had cleared, and the bodied were checked, Hamer said to a young agent, "Now holler 'Manos arriba' at those sons of bitches and see how many of them shoot you." Epic Life of Frank Hamer, John Boessenecker, pp 226-7, copyright 2016.
Supposedly the story goes like this (This comes from C. J. Chivers' The Gun), when Kalashnikov sent his recently designed AK-46 it used a small selector lever. Changes were made, such as changing the safety and the trigger mechanism. The design bureau led by Major Vladimir S. Deikin had probably seen an example of the Model 8 and applied that safety.
Always thought these were interesting, and wanted one in 35 Rem. Did not know the 81's were made in 300 Savage. What a great semiauto hunting rifle that must be. Best ballistics of the 5 cartridges. As always, a great video. Thank you
It's interesting that around the turn of the century the structure of guns became almost feats of engineering showmanship and then towards the later part of the century, they started making them as simple as possible. As any engineer worth his salt will tell you - the best solution to a problem is the simplest one
It's sometimes easier to make something that's complicated at first and then pare it down to the essentials, the Blish lock on the early Thompsons come to mind.
666Vertigo The blish lock didn't make the Thompson any easier to design. It was an attempt to prove a theory, one that turned out to be incorrect, but thankfully unnecessary for the function of the Thompson.
imbored742 You're right, it was a bad example but the quickest that came to mind. Basically, something may be complicated because it seemed necessary to function, and then as you make it and test it, you find some components can be taken out. In other words, unless it's readily obvious, make one part that does one function; as you understand the mechanism better, you can make single parts complete multiple functions.
Well done Ian! I use to have a Model 11 Rem 20 ga and I agree, it was not an easy gun to take apart like say a mauser rifle. It took time and patience, but definitely gave that gun a lot of respect and man was it sweet to go blasting clay pigeons and dove hunting.
My dad had this rifle in 25 Remington with the buckhorn sight on the barrel. He told me he shot an elk with it, 25 is a bit light for an elk. However he was a pretty good shot. He had a 30 Remington when he worked in Afghanistan. I have the photo of the wild boar he shot, the hump on its back came up waist high. Based on his aversion to shooting a 30-06 I can't imagine that the recoil is horrible as some have claimed. I have necked 30 caliber brass to 25 caliber and reloaded for him but I never shot it. Such is life.
Thanks Ian - great video. I have a near pristine Model 8 (c. 1911) in 35. I've shot and cleaned it a few times, but have never had the guts to disassemble it to this level. Much thanks for passing along the knowledge. Remington Model 8 - a great rifle.
A very close friend of the family that we kids always call Uncle had one of those rifles in .300 Savage that he always referred to as his 'crowbar'. He always carried it during the early deer hunting trips that I went on, but I never got a chance to fire it. Another gentleman in the hunting party carried an old Remington Model 14 slide-action chambered in .35 Remington. Old memories that had been tucked away for quite some time; thanks for the post.
RangerCaptain775 - yep, he had one with the 15 round mag fitted. Great choice for the time i'm sure. i would love to have one, with or without the extended mag
He did, but it was a standard one he owned privately, not one of the police models which had the extended magazine, since IIRC those were not produced yet. He later owned one of those however, which confuses people as to which one he used wat the ambush.
@@TheMadalucard I should check some photographs I have. A family photo album from my wife's side belong to a police photographer and include several photographs of that scene that I don't see on the internet. I've been trying to think of a respectful and tasteful way to put that information in front of the public for history purposes without feeding the general desire for gore.
I used to watch this kind of videos and just cut to the shooting, yeah!! But now, I just cant get enough of the disassemblies and functioning explanaitions. It's fascinating.
Thanks for putting up this video! Love the style of that stock. I've got one in .32 Remington that someone had installed a recoil pad on, not sure how much that affects it but the recoil never bothers me when I shoot it, and it is a joy to shoot. Has a very interesting feel to the way it kicks.
Been watching your recent 2018 videos and your whole show has improved in 4 years... good sound, vid quality and presentation.... Irish guy with no access to firearms........
Wow Ive seen a number of videos on the 8/81 but none of them ever mention the takedown, I was stunned when he said they are all takedown guns. I love forgotten Weapons you always learn something new
One of my best friends in High School had one of these in 35. What a mule!! worked like a dream but only for as long as you could put up with the recoil. I think it was more due to the crescent butt plate. Thanks for a trip down memory lane lol.
That's so fascinating. As you were disassembling it I was just thinking right before you'd say it- Wow, that's an AK safety, and that's an AK trigger, and an AR-15 buffer tube! Oh my god and the bolt has a FAL TAIL! JMB was a god damn profit.
Once again, a very nice video about a lovely old rifle. I almost bought one of those at the local mom and pop gun shop a couple of years ago. You seem to be a person with a lot of attention to detail. Perhaps you want to inquire about a acquiring a set of gun smithing screw drivers. They don’t cost much and are less likely to damage or round up screws on old guns like this. You run a very unique channel. Keep up the good videos coming. 👍
Great video, nice to see how this works. I just inherited one of these from my Dad that my grandfather bought in the 1920s. I’m going to have it checked out before I head to the range since it hasn’t been fired in many years.
John Moses Browning was the Albert Einstein of firearms, second to no one! Thank you Ian for the history lessons of firearms. I sincerely hope some day to shake your hand and buy you the beverage of choice, coffee or anything else.
I can see this as an ancestor of the Remington Model 11-48 shotgun, which I used to shoot in skeet competitions. A lot of the little pieces and how they fit together are familiar.
I like rewatching old episodes. While I greatly appreciate the higher production values of the newer episodes, I like the theme. Bring back the intro theme!😂
the way you load one is stand the round up with rim going into the mag. push it in then push the front of the round down and BAM! its in. you are doing it the hard way my friend,,,,,,,,,,,
As the mechanical engineer and weapons cleaning maniac I proudly am, I can't help watching in awe all of that cool old school engineering... Without my hands itching due to all of that crud covering it:)
Crazy how many Browning solutions and inventions are still being used in gun manufacturing. Man was, in my opinion, the greatest gunsmith/designer of all time.
This video really peaked my interest in the Model 8. So much so that I went down a purchased one in fairly good condition at my local gun store. I got it home and was very pleased to discover that a previous owner had squirreled away a Lyman Tang sight in the buttstock and even more surprised to find it had been made in the first few months of production, serial number is below 390.
Most suspenseful Forgotten Weapons video ever!!! Screwdriver slips once... twice... three times... Ian fearlessly continues disassembly. I thought we were gonna have to rename the video, “how to bugger a 100 year old rifle with a 100 year old screwdriver”. For the love of all things JMB, throw those screwdrivers you found in grandmas junk- drawer right in the trash can!!!
This is a beautiful classic rifle. Thanks very much for demonstrating it. Very interesting. I think a couple of Model 8's were used by law enforcement officers in the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde.
It's kind of amazing to think this rifle and it's cartridges were produced in 1906, 33 years before the beginning of World War 2. The intermediate power rimless cartridges Remington produced (which were designed to compete with Winchester lever gun cartridges) in a semi auto rifle all could be seen as predecessors of Assault Rifle cartridges that would arrive decades later. The .32 Remington was a slightly more powerful analogue to the 7.92 Kurtz used in the Stg44. The .25 Remington developed the same energy as the 5.56 Nato although in a somewhat larger caliber, and would be considered in the same class. The .30 Remington was a slightly more powerful version of the 7.62x39.
Dad started my hunting with, of course the .22LR to get me into guns, then graduated to the 25-20 which dad had in a savage bolt gun, no more recoil then the .22 and a quiet little round which dad used to get us some table meat when times were tough and the dollar was short as it usually was for us on the old home place. Sadly dad sold the 25-20 when it was outlawed by the State as a deer gun, and bought an old British 303 for deer, the WW1 version still in it's British Army oil finish that sweated oil when it was brought out on hot days for target shooting. Back then it was hard to get ammo for the rifle so dad had some hand loaded by a gunsmith in a nearby town. I would dearly love to find one of those in .25 caliber, my favorite caliber for taking White Tail, Mule deer and pronghorn was the .25-06, I had 3 of them over my hunting days, the first a commercial Mauser, then a Churchill which was a fantastic shooter till the sear wore out and she gave me a ND, thankfully the rifle was pointed in a safe direction when she want bang against my order. I had the sear reshaped and got rid of that one, replacing it with a Remington Alaskan stainless with a nice stainless scope.
I came back to re-watch because I got another one today, at least. Now I'm jealous of how easily that takedown bolt turns. Mine feels like it was torque on by a NASCAR pit crew.
"It's pretty neat, you get a really nice tactile feel from this rifle... you can actually feel the mass of everything coming back then cycling forward." Man, you're rare with comedy but that's a great moment!
I have really enjoyed your series. Thanks for all the hard work. Also....the Burgess shotgun blew me away. I had never even heard of it before. Again,thanks
Being a clean gun freak, I just wanted to make that uggie, oily, messy gun sparkle. Very interesting function but far too complicated for the big game hunter who would not have a gunsmith round the corner. The military application doesn't bear thinking about. But one has to admit, Mr Browning, you WERE a genius.
That is so cool, I saw one for sale a few months back in .35, but they wanted way to much for it for the condition it was in. If I ever see one in shooter condition I am going to try and get it.
A friend of mine down home in South Carolina owns and hunts deer with one and has had great success with it over the last fifty years or so. He also owns one in .35 Remington and has been equally successful hunting deer, hogs and black bear with it.
i love these old long recoil guns including the browning auto 5 shotguns which use the same system. its about the only autoloader i know that could actually empty a mag full of blackpower shells from an auto loader. simple and reliable and as small and slim as a levergun
L.L. Bean had one in .25 Remington for use as his deer gun. I had one in .35 Remington. I also had some stripper clips but I didn't find them easy to use at all, although they otherwise make handling the rounds a little neater.
I picked up two of these in 2004-2005. The first was a ,25 Rem and the 2nd in .35 Rem manufactured in 1910 & 1912 respectively. Both are in excellent shape for their age. Between 2009 and 2015 the .25 took down 4 deer and the .35 took one. I really don't recommend the 117 grain .25 Rem as a deer rifle cartridge. All 4 deer were taken with solid hits to the lungs and all four traveled 50 to 100 yards before laying down. The one with the 200 grain .35 Rem was down within 30 ft.
In my opinion your gun videos are among the very best in quality and amount of detailed information presented. I especially appreciate your knowledge and breakdown of the mechanical functioning of the guns. The only thing about your videos that irks me is that sometimes you go to the range and don't include footage of the gun being fired.
Yes but why would you need to? The Auto 5 shotgun functioned in a pretty harsh conditions duck hunting for many many years. I know guys that never took them apart for many seasons and they just kept working.
Ian said "not many successful weapons used the long recoil action". Ok, let's forget about the A5, that model 8 and the BMG....all Browning designs, all successfully designed, manufactured and marketed. How many of these 3 Browning Long Recoil designs are still working???
I would like to suggest a decent set of hollow ground screwdrivers, since you disassemble many of the guns you review. i do enjoy your videos. but those screwdrivers you were using scare me being used around those beautiful old guns.
He's *very* rough in handling the firearm here. Dragging the receiver on the hard tabletop, the very careless use of the screwdriver, the way he dragged the barrel takedown lever against the barrel when unscrewing it, etc. Glad this wasn't my rifle he was manhandling.
This video is several years old and still great. I would love one of these. I know were never issued but i wonder if any Privately owned ones made thier way to the battlefield? ( kinda doubt it since ammo supply would have been a problem)
John Moses Browning. All Hail John Moses Browning. I wonder what modern firearms would look like today if he had been a barber instead of the gunsmithing pioneer he was. Great video as always Ian, many thanks
It was trippy how slow the cases flew out of the ejection port. Most modern days guns you can't even see the cases, but these ones I feel like you could catch them mid flight.
That's one of the cool things about these old guns. The cases (which you'll definitely want to keep and reload) basically just roll out at your feet where they are easily found. Compare that to having to chase case from a modern auto in the next county!
I could be wrong but this might have been the first gas-operated / self loading rifle with a rotating bolt, a major staple of almost every modern battle rifle from the AR to the AK. Browning’s design was so ahead of its time that it would take three decades for a more modern rifle to appear in the form of the M1 Garand.
Have one of these in .35 Rem ., still take it to the woods at least once a year ,,Def not a safe queen .. Really liked the honest breakdown of the assemblies for cleaning , etc .... Nice video .... What's next ?? 😊
I'm pretty sure that when Dice decided to do World War I, they just came to Forgotten Weapons channel and watched everything WW1 related.
atomicdeath10 his name is actually in the credits lol
Wait, seriously? I must investigate this...
atomicdeath10 yep, it's in the special thanks section
And put everything that wasn't really used in the game, leaving out what was actually used until more recently.
be quiet shhhhh watch,yes battlefield 1 ok watch, shut the fuck up.
"Nice tactile feel" he says as hot shells bounce off his head haha.
Craig Kubicki lol that was funny
Ian is a comedian. To see him really cut it up, watch him in "In Range TV". Carl and he really seem to have fun together.
Oh, it gets better. When you shoot one of these, be sure and keep your mouth closed...that hot brass can also hit your right in the mouth!
We lefties are used to guns saying hello that way.
This comment on is as underrated as Ian's subtle comedy.
sure appreciate the simplicity of the ar/ak platforms right now.
...its like painting with ross but with more fire power.
"And we've got a happy little bolt assembly right here...."
Now we shoot the devil out of it
Fun fact, in .35 Remington if you lift your thumb off the gun and hold it softly the gun shoots fully auto due to trigger bump. This is caused by the barrel returning into battery causing your trigger finger to once again hit the trigger. Lots of fun. Love your program and hope to see you in Murphys someday.
Its like with old motorbikes, they not the best, but there is just something cool about it.
I ended up buying two of these rifles in .35 and .32... in large part due to this video and the match you ran with a model 8.
I gotta be careful watching your videos because I also grabbed a Mas 49/56.
You're a good influence but bad for my bank account.
+Targetpopper I want one of those Ishapore .410 Lee Enfields I know that will cost quite a bit.
+Targetpopper Now all you have to do is join the cool kids and get a Winchester self-loader :)
*****
Yeah I need to get one. I think I like the Model 8 more but then again I've only handled the Winchesters and never had the chance to shoot one.
You are absolutely right, I ended up with an ishapore in 308 myself. Would have liked a Enfield in .303 but I didn't want to expand my ammo collection to another caliber!
I'd love to see the hand-drawn blueprints for all these old weapons. Just imagine the ingenuity back then with no drafting/modeling software in existence... all those painstaking calculations D:
Love the profile pic
Cory Hale For two years, I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass
+Phil Latio lol, Christopher Walken
Four years late, but regardless:
patents.google.com/patent/US659786
And it seems like there were far more gun designers back then too
Hey Ian, I have Great Grandmothers, (yes Gran-Gran's) Model-8 in .30 Remington and it still shoots like a dream. Hand-loaded with 150 grain Barnes-X gives 2511 fps at the muzzle and very mild recoil like you mentioned. I will never trade off this rifle, it will be pasted down with the proviso that it stay in the family...
When I joined the U.S. Border Patrol in 1972, this Remington rifle in .35 caliber was still the agency rifle.
oldeafcoot damn really?
It's funny how morons blame illegals rather than the rich executive fatcat parasites who crave their cheap labor and inability to report dangerous work conditions. Congrats on being a useful idiot for those who profit massively on others' barely-compensated labor.
@@madeleineollerton5993 nigga you gay
@@kane357lynch nobody's ignoring the borders. you think these rich executives don't pay thousands for these illegals to be able to cross the border untroubled? fool
@@God-mb8wi Any company or corporation that employs illegal aliens should be fined heavily and any illegal alien caught inside our borders should be quickly deported.
This rifle, privately purchased by Frank Hamer, was his favorite. He used this on March 22, 1921, in the MANOS ARRIBA shoot-out on the Mexican border near El Paso. The story from the movie is substantially correct, but there were six smugglers killed that night. Hamer and Elmer McClure did most of the shooting. When the smoke had cleared, and the bodied were checked, Hamer said to a young agent, "Now holler 'Manos arriba' at those sons of bitches and see how many of them shoot you." Epic Life of Frank Hamer, John Boessenecker, pp 226-7, copyright 2016.
I can't blame you for wanting to put more rounds down range. JMB, one of the most influential men in firearm history.
Supposedly the story goes like this (This comes from C. J. Chivers' The Gun), when Kalashnikov sent his recently designed AK-46 it used a small selector lever. Changes were made, such as changing the safety and the trigger mechanism. The design bureau led by Major Vladimir S. Deikin had probably seen an example of the Model 8 and applied that safety.
Always thought these were interesting, and wanted one in 35 Rem. Did not know the 81's were made in 300 Savage. What a great semiauto hunting rifle that must be. Best ballistics of the 5 cartridges. As always, a great video. Thank you
It's interesting that around the turn of the century the structure of guns became almost feats of engineering showmanship and then towards the later part of the century, they started making them as simple as possible. As any engineer worth his salt will tell you - the best solution to a problem is the simplest one
It's sometimes easier to make something that's complicated at first and then pare it down to the essentials, the Blish lock on the early Thompsons come to mind.
666Vertigo The blish lock didn't make the Thompson any easier to design. It was an attempt to prove a theory, one that turned out to be incorrect, but thankfully unnecessary for the function of the Thompson.
yeah, but compare something like this to the workings of a mach 10 / 11 for example. You're amazed the thing can actually fire lol
imbored742 You're right, it was a bad example but the quickest that came to mind. Basically, something may be complicated because it seemed necessary to function, and then as you make it and test it, you find some components can be taken out. In other words, unless it's readily obvious, make one part that does one function; as you understand the mechanism better, you can make single parts complete multiple functions.
"Allow us to introduce ourselves. "- AN-94 and dozens of Russian prototypes
left handed shooters know the gun has ejected by the soft thunk of the brass upon their head. rem should have marketed that....lol
***** I thought he was joking about that when he first mentions the "tactile feedback" xD
Well done Ian! I use to have a Model 11 Rem 20 ga and I agree, it was not an easy gun to take apart like say a mauser rifle. It took time and patience, but definitely gave that gun a lot of respect and man was it sweet to go blasting clay pigeons and dove hunting.
My dad had this rifle in 25 Remington with the buckhorn sight on the barrel. He told me he shot an elk with it, 25 is a bit light for an elk. However he was a pretty good shot. He had a 30 Remington when he worked in Afghanistan. I have the photo of the wild boar he shot, the hump on its back came up waist high. Based on his aversion to shooting a 30-06 I can't imagine that the recoil is horrible as some have claimed. I have necked 30 caliber brass to 25 caliber and reloaded for him but I never shot it. Such is life.
Lotta charm to that rifle. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Ian - great video. I have a near pristine Model 8 (c. 1911) in 35.
I've shot and cleaned it a few times, but have never had the guts to disassemble it to this level. Much thanks for passing along the knowledge. Remington Model 8 - a great rifle.
👍👍 Thank you for showing us the intricacies of this self loading rifle. You always bring the best thank you brother
Just picked me up a nice Remington Model 8 today in 35 Remington. Glad to finally add one to my collection
A very close friend of the family that we kids always call Uncle had one of those rifles in .300 Savage that he always referred to as his 'crowbar'. He always carried it during the early deer hunting trips that I went on, but I never got a chance to fire it. Another gentleman in the hunting party carried an old Remington Model 14 slide-action chambered in .35 Remington. Old memories that had been tucked away for quite some time; thanks for the post.
if im not mistaken Frank Hamer used a model 8 to kill Bonnie and Clyde
RangerCaptain775 - yep, he had one with the 15 round mag fitted. Great choice for the time i'm sure. i would love to have one, with or without the extended mag
wow that's correct
He did, but it was a standard one he owned privately, not one of the police models which had the extended magazine, since IIRC those were not produced yet. He later owned one of those however, which confuses people as to which one he used wat the ambush.
@@TheMadalucard I should check some photographs I have. A family photo album from my wife's side belong to a police photographer and include several photographs of that scene that I don't see on the internet. I've been trying to think of a respectful and tasteful way to put that information in front of the public for history purposes without feeding the general desire for gore.
If I'm not mistaken, my dad used a model 8 to impregnate my mom. According to my psychiatrist, this explains my explosive psychosis.
I used to watch this kind of videos and just cut to the shooting, yeah!!
But now, I just cant get enough of the disassemblies and functioning explanaitions. It's fascinating.
Thanks for putting up this video!
Love the style of that stock.
I've got one in .32 Remington that someone had installed a recoil pad on, not sure how much that affects it but the recoil never bothers me when I shoot it, and it is a joy to shoot. Has a very interesting feel to the way it kicks.
I love the detail and explanation in everything
I love these and have nearly bought one several times in .35 Rem. My small local gun store seems to always have one for sale at about 650$.
Been watching your recent 2018 videos and your whole show has improved in 4 years... good sound, vid quality and presentation.... Irish guy with no access to firearms........
I can't decide which channel is the more splendid- yours or Capandball's. Congratulations and THANK YOU!
Wow Ive seen a number of videos on the 8/81 but none of them ever mention the takedown, I was stunned when he said they are all takedown guns.
I love forgotten Weapons you always learn something new
i went to high school with Jim Green...he really is a great guy and is as real person as it gets...that is a beautiful weapon
One of my best friends in High School had one of these in 35. What a mule!! worked like a dream but only for as long as you could put up with the recoil. I think it was more due to the crescent butt plate. Thanks for a trip down memory lane lol.
That's so fascinating. As you were disassembling it I was just thinking right before you'd say it- Wow, that's an AK safety, and that's an AK trigger, and an AR-15 buffer tube! Oh my god and the bolt has a FAL TAIL! JMB was a god damn profit.
Once again, a very nice video about a lovely old rifle. I almost bought one of those at the local mom and pop gun shop a couple of years ago. You seem to be a person with a lot of attention to detail. Perhaps you want to inquire about a acquiring a set of gun smithing screw drivers. They don’t cost much and are less likely to damage or round up screws on old guns like this.
You run a very unique channel. Keep up the good videos coming. 👍
Great video, nice to see how this works. I just inherited one of these from my Dad that my grandfather bought in the 1920s. I’m going to have it checked out before I head to the range since it hasn’t been fired in many years.
John Moses Browning was the Albert Einstein of firearms, second to no one!
Thank you Ian for the history lessons of firearms.
I sincerely hope some day to shake your hand and buy you the beverage of choice, coffee or anything else.
I can see this as an ancestor of the Remington Model 11-48 shotgun, which I used to shoot in skeet competitions. A lot of the little pieces and how they fit together are familiar.
I like rewatching old episodes. While I greatly appreciate the higher production values of the newer episodes, I like the theme. Bring back the intro theme!😂
Your engineering prowess is phenomenal
the way you load one is stand the round up with rim going into the mag. push it in then push the front of the round down and BAM! its in. you are doing it the hard way my friend,,,,,,,,,,,
This is in my opinion one of the most beautiful self loading rifles ever put into mass production.
As the mechanical engineer and weapons cleaning maniac I proudly am, I can't help watching in awe all of that cool old school engineering... Without my hands itching due to all of that crud covering it:)
LOL I like your point of view:)
Crazy how many Browning solutions and inventions are still being used in gun manufacturing. Man was, in my opinion, the greatest gunsmith/designer of all time.
Since I had learned about these rifles, I always thought they were pretty neat. Thanks for sharing the take down and function with us.
This video really peaked my interest in the Model 8. So much so that I went down a purchased one in fairly good condition at my local gun store. I got it home and was very pleased to discover that a previous owner had squirreled away a Lyman Tang sight in the buttstock and even more surprised to find it had been made in the first few months of production, serial number is below 390.
Most suspenseful Forgotten Weapons video ever!!! Screwdriver slips once... twice... three times... Ian fearlessly continues disassembly. I thought we were gonna have to rename the video, “how to bugger a 100 year old rifle with a 100 year old screwdriver”. For the love of all things JMB, throw those screwdrivers you found in grandmas junk- drawer right in the trash can!!!
Inlove the way it ejects the shells..real slow and an epic bolt travel time
And I thought Eugene Stoner used whiz bangs and gizmos in his designs...still can't top John Moses Browning.
I have wanted one of these for so long
Nothing makes me happier then tuning in to youtube and seeing that you put out a 17 minute video
This is a beautiful classic rifle. Thanks very much for demonstrating it. Very interesting. I think a couple of Model 8's were used by law enforcement officers in the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde.
It's kind of amazing to think this rifle and it's cartridges were produced in 1906, 33 years before the beginning of World War 2. The intermediate power rimless cartridges Remington produced (which were designed to compete with Winchester lever gun cartridges) in a semi auto rifle all could be seen as predecessors of Assault Rifle cartridges that would arrive decades later.
The .32 Remington was a slightly more powerful analogue to the 7.92 Kurtz used in the Stg44. The .25 Remington developed the same energy as the 5.56 Nato although in a somewhat larger caliber, and would be considered in the same class. The .30 Remington was a slightly more powerful version of the 7.62x39.
Thanks for the video Ian. Your channel is the best to watch.
Interesting gun thanks for making and sharing this with us. Cheers.
Dad started my hunting with, of course the .22LR to get me into guns, then graduated to the 25-20 which dad had in a savage bolt gun, no more recoil then the .22 and a quiet little round which dad used to get us some table meat when times were tough and the dollar was short as it usually was for us on the old home place. Sadly dad sold the 25-20 when it was outlawed by the State as a deer gun, and bought an old British 303 for deer, the WW1 version still in it's British Army oil finish that sweated oil when it was brought out on hot days for target shooting. Back then it was hard to get ammo for the rifle so dad had some hand loaded by a gunsmith in a nearby town. I would dearly love to find one of those in .25 caliber, my favorite caliber for taking White Tail, Mule deer and pronghorn was the .25-06, I had 3 of them over my hunting days, the first a commercial Mauser, then a Churchill which was a fantastic shooter till the sear wore out and she gave me a ND, thankfully the rifle was pointed in a safe direction when she want bang against my order. I had the sear reshaped and got rid of that one, replacing it with a Remington Alaskan stainless with a nice stainless scope.
WOAH, IAN IS SHOOTING RIGHT HANDED!
Really interesting video as usual.Great to see the old designs holding their own today.
This is making me yearn almost tearfully for the Model 8 I had to sell some years ago.
I came back to re-watch because I got another one today, at least. Now I'm jealous of how easily that takedown bolt turns. Mine feels like it was torque on by a NASCAR pit crew.
"It's pretty neat, you get a really nice tactile feel from this rifle... you can actually feel the mass of everything coming back then cycling forward."
Man, you're rare with comedy but that's a great moment!
It's an absolutely marvelous piece of engineering.
I have really enjoyed your series. Thanks for all the hard work. Also....the Burgess shotgun blew me away. I had never even heard of it before. Again,thanks
Its surprising he did not try to simplify the rife some and try to get a military contract for it.
That is just a great piece of history,great video
Being a clean gun freak, I just wanted to make that uggie, oily, messy gun sparkle. Very interesting function but far too complicated for the big game hunter who would not have a gunsmith round the corner. The military application doesn't bear thinking about. But one has to admit, Mr Browning, you WERE a genius.
Excellent video as always.
I really dig the new intro. Great video, I adore Remington Model 8's for some reason.
the humpback on this resembles the Auto-5 so much. What a great rifle
That is so cool, I saw one for sale a few months back in .35, but they wanted way to much for it for the condition it was in. If I ever see one in shooter condition I am going to try and get it.
Best rifle I've shot to date. My grandpa's 35.rem John Browning was a genius.
Wow, that punch has seen some use!
A friend of mine down home in South Carolina owns and hunts deer with one and has had great success with it over the last fifty years or so. He also owns one in .35 Remington and has been equally successful hunting deer, hogs and black bear with it.
i love these old long recoil guns including the browning auto 5 shotguns which use the same system. its about the only autoloader i know that could actually empty a mag full of blackpower shells from an auto loader. simple and reliable and as small and slim as a levergun
Great slow motion clip of the bolt cycling.
L.L. Bean had one in .25 Remington for use as his deer gun. I had one in .35 Remington. I also had some stripper clips but I didn't find them easy to use at all, although they otherwise make handling the rounds a little neater.
I picked up two of these in 2004-2005. The first was a ,25 Rem and the 2nd in .35 Rem manufactured in 1910 & 1912 respectively. Both are in excellent shape for their age. Between 2009 and 2015 the .25 took down 4 deer and the .35 took one. I really don't recommend the 117 grain .25 Rem as a deer rifle cartridge. All 4 deer were taken with solid hits to the lungs and all four traveled 50 to 100 yards before laying down. The one with the 200 grain .35 Rem was down within 30 ft.
This definitely looks like an "...And I've got an extra piece left. Crap." gun.
I like how the spent casing taps you on the head to let you know there was no extraction failure.
Holy tedious, Batman! Very awesome piece of history!
In my opinion your gun videos are among the very best in quality and amount of detailed information presented. I especially appreciate your knowledge and breakdown of the mechanical functioning of the guns. The only thing about your videos that irks me is that sometimes you go to the range and don't include footage of the gun being fired.
nodresiak My apologies you did fire the gun at the end. Now this video is perfect.
This would be an absolute nightmare to disassemble in the field.
Yes but why would you need to? The Auto 5 shotgun functioned in a pretty harsh conditions duck hunting for many many years. I know guys that never took them apart for many seasons and they just kept working.
Nice profile picture.
This is the kind of gun you clean at the end of each season...then store gently, ready for the next
Watched your 'Ed' Browning designed WW2 rifle videos yesterday. Today, I see the bolt handle affixed on this much earlier rifle in the same fashion!
That is some beautiful machining.
John Moses Browning, Blessed be his name...
The US Army used model 8's in .25 Remington to experiment with tactics using semiauto rifles
Ian said "not many successful weapons used the long recoil action".
Ok, let's forget about the A5, that model 8 and the BMG....all Browning designs, all successfully designed, manufactured and marketed. How many of these 3 Browning Long Recoil designs are still working???
I would like to suggest a decent set of hollow ground screwdrivers, since you disassemble many of the guns you review. i do enjoy your videos. but those screwdrivers you were using scare me being used around those beautiful old guns.
I know this is old, but everytime it slipped I cringed. ‘Doh that’s a scratch!’
i thought the same thing
invest in some good screwdrivers man
He's *very* rough in handling the firearm here. Dragging the receiver on the hard tabletop, the very careless use of the screwdriver, the way he dragged the barrel takedown lever against the barrel when unscrewing it, etc. Glad this wasn't my rifle he was manhandling.
This video is several years old and still great. I would love one of these. I know were never issued but i wonder if any Privately owned ones made thier way to the battlefield? ( kinda doubt it since ammo supply would have been a problem)
Maybe some did make it to the battlefield after all.
It's a long video but worth watching th-cam.com/video/hisyNvnaoio/w-d-xo.html
John Moses Browning.
All Hail John Moses Browning.
I wonder what modern firearms would look like today if he had been a barber instead of the gunsmithing pioneer he was.
Great video as always Ian, many thanks
My favorite advertisement of a rifle is this rifle always had a guy on a narrow path being confronted by a bear.
One of my old favorites
Saw one of these in the local Cabela's in .30 for $699. gorgeous old rifle.
Picking up mine tomorrow in 35. And it has the Lyman sight!
i got to say, the low speed the action moves at is pretty fucking neat!
This is one of the coolest rifles ever
It was trippy how slow the cases flew out of the ejection port. Most modern days guns you can't even see the cases, but these ones I feel like you could catch them mid flight.
That's one of the cool things about these old guns. The cases (which you'll definitely want to keep and reload) basically just roll out at your feet where they are easily found. Compare that to having to chase case from a modern auto in the next county!
Very informative video. Thanks for posting.
Kind of reminds me of a shotgun Awfully clever design if you ask me. Thanks for showing the cleverness of this design😊
I could be wrong but this might have been the first gas-operated / self loading rifle with a rotating bolt, a major staple of almost every modern battle rifle from the AR to the AK.
Browning’s design was so ahead of its time that it would take three decades for a more modern rifle to appear in the form of the M1 Garand.
Have one of these in .35 Rem ., still take it to the woods at least once a year ,,Def not a safe queen .. Really liked the honest breakdown of the assemblies for cleaning , etc .... Nice video .... What's next ?? 😊